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Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 22nd 07, 04:26 AM

....gotten any new converts today, or is 2pid still the only one?

Clyde Slick

October 22nd 07, 04:37 AM

On 21 Oct, 23:26, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:
> ...gotten any new converts today, or is 2pid still the only one?

Scott is no Nazi. Don't let your hatreds get in the way of
clear thinking.

Even Lionel will not be converted to Bratzi.

George M. Middius

October 22nd 07, 04:42 AM

Clyde Slick said:

> > ...gotten any new converts today, or is 2pid still the only one?

> Scott is no Nazi. Don't let your hatreds get in the way of
> clear thinking.

Maybe he meant converts to the Ultrastupidity Cult. Oh, wait, then he
would have addressed the question to Witless.

> Even Lionel will not be converted to Bratzi.

Never mind.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 22nd 07, 05:05 AM

On Oct 21, 10:42 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > ...gotten any new converts today, or is 2pid still the only one?
> > Scott is no Nazi. Don't let your hatreds get in the way of
> > clear thinking.
>
> Maybe he meant converts to the Ultrastupidity Cult. Oh, wait, then he
> would have addressed the question to Witless.

So what came first: the chicken or the egg?

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 22nd 07, 07:14 AM

On Oct 21, 10:37 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 21 Oct, 23:26, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
>
> > wrote:
> > ...gotten any new converts today, or is 2pid still the only one?
>
> Scott is no Nazi. Don't let your hatreds get in the way of
> clear thinking.

Clyde, the things that 2pid has in common with Bratzi are:

1. Tons of inappropriate OT posts.

2. General density in the cranial regions.

> Even Lionel will not be converted to Bratzi.

That's good. We don't need any more dumb OT posters. Two is plenty.

Clyde Slick

October 22nd 07, 12:13 PM

On 22 Oct, 02:14, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 10:37 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>

>
> Clyde, the things that 2pid has in common with Bratzi are:
>
> 1. Tons of inappropriate OT posts.
>

1. if that is what you meant, then Bratzi would be Scott's convert. I
think
Scott was doing this before Bratzi.

2. So what? this group would be dead without them.

3. Its obviously a far greater transgression than being a Nazi, lol!

4. You keep it alive by playing along.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 22nd 07, 09:04 PM

On Oct 22, 6:13 am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 02:14, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
>
> > wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 10:37 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > Clyde, the things that 2pid has in common with Bratzi are:
>
> > 1. Tons of inappropriate OT posts.
>
> 1. if that is what you meant, then Bratzi would be Scott's convert. I
> think Scott was doing this before Bratzi.

Then 2pid should apologize to Bratzi for leading him astray, and to
the group. Between the two of them, they are sometimes responsible for
a couple of dozen OT posts in a day.

Bratzi and 2pid have other things in common too, Clyde. They both seem
about equally interested in 'discussing' the 'points' they bring up.
They both seem about equal in ability to process information. Bratzi
is far superior to 2pid in language ability, though.

> 2. So what? this group would be dead without them.

Hm. So what? Would you rather have a live group constantly spreading
Nazi propaganda (Bratzi) and intolerance, muddled 'thought' and other
general stupidity (2pid), or would there perhaps be other places for
that?

It's funny: you and 2pid are very much concerned about "keeping RAO
alive" when you two are probably the only personally-acquainted
regulars here. You two could take it to email, or even roll over and
whisper in 2pid's ear next time you're there.

Keeping a group alive which may have outlived its usefulness or
purpose seems an odd proposition, especially considering that 2pid
always gets his ass handed to him during his OT 'discussions.' Perhaps
we should rename RAO to "rec.2pid's.masochism" or
"rec.white.supremacy".

> 3. Its obviously a far greater transgression than being a Nazi, lol!

Do you mean the group being "dead"? Or do you mean 2pid and Bratzi
being entirely devoid of intelligence and humor?

> 4. You keep it alive by playing along.

That's true. I enjoy handing 2pid his ass. It's way too much fun.

So is 2pid like that in real life? I mean, if you're going somewhere
and looking at a road map and tell 2pid to turn right, does he argue
that his 'opinion' and 'belief' are that you should turn left? LOL!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 05:50 AM

On Oct 22, 7:19 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> > On Oct 22, 6:13 am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >> On 22 Oct, 02:14, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

> >> > 1. Tons of inappropriate OT posts.
>
> >> 1. if that is what you meant, then Bratzi would be Scott's convert. I
> >> think Scott was doing this before Bratzi.
>
> > Then 2pid should apologize to Bratzi for leading him astray,
>
> Maybe I should apologize to you for leading you astray.
> But you were already lost when you started to follow me so
> I can't take all the credit.

I find warped 'logic' interesting.

I wonder what a study would show of who starts more threads here. My
guess is Bratzi is number one, 2pid is number two (no puns intended).
>From a study like this, we could see who is actually responsible for
the condition of this newsgroup.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 06:18 AM

On Oct 22, 11:59 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 7:19 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> >> > On Oct 22, 6:13 am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >> >> On 22 Oct, 02:14, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
>
> >> >> > 1. Tons of inappropriate OT posts.
>
> >> >> 1. if that is what you meant, then Bratzi would be Scott's convert. I
> >> >> think Scott was doing this before Bratzi.
>
> >> > Then 2pid should apologize to Bratzi for leading him astray,
>
> >> Maybe I should apologize to you for leading you astray.
> >> But you were already lost when you started to follow me so
> >> I can't take all the credit.
>
> > I find warped 'logic' interesting.
>
> I think it's pretty boring.
>
>
>
> > I wonder what a study would show of who starts more threads here. My
> > guess is Bratzi is number one, 2pid is number two (no puns intended).
> >>From a study like this, we could see who is actually responsible for
> > the condition of this newsgroup.
>
> and the study shows...you're part in this is....zero.
> You don't contribute much in any way at all.

Why, 2pid, we just had a 'discussion.' You know, where we 'save' RAO.
Apparently you did not understand much of it, but I tried. I'm going
back to shorthand now to save bandwidth. LOL!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 08:42 AM

On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion to
> off topic ridicule?

That's a false question. It implies that the OT discussion is just
naturally there, and that the ridicule is the problem, when one
clearly follows the other. The question should be, "Who wishes that OT
deluges would go away?"

Anyway, by coming up with this idea, you imply you'd go along with the
outcome. Bratzi, are you in?

So let's poll everybody. Who wishes OT deluges would go away?

> I do I do.

I figured as much. I admire your honesty.

That's one "Yes". I'll add mine.

2-0 for "Yes"

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 02:01 PM

Shhhh! said:

> 2pid is number two

Arnii won't like that.

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 04:22 PM

Yapper tunes up his "brain".

> >> 2pid is number two

> > Arnii won't like that.

> It's in large part your doing.

Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it, as
usual.

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 05:35 PM

Scottie acknowledges being a stupid, moronic, idiotic imbecile.

> >> >> 2pid is number two

> >> > Arnii won't like that.

> >> It's in large part your doing.

> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it, as
> > usual.

> Let's

Witlessmongrel always changes the subject rather than admit he was caught
being stupid.

> create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> history of ridicule.

Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who points
it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
obtuseness.

Clyde Slick

October 23rd 07, 07:28 PM

On 23 Oct, 12:43, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in messagenews:8i8sh3dl47st46q09kp7e2qrohco2hsld6@4ax .com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Scottie acknowledges being a stupid, moronic, idiotic imbecile.
>
> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it, as
> >> > usual.
>
> >> Let's
>
> > Witlessmongrel always changes the subject rather than admit he was caught
> > being stupid.
>
> >> create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> history of ridicule.
>
> > Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who points
> > it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
> > obtuseness.
>
> Look who's really avoiding the subject.
> Scorched group is all that's left behind from your ****tiness.
> Ssssshhheads silly assertion that OT begets ridicule
> shows he is no student of RAO history.
>
> ScottW

make no mistake about it
Arny ruined this group

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 07:42 PM

Clyde Slick said:

> > > Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who points
> > > it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
> > > obtuseness.

> > Look who's really avoiding the subject.

> make no mistake about it
> Arny ruined this group

I think Scottie is going Wiccan. All that worshipfulness toward Phoebe must
have turned him into a pagan.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 09:41 PM

On Oct 23, 11:13 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in messagenews:1d4sh31k85tndg13d2ch47ne44obollitf@4ax .com...
>
>
>
> > Yapper tunes up his "brain".
>
> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it, as
> > usual.
>
> Let's create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> history of ridicule.
>
> I'll start....I'll go with Phoebe.
> Your turn...what's it gonna be...mommyf'er perhaps?
> How about Paula?
>
> This could be quite a list. But you have time and little
> else to do. The landscape is devoid of targets for you.

So 2pid, why haven't you left? I call you 2pid. George calls you
"Terrierborg". That is apparently enough to drive "knowledgable audio
types" away. Yet you and good old Arns stick around. Bravery? LOL!

So we can conclude a couple of things: you and Arns are far braver
than the types who know something about audio, or you and Arns do not
know about audio, or these people left for other reasons. I looked up
this JJ a few weeks ago. Do you know what I found? There is more
evidence that JJ became frustrated with good old Arns than your
*opinion* that JJ left because he was called "Phoebe" by George.

You tell people to ignore the "ridiculers". Were the others so dumb
that they couldn't?

JJ seemed smarter than most of the audio people I've seen here. It
looks to me like he left RAO about the time he left ATT and went
somewhere else. Oh, and I couldn't find an example of him starting a
single OT thread. Can you?

If you want to say things about audio without ridicule, try RAH-E. But
it doesn't appear that they allow OT jihads, so I can see why you
don't.

LOL!

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 09:47 PM

MiNe 109 said:

> > JJ...gone by Middius....

> I disagree with this one.

Did you notice that Scottie is trying to use "gone" as a transitive
verb? That's either an indictment of the California school system or a
confirmation of Scottie's presumed mental defects.

> Left out Bamborough and the other Paul B.

Wasn't that F for Frindle?

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 09:48 PM

Shhhh! said:

> There is more
> evidence that JJ became frustrated with good old Arns than your
> *opinion* that JJ left because he was called "Phoebe" by George.

On top of which, Phoebe was jj's own nickname for himself.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 09:56 PM

On Oct 23, 2:16 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 23 Oct, 12:43, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:8i8sh3dl47st46q09kp7e2qrohco2hsld6@4ax .com...
>
> >> > Scottie acknowledges being a stupid, moronic, idiotic imbecile.
>
> >> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it,
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > usual.
>
> >> >> Let's
>
> >> > Witlessmongrel always changes the subject rather than admit he was caught
> >> > being stupid.
>
> >> >> create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> >> history of ridicule.
>
> >> > Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who points
> >> > it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
> >> > obtuseness.
>
> >> Look who's really avoiding the subject.
> >> Scorched group is all that's left behind from your ****tiness.
> >> Ssssshhheads silly assertion that OT begets ridicule
> >> shows he is no student of RAO history.
>
> >> ScottW
>
> > make no mistake about it
> > Arny ruined this group
>
> BS...Arny is a regular on many groups that
> aren't ruined like RAO....

Have you looked at most of the responses to good old Arns on the
recording groups, for example?

You're clearly no student of the Usenet. LOL!

> Sure he played a part....but middiot slashed and
> burned so many that didn't give a crap about Arny.

What are you whining about?

> Trots was an Arny hater...gone away by Middius.

Trots was a fool, from what I've seen.

> Paul Wagner...gone by Middius.
> JJ...gone by Middius....

Find the post where anyone says, "I cannot take the ridicule! I'm
gone!"

I'll be waiting.

> The list goes on and on....

Except brave OT you...

> The number of newbs who blew out after one
> middiot encounter might be triple digits.

And again, they may not. Nice 'conclusion'.

> Hell..the pickings are so slim even Middiots proxies
> are gone.... Tom in col...Marge..etc.
>
> About the only knowledgeable audio guy I know who
> couldn't stand Arny to the point of leaving was Zelniker.
> I don't think his dislike of Arny had any influence on his
> presence or lack of, he had way too much spine for that
> to influence him.

> He had no real interest in trifling audio hobbyist crap.
> With no JJ or other scientists..there is nothing
> here of interest to him or others like him

Oh, so this is "rec.audio.scientific.opinion". My bad. Are any of them
currently on RAH-E? There's no ridicule there, 2pid.

2pid, if you look at the landscape, the current condition of RAO is on
you and Bratzi. Quit whining about the past and get with the program.
Even if George did "destroy" RAO at some point in the distant past
(LOL!), why are you so intent on keeping it that way?

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 09:59 PM

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 10:32 PM

On Oct 23, 10:08 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion to
> >> off topic ridicule?
>
> > That's a false question. It implies that the OT discussion is just
> > naturally there, and that the ridicule is the problem,
>
> Lol...you're such a rookie.
>
> Go back a few years when we had knowledgeable people
> who discussed audio...guys like JJ who
> were relentlessly branded as Phoebe the telco witch
> and tell me again that ridicule follows the OT.

If an audio post is ridiculed, it's actually on-topic, 2pid. Here's an
example:

*********************************************
> Anyone see any correlations between the characterizations of Mr. Holt
> and opinions posted on rao by the anti-objectivists in recent years?

Sure. The "anti-objectivists" want to advance sound quality.

Why "advance" sound quality when everything already sounds the same?
We've hit the wall: 16-bit CDs, QSC amps and wire from Home Depot.
Audio nirvana, no sound advancement required.

So what are you bitching about?
***********************************************

Do you see the dilemma the original poster created, 2pid? Electronics,
cables, and all sources (except for vinyl/turntables or tape, I
presume, which makes one a "bigot", as we've seen...) are "solved",
yet it is the "anti-objectivists" who are responsible for halting
audio progress, where progress is apparently not needed. What's left
to progress? So I poked fun at the original poster for being too dim
to see the unsolvable dillemma he had created.

Speakers are objectively tested at the factory. There has been
discussion here on blind-testing at Harman, for example. So what ill
have "anti-objectivists" created in the world of audio?

> Never mind...devotion to the middiot won't allow a fair
> assessment from you.

I use logic, 2pid. If you want to 'discuss' something, how about where
the flaw in my logic is?

> > when one
> > clearly follows the other. The question should be, "Who wishes that OT
> > deluges would go away?"
>
> > Anyway, by coming up with this idea, you imply you'd go along with the
> > outcome. Bratzi, are you in?
>
> > So let's poll everybody. Who wishes OT deluges would go away?
>
> >> I do I do.
>
> > I figured as much. I admire your honesty.
>
> > That's one "Yes". I'll add mine.
>
> > 2-0 for "Yes"
>
> You can't even conduct an honest poll.

Honest polls have honest questions, 2pid. Your question was bull****.
You should be thanking me...

> You're the Hussein of pollsters.

You've created another dilemma for yourself, 2pid. Not surprisingly,
you are too stupid to see it. LOL!

Lionel

October 23rd 07, 10:39 PM

MiNe 109 a écrit :

>> Trots was an Arny hater...gone away by Middius.
>
> If you google up his last days, you'll see most of RAO was getting shots
> in.

I agree, a real punching bag !!!
His famous "Be brutally honest" remains one of my best souvenir on RAO.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 10:57 PM

On Oct 23, 4:40 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> > On Oct 23, 10:08 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> >> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion to
> >> >> off topic ridicule?
>
> >> > That's a false question. It implies that the OT discussion is just
> >> > naturally there, and that the ridicule is the problem,
>
> >> Lol...you're such a rookie.
>
> >> Go back a few years when we had knowledgeable people
> >> who discussed audio...guys like JJ who
> >> were relentlessly branded as Phoebe the telco witch
> >> and tell me again that ridicule follows the OT.
>
> > If an audio post is ridiculed, it's actually on-topic, 2pid. Here's an
> > example:
>
> > *********************************************
> >> Anyone see any correlations between the characterizations of Mr. Holt
> >> and opinions posted on rao by the anti-objectivists in recent years?
>
> > Sure. The "anti-objectivists" want to advance sound quality.
>
> > Why "advance" sound quality when everything already sounds the same?
> > We've hit the wall: 16-bit CDs, QSC amps and wire from Home Depot.
> > Audio nirvana, no sound advancement required.
>
> > So what are you bitching about?
>
> Talk about watering down and sweetening your ridicule
> to soda pop level.

This poster hasn't earned the type of response that you have, 2pid.
He'd have to post stupidity for months and months and months to even
begin to catch up with you and good old Arns.

> This is so pale as to be transparent.

Is it on-topic or not?

> > ***********************************************
>
> > Do you see the dilemma the original poster created, 2pid? Electronics,
> > cables, and all sources (except for vinyl/turntables or tape, I
> > presume, which makes one a "bigot", as we've seen...) are "solved",
> > yet it is the "anti-objectivists" who are responsible for halting
> > audio progress, where progress is apparently not needed. What's left
> > to progress? So I poked fun at the original poster for being too dim
> > to see the unsolvable dillemma he had created.
>
> > Speakers are objectively tested at the factory. There has been
> > discussion here on blind-testing at Harman, for example. So what ill
> > have "anti-objectivists" created in the world of audio?
>
> >> Never mind...devotion to the middiot won't allow a fair
> >> assessment from you.
>
> > I use logic, 2pid. If you want to 'discuss' something, how about where
> > the flaw in my logic is?
>
> Equating mild repartee to vileness is flawed logic.

Because I didn't call him "2pid"? LOL! OK, the original poster was too
****ing stupid to see the unsolvable dilemma he'd created. Vile enough
for you? How about I start calling him "Phoebe"? That would be like,
so totally vile. LOL!

> Maybe you truly can't see the difference.

That sounds to me like a subjective call, 2pid. What are the objective
requirements for "vile"?

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 10:58 PM

On Oct 23, 4:16 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in messagenews:2gnsh3drmu1i1lfp3tefn99q62re1vt8t3@4ax .com...
>
>
>
> > Shhhh! said:
>
> >> There is more
> >> evidence that JJ became frustrated with good old Arns than your
> >> *opinion* that JJ left because he was called "Phoebe" by George.
>
> > On top of which, Phoebe was jj's own nickname for himself.
>
> to which you appended "the telco witch". ...

OMG! George, is this vileness actually *true*?

> Just add you as author to a search and your pathetic history unfolds
> as disgracefully as a Nazi rally.

You lose.

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 10:59 PM

MiNe 109 said:

> > On top of which, Phoebe was jj's own nickname for himself.

> "Call me 'Phoebe'" or some such. His skin was thick enough to deal with
> anything he wanted to, and he didn't hold back.

Yep. Scottie has this image of Phoebe as some delicate hothouse flower,
peeking meekly over his spectacles to impart nuggets of "science".
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 11:10 PM

On Oct 23, 4:10 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in oglegroups.com...

> > On Oct 23, 11:13 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:1d4sh31k85tndg13d2ch47ne44obollitf@4ax .com...
>
> >> > Yapper tunes up his "brain".
>
> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it, as
> >> > usual.
>
> >> Let's create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> history of ridicule.
>
> >> I'll start....I'll go with Phoebe.
> >> Your turn...what's it gonna be...mommyf'er perhaps?
> >> How about Paula?
>
> >> This could be quite a list. But you have time and little
> >> else to do. The landscape is devoid of targets for you.
>
> > So 2pid, why haven't you left? I call you 2pid. George calls you
> > "Terrierborg".
>
> Maybe I should...there is little value here..

As I've said, I promise to miss you, 2pid.

> > That is apparently enough to drive "knowledgable audio
> > types" away.
>
> You're an idiot. This tripe of yours is nothing compared to the
> crap middiot has spewed over the years. He's grown old and
> is a shadow of former scummy self...but he has not
> reformed.

And yet you place me in the same bucket with George, and yet I am
"nothing compared to George... Make up your 'mind', imbecile.

> > Yet you and good old Arns stick around. Bravery? LOL!
>
> Does Arny qualify as a regular? He sticks around to get a rise
> out of those who will give him one.

So why has he stuck around to troll and nobody else has, they've all
driven away by George? LOL!

You're all weak. Very weak. LOL!

> > So we can conclude a couple of things: you and Arns are far braver
> > than the types who know something about audio, or you and Arns do not
> > know about audio, or these people left for other reasons. I looked up
> > this JJ a few weeks ago. Do you know what I found? There is more
> > evidence that JJ became frustrated with good old Arns than your
> > *opinion* that JJ left because he was called "Phoebe" by George.
>
> Both contributed. But as you say..Arny is insane so can't be held
> accountable for his actions.
> What's George's excuse? or yours?

Hm, let's see. What do I have to justify to 2pid... Hm. Nada.

Here's the deal, 2pid: you get to say whatever you want. So do I.
That's how free speech works.

> > You tell people to ignore the "ridiculers". Were the others so dumb
> > that they couldn't?
>
> You can't ignore me....what's your problem?

I've already told you: I have fun pointing out your stupidity. I know,
I know, I should find a more challenging person, but you're here and I
don't feel like looking for somebody even *more* stupid than you are.

> > JJ seemed smarter than most of the audio people I've seen here. It
> > looks to me like he left RAO about the time he left ATT
>
> Nope...quite a bit before actually.

Whatever. I see more vitriol directed by JJ at Arns than at George.

> > and went
> > somewhere else. Oh, and I couldn't find an example of him starting a
> > single OT thread. Can you?
>
> Do you consider this on topic?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/b00b4c3fe1b1e531
>
> Perhaps a condemnation of middius is an audio topic to you.....

It appears as though some claim was made concerning ethics. Since JJ
was an audio scientist, it is on-topic.

BTW, 2pid, did you look at the responses in that thread? It sure looks
like a group of Caspar Milquetoasts to me... driven off by name-
calling... can't handle it... LOL!

> > If you want to say things about audio without ridicule,
>
> your pathetic.....

My pathetic what?

Clyde Slick

October 23rd 07, 11:13 PM

On 23 Oct, 15:16, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 23 Oct, 12:43, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:8i8sh3dl47st46q09kp7e2qrohco2hsld6@4ax .com...
>
> >> > Scottie acknowledges being a stupid, moronic, idiotic imbecile.
>
> >> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it,
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > usual.
>
> >> >> Let's
>
> >> > Witlessmongrel always changes the subject rather than admit he was caught
> >> > being stupid.
>
> >> >> create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> >> history of ridicule.
>
> >> > Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who points
> >> > it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
> >> > obtuseness.
>
> >> Look who's really avoiding the subject.
> >> Scorched group is all that's left behind from your ****tiness.
> >> Ssssshhheads silly assertion that OT begets ridicule
> >> shows he is no student of RAO history.
>
> >> ScottW
>
> > make no mistake about it
> > Arny ruined this group
>
> BS...Arny is a regular on many groups that
> aren't ruined like RAO....
> Sure he played a part....but middiot slashed and
> burned so many that didn't give a crap about Arny.
>
> Trots was an Arny hater...gone away by Middius.
> Paul Wagner...gone by Middius.
> JJ...gone by Middius....
> The list goes on and on....
> The number of newbs who blew out after one
> middiot encounter might be triple digits.
>
> Hell..the pickings are so slim even Middiots proxies
> are gone.... Tom in col...Marge..etc.
>
> About the only knowledgeable audio guy I know who
> couldn't stand Arny to the point of leaving was Zelniker.
> I don't think his dislike of Arny had any influence on his
> presence or lack of, he had way too much spine for that
> to influence him.
> He had no real interest in trifling audio hobbyist crap.
> With no JJ or other scientists..there is nothing
> here of interest to him or others like him
>

Arny ruins it by interrupting discussions of
opinions and preferences.

you can't have a discussion without his usula

abx eruptions

Goofball_star_dot_etal

October 23rd 07, 11:17 PM

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:59:17 -0400, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george
@ comcast . net> wrote:

>
>
>MiNe 109 said:
>
>> > On top of which, Phoebe was jj's own nickname for himself.
>
>> "Call me 'Phoebe'" or some such. His skin was thick enough to deal with
>> anything he wanted to, and he didn't hold back.
>
>Yep. Scottie has this image of Phoebe as some delicate hothouse flower,
>peeking meekly over his spectacles to impart nuggets of "science".
>Nothing could be further from the truth.
>

Nasty piece of work and a spammer.

Just say no to the KKK..

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 23rd 07, 11:18 PM

On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 23, 2:16 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> >> > On 23 Oct, 12:43, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> >> messagenews:8i8sh3dl47st46q09kp7e2qrohco2hsld6@4ax .com...
>
> >> >> > Scottie acknowledges being a stupid, moronic, idiotic imbecile.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> >> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of
> >> >> >> > it,
> >> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> > usual.
>
> >> >> >> Let's
>
> >> >> > Witlessmongrel always changes the subject rather than admit he was
> >> >> > caught
> >> >> > being stupid.
>
> >> >> >> create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> >> >> history of ridicule.
>
> >> >> > Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who points
> >> >> > it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
> >> >> > obtuseness.
>
> >> >> Look who's really avoiding the subject.
> >> >> Scorched group is all that's left behind from your ****tiness.
> >> >> Ssssshhheads silly assertion that OT begets ridicule
> >> >> shows he is no student of RAO history.
>
> >> >> ScottW
>
> >> > make no mistake about it
> >> > Arny ruined this group
>
> >> BS...Arny is a regular on many groups that
> >> aren't ruined like RAO....
>
> > Have you looked at most of the responses to good old Arns on the
> > recording groups, for example?
>
> I'm not going to defend Arny...
> I just point out that his presence alone is not the touch
> of death to a group as you point out.
>
>
>
> > You're clearly no student of the Usenet. LOL!
>
> >> Sure he played a part....but middiot slashed and
> >> burned so many that didn't give a crap about Arny.
>
> > What are you whining about?
>
> I'm whining about only have you to chat with.
> It really, really sucks.

Then don't. Whine to all of your coworkers how Shhh! blew you off the
group, and how much you 'contributed' and so on... LOL!

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 11:24 PM

Shhhh! said:

> > > On top of which, Phoebe was jj's own nickname for himself.

> > to which you appended "the telco witch". ...

> OMG! George, is this vileness actually *true*?

Phoebe herself emailed me at one point to say she hated it but had to
admit it was funny.

N.B.: It was actually "Phoebe the Evil Telco Witch". I got mucho kudos
from the back rows of the Resistance for that nickname.

> > Just add you as author to a search and your pathetic history unfolds
> > as disgracefully as a Nazi rally.

> You lose.

Scottie seems to fear and resent me more than he does you. Jealous? ;-)

George M. Middius

October 23rd 07, 11:30 PM

Shhhh! said to duh-Scottie:

> > your pathetic.....

> My pathetic what?

Grammar book? Education? Desire to be understood? Fielder's choice.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 12:36 AM

On Oct 23, 11:43 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in messagenews:8i8sh3dl47st46q09kp7e2qrohco2hsld6@4ax .com...

> > Scottie acknowledges being a stupid, moronic, idiotic imbecile.
>
> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it, as
> >> > usual.
>
> >> Let's
>
> > Witlessmongrel always changes the subject rather than admit he was caught
> > being stupid.
>
> >> create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> history of ridicule.
>
> > Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who points
> > it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
> > obtuseness.
>
> Look who's really avoiding the subject.
> Scorched group is all that's left behind from your ****tiness.

"None of it is my fault It's all *your* fault! I am for personal
responsibility (except when it's about me!" --2pid, 2007

> Ssssshhheads silly assertion that OT begets ridicule
> shows he is no student of RAO history.

It shows that you are lying... again. Here is your question:

> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion to
> off topic ridicule?

Your moral relativism is showing... again. Is it hard to live with
such shaky 'integrity'?

Clyde Slick

October 24th 07, 03:24 AM

On 23 Oct, 18:20, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in messagenews:3jrsh3l8i1lpbml05u783pfbdrkp85kd6q@4ax .com...
>
>
>
> > MiNe 109 said:
>
> >> > On top of which, Phoebe was jj's own nickname for himself.
>
> >> "Call me 'Phoebe'" or some such. His skin was thick enough to deal with
> >> anything he wanted to, and he didn't hold back.
>
> > Yep. Scottie has this image of Phoebe as some delicate hothouse flower,
> > peeking meekly over his spectacles to impart nuggets of "science".
> > Nothing could be further from the truth.
>
> He endured for years before just leaving.
>

glad to see you have a much thicker skin than Phoebe the Telco witch.

Clyde Slick

October 24th 07, 03:25 AM

On 23 Oct, 18:28, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 23 Oct, 15:16, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> >> > On 23 Oct, 12:43, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> >> messagenews:8i8sh3dl47st46q09kp7e2qrohco2hsld6@4ax .com...
>
> >> >> > Scottie acknowledges being a stupid, moronic, idiotic imbecile.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> >> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of
> >> >> >> > it,
> >> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> > usual.
>
> >> >> >> Let's
>
> >> >> > Witlessmongrel always changes the subject rather than admit he was
> >> >> > caught
> >> >> > being stupid.
>
> >> >> >> create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> >> >> history of ridicule.
>
> >> >> > Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who points
> >> >> > it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
> >> >> > obtuseness.
>
> >> >> Look who's really avoiding the subject.
> >> >> Scorched group is all that's left behind from your ****tiness.
> >> >> Ssssshhheads silly assertion that OT begets ridicule
> >> >> shows he is no student of RAO history.
>
> >> >> ScottW
>
> >> > make no mistake about it
> >> > Arny ruined this group
>
> >> BS...Arny is a regular on many groups that
> >> aren't ruined like RAO....
> >> Sure he played a part....but middiot slashed and
> >> burned so many that didn't give a crap about Arny.
>
> >> Trots was an Arny hater...gone away by Middius.
> >> Paul Wagner...gone by Middius.
> >> JJ...gone by Middius....
> >> The list goes on and on....
> >> The number of newbs who blew out after one
> >> middiot encounter might be triple digits.
>
> >> Hell..the pickings are so slim even Middiots proxies
> >> are gone.... Tom in col...Marge..etc.
>
> >> About the only knowledgeable audio guy I know who
> >> couldn't stand Arny to the point of leaving was Zelniker.
> >> I don't think his dislike of Arny had any influence on his
> >> presence or lack of, he had way too much spine for that
> >> to influence him.
> >> He had no real interest in trifling audio hobbyist crap.
> >> With no JJ or other scientists..there is nothing
> >> here of interest to him or others like him
>
> > Arny ruins it by interrupting discussions of
> > opinions and preferences.
>
> > you can't have a discussion without his usula
>
> > abx eruptions
>
> Easily ignored. He was more distruptive to technical
> discussions with his arrogance and errors followed
> by ass covering debating trade but that didn't drive
> anyone off.

we even stayed through his false accusations that we sent him kiddie
porn!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 03:39 AM

On Oct 23, 5:06 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in

> > On Oct 23, 4:40 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> > On Oct 23, 10:08 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion to
> >> >> >> off topic ridicule?
>
> >> >> > That's a false question. It implies that the OT discussion is just
> >> >> > naturally there, and that the ridicule is the problem,
>
> >> >> Lol...you're such a rookie.
>
> >> >> Go back a few years when we had knowledgeable people
> >> >> who discussed audio...guys like JJ who
> >> >> were relentlessly branded as Phoebe the telco witch
> >> >> and tell me again that ridicule follows the OT.
>
> >> > If an audio post is ridiculed, it's actually on-topic, 2pid. Here's an
> >> > example:
>
> >> > *********************************************
> >> >> Anyone see any correlations between the characterizations of Mr. Holt
> >> >> and opinions posted on rao by the anti-objectivists in recent years?
>
> >> > Sure. The "anti-objectivists" want to advance sound quality.
>
> >> > Why "advance" sound quality when everything already sounds the same?
> >> > We've hit the wall: 16-bit CDs, QSC amps and wire from Home Depot.
> >> > Audio nirvana, no sound advancement required.
>
> >> > So what are you bitching about?
>
> >> Talk about watering down and sweetening your ridicule
> >> to soda pop level.
>
> > This poster hasn't earned the type of response that you have, 2pid.
> > He'd have to post stupidity for months and months and months to even
> > begin to catch up with you and good old Arns.
>
> So if he conforms to your opinion he can avoid increasingly vile ridicule.

The dilemma he created has nothing to do with 'opinion', 2pid. Logic
is funny that way. So yes, if this poster, like you, continued to
argue that obvious facts are wrong, he would get ridicule.

> Wow...what a disgusting admission.

What do you have against logic? LOL!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 04:13 AM

On Oct 23, 9:55 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...

> > On Oct 23, 5:06 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> >> > On Oct 23, 4:40 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> > On Oct 23, 10:08 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion to
> >> >> >> >> off topic ridicule?
>
> >> >> >> > That's a false question. It implies that the OT discussion is just
> >> >> >> > naturally there, and that the ridicule is the problem,
>
> >> >> >> Lol...you're such a rookie.
>
> >> >> >> Go back a few years when we had knowledgeable people
> >> >> >> who discussed audio...guys like JJ who
> >> >> >> were relentlessly branded as Phoebe the telco witch
> >> >> >> and tell me again that ridicule follows the OT.
>
> >> >> > If an audio post is ridiculed, it's actually on-topic, 2pid. Here's an
> >> >> > example:
>
> >> >> > *********************************************
> >> >> >> Anyone see any correlations between the characterizations of Mr. Holt
> >> >> >> and opinions posted on rao by the anti-objectivists in recent years?
>
> >> >> > Sure. The "anti-objectivists" want to advance sound quality.
>
> >> >> > Why "advance" sound quality when everything already sounds the same?
> >> >> > We've hit the wall: 16-bit CDs, QSC amps and wire from Home Depot.
> >> >> > Audio nirvana, no sound advancement required.
>
> >> >> > So what are you bitching about?
>
> >> >> Talk about watering down and sweetening your ridicule
> >> >> to soda pop level.
>
> >> > This poster hasn't earned the type of response that you have, 2pid.
> >> > He'd have to post stupidity for months and months and months to even
> >> > begin to catch up with you and good old Arns.
>
> >> So if he conforms to your opinion he can avoid increasingly vile ridicule.
>
> > The dilemma he created has nothing to do with 'opinion', 2pid. Logic
> > is funny that way. So yes, if this poster, like you, continued to
> > argue that obvious facts are wrong, he would get ridicule.
>
> If your arrogance was only matched by your intellect.
>
> Always consider...what if you're wrong? As a human, you're as
> capable of error as any of us. You are human, aren't you?

Sure I am. Now you can show me the error in the logic, and we can get
it over with. So lay it out, 2pid: where is the error?

> >> Wow...what a disgusting admission.
>
> > What do you have against logic? LOL!
>
> Nothing...the distorted perception of having mastered it
> is the problem.

As I thought: Nothing here but flatulence.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 04:19 AM

On Oct 23, 5:24 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:

> Scottie seems to fear and resent me more than he does you. Jealous? ;-)

Nah. You can have him.;-)

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 04:22 AM

On Oct 23, 5:20 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in messagenews:3jrsh3l8i1lpbml05u783pfbdrkp85kd6q@4ax .com...
>
>
>
> > MiNe 109 said:
>
> >> > On top of which, Phoebe was jj's own nickname for himself.
>
> >> "Call me 'Phoebe'" or some such. His skin was thick enough to deal with
> >> anything he wanted to, and he didn't hold back.
>
> > Yep. Scottie has this image of Phoebe as some delicate hothouse flower,
> > peeking meekly over his spectacles to impart nuggets of "science".
> > Nothing could be further from the truth.
>
> He endured for years before just leaving.

Yes, I can hear it now. "They're calling me 'Phoebe the Evil Telco
Witch' when I'm not there. I just know they are." For years. I'd leave
too.

> His final exchanges were with Trots...a middiot lap dog at the time.

A 'minion'?

> Could it be that Middius turned on Trots because he drove
> off his favorite target?......Hmmmm...but that was a almost a year
> later he broke out the mommyf'er tirade.
> Maybe it took him that long to realize what his life was like
> without his favorite pastime.

And *you've* stayed through all of this drama? My god, you're sicker
than I thought. I make you a solemn promise, 2pid. I will never call
you "Phoebe."

Are you here for justice, 2pid? Is it killin' time now? LOL!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 05:01 AM

On Oct 23, 5:23 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 23, 4:10 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> oglegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 23, 11:13 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> >> messagenews:1d4sh31k85tndg13d2ch47ne44obollitf@4ax .com...
>
> >> >> > Yapper tunes up his "brain".
>
> >> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out of it,
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > usual.
>
> >> >> Let's create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> >> history of ridicule.
>
> >> >> I'll start....I'll go with Phoebe.
> >> >> Your turn...what's it gonna be...mommyf'er perhaps?
> >> >> How about Paula?
>
> >> >> This could be quite a list. But you have time and little
> >> >> else to do. The landscape is devoid of targets for you.
>
> >> > So 2pid, why haven't you left? I call you 2pid. George calls you
> >> > "Terrierborg".
>
> >> Maybe I should...there is little value here..
>
> > As I've said, I promise to miss you, 2pid.
>
> You'd be gone in 6 months or find someone else to ridicule.

Thanks for the concern, but I can worry about that all by myself.

> Without someone to ridicule..you've got nothing.

That really hurts, 2pid. If you keep that up for several more years, I
may become frustrated with George and leave.

George M. Middius

October 24th 07, 05:12 AM

Shhhh! said:

> I make you a solemn promise, 2pid. I will never call
> you "Phoebe."

You can call him Rimmer, though.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 05:32 AM

On Oct 23, 5:30 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Shhhh! said to duh-Scottie:
>
> > > your pathetic.....
> > My pathetic what?
>
> Grammar book? Education? Desire to be understood? Fielder's choice.

2pid's spell-check obviously missed this one...:-)

Jenn

October 24th 07, 07:02 AM

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > On Oct 23, 5:23 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> oglegroups.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Oct 23, 4:10 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> oglegroups.com...
> >>
> >> >> > On Oct 23, 11:13 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> >> >> messagenews:1d4sh31k85tndg13d2ch47ne44obollitf@4ax .com...
> >>
> >> >> >> > Yapper tunes up his "brain".
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
> >>
> >> >> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > it,
> >> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> > usual.
> >>
> >> >> >> Let's create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> >> >> history of ridicule.
> >>
> >> >> >> I'll start....I'll go with Phoebe.
> >> >> >> Your turn...what's it gonna be...mommyf'er perhaps?
> >> >> >> How about Paula?
> >>
> >> >> >> This could be quite a list. But you have time and little
> >> >> >> else to do. The landscape is devoid of targets for you.
> >>
> >> >> > So 2pid, why haven't you left? I call you 2pid. George calls you
> >> >> > "Terrierborg".
> >>
> >> >> Maybe I should...there is little value here..
> >>
> >> > As I've said, I promise to miss you, 2pid.
> >>
> >> You'd be gone in 6 months or find someone else to ridicule.
> >
> > Thanks for the concern, but I can worry about that all by myself.
> >
> >> Without someone to ridicule..you've got nothing.
> >
> > That really hurts, 2pid.
>
> Nah...your comfortably numb.

Your comfortably numb what? (Nevermind; TMI ;-)

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 09:08 AM

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 09:49 AM

On Oct 23, 10:42 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in oglegroups.com...

> > On Oct 23, 9:55 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 23, 5:06 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> >> >> > On Oct 23, 4:40 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 10:08 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion to
> >> >> >> >> >> off topic ridicule?
>
> >> >> >> >> > That's a false question. It implies that the OT discussion is just
> >> >> >> >> > naturally there, and that the ridicule is the problem,
>
> >> >> >> >> Lol...you're such a rookie.
>
> >> >> >> >> Go back a few years when we had knowledgeable people
> >> >> >> >> who discussed audio...guys like JJ who
> >> >> >> >> were relentlessly branded as Phoebe the telco witch
> >> >> >> >> and tell me again that ridicule follows the OT.
>
> >> >> >> > If an audio post is ridiculed, it's actually on-topic, 2pid. Here's
> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> > example:
>
> >> >> >> > *********************************************
> >> >> >> >> Anyone see any correlations between the characterizations of Mr.
> >> >> >> >> Holt
> >> >> >> >> and opinions posted on rao by the anti-objectivists in recent years?
>
> >> >> >> > Sure. The "anti-objectivists" want to advance sound quality.
>
> >> >> >> > Why "advance" sound quality when everything already sounds the same?
> >> >> >> > We've hit the wall: 16-bit CDs, QSC amps and wire from Home Depot.
> >> >> >> > Audio nirvana, no sound advancement required.
>
> >> >> >> > So what are you bitching about?
>
> >> >> >> Talk about watering down and sweetening your ridicule
> >> >> >> to soda pop level.
>
> >> >> > This poster hasn't earned the type of response that you have, 2pid.
> >> >> > He'd have to post stupidity for months and months and months to even
> >> >> > begin to catch up with you and good old Arns.
>
> >> >> So if he conforms to your opinion he can avoid increasingly vile ridicule.
>
> >> > The dilemma he created has nothing to do with 'opinion', 2pid. Logic
> >> > is funny that way. So yes, if this poster, like you, continued to
> >> > argue that obvious facts are wrong, he would get ridicule.
>
> >> If your arrogance was only matched by your intellect.
>
> >> Always consider...what if you're wrong? As a human, you're as
> >> capable of error as any of us. You are human, aren't you?
>
> > Sure I am. Now you can show me the error in the logic, and we can get
> > it over with. So lay it out, 2pid: where is the error?
>
> The error is forming your logic around a strawman argument.

Oh, really?
>
>
>
> >> >> Wow...what a disgusting admission.
>
> >> > What do you have against logic? LOL!
>
> >> Nothing...the distorted perception of having mastered it
> >> is the problem.
>
> > As I thought: Nothing here but flatulence.
>
> You go Spock...
>
> ScottW
>
>
>
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Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 10:05 AM

On Oct 23, 10:42 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in oglegroups.com...

> > On Oct 23, 9:55 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 23, 5:06 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> >> >> > On Oct 23, 4:40 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 10:08 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion to
> >> >> >> >> >> off topic ridicule?
>
> >> >> >> >> > That's a false question. It implies that the OT discussion is just
> >> >> >> >> > naturally there, and that the ridicule is the problem,
>
> >> >> >> >> Lol...you're such a rookie.
>
> >> >> >> >> Go back a few years when we had knowledgeable people
> >> >> >> >> who discussed audio...guys like JJ who
> >> >> >> >> were relentlessly branded as Phoebe the telco witch
> >> >> >> >> and tell me again that ridicule follows the OT.
>
> >> >> >> > If an audio post is ridiculed, it's actually on-topic, 2pid. Here's
> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> > example:
>
> >> >> >> > *********************************************
> >> >> >> >> Anyone see any correlations between the characterizations of Mr.
> >> >> >> >> Holt
> >> >> >> >> and opinions posted on rao by the anti-objectivists in recent years?
>
> >> >> >> > Sure. The "anti-objectivists" want to advance sound quality.
>
> >> >> >> > Why "advance" sound quality when everything already sounds the same?
> >> >> >> > We've hit the wall: 16-bit CDs, QSC amps and wire from Home Depot.
> >> >> >> > Audio nirvana, no sound advancement required.
>
> >> >> >> > So what are you bitching about?
>
> >> >> >> Talk about watering down and sweetening your ridicule
> >> >> >> to soda pop level.
>
> >> >> > This poster hasn't earned the type of response that you have, 2pid.
> >> >> > He'd have to post stupidity for months and months and months to even
> >> >> > begin to catch up with you and good old Arns.
>
> >> >> So if he conforms to your opinion he can avoid increasingly vile ridicule.
>
> >> > The dilemma he created has nothing to do with 'opinion', 2pid. Logic
> >> > is funny that way. So yes, if this poster, like you, continued to
> >> > argue that obvious facts are wrong, he would get ridicule.
>
> >> If your arrogance was only matched by your intellect.
>
> >> Always consider...what if you're wrong? As a human, you're as
> >> capable of error as any of us. You are human, aren't you?
>
> > Sure I am. Now you can show me the error in the logic, and we can get
> > it over with. So lay it out, 2pid: where is the error?
>
> The error is forming your logic around a strawman argument.

So what do the "objectivists" feel isn't "solved"?

If something is "solved" you don't need to do blind tests. By my count
that includes all electronics and all wires and cables. That leaves
electro-mechanical devices, such as turntables and tape and speakers,
and rooms. Since we can agree that turntables and cartidges sound
different, we're talking personal preference there. Besides, you're a
"vinyl bigot" if you listen to them. We can agree that speakers (since
they, too, are electro-mechanical devices) sound different. That's
personal choice again. Speaker manufacturers use blind testing at the
factory (where it rightfully belongs) anyway. That leaves blind
testing rooms. Consider that the next time you buy a house. That also
assumes that your goal is "absolute accuracy". Let's not even bring up
tubes here.

Now, however, we find that "anti-objectivists" are responsible for a
halt in the advancement of audio. Their ridicule and purchase choices
have utterly shut down improvements in audio.

Whose position am I misrepresenting? Where was the strawman built?
Whose actual position is not represented? LOL!

> >> >> Wow...what a disgusting admission.
>
> >> > What do you have against logic? LOL!
>
> >> Nothing...the distorted perception of having mastered it
> >> is the problem.
>
> > As I thought: Nothing here but flatulence.
>
> You go Spock...

I'll try, but melding with a 'mind' is seldom successful. ;-)

LOL!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 10:38 AM

On Oct 23, 5:42 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in oglegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> oglegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 23, 2:16 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> >> ups.com...
>
> >> >> > On 23 Oct, 12:43, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> >> >> messagenews:8i8sh3dl47st46q09kp7e2qrohco2hsld6@4ax .com...
>
> >> >> >> > Scottie acknowledges being a stupid, moronic, idiotic imbecile.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
>
> >> >> >> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
>
> >> >> >> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly out
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > it,
> >> >> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> >> > usual.
>
> >> >> >> >> Let's
>
> >> >> >> > Witlessmongrel always changes the subject rather than admit he was
> >> >> >> > caught
> >> >> >> > being stupid.
>
> >> >> >> >> create a list of keywords people can use to review your long
> >> >> >> >> history of ridicule.
>
> >> >> >> > Scottie, you're Ridiculous with a capital R. It's not just me who
> >> >> >> > points
> >> >> >> > it out. Even the ever-humorless Krooger has a faint glimmer of your
> >> >> >> > obtuseness.
>
> >> >> >> Look who's really avoiding the subject.
> >> >> >> Scorched group is all that's left behind from your ****tiness.
> >> >> >> Ssssshhheads silly assertion that OT begets ridicule
> >> >> >> shows he is no student of RAO history.
>
> >> >> >> ScottW
>
> >> >> > make no mistake about it
> >> >> > Arny ruined this group
>
> >> >> BS...Arny is a regular on many groups that
> >> >> aren't ruined like RAO....
>
> >> > Have you looked at most of the responses to good old Arns on the
> >> > recording groups, for example?
>
> >> I'm not going to defend Arny...
> >> I just point out that his presence alone is not the touch
> >> of death to a group as you point out.
>
> >> > You're clearly no student of the Usenet. LOL!
>
> >> >> Sure he played a part....but middiot slashed and
> >> >> burned so many that didn't give a crap about Arny.
>
> >> > What are you whining about?
>
> >> I'm whining about only have you to chat with.
> >> It really, really sucks.
>
> > Then don't. Whine to all of your coworkers how Shhh! blew you off the
> > group, and how much you 'contributed' and so on... LOL!
>
> I'm not giving you the satisfaction.
>
> Meanwhile, on the more important front,
> the battle for free speech is fought on our campuses.

Kind of looks like there was adequate security there, yes?

> Luckily..this battle was won.

Yes, it was touch and go. It's funny how you're interested in free
speech (although, predictably, the interest is only applicable to
right-wing fringe groups), yet seemingly unconcerned about losing
civil rights in most other areas.

LOL!

Imbecile.

Clyde Slick

October 24th 07, 06:11 PM

On 24 Oct, 13:07, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> > So what do the "objectivists" feel isn't "solved"?
,

perfect measurements!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 07:02 PM

On Oct 24, 12:07 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...

> > On Oct 23, 10:42 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> oglegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 23, 9:55 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > On Oct 23, 5:06 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 4:40 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 10:08 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote
> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> ooglegroups.com...
>
> >> >> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Now we should have a poll...who prefers off topic discussion
> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> off topic ridicule?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> > That's a false question. It implies that the OT discussion is
> >> >> >> >> >> > just
> >> >> >> >> >> > naturally there, and that the ridicule is the problem,
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Lol...you're such a rookie.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Go back a few years when we had knowledgeable people
> >> >> >> >> >> who discussed audio...guys like JJ who
> >> >> >> >> >> were relentlessly branded as Phoebe the telco witch
> >> >> >> >> >> and tell me again that ridicule follows the OT.
>
> >> >> >> >> > If an audio post is ridiculed, it's actually on-topic, 2pid.
> >> >> >> >> > Here's
> >> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> >> > example:
>
> >> >> >> >> > *********************************************
> >> >> >> >> >> Anyone see any correlations between the characterizations of Mr.
> >> >> >> >> >> Holt
> >> >> >> >> >> and opinions posted on rao by the anti-objectivists in recent
> >> >> >> >> >> years?
>
> >> >> >> >> > Sure. The "anti-objectivists" want to advance sound quality.
>
> >> >> >> >> > Why "advance" sound quality when everything already sounds the
> >> >> >> >> > same?
> >> >> >> >> > We've hit the wall: 16-bit CDs, QSC amps and wire from Home Depot.
> >> >> >> >> > Audio nirvana, no sound advancement required.
>
> >> >> >> >> > So what are you bitching about?
>
> >> >> >> >> Talk about watering down and sweetening your ridicule
> >> >> >> >> to soda pop level.
>
> >> >> >> > This poster hasn't earned the type of response that you have, 2pid.
> >> >> >> > He'd have to post stupidity for months and months and months to even
> >> >> >> > begin to catch up with you and good old Arns.
>
> >> >> >> So if he conforms to your opinion he can avoid increasingly vile
> >> >> >> ridicule.
>
> >> >> > The dilemma he created has nothing to do with 'opinion', 2pid. Logic
> >> >> > is funny that way. So yes, if this poster, like you, continued to
> >> >> > argue that obvious facts are wrong, he would get ridicule.
>
> >> >> If your arrogance was only matched by your intellect.
>
> >> >> Always consider...what if you're wrong? As a human, you're as
> >> >> capable of error as any of us. You are human, aren't you?
>
> >> > Sure I am. Now you can show me the error in the logic, and we can get
> >> > it over with. So lay it out, 2pid: where is the error?
>
> >> The error is forming your logic around a strawman argument.
>
> > So what do the "objectivists" feel isn't "solved"?
>
> The perfect speaker...
> the perfect listening room...
> perfect room correction..
> perfect room treatment...
> perfect crossovers....
> perfect multi-channel mixing...
> perfect stereo mixing....
> the perfect microphone and its array variants...
> perfect understanding of what sounds perfect.
> perfect vinyl pressing...
>
> oh...and the perfect CD/DVD case....

> > If something is "solved" you don't need to do blind tests. By my count
> > that includes all electronics and all wires and cables.
>
> On the list of improveable categories...I agree these aren't tops.

But to objectivists, they are not on the radar screen. I actually
agree with that, but that isn't the point.

Keep in mind that this was a specific response to a specific poster
who tried to use an article by Holt to reinforce a position that "anti-
objectivists" have halted improvements in audio.

> > That leaves
> > electro-mechanical devices, such as turntables and tape and speakers,
> > and rooms.
>
> That's a lot to be left. Pretty much where my efforts are focused.
>
> > Since we can agree that turntables and cartidges sound
> > different, we're talking personal preference there.
>
> I give you carts and arms....TTs...not so much.

I'm OK with that distinction.

> But just cuz things sound different...it doesn't mean that
> objectivity is completely out the window.
>
> > Besides, you're a
> > "vinyl bigot" if you listen to them.
>
> Captured by the Arnytrap. Please try to release yourself
> so we can proceed.

No, if you read what objectivists say, LPs are nothing but a mush of
unlistenable distortion. It's not just Arns saying that.

> > We can agree that speakers (since
> > they, too, are electro-mechanical devices) sound different. That's
> > personal choice again. Speaker manufacturers use blind testing at the
> > factory (where it rightfully belongs) anyway.
>
> I think some use it in the R&D lab. The factory is in China....
>
> But what is your point? Since perfection is not available yet...
> then subjectivity is all that can be used?

No, my point is that since we can agree that there are differences
between the sound of, say, cartridges or speakers, that blind-testing
to find out if there are differences in sound is an exercize in mental
masturbation. We already know those differences exist.

Objectivists argue that amplifiers only sound different if they are
"broken". Buying Krell amps is stupid unless you want to short the
leads and do some welding. Even then, you can buy welders cheaper.
Amplifiers are "solved". WTF would anybody be interested in advancing
the sound of something there is no need to improve upon?

> > That leaves blind
> > testing rooms. Consider that the next time you buy a house. That also
> > assumes that your goal is "absolute accuracy".
>
> I think that is an area that is not yet fully understood.
> Does absolute accuracy provide maximum satisfaction?
> This unanswered question seems to be a source of Holts frustration.

I think that's a good question. And exactly how do "anti-objectivists"
impede answering it?

> > Let's not even bring up
> > tubes here.
>
> > Now, however, we find that "anti-objectivists" are responsible for a
> > halt in the advancement of audio.
>
> I don't agree with that. In fact I think they show that improvements in the
> understanding of the human factors of listening need work.

Which is beyond the average audio hobbyist and into psychology or
other research disciplines.

> For example...I'll call it a minimalistic style of recording for lack of
> a better term. Two mics spaced head apart capturing the sound
> as it would impact a listener at that positions left and right ear.
> Can this recording be used for accurate stereo reproduction
> with speakers at home? How about headphone listening?
> Would it be better to have different recordings for both
> types of reproduction (headphone vs speaker)?
> How about near field monitors vs far field?

Good questions all, but these are not areas that the typical audio
hobbyist concerns themselves with. Audio hobbyists do not impede this
one iota.

> Can room correction address and allow an optimal one
> size fits all recording?

Can a speaker be built that fits all rooms?

> Maybe these answers are known but they aren't implemented
> in the industry. I don't see the Stereophiles of the world
> clamoring for them.

I do see JA experimenting with recording. I don't know that I've heard
one of his recordings. Do they suck?

> > Their ridicule and purchase choices
> > have utterly shut down improvements in audio.
>
> > Whose position am I misrepresenting?
>
> Everyones, mine included. This person who adheres to your
> exact representation does not exist AFAIK.

Yet this is the dilemma set up by the poster I responded to. I was not
suggesting that it is anybody else's position.

> Forcing individuals into your stereotype views doesn't
> promote rational discourse.

They aren't my views.

> Everyone spends all the time arguing that isn't me
> or that is you... That's just BS.
> Arny does it...now you're doing it too.

Look at the post I responded to.

*************************************************
As discussed by Gordon Holt in some interesting quotes published in
the
December Stereophile, audio developments in recent years, which have
entailed the discarding of objective standards such as blind
listening
comparisons, have in some respects reduced what used to be "high
fidelity" to voodoo science. As stated by Mr.Holt:

"... "good" audio is now often defined as "whatever one likes."
And
since the only measure of sound quality is that the listener likes
it,
that has pretty well put an end to audio advancement, because
different
people rarely agree about sound quality. - Abandoning the acoustical
instrument standard, and the mindless acceptance of voodoo science,
were
not a parts of my [Holt's] original vision."

Further:

"As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its
credibility during the 1980's when it flatly refused to submit to the
kind of BASIC HONESTY CONTROLS (double blind blind testing, for
example)
that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since
Pascal. .." [emphasis added]

Anyone see any correlations between the characterizations of Mr. Holt
and opinions posted on rao by the anti-objectivists in recent years?
************************************************** **************
According to objectivists, electronics and wire are solved. So there
is no need, in either high-end or midfi audio, to blind test them.
That's over. So do we blind test for audible differences in areas
where all agree they exist, electro-mechanical devices and rooms? This
poster cannot have it both ways: either there are audible differences
requiring blind testing or there are not. Speakers and LP reproduction
would not. These are clearly in the realm of preference, which Holt
seems to have a problem with.

Therefore, my response (and it was also just a bit tongue-in-cheek).

************************************************** *************

Sure. The "anti-objectivists" want to advance sound quality.

Why "advance" sound quality when everything already sounds the same?
We've hit the wall: 16-bit CDs, QSC amps and wire from Home Depot.
Audio nirvana, no sound advancement required.

So what are you bitching about?

************************************************** ****************

> > Where was the strawman built?
>
> See above.

Was the original poster's position incorrectly stated? Again, I am not
suggesting that this is *your* position.

How do you improve on something where there is no room for audible
improvement? What purpose would blind testing serve? To find out if
it's "broken"? You can tell if a power supply is inadequate by looking
at the schematic.

> > Whose actual position is not represented? LOL!
>
> A better question would be...whose position is represented?
> I'd like to discuss it with them.

Look under the thread "back to basics". His name is "Jim".

Clyde Slick

October 24th 07, 08:20 PM

On 24 Oct, 13:25, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > On 24 Oct, 13:07, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> >> > So what do the "objectivists" feel isn't "solved"?
> > ,
>
> > perfect measurements!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> absolutely. Especially in what set of measurements is sufficient and adequate
> to define how something sounds.
>

probably something can't be done.
check bask in 00 yearws

Clyde Slick

October 24th 07, 08:21 PM

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 10:29 PM

On Oct 24, 3:19 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 24 Oct, 13:25, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> >> > On 24 Oct, 13:07, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
>
> >> >> > So what do the "objectivists" feel isn't "solved"?
> >> > ,
>
> >> > perfect measurements!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> absolutely. Especially in what set of measurements is sufficient and
> >> adequate
> >> to define how something sounds.
>
> >> ScottW
>
> > i mean 100 years
>
> I think it could be done...there just isn't enough market value to make
> it happen.

I wonder why DBTs for hobbyists never caught on? Any suggestions?

Clyde Slick

October 24th 07, 10:50 PM

On 24 Oct, 17:29, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:

> I wonder why DBTs for hobbyists never caught on? Any suggestions?

it ain't much of a hobby. certainly not as enjoyable as mounting dead
butterflys.

George M. Middius

October 24th 07, 11:10 PM

Shhhh! said:

> I wonder why DBTs for hobbyists never caught on? Any suggestions?

As a group, audiophiles may be irreligious. I know I am.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 24th 07, 11:47 PM

On Oct 24, 4:50 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 24 Oct, 17:29, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
>
> > wrote:
> > I wonder why DBTs for hobbyists never caught on? Any suggestions?
>
> it ain't much of a hobby. certainly not as enjoyable as mounting dead
> butterflys.

Your sexual preferences are none of my business.

Clyde Slick

October 25th 07, 12:59 AM

On 24 Oct, 18:47, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 4:50 pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 24 Oct, 17:29, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
>
> > > wrote:
> > > I wonder why DBTs for hobbyists never caught on? Any suggestions?
>
> > it ain't much of a hobby. certainly not as enjoyable as mounting dead
> > butterflys.
>
> Your sexual preferences are none of my business.

females only, of course.
and live ones are too hard to catch.
all iin all, still better than eye gouging.

JBorg, Jr.[_2_]

October 25th 07, 05:58 AM

> ScottW wrote:
>
>
>
> I think it could be done...there just isn't enough market value to
> make it happen.
>
> ScottW

It can be done if there was enough values placed on the resistors
between your ears.

JBorg, Jr.[_2_]

October 25th 07, 06:02 AM

> Clyde Slick wrote:
>> Shhhh! wrote:
>
>> I wonder why DBTs for hobbyists never caught on? Any suggestions?
>
> it ain't much of a hobby. certainly not as enjoyable as mounting dead
> butterflys.

.... nor as in determining the proper amount of bleach necessary to uproot
the brown stains left over on Arny's chair.

JBorg, Jr.[_2_]

October 25th 07, 06:36 AM

Ooopppss...

Jenn

October 25th 07, 07:01 AM

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> > On Oct 23, 5:23 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> oglegroups.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Oct 23, 4:10 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> >> >> >> oglegroups.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Oct 23, 11:13 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in
> >> >> >> >> messagenews:1d4sh31k85tndg13d2ch47ne44obollitf@4ax .com...
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Yapper tunes up his "brain".
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2pid is number two
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > Arnii won't like that.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> It's in large part your doing.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Go back to nipping at your fleas, Scooter. You're hopelessly
> >> >> >> >> > out
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > it,
> >> >> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> >> > usual.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Let's create a list of keywords people can use to review your
> >> >> >> >> long
> >> >> >> >> history of ridicule.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I'll start....I'll go with Phoebe.
> >> >> >> >> Your turn...what's it gonna be...mommyf'er perhaps?
> >> >> >> >> How about Paula?
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> This could be quite a list. But you have time and little
> >> >> >> >> else to do. The landscape is devoid of targets for you.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> > So 2pid, why haven't you left? I call you 2pid. George calls you
> >> >> >> > "Terrierborg".
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe I should...there is little value here..
> >> >>
> >> >> > As I've said, I promise to miss you, 2pid.
> >> >>
> >> >> You'd be gone in 6 months or find someone else to ridicule.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the concern, but I can worry about that all by myself.
> >> >
> >> >> Without someone to ridicule..you've got nothing.
> >> >
> >> > That really hurts, 2pid.
> >>
> >> Nah...your comfortably numb.
> >
> > Your comfortably numb what? (Nevermind; TMI ;-)
>
> Life...after a 16 hour day.. this is yours.
>
> ScottW

lol OK. You and all of your geographic kin certainly deserve a break.

Today was only 13 hours. What a week. And I've been served papers to
testify at a thing tomorrow at the college. Oy.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

October 26th 07, 09:52 PM

On Oct 26, 3:30 pm, " >
wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> > I wonder why DBTs for hobbyists never caught on? Any suggestions?
>
> Requires to (sic) much discipline and destroys to (sic) many preconceived notions.

You may be close on the first one. I'd put it like this, though: "Too
much of a hassle with very little perceived benefit."

As for your second point, I'd rephrase that one like this: "Sounds too
much like going to church." Let's see how they sound together:

"Too much of a hassle with very little perceived benefit and sounds
too much like going to church."

I think we're on to something here.