YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)

[SFTV_troy]

HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s.
Check if out for yourself:

Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235
Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544
Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756
americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309
UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151
Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612
Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670
70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866
80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883
Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085
Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853
Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275
Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037
UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849
Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908
Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814
EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605
Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848

[Steve[_12_]]

On Sep 30, 5:11 pm, SFTV_troy > wrote:
> HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
> Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s.
> Check if out for yourself:
>
> Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235
> Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544
> Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756
> americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309
> UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151
> Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612
> Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670
> 70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866
> 80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883
> Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085
> Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853
> Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275
> Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037
> UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849
> Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908
> Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814
> EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605
> Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848

Please, ease up on the crossposting.

[RHF]

On Sep 30, 2:11 pm, SFTV_troy > wrote:
> HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
> Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s.
> Check if out for yourself:
>
> Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235
> Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544
> Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756
> americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309
> UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151
> Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612
> Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670
> 70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866
> 80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883
> Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085
> Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853
> Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275
> Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037
> UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849
> Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908
> Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814
> EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605
> Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848

SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio
* It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone

Free Over-the-Air Radio is Radio [.]
-PS- No "CoDec" Required !

SFTV, { DOH ! - Hybrid Digital Radio Fanatic }

AM/MW "HD" Radio is 'by-design' Engineered to Interfer
with the two Adjacent AM/MW Radio Channels at 10 kHz.
http://electronicdesign.com/Files/29/12194/Figure_02.gif

1 - Sear This Graphic Into Your Minds Eye.

2 - Then Actually Listen To What AM/MW Radio Has Become
Due To IBOC {HD} Radio Broadcasting.

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
* Twain Harte, CA -USA-

[Steven]

Is this a NEW crossposting junkie or a morph?

[Eric F. Richards]

Steven > wrote:

> Is this a NEW crossposting junkie or a morph?

"Eduardo" Gleason's newest felcher.

[SFTV_troy]

RHF wrote:
>
> SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio
> * It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone

It makes no difference to the computer inside the radio whether the 24
kbit/s data arrived by wire, wireless, a floppy disc, or CD. Data is
data. It will all sound the same.

[SFTV_troy]

On Sep 30, 5:42 pm, "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
>
> So what's in it for him? Is he a professional shill, or is he just trolling?


(Why must people always assume there's a conspiracy involved?) - I'm
just a guy sitting in front of my computer, and watching TCM on the
tv.

Killing time basically until Monday rolls around.

[David Kaye]

Dearest SFTV_troy:

Stop the crossposting crap. We in ba.broadcast aren't interested in
responding to crossposts to non-related newsgroups.

[[email protected]]

On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, "Karl Uppiano" > wrote:
> "SFTV_troy" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > RHF wrote:
>
> >> SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio
> >> * It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone
>
> > It makes no difference to the computer inside the radio whether the 24
> > kbit/s data arrived by wire, wireless, a floppy disc, or CD. Data is
> > data. It will all sound the same.
>
> Yes, but radio is wireless.



And why would the computer that's receiving the AAC stream care about
that?

[Telamon]

In article om>,
SFTV_troy > wrote:

> HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
> Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s.
> Check if out for yourself:
>
> Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235
> Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544
> Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756
> americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309
> UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151
> Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612
> Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670
> 70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866
> 80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883
> Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085
> Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853
> Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275
> Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037
> UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849
> Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908
> Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814
> EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605
> Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848

Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

[Earl Kiosterud]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"SFTV_troy" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
> Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s.
> Check if out for yourself:
>
> Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235
> Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544
> Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756
> americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309
> UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151
> Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612
> Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670
> 70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866
> 80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883
> Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085
> Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853
> Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275
> Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037
> UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849
> Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908
> Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814
> EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605
> Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848
>

The frequency response sounds like that of FM, but it has that swishy sound of compressed
audio.

--
Regards from Virginia Beach,

Earl Kiosterud
www.smokeylake.com

[RHF]

On Sep 30, 2:51 pm, Steven > wrote:
> Is this a NEW crossposting junkie or a morph?

SFTV would make a great "Radium" 5.1 Surround-A-Post !

jftfoi ~ RHF

[RHF]

On Sep 30, 3:43 pm, SFTV_troy > wrote:
> RHF wrote:
>
> > SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio
> > * It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone
>
> It makes no difference to the computer inside the radio whether the 24
> kbit/s data arrived by wire, wireless, a floppy disc, or CD. Data is
> data. It will all sound the same.

Live Radio -is- Live Radio [.]

[RHF]

On Sep 30, 4:23 pm, "Karl Uppiano" > wrote:
> "SFTV_troy" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > RHF wrote:
>
> >> SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio
> >> * It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone
>
> > It makes no difference to the computer inside the radio whether the 24
> > kbit/s data arrived by wire, wireless, a floppy disc, or CD. Data is
> > data. It will all sound the same.
>
> Yes, but radio is wireless.

SFTV - Think of Live Radio -as- Internet Radio Without A Trace ;-}

you do know circuit boards and traces ~ RHF

[David[_13_]]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:11:44 -0700, SFTV_troy >
wrote:

>HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
>Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s.
>Check if out for yourself:
>
>Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235
>Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544
>Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756
>americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309
>UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151
>Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612
>Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670
>70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866
>80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883
>Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085
>Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853
>Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275
>Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037
>UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849
>Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908
>Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814
>EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605
>Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848

That sounds like doggie doo.

[[email protected]]

Telamon wrote:
>
> Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.

Actually I just had my ears tested, and I still have high frequency
response up to 18,000 hertz. I doubt a man of your advance age
(somewhere around 55?), can say the same.

If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded
old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound.

Oh well.

Be a hard-headed, calcified old fart, who is so set in his ways, he's
like a marble statue.

[[email protected]]

Earl Kiosterud wrote:
>
> The frequency response sounds like that of FM, but it
> has that swishy sound of compressed audio.


That's a fair assessment. I find it comparable to the constant
background "hiss" that plagues FM.

I guess it's a good thing AM-HD stations broadcast at 40 kbps then.

[[email protected]]

jhardis wrote:
> On Sep 30, 5:11 pm, SFTV_troy > wrote:
> > HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
> > Mondiale, and DAB+.
>
> 1) The ACC is an athletic conference within the NCAA. You mean AAC.

The "AAC girls" was Playboy's best issue.

;-)



> 2) There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. HD Radio is
> a trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation,
> and the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular.

False. Go look it up on wikipedia, and you will see a link to an
email from the HD Alliance. That email confirms that HD means Hybrid
Digital.



> 3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While
> iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly
> declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE-
> AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you
> could I would love to know about it.


(1) Wikipedia states it is AAC.

(2) Even if wiki is wrong, you find that SBR codecs are the most-
advanced. Take MP3pro for example, which is essentially MP3 + SBR.
It routinely ties with AAC+SBR in listening tests.

(3) iBiquity has already stated it is "based on MPEG4", the most-
advanced standard currently available for audio compression.

So to summarize: We know definitely that it's MPEG4 with SBR. We know
wikipedia states it is based upon AAC. It's safe to make an educated
guess that HDC == MPEG4 AAC+SBR, or a derivation thereof.

[Eric F. Richards]

wrote:

>
> Telamon wrote:
> >
> > Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.
>
> Actually I just had my ears tested, and I still have high frequency
> response up to 18,000 hertz. I doubt a man of your advance age
> (somewhere around 55?), can say the same.
>

But can you recognize music? Any concept of tone?

I'd trust Dave Brubeck's ancient ears over mine and mine over yours.

Tin ear.

[Telamon]

In article om>,
wrote:

> Telamon wrote:
> >
> > Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.
>
> Actually I just had my ears tested, and I still have high frequency
> response up to 18,000 hertz. I doubt a man of your advance age
> (somewhere around 55?), can say the same.

You have no idea how old I am.

> If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded
> old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound.
>
> Oh well.

I have actually listened to several radios and have experimented with
different bandwidths, which is something you haven't done but I noticed
being ignorant doesn't slow you down a bit.

Sorry to get a little technical with you as I realize you are a pretend
digital engineer.

> Be a hard-headed, calcified old fart, who is so set in his ways, he's
> like a marble statue.

The problem for you is that you have a tin ear for life. Young or old
you will never know what sounds good.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

[[email protected]]

Eric F. Richards wrote:
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Telamon wrote:
> > >
> > > Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.
> >
> > Actually I just had my ears tested, and I still have high frequency
> > response up to 18,000 hertz. I doubt a man of your advance age
> > (somewhere around 55?), can say the same.
> >
>
> But can you recognize music? Any concept of tone?


Yes I know what's music, thank you very much. I bet you were a lot
more open-minded when you were in your twenties. (And your parents
probably wondered why you listened to that Big Band and Jazz stuff,
and thought you had poor taste.)

Now you've turned into them.

Close-minded.

[[email protected]]

Telamon wrote:
> wrote:
> > Telamon wrote:
> > >
> > > Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.
>
> > If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded
> > old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound.
>
> I have actually listened to several radios and have
> experimented with different bandwidths....



So NO you didn't bother to listen to the HE-AAC encodings, and have no
clue how they sound. Thanks for clarifying that. ----- You should
not judge something of which you've never heard. That's like saying
"chocolate ice cream tastes bad" when you've never even tried any.

I bet you were a lot cooler person in your 20's. More open-minded.
But now you've lost that - you've turned into a close-minded,
arrogant, and rude man ("Troy has a tin ear").

What would your mother think if she saw how you talk to others?

[[email protected]]

Silence. I guess you don't want to admit you were wrong, huh J
Hardis?



On Oct 1, 8:58 am, wrote:
> jhardis wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. HD Radio is a
> > trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation,
> > and the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular.
>
> False. Go look it up on wikipedia and you will see a link to an
> email from the HD Alliance. That email confirms that HD
> means Hybrid Digital.

[Eric F. Richards]

wrote:

>
> Eric F. Richards wrote:
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Telamon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.
> > >
> > > Actually I just had my ears tested, and I still have high frequency
> > > response up to 18,000 hertz. I doubt a man of your advance age
> > > (somewhere around 55?), can say the same.
> > >
> >
> > But can you recognize music? Any concept of tone?
>
>
> Yes I know what's music, thank you very much. I bet you were a lot
> more open-minded when you were in your twenties.

Actually, I wasn't. I would suffer fools more than, but not now.

> (And your parents
> probably wondered why you listened to that Big Band and Jazz stuff,
> and thought you had poor taste.)
>
> Now you've turned into them.
>


My parents had great taste in music that spanned genres and eras --
you could find Bach and B-52s in their collection.

Thank you for the kind complement! They were some of the most
open-minded people out there.

Now why don't you go out and continue ****ing off some of the most
premier engineers in this field? You're doing wonders for your future
employability.

--
Eric F. Richards,
"It's the Din of iBiquity." -- Frank Dresser

[Peter]

On 2007-10-02 07:11:40 -0700, David > said:

>> "HD Radio" is a
>> trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and
>> the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular.

Image
<http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/peterh5322/HD_Radio_Mark.jpg>

Word Mark HD RADIO

Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "HD" and "
RADIO" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN

[David[_13_]]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:59:12 -0700, jhardis >
wrote:

>On Sep 30, 5:11 pm, SFTV_troy > wrote:
>> HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
>> Mondiale, and DAB+.
>
>1) The ACC is an athletic conference within the NCAA. You mean AAC.
>
>2) There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. "HD Radio" is a
>trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and
>the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular. IBOC has three modes of
>operation: hybrid, extended hybrid, and all digital. All three are
>part of "HD Radio."
>
>3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While
>iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly
>declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE-
>AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you
>could I would love to know about it.
>
> - Jonathan

The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement
AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't
they.

[SFTV_troy]

Eric F. Richards wrote:
> > Eric F. Richards wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.
>
> Now why don't you go out and continue ****ing off some of the most
> premier engineers in this field? You're doing wonders for your future
> employability.



I find this ironic coming from the person who insulted me FIRST.
What? You think it's okay to insult me, but heaven forbid I try to
defend myself from such vicious attacks?

Hypocrite.

If you don't want me insulting you, then you should call me "tin ear"

[Telamon]

In article m>,
wrote:

> Telamon wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > Telamon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.
> >
> > > If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded
> > > old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound.
> >
> > I have actually listened to several radios and have
> > experimented with different bandwidths....
>
>
>
> So NO you didn't bother to listen to the HE-AAC encodings, and have no
> clue how they sound. Thanks for clarifying that. ----- You should
> not judge something of which you've never heard. That's like saying
> "chocolate ice cream tastes bad" when you've never even tried any.

I have the radios. I did the bandwidth experiments with them and
compared to the sound files I down loaded from various web sites and
played them. You clearly have not done any of this so your opinion is
baseless.

You sure act like a moron.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

[jhardis]

On Oct 2, 10:11 am, David > wrote:
> >3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While
> >iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly
> >declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE-
> >AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you
> >could I would love to know about it.
>
> The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement
> AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't
> they.

Of the three companies you mention, Coding Technologies is the one
that has an AAC+SBR implementation (under the tradename aacPlus).

But you miss the point. You are relying on inferences and guesswork
for something that -- whether a correct guess or an incorrect guess --
ought to be public information, but isn't. This is of great concern
to me because of its consequences.

For more information, please see:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6519550109
and the hyperlinked footnotes within.

- Jonathan

[David[_13_]]

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:29:31 -0700, jhardis >
wrote:

>On Oct 2, 10:11 am, David > wrote:
>> >3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While
>> >iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly
>> >declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE-
>> >AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you
>> >could I would love to know about it.
>>
>> The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement
>> AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't
>> they.
>
>Of the three companies you mention, Coding Technologies is the one
>that has an AAC+SBR implementation (under the tradename aacPlus).
>
>But you miss the point. You are relying on inferences and guesswork
>for something that -- whether a correct guess or an incorrect guess --
>ought to be public information, but isn't. This is of great concern
>to me because of its consequences.
>
>For more information, please see:
>http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6519550109
>and the hyperlinked footnotes within.
>
> - Jonathan
You make it sound like I give a rat's ass. I have Sirius and it
sounds great.

[SFTV_troy]

On Oct 2, 8:50 pm, Telamon >
wrote:
>
> You sure act like a moron.


Frak you.

[RHF]

On Oct 2, 4:15 am, wrote:
> Telamon wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > Telamon wrote:
>
> > > > Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.
>
> > > If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded
> > > old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound.
>
> > I have actually listened to several radios and have
> > experimented with different bandwidths....
>
> So NO you didn't bother to listen to the HE-AAC encodings, and have no
> clue how they sound. Thanks for clarifying that. ----- You should
> not judge something of which you've never heard. That's like saying
> "chocolate ice cream tastes bad" when you've never even tried any.
>
> I bet you were a lot cooler person in your 20's. More open-minded.
> But now you've lost that - you've turned into a close-minded,
> arrogant, and rude man ("Troy has a tin ear").
>
> What would your mother think if she saw how you talk to others?

SFTV -aka- The SuperHero "Hybrid Radio" Man !

So have you bought a Shortwave Radio yet ?

Do you own a Shortwave Radio ?

Do you Listen to any Over-the-Air Shortwave Radio Programming ?

After all this is the 'standard' that you set for others :
When they Criticize your 'new' Digital Media Speak.

Remember It Was You Who Cross-Posted This To 'rec.radio.shortwave'
Which Is A Shortwave Radio Listener's (SWL) Newgroup.


walk the talk on the radio ~ RHF