problems with iTunes . . .

[vlad]

I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.

It is iTunes on Windows.

1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
on of them, the slowest one.

2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
(fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.

First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.

So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order. I
assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3 in
digital domain and writes on HD.

Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?

If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
unexpected
places in hierarchy, making it unusable.

Thanks in advance for your help.

vlad

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
vlad > wrote:

> I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
>
> It is iTunes on Windows.
>
> 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
> on of them, the slowest one.
>
> 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
> (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
> even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
>
> First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
> defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
> side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
>
> So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order. I
> assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.

> in
> digital domain and writes on HD.
>
> Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
>
> If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> unexpected
> places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> vlad

I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy of
iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded the
latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You might try
updating both, as they were recently updated.

[vlad]

On Jul 22, 5:44 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > In article . com>,
> > vlad > wrote:
>
> >> I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> >> surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
>
> >> It is iTunes on Windows.
>
> >> 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
> >> on of them, the slowest one.
>
> >> 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
> >> (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
> >> even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
>
> >> First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
> >> defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
> >> side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
>
> >> So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order. I
> >> assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3
>
> > Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.
>
> >> in
> >> digital domain and writes on HD.
>
> >> Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
>
> >> If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> >> everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> >> unexpected
> >> places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
>
> >> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> >> vlad
>
> > I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy of
> > iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded the
> > latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You might try
> > updating both, as they were recently updated.
>


> As well as all your PC drivers. Sounds to me like a buffer underrun
> sort of issue since ripping with WinAmp works.

It seems like a reasonable explanation. Do you have any idea where
buffer overran can happen? Any resonable advice will save me time.

> Are you trying to convert straight off the CD?

Yes.

> You might create a wav file on your HD and then convert to
> MP3 with Itunes from there to see
> if you get the same problem.

Already tried it. WinAmp converts files perfectly and iTunes
imports them fine (no skipping). However most of text information
like, album, artist track name is either lost of corrupted. Too much
work to retype it.
>
> ScottW

[vlad]

On Jul 22, 5:30 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article . com>,
>
>
>
> vlad > wrote:
> > I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> > surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
>
> > It is iTunes on Windows.
>
> > 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
> > on of them, the slowest one.
>
> > 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
> > (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
> > even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
>
> > First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
> > defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
> > side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
>
> > So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order. I
> > assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3
>
> Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.
>
> > in
> > digital domain and writes on HD.
>
> > Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
>
> > If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> > everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> > unexpected
> > places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
>
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> > vlad
>
> I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy of
> iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded the
> latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You might try
> updating both, as they were recently updated.

I am updating iTunes whenever it offers me too. So I guess I have the
latest and greatest version of iTunes.
I guess this application is hopelessly buggy. ScottW made a reasonable
guess about what can be wrong with it.

Also the user interface of this application is dreadful. One could
expect better job from Apple.

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
vlad > wrote:

> On Jul 22, 5:30 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > vlad > wrote:
> > > I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> > > surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
> >
> > > It is iTunes on Windows.
> >
> > > 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
> > > on of them, the slowest one.
> >
> > > 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
> > > (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
> > > even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
> >
> > > First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
> > > defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
> > > side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
> >
> > > So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order. I
> > > assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3
> >
> > Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.
> >
> > > in
> > > digital domain and writes on HD.
> >
> > > Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
> >
> > > If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> > > everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> > > unexpected
> > > places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
> >
> > > Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > > vlad
> >
> > I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy of
> > iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded the
> > latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You might try
> > updating both, as they were recently updated.
>
> I am updating iTunes whenever it offers me too. So I guess I have the
> latest and greatest version of iTunes.
> I guess this application is hopelessly buggy.

I wouldn't give up; I've never heard such a report from anyone else.

> ScottW made a reasonable
> guess about what can be wrong with it.
>
> Also the user interface of this application is dreadful. One could
> expect better job from Apple.

[Jenn]

In article om>,
vlad > wrote:

> On Jul 22, 5:44 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >
> >
> > et...
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article . com>,
> > > vlad > wrote:
> >
> > >> I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> > >> surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
> >
> > >> It is iTunes on Windows.
> >
> > >> 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
> > >> on of them, the slowest one.
> >
> > >> 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
> > >> (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
> > >> even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
> >
> > >> First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
> > >> defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
> > >> side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
> >
> > >> So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order. I
> > >> assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3
> >
> > > Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.
> >
> > >> in
> > >> digital domain and writes on HD.
> >
> > >> Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
> >
> > >> If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> > >> everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> > >> unexpected
> > >> places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
> >
> > >> Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > >> vlad
> >
> > > I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy of
> > > iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded the
> > > latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You might try
> > > updating both, as they were recently updated.
> >
>
>
> > As well as all your PC drivers. Sounds to me like a buffer underrun
> > sort of issue since ripping with WinAmp works.
>
> It seems like a reasonable explanation. Do you have any idea where
> buffer overran can happen? Any resonable advice will save me time.
>
> > Are you trying to convert straight off the CD?
>
> Yes.
>
> > You might create a wav file on your HD and then convert to
> > MP3 with Itunes from there to see
> > if you get the same problem.
>
> Already tried it. WinAmp converts files perfectly and iTunes
> imports them fine (no skipping). However most of text information
> like, album, artist track name is either lost of corrupted. Too much
> work to retype it.

Can you see it trying to contact the database when you select "Get CD
Track Names"?

Just checking; is this your procedure?
In iTunes, insert CD
Get CD track names
create a playlist if not already done
select all of the tracks of the CD
drag the tracks into your playlist
update your iPod

[vlad]

On Jul 22, 10:46 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article om>,
>
>
>
> vlad > wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 5:44 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> >
> > > et...
>
> > > > In article . com>,
> > > > vlad > wrote:
>
> > > >> I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> > > >> surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
>
> > > >> It is iTunes on Windows.
>
> > > >> 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
> > > >> on of them, the slowest one.
>
> > > >> 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
> > > >> (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
> > > >> even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
>
> > > >> First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
> > > >> defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
> > > >> side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
>
> > > >> So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order. I
> > > >> assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3
>
> > > > Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.
>
> > > >> in
> > > >> digital domain and writes on HD.
>
> > > >> Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
>
> > > >> If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> > > >> everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> > > >> unexpected
> > > >> places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
>
> > > >> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> > > >> vlad
>
> > > > I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy of
> > > > iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded the
> > > > latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You might try
> > > > updating both, as they were recently updated.
>
> > > As well as all your PC drivers. Sounds to me like a buffer underrun
> > > sort of issue since ripping with WinAmp works.
>
> > It seems like a reasonable explanation. Do you have any idea where
> > buffer overran can happen? Any resonable advice will save me time.
>
> > > Are you trying to convert straight off the CD?
>
> > Yes.
>
> > > You might create a wav file on your HD and then convert to
> > > MP3 with Itunes from there to see
> > > if you get the same problem.
>
> > Already tried it. WinAmp converts files perfectly and iTunes
> > imports them fine (no skipping). However most of text information
> > like, album, artist track name is either lost of corrupted. Too much
> > work to retype it.
>
> Can you see it trying to contact the database when you select "Get CD
> Track Names"?
>
> Just checking; is this your procedure?
> In iTunes, insert CD
> Get CD track names
> create a playlist if not already done
> select all of the tracks of the CD
> drag the tracks into your playlist
> update your iPod

What does it have to do with anything. It is not my problem. I know
how rip CD's. iTune bags is my problem.
Try to rip Mahler's symphony that is spread on 2 CD's and then put it
in hierarchy so that you can play parts in sequence. And see how much
retyping you will have to do. No "drug and drop". As I said Apple
could do a better job on user interface in this program.

And also when they ported iTunes to PC why the hell they did not make
it conform to Window's standard. Because Machintosh's way is superior?
Pretty arrogant attitude in my view.

[Arny Krueger]

"vlad" > wrote in message
oups.com
> I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod.
> On the surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in
> CD-ROM, rip.
>
> It is iTunes on Windows.
>
> 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes
> recognizes only on of them, the slowest one.

Complain to Apple. Its software should recognize every drive and give you
the option to choose.

> 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have
> skips in them (fraction of the second pauses in a middle
> of the track). Few tracks even have missing pieces,
> repeated fragments, etc.

As others have pointed out, this is a problem with lost data.

> First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that
> that same defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data
> files. I listened them side by side (PC and iPod), they
> are identical.

IME, iPods are better products in general than iTunes is as a CD ripper.

> So, from there skips are coming?

iTunes is apparently not as good of a CD ripper as Winamp on your PC. The
problem could be your PC hardware especially the optical disc drives, or it
could be the configuration of your PC (i.e., not fast enough CPU, not enough
RAM), or it could be due to other software that is running on your PC at the
same time.

> Original CD's are in
> perfect order. I assume that iTunes reads digital file
> from CD, converts it to MP3 in digital domain and writes
> on HD.

That's what iTunes does, but there's no guarantee that it will do a perfect
job. iTunes does a lot of things, but does it do the best job of all them?

> Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?

> If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in
> iTunes, everything works fine. But iTunes places these
> tracks in most unexpected places in hierarchy, making it unusable.

I can see where iTunes would put the files into a different place in the
hierarchy, but there may be some way to control that by changing tags after
you load them into iTunes, etc.

Since Apple is in the business of selling tracks for download, their
motivation to support you loading your own tracks could be low.

[vlad]

Arnie, thanks for your kind response.

On Jul 23, 4:32 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "vlad" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com
>
> > I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod.
> > On the surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in
> > CD-ROM, rip.
>
> > It is iTunes on Windows.
>
> > 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes
> > recognizes only on of them, the slowest one.
>
> Complain to Apple. Its software should recognize every drive and give you
> the option to choose.
>

Yes, I will contact them today.

> > 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have
> > skips in them (fraction of the second pauses in a middle
> > of the track). Few tracks even have missing pieces,
> > repeated fragments, etc.
>
> As others have pointed out, this is a problem with lost data.
>
> > First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that
> > that same defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data
> > files. I listened them side by side (PC and iPod), they
> > are identical.
>
> IME, iPods are better products in general than iTunes is as a CD ripper.
>
> > So, from there skips are coming?
>
> iTunes is apparently not as good of a CD ripper as Winamp on your PC. The
> problem could be your PC hardware especially the optical disc drives, or it
> could be the configuration of your PC (i.e., not fast enough CPU, not enough
> RAM), or it could be due to other software that is running on your PC at the
> same time.
>

3.0 gigaherz Athlon with 2 gigabytes of memory. And I make sure that
this is the only application running.

It can have lousy codec, but at least it must be able to read data
from CD and process them without skippings. Is it too much to ask?

. . .
>
> I can see where iTunes would put the files into a different place in the
> hierarchy, but there may be some way to control that by changing tags after
> you load them into iTunes, etc.
>

You are right about it. Unfortunately changing tags in iTunes means
typing them manually. And God forbids if you did one character wrong.
That is what I mean by dreadful user interface.

> Since Apple is in the business of selling tracks for download, their
> motivation to support you loading your own tracks could be low.

I agree with you about that.

Mac's crowd loves to brag about superiority of Apple software. It
looks like iTunes is counter example to that.

vlad

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
vlad > wrote:

> On Jul 22, 10:46 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article om>,
> >
> >
> >
> > vlad > wrote:
> > > On Jul 22, 5:44 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >
> > >
> > > >y.n
> > > > et...
> >
> > > > > In article . com>,
> > > > > vlad > wrote:
> >
> > > > >> I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> > > > >> surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
> >
> > > > >> It is iTunes on Windows.
> >
> > > > >> 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
> > > > >> on of them, the slowest one.
> >
> > > > >> 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
> > > > >> (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
> > > > >> even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
> >
> > > > >> First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
> > > > >> defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
> > > > >> side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
> >
> > > > >> So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order.
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3
> >
> > > > > Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.
> >
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> digital domain and writes on HD.
> >
> > > > >> Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
> >
> > > > >> If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> > > > >> everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> > > > >> unexpected
> > > > >> places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
> >
> > > > >> Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > > > >> vlad
> >
> > > > > I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy of
> > > > > iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded the
> > > > > latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You might
> > > > > try
> > > > > updating both, as they were recently updated.
> >
> > > > As well as all your PC drivers. Sounds to me like a buffer underrun
> > > > sort of issue since ripping with WinAmp works.
> >
> > > It seems like a reasonable explanation. Do you have any idea where
> > > buffer overran can happen? Any resonable advice will save me time.
> >
> > > > Are you trying to convert straight off the CD?
> >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > > > You might create a wav file on your HD and then convert to
> > > > MP3 with Itunes from there to see
> > > > if you get the same problem.
> >
> > > Already tried it. WinAmp converts files perfectly and iTunes
> > > imports them fine (no skipping). However most of text information
> > > like, album, artist track name is either lost of corrupted. Too much
> > > work to retype it.
> >
> > Can you see it trying to contact the database when you select "Get CD
> > Track Names"?
> >
> > Just checking; is this your procedure?
> > In iTunes, insert CD
> > Get CD track names
> > create a playlist if not already done
> > select all of the tracks of the CD
> > drag the tracks into your playlist
> > update your iPod
>
> What does it have to do with anything. It is not my problem. I know
> how rip CD's. iTune bags is my problem.
> Try to rip Mahler's symphony that is spread on 2 CD's and then put it
> in hierarchy so that you can play parts in sequence. And see how much
> retyping you will have to do. No "drug and drop". As I said Apple
> could do a better job on user interface in this program.

I do that all the time with no problem whatsoever. In fact, I recently
uploaded all of the Mahler symphonies into iTunes then into my iPod with
no typing needed.

I would say that the problem is, as Arny and Scott have said to me
concerning software problems, "operator error".

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
vlad > wrote:

> Arnie, thanks for your kind response.
>
> On Jul 23, 4:32 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > "vlad" > wrote in message
> >
> > oups.com
> >
> > > I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod.
> > > On the surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in
> > > CD-ROM, rip.
> >
> > > It is iTunes on Windows.
> >
> > > 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes
> > > recognizes only on of them, the slowest one.
> >
> > Complain to Apple. Its software should recognize every drive and give you
> > the option to choose.
> >
>
> Yes, I will contact them today.
>
> > > 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have
> > > skips in them (fraction of the second pauses in a middle
> > > of the track). Few tracks even have missing pieces,
> > > repeated fragments, etc.
> >
> > As others have pointed out, this is a problem with lost data.
> >
> > > First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that
> > > that same defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data
> > > files. I listened them side by side (PC and iPod), they
> > > are identical.
> >
> > IME, iPods are better products in general than iTunes is as a CD ripper.
> >
> > > So, from there skips are coming?
> >
> > iTunes is apparently not as good of a CD ripper as Winamp on your PC. The
> > problem could be your PC hardware especially the optical disc drives, or it
> > could be the configuration of your PC (i.e., not fast enough CPU, not enough
> > RAM), or it could be due to other software that is running on your PC at the
> > same time.
> >
>
> 3.0 gigaherz Athlon with 2 gigabytes of memory. And I make sure that
> this is the only application running.
>
> It can have lousy codec, but at least it must be able to read data
> from CD and process them without skippings. Is it too much to ask?
>
> . . .
> >
> > I can see where iTunes would put the files into a different place in the
> > hierarchy, but there may be some way to control that by changing tags after
> > you load them into iTunes, etc.
> >
>
> You are right about it. Unfortunately changing tags in iTunes means
> typing them manually.

How does one change tags in other software?

[vlad]

On Jul 23, 9:31 am, Jenn > wrote:
> In article . com>,
>
>
>
> vlad > wrote:
> > Arnie, thanks for your kind response.
>
> > On Jul 23, 4:32 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > "vlad" > wrote in message
>
> > oups.com
>
> > > > I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod.
> > > > On the surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in
> > > > CD-ROM, rip.
>
> > > > It is iTunes on Windows.
>
> > > > 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes
> > > > recognizes only on of them, the slowest one.
>
> > > Complain to Apple. Its software should recognize every drive and give you
> > > the option to choose.
>
> > Yes, I will contact them today.
>
> > > > 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have
> > > > skips in them (fraction of the second pauses in a middle
> > > > of the track). Few tracks even have missing pieces,
> > > > repeated fragments, etc.
>
> > > As others have pointed out, this is a problem with lost data.
>
> > > > First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that
> > > > that same defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data
> > > > files. I listened them side by side (PC and iPod), they
> > > > are identical.
>
> > > IME, iPods are better products in general than iTunes is as a CD ripper.
>
> > > > So, from there skips are coming?
>
> > > iTunes is apparently not as good of a CD ripper as Winamp on your PC. The
> > > problem could be your PC hardware especially the optical disc drives, or it
> > > could be the configuration of your PC (i.e., not fast enough CPU, not enough
> > > RAM), or it could be due to other software that is running on your PC at the
> > > same time.
>
> > 3.0 gigaherz Athlon with 2 gigabytes of memory. And I make sure that
> > this is the only application running.
>
> > It can have lousy codec, but at least it must be able to read data
> > from CD and process them without skippings. Is it too much to ask?
>
> > . . .
>
> > > I can see where iTunes would put the files into a different place in the
> > > hierarchy, but there may be some way to control that by changing tags after
> > > you load them into iTunes, etc.
>
> > You are right about it. Unfortunately changing tags in iTunes means
> > typing them manually.
>
> How does one change tags in other software?

Ever heard about "drag and drop" paradigm?

That's funny that to Mac user retyping tags again and again seem
normal.

vlad

[vlad]

On Jul 23, 9:30 am, Jenn > wrote:
> In article . com>,
>
>
>
> vlad > wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 10:46 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article om>,
>
> > > vlad > wrote:
> > > > On Jul 22, 5:44 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > > >
> > > > >y.n
> > > > > et...
>
> > > > > > In article . com>,
> > > > > > vlad > wrote:
>
> > > > > >> I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> > > > > >> surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
>
> > > > > >> It is iTunes on Windows.
>
> > > > > >> 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes only
> > > > > >> on of them, the slowest one.
>
> > > > > >> 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in them
> > > > > >> (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few tracks
> > > > > >> even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
>
> > > > > >> First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that same
> > > > > >> defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened them
> > > > > >> side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
>
> > > > > >> So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect order.
> > > > > >> I
> > > > > >> assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to MP3
>
> > > > > > Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.
>
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >> digital domain and writes on HD.
>
> > > > > >> Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
>
> > > > > >> If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> > > > > >> everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> > > > > >> unexpected
> > > > > >> places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
>
> > > > > >> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> > > > > >> vlad
>
> > > > > > I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy of
> > > > > > iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded the
> > > > > > latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You might
> > > > > > try
> > > > > > updating both, as they were recently updated.
>
> > > > > As well as all your PC drivers. Sounds to me like a buffer underrun
> > > > > sort of issue since ripping with WinAmp works.
>
> > > > It seems like a reasonable explanation. Do you have any idea where
> > > > buffer overran can happen? Any resonable advice will save me time.
>
> > > > > Are you trying to convert straight off the CD?
>
> > > > Yes.
>
> > > > > You might create a wav file on your HD and then convert to
> > > > > MP3 with Itunes from there to see
> > > > > if you get the same problem.
>
> > > > Already tried it. WinAmp converts files perfectly and iTunes
> > > > imports them fine (no skipping). However most of text information
> > > > like, album, artist track name is either lost of corrupted. Too much
> > > > work to retype it.
>
> > > Can you see it trying to contact the database when you select "Get CD
> > > Track Names"?
>
> > > Just checking; is this your procedure?
> > > In iTunes, insert CD
> > > Get CD track names
> > > create a playlist if not already done
> > > select all of the tracks of the CD
> > > drag the tracks into your playlist
> > > update your iPod
>
> > What does it have to do with anything. It is not my problem. I know
> > how rip CD's. iTune bags is my problem.
> > Try to rip Mahler's symphony that is spread on 2 CD's and then put it
> > in hierarchy so that you can play parts in sequence. And see how much
> > retyping you will have to do. No "drug and drop". As I said Apple
> > could do a better job on user interface in this program.
>
> I do that all the time with no problem whatsoever. In fact, I recently
> uploaded all of the Mahler symphonies into iTunes then into my iPod with
> no typing needed.
>

Probably your were downloading different set than I did. Last I
checked there is more then one set of Mahler symphonies on the market.
If your CD set is neatly packed on CD's (one symphony per CD, all tags
are matching) then
I would not have troubles too.

Also I am not a Mac user, so my expectations of the quality are
not limited by Apple's universe.

> I would say that the problem is, as Arny and Scott have said to me
> concerning software problems, "operator error".

Do you imply that I did not spend enough time learning "superior"
Apple software?

vlad

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
vlad > wrote:

> On Jul 23, 9:30 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > vlad > wrote:
> > > On Jul 22, 10:46 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article om>,
> >
> > > > vlad > wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 22, 5:44 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > > > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > >odig
> > > > > >y.n
> > > > > > et...
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > . com>,
> > > > > > > vlad > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod. On the
> > > > > > >> surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in CD-ROM, rip.
> >
> > > > > > >> It is iTunes on Windows.
> >
> > > > > > >> 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes recognizes
> > > > > > >> only
> > > > > > >> on of them, the slowest one.
> >
> > > > > > >> 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have skips in
> > > > > > >> them
> > > > > > >> (fraction of the second pauses in a middle of the track). Few
> > > > > > >> tracks
> > > > > > >> even have missing pieces, repeated fragments, etc.
> >
> > > > > > >> First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that that
> > > > > > >> same
> > > > > > >> defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data files. I listened
> > > > > > >> them
> > > > > > >> side by side (PC and iPod), they are identical.
> >
> > > > > > >> So, from there skips are coming? Original CD's are in perfect
> > > > > > >> order.
> > > > > > >> I
> > > > > > >> assume that iTunes reads digital file from CD, converts it to
> > > > > > >> MP3
> >
> > > > > > > Maybe, maybe not. It depends on your preference settings.
> >
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >> digital domain and writes on HD.
> >
> > > > > > >> Does anybody know how to avoid these skips?
> >
> > > > > > >> If I rip CD tracks using WinAmp and then import them in iTunes,
> > > > > > >> everything works fine. But iTunes places these tracks in most
> > > > > > >> unexpected
> > > > > > >> places in hierarchy, making it unusable.
> >
> > > > > > >> Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > > > > > >> vlad
> >
> > > > > > > I've never had that problem. One guess might be a corrupted copy
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > iTunes? iTunes for Windows is pretty buggy. Have you downloaded
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > latest version, as well as the latest software for iPod? You
> > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > updating both, as they were recently updated.
> >
> > > > > > As well as all your PC drivers. Sounds to me like a buffer
> > > > > > underrun
> > > > > > sort of issue since ripping with WinAmp works.
> >
> > > > > It seems like a reasonable explanation. Do you have any idea
> > > > > where
> > > > > buffer overran can happen? Any resonable advice will save me time.
> >
> > > > > > Are you trying to convert straight off the CD?
> >
> > > > > Yes.
> >
> > > > > > You might create a wav file on your HD and then convert to
> > > > > > MP3 with Itunes from there to see
> > > > > > if you get the same problem.
> >
> > > > > Already tried it. WinAmp converts files perfectly and iTunes
> > > > > imports them fine (no skipping). However most of text information
> > > > > like, album, artist track name is either lost of corrupted. Too much
> > > > > work to retype it.
> >
> > > > Can you see it trying to contact the database when you select "Get CD
> > > > Track Names"?
> >
> > > > Just checking; is this your procedure?
> > > > In iTunes, insert CD
> > > > Get CD track names
> > > > create a playlist if not already done
> > > > select all of the tracks of the CD
> > > > drag the tracks into your playlist
> > > > update your iPod
> >
> > > What does it have to do with anything. It is not my problem. I know
> > > how rip CD's. iTune bags is my problem.
> > > Try to rip Mahler's symphony that is spread on 2 CD's and then put it
> > > in hierarchy so that you can play parts in sequence. And see how much
> > > retyping you will have to do. No "drug and drop". As I said Apple
> > > could do a better job on user interface in this program.
> >
> > I do that all the time with no problem whatsoever. In fact, I recently
> > uploaded all of the Mahler symphonies into iTunes then into my iPod with
> > no typing needed.
> >
>
> Probably your were downloading different set than I did. Last I
> checked there is more then one set of Mahler symphonies on the market.
> If your CD set is neatly packed on CD's (one symphony per CD, all tags
> are matching) then
> I would not have troubles too.
>
> Also I am not a Mac user, so my expectations of the quality are
> not limited by Apple's universe.
>
> > I would say that the problem is, as Arny and Scott have said to me
> > concerning software problems, "operator error".
>
> Do you imply that I did not spend enough time learning "superior"
> Apple software?
>
> vlad

I've had absolutely no problems with this or any other Apple software.

I'm just trying to help. Describe for me what happens with your Mahler
set IRT tags.

[Jenn]

In article om>,
vlad > wrote:

> On Jul 23, 9:31 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > vlad > wrote:
> > > Arnie, thanks for your kind response.
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 4:32 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > > "vlad" > wrote in message
> >
> > > oups.com
> >
> > > > > I am trying to put my CD library into my new shiny iPod.
> > > > > On the surface it looks easy: - start iTunes, put CD in
> > > > > CD-ROM, rip.
> >
> > > > > It is iTunes on Windows.
> >
> > > > > 1) I have two CD readers, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. iTunes
> > > > > recognizes only on of them, the slowest one.
> >
> > > > Complain to Apple. Its software should recognize every drive and give
> > > > you
> > > > the option to choose.
> >
> > > Yes, I will contact them today.
> >
> > > > > 2) many tracks when I am listening them on iPod have
> > > > > skips in them (fraction of the second pauses in a middle
> > > > > of the track). Few tracks even have missing pieces,
> > > > > repeated fragments, etc.
> >
> > > > As others have pointed out, this is a problem with lost data.
> >
> > > > > First I thought my iPod is faulty, then I noticed that
> > > > > that same defects are in tracks on PC in iTunes data
> > > > > files. I listened them side by side (PC and iPod), they
> > > > > are identical.
> >
> > > > IME, iPods are better products in general than iTunes is as a CD
> > > > ripper.
> >
> > > > > So, from there skips are coming?
> >
> > > > iTunes is apparently not as good of a CD ripper as Winamp on your PC.
> > > > The
> > > > problem could be your PC hardware especially the optical disc drives,
> > > > or it
> > > > could be the configuration of your PC (i.e., not fast enough CPU, not
> > > > enough
> > > > RAM), or it could be due to other software that is running on your PC
> > > > at the
> > > > same time.
> >
> > > 3.0 gigaherz Athlon with 2 gigabytes of memory. And I make sure that
> > > this is the only application running.
> >
> > > It can have lousy codec, but at least it must be able to read data
> > > from CD and process them without skippings. Is it too much to ask?
> >
> > > . . .
> >
> > > > I can see where iTunes would put the files into a different place in
> > > > the
> > > > hierarchy, but there may be some way to control that by changing tags
> > > > after
> > > > you load them into iTunes, etc.
> >
> > > You are right about it. Unfortunately changing tags in iTunes means
> > > typing them manually.
> >
> > How does one change tags in other software?
>
> Ever heard about "drag and drop" paradigm?
>
> That's funny that to Mac user retyping tags again and again seem
> normal.
>
> vlad

I don't retype tags again and again. I've never had to do that. I
insert the disk, if tags are in the database, it downloads them. Pretty
easy.