Question for Arthur Sackman.

[Lionel]

Is it your family ?

Sackman / Tsechmeister and Pakler and Kiviat and Levine
Ancestors, Descendants, and Family of Jeffry David Sackman
Louis Sackman arrived as Tsechmeister from Belarussia Romania, but
changed his name to Sackman in the Army, and married Grandma Lena
Levine, from Poland.
Grandpa Isadore Kiviat escaped from political exile from Bialystok
Russia, to marry Grandma Mary Pakler, from Grodno (Poland).

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 12:35, Lionel > wrote:
> Is it your family ?
>
> Sackman / Tsechmeister and Pakler and Kiviat and Levine
> Ancestors, Descendants, and Family of Jeffry David Sackman
> Louis Sackman arrived as Tsechmeister from Belarussia Romania, but
> changed his name to Sackman in the Army, and married Grandma Lena
> Levine, from Poland.
> Grandpa Isadore Kiviat escaped from political exile from Bialystok
> Russia, to marry Grandma Mary Pakler, from Grodno (Poland).

no

try Zakman from the Ukraine

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 25, 4:18 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 25 Oct, 12:35, Lionel > wrote:
>
> > Is it your family ?
>
> > Sackman / Tsechmeister and Pakler and Kiviat and Levine
> > Ancestors, Descendants, and Family of Jeffry David Sackman
> > Louis Sackman arrived as Tsechmeister from Belarussia Romania, but
> > changed his name to Sackman in the Army, and married Grandma Lena
> > Levine, from Poland.
> > Grandpa Isadore Kiviat escaped from political exile from Bialystok
> > Russia, to marry Grandma Mary Pakler, from Grodno (Poland).
>
> no
>
> try Zakman from the Ukraine

Are you a "pinko"?

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > try Zakman from the Ukraine

> Are you a "pinko"?

Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
grasp of our language.

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 18:08, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:
> On Oct 25, 4:18 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 25 Oct, 12:35, Lionel > wrote:
>
> > > Is it your family ?
>
> > > Sackman / Tsechmeister and Pakler and Kiviat and Levine
> > > Ancestors, Descendants, and Family of Jeffry David Sackman
> > > Louis Sackman arrived as Tsechmeister from Belarussia Romania, but
> > > changed his name to Sackman in the Army, and married Grandma Lena
> > > Levine, from Poland.
> > > Grandpa Isadore Kiviat escaped from political exile from Bialystok
> > > Russia, to marry Grandma Mary Pakler, from Grodno (Poland).
>
> > no
>
> > try Zakman from the Ukraine
>
> Are you a "pinko"?

my grandparents were
my father was merely a socialist.
i used to be a liberal
my family has evolved!!!!!

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 18:18, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > try Zakman from the Ukraine
> > Are you a "pinko"?
>
> Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> grasp of our language.

and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
the libs!!!!!

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> > grasp of our language.

> and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> the libs!!!!!

Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
conservatives just like you.

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 19:38, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> > > grasp of our language.
> > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > the libs!!!!!
>
> Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> conservatives just like you.

no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
esteem trumps competency.
such as my l;iberal typing
teacher who paqssed me wen she never should have!!
but boy, do i feel good about myself.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> > > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> > > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> > > > grasp of our language.

> > > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > > the libs!!!!!

> > Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> > conservatives just like you.

> no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
> for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
> esteem trumps competency.

No, they're not "libs". They're mush-brained conservatives just like you.

> such as my l;iberal typing
> teacher who paqssed me wen she never should have!!
> but boy, do i feel good about myself.

I can't believe you admit you took a typing course.

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 19:55, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> > > > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> > > > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> > > > > grasp of our language.
> > > > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > > > the libs!!!!!
> > > Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> > > conservatives just like you.
> > no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
> > for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
> > esteem trumps competency.
>
> No, they're not "libs". They're mush-brained conservatives just like you.
>
> > such as my l;iberal typing
> > teacher who paqssed me wen she never should have!!
> > but boy, do i feel good about myself.
>
> I can't believe you admit you took a typing course.

i lied!!!

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > > but boy, do i feel good about myself.

> > I can't believe you admit you took a typing course.

> i lied!!!

Your moral compass is spinning wildly.

[Jenn]

In article om>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 25 Oct, 18:18, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> wrote:
> > Shhhh! said:
> >
> > > > try Zakman from the Ukraine
> > > Are you a "pinko"?
> >
> > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> > grasp of our language.
>
> and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> the libs!!!!!

Hogwash

[Jenn]

In article om>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 25 Oct, 19:38, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> wrote:
> > Clyde Slick said:
> >
> > > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> > > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> > > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> > > > grasp of our language.
> > > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > > the libs!!!!!
> >
> > Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> > conservatives just like you.
>
> no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
> for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
> esteem trumps competency.

Nonsense. Where did you hear this crapola?

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 21:08, Jenn > wrote:
> In article om>,
> Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 25 Oct, 18:18, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > wrote:
> > > Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > > try Zakman from the Ukraine
> > > > Are you a "pinko"?
>
> > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> > > grasp of our language.
>
> > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > the libs!!!!!
>
> Hogwash

aww, you hurt my self esteem

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 21:08, Jenn > wrote:
> In article om>,
> Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 25 Oct, 19:38, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > wrote:
> > > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> > > > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> > > > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> > > > > grasp of our language.
> > > > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > > > the libs!!!!!
>
> > > Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> > > conservatives just like you.
>
> > no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
> > for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
> > esteem trumps competency.
>
> Nonsense. Where did you hear this crapola?

>From liberal 'nurturers' protecting
the delicate psyches of the young.

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 25 Oct, 21:08, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article om>,
> > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 25 Oct, 19:38, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Clyde Slick said:
> >
> > > > > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a
> > > > > > dork
> > > > > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a
> > > > > > terrible
> > > > > > grasp of our language.
> > > > > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > > > > the libs!!!!!
> >
> > > > Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> > > > conservatives just like you.
> >
> > > no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
> > > for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
> > > esteem trumps competency.
> >
> > Nonsense. Where did you hear this crapola?
>
> >From liberal 'nurturers' protecting
> the delicate psyches of the young.

Yeah, right. Specifics?

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 21:51, Jenn > wrote:
> In article . com>,
> Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 25 Oct, 21:08, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article om>,
> > > Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On 25 Oct, 19:38, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a
> > > > > > > dork
> > > > > > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a
> > > > > > > terrible
> > > > > > > grasp of our language.
> > > > > > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > > > > > the libs!!!!!
>
> > > > > Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> > > > > conservatives just like you.
>
> > > > no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
> > > > for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
> > > > esteem trumps competency.
>
> > > Nonsense. Where did you hear this crapola?
>
> > >From liberal 'nurturers' protecting
> > the delicate psyches of the young.
>
> Yeah, right. Specifics?

this was a policy prevalent in the 80's and 90's
it was widely discussed back then, it became controversial
the professionals in the education establishment
were, and are, very strongly tilted to the liberaql bent.
the idea behind it was to not
damage the self esteem of children.
this has been widely known as a 'liberal' position,

where do You want to go now?
you want to argue thaqt the libs were for Vietnam and the cons wantd
withdrawaql?

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> this was a policy prevalent in the 80's and 90's
> it was widely discussed back then, it became controversial
> the professionals in the education establishment
> were, and are, very strongly tilted to the liberaql bent.
> the idea behind it was to not
> damage the self esteem of children.
> this has been widely known as a 'liberal' position,

No, you have it backwards, dummkopf. This mush-brained nonsense is the
product of conservatives, specifically the Tard Branch of your "movement".
You know who they are -- the ones who elected Ronnie Rayguns and then
celebrated the damage he and his cohort did to our great country.

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 25 Oct, 21:51, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 25 Oct, 21:08, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article om>,
> > > > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On 25 Oct, 19:38, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Clyde Slick said:
> >
> > > > > > > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism
> > > > > > > > than it
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no
> > > > > > > > way a
> > > > > > > > dork
> > > > > > > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a
> > > > > > > > terrible
> > > > > > > > grasp of our language.
> > > > > > > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > > > > > > the libs!!!!!
> >
> > > > > > Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> > > > > > conservatives just like you.
> >
> > > > > no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
> > > > > for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
> > > > > esteem trumps competency.
> >
> > > > Nonsense. Where did you hear this crapola?
> >
> > > >From liberal 'nurturers' protecting
> > > the delicate psyches of the young.
> >
> > Yeah, right. Specifics?
>
> this was a policy prevalent in the 80's and 90's

Yes it was, and still largely is.

> it was widely discussed back then, it became controversial
> the professionals in the education establishment
> were, and are, very strongly tilted to the liberaql bent.

Depends on what you mean by the "establishment". K-12? Higher ed?
Faculty? Administrators? Boards?

> the idea behind it was to not
> damage the self esteem of children.
> this has been widely known as a 'liberal' position,

Incorrect. The reasons are money and gutless administrators bowing to
parental pressure.

Can you produce ONE document supporting your belief? A policy? A
position paper? A statement from an administrator?

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Oct, 22:18, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > this was a policy prevalent in the 80's and 90's
> > it was widely discussed back then, it became controversial
> > the professionals in the education establishment
> > were, and are, very strongly tilted to the liberaql bent.
> > the idea behind it was to not
> > damage the self esteem of children.
> > this has been widely known as a 'liberal' position,
>
> No, you have it backwards, dummkopf. This mush-brained nonsense is the
> product of conservatives, specifically the Tard Branch of your "movement".
> You know who they are -- the ones who elected Ronnie Rayguns and then
> celebrated the damage he and his cohort did to our great country.

I was a moderate lib back then, i didn't follow the con movement.
never voted for reagan
i voted both times for guys with big ears.
at any rate, he shares a lt of credit fpr
winning the cold war, which did us a lot of good.

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> On 25 Oct, 12:35, Lionel > wrote:
>> Is it your family ?
>>
>> Sackman / Tsechmeister and Pakler and Kiviat and Levine
>> Ancestors, Descendants, and Family of Jeffry David Sackman
>> Louis Sackman arrived as Tsechmeister from Belarussia Romania, but
>> changed his name to Sackman in the Army, and married Grandma Lena
>> Levine, from Poland.
>> Grandpa Isadore Kiviat escaped from political exile from Bialystok
>> Russia, to marry Grandma Mary Pakler, from Grodno (Poland).
>
> no
>
> try Zakman from the Ukraine

I'm not inclined to believe you on this one.
Convergence of 3 or 4 differents elements doesn't play in favor of your
answer.

[Lionel]

George M. Middius a écrit :
>
> Shhhh! said:
>
>>> try Zakman from the Ukraine
>
>> Are you a "pinko"?
>
> Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
> now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
> like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
> grasp of our language.

Zzzzzz....

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> On 25 Oct, 18:08, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> > wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 4:18 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>>
>>> On 25 Oct, 12:35, Lionel > wrote:
>>>> Is it your family ?
>>>> Sackman / Tsechmeister and Pakler and Kiviat and Levine
>>>> Ancestors, Descendants, and Family of Jeffry David Sackman
>>>> Louis Sackman arrived as Tsechmeister from Belarussia Romania, but
>>>> changed his name to Sackman in the Army, and married Grandma Lena
>>>> Levine, from Poland.
>>>> Grandpa Isadore Kiviat escaped from political exile from Bialystok
>>>> Russia, to marry Grandma Mary Pakler, from Grodno (Poland).
>>> no
>>> try Zakman from the Ukraine
>> Are you a "pinko"?
>
> my grandparents were
> my father was merely a socialist.
> i used to be a liberal
> my family has evolved!!!!!

Translation : I don't want to share the fruits of my ancesters fight. :-(

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> On 25 Oct, 18:18, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> wrote:
>> Shhhh! said:
>>
>>>> try Zakman from the Ukraine
>>> Are you a "pinko"?
>> Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism than it has
>> now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no way a dork
>> like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a terrible
>> grasp of our language.
>
> and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> the libs!!!!!

LOL !

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 25, 9:40 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:

> at any rate, he [i.e. reagan] shares a lt of credit fpr
> winning the cold war, which did us a lot of good.

That's the neocon take. My sister studied in Leningrad (as it was
named then) for several months in the late 1970s. She came back and
announced the Soviet Union was well on the road to collapse from
internal pressures.

The Soviet Union would have eventually collapsed all on its own
without Reagan. Reagan *may* have sped it up by a couple of year, but
that was not worth the massive military spending.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Oct 25, 9:38 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article . com>,
> Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 25 Oct, 21:51, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article . com>,
> > > Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On 25 Oct, 21:08, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > In article om>,
> > > > > Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 25 Oct, 19:38, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > > > > > Now that you mention it, the USA needs a lot more socialism
> > > > > > > > > than it
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > now. If we had a proper nanny state overseeing education, no
> > > > > > > > > way a
> > > > > > > > > dork
> > > > > > > > > like Scottie would have escaped elementary school with such a
> > > > > > > > > terrible
> > > > > > > > > grasp of our language.
> > > > > > > > and just who believes in 'social promotion'?
> > > > > > > > the libs!!!!!
>
> > > > > > > Those individuals aren't "libs", Simpy. They're mush-brained
> > > > > > > conservatives just like you.
>
> > > > > > no, you are wrong, it was the libs, it is a 'self-estem' issue
> > > > > > for the non-learning kids, thi libs think that positive self
> > > > > > esteem trumps competency.
>
> > > > > Nonsense. Where did you hear this crapola?
>
> > > > >From liberal 'nurturers' protecting
> > > > the delicate psyches of the young.
>
> > > Yeah, right. Specifics?
>
> > this was a policy prevalent in the 80's and 90's
>
> Yes it was, and still largely is.
>
> > it was widely discussed back then, it became controversial
> > the professionals in the education establishment
> > were, and are, very strongly tilted to the liberaql bent.
>
> Depends on what you mean by the "establishment". K-12? Higher ed?
> Faculty? Administrators? Boards?
>
> > the idea behind it was to not
> > damage the self esteem of children.
> > this has been widely known as a 'liberal' position,
>
> Incorrect. The reasons are money and gutless administrators bowing to
> parental pressure.
>
> Can you produce ONE document supporting your belief? A policy? A
> position paper? A statement from an administrator?

Jenn, will you PUHLEEZE not argue the policies or positions of the
Liburral educational system. Rush has beaten this topic to death for
over 10 years. He has proven, without the possibility of being
incorrect, that a Liburral education helps insure the demise of the
US, right alongside gay marriage.

I can see right through your smokescreen. You think that you can
deflect attention from your weak position by simply asking for proof.
Do you think that the Liburrals would be so stupid as to leave a paper
trail leading to the conspiracy? Do you think the unions would allow
that? Do you think Rush could be wrong?

Really, now. It's very clear to me that you are a Liburral tree-
hugging Code Pink environmental whacko Rainbow Coalition anti-free
speech socialist. And you must be blind. Why don't you clean up your
own act first?

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Oct, 14:01, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:
> On Oct 25, 9:40 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > at any rate, he [i.e. reagan] shares a lt of credit fpr
> > winning the cold war, which did us a lot of good.
>
> That's the neocon take. My sister studied in Leningrad (as it was
> named then) for several months in the late 1970s. She came back and
> announced the Soviet Union was well on the road to collapse from
> internal pressures.
>
> The Soviet Union would have eventually collapsed all on its own
> without Reagan. Reagan *may* have sped it up by a couple of year, but
> that was not worth the massive military spending.

5 factors

A) Reagan
B) Walesa
C) Pope John Paul II
D) Communosm just does not work very well, it flies on the face of
human nature
and, the one more important than the others, though they
are all important,
E) the advent of the PC, the USSR could neither allow it,
nor compete against it. It couldn't handle it
as China later did, it waqs a much more closed society

i have russian friends who were there, they all say
it woulld not have collapsed without the outside influences.

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Oct, 21:29, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
> > D) Communosm just does not work very well, it flies on the face of human
> > nature
>
> China seems to have found a sweet spot with a pseudo capitalist economy and a
> communist gov't.
>
> ScottW

the gov is not communist, just a one party dictatorship.
it might as well be a right wing dictatorship, little difference.
the economic system is not communist, it is hybrid of socialism and
capitalism,
i guess you are saying this too.

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Oct, 21:53, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 26 Oct, 21:29, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
> >> > D) Communosm just does not work very well, it flies on the face of human
> >> > nature
>
> >> China seems to have found a sweet spot with a pseudo capitalist economy and a
> >> communist gov't.
>
> >> ScottW
>
> > the gov is not communist, just a one party dictatorship.
> > it might as well be a right wing dictatorship, little difference.
> > the economic system is not communist, it is hybrid of socialism and
> > capitalism,
> > i guess you are saying this too.
>
> Anyway...I'm not sure democracy is capable of doing what it
> takes, either economically or socially in this competitive environment.

Hugo Chavez, or Vladimir Putin, just what we need!!!

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Oct, 22:07, "ScottW" > wrote:

>
> On it's way...in a skirt.
>

or "at least" a pants suit.
it will be interesting.
i think she has a bit of Nixon in her personality and ways.
can she keep it together, or will the
tightly wound and and fiercely controlled conspiracies
unravel?

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> On 26 Oct, 14:01, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> > wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 9:40 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>>
>>> at any rate, he [i.e. reagan] shares a lt of credit fpr
>>> winning the cold war, which did us a lot of good.
>> That's the neocon take. My sister studied in Leningrad (as it was
>> named then) for several months in the late 1970s. She came back and
>> announced the Soviet Union was well on the road to collapse from
>> internal pressures.
>>
>> The Soviet Union would have eventually collapsed all on its own
>> without Reagan. Reagan *may* have sped it up by a couple of year, but
>> that was not worth the massive military spending.
>
> 5 factors
>
> A) Reagan
> B) Walesa
> C) Pope John Paul II

Your ability to write supid things has no limit Sackman.
USSR was ill since the begining of the sixties and dying since the
begining of the seventies.
You should read a littel bit more rather than remake the history at the
Sackman's saulce. for example :
Chritopher Davis & Murray Feshbach : Rising infant mortality in the USSR
in the 1970s.


> D) Communosm just does not work very well, it flies on the face of
> human nature
> and, the one more important than the others, though they
> are all important,
> E) the advent of the PC, the USSR could neither allow it,
> nor compete against it. It couldn't handle it
> as China later did, it waqs a much more closed society
>
> i have russian friends who were there, they all say
> it woulld not have collapsed without the outside influences.

Normal, if it's a friend of you... ;-)

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> On 26 Oct, 14:01, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> > wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 9:40 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>>
>>> at any rate, he [i.e. reagan] shares a lt of credit fpr
>>> winning the cold war, which did us a lot of good.
>> That's the neocon take. My sister studied in Leningrad (as it was
>> named then) for several months in the late 1970s. She came back and
>> announced the Soviet Union was well on the road to collapse from
>> internal pressures.
>>
>> The Soviet Union would have eventually collapsed all on its own
>> without Reagan. Reagan *may* have sped it up by a couple of year, but
>> that was not worth the massive military spending.
>
> 5 factors
>
> A) Reagan
> B) Walesa
> C) Pope John Paul II

Your ability to write stupidities has no limit Sackman. Moreover it
doesn't improve with the age.
USSR economical system was ill since the begining of the sixties and
dying since the begining of the seventies.
You should read a little bit more rather than remake the history at the
Sackman's saulce. For example :
Chritopher Davis & Murray Feshbach : Rising infant mortality in the USSR
in the 1970s.

Walesa, Pope... and all their fellow in other socialist republics have
had an influence on the control of the collapse saying that they are at
its origin is a nonsense that only a dunce like you can do.

Reagan was a jerk.


> D) Communosm just does not work very well, it flies on the face of
> human nature
> and, the one more important than the others, though they
> are all important,

LOL !

> E) the advent of the PC, the USSR could neither allow it,
> nor compete against it. It couldn't handle it
> as China later did, it waqs a much more closed society

Re-LOL !

> i have russian friends who were there, they all say
> it woulld not have collapsed without the outside influences.

Normal, if it's a friend of you...
....Do you know that Arnold Krueger has a friend who pretends that DBT is
the only legitimate solution to compare the quality of two audio
systems. :-)

[George M. Middius]

Lionella gibbered:

> Your ability to write stupidities has no limit Sackman. Moreover it
> doesn't improve with the age.
> You should read a little bit more rather than remake the history at the
> Sackman's saulce.

<snicker>

[Arny Krueger]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...

> ...Do you know that Arnold Krueger has a friend who pretends that DBT is
> the only legitimate solution to compare the quality of two audio systems.

...when the differences are subtle.

a friend?

LOL!

An AES full of them!

Many in other professional and consumer organizations as well.

[Lionel]

George Minus Middius a écrit :
>
> Lionella gibbered:
>
>> Your ability to write stupidities has no limit Sackman. Moreover it
>> doesn't improve with the age.
>> You should read a little bit more rather than remake the history at the
>> Sackman's saulce.
>
> <snicker>

George is flying to the rescue of is devoted friend.

A <snicker> is more prudent than entering in a discussion that you are
unable to handle. I your case, George, prudence touch to cowardice and
it doesn't improve with the age. :-)

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 Oct, 11:20, Lionel > wrote:
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>
>
>
> > On 26 Oct, 14:01, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> > > wrote:
> >> On Oct 25, 9:40 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> >>> at any rate, he [i.e. reagan] shares a lt of credit fpr
> >>> winning the cold war, which did us a lot of good.
> >> That's the neocon take. My sister studied in Leningrad (as it was
> >> named then) for several months in the late 1970s. She came back and
> >> announced the Soviet Union was well on the road to collapse from
> >> internal pressures.
>
> >> The Soviet Union would have eventually collapsed all on its own
> >> without Reagan. Reagan *may* have sped it up by a couple of year, but
> >> that was not worth the massive military spending.
>
> > 5 factors
>
> > A) Reagan
> > B) Walesa
> > C) Pope John Paul II
>
> Your ability to write stupidities has no limit Sackman. Moreover it
> doesn't improve with the age.
> USSR economical system was ill since the begining of the sixties and
> dying since the begining of the seventies.

actually, it was ill the day it was born

> You should read a little bit more rather than remake the history at the
> Sackman's saulce. For example :
> Chritopher Davis & Murray Feshbach : Rising infant mortality in the USSR
> in the 1970s.
>
> Walesa, Pope... and all their fellow in other socialist republics have
> had an influence on the control of the collapse saying that they are at
> its origin is a nonsense that only a dunce like you can do.
>
> Reagan was a jerk.
>

wasn't Carter that pushed it over the edge!

[George M. Middius]

Sluttie is on the rag.

> >> You should read a little bit more rather than remake the history at the
> >> Sackman's saulce.

> > <snicker>

> George is flying to the rescue of is[sic] devoted friend.

Clyde is not that, Froggie. Not by any means. He has some good points, one
of which is his crystalline disdain for toi.

> A <snicker> is more prudent than entering in a discussion that you are
> unable to handle.

You just provoked the Krooborg into claiming the entire membership of the
AES endorses "DBTs" for home audio systems. Well done, Chatterella! ;-)

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 Oct, 10:56, Lionel > wrote:
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>
>


>
> > i have russian friends who were there, they all say
> > it woulld not have collapsed without the outside influences.
>
> Normal, if it's a friend of you... ;-)

"at least" I have "at least" one friend.

[Lionel]

Arny Krueger a écrit :

> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> ...Do you know that Arnold Krueger has a friend who pretends that DBT is
>> the only legitimate solution to compare the quality of two audio systems.
>
> ..when the differences are subtle.
>
> a friend?
>
> LOL!
>
> An AES full of them!
>
> Many in other professional and consumer organizations as well.

Since Sackman has only one friend that nobody knows... :-(

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 Oct, 11:34, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:


>
..
>
> a friend?
>
> LOL!
>
> An AES full of them!
>
> Many in other professional and consumer organizations as well.

but only a truly 'good' friend will clean up your turds.

[Lionel]

George M. Middius a écrit :
>
> Sluttie is on the rag.
>
>>>> You should read a little bit more rather than remake the history at the
>>>> Sackman's saulce.
>
>>> <snicker>
>
>> George is flying to the rescue of is[sic] devoted friend.
>
> Clyde is not that, Froggie. Not by any means. He has some good points, one
> of which is his crystalline disdain for toi.

The enemies of my enemies... are my friends. Adolf was saying the same
thing to Benito and have the same deep disdain that you feel for Sackman.

>> A <snicker> is more prudent than entering in a discussion that you are
>> unable to handle.
>
> You just provoked the Krooborg into claiming the entire membership of the
> AES endorses "DBTs" for home audio systems. Well done, Chatterella! ;-)

LOL ! I wouldn't hope nor imagine that you could avowe your own
disability so easily.

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> On 27 Oct, 10:56, Lionel > wrote:
>> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>
>
>
>>> i have russian friends who were there, they all say
>>> it woulld not have collapsed without the outside influences.
>> Normal, if it's a friend of you... ;-)
>
> "at least" I have "at least" one friend.

Two with George !
You are too burlesque in your endless remake of "Baywatch".

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :

> actually, it was ill the day it was born

True, just like you. ;-)

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 Oct, 12:00, Lionel > wrote:

> The enemies of my enemies... are my friends. Adolf was saying the same
> thing to Benito and have the same deep disdain that you feel for Sackman.
>


the only friends you have, if any, are the enemies of your enemy sort