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Tony Fernandes
July 31st 04, 05:16 AM
Find a used Sony CDX-C90 on eBay. The display is next to impossible to read
during the day, but the SQ is arguably the best. You can usually hunt
around and find one in good shape for under $500 or so.

The Nakamichi CD-700II "supposedly" corrected all the problems they
experienced with the CD-700. It sounds very sweet, too.

The CD8454 is by far the least expensive of the bunch you listed, and quite
easy on the eyes. I wouldn't go as far as to say as SQ oriented as the
rest, but many will disagree with me on that. Just FYI, if you can find an
8053, it's the same thing without the 8V preouts & memory stick so you can
program the deck via the Internet....neither of which has anything to do
with SQ & you could save even more money.

Alpine F1 is way overpriced in my opinion. It's a great multimedia setup
but in terms of SQ there's better out there.

Never heard the DRX9255, but I've heard nothing but good things about it.
Isn't the MacIntosh deck pretty much the same thing on the inside? Anyone?

Unless you have the high-end equipment and killer install to back up any of
the aforementioned decks (and the ears to hear the difference) then forget
which one sounds the best...you'll never know the difference. If that's the
case I would get the Eclipse. It's the best value and people swear by
them.

I personally own the C90 and couldn't be happier.

Tony




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"John Dziurlaj" > wrote in message
om...
> Hey All,
>
> I am currently considering a new deck, and wanted all the input I
> could get. I currently have a "top of the bottom line deck". It has 4v
> pre, BBE, 2 band parametric, I am fairly happy with it, but I feel it
> is time for a change. For me to step up I have to put down some pretty
> cash, so I have come to the experts (grin). I have done some research
> and have narrowed down my choices to Alpine, Clarion (drz/x9255),
> Eclipse (CD8454), McIntosh, and Nakamichi. The last two decks are
> interesting, as I have never heard of them, and they are expensive as
> hell. I listen to a lot of classic rock, with some random rap mixed
> in. Well enough bull****, here are my questions:
>
> What deck will give me the best SQ period. (in the eyes of a home
> audiophile)
> What deck will give me the best SQ (in the eyes of a car audiophile)
> What deck will last? (I hear Nakamichi and McIntoshes are quite
> unreliable)
> Does an external D/A converter really help?
> Are balanced connections worth the effort?
> Is there something I am missing?
>
> I really don't want to consider decks with built in power, as that
> isn't my style, but if theres a ball busting deck that has em, I guess
> I am willing to make a small exception.
>
> Thanks for all your help guys!
>
> John

Dave
July 31st 04, 05:36 AM
<snip happens>

> Well enough bull****, here are my questions:
>
> What deck will give me the best SQ period. (in the eyes of a home
> audiophile)

Nak '700.

> What deck will give me the best SQ (in the eyes of a car audiophile)

Nak '700

> What deck will last? (I hear Nakamichi and McIntoshes are quite
> unreliable)

That's a tossup. I've had a CD700 for almost 3 years and it NEVER gave me
problems. Other folks here weren't so lucky. Like Tony F., I owned the Sony
C90 and really, REALLY liked it, but the display was absolutely useless in
the daytime if you had a light colored interior. I also had the C910 before
that, Denons before that....etc. etc....Jeez, this can be an expensive
hobby! ;-)

> Does an external D/A converter really help?

It will IF you have a marginal d/a section to begin with. Or, if your ride
is noisy inside, don't waste your money.

> Are balanced connections worth the effort?

I used them with my Denon head units and it was dead silent, so balanced
DOES make sense in the noisy environment of car audio (electrically noisy, I
mean).

> Is there something I am missing?

Rhetorical question?
Seriously, I loved the sound of the CD700, but the tuner was average at
best. Also, I ran into a few CD-R's that it didn't like. However, that
analog volume control and the sound that came out of its d/a section was
absolutely beautiful.

dave

>
> I really don't want to consider decks with built in power, as that
> isn't my style, but if theres a ball busting deck that has em, I guess
> I am willing to make a small exception.
>
> Thanks for all your help guys!
>
> John

Les
July 31st 04, 07:25 AM
"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> <snip happens>
>
> > Well enough bull****, here are my questions:
> >
> > What deck will give me the best SQ period. (in the eyes of a home
> > audiophile)
>
> Nak '700.
>
> > What deck will give me the best SQ (in the eyes of a car audiophile)
>
> Nak '700

What differences is one supposed to hear? Especially in a car enviroment?
Have you ever looked at the actual specs relating all of these units? They
are well within the tolerances of human hearing.
>
> > What deck will last? (I hear Nakamichi and McIntoshes are quite
> > unreliable)
>
> That's a tossup. I've had a CD700 for almost 3 years and it NEVER gave me
> problems. Other folks here weren't so lucky. Like Tony F., I owned the
Sony
> C90 and really, REALLY liked it, but the display was absolutely useless in
> the daytime if you had a light colored interior. I also had the C910
before
> that, Denons before that....etc. etc....Jeez, this can be an expensive
> hobby! ;-)
>
> > Does an external D/A converter really help?
>
> It will IF you have a marginal d/a section to begin with. Or, if your ride
> is noisy inside, don't waste your money.

I don't think you are going to hear a difference whether or not the car is
considered quiet or noisy. Even a quiet car is still noisy.

>
> > Are balanced connections worth the effort?
>
> I used them with my Denon head units and it was dead silent, so balanced
> DOES make sense in the noisy environment of car audio (electrically noisy,
I
> mean).

Balanced makes sense when you are dealing with long runs. I can count the
number of noise related issues (induced, not ground loops) on one hand. And
half of those were symptoms not problems. Balanced is NOT neccesary in the
car. Installs are quiet without them already.


Base your decision on other things besides SQ. You have several good decks
and the car is a noisy enviroment. There are more important things to
cosider. Reliability, functionality, Tuner, cost, and even knobs vs buttons.
I would say that the look is more important than SQ. Basically choose a deck
that has the features and usability that you like.

Les

PB
July 31st 04, 03:41 PM
I would take a good look at the Rockford Fosgate 8250 available on
Sounddomain.com. It is a rebadged Denon deck, and it is a VERY nice
sounding deck. It has very few frills, but the sound is awesome.
"John Dziurlaj" > wrote in message
om...
> Hey All,
>
> I am currently considering a new deck, and wanted all the input I
> could get. I currently have a "top of the bottom line deck". It has 4v
> pre, BBE, 2 band parametric, I am fairly happy with it, but I feel it
> is time for a change. For me to step up I have to put down some pretty
> cash, so I have come to the experts (grin). I have done some research
> and have narrowed down my choices to Alpine, Clarion (drz/x9255),
> Eclipse (CD8454), McIntosh, and Nakamichi. The last two decks are
> interesting, as I have never heard of them, and they are expensive as
> hell. I listen to a lot of classic rock, with some random rap mixed
> in. Well enough bull****, here are my questions:
>
> What deck will give me the best SQ period. (in the eyes of a home
> audiophile)
> What deck will give me the best SQ (in the eyes of a car audiophile)
> What deck will last? (I hear Nakamichi and McIntoshes are quite
> unreliable)
> Does an external D/A converter really help?
> Are balanced connections worth the effort?
> Is there something I am missing?
>
> I really don't want to consider decks with built in power, as that
> isn't my style, but if theres a ball busting deck that has em, I guess
> I am willing to make a small exception.
>
> Thanks for all your help guys!
>
> John

W.Bryant
August 1st 04, 02:48 AM
Hi John,

I think they're all good choices. I would consider (in this order)
Clarion, Alpine and McIntosh-all very closely though. I'd let appearance
(blue displays are cool) and price (leave money for cables) separate
them since I think that they are practically identical in terms on SQ
and ease of use.

I have the clarion (9255-pinnacle of minimalism)and alpine (7996-tons of
features) currently, but never owned a McIntosh (due to price/feature
set), so I cannot comment on reliability. I think you'll be happy with
either.

PB wrote:

> I would take a good look at the Rockford Fosgate 8250 available on
> Sounddomain.com. It is a rebadged Denon deck, and it is a VERY nice
> sounding deck. It has very few frills, but the sound is awesome.
> "John Dziurlaj" > wrote in message
> om...
>
>>Hey All,
>>
>>I am currently considering a new deck, and wanted all the input I
>>could get. I currently have a "top of the bottom line deck". It has 4v
>>pre, BBE, 2 band parametric, I am fairly happy with it, but I feel it
>>is time for a change. For me to step up I have to put down some pretty
>>cash, so I have come to the experts (grin). I have done some research
>>and have narrowed down my choices to Alpine, Clarion (drz/x9255),
>>Eclipse (CD8454), McIntosh, and Nakamichi. The last two decks are
>>interesting, as I have never heard of them, and they are expensive as
>>hell. I listen to a lot of classic rock, with some random rap mixed
>>in. Well enough bull****, here are my questions:
>>
>>What deck will give me the best SQ period. (in the eyes of a home
>>audiophile)
>>What deck will give me the best SQ (in the eyes of a car audiophile)
>>What deck will last? (I hear Nakamichi and McIntoshes are quite
>>unreliable)
>>Does an external D/A converter really help?
>>Are balanced connections worth the effort?
>>Is there something I am missing?
>>
>>I really don't want to consider decks with built in power, as that
>>isn't my style, but if theres a ball busting deck that has em, I guess
>>I am willing to make a small exception.
>>
>>Thanks for all your help guys!
>>
>>John
>
>
>

smgreen1820
August 3rd 04, 01:15 PM
The clarion 9255 HANDS DOWN! It's a remake of the older 9255, that by
many car audio groups, was the best SQ/sounding deck made for car audio
to date, bach in 99. The z series is the new verson w/a few extras
thrown in. I'm also a VERY- VERY-*VERY*_VERY_ bid clarion freak,
they're the only head units I will use. I've found there SQ to be very
high, even aqgianst the likes of Alpine, Eclipse......, they also have
quit a bit of acsessories, Like DSP, 5.1, Navagation............ If it
wasn't for the "movie" aspect that I want in my truck, I'd be getting a
9255. Badass unit!


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