Sony Car Audio

[Guest[_2_]]

Are they exiting the business? They used to have the ES series, that's
gone. Then they put the car audio lineup on Crutchfield, now that's gone.
Now, they have an Xplod site, but there is but so much on there. Are they
giving up?

[Mariachi]

On Jul 10, 1:34 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
> Are they exiting the business? They used to have the ES series, that's
> gone. Then they put the car audio lineup on Crutchfield, now that's gone.
> Now, they have an Xplod site, but there is but so much on there. Are they
> giving up?

I definitely think it is too early to say that Sony is exiting the car
audio business... seeing that they are starting to sell SACD head
units now and they just came out with their HD radio receiver
attachment. Maybe they are just changing the way they are doing
things and are getting ready to release a lot of new products.

I know for sure that Sony is not a little name in the car audio
business and they have quite a stance in it. And I know that they
have a lot of devoted fans who are faithful to buying their car audio
products. But I do think they need to move foward and build higher
quality products instead of low end cheap stuff. I think their head
units is their stronghold in the car audio business.

[Captain Howdy[_3_]]

Trash trash trash..........


In article om>, Mariachi
> wrote:
>On Jul 10, 1:34 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
>> Are they exiting the business? They used to have the ES series, that's
>> gone. Then they put the car audio lineup on Crutchfield, now that's gone.
>> Now, they have an Xplod site, but there is but so much on there. Are they
>> giving up?
>
>I definitely think it is too early to say that Sony is exiting the car
>audio business... seeing that they are starting to sell SACD head
>units now and they just came out with their HD radio receiver
>attachment. Maybe they are just changing the way they are doing
>things and are getting ready to release a lot of new products.
>
>I know for sure that Sony is not a little name in the car audio
>business and they have quite a stance in it. And I know that they
>have a lot of devoted fans who are faithful to buying their car audio
>products. But I do think they need to move foward and build higher
>quality products instead of low end cheap stuff. I think their head
>units is their stronghold in the car audio business.
>

[Mariachi]

On Jul 12, 10:18 pm, (Captain Howdy) wrote:
> Trash trash trash..........
>
> In article om>, Mariachi
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jul 10, 1:34 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
> >> Are they exiting the business? They used to have the ES series, that's
> >> gone. Then they put the car audio lineup on Crutchfield, now that's gone.
> >> Now, they have an Xplod site, but there is but so much on there. Are they
> >> giving up?
>
> >I definitely think it is too early to say that Sony is exiting the car
> >audio business... seeing that they are starting to sell SACD head
> >units now and they just came out with their HD radio receiver
> >attachment. Maybe they are just changing the way they are doing
> >things and are getting ready to release a lot of new products.
>
> >I know for sure that Sony is not a little name in the car audio
> >business and they have quite a stance in it. And I know that they
> >have a lot of devoted fans who are faithful to buying their car audio
> >products. But I do think they need to move foward and build higher
> >quality products instead of low end cheap stuff. I think their head
> >units is their stronghold in the car audio business.

I would recommend staying away from all Sony products...

[bob wald]

sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!

[El Kabong]

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>
slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!

Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and over.

Avoid Sony garbage!

El

[Mariachi]

On Jul 15, 1:48 pm, "El Kabong" > wrote:
> "bob wald" > wrote in message
>
> ...> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>
> slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!
>
> Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and over.
>
> Avoid Sony garbage!
>
> El

Ah, come on... you have to give Sony some credit... at least they try
to rip people off.

[Duct Tape[_12_]]

Guest Wrote:
> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
> news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
> >
> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
> >>
> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the
> slicee!
> >
> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
> over.
> >
> > Avoid Sony garbage!
> >
> > El
> >
>
>
>
> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate
> the
> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the
> rest
> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates
> Manhattan for
> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
> business
> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
> someone
> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to
> be
> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver.
> It has
> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
> Arsenal
> that was noisy and weak on the stations.


i have been in the electronics industry for almost half of my life.
about 8 years of that was installing car audio products.

at one point, sony did make a great product for car audio. it was
called Sony Mobile ES. when they did away with that lineup of
products, they turned into a product that was more about being flashy
than good.

they market their products well, they are cheap, and they look flashy.
these are reasons why they are still in business. you dont have to
make a good product to stay in business. just take a look at Bose if
you dont believe me. ;)

about the only thing i would purchase as far as sony car audio is
concerned, is their head units. amps, speakers, and subs? hell no, i
wouldnt put them in my vehicle if they were given to me.


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"El Kabong" > wrote in message
news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>
> "bob wald" > wrote in message
> ...
>> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>>
> slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!
>
> Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and over.
>
> Avoid Sony garbage!
>
> El
>

I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate the
#1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the rest
of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates Manhattan for
being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of business
or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always someone
better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to be
the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver. It has
the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC Arsenal
that was noisy and weak on the stations.

[Duct Tape[_13_]]

Guest Wrote:
> "Duct Tape" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Guest Wrote:
> >> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
> >> news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
> >> >
> >> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
> >> >>
> >> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the
> >> slicee!
> >> >
> >> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over
> and
> >> over.
> >> >
> >> > Avoid Sony garbage!
> >> >
> >> > El
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate
> >> the
> >> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and
> the
> >> rest
> >> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates
> >> Manhattan for
> >> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
> >> business
> >> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is
> always
> >> someone
> >> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has
> to
> >> be
> >> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW
> receiver.
> >> It has
> >> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
> >> Arsenal
> >> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
> >
> >
> > i have been in the electronics industry for almost half of my life.
> > about 8 years of that was installing car audio products.
> >
> > at one point, sony did make a great product for car audio. it was
> > called Sony Mobile ES. when they did away with that lineup of
> > products, they turned into a product that was more about being
> flashy
> > than good.
> >
> > they market their products well, they are cheap, and they look
> flashy.
> > these are reasons why they are still in business. you dont have to
> > make a good product to stay in business. just take a look at Bose
> if
> > you dont believe me. ;)
> >
> > about the only thing i would purchase as far as sony car audio is
> > concerned, is their head units. amps, speakers, and subs? hell no,
> i
> > wouldnt put them in my vehicle if they were given to me.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Duct Tape
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ok, speakers and subs I can understand, but the amps? Their amps
> sounded
> good to me. Now I have an Infinity(6-channel) amp and I thinking
> about
> going back to a Sony or something. Their amps and head units have
> specs
> that are hard to beat. You would have to spend about $1,000 to get all
> of
> those specs from other brands. Plus, the tuners are strong. Eclipse
> and
> Alpine have weak tuners.

what specs are you talking about? they put a maximum power rating
right on the case of the amp. the max ratings are meaningless. there
are better amps out there for the money.

if i was concerned about radio reception, i would go with a pioneer
over any other brand of head unit.


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"Duct Tape" > wrote in message
...
>
> Guest Wrote:
>> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>> news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>> >
>> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>> >>
>> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the
>> slicee!
>> >
>> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
>> over.
>> >
>> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>> >
>> > El
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate
>> the
>> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the
>> rest
>> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates
>> Manhattan for
>> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
>> business
>> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
>> someone
>> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to
>> be
>> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver.
>> It has
>> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
>> Arsenal
>> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>
>
> i have been in the electronics industry for almost half of my life.
> about 8 years of that was installing car audio products.
>
> at one point, sony did make a great product for car audio. it was
> called Sony Mobile ES. when they did away with that lineup of
> products, they turned into a product that was more about being flashy
> than good.
>
> they market their products well, they are cheap, and they look flashy.
> these are reasons why they are still in business. you dont have to
> make a good product to stay in business. just take a look at Bose if
> you dont believe me. ;)
>
> about the only thing i would purchase as far as sony car audio is
> concerned, is their head units. amps, speakers, and subs? hell no, i
> wouldnt put them in my vehicle if they were given to me.
>
>
> --
> Duct Tape
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok, speakers and subs I can understand, but the amps? Their amps sounded
good to me. Now I have an Infinity(6-channel) amp and I thinking about
going back to a Sony or something. Their amps and head units have specs
that are hard to beat. You would have to spend about $1,000 to get all of
those specs from other brands. Plus, the tuners are strong. Eclipse and
Alpine have weak tuners.

[Guest[_2_]]

"Duct Tape" > wrote in message
...
>
> Guest Wrote:
>> "Duct Tape" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Guest Wrote:
>> >> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>> >> news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>> >> >
>> >> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>> >> >>
>> >> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the
>> >> slicee!
>> >> >
>> >> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over
>> and
>> >> over.
>> >> >
>> >> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>> >> >
>> >> > El
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate
>> >> the
>> >> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and
>> the
>> >> rest
>> >> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates
>> >> Manhattan for
>> >> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
>> >> business
>> >> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is
>> always
>> >> someone
>> >> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has
>> to
>> >> be
>> >> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW
>> receiver.
>> >> It has
>> >> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
>> >> Arsenal
>> >> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>> >
>> >
>> > i have been in the electronics industry for almost half of my life.
>> > about 8 years of that was installing car audio products.
>> >
>> > at one point, sony did make a great product for car audio. it was
>> > called Sony Mobile ES. when they did away with that lineup of
>> > products, they turned into a product that was more about being
>> flashy
>> > than good.
>> >
>> > they market their products well, they are cheap, and they look
>> flashy.
>> > these are reasons why they are still in business. you dont have to
>> > make a good product to stay in business. just take a look at Bose
>> if
>> > you dont believe me. ;)
>> >
>> > about the only thing i would purchase as far as sony car audio is
>> > concerned, is their head units. amps, speakers, and subs? hell no,
>> i
>> > wouldnt put them in my vehicle if they were given to me.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Duct Tape
>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Ok, speakers and subs I can understand, but the amps? Their amps
>> sounded
>> good to me. Now I have an Infinity(6-channel) amp and I thinking
>> about
>> going back to a Sony or something. Their amps and head units have
>> specs
>> that are hard to beat. You would have to spend about $1,000 to get all
>> of
>> those specs from other brands. Plus, the tuners are strong. Eclipse
>> and
>> Alpine have weak tuners.
>
> what specs are you talking about? they put a maximum power rating
> right on the case of the amp. the max ratings are meaningless. there
> are better amps out there for the money.
>
> if i was concerned about radio reception, i would go with a pioneer
> over any other brand of head unit.
>
>
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Well, the Sony is only 2nd to Pioneer in radio reception. I never go by
maximum power as it is not real world power. I go by the RMS which was I
think, 70x4. This was an older Xplod that I had. The one that looks like
the current marine one.

[Captain Howdy[_3_]]

That is just too funny.Sony head units are okay while they work. Their amps
are nothing but trash right out of the box. A couple of years ago I had a sony
amp on my repair bench with a few blown mosfets, To make a long story short
when removing the mosfets the mainboard traces started to peel off the
mainboard. Not even Jensen or profile amps are built as poorly.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Ok, speakers and subs I can understand, but the amps? Their amps sounded
>good to me. Now I have an Infinity(6-channel) amp and I thinking about
>going back to a Sony or something. Their amps and head units have specs
>that are hard to beat. You would have to spend about $1,000 to get all of
>those specs from other brands. Plus, the tuners are strong. Eclipse and
>Alpine have weak tuners.
>

[Guest[_2_]]

"Captain Howdy" > wrote in message
...
> That is just too funny.Sony head units are okay while they work. Their
> amps
> are nothing but trash right out of the box. A couple of years ago I had a
> sony
> amp on my repair bench with a few blown mosfets, To make a long story
> short
> when removing the mosfets the mainboard traces started to peel off the
> mainboard. Not even Jensen or profile amps are built as poorly.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Ok, speakers and subs I can understand, but the amps? Their amps sounded
>>good to me. Now I have an Infinity(6-channel) amp and I thinking about
>>going back to a Sony or something. Their amps and head units have specs
>>that are hard to beat. You would have to spend about $1,000 to get all of
>>those specs from other brands. Plus, the tuners are strong. Eclipse and
>>Alpine have weak tuners.
>>


Well, their car audio is still in effect, but years ago they used to make
tons more. Their top 3 models are the only ones that even look good. I did
get mine and it's build quality (I have not installed yet, waiting on my HD
Radio tuner) is high quality to me. It is even superior to the JVC Arsenal
and Kenwood Excelon. It also looks high-tech, but simple. the S/N ratio is
the best without spending crazy amounts of money.

[Mariachi]

On Jul 17, 5:37 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>
> news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>
>
>
> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>
> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!
>
> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and over.
>
> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>
> > El
>
> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate the
> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the rest
> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates Manhattan for
> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of business
> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always someone
> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to be
> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver. It has
> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC Arsenal
> that was noisy and weak on the stations.

lol... you are comparing Sony to Microsoft... Microsoft is actually
worse than Sony, since Sony has more competition with other
companies. It's been proven that the more competition there is, the
better quality and lower price the products are.

I'm not saying that Sony's products completely suck... it's just that
a lot of products are cheap crap that go bad in like a year or two
after the warranty expires. Sony has some pretty good head units...
depending on what you get. I was actually looking in to their new
SACD head units... but I wouldn't recommend buying their amps, subs,
or speakers for that matter.

[Mariachi]

On Jul 18, 2:01 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
> "Duct Tape" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Guest Wrote:
> >> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
> >>news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>
> >> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>
> >> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the
> >> slicee!
>
> >> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
> >> over.
>
> >> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>
> >> > El
>
> >> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate
> >> the
> >> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the
> >> rest
> >> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates
> >> Manhattan for
> >> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
> >> business
> >> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
> >> someone
> >> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to
> >> be
> >> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver.
> >> It has
> >> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
> >> Arsenal
> >> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>
> > i have been in the electronics industry for almost half of my life.
> > about 8 years of that was installing car audio products.
>
> > at one point, sony did make a great product for car audio. it was
> > called Sony Mobile ES. when they did away with that lineup of
> > products, they turned into a product that was more about being flashy
> > than good.
>
> > they market their products well, they are cheap, and they look flashy.
> > these are reasons why they are still in business. you dont have to
> > make a good product to stay in business. just take a look at Bose if
> > you dont believe me. ;)
>
> > about the only thing i would purchase as far as sony car audio is
> > concerned, is their head units. amps, speakers, and subs? hell no, i
> > wouldnt put them in my vehicle if they were given to me.
>
> > --
> > Duct Tape
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ok, speakers and subs I can understand, but the amps? Their amps sounded
> good to me. Now I have an Infinity(6-channel) amp and I thinking about
> going back to a Sony or something. Their amps and head units have specs
> that are hard to beat. You would have to spend about $1,000 to get all of
> those specs from other brands. Plus, the tuners are strong. Eclipse and
> Alpine have weak tuners.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wrong, Sony's tuners are average at best. I had a cheap old VR3...
and the reception from that head unit gave me 3 times stronger
reception than the Sony one I have now. Sony's CD sound quality is
good from their headunits, but still you can get better for the
price.

[Guest[_2_]]

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 17, 5:37 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
>> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>>
>> news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>>
>> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!
>>
>> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
>> > over.
>>
>> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>>
>> > El
>>
>> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate the
>> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the
>> rest
>> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates Manhattan
>> for
>> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
>> business
>> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
>> someone
>> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to be
>> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver. It
>> has
>> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
>> Arsenal
>> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>
> lol... you are comparing Sony to Microsoft... Microsoft is actually
> worse than Sony, since Sony has more competition with other
> companies. It's been proven that the more competition there is, the
> better quality and lower price the products are.
>
> I'm not saying that Sony's products completely suck... it's just that
> a lot of products are cheap crap that go bad in like a year or two
> after the warranty expires. Sony has some pretty good head units...
> depending on what you get. I was actually looking in to their new
> SACD head units... but I wouldn't recommend buying their amps, subs,
> or speakers for that matter.
>


You are just hating or you don't know how to care of you stuff. I have a
minidisc (home deck) that I had since 1999. It survived a fire an water
damage and it is still ticking. Only the remote could not be revived. The
same for a Sony ES receiver I had. Those were the last Sony products I
bought until this head unit and the new Blu Ray player. I prefer Panasonic
in digital video, but they were late in coming out with theirs.

All things break if you don't know how to take care of them. Some people
don't change the oil in their cars. Some people don't clean their homes.
Some people don't wash their asses. If you are like that, then you should
expect things to break.

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>> ...
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>> > Guest Wrote:
>> >> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>> >>news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>>
>> >> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>>
>> >> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the
>> >> slicee!
>>
>> >> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
>> >> over.
>>
>> >> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>>
>> >> > El
>>
>> >> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate
>> >> the
>> >> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and
>> >> the
>> >> rest
>> >> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates
>> >> Manhattan for
>> >> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
>> >> business
>> >> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
>> >> someone
>> >> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to
>> >> be
>> >> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver.
>> >> It has
>> >> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
>> >> Arsenal
>> >> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>>
>> > i have been in the electronics industry for almost half of my life.
>> > about 8 years of that was installing car audio products.
>>
>> > at one point, sony did make a great product for car audio. it was
>> > called Sony Mobile ES. when they did away with that lineup of
>> > products, they turned into a product that was more about being flashy
>> > than good.
>>
>> > they market their products well, they are cheap, and they look flashy.
>> > these are reasons why they are still in business. you dont have to
>> > make a good product to stay in business. just take a look at Bose if
>> > you dont believe me. ;)
>>
>> > about the only thing i would purchase as far as sony car audio is
>> > concerned, is their head units. amps, speakers, and subs? hell no, i
>> > wouldnt put them in my vehicle if they were given to me.
>>
>> > --
>> > Duct Tape
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Ok, speakers and subs I can understand, but the amps? Their amps sounded
>> good to me. Now I have an Infinity(6-channel) amp and I thinking about
>> going back to a Sony or something. Their amps and head units have specs
>> that are hard to beat. You would have to spend about $1,000 to get all
>> of
>> those specs from other brands. Plus, the tuners are strong. Eclipse and
>> Alpine have weak tuners.- Hide quoted text -
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>
> Wrong, Sony's tuners are average at best. I had a cheap old VR3...
> and the reception from that head unit gave me 3 times stronger
> reception than the Sony one I have now. Sony's CD sound quality is
> good from their headunits, but still you can get better for the
> price.
>


I am just going by the specs. I have not installed it but I will tomorrow.
Then again, the HD Radio tuner will be doing the work so I will never know.
I live in CT so I get a great deal of radio stations from NYC, LI, NJ and as
far up as Hartford. So I have a lot to choose from. This is why I prefer
to have a good tuner. The JVC Arsenal tuner was worst than what I had in my
stock 2005 Accord! I just don't expect things like that. All but one of my
stations is in HD.

Cheap people buy cheap head units, but people who want quality or who think
that they are buying quality go for Alpines, Pioneers and sometimes Eclipse.
I turned some onto JVC, now I have turned myself away from them. I wanted
HD Radio, plus high end features. This was the best combo I could come up
with.

[Mariachi]

On Jul 19, 2:02 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
> "Mariachi" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 5:37 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
> >> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>
> >>news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>
> >> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>
> >> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!
>
> >> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
> >> > over.
>
> >> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>
> >> > El
>
> >> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate the
> >> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the
> >> rest
> >> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates Manhattan
> >> for
> >> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
> >> business
> >> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
> >> someone
> >> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to be
> >> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver. It
> >> has
> >> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
> >> Arsenal
> >> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>
> > lol... you are comparing Sony to Microsoft... Microsoft is actually
> > worse than Sony, since Sony has more competition with other
> > companies. It's been proven that the more competition there is, the
> > better quality and lower price the products are.
>
> > I'm not saying that Sony's products completely suck... it's just that
> > a lot of products are cheap crap that go bad in like a year or two
> > after the warranty expires. Sony has some pretty good head units...
> > depending on what you get. I was actually looking in to their new
> > SACD head units... but I wouldn't recommend buying their amps, subs,
> > or speakers for that matter.
>
> You are just hating or you don't know how to care of you stuff. I have a
> minidisc (home deck) that I had since 1999. It survived a fire an water
> damage and it is still ticking. Only the remote could not be revived. The
> same for a Sony ES receiver I had. Those were the last Sony products I
> bought until this head unit and the new Blu Ray player. I prefer Panasonic
> in digital video, but they were late in coming out with theirs.
>
> All things break if you don't know how to take care of them. Some people
> don't change the oil in their cars. Some people don't clean their homes.
> Some people don't wash their asses. If you are like that, then you should
> expect things to break.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

If you buy a crappy product, it doesn't matter how well you take care
of it... it sucks. You might as well throw it away in the garbage.
If you have anything Sony in car audio, I would suggest you throw it
away or sell it some other fool (with the exception of their head
units). Sony's speakers are junk, subs are junk, amps are junk....
ultimate trash, you'll go broke buying their products and in the end
you feel like you have been jipped.

[Guest[_2_]]

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 19, 2:02 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
>> "Mariachi" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 17, 5:37 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
>> >> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>>
>> >> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>>
>> >> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the
>> >> > slicee!
>>
>> >> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
>> >> > over.
>>
>> >> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>>
>> >> > El
>>
>> >> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate
>> >> the
>> >> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and
>> >> the
>> >> rest
>> >> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates
>> >> Manhattan
>> >> for
>> >> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
>> >> business
>> >> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
>> >> someone
>> >> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to
>> >> be
>> >> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver.
>> >> It
>> >> has
>> >> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
>> >> Arsenal
>> >> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>>
>> > lol... you are comparing Sony to Microsoft... Microsoft is actually
>> > worse than Sony, since Sony has more competition with other
>> > companies. It's been proven that the more competition there is, the
>> > better quality and lower price the products are.
>>
>> > I'm not saying that Sony's products completely suck... it's just that
>> > a lot of products are cheap crap that go bad in like a year or two
>> > after the warranty expires. Sony has some pretty good head units...
>> > depending on what you get. I was actually looking in to their new
>> > SACD head units... but I wouldn't recommend buying their amps, subs,
>> > or speakers for that matter.
>>
>> You are just hating or you don't know how to care of you stuff. I have a
>> minidisc (home deck) that I had since 1999. It survived a fire an water
>> damage and it is still ticking. Only the remote could not be revived.
>> The
>> same for a Sony ES receiver I had. Those were the last Sony products I
>> bought until this head unit and the new Blu Ray player. I prefer
>> Panasonic
>> in digital video, but they were late in coming out with theirs.
>>
>> All things break if you don't know how to take care of them. Some people
>> don't change the oil in their cars. Some people don't clean their homes.
>> Some people don't wash their asses. If you are like that, then you
>> should
>> expect things to break.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> If you buy a crappy product, it doesn't matter how well you take care
> of it... it sucks. You might as well throw it away in the garbage.
> If you have anything Sony in car audio, I would suggest you throw it
> away or sell it some other fool (with the exception of their head
> units). Sony's speakers are junk, subs are junk, amps are junk....
> ultimate trash, you'll go broke buying their products and in the end
> you feel like you have been jipped.
>


Actually, I installed and I am very happy with the sound and the looks. The
quality is on point. The sound is very clear and robust. I thought the
remote would be corny, but it is more comfortable than the JVC's. I am
satisfied. Now the HD Radio tuner is another thing. I am not exactly
hearing CD quality sound on the FM and FM quality sound on the AM. In fact,
I could not find an HD AM station. I may return that. I do like the
station ID, song/artist display...

[El Kabong]

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 17, 5:37 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
>> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>>
>> news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>>
>> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!
>>
>> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
>> > over.
>>
>> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>>
>> > El
>>
>> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate the
>> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the
>> rest
>> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates Manhattan
>> for
>> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
>> business
>> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
>> someone
>> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to be
>> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver. It
>> has
>> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
>> Arsenal
>> that was noisy and weak on the stations.

I really don't give a rat's rectum if sony is number 32... they have a
verifiable track record of deliberately trashing their customers' equipment
to protect their already obscene profits. Why would anyone want to buy meat
for double its value from a butcher who has been proven to intentionally
poison his products?

You're correct, there are better manufacturers out there and intelligent
buyers will use them. It is only consumer ignorance that keeps sony in
business.

El

[Guest[_2_]]

"El Kabong" > wrote in message
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>
> "Mariachi" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On Jul 17, 5:37 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
>>> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>>>
>>> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!
>>>
>>> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
>>> > over.
>>>
>>> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>>>
>>> > El
>>>
>>> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate the
>>> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the
>>> rest
>>> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates Manhattan
>>> for
>>> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
>>> business
>>> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
>>> someone
>>> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to
>>> be
>>> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver. It
>>> has
>>> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
>>> Arsenal
>>> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>
> I really don't give a rat's rectum if sony is number 32... they have a
> verifiable track record of deliberately trashing their customers'
> equipment to protect their already obscene profits. Why would anyone want
> to buy meat for double its value from a butcher who has been proven to
> intentionally poison his products?
>
> You're correct, there are better manufacturers out there and intelligent
> buyers will use them. It is only consumer ignorance that keeps sony in
> business.
>
> El
>

Nah, it's people like who have hate for companies that know what they are
doing. Stop the hate and accept what is. I like my head unit. It make may
songs sound like they should. Start forming a line to hate for HD Radio and
I can join you on that one!

[Mariachi]

On Jul 22, 12:42 am, "Guest" > wrote:
> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>
> news:Kproi.416$Ub7.77@trnddc04...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Mariachi" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >> On Jul 17, 5:37 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
> >>> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>
> >>>news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>
> >>> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>
> >>> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the slicee!
>
> >>> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
> >>> > over.
>
> >>> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>
> >>> > El
>
> >>> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate the
> >>> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and the
> >>> rest
> >>> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates Manhattan
> >>> for
> >>> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
> >>> business
> >>> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
> >>> someone
> >>> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has to
> >>> be
> >>> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver. It
> >>> has
> >>> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
> >>> Arsenal
> >>> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>
> > I really don't give a rat's rectum if sony is number 32... they have a
> > verifiable track record of deliberately trashing their customers'
> > equipment to protect their already obscene profits. Why would anyone want
> > to buy meat for double its value from a butcher who has been proven to
> > intentionally poison his products?
>
> > You're correct, there are better manufacturers out there and intelligent
> > buyers will use them. It is only consumer ignorance that keeps sony in
> > business.
>
> > El
>
> Nah, it's people like who have hate for companies that know what they are
> doing. Stop the hate and accept what is. I like my head unit. It make may
> songs sound like they should. Start forming a line to hate for HD Radio and
> I can join you on that one!

You seriously don't get me at all. I don't hate Sony, I just hate
Sony's car audio speakers, subs, and amps; they suck. I like Sony's
head units, Sony's SACD, and Sony's professional studio headphones.
Sony has some good stuff, and really bad stuff. It all depends on
what you get.

You can buy all of Sony's junk crap car speakers if you want, but I
would choose something else. I'm just giving you my opinion. Take it
or leave it.

[Guest[_2_]]

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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> On Jul 22, 12:42 am, "Guest" > wrote:
>> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>>
>> news:Kproi.416$Ub7.77@trnddc04...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Mariachi" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >> On Jul 17, 5:37 pm, "Guest" > wrote:
>> >>> "El Kabong" > wrote in message
>>
>> >>>news:H5tmi.5928$LH5.1178@trnddc02...
>>
>> >>> > "bob wald" > wrote in message
>> >>> ...
>> >>> >> sony is on the cutting edge of future designs of car audio!
>>
>> >>> > slicing and dicing is more like it... and the consumer is the
>> >>> > slicee!
>>
>> >>> > Sony cares nothing for their customer and has proven that over and
>> >>> > over.
>>
>> >>> > Avoid Sony garbage!
>>
>> >>> > El
>>
>> >>> I see, Sony hating just like Microsoft hating. People seem to hate
>> >>> the
>> >>> #1's, just like the rest of the world hates the US for being #1 and
>> >>> the
>> >>> rest
>> >>> of the US hates NYC for being number and the rest of NYC hates
>> >>> Manhattan
>> >>> for
>> >>> being number one! If Sony's products sucked, they would be out of
>> >>> business
>> >>> or have the rep of Sanyo, Coby or even an RCA! Sure there is always
>> >>> someone
>> >>> better (I like JVC and Panasonic on the video end), but someone has
>> >>> to
>> >>> be
>> >>> the top dog. I just put my order in for a Sony CDX-GT81UW receiver.
>> >>> It
>> >>> has
>> >>> the looks, specs and features that I want. I am coming from a JVC
>> >>> Arsenal
>> >>> that was noisy and weak on the stations.
>>
>> > I really don't give a rat's rectum if sony is number 32... they have a
>> > verifiable track record of deliberately trashing their customers'
>> > equipment to protect their already obscene profits. Why would anyone
>> > want
>> > to buy meat for double its value from a butcher who has been proven to
>> > intentionally poison his products?
>>
>> > You're correct, there are better manufacturers out there and
>> > intelligent
>> > buyers will use them. It is only consumer ignorance that keeps sony in
>> > business.
>>
>> > El
>>
>> Nah, it's people like who have hate for companies that know what they are
>> doing. Stop the hate and accept what is. I like my head unit. It make
>> may
>> songs sound like they should. Start forming a line to hate for HD Radio
>> and
>> I can join you on that one!
>
> You seriously don't get me at all. I don't hate Sony, I just hate
> Sony's car audio speakers, subs, and amps; they suck. I like Sony's
> head units, Sony's SACD, and Sony's professional studio headphones.
> Sony has some good stuff, and really bad stuff. It all depends on
> what you get.
>
> You can buy all of Sony's junk crap car speakers if you want, but I
> would choose something else. I'm just giving you my opinion. Take it
> or leave it.
>


Oh. I know their speakers suck (home or car). I have Kappas for my
speakers. As for the head unit, I love it more everyday. The sound is
right and so are the looks.

[bob wald]

haHAHahahA...blaupunk is the best in stereo reception i think. n
profile amps are built solid....
i own both.....
everyone cuts corners on making products..

[El Kabong]

"Guest" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Oh. I know their speakers suck (home or car). I have Kappas for my
> speakers. As for the head unit, I love it more everyday. The sound is
> right and so are the looks.

If sony made the best products in the world, I would never buy them. I don't
"hate" them... they hate me and every one who buys their products. They
proved that with rootkit.

They don't deserve one penny of our money.

El

[Guest[_2_]]

"El Kabong" > wrote in message
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>
> "Guest" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> Oh. I know their speakers suck (home or car). I have Kappas for my
>> speakers. As for the head unit, I love it more everyday. The sound is
>> right and so are the looks.
>
> If sony made the best products in the world, I would never buy them. I
> don't "hate" them... they hate me and every one who buys their products.
> They proved that with rootkit.
>
> They don't deserve one penny of our money.
>
> El
>

Politics. I loved every Sony product I ever had except a $200 Walkman I had
in the early 90's that broke rather early. They supposedly fixed it via
their warranty, but it was back to the same thing after a minute of play.