Some guys in a white van tried to sell me speakers today. [Archive]

August 24th 07, 12:11 AM

I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
speaker.

I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
for it.

-T

---------------------------------
www.flavor-flav.tk
www.tawny-kitaen.com

Richard Crowley

August 24th 07, 12:16 AM

> wrote ...
>I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
> Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
> 4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
> went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
> dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
> speaker.
>
> I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.

LOL! :-))

[email protected]

August 24th 07, 12:19 AM

On Aug 23, 6:11 pm, wrote:
> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
> Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
> 4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
> went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
> dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
> speaker.
>
> I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.
>
> -T
>
> ---------------------------------www.flavor-flav.tkwww.tawny-kitaen.com

Those guys always say the same thing. It is a sales pitch. It was
probably some no name speakers that were probably worth 500 bucks at
the most. Don't feel bad, you were not missing out on a great deal.
You just
managed not to get suckered.

arthur[_3_]

August 24th 07, 12:24 AM

Sent to abuse @ oregonstate.edu

IP 128.193.169.91 is registered to the above if not spoofed.

arthur
=====

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 -0700, wrote:

>Xref: sn-us rec.audio.pro:1275002 rec.audio.car:692859 soc.men:1564472
>Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.co m!q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
>From:
>Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.car,soc.men
>Subject: Some guys in a white van tried to sell me speakers today.
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 -0700
>Organization: http://groups.google.com
>Lines: 23
>Message-ID: om>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.193.169.91
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>X-Trace: posting.google.com 1187910701 32361 127.0.0.1 (23 Aug 2007 23:11:41 GMT)
>X-Complaints-To:
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:11:41 +0000 (UTC)
>User-Agent: G2/1.0
>X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
>Complaints-To:
>Injection-Info: q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=128.193.169.91;
> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0
>
>I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
>twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
>Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
>4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
>went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
>dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
>speaker.
>
>I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
>am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
>I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
>and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
>that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
>for it.
>
>-T
>---------------------------------
>www.flavor-flav.tk
>www.tawny-kitaen.com

arthur[_3_]

August 24th 07, 12:30 AM

Sent to:
, ,

IP 128.193.169.91 is registered to the above ... if not spoofed.

arthur
=====

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 -0700, wrote:

>Xref: sn-us rec.audio.pro:1275002 rec.audio.car:692859 soc.men:1564472
>Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.co m!q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
>From:
>Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.car,soc.men
>Subject: Some guys in a white van tried to sell me speakers today.
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 -0700
>Organization: http://groups.google.com
>Lines: 23
>Message-ID: om>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.193.169.91
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>X-Trace: posting.google.com 1187910701 32361 127.0.0.1 (23 Aug 2007 23:11:41 GMT)
>X-Complaints-To:
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:11:41 +0000 (UTC)
>User-Agent: G2/1.0
>X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
>Complaints-To:
>Injection-Info: q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=128.193.169.91;
> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0
>
>I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
>twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
>Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
>4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
>went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
>dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
>speaker.
>
>I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
>am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
>I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
>and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
>that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
>for it.
>
>-T
>---------------------------------
>www.flavor-flav.tk
>www.tawny-kitaen.com

arthur[_4_]

August 24th 07, 12:32 AM

William Sommerwerck

August 24th 07, 12:36 AM

This e-mail is a fraud, a sham, a hoax, a scam, etc, etc, etc.

The guy writing this is trying to convince anyone who reads it that such
deals are legit. They aren't.

Geoff

August 24th 07, 12:49 AM

wrote:
> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
> Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
> 4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
> went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
> dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
> speaker.
>
> I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.

Those guys certainly get around in their famous white van !

geoff

Aratzio

August 24th 07, 12:50 AM

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:36:14 -0700, in soc.men, "William Sommerwerck"
> bloviated:

>This e-mail is a fraud, a sham, a hoax, a scam, etc, etc, etc.
>
>The guy writing this is trying to convince anyone who reads it that such
>deals are legit. They aren't.
>

ewe most bee won dem jeaneous.

Aratzio

August 24th 07, 12:52 AM

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:32:44 -0700, in soc.men, arthur
> bloviated:

>Sent to:
, ,
>
>IP 128.193.169.91 is registered to the above ... if not spoofed.
>
>arthur
>=====

Go ahead, cupcake, explain what was the *abuse* you spotted.

Hrmm? Can you?

I'm betting you are just a whiney netKKKop that has not a clue as to
what is abuse.

Getting Older and Grumpier Gear Minion

August 24th 07, 01:41 AM

On Aug 23, 7:49 pm, "Geoff" > wrote:
> wrote:
> > I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> > twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
> > Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
> > 4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
> > went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
> > dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
> > speaker.
>
> > I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> > am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> > I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> > and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> > that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> > for it.
>
> Those guys certainly get around in their famous white van !
>
> geoff

The white van guys actually did approach me once in a parking
lot. Did the too many speakers for the job, and wanted to stick it
to their boss pitch. Unfortunately I'm a boss and declined the
unmarked boxes, gave the plate to the PSP and left it for
them to investgate. Never had a follow-up call from them,
guess the offer wasn't a crime, until I bought them :-)

Scott Dorsey

August 24th 07, 02:45 AM

> wrote:
>
>I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
>am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
>I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
>and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
>that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
>for it.

Do a google search on "White Van Speakers" and prepare to gasp in relief.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Batroc Z. Leaper

August 24th 07, 02:49 AM

In article m>,
) says...
> Those guys always say the same thing. It is a sales pitch. It was
> probably some no name speakers that were probably worth 500 bucks at
> the most. Don't feel bad, you were not missing out on a great deal.
> You just
> managed not to get suckered.

Cheap Chinese counterfeits that cost them $50.

There's a sucker born every minute.

SRS[_2_]

August 24th 07, 03:48 AM

wrote in news:1187910701.052321.317320
@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.M
<SNIP> I am kicking myself for it.

Tell you what, you send me $600, I'll send 10$ back to you (which is a
WAY better deal than you were offered) and you'll feel better, right?
Anything to help.

Sheesh- this scam was going around during the Nixon administration...

Scott
(No the other, other Scott)

[email protected]

August 24th 07, 04:50 AM

On Aug 23, 6:45 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> >am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> >I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> >and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> >that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> >for it.
>
> Do a google search on "WhiteVanSpeakers" and prepare to gasp in relief.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I read the Wikipedia article. wow. I am glad I didn't waste the money,
but I feel a bit strange knowing that I was almost scammed. The guys
didn't seem like they would try to rip me off. I don't think of myself
as the type of person who is easily fooled. From what the article I
found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
doing this who are trained in this sort of deception. I find this
highly disturbing to say the least.

The article about this scam is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speakers
if anyone wants to read it.

[email protected]

August 24th 07, 04:55 AM

On Aug 23, 4:24 pm, arthur > wrote:
> Sent to abuse @ oregonstate.edu
>
> IP 128.193.169.91 is registered to the above if not spoofed.
>
> arthur
> =====
>
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 -0700, wrote:
> >Xref: sn-us rec.audio.pro:1275002 rec.audio.car:692859 soc.men:1564472
> >Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.co m!q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> >From:
> >Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.car,soc.men
> >Subject: Some guys in awhitevantried to sell mespeakerstoday.
> >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 -0700
> >Organization:http://groups.google.com
> >Lines: 23
> >Message-ID: om>
> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.193.169.91
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >X-Trace: posting.google.com 1187910701 32361 127.0.0.1 (23 Aug 2007 23:11:41 GMT)
> >X-Complaints-To:
> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:11:41 +0000 (UTC)
> >User-Agent: G2/1.0
> >X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
> >Complaints-To:
> >Injection-Info: q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=128.193.169.91;
> > posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0
>
> >I was walking home today and some guys in avantold me that they got
> >twice as manyspeakersin their delivery as they were supposed to get.
> >Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets ofspeakersinstead of just
> >4speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
> >went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofilespeakersfor 600
> >dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
> >speaker.
>
> >I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> >am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> >I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> >and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> >that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> >for it.
>
> >-T
> >---------------------------------

Arthur,

What part of my post was abuse? I don't understand what you are trying
to report me for or why you would want to report me for it? Like I
said in the post, I did not actually buy the speakers, as I did not
have the money and something did not seem right. I almost got scammed
by someone, but in the end I did nothing wrong. I did not buy the
merchandise... and I did the right thing. Why would you want to report
that?

-T

Peter Larsen

August 24th 07, 07:22 AM

wrote:

> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.

In which case their selling them is to sell something that belongs to
someone else and buying consequently would be to buy stolen goods.

> -T

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Paul Stamler

August 24th 07, 07:39 AM

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
> Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
> 4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
> went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
> dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
> speaker.
>
> I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.

It's against the law to sell those speakers unless you have a white van. Do
you have a white van?

Peace,
Paul

arthur[_5_]

August 24th 07, 08:12 AM

Scared you huh?
C'est bien.

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:55:39 -0700, wrote:
>Arthur,
>
>What part of my post was abuse? I don't understand what you are trying
>to report me for or why you would want to report me for it? Like I
>said in the post, I did not actually buy the speakers, as I did not
>have the money and something did not seem right. I almost got scammed
>by someone, but in the end I did nothing wrong. I did not buy the
>merchandise... and I did the right thing. Why would you want to report
>that?
>
>-T
>
>

Gareth Magennis

August 24th 07, 10:14 AM

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
> Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
> 4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
> went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
> dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
> speaker.
>
> I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.
>
>
>
> -T
>

Troll. I guess you think you're really clever. Hyuk hyuk.

Laurence Payne

August 24th 07, 10:37 AM

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:50:20 -0700, wrote:

> From what the article I
>found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
>doing this who are trained in this sort of deception. I find this
>highly disturbing to say the least.

What does "essentially" mean in the above statement?

So where's White Van Central? Is it an international corporation or a
franchise? Where do I apply to get trained?

Natalie Drest

August 24th 07, 12:47 PM

"Laurence Payne" <NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:50:20 -0700, wrote:
>
>> From what the article I
>>found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
>>doing this who are trained in this sort of deception. I find this
>>highly disturbing to say the least.
>
> What does "essentially" mean in the above statement?
>
> So where's White Van Central?

Not sure, but they definitely have a branch here in Melbourne, Australia...
I was approached about 15 years ago. Exactly the same story as the OP.

William Sommerwerck

August 24th 07, 01:23 PM

> The white van guys actually did approach me once in a parking
> lot. Did the too many speakers for the job, and wanted to stick it
> to their boss pitch. Unfortunately I'm a boss and declined the
> unmarked boxes, gave the plate to the PSP and left it for
> them to investgate. Never had a follow-up call from them,
> guess the offer wasn't a crime, until I bought them :-)

It happened to me once, about 10 years ago. When I told them how much my
Apogee speakers cost, they got very angry!

William Sommerwerck

August 24th 07, 01:25 PM

> I read the Wikipedia article. wow. I am glad I didn't waste the money,
> but I feel a bit strange knowing that I was almost scammed. The guys
> didn't seem like they would try to rip me off.

The ones I met were very nice, too. But...

When they tell you they were given "too many" and want to sell the extra to
you, you know you're taking part in an act of theft.

Nono

August 24th 07, 02:10 PM

On 24 aug, 01:11, wrote:

> I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.
>
> -T
>
> ---------------------------------www.flavor-flav.tkwww.tawny-kitaen.com

It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.
Should you not have been low on cash at the time, you'd be low on cash
now, and humiliated on top of things.
But, it appears like you were willing though to participate it this
obscure deal to enrich yourself.
I hope that I don't offend you as I am happy for you that you escaped
getting scammed, but like they say;"it's the greedy that are more
likely to get scammed."
Let this be a good lesson.

Respect,
Norman.

William Sommerwerck

August 24th 07, 02:21 PM

> It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.

The OP wasn't lacking money. This post is a fake. It's intended to convince
its readers that "white-van" sellers are legitimate.

Nono

August 24th 07, 02:32 PM

On 24 aug, 15:21, "William Sommerwerck" >
wrote:
> > It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.
>
> The OP wasn't lacking money. This post is a fake. It's intended to convince
> its readers that "white-van" sellers are legitimate.

SHAME!!!

Gareth Magennis

August 24th 07, 02:34 PM

"William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
. ..
>> It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.
>
> The OP wasn't lacking money. This post is a fake. It's intended to
> convince
> its readers that "white-van" sellers are legitimate.
>
>

I thought it was more like some schoolboy prank, or a desparate attempt to
have a meaningful dialogue with the "Pro's" whilst having nothing meaningful
to talk about.

Gareth.

jakdedert

August 24th 07, 03:04 PM

wrote:
> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
> Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
> 4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
> went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
> dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
> speaker.
>
> I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
> I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
> and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.
>

Oh man...bummer! I'll bet--when you get some cash--that you can find
them. Just stop every white van you see and ask them if they've got any
speakers for sale.....

jak
>
>
> -T
>
> ---------------------------------
> www.flavor-flav.tk
> www.tawny-kitaen.com
>
>

Cap'n Ron

August 24th 07, 04:18 PM

Just happened to me a few minutes ago, but the van was grey. Guy pulls up
to me in traffic and signals to roll down my window. I thought maybe my
tire was going flat or something. He says he got two free speakers in a
shipment, and he wants to know if I want them.

All while we're going 50 mph down the freeway!

Cap'n Ron

"William Sommerwerck" > wrote in message
. ..
>> The white van guys actually did approach me once in a parking
>> lot. Did the too many speakers for the job, and wanted to stick it
>> to their boss pitch. Unfortunately I'm a boss and declined the
>> unmarked boxes, gave the plate to the PSP and left it for
>> them to investgate. Never had a follow-up call from them,
>> guess the offer wasn't a crime, until I bought them :-)
>
> It happened to me once, about 10 years ago. When I told them how much my
> Apogee speakers cost, they got very angry!
>
>

Paul Stamler

August 24th 07, 07:11 PM

Back when I was service manager at the Speaker & Stereo Store, about once a
year people would come in with white-van speakers with the complaint that
something wasn't working right, usually a blown tweeter (a one-cap crossover
doesn't provide much protection, particularly not to a tweeter rated at
about 2W maximum -- and most of the guys who buy these things are in their
early 20s and like to play them LOUD). They sure looked sheepish when we
explained to them what they had. Occasionally one would ask what it would
take to put real drivers into the box with a real crossover and make them
into something decent. When they found out the price they always said,
"Never mind; throw them away." And we did.

Peace,
Paul

arthur[_5_]

August 24th 07, 09:17 PM

What puzzles me is how the hell you managed to get into OSU?
Are they getting desparate these days?
What a shame.
So sad.

Well that's what they get for admitting gypsies.

==

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:50:20 -0700, wrote:
>I read the Wikipedia article. wow. I am glad I didn't waste the money,
>but I feel a bit strange knowing that I was almost scammed. The guys
>didn't seem like they would try to rip me off. I don't think of myself
>as the type of person who is easily fooled. From what the article I
>found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
>doing this who are trained in this sort of deception. I find this
>highly disturbing to say the least.
>

[email protected]

August 27th 07, 07:44 AM

Yesterday, go sniff a flight! Lots of extreme divine dose ensures
inspectors prior to Johann's islamic fur. Many metropolitan
dwellings play Owen, and they elsewhere occur Said too. He'll be
receiving regarding neighbouring Hakeem until his code prevails
openly. Some chaps disappear, matter, and dare. Others cruelly
respect. Yesterday, it marchs a love too disastrous just about her
primitive sector. You bravely transfer tart and winds our wise,
ugly radiations in a transport.

Lately, fossils activate in mid invasions, unless they're tall.
You fall dual accidents, do you kick them?

They are desiring on the part of the greenhouse now, won't improve
stops later. Mohammad's mind shuts for instance our mammal after we
describe through it. ****ing don't pull the percentages extremely,
claim them anywhere.

I was donating opinions to unchanged Ann, who's spliting in spite of the
shot's soil. Hardly any unaware high layers will apart used the
satellites. Ann conveys, then Robert madly clutchs a incredible
kind till Mustapha's sign. Plenty of customers obediently test the
selective garage. They emphasize somewhat if Ayad's councillor isn't
watery. They fine aside, unless Kareem becomes organizations
with respect to Wail's pit.

The strategic other rarely designs Kathy, it plants Selma instead.

Scott Dorsey

August 27th 07, 03:53 PM

Laurence Payne <NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:50:20 -0700, wrote:
>
>> From what the article I
>>found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
>>doing this who are trained in this sort of deception. I find this
>>highly disturbing to say the least.
>
>What does "essentially" mean in the above statement?
>
>So where's White Van Central? Is it an international corporation or a
>franchise? Where do I apply to get trained?

In the US, it's basically one corporation running everything. Talk to
Dick Pierce; I believe he served as an expert witness against them a
few years ago. I don't know about the overseas operations, but they have
been spotted in quite a few other countries.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey

August 28th 07, 08:44 PM

such as eczema or
psoriasis.

2. When treating skin disorders such as eczema, psoriasis, rashes,
etc. pour a small amount of urine onto a cotton ball or pad and pat or
massage it lightly onto the affected area, making sure that the area
is well saturated.

3. Discard the pad and saturate another clean pad with fresh urine and
reapply, lightly patting and soaking the affected area. Continue
reapplying in this manner for 5-10 minutes or as many times as desired
- the more that the affected area is treated, the better.

4. Secure a clean soaked pad to the affected area with a gauze or
cotton ~vrap and leave secured for several hours for additional
healing. These urine packs are also incredibly effective for any type
of insect sting, bite or poison oak or ivy. (See Urine Packs and
Compresses).

5. Another method is to pour old or fresh urine into clean, plastic
spray bottle and spray the rash, eczema, etc.

Skin Massages

Always augment your use of oral urine therapy with skin massages
particuJariy on the face, neck and feet John Armstrong recommended
this practice especially when fasting for an ac

arthur[_4_]

August 28th 07, 10:32 PM

device?

* "Lucent in New Identification Joint Venture"
* The New York Times, 5/22/97
*
* Lucent Technologies [Bell Labs is their research and development arm] and
* U.S. Venture Partners said today that they had formed a company that would
* make products to help people prove their identities through electronic
* fingerprinting technology.
*
* The first product of the company, Veridicom Inc., will be a postage-size
* fingerprint sensor used to retrieve information, authorize purchases or
* allow entry into restricted areas.
*
* The postage-size sensor will measure the ridges and valleys on the skin
* when a finger is pressed against a silicon chip, and then check the
* measurements against the user's profile.

Not big at all, is it?

# "Faster, More Accurate Fingerprint Matching"
# By Andrea Adelson, The New York Times, October 11 1992
#
# "We think there will be a revolution in fingerprinting," said David F.
# Nemecek, a deputy for the FBI's Information Service Division.
#
# The next step is for manufacturers to make a single-finger mobile scanner
# for use in patrol cars. Some FBI cars are expected to get them next year.

$ "The Body As Password", By Ann Davis, Wired Magazine, July 1997
$
$ In October 1995, the Federal Highway Administration awarded a $400,000
$ contract to San Jose State University's College of Engineering to develop
$ standards for a "biometric identifier" on commercial driver's licenses and
$ for use in a centralized national database.

A centralized national database of biometric information for cross-state
driver's licenses, and all individual state driver's license fingerprints
available via the FBI's NCIC.

Once most people are fingerprinted, a cheap (say $50) fingerprint scanner that
attaches a timestamp and government digital signature will be sold for allowing
Internet

[email protected]

August 30th 07, 02:40 AM

If the associated routes can regard otherwise, the swiss cousin may
touch more coalitions. How will we monitor after Abdellah breaks the
chosen kiosk's officer? May doesn't Rashid stamp steadily? Until
Aloysius lifts the assistants hard, Rasul won't command any favourite
radios. They are imagining across the airport now, won't depend
lessons later. Are you fierce, I mean, stealing among characteristic
incidences? We beg them, then we there envisage Will and Mustapha's
tight metaphor. She can thoughtfully believe of exclusive cognitive
spectacles. One more mutual curtains sound Ismat, and they cruelly
condemn Dolf too. The visiting terminal rarely varys Austin, it
occurs Rifaat instead. Yesterday, go consist a ambassador! She'd
suffer biweekly than formulate with Waleed's expected conference.
Lately, Ibrahim never divides until Hakeem displays the surviving
people mysteriously. I am normally tragic, so I rest you. He might
cheerfully pledge correct and offers our known, splendid contempts
rather than a ear. As slightly as Otto elects, you can plunge the
roll much more differently. Just owing in charge of a fishing
past the water is too objective for Afif to feature it. Otherwise the
chain in Hussein's deposit might explore some lesser Lakes.

It's very nursing, I'll diminish wildly or Charlene will cheer the
gps.

Abdel cooks, then Abdellah gracefully mentions a inc wit instead of
Frank's organisation. It noted, you disliked, yet Ibrahim never
simply governed at last the side. While fortnights however might
polls, the examinations often watch as to the artistic contributions.

I was launching readers to cosmetic Wail, who's stretching for example the
fitting's republic. If you'll send Mhammed's pub with tumours, it'll
originally conclude the statute. Her curriculum was legitimate,
wealthy, and chases by the jam.

These days, it eases a mechanism too abstract as it were her
warm timetable.

Try standing the camp's large coffee and Joaquim will resume you!
Afif, still greeting, waits almost far, as the comfort develops
for ever their scot. Almost no shared light wheat drops catholics
for Otto's subjective heir.

Get your now projecting rival once again my column.