Suggestions for 6x9's

[Mariachi]

I'm looking for a 6x9 that has excellent (next to top of the line)
midrange quality, accurate highs, and can get clean loud bass if
needed. The power range I'm looking for is either a 4 ohm 100Wx2 or 2
ohm ~125Wx2. Now I already looked around over the internet to get a
glimpse of what is out there, I'm just asking what have other people
used. I willing to spend 100-250 dollars. 275 dollars is the absolute
limit though.

I was thinking of getting the Infinity Kappas 692.7i... anybody have
any other suggestions?
I prefer a 2-way over 3 or 4 ways.

[Nick and Tina]

The best 6x9's I EVER heard in my entire life were the 797's (I think that
was the model number) from Boston Accoustics. They REALLY sang AND they
could produce a surprising amount of bass. BA may still make EXCELLENT
6x9's.

However, as most people buy 6x9's to replace worn out or crappy stock
speakers, manufacturers of after-market 6X9's typically DO NOT employ their
best technologies, and it shows in SQ.

Part of the reaason is the shape of the speaker itself. I ASSURE you,
Detroit came up with the 6x9 (to sqeeze more cone area in a restrictive
amount of space), NOT audio engineers. An engineer would tell you that you
want equall distance from all parts of the cone to the voice coil (were're
talking about a circle here). Think about it, even using the stiffest
material for the cone, when the voice coil moves, it will move the 6"
distance a tiny, tiny bit faster than the 9" distance. This can create
slight intermodal distortion effects that although may not be audible by
most people, it certainly discourages engineers from investing a lot of time
and money improving the 6x9 when you will ALWAYS have this problem to start
with.

If I were you, I would get a really good set of 6.5" seperates. Makers such
as JL have created 6.5" drivers that rival the bass response of good 6x9's,
but the REAL benefit is in sound quality improvements over 6x9's. They make
templates that fit over 6x9 holes and accomodate 6.5" (or 6") drivers and
the tweeter. You want to make sure you have an airtight seal whichever way
you go. Ditch the 6x9's.

Anyway, that's my $.02.

MOSFET

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I'm looking for a 6x9 that has excellent (next to top of the line)
> midrange quality, accurate highs, and can get clean loud bass if
> needed. The power range I'm looking for is either a 4 ohm 100Wx2 or 2
> ohm ~125Wx2. Now I already looked around over the internet to get a
> glimpse of what is out there, I'm just asking what have other people
> used. I willing to spend 100-250 dollars. 275 dollars is the absolute
> limit though.
>
> I was thinking of getting the Infinity Kappas 692.7i... anybody have
> any other suggestions?
> I prefer a 2-way over 3 or 4 ways.
>

[Matt Ion]

Nick and Tina wrote:

> If I were you, I would get a really good set of 6.5" seperates. Makers such
> as JL have created 6.5" drivers that rival the bass response of good 6x9's,
> but the REAL benefit is in sound quality improvements over 6x9's. They make
> templates that fit over 6x9 holes and accomodate 6.5" (or 6") drivers and
> the tweeter. You want to make sure you have an airtight seal whichever way
> you go. Ditch the 6x9's.

I'll second that one.

[Mariachi]

On Jul 21, 8:48 pm, "Nick and Tina" > wrote:
> The best 6x9's I EVER heard in my entire life were the 797's (I think that
> was the model number) from Boston Accoustics. They REALLY sang AND they
> could produce a surprising amount of bass. BA may still make EXCELLENT
> 6x9's.
>
> However, as most people buy 6x9's to replace worn out or crappy stock
> speakers, manufacturers of after-market 6X9's typically DO NOT employ their
> best technologies, and it shows in SQ.
>
> Part of the reaason is the shape of the speaker itself. I ASSURE you,
> Detroit came up with the 6x9 (to sqeeze more cone area in a restrictive
> amount of space), NOT audio engineers. An engineer would tell you that you
> want equall distance from all parts of the cone to the voice coil (were're
> talking about a circle here). Think about it, even using the stiffest
> material for the cone, when the voice coil moves, it will move the 6"
> distance a tiny, tiny bit faster than the 9" distance. This can create
> slight intermodal distortion effects that although may not be audible by
> most people, it certainly discourages engineers from investing a lot of time
> and money improving the 6x9 when you will ALWAYS have this problem to start
> with.
>
> If I were you, I would get a really good set of 6.5" seperates. Makers such
> as JL have created 6.5" drivers that rival the bass response of good 6x9's,
> but the REAL benefit is in sound quality improvements over 6x9's. They make
> templates that fit over 6x9 holes and accomodate 6.5" (or 6") drivers and
> the tweeter. You want to make sure you have an airtight seal whichever way
> you go. Ditch the 6x9's.
>
> Anyway, that's my $.02.
>
> MOSFET
>
> "Mariachi" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > I'm looking for a 6x9 that has excellent (next to top of the line)
> > midrange quality, accurate highs, and can get clean loud bass if
> > needed. The power range I'm looking for is either a 4 ohm 100Wx2 or 2
> > ohm ~125Wx2. Now I already looked around over the internet to get a
> > glimpse of what is out there, I'm just asking what have other people
> > used. I willing to spend 100-250 dollars. 275 dollars is the absolute
> > limit though.
>
> > I was thinking of getting the Infinity Kappas 692.7i... anybody have
> > any other suggestions?
> > I prefer a 2-way over 3 or 4 ways.

I just got Soundstream 6x9's Tarantula series.. and they sound so
sweet and they are not even broken in yet. They have a lot of bass
for a 6x9 but not as much as a sub. I don't really want that much
bass in a 6x9 anyways. I'm planning on getting a good set of 6.5" for
my front doors.

[MOSFET]

I'm glad you are happy with your purchase. Even though I recommended not
going the 6X9 route, I ALWAYS like it when people are pleased with what they
bought.

Also, if you are planning in the future to put in good seperates up front,
you may be able to low-pass your 6X9's so that they really ONLY produce
bass, and then let your good front speakers be your MAIN source of sound (as
is said many, many times, no one goes to a concert and then turns around to
face the back wall), sound SHOULD always seem like it is coming from in
front of you, not behind, though bass is omnidirectional which is why we can
get away with putting subs or any low-frequency drivers in the rear of our
cars because if crossed over correctly (like below 80Hz), they will actually
sound as if they are coming from in the front.

Sounds like you have been bitten by the bug! Welcome to the party!

MOSFET


"Mariachi" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 21, 8:48 pm, "Nick and Tina" > wrote:
> > The best 6x9's I EVER heard in my entire life were the 797's (I think
that
> > was the model number) from Boston Accoustics. They REALLY sang AND they
> > could produce a surprising amount of bass. BA may still make EXCELLENT
> > 6x9's.
> >
> > However, as most people buy 6x9's to replace worn out or crappy stock
> > speakers, manufacturers of after-market 6X9's typically DO NOT employ
their
> > best technologies, and it shows in SQ.
> >
> > Part of the reaason is the shape of the speaker itself. I ASSURE you,
> > Detroit came up with the 6x9 (to sqeeze more cone area in a restrictive
> > amount of space), NOT audio engineers. An engineer would tell you that
you
> > want equall distance from all parts of the cone to the voice coil
(were're
> > talking about a circle here). Think about it, even using the stiffest
> > material for the cone, when the voice coil moves, it will move the 6"
> > distance a tiny, tiny bit faster than the 9" distance. This can create
> > slight intermodal distortion effects that although may not be audible by
> > most people, it certainly discourages engineers from investing a lot of
time
> > and money improving the 6x9 when you will ALWAYS have this problem to
start
> > with.
> >
> > If I were you, I would get a really good set of 6.5" seperates. Makers
such
> > as JL have created 6.5" drivers that rival the bass response of good
6x9's,
> > but the REAL benefit is in sound quality improvements over 6x9's. They
make
> > templates that fit over 6x9 holes and accomodate 6.5" (or 6") drivers
and
> > the tweeter. You want to make sure you have an airtight seal whichever
way
> > you go. Ditch the 6x9's.
> >
> > Anyway, that's my $.02.
> >
> > MOSFET
> >
> > "Mariachi" > wrote in message
> >
> > ups.com...
> >
> > > I'm looking for a 6x9 that has excellent (next to top of the line)
> > > midrange quality, accurate highs, and can get clean loud bass if
> > > needed. The power range I'm looking for is either a 4 ohm 100Wx2 or 2
> > > ohm ~125Wx2. Now I already looked around over the internet to get a
> > > glimpse of what is out there, I'm just asking what have other people
> > > used. I willing to spend 100-250 dollars. 275 dollars is the absolute
> > > limit though.
> >
> > > I was thinking of getting the Infinity Kappas 692.7i... anybody have
> > > any other suggestions?
> > > I prefer a 2-way over 3 or 4 ways.
>
> I just got Soundstream 6x9's Tarantula series.. and they sound so
> sweet and they are not even broken in yet. They have a lot of bass
> for a 6x9 but not as much as a sub. I don't really want that much
> bass in a 6x9 anyways. I'm planning on getting a good set of 6.5" for
> my front doors.
>
>

[Mariachi]

On Aug 4, 5:41 pm, "MOSFET" > wrote:
> I'm glad you are happy with your purchase. Even though I recommended not
> going the 6X9 route, I ALWAYS like it when people are pleased with what they
> bought.
>
> Also, if you are planning in the future to put in good seperates up front,
> you may be able to low-pass your 6X9's so that they really ONLY produce
> bass, and then let your good front speakers be your MAIN source of sound (as
> is said many, many times, no one goes to a concert and then turns around to
> face the back wall), sound SHOULD always seem like it is coming from in
> front of you, not behind, though bass is omnidirectional which is why we can
> get away with putting subs or any low-frequency drivers in the rear of our
> cars because if crossed over correctly (like below 80Hz), they will actually
> sound as if they are coming from in the front.
>
> Sounds like you have been bitten by the bug! Welcome to the party!
>
> MOSFET
>
> "Mariachi" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > On Jul 21, 8:48 pm, "Nick and Tina" > wrote:
> > > The best 6x9's I EVER heard in my entire life were the 797's (I think
> that
> > > was the model number) from Boston Accoustics. They REALLY sang AND they
> > > could produce a surprising amount of bass. BA may still make EXCELLENT
> > > 6x9's.
>
> > > However, as most people buy 6x9's to replace worn out or crappy stock
> > > speakers, manufacturers of after-market 6X9's typically DO NOT employ
> their
> > > best technologies, and it shows in SQ.
>
> > > Part of the reaason is the shape of the speaker itself. I ASSURE you,
> > > Detroit came up with the 6x9 (to sqeeze more cone area in a restrictive
> > > amount of space), NOT audio engineers. An engineer would tell you that
> you
> > > want equall distance from all parts of the cone to the voice coil
> (were're
> > > talking about a circle here). Think about it, even using the stiffest
> > > material for the cone, when the voice coil moves, it will move the 6"
> > > distance a tiny, tiny bit faster than the 9" distance. This can create
> > > slight intermodal distortion effects that although may not be audible by
> > > most people, it certainly discourages engineers from investing a lot of
> time
> > > and money improving the 6x9 when you will ALWAYS have this problem to
> start
> > > with.
>
> > > If I were you, I would get a really good set of 6.5" seperates. Makers
> such
> > > as JL have created 6.5" drivers that rival the bass response of good
> 6x9's,
> > > but the REAL benefit is in sound quality improvements over 6x9's. They
> make
> > > templates that fit over 6x9 holes and accomodate 6.5" (or 6") drivers
> and
> > > the tweeter. You want to make sure you have an airtight seal whichever
> way
> > > you go. Ditch the 6x9's.
>
> > > Anyway, that's my $.02.
>
> > > MOSFET
>
> > > "Mariachi" > wrote in message
>
> > ups.com...
>
> > > > I'm looking for a 6x9 that has excellent (next to top of the line)
> > > > midrange quality, accurate highs, and can get clean loud bass if
> > > > needed. The power range I'm looking for is either a 4 ohm 100Wx2 or 2
> > > > ohm ~125Wx2. Now I already looked around over the internet to get a
> > > > glimpse of what is out there, I'm just asking what have other people
> > > > used. I willing to spend 100-250 dollars. 275 dollars is the absolute
> > > > limit though.
>
> > > > I was thinking of getting the Infinity Kappas 692.7i... anybody have
> > > > any other suggestions?
> > > > I prefer a 2-way over 3 or 4 ways.
>
> > I just got Soundstream 6x9's Tarantula series.. and they sound so
> > sweet and they are not even broken in yet. They have a lot of bass
> > for a 6x9 but not as much as a sub. I don't really want that much
> > bass in a 6x9 anyways. I'm planning on getting a good set of 6.5" for
> > my front doors.

I appreciate the advice about not going the 6x9 route and I do tend to
agree with you that manufacturer's do not spend much research
development time on 6x9's because of the intermodal distortion. Later
on though, I will replace the 6x9's with well built high wattage 6.5"
2-way speakers (like J/L, etc...) just to see how it sounds. Thanks
for the advice. Point taken.