Rega P1 turntable

[Jenn]

Great to see Rega come out with very affordable unit. I like the sound
of Rega TTs and arms, but I wish that they didn't all run fast. That is
what kept me from buying one a couple of years ago when I was shopping.

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
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> Great to see Rega come out with very affordable unit. I like the sound
> of Rega TTs and arms, but I wish that they didn't all run fast. That is
> what kept me from buying one a couple of years ago when I was shopping.

I don't know how one can form an opinion on the sound of TT and arm
when the sound of the cart will swamp both...especially if poorly matched
to the arm.

I also can't imagine how one can form a favorable opinion without
correcting the pitch error first.
BTW, when I heard a P25..I noticed no obvious pitch error.
Nor does the owner of one here.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-44637.html

A few report this upgrade helps....but I'd verify the diameter is in fact
larger than the stock subplatter before banking on it.

http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/detail.asp?cat=&sku=ADEEPGROOVE

ScottW

[Jenn]

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"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > Great to see Rega come out with very affordable unit. I like the sound
> > of Rega TTs and arms, but I wish that they didn't all run fast. That is
> > what kept me from buying one a couple of years ago when I was shopping.
>
> I don't know how one can form an opinion on the sound of TT and arm
> when the sound of the cart will swamp both...especially if poorly matched
> to the arm.

You try to audition each TT with the same cartridge, if possible. I did
that when I bought my TT.

>
> I also can't imagine how one can form a favorable opinion without
> correcting the pitch error first.

As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of contention
for me. I liked other aspects of them though.

> BTW, when I heard a P25..I noticed no obvious pitch error.
> Nor does the owner of one here.
>
> http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-44637.html

Well, one person didn't, but several others in your link seem to hear or
measure it.

>
> A few report this upgrade helps....but I'd verify the diameter is in fact
> larger than the stock subplatter before banking on it.
>
> http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/detail.asp?cat=&sku=ADEEPGROOVE
>
> ScottW

[ScottW]

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>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
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>> ...
>> > Great to see Rega come out with very affordable unit. I like the sound
>> > of Rega TTs and arms, but I wish that they didn't all run fast. That is
>> > what kept me from buying one a couple of years ago when I was shopping.
>>
>> I don't know how one can form an opinion on the sound of TT and arm
>> when the sound of the cart will swamp both...especially if poorly matched
>> to the arm.
>
> You try to audition each TT with the same cartridge, if possible. I did
> that when I bought my TT.

Sorry, but that won't work unless equivalent arm mass is at least
similar.
TTs, Arms, and carts are such dependent variables that only
comparisons of complete systems can have meaning.
Unless one wanted to fix one variable and then compare the others.
For instance...given a high compliance cart like a V15, what
arms sound best? Of course many medium/high mass arms
are simply excluded even though with a lower compliance cart,
they would be great.

>
>>
>> I also can't imagine how one can form a favorable opinion without
>> correcting the pitch error first.
>
> As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of contention
> for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>
>> BTW, when I heard a P25..I noticed no obvious pitch error.
>> Nor does the owner of one here.
>>
>> http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-44637.html
>
> Well, one person didn't, but several others in your link seem to hear or
> measure it.

Mostly P3 owners...the P25 to CD comparison has too many
undefined variables but initially he found the difference inaudible.
It was only his accumulated timing error test revealed a difference.
I don't find that convincing since there is so much opportunity for
slight timing error in the vinyl production process.

ScottW

[MiNe 109]

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et>,
Jenn > wrote:

> As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of contention
> for me. I liked other aspects of them though.

The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin tone
from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it from
my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.

The P25 is said to improve on this.

Stephen

[Jenn]

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MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> et>,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of contention
> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>
> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin tone
> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it from
> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>
> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>
> Stephen

Agreed on all counts.

[ScottW]

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> MiNe 109 > wrote:
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>> In article
>>
>> et>,
>> Jenn > wrote:
>>
>> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of contention
>> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>>
>> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin tone
>> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it from
>> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>>
>> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>>
>> Stephen
>
> Agreed on all counts.

Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
run fast as a recent post asserted.
What a relief.

ScottW

[MiNe 109]

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>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >>
> >> et>,
> >> Jenn > wrote:
> >>
> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of contention
> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
> >>
> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin tone
> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it from
> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
> >>
> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >
> > Agreed on all counts.
>
> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
> run fast as a recent post asserted.
> What a relief.

Let's not read too much into a quick generalization.

Stephen

[Jenn]

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> > In article >,
> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >>
> >> et>,
> >> Jenn > wrote:
> >>
> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of contention
> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
> >>
> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin tone
> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it from
> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
> >>
> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >
> > Agreed on all counts.
>
> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
> run fast as a recent post asserted.
> What a relief.
>
> ScottW

Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is SAID to
improve on this.

[ScottW]

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>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article
>> >>
>> >> et>,
>> >> Jenn > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of contention
>> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>> >>
>> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin tone
>> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it from
>> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>> >>
>> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>> >>
>> >> Stephen
>> >
>> > Agreed on all counts.
>>
>> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
>> run fast as a recent post asserted.
>> What a relief.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is SAID to
> improve on this.

So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
Any with outboard power supply?

ScottW

[Jenn]

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> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article
> >> >>
> >> >> et>,
> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of
> >> >> > contention
> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
> >> >>
> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin tone
> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it
> >> >> from
> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
> >> >>
> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Stephen
> >> >
> >> > Agreed on all counts.
> >>
> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
> >> What a relief.
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is SAID to
> > improve on this.
>
> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?

All of them, I think.

> Any with outboard power supply?

Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe the
P25.

[ScottW]

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>> >> >
>> >> >> In article
>> >> >>
>> >> >> et>,
>> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of
>> >> >> > contention
>> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin tone
>> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stephen
>> >> >
>> >> > Agreed on all counts.
>> >>
>> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
>> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
>> >> What a relief.
>> >>
>> >> ScottW
>> >
>> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is SAID to
>> > improve on this.
>>
>> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
>
> All of them, I think.
>
>> Any with outboard power supply?
>
> Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe the
> P25.

I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know that you
agree something has been SAID.
Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?

ScottW

[Jenn]

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> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >> >> >
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> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> y.n
> >> >> >> et>,
> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of
> >> >> >> > contention
> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin
> >> >> >> tone
> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Stephen
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
> >> >> What a relief.
> >> >>
> >> >> ScottW
> >> >
> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is SAID to
> >> > improve on this.
> >>
> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
> >
> > All of them, I think.
> >
> >> Any with outboard power supply?
> >
> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe the
> > P25.
>
> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know that you
> agree something has been SAID.
> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
>
> ScottW

Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.

[ScottW]

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>> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> In article
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> y.n
>> >> >> >> et>,
>> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of
>> >> >> >> > contention
>> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin
>> >> >> >> tone
>> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about it
>> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Stephen
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
>> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
>> >> >> What a relief.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >
>> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is SAID to
>> >> > improve on this.
>> >>
>> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
>> >
>> > All of them, I think.
>> >
>> >> Any with outboard power supply?
>> >
>> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe the
>> > P25.
>>
>> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know that you
>> agree something has been SAID.
>> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
>>
>> ScottW
>
> Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.

That's deep. So what can't be ignored?

ScottW

[Jenn]

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> >> >> >
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> >> >> >> net
> >> >> >> ...
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> >> >> >> > >,
> >> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> In article
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> dig
> >> >> >> >> y.n
> >> >> >> >> et>,
> >> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of
> >> >> >> >> > contention
> >> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin
> >> >> >> >> tone
> >> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Stephen
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
> >> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
> >> >> >> What a relief.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ScottW
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is SAID
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > improve on this.
> >> >>
> >> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
> >> >
> >> > All of them, I think.
> >> >
> >> >> Any with outboard power supply?
> >> >
> >> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe the
> >> > P25.
> >>
> >> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know that you
> >> agree something has been SAID.
> >> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.
>
> That's deep. So what can't be ignored?
>
> ScottW

Uh, whatever you wish to ignore?

[ScottW]

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>> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
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>> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> ...
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>> >> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> In article
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> dig
>> >> >> >> >> y.n
>> >> >> >> >> et>,
>> >> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of
>> >> >> >> >> > contention
>> >> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of thin
>> >> >> >> >> tone
>> >> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all about
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Stephen
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
>> >> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
>> >> >> >> What a relief.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is SAID
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > improve on this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
>> >> >
>> >> > All of them, I think.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Any with outboard power supply?
>> >> >
>> >> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe the
>> >> > P25.
>> >>
>> >> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know that you
>> >> agree something has been SAID.
>> >> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
>> >>
>> >> ScottW
>> >
>> > Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.
>>
>> That's deep. So what can't be ignored?
>>
>> ScottW
>
> Uh, whatever you wish to ignore?

What you wish to ignore can't be ignored!
Given your lifetime of effort, do you think you've had some
influence on our education system or is there still
hope?

ScottW

[Jenn]

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> >> >> >> >> >> pro
> >> >> >> >> >> dig
> >> >> >> >> >> y.n
> >> >> >> >> >> et>,
> >> >> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of
> >> >> >> >> >> > contention
> >> >> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of
> >> >> >> >> >> thin
> >> >> >> >> >> tone
> >> >> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all
> >> >> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
> >> >> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
> >> >> >> >> What a relief.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> ScottW
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is
> >> >> >> > SAID
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > improve on this.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > All of them, I think.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Any with outboard power supply?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > P25.
> >> >>
> >> >> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know that
> >> >> you
> >> >> agree something has been SAID.
> >> >> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
> >> >>
> >> >> ScottW
> >> >
> >> > Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.
> >>
> >> That's deep. So what can't be ignored?
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > Uh, whatever you wish to ignore?
>
> What you wish to ignore can't be ignored!

OK....

> Given your lifetime of effort, do you think you've had some
> influence on our education system

Yep.

> or is there still
> hope?

???

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>> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> .pr
>> >> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> >> >> > >,
>> >> >> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> In article
>> >> >> >> >> >> .
>> >> >> >> >> >> pro
>> >> >> >> >> >> dig
>> >> >> >> >> >> y.n
>> >> >> >> >> >> et>,
>> >> >> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our of
>> >> >> >> >> >> > contention
>> >> >> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression of
>> >> >> >> >> >> thin
>> >> >> >> >> >> tone
>> >> >> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all
>> >> >> >> >> >> about
>> >> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
>> >> >> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
>> >> >> >> >> What a relief.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is
>> >> >> >> > SAID
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > improve on this.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > All of them, I think.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Any with outboard power supply?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > P25.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know that
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> agree something has been SAID.
>> >> >> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.
>> >>
>> >> That's deep. So what can't be ignored?
>> >>
>> >> ScottW
>> >
>> > Uh, whatever you wish to ignore?
>>
>> What you wish to ignore can't be ignored!
>
> OK....

I'm beginning to think that drug abuse would be
the best preferred cause of your response.

ScottW

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> .
> >> net
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> gy.
> >> >> net
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> net
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> .pr
> >> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> >> net
> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ews
> >> >> >> >> >> .pr
> >> >> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> >> >> net
> >> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> > In article
> >> >> >> >> >> > >,
> >> >> >> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> ws.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> pro
> >> >> >> >> >> >> dig
> >> >> >> >> >> >> y.n
> >> >> >> >> >> >> et>,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > contention
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression
> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> thin
> >> >> >> >> >> >> tone
> >> >> >> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all
> >> >> >> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
> >> >> >> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
> >> >> >> >> >> What a relief.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ScottW
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is
> >> >> >> >> > SAID
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > improve on this.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > All of them, I think.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Any with outboard power supply?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > P25.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> agree something has been SAID.
> >> >> >> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ScottW
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's deep. So what can't be ignored?
> >> >>
> >> >> ScottW
> >> >
> >> > Uh, whatever you wish to ignore?
> >>
> >> What you wish to ignore can't be ignored!
> >
> > OK....
>
> I'm beginning to think that drug abuse would be
> the best preferred cause of your response.
>
> ScottW

lol Your sentence makes no sense. BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
in my life. How about you?

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> .
>> >> net
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >>
>> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> net
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> .pr
>> >> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> ews
>> >> >> >> >> >> .pr
>> >> >> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> >> >> >> > >,
>> >> >> >> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ws.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> pro
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> dig
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> y.n
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> et>,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them our
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > contention
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective impression
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> thin
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> tone
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned all
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> about
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
>> >> >> >> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
>> >> >> >> >> >> What a relief.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25 is
>> >> >> >> >> > SAID
>> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> > improve on this.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > All of them, I think.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Any with outboard power supply?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I believe
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > P25.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> agree something has been SAID.
>> >> >> >> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's deep. So what can't be ignored?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >
>> >> > Uh, whatever you wish to ignore?
>> >>
>> >> What you wish to ignore can't be ignored!
>> >
>> > OK....
>>
>> I'm beginning to think that drug abuse would be
>> the best preferred cause of your response.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> lol Your sentence makes no sense.

You can't ignore what you wish to ignore
even if you're buzzed.

> BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
> in my life.

What a long strange trip its been....

> How about you?

I've never abused drugs.

ScottW

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> .
> >> net
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> gy.
> >> >> net
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> net
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> .pr
> >> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> >> net
> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> ews
> >> >> >> >> >> .pr
> >> >> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> >> >> net
> >> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> message
> >> >> >> >> >> >> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-3CAAA6.14590623062007@newsclstr0
> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3.n
> >> >> >> >> >> >> ews
> >> >> >> >> >> >> .pr
> >> >> >> >> >> >> odi
> >> >> >> >> >> >> gy.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> net
> >> >> >> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > In article
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-070DEC.13433223062007@newsclstr03
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> .ne
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ws.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pro
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> dig
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> y.n
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> et>,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > our
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > contention
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> impression
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thin
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> tone
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
> >> >> >> >> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> What a relief.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> ScottW
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25
> >> >> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> >> >> > SAID
> >> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> > improve on this.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > All of them, I think.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Any with outboard power supply?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I
> >> >> >> >> > believe
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > P25.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know
> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> agree something has been SAID.
> >> >> >> >> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> ScottW
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's deep. So what can't be ignored?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ScottW
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Uh, whatever you wish to ignore?
> >> >>
> >> >> What you wish to ignore can't be ignored!
> >> >
> >> > OK....
> >>
> >> I'm beginning to think that drug abuse would be
> >> the best preferred cause of your response.
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > lol Your sentence makes no sense.
>
> You can't ignore what you wish to ignore
> even if you're buzzed.
>
> > BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
> > in my life.
>
> What a long strange trip its been....
>
> > How about you?
>
> I've never abused drugs.
>
> ScottW

You were nice to them, uh?

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> .
>> >> net
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >>
>> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> net
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> .pr
>> >> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> ews
>> >> >> >> >> >> .pr
>> >> >> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> >> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-3CAAA6.14590623062007@newsclstr0
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3.n
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ews
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> .pr
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> odi
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> gy.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> net
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-070DEC.13433223062007@newsclstr03
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> .ne
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ws.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pro
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> dig
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> y.n
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> et>,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jenn > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > As I said, the pitch error on so many Regas took them
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > our
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > contention
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for me. I liked other aspects of them though.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The fast pitch may contribute to my subjective
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> impression
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thin
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> tone
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> from the P3s I have heard at the local shop. I learned
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> about
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> my Pioneer starter 'table that also ran fast.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The P25 is said to improve on this.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Agreed on all counts.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glad we got that settled. So ALL Regas don't
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> run fast as a recent post asserted.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> What a relief.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Every Rega that I've heard runs fast. I agreed that the P25
>> >> >> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> >> >> > SAID
>> >> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> >> > improve on this.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> So you haven't heard them all....which ones have you heard?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > All of them, I think.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Any with outboard power supply?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Hard to recall now. I remember that the P9 had one, and I
>> >> >> >> >> > believe
>> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > P25.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I see....you know it is very interesting and insightful to know
>> >> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> agree something has been SAID.
>> >> >> >> >> Anything else been said lately we should be aware of?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Yes. Posts that contain a simple posting test can be ignored.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That's deep. So what can't be ignored?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ScottW
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Uh, whatever you wish to ignore?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What you wish to ignore can't be ignored!
>> >> >
>> >> > OK....
>> >>
>> >> I'm beginning to think that drug abuse would be
>> >> the best preferred cause of your response.
>> >>
>> >> ScottW
>> >
>> > lol Your sentence makes no sense.
>>
>> You can't ignore what you wish to ignore
>> even if you're buzzed.
>>
>> > BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
>> > in my life.
>>
>> What a long strange trip its been....
>>
>> > How about you?
>>
>> I've never abused drugs.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> You were nice to them, uh?

Is this a test?

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> Your sentence makes no sense.

Scottie doesn't usually make sense. Is that news to you?

> BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
> in my life. How about you?

Using isn't necessarily abusing, although Scottie will be a borderline
retard his entire life.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[George M. Middius]

Witless confesses to everything.

> I've never abused drugs.

So you admit you're confined for your own protection. No surprise there,
really. I fully expected that was the case.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Jenn]

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > Your sentence makes no sense.
>
> Scottie doesn't usually make sense. Is that news to you?
>
> > BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
> > in my life. How about you?
>
> Using isn't necessarily abusing,

Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in my
life. Gosh, even legal drugs are pretty uncommon with me. I doubt that
I've taken more than one bottle of aspirin in my whole life. A big
month of drinking for me is two in a month. I'm pretty boring that way.

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>
>> Jenn said:
>>
>> > Your sentence makes no sense.
>>
>> Scottie doesn't usually make sense. Is that news to you?
>>
>> > BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
>> > in my life. How about you?
>>
>> Using isn't necessarily abusing,

George speaks from extensive experience.

>
> Understood. I'll correct say

You'll what?


> that I've used illegal drugs once in my
> life. Gosh, even legal drugs are pretty uncommon with me. I doubt that
> I've taken more than one bottle of aspirin in my whole life. A big
> month of drinking for me is two bottles of 151 in a month. I'm pretty boring
> that way.

Oh come on. You're not giving yourself enough credit.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> > Using isn't necessarily abusing,

> Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in my life.

That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot phase.
Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.

> A big month of drinking for me is two in a month. I'm pretty boring that way.

Homeless drunks are far less of a burden on society than homeless crack
addicts.



--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[George M. Middius]

Yapper strains to bark out his 27th IKYABWAI of the day.

> >> Using isn't necessarily abusing,

> George speaks from extensive experience.

In your opinion, is drug use vs. abuse an obscure subject that is
virtually unknown to the general public?




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
> >
> >> Jenn said:
> >>
> >> > Your sentence makes no sense.
> >>
> >> Scottie doesn't usually make sense. Is that news to you?
> >>
> >> > BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
> >> > in my life. How about you?
> >>
> >> Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>
> George speaks from extensive experience.
>
> >
> > Understood. I'll correct say
>
> You'll what?
>
>
> > that I've used illegal drugs once in my
> > life. Gosh, even legal drugs are pretty uncommon with me. I doubt that
> > I've taken more than one bottle of aspirin in my whole life. A big
> > month of drinking for me is two bottles of 151 in a month. I'm pretty
> > boring
> > that way.
>
> Oh come on. You're not giving yourself enough credit.
>
> ScottW

Wow, you've now resorted to changing quotes.

[Jenn]

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>
> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in my life.
>
> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot phase.
> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.

I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because A. I
didn't like it B. I was a "good kid" and it didn't fit with the rest
of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined people's lives.

>
> > A big month of drinking for me is two in a month. I'm pretty boring that
> > way.
>
> Homeless drunks are far less of a burden on society than homeless crack
> addicts.

Probably true.

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jenn said:
>> >>
>> >> > Your sentence makes no sense.
>> >>
>> >> Scottie doesn't usually make sense. Is that news to you?
>> >>
>> >> > BTW, I've abused drugs exactly once
>> >> > in my life. How about you?
>> >>
>> >> Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>>
>> George speaks from extensive experience.
>>
>> >
>> > Understood. I'll correct say
>>
>> You'll what?
>>
>>
>> > that I've used illegal drugs once in my
>> > life. Gosh, even legal drugs are pretty uncommon with me. I doubt that
>> > I've taken more than one bottle of aspirin in my whole life. A big
>> > month of drinking for me is two bottles of 151 in a month. I'm pretty
>> > boring
>> > that way.
>>
>> Oh come on. You're not giving yourself enough credit.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> Wow, you've now resorted to changing quotes.

Wow, you noticed. Your party girl reputation was short-lived.
Hope you enjoyed it.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>
>> Jenn said:
>>
>> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>>
>> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in my life.
>>
>> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot phase.
>> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.
>
> I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because A. I
> didn't like it

How many people got high the first time they smoked?
All you liars can put your hand down.
Your as FOS as Clinton.

> B. I was a "good kid"

since gone astray...

>and it didn't fit with the rest
> of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined people's lives.

What state and when?

>
>>
>> > A big month of drinking for me is two in a month. I'm pretty boring that
>> > way.
>>
>> Homeless drunks are far less of a burden on society than homeless crack
>> addicts.
>
> Probably true.

Is that why they opened a trial home for the homeless drunks where
they let them drink?

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/90624.html

The whole premise is that it was far cheaper than
the 3 trips a week to the emergency room.
Crackheads can't find the hospital and aren't nearly so
numerous.

ScottW

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
> >
> >> Jenn said:
> >>
> >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
> >>
> >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in my
> >> > life.
> >>
> >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot phase.
> >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.
> >
> > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because A. I
> > didn't like it
>
> How many people got high the first time they smoked?

I have no idea.

> All you liars can put your hand down.
> Your as FOS as Clinton.

Who is it "your" talking about?
You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.

>
> > B. I was a "good kid"
>
> since gone astray...

Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.

>
> >and it didn't fit with the rest
> > of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined people's lives.
>
> What state and when?

CA, '71/'72.

>
> >
> >>
> >> > A big month of drinking for me is two in a month. I'm pretty boring
> >> > that
> >> > way.
> >>
> >> Homeless drunks are far less of a burden on society than homeless crack
> >> addicts.
> >
> > Probably true.
>
> Is that why they opened a trial home for the homeless drunks where
> they let them drink?
>
> http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/90624.html
>
> The whole premise is that it was far cheaper than
> the 3 trips a week to the emergency room.
> Crackheads can't find the hospital and aren't nearly so
> numerous.

Interesting. One step at a time, I suppose.

[Jenn]

On Jun 24, 9:23 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> Wow, you noticed. Your party girl reputation was short-lived.
> Hope you enjoyed it.
>
> ScottW

Did "mommy" spank you extra hard this weekend or something?

[ScottW]

On Jun 24, 10:26 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
>
>
>
>
>
> "ScottW" > wrote:
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>
> > >> Jenn said:
>
> > >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>
> > >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in my
> > >> > life.
>
> > >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot phase.
> > >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.
>
> > > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because A. I
> > > didn't like it
>
> > How many people got high the first time they smoked?
>
> I have no idea.
>
> > All you liars can put your hand down.
> > Your as FOS as Clinton.
>
> Who is it "your" talking about?

All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
got high...and didn't like it.


> You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.

Let's blame Carter for that. Peanuts can be so
intoxicating.

>
>
>
> > > B. I was a "good kid"
>
> > since gone astray...
>
> Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.

Sunk low enought to spew gratuitous insults and
spam test posts.

>
>
>
> > >and it didn't fit with the rest
> > > of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined people's lives.
>
> > What state and when?
>
> CA, '71/'72.

Care to explain how Ca. pot laws "ruined" lives in '72?
If you said Texas or Ok. I might understand but Ca.
wasn't known for severe punishment AFAIK.

ScottW

[Bill Riel]

In article m>,
says...
[...]

> >
> > > All you liars can put your hand down.
> > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
> >
> > Who is it "your" talking about?
>
> All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
> got high...and didn't like it.

Well, except she didn't state that she got high, she said

"I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because
A. I didn't like it"

Which is a completely legitimate statement. Maybe she simply didn't like
the smell, the taste, didn't like inhaling smoke.

And maybe, just maybe, she did get high and didn't like it.

--
Bill

[ScottW]

On Jun 25, 12:22 pm, Bill Riel > wrote:
> In article m>,
> says...
> [...]
>
>
>
> > > > All you liars can put your hand down.
> > > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
>
> > > Who is it "your" talking about?
>
> > All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
> > got high...and didn't like it.
>
> Well, except she didn't state that she got high, she said
>
> "I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because
> A. I didn't like it"
>
> Which is a completely legitimate statement. Maybe she simply didn't like
> the smell, the taste, didn't like inhaling smoke.

Who would without persisting long enough to experience a buzz?

People who are silly enough to claim they tried pot once
are too silly to understand that once isn't really trying it.
>
> And maybe, just maybe, she did get high and didn't like it.

Yeah... a Reefer Madness experience on her first toke.
Insert the sarcastic valley girl "I'm sure" here.

ScottW

[Jenn]

In article m>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Jun 24, 10:26 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > .
> > >net
> > > ...
> > > > In article >,
> > > > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Jenn said:
> >
> > > >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
> >
> > > >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in
> > > >> > my
> > > >> > life.
> >
> > > >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot phase.
> > > >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.
> >
> > > > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because A. I
> > > > didn't like it
> >
> > > How many people got high the first time they smoked?
> >
> > I have no idea.
> >
> > > All you liars can put your hand down.
> > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
> >
> > Who is it "your" talking about?
>
> All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
> got high...and didn't like it.

Who said I got high?
At any rate, you can believe me or not; I don't care.

>
>
> > You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.
>
> Let's blame Carter for that. Peanuts can be so
> intoxicating.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > > B. I was a "good kid"
> >
> > > since gone astray...
> >
> > Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.
>
> Sunk low enought to spew gratuitous insults

Yes, I know that you believe that I'm "sinning" when I defend myself.

> and
> spam test posts.

lol Obsess much? Again, the post, easily ignored had you chosen to,
was the perfectly logical thing to do given the problem.

>
> >
> >
> >
> > > >and it didn't fit with the rest
> > > > of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined people's
> > > > lives.
> >
> > > What state and when?
> >
> > CA, '71/'72.
>
> Care to explain how Ca. pot laws "ruined" lives in '72?
> If you said Texas or Ok. I might understand but Ca.
> wasn't known for severe punishment AFAIK.

The only two pot busts that I recall from my high school from that era
resulted in jail time of something like 6 months. We were told that
such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jun 24, 9:23 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>> Wow, you noticed. Your party girl reputation was short-lived.
>> Hope you enjoyed it.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> Did "mommy" spank you extra hard this weekend or something?

No that was last weekend while I was visiting her cuz she can't
travel anymore due to emphysema. Happy now?

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article m>,
> ScottW > wrote:
>
>> On Jun 24, 10:26 pm, Jenn > wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> > .
>> > >net
>> > > ...
>> > > > In article >,
>> > > > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> Jenn said:
>> >
>> > > >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>> >
>> > > >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in
>> > > >> > my
>> > > >> > life.
>> >
>> > > >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot phase.
>> > > >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.
>> >
>> > > > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because A. I
>> > > > didn't like it
>> >
>> > > How many people got high the first time they smoked?
>> >
>> > I have no idea.
>> >
>> > > All you liars can put your hand down.
>> > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
>> >
>> > Who is it "your" talking about?
>>
>> All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
>> got high...and didn't like it.
>
> Who said I got high?
> At any rate, you can believe me or not; I don't care.

I believe you tried to smoke pot, couldn't choke it down
and get past your life ruination paranoia and decided
you didn't like it but have never been high on pot.

>
>>
>>
>> > You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.
>>
>> Let's blame Carter for that. Peanuts can be so
>> intoxicating.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > > B. I was a "good kid"
>> >
>> > > since gone astray...
>> >
>> > Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.
>>
>> Sunk low enought to spew gratuitous insults
>
> Yes, I know that you believe that I'm "sinning" when I defend myself.

You call that defense? I call it abdication of your integrity
which isn't all that.

>
>> and
>> spam test posts.
>
> lol Obsess much?

Lots

> Again, the post, easily ignored had you chosen to,
> was the perfectly logical thing to do given the problem.

Logical to your self centered arrogant view of the world
but hardly appropriate. If I have a bad FM receiver
should I set up a transmitter to test it in open air?

>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > >and it didn't fit with the rest
>> > > > of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined people's
>> > > > lives.
>> >
>> > > What state and when?
>> >
>> > CA, '71/'72.
>>
>> Care to explain how Ca. pot laws "ruined" lives in '72?
>> If you said Texas or Ok. I might understand but Ca.
>> wasn't known for severe punishment AFAIK.
>
> The only two pot busts that I recall from my high school from that era
> resulted in jail time of something like 6 months.

What did you do, narc on your dealer?
Anyway in '72 Ca. passed the "drug diversion program"
allowing first offenders to have all charges dismissed
in exchange for a drug treatment/education program
which was about as tough as traffic school.
In '75 they decriminalized small time possession completely.

> We were told that
> such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.

Another Reefer Madness victim. Do you know who made that movie btw?

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Yapper gurgled:

> > Did "mommy" spank you extra hard this weekend or something?

> No that was last weekend while I was visiting her cuz she can't
> travel anymore due to emphysema. Happy now?

Is your mental handicap a direct result of her smoking during pregnancy?
How irresponsible of her.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in message
...
>
>
> Yapper gurgled:
>
>> > Did "mommy" spank you extra hard this weekend or something?
>
>> No that was last weekend while I was visiting her cuz she can't
>> travel anymore due to emphysema. Happy now?
>
> Is your mental handicap a direct result of her smoking during pregnancy?
> How irresponsible of her.

and what of your sociophobia George? You can't name one person who
has ever encountered you face to face.

I think the closest who ever came was Trots and the archives
show your reaction to that close encounter.
You are one sick puppy, and you know it.
Maybe that is why you hide, for the sake of society.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Witless needs a new bone to chew.

> > Is your mental handicap a direct result of her smoking during pregnancy?
> > How irresponsible of her.

> and what of your sociophobia George?

Inability to admit facts noted.

> You can't name one person who
> has ever encountered you face to face.

http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=can%27t
http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=won%27t

> I think the closest who[sic] ever came[sic] was Trots and the archives
> show your reaction to that close[sic] encounter.

No, we only ever talked on the phone.

> You are one sick puppy, and you know it.

According to you, I'm afraid of women, I envy Krooger, and now I'm a
"sick puppy". And I "know it". Why is reality such a bitch for you?

> Maybe that is why you hide, for the sake of society.

After all these years, you still haven't come to terms with the obvious
fact that you were shortchanged in the IQ department. Previously, I've
offered to excuse your obnoxious and persistent stupidity if you would
simply confess that you've been diagnosed as LD or autistic or even as
having Asperger's. Now we find out your mother damaged your brain by her
pigheaded refusal to quit smoking while she was carrying you in her
nicotine- and tar-infused womb. I'm sure you got a raw deal, either by
nature or by nurture.

P.S. Some of my friends' names are Davey, Gregor, Phil R., Phil G.,
Jill, Jared, and Jared's friend Marnie. Now that you know their names,
are you going to implode from rage and frustration?




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article m>,
> > ScottW > wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 24, 10:26 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> >> > In article >,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > >gy.
> >> > >net
> >> > > ...
> >> > > > In article >,
> >> > > > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > >> Jenn said:
> >> >
> >> > > >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
> >> >
> >> > > >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once
> >> > > >> > in
> >> > > >> > my
> >> > > >> > life.
> >> >
> >> > > >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot
> >> > > >> phase.
> >> > > >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.
> >> >
> >> > > > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because A. I
> >> > > > didn't like it
> >> >
> >> > > How many people got high the first time they smoked?
> >> >
> >> > I have no idea.
> >> >
> >> > > All you liars can put your hand down.
> >> > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
> >> >
> >> > Who is it "your" talking about?
> >>
> >> All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
> >> got high...and didn't like it.
> >
> > Who said I got high?
> > At any rate, you can believe me or not; I don't care.
>
> I believe you tried to smoke pot, couldn't choke it down
> and get past your life ruination paranoia and decided
> you didn't like it but have never been high on pot.

Pretty close, except for the paranoia.

>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.
> >>
> >> Let's blame Carter for that. Peanuts can be so
> >> intoxicating.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > > B. I was a "good kid"
> >> >
> >> > > since gone astray...
> >> >
> >> > Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.
> >>
> >> Sunk low enought to spew gratuitous insults
> >
> > Yes, I know that you believe that I'm "sinning" when I defend myself.
>
> You call that defense? I call it abdication of your integrity
> which isn't all that.

Whatever. I insult a bit here when I'm first insulted. I can live with
that. It's the coin of this realm.

>
> >
> >> and
> >> spam test posts.
> >
> > lol Obsess much?
>
> Lots

There it is.

>
> > Again, the post, easily ignored had you chosen to,
> > was the perfectly logical thing to do given the problem.
>
> Logical to your self centered arrogant view of the world
> but hardly appropriate. If I have a bad FM receiver
> should I set up a transmitter to test it in open air?

How would you have tested to see if the problem was solved, Scott? This
is obviously so important to you; show me the way.

>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > >and it didn't fit with the rest
> >> > > > of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined people's
> >> > > > lives.
> >> >
> >> > > What state and when?
> >> >
> >> > CA, '71/'72.
> >>
> >> Care to explain how Ca. pot laws "ruined" lives in '72?
> >> If you said Texas or Ok. I might understand but Ca.
> >> wasn't known for severe punishment AFAIK.
> >
> > The only two pot busts that I recall from my high school from that era
> > resulted in jail time of something like 6 months.
>
> What did you do, narc on your dealer?
> Anyway in '72 Ca. passed the "drug diversion program"
> allowing first offenders to have all charges dismissed
> in exchange for a drug treatment/education program
> which was about as tough as traffic school.

You're ignoring the social, family, etc. implications. You're a bit
younger than I; you probably don't remember those times as well as I.

> In '75 they decriminalized small time possession completely.
>
> > We were told that
> > such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.
>
> Another Reefer Madness victim.

But true.

> Do you know who made that movie btw?

Yes.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > On Jun 24, 9:23 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> Wow, you noticed. Your party girl reputation was short-lived.
> >> Hope you enjoyed it.
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > Did "mommy" spank you extra hard this weekend or something?
>
> No that was last weekend while I was visiting her cuz she can't
> travel anymore due to emphysema. Happy now?

I'm sorry that she's ill.

[ScottW]

On Jun 25, 7:30 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Witless needs a new bone to chew.
>
> > > Is your mental handicap a direct result of her smoking during pregnancy?
> > > How irresponsible of her.
> > and what of your sociophobia George?
>
> Inability to admit facts noted.
>
> > You can't name one person who
> > has ever encountered you face to face.
>
> http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=can%27thttp://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=won%27t
>
> > I think the closest who[sic] ever came[sic] was Trots and the archives
> > show your reaction to that close[sic] encounter.
>
> No, we only ever talked on the phone.
>
> > You are one sick puppy, and you know it.
>
> According to you, I'm afraid of women, I envy Krooger, and now I'm a
> "sick puppy". And I "know it". Why is reality such a bitch for you?
>
> > Maybe that is why you hide, for the sake of society.
>
> After all these years, you still haven't come to terms with the obvious
> fact that you were shortchanged in the IQ department.

Take your lame pre-school insults and shove 'em.
You offer nothing here but noise and a list
of fantasy friends.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Witlessmongrel, smarting from his latest whuppin', growls in
trepidation.

> > > You can't

While I was waiting for your scintillating reply, I browsed the web a
bit for the "can't vs. won't" problem. Most of the pages I found were in
the nature of teaching tips for helping ADD and FAS patients.

You're a disability case, Scooter. I have no doubts anymore. The
mountain of evidence is very high now.

> > After all these years, you still haven't come to terms with the obvious
> > fact that you were shortchanged in the IQ department.

> Take your lame pre-school insults and shove 'em.

There, there. You'd better calm yourself down or else no dessert for
you. Now go to your room for a time-out.





--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[ScottW]

On Jun 26, 10:50 am, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
>
>
>
>
>
> "ScottW" > wrote:
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
> > > In article m>,
> > > ScottW > wrote:
>
> > >> On Jun 24, 10:26 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > >> > In article >,
>
> > >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> > >> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > >> >
> > >> > >gy.
> > >> > >net
> > >> > > ...
> > >> > > > In article >,
> > >> > > > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>
> > >> > > >> Jenn said:
>
> > >> > > >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>
> > >> > > >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once
> > >> > > >> > in
> > >> > > >> > my
> > >> > > >> > life.
>
> > >> > > >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot
> > >> > > >> phase.
> > >> > > >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.
>
> > >> > > > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because A. I
> > >> > > > didn't like it
>
> > >> > > How many people got high the first time they smoked?
>
> > >> > I have no idea.
>
> > >> > > All you liars can put your hand down.
> > >> > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
>
> > >> > Who is it "your" talking about?
>
> > >> All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
> > >> got high...and didn't like it.
>
> > > Who said I got high?
> > > At any rate, you can believe me or not; I don't care.
>
> > I believe you tried to smoke pot, couldn't choke it down
> > and get past your life ruination paranoia and decided
> > you didn't like it but have never been high on pot.
>
> Pretty close, except for the paranoia.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> > You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.
>
> > >> Let's blame Carter for that. Peanuts can be so
> > >> intoxicating.
>
> > >> > > > B. I was a "good kid"
>
> > >> > > since gone astray...
>
> > >> > Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.
>
> > >> Sunk low enought to spew gratuitous insults
>
> > > Yes, I know that you believe that I'm "sinning" when I defend myself.
>
> > You call that defense? I call it abdication of your integrity
> > which isn't all that.
>
> Whatever. I insult a bit here when I'm first insulted. I can live with
> that. It's the coin of this realm.
>
>
>
> > >> and
> > >> spam test posts.
>
> > > lol Obsess much?
>
> > Lots
>
> There it is.

Yup, and you're now obsessing about my
obsessions. Who's twisted?

>
>
>
> > > Again, the post, easily ignored had you chosen to,
> > > was the perfectly logical thing to do given the problem.
>
> > Logical to your self centered arrogant view of the world
> > but hardly appropriate. If I have a bad FM receiver
> > should I set up a transmitter to test it in open air?
>
> How would you have tested to see if the problem was solved, Scott?

I'd have duplicated the filters on alt.test and performed a test
post
there. If the result worked but still failed on RAO, the RAO filter
is
obviously corrupted and needed to be reset.

> This
> is obviously so important to you; show me the way.

It's really not the topic under discussion, its your
attitude.

>
> > >> > > >and it didn't fit with the rest
> > >> > > > of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined people's
> > >> > > > lives.
>
> > >> > > What state and when?
>
> > >> > CA, '71/'72.
>
> > >> Care to explain how Ca. pot laws "ruined" lives in '72?
> > >> If you said Texas or Ok. I might understand but Ca.
> > >> wasn't known for severe punishment AFAIK.
>
> > > The only two pot busts that I recall from my high school from that era
> > > resulted in jail time of something like 6 months.
>
> > What did you do, narc on your dealer?
> > Anyway in '72 Ca. passed the "drug diversion program"
> > allowing first offenders to have all charges dismissed
> > in exchange for a drug treatment/education program
> > which was about as tough as traffic school.
>
> You're ignoring the social, family, etc. implications.

You came from a family of prudes who would banish
you for drug use but accepted your sexual orientation?
Kind of an odd mix.

> You're a bit
> younger than I; you probably don't remember those times as well as I.

Just a few years. Your implicationt that the whole nation
sufferred your families social paranoia in the 70's is really
a hoot. Did you go to private school or perhaps a convent?
>
> > In '75 they decriminalized small time possession completely.
>
> > > We were told that
> > > such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.
>
> > Another Reefer Madness victim.
>
> But true.

What you were told is true or that
you were truly told a lie?
Try to be clear.

>
> > Do you know who made that movie btw?
>
> Yes

Probably explains your disdain for evangelicals.
They stole your youth with lies and fear of
social recrimination.

ScottW

[ScottW]

On Jun 26, 1:45 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Witlessmongrel, smarting from his latest whuppin', growls in
> trepidation.
>
> > > > You can't
>
> While I was waiting for your scintillating reply, I browsed the web a
> bit for the "can't vs. won't" problem. Most of the pages I found were in
> the nature of teaching tips for helping ADD and FAS patients.
>
> You're a disability case, Scooter. I have no doubts anymore. The
> mountain of evidence is very high now.
>
> > > After all these years, you still haven't come to terms with the obvious
> > > fact that you were shortchanged in the IQ department.
> > Take your lame pre-school insults and shove 'em.
>
> There, there. You'd better calm yourself down or else no dessert for
> you. Now go to your room for a time-out.

Is this all you got? Pathetic.

ScottW

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Jun 26, 10:50 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > .
> > >net
> > > ...
> > > > In article m>,
> > > > ScottW > wrote:
> >
> > > >> On Jun 24, 10:26 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > >> > In article >,
> >
> > > >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > >> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >rodi
> > > >> > >gy.
> > > >> > >net
> > > >> > > ...
> > > >> > > > In article >,
> > > >> > > > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > >> Jenn said:
> >
> > > >> > > >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
> >
> > > >> > > >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs
> > > >> > > >> > once
> > > >> > > >> > in
> > > >> > > >> > my
> > > >> > > >> > life.
> >
> > > >> > > >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot
> > > >> > > >> phase.
> > > >> > > >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to
> > > >> > > >> liquor.
> >
> > > >> > > > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because
> > > >> > > > A. I
> > > >> > > > didn't like it
> >
> > > >> > > How many people got high the first time they smoked?
> >
> > > >> > I have no idea.
> >
> > > >> > > All you liars can put your hand down.
> > > >> > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
> >
> > > >> > Who is it "your" talking about?
> >
> > > >> All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
> > > >> got high...and didn't like it.
> >
> > > > Who said I got high?
> > > > At any rate, you can believe me or not; I don't care.
> >
> > > I believe you tried to smoke pot, couldn't choke it down
> > > and get past your life ruination paranoia and decided
> > > you didn't like it but have never been high on pot.
> >
> > Pretty close, except for the paranoia.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >> > You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.
> >
> > > >> Let's blame Carter for that. Peanuts can be so
> > > >> intoxicating.
> >
> > > >> > > > B. I was a "good kid"
> >
> > > >> > > since gone astray...
> >
> > > >> > Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.
> >
> > > >> Sunk low enought to spew gratuitous insults
> >
> > > > Yes, I know that you believe that I'm "sinning" when I defend myself.
> >
> > > You call that defense? I call it abdication of your integrity
> > > which isn't all that.
> >
> > Whatever. I insult a bit here when I'm first insulted. I can live with
> > that. It's the coin of this realm.
> >
> >
> >
> > > >> and
> > > >> spam test posts.
> >
> > > > lol Obsess much?
> >
> > > Lots
> >
> > There it is.
>
> Yup, and you're now obsessing about my
> obsessions. Who's twisted?

I'm not obsessing. You've succeeded in turning a one post thread which
upsets you for some reason into a 70 post thread, plus those in this
thread.

>
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Again, the post, easily ignored had you chosen to,
> > > > was the perfectly logical thing to do given the problem.
> >
> > > Logical to your self centered arrogant view of the world
> > > but hardly appropriate. If I have a bad FM receiver
> > > should I set up a transmitter to test it in open air?
> >
> > How would you have tested to see if the problem was solved, Scott?
>
> I'd have duplicated the filters on alt.test and performed a test
> post
> there. If the result worked but still failed on RAO, the RAO filter
> is
> obviously corrupted and needed to be reset.

The exact same filters were already in place for 2 other groups that
were behaving normally. Next?

>
> > This
> > is obviously so important to you; show me the way.
>
> It's really not the topic under discussion, its your
> attitude.

No Scott, it's YOUR attitude. You're all ****ed off because I dared to
do a simple test post in YOUR newsgroup. You say that you're concerned
about "spamming" the newsgroup, and yet you answer the test post
unnecessarily, thereby creating more of the "spam" that you detest. I
should say "evidently detest" because you create more off-topic spam
than anyone else here, by a large margin. So it's YOUR attitude that
causes you to act as the cop in this situation.

>
> >
> > > >> > > >and it didn't fit with the rest
> > > >> > > > of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined
> > > >> > > > people's
> > > >> > > > lives.
> >
> > > >> > > What state and when?
> >
> > > >> > CA, '71/'72.
> >
> > > >> Care to explain how Ca. pot laws "ruined" lives in '72?
> > > >> If you said Texas or Ok. I might understand but Ca.
> > > >> wasn't known for severe punishment AFAIK.
> >
> > > > The only two pot busts that I recall from my high school from that era
> > > > resulted in jail time of something like 6 months.
> >
> > > What did you do, narc on your dealer?
> > > Anyway in '72 Ca. passed the "drug diversion program"
> > > allowing first offenders to have all charges dismissed
> > > in exchange for a drug treatment/education program
> > > which was about as tough as traffic school.
> >
> > You're ignoring the social, family, etc. implications.
>
> You came from a family of prudes who would banish
> you for drug use

Who said that? Stop making things up.

> but accepted your sexual orientation?
> Kind of an odd mix.

Thanks for displaying a total ignorance of the nature of sexual
orientation vs. the choice of illegal drug abuse.

>
> > You're a bit
> > younger than I; you probably don't remember those times as well as I.
>
> Just a few years. Your implicationt that the whole nation
> sufferred your families social paranoia in the 70's is really
> a hoot.

You're ignorant of the fact that society changed rather suddenly circa
1973/74. Perhaps you should speak to someone a bit older than you about
it. Here is a sample of the change: Up until my senior year in high
school, men got suspended for 3 days if their hair come over 1/4" over
the top of their ears, or if their sideburns extended to lower than
exactly half way down their ears. Women were suspended for 3 days if
their skirts were higher than exactly three inches from the middle of
their knees. "Smoking in the boy's room" meant a three day suspension;
on the third offense, you could be expelled forever. If you were known
as a toker, it was presumed widely that you were not "college material"
and you were a social outcast to all in school other than other than
other weed smokers. This was in the Vista Unified School District, and
I'm quite sure that the situation was the same at Sam Marcos Unified.
The following year, everything changed. Due to a court case statewide
(or nationally; I'll have to look that up), all of those rules were out
the window. The "good kids" still didn't do drugs, but the change was
evident.

> Did you go to private school or perhaps a convent?
> >
> > > In '75 they decriminalized small time possession completely.
> >
> > > > We were told that
> > > > such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.
> >
> > > Another Reefer Madness victim.
> >
> > But true.
>
> What you were told is true or that
> you were truly told a lie?
> Try to be clear.

The former.

>
> >
> > > Do you know who made that movie btw?
> >
> > Yes
>
> Probably explains your disdain for evangelicals.

I don't disdain evangelicals per se. Stop making things up.

> They stole your youth with lies and fear of
> social recrimination.

lol They stole my youth because I didn't feel comfortable doing drugs?
lol

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> No Scott, it's YOUR attitude. You're all ****ed off because I dared to
> do a simple test post in YOUR newsgroup.

Scottie is always ****ed off. You're only guessing about what causes it.

> You say that you're concerned
> about "spamming" the newsgroup, and yet you answer the test post
> unnecessarily, thereby creating more of the "spam" that you detest. I
> should say "evidently detest" because you create more off-topic spam
> than anyone else here, by a large margin. So it's YOUR attitude that
> causes you to act as the cop in this situation.

None of the posts in question qualifies as spam. Yours was a curiosity,
and Scottie's are offal. Notice how Witless just caved when I zeroed in
on his mental defects? That's one of his touchiest buttons.





--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Jenn]

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > No Scott, it's YOUR attitude. You're all ****ed off because I dared to
> > do a simple test post in YOUR newsgroup.
>
> Scottie is always ****ed off. You're only guessing about what causes it.
>
> > You say that you're concerned
> > about "spamming" the newsgroup, and yet you answer the test post
> > unnecessarily, thereby creating more of the "spam" that you detest. I
> > should say "evidently detest" because you create more off-topic spam
> > than anyone else here, by a large margin. So it's YOUR attitude that
> > causes you to act as the cop in this situation.
>
> None of the posts in question qualifies as spam. Yours was a curiosity,
> and Scottie's are offal. Notice how Witless just caved when I zeroed in
> on his mental defects? That's one of his touchiest buttons.

George, I have to say that I made an error in not including you in a
list of those who create the most off-topic spam here.

I personally don't care if there are off-topic posts or not. It just
seems odd that someone who obviously DOES care creates so much of it
himself.

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> > None of the posts in question qualifies as spam. Yours was a curiosity,
> > and Scottie's are offal. Notice how Witless just caved when I zeroed in
> > on his mental defects? That's one of his touchiest buttons.

> George, I have to say that I made an error in not including you in a
> list of those who create the most off-topic spam here.

Spam is commercial in nature. Examples are posts that say "click here
for naked beauties" and "cheap software!" I don't create *any* spam.
Never have, never will.

Also, I disagree as to the "OT" rubric. I have repeatedly stated, and
supported, my opinion that ridicule and mockery of audio religionists
are peripherally related to the nominal subject of this group. If you
accept my reasoning, that excuses some portion of my posts from being
patently OT.

BTW, if you're stuck for a term to refer to OT posts, how about noise?

> I personally don't care if there are off-topic posts or not. It just
> seems odd that someone who obviously DOES care creates so much of it
> himself.

Scottie's estrangement from logical thinking is a matter of historial
record. Like his idol the Krooborg, Terrierdork has his own private
dialect of human language. His condition allows him to misuse words and
blithely ignore corrections from non-retards.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Bill Riel]

In article <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0B9CDA.15113426062007
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
says...

> George, I have to say that I made an error in not including you in a
> list of those who create the most off-topic spam here.
>
> I personally don't care if there are off-topic posts or not. It just
> seems odd that someone who obviously DOES care creates so much of it
> himself.

Well, if I may be a bit pedantic, none of these posts (including
Scott's) are spam. They are off topic, but spam has a very specific
meaning.

However, I understand what you are saying: Scott is incredibly
hypocritical to complain about your "test" posts when he's probably the
number one offender when it comes to off-topic posts.

--
Bill

[Jenn]

In article >,
Bill Riel > wrote:

> In article <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-0B9CDA.15113426062007
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> says...
>
> > George, I have to say that I made an error in not including you in a
> > list of those who create the most off-topic spam here.
> >
> > I personally don't care if there are off-topic posts or not. It just
> > seems odd that someone who obviously DOES care creates so much of it
> > himself.
>
> Well, if I may be a bit pedantic, none of these posts (including
> Scott's) are spam. They are off topic, but spam has a very specific
> meaning.

Understood now. I was using Scott's word.

>
> However, I understand what you are saying: Scott is incredibly
> hypocritical to complain about your "test" posts when he's probably the
> number one offender when it comes to off-topic posts.
>
> --
> Bill

[Clyde Slick]

George M. Middius a scris:
> Jenn said:
>
> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>
> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs once in my life.
>
> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot phase.
> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to liquor.
>
> > A big month of drinking for me is two in a month. I'm pretty boring that way.
>
> Homeless drunks are far less of a burden on society than homeless crack
> addicts.
>


I have never been mugged by a drunkard.

[ScottW]

On Jun 26, 2:58 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article . com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW > wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 10:50 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article >,
>
> > > "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > > .
> > > >net
> > > > ...
> > > > > In article m>,
> > > > > ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > >> On Jun 24, 10:26 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > >> > In article >,
>
> > > > >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > > >> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >rodi
> > > > >> > >gy.
> > > > >> > >net
> > > > >> > > ...
> > > > >> > > > In article >,
> > > > >> > > > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > >> Jenn said:
>
> > > > >> > > >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>
> > > > >> > > >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs
> > > > >> > > >> > once
> > > > >> > > >> > in
> > > > >> > > >> > my
> > > > >> > > >> > life.
>
> > > > >> > > >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot
> > > > >> > > >> phase.
> > > > >> > > >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to
> > > > >> > > >> liquor.
>
> > > > >> > > > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because
> > > > >> > > > A. I
> > > > >> > > > didn't like it
>
> > > > >> > > How many people got high the first time they smoked?
>
> > > > >> > I have no idea.
>
> > > > >> > > All you liars can put your hand down.
> > > > >> > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
>
> > > > >> > Who is it "your" talking about?
>
> > > > >> All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
> > > > >> got high...and didn't like it.
>
> > > > > Who said I got high?
> > > > > At any rate, you can believe me or not; I don't care.
>
> > > > I believe you tried to smoke pot, couldn't choke it down
> > > > and get past your life ruination paranoia and decided
> > > > you didn't like it but have never been high on pot.
>
> > > Pretty close, except for the paranoia.
>
> > > > >> > You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.
>
> > > > >> Let's blame Carter for that. Peanuts can be so
> > > > >> intoxicating.
>
> > > > >> > > > B. I was a "good kid"
>
> > > > >> > > since gone astray...
>
> > > > >> > Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.
>
> > > > >> Sunk low enought to spew gratuitous insults
>
> > > > > Yes, I know that you believe that I'm "sinning" when I defend myself.
>
> > > > You call that defense? I call it abdication of your integrity
> > > > which isn't all that.
>
> > > Whatever. I insult a bit here when I'm first insulted. I can live with
> > > that. It's the coin of this realm.
>
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> spam test posts.
>
> > > > > lol Obsess much?
>
> > > > Lots
>
> > > There it is.
>
> > Yup, and you're now obsessing about my
> > obsessions. Who's twisted?
>
> I'm not obsessing. You've succeeded in turning a one post thread which
> upsets you for some reason into a 70 post thread, plus those in this
> thread.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > Again, the post, easily ignored had you chosen to,
> > > > > was the perfectly logical thing to do given the problem.
>
> > > > Logical to your self centered arrogant view of the world
> > > > but hardly appropriate. If I have a bad FM receiver
> > > > should I set up a transmitter to test it in open air?
>
> > > How would you have tested to see if the problem was solved, Scott?
>
> > I'd have duplicated the filters on alt.test and performed a test
> > post
> > there. If the result worked but still failed on RAO, the RAO filter
> > is
> > obviously corrupted and needed to be reset.
>
> The exact same filters were already in place for 2 other groups that
> were behaving normally. Next?
>
>
>
> > > This
> > > is obviously so important to you; show me the way.
>
> > It's really not the topic under discussion, its your
> > attitude.
>
> No Scott, it's YOUR attitude.

NO..ITS Y_O_U_R attitude.

> You're all ****ed off

Wrong again. I was never ****ed off. Just bored.

> because I dared to
> do a simple test post in YOUR newsgroup. You say that you're concerned
> about "spamming" the newsgroup, and yet you answer the test post
> unnecessarily, thereby creating more of the "spam" that you detest.

Who said I detest it? You're full of false assumptions.

> I
> should say "evidently detest" because you create more off-topic spam
> than anyone else here, by a large margin. So it's YOUR attitude that
> causes you to act as the cop in this situation.

Do you feel policed? Up against the wall with cuffs?
Wah, wah, wah. GMAB.
You simply don't cope well with criticism.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > >> > > >and it didn't fit with the rest
> > > > >> > > > of my life, and C. An arrest for pot at that time ruined
> > > > >> > > > people's
> > > > >> > > > lives.
>
> > > > >> > > What state and when?
>
> > > > >> > CA, '71/'72.
>
> > > > >> Care to explain how Ca. pot laws "ruined" lives in '72?
> > > > >> If you said Texas or Ok. I might understand but Ca.
> > > > >> wasn't known for severe punishment AFAIK.
>
> > > > > The only two pot busts that I recall from my high school from that era
> > > > > resulted in jail time of something like 6 months.
>
> > > > What did you do, narc on your dealer?
> > > > Anyway in '72 Ca. passed the "drug diversion program"
> > > > allowing first offenders to have all charges dismissed
> > > > in exchange for a drug treatment/education program
> > > > which was about as tough as traffic school.
>
> > > You're ignoring the social, family, etc. implications.
>
> > You came from a family of prudes who would banish
> > you for drug use
>
> Who said that? Stop making things up.

But they would ruin your life!

>
> > but accepted your sexual orientation?
> > Kind of an odd mix.
>
> Thanks for displaying a total ignorance of the nature of sexual
> orientation vs. the choice of illegal drug abuse.

One's against God, the other is against the government.
Is that it :)?

>
>
>
> > > You're a bit
> > > younger than I; you probably don't remember those times as well as I.
>
> > Just a few years. Your implicationt that the whole nation
> > sufferred your families social paranoia in the 70's is really
> > a hoot.
>
> You're ignorant of the fact that society changed rather suddenly circa
> 1973/74. Perhaps you should speak to someone a bit older than you about
> it. Here is a sample of the change: Up until my senior year in high
> school, men got suspended for 3 days if their hair come over 1/4" over
> the top of their ears,

Maybe where you went to school but not mine. Not even close.

>or if their sideburns extended to lower than
> exactly half way down their ears. Women were suspended for 3 days if
> their skirts were higher than exactly three inches from the middle of
> their knees. "Smoking in the boy's room" meant a three day suspension;
> on the third offense, you could be expelled forever. If you were known
> as a toker, it was presumed widely that you were not "college material"
> and you were a social outcast to all in school other than other than
> other weed smokers. This was in the Vista Unified School District, and
> I'm quite sure that the situation was the same at Sam Marcos Unified.
> The following year, everything changed.

Total transformation of society in a single year. LOL.
This is really quite funny.....fictitious but funny.

> Due to a court case statewide
> (or nationally; I'll have to look that up), all of those rules were out
> the window. The "good kids" still didn't do drugs, but the change was
> evident.

While all those evil bad kids got scholarships to Berkley.
>
> > Did you go to private school or perhaps a convent?
>
> > > > In '75 they decriminalized small time possession completely.
>
> > > > > We were told that
> > > > > such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.
>
> > > > Another Reefer Madness victim.
>
> > > But true.
>
> > What you were told is true or that
> > you were truly told a lie?
> > Try to be clear.
>
> The former.

Wrong...try again.

ScottW

[ScottW]

On Jun 26, 3:11 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jenn said:
>
> > > No Scott, it's YOUR attitude. You're all ****ed off because I dared to
> > > do a simple test post in YOUR newsgroup.
>
> > Scottie is always ****ed off. You're only guessing about what causes it.
>
> > > You say that you're concerned
> > > about "spamming" the newsgroup, and yet you answer the test post
> > > unnecessarily, thereby creating more of the "spam" that you detest. I
> > > should say "evidently detest" because you create more off-topic spam
> > > than anyone else here, by a large margin. So it's YOUR attitude that
> > > causes you to act as the cop in this situation.
>
> > None of the posts in question qualifies as spam. Yours was a curiosity,
> > and Scottie's are offal. Notice how Witless just caved when I zeroed in
> > on his mental defects? That's one of his touchiest buttons.
>
> George, I have to say that I made an error in not including you in a
> list of those who create the most off-topic spam here.
>
> I personally don't care if there are off-topic posts or not. It just
> seems odd that someone who obviously DOES care creates so much of it
> himself.

OT posts aren't spam IMO... OT posts can be interesting.
SPAM by definition is not. Test posts have no chance of being
interesting
are therefore SPAM.

ScottW

[ScottW]

On Jun 26, 3:24 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Jenn said:
>
> > > None of the posts in question qualifies as spam. Yours was a curiosity,
> > > and Scottie's are offal. Notice how Witless just caved when I zeroed in
> > > on his mental defects? That's one of his touchiest buttons.
> > George, I have to say that I made an error in not including you in a
> > list of those who create the most off-topic spam here.
>
> Spam is commercial in nature. Examples are posts that say "click here
> for naked beauties" and "cheap software!" I don't create *any* spam.
> Never have, never will.
>
> Also, I disagree as to the "OT" rubric. I have repeatedly stated, and
> supported, my opinion that ridicule and mockery of audio religionists


What is an audio religionist?
Your tendency to stereotype people based on wether they support
or oppose your "resistance" is obvious and has nothing to do
with their audio preferences.


> are peripherally related to the nominal subject of this group. If you
> accept my reasoning, that excuses some portion of my posts from being
> patently OT.

Absolute crock of BS rationalization for
your childish self amusement.


>
> BTW, if you're stuck for a term to refer to OT posts, how about noise?
>
> > I personally don't care if there are off-topic posts or not. It just
> > seems odd that someone who obviously DOES care creates so much of it
> > himself.
>
> Scottie's estrangement from logical thinking is a matter of historial
> record. Like his idol the Krooborg, Terrierdork has his own private
> dialect of human language.

Complete and utter BS from the vinyphobic middiot.
But thanks for demonstrating your Kreuger Derangement Syndrome
and how it plays into your bogus "audio religionists" stereotype.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Terrierdork is snarling mad again.

> > Also, I disagree as to the "OT" rubric. I have repeatedly stated, and
> > supported, my opinion that ridicule and mockery of audio religionists
> > are peripherally related to the nominal subject of this group. If you
> > accept my reasoning, that excuses some portion of my posts from being
> > patently OT.

> What is an audio religionist?

Uh-oh. Another drop in Witlessmongrel's meager IQ. Very sad.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[ScottW]

On Jun 27, 2:29 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Terrierdork is snarling mad again.
>
> > > Also, I disagree as to the "OT" rubric. I have repeatedly stated, and
> > > supported, my opinion that ridicule and mockery of audio religionists
> > > are peripherally related to the nominal subject of this group. If you
> > > accept my reasoning, that excuses some portion of my posts from being
> > > patently OT.
> > What is an audio religionist?
>
> Uh-oh. Another drop in Witlessmongrel's meager IQ. Very sad.

I seriously doubted your ability to define it yourself.

Further, this lame idea that you can define people as worthy
of ridicule and mockery based on your view that they practice
some view of audio religion is total BS.
You like to mock and ridicule to pump up your own failing ego
and hide your absolute uselessness to society and this group.

Your only area of knowledge is prime time TV programming
which says much about your life....loser.

Jenn knows this, I know it...hell, even Arny knows it.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Somebody, please take Terrierdork to the vet.

> > > > Also, I disagree as to the "OT" rubric. I have repeatedly stated, and
> > > > supported, my opinion that ridicule and mockery of audio religionists
> > > > are peripherally related to the nominal subject of this group. If you
> > > > accept my reasoning, that excuses some portion of my posts from being
> > > > patently OT.

> > > What is an audio religionist?

> > Uh-oh. Another drop in Witlessmongrel's meager IQ. Very sad.

> I seriously doubted your ability to define it yourself.

Still struggling with common English words, I see. Did you even peek at
those links I gave you yesterday? You depend on "objective" sources of
information like dictionaries when you need to deflect attention away
from your stupidity. And yet, hypocrite that you are, you refuse to make
the slightest effort to learn what every 10-year-old child is expected
to know.

You give new meaning to the term pathetic, Scooter. You're pitiable and
lame and imbecilic, and you don't care who knows it.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> ScottW > wrote:
>
>> On Jun 26, 10:50 am, Jenn > wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> > .
>> > >net
>> > > ...
>> > > > In article m>,
>> > > > ScottW > wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> On Jun 24, 10:26 pm, Jenn > wrote:
>> > > >> > In article >,
>> >
>> > > >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> > > >> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > >rodi
>> > > >> > >gy.
>> > > >> > >net
>> > > >> > > ...
>> > > >> > > > In article >,
>> > > >> > > > George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> > > >> Jenn said:
>> >
>> > > >> > > >> > > Using isn't necessarily abusing,
>> >
>> > > >> > > >> > Understood. I'll correct say that I've used illegal drugs
>> > > >> > > >> > once
>> > > >> > > >> > in
>> > > >> > > >> > my
>> > > >> > > >> > life.
>> >
>> > > >> > > >> That's extraordinary. I went through a drinking phase and a pot
>> > > >> > > >> phase.
>> > > >> > > >> Now I drink a little, but I developed a strong adversion to
>> > > >> > > >> liquor.
>> >
>> > > >> > > > I tried pot once when I was 16. I didn't do it anymore because
>> > > >> > > > A. I
>> > > >> > > > didn't like it
>> >
>> > > >> > > How many people got high the first time they smoked?
>> >
>> > > >> > I have no idea.
>> >
>> > > >> > > All you liars can put your hand down.
>> > > >> > > Your as FOS as Clinton.
>> >
>> > > >> > Who is it "your" talking about?
>> >
>> > > >> All you BS'ers claiming to have smoked once,
>> > > >> got high...and didn't like it.
>> >
>> > > > Who said I got high?
>> > > > At any rate, you can believe me or not; I don't care.
>> >
>> > > I believe you tried to smoke pot, couldn't choke it down
>> > > and get past your life ruination paranoia and decided
>> > > you didn't like it but have never been high on pot.
>> >
>> > Pretty close, except for the paranoia.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > >> > You forgot to blame Clinton for world wide drug abuse.
>> >
>> > > >> Let's blame Carter for that. Peanuts can be so
>> > > >> intoxicating.
>> >
>> > > >> > > > B. I was a "good kid"
>> >
>> > > >> > > since gone astray...
>> >
>> > > >> > Yep, I've sunk so low as to try to have conversation with you.
>> >
>> > > >> Sunk low enought to spew gratuitous insults
>> >
>> > > > Yes, I know that you believe that I'm "sinning" when I defend myself.
>> >
>> > > You call that defense? I call it abdication of your integrity
>> > > which isn't all that.
>> >
>> > Whatever. I insult a bit here when I'm first insulted. I can live with
>> > that. It's the coin of this realm.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> spam test posts.
>> >
>> > > > lol Obsess much?
>> >
>> > > Lots
>> >
>> > There it is.
>>
>> Yup, and you're now obsessing about my
>> obsessions. Who's twisted?
>
> I'm not obsessing.

Gee, neither am I. Guess we're both confused...or
perhaps just you.

> You've succeeded in turning a one post thread which
> upsets you

wrong again

> for some reason

I told you, it's called boredom.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in message
...
>
>
> Somebody, please take Terrierdork to the vet.
>
>> > > > Also, I disagree as to the "OT" rubric. I have repeatedly stated, and
>> > > > supported, my opinion that ridicule and mockery of audio religionists
>> > > > are peripherally related to the nominal subject of this group. If you
>> > > > accept my reasoning, that excuses some portion of my posts from being
>> > > > patently OT.
>
>> > > What is an audio religionist?
>
>> > Uh-oh. Another drop in Witlessmongrel's meager IQ. Very sad.
>
>> I seriously doubted your ability to define it yourself.
>
> Still struggling with common English words, I see. Did you even peek at
> those links I gave you yesterday? You depend on "objective" sources of
> information like dictionaries when you need to deflect attention away
> from your stupidity. And yet, hypocrite that you are, you refuse to make
> the slightest effort to learn what every 10-year-old child is expected
> to know.
>
> You give new meaning to the term pathetic, Scooter. You're pitiable and
> lame and imbecilic, and you don't care who knows it.

Pontificate away. Your bluff has been called.
Stand and deliver or STFU you fat incontinent pathetic impotent windbag.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Oooooh! Scottie is maaaaaaad!

> > Still struggling with common English words, I see. Did you even peek at
> > those links I gave you yesterday? You depend on "objective" sources of
> > information like dictionaries when you need to deflect attention away
> > from your stupidity. And yet, hypocrite that you are, you refuse to make
> > the slightest effort to learn what every 10-year-old child is expected
> > to know.

> > You give new meaning to the term pathetic, Scooter. You're pitiable and
> > lame and imbecilic, and you don't care who knows it.

> Your bluff has been called.

Your remaining 3 brain cells have come loose from their moorings.

> Pontificate away.

Yo momma so dumb, she smoked two packs a day during pregnancy.





--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in message
...
>
>
> Oooooh! Scottie is maaaaaaad!

Yeah, pimples on my ass make me sooooo mad.

>
>> > Still struggling with common English words, I see. Did you even peek at
>> > those links I gave you yesterday? You depend on "objective" sources of
>> > information like dictionaries when you need to deflect attention away
>> > from your stupidity. And yet, hypocrite that you are, you refuse to make
>> > the slightest effort to learn what every 10-year-old child is expected
>> > to know.
>
>> > You give new meaning to the term pathetic, Scooter. You're pitiable and
>> > lame and imbecilic, and you don't care who knows it.
>
>> Your bluff has been called.
>
> Your remaining 3 brain cells have come loose from their moorings.

You are a wimp.

ScottW

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 27, 4:15 pm, ScottW > wrote:

> Absolute crock of BS rationalization for
> your childish self amusement.

And what do rashes of OT political posts constitute, other than your
decision to pollute a group for your own "childish self-amusement" (or
to overcome your fear of a "dead" group)?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 27, 9:52 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Stand and deliver or STFU you fat incontinent pathetic impotent windbag.

Very impressive.

Do you 'mind' if I emulate you, you obese diaper-wearing imbecilic
'manly' ;-) intellectual giant?

[ScottW]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jun 27, 4:15 pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
>> Absolute crock of BS rationalization for
>> your childish self amusement.
>
> And what do rashes of OT political posts constitute, other than your
> decision to pollute a group for your own "childish self-amusement" (or
> to overcome your fear of a "dead" group)?

You consider political discussions childish self-amusement?
How odd.
Can you pollute a dead sea?

BTW...do you see me starting OT political threads...yet?
Don't tempt me.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jun 27, 9:52 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> Stand and deliver or STFU you fat incontinent pathetic impotent windbag.
>
> Very impressive.
>
> Do you 'mind' if I emulate you, you obese diaper-wearing imbecilic
> 'manly' ;-) intellectual giant?

I think you lack consistency. Find a theme and stay with it.
Your rambling but not bad for a start.

ScottW

[[email protected]]

Wow. I actually thought that the 70 posts in this thread would
actually be about the Rega P1. Silly me.

Anyway, I've had plenty of experience with this one. Here's what you
should know:

1)It's no better than any of the cheap Music Halls or Pro-Jects in its
stock form. The MDF platter wobbles notably, and the felt mat doesn't
fit right.

2) Replace the MDF platter and felt mat (called an "upgrade kit," and
available from most Rega dealers for $69), and have the dealer upgrade
the Ortofon OM-5e cartridge for an OM-10 or OM-20, and the sound
quality becomes very similar to a stock Rega P2 for about $100 less.

3) Regas may or may not have had speed problems in the past. I owned
two (a P3 from 1992-1998, and a P25 from 1998-2003), and never noticed
a problem. Recently, a dealer friend of mine pulled three P3s from his
stock and tested the speed, and they were all right on. The P1 my
magazine reviewed ran at perfect speed, too.

4) I smoked pot once. It didn't get me high. In fact, it took quite
a few times, IIRC.

Boon

[Joe Duffy]

In article >,
Jenn > wrote:
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>
>In article >,
> George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote:
>
>> Jenn said:
>>
>> > No Scott, it's YOUR attitude. You're all ****ed off because I dared to
>> > do a simple test post in YOUR newsgroup.
>>
>> Scottie is always ****ed off. You're only guessing about what causes it.
>>
>> > You say that you're concerned
>> > about "spamming" the newsgroup, and yet you answer the test post
>> > unnecessarily, thereby creating more of the "spam" that you detest. I
>> > should say "evidently detest" because you create more off-topic spam
>> > than anyone else here, by a large margin. So it's YOUR attitude that
>> > causes you to act as the cop in this situation.
>>
>> None of the posts in question qualifies as spam. Yours was a curiosity,
>> and Scottie's are offal. Notice how Witless just caved when I zeroed in
>> on his mental defects? That's one of his touchiest buttons.
>
>George, I have to say that I made an error in not including you in a
>list of those who create the most off-topic spam here.
>
>I personally don't care if there are off-topic posts or not. It just
>seems odd that someone who obviously DOES care creates so much of it
>himself.



LOL!
Speaking of touchiest buttons, the midjet sure
did squeal while listing the names of friends.
It is actually in society's interest that he does
have friends, even if only in cyberspace.



Joe

[Joe Duffy]

In article >,
George M. Middius <do not reply> wrote:
>
>
>Jenn said:
>
>> I personally don't care if there are off-topic posts or not. It just
>> seems odd that someone who obviously DOES care creates so much of it
>> himself.
>
>Scottie's estrangement from logical thinking is a matter of historial
>record. Like his idol the Krooborg, Terrierdork has his own private
>dialect of human language. His condition allows him to misuse words and
>blithely ignore corrections from non-retards.
>
>

Wow, Jenn, you have actually caused the subroutine
to lock up and spit out midjetspeak!
I commend your ability to push buttons.



Joe

[Joe Duffy]

In article . com>,
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! > wrote:
>On Jun 27, 9:52 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> Stand and deliver or STFU you fat incontinent pathetic impotent windbag.
>
>Very impressive.
>
>Do you 'mind' if I emulate you, you obese diaper-wearing imbecilic
>'manly' ;-) intellectual giant?
>


Hey, Sack-of, where you going with that sack
of Depends in your hand?



Joe

[George M. Middius]

The Doofster is disoriented.

> >Do you 'mind' if I emulate you, you obese diaper-wearing imbecilic
> >'manly' ;-) intellectual giant?

> Hey, Sack-of, where you going with that sack
> of Depends in your hand?

Feeling inferior again, Doof? Can't say I blame you. If I had to look at
a picture of your ugly-ass mama every day, I'd be cranky too.

http://www.geocities.com/glanbrok/RAO_Toons/Doofstory/mama_doof.jpg





--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[George M. Middius]

BTW, Doof, I realize you were trying to insult me with those other two
posts. I didn't reply directly because I couldn't fathom what your point
was. Your other post, in reply to Shushie's, was irresistible. Clearly
you've discovered a combination of liquor and cigars that makes the
complexities ;-) of RAO too much for your limited brainpower.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Bill Riel]

In article om>,
says...
> Wow. I actually thought that the 70 posts in this thread would
> actually be about the Rega P1. Silly me.

Indeed - this is RAO after all.

> Anyway, I've had plenty of experience with this one. Here's what you
> should know:
>
> 1)It's no better than any of the cheap Music Halls or Pro-Jects in its
> stock form. The MDF platter wobbles notably, and the felt mat doesn't
> fit right.
>
> 2) Replace the MDF platter and felt mat (called an "upgrade kit," and
> available from most Rega dealers for $69), and have the dealer upgrade
> the Ortofon OM-5e cartridge for an OM-10 or OM-20, and the sound
> quality becomes very similar to a stock Rega P2 for about $100 less.

I looked at the P1 (haven't listened) but in stock form it *seemed* to
be inferior in build quality than the Pro-Ject entry level stuff. That
impression may have been due to the platter more than anything else
though.

> 3) Regas may or may not have had speed problems in the past. I owned
> two (a P3 from 1992-1998, and a P25 from 1998-2003), and never noticed
> a problem. Recently, a dealer friend of mine pulled three P3s from his
> stock and tested the speed, and they were all right on. The P1 my
> magazine reviewed ran at perfect speed, too.

I've heard from others that speed problems haven't been an issue with
Regas for quite some time, though I have no personal experience one way
or another.

Where did you review the P1? Perhaps in Tone Magazine? I'd like to read
your review.

--
Bill

[George M. Middius]

Bill Riel said:

> > Wow. I actually thought that the 70 posts in this thread would
> > actually be about the Rega P1. Silly me.

> Indeed - this is RAO after all.

Did you see duh-Scottie's latest riff on human language? He said anybody
who doesn't actually own a turntable is a "vinylphobe". That one can go
right next to his delusion that every time he demands an explanation for
something, he's issuing a command from the highest authority. ;-)






--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[ScottW]

On Jun 28, 8:46 am, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Bill Riel said:
>
> > > Wow. I actually thought that the 70 posts in this thread would
> > > actually be about the Rega P1. Silly me.
> > Indeed - this is RAO after all.
>
> Did you see duh-Scottie's latest riff on human language? He said anybody
> who doesn't actually own a turntable is a "vinylphobe".

No, I said you're a vinylphobe. Basically because the effort
required to
get good sound out of vinyl scares the crap out of you.
You and Packer at least this in common.

ScottW

[Bill Riel]

In article >, George M.
Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> says...

> Did you see duh-Scottie's latest riff on human language?

Unfortunately, no. I'm afraid that I'm finding a lot of the back and
forth absolutely mind-numbing and I haven't been keeping up.

> He said anybody who doesn't actually own a turntable is a "vinylphobe".

Hmmm... if you reversed that it sounds an awful lot like something the
beloved Mr. Krueger would say.

--
Bill

[Joe Duffy]

In article >,
George M. Middius <do not reply> wrote:
>
>
>If I had to look at
>a picture of your ugly-ass mama every day, I'd be cranky too.
>

Now, there's the midjet we all know and
love!
Amazing that anyone actually responds to you
at all.



Joe

[George M. Middius]

The Doofster responded to me thusly:

> Amazing that anyone actually responds to you
> at all.






--

See the history of Joe Doofy's family here:
http://www.geocities.com/glanbrok/RAO_Toons/Doofstory/Lineage.htm

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
ScottW > wrote:


> > > You came from a family of prudes who would banish
> > > you for drug use
> >
> > Who said that? Stop making things up.
>
> But they would ruin your life!

Who said "banish"?

>
> >
> > > but accepted your sexual orientation?
> > > Kind of an odd mix.
> >
> > Thanks for displaying a total ignorance of the nature of sexual
> > orientation vs. the choice of illegal drug abuse.
>
> One's against God, the other is against the government.
> Is that it :)?

Nope.

>
> >
> >
> >
> > > > You're a bit
> > > > younger than I; you probably don't remember those times as well as I.
> >
> > > Just a few years. Your implicationt that the whole nation
> > > sufferred your families social paranoia in the 70's is really
> > > a hoot.
> >
> > You're ignorant of the fact that society changed rather suddenly circa
> > 1973/74. Perhaps you should speak to someone a bit older than you about
> > it. Here is a sample of the change: Up until my senior year in high
> > school, men got suspended for 3 days if their hair come over 1/4" over
> > the top of their ears,
>
> Maybe where you went to school but not mine. Not even close.

How old are you?

>
> >or if their sideburns extended to lower than
> > exactly half way down their ears. Women were suspended for 3 days if
> > their skirts were higher than exactly three inches from the middle of
> > their knees. "Smoking in the boy's room" meant a three day suspension;
> > on the third offense, you could be expelled forever. If you were known
> > as a toker, it was presumed widely that you were not "college material"
> > and you were a social outcast to all in school other than other than
> > other weed smokers. This was in the Vista Unified School District, and
> > I'm quite sure that the situation was the same at Sam Marcos Unified.
> > The following year, everything changed.
>
> Total transformation of society in a single year. LOL.
> This is really quite funny.....fictitious but funny.

How old are you?

>
> > Due to a court case statewide
> > (or nationally; I'll have to look that up), all of those rules were out
> > the window. The "good kids" still didn't do drugs, but the change was
> > evident.
>
> While all those evil bad kids got scholarships to Berkley.

I seriously doubt that anyone with a drug bust was offered a scholarship
to any UC school in the early 70s.

> >
> > > Did you go to private school or perhaps a convent?
> >
> > > > > In '75 they decriminalized small time possession completely.
> >
> > > > > > We were told that
> > > > > > such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.
> >
> > > > > Another Reefer Madness victim.
> >
> > > > But true.
> >
> > > What you were told is true or that
> > > you were truly told a lie?
> > > Try to be clear.
> >
> > The former.
>
> Wrong...try again.

Incorrect. I was told that it was true, and it was.

[Jenn]

In article om>,
wrote:

> Wow. I actually thought that the 70 posts in this thread would
> actually be about the Rega P1. Silly me.
>
> Anyway, I've had plenty of experience with this one. Here's what you
> should know:
>
> 1)It's no better than any of the cheap Music Halls or Pro-Jects in its
> stock form. The MDF platter wobbles notably, and the felt mat doesn't
> fit right.
>
> 2) Replace the MDF platter and felt mat (called an "upgrade kit," and
> available from most Rega dealers for $69), and have the dealer upgrade
> the Ortofon OM-5e cartridge for an OM-10 or OM-20, and the sound
> quality becomes very similar to a stock Rega P2 for about $100 less.

Thanks for that info.

>
> 3) Regas may or may not have had speed problems in the past. I owned
> two (a P3 from 1992-1998, and a P25 from 1998-2003), and never noticed
> a problem. Recently, a dealer friend of mine pulled three P3s from his
> stock and tested the speed, and they were all right on. The P1 my
> magazine reviewed ran at perfect speed, too.

Hum... glad to hear that, as I like the sound of the Regas, but I've
certainly heard several with too fast speed.

>
> 4) I smoked pot once. It didn't get me high. In fact, it took quite
> a few times, IIRC.

"Impossible!" ;-)

[[email protected]]

On Jun 28, 8:28?am, Bill Riel > wrote:
> In article om>,
> says...
>
> > Wow. I actually thought that the 70 posts in this thread would
> > actually be about the Rega P1. Silly me.
>
> Indeed - this is RAO after all.
>
> > Anyway, I've had plenty of experience with this one. Here's what you
> > should know:
>
> > 1)It's no better than any of the cheap Music Halls or Pro-Jects in its
> > stock form. The MDF platter wobbles notably, and the felt mat doesn't
> > fit right.
>
> > 2) Replace the MDF platter and felt mat (called an "upgrade kit," and
> > available from most Rega dealers for $69), and have the dealer upgrade
> > the Ortofon OM-5e cartridge for an OM-10 or OM-20, and the sound
> > quality becomes very similar to a stock Rega P2 for about $100 less.
>
> I looked at the P1 (haven't listened) but in stock form it *seemed* to
> be inferior in build quality than the Pro-Ject entry level stuff. That
> impression may have been due to the platter more than anything else
> though.
>
> > 3) Regas may or may not have had speed problems in the past. I owned
> > two (a P3 from 1992-1998, and a P25 from 1998-2003), and never noticed
> > a problem. Recently, a dealer friend of mine pulled three P3s from his
> > stock and tested the speed, and they were all right on. The P1 my
> > magazine reviewed ran at perfect speed, too.
>
> I've heard from others that speed problems haven't been an issue with
> Regas for quite some time, though I have no personal experience one way
> or another.
>
> Where did you review the P1? Perhaps in Tone Magazine? I'd like to read
> your review.
>
> --
> Bill

I didn't review it...Jeff Dorgay did. It's in Issue #9. I've heard
three separate P1s, though...the stock one for review, another stock
one that a friend owns, and the third upgraded version I spoke of.

It's a nice enough 'table for $350, but seeing that stock platter spin
will make your heart sink a little.

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jun 28, 1:09?pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article om>,
>
> wrote:
> > Wow. I actually thought that the 70 posts in this thread would
> > actually be about the Rega P1. Silly me.
>
> > Anyway, I've had plenty of experience with this one. Here's what you
> > should know:
>
> > 1)It's no better than any of the cheap Music Halls or Pro-Jects in its
> > stock form. The MDF platter wobbles notably, and the felt mat doesn't
> > fit right.
>
> > 2) Replace the MDF platter and felt mat (called an "upgrade kit," and
> > available from most Rega dealers for $69), and have the dealer upgrade
> > the Ortofon OM-5e cartridge for an OM-10 or OM-20, and the sound
> > quality becomes very similar to a stock Rega P2 for about $100 less.
>
> Thanks for that info.
>
>
>
> > 3) Regas may or may not have had speed problems in the past. I owned
> > two (a P3 from 1992-1998, and a P25 from 1998-2003), and never noticed
> > a problem. Recently, a dealer friend of mine pulled three P3s from his
> > stock and tested the speed, and they were all right on. The P1 my
> > magazine reviewed ran at perfect speed, too.
>
> Hum... glad to hear that, as I like the sound of the Regas, but I've
> certainly heard several with too fast speed.

The speed issue MAY have had something to do with replacing the belts
in a timely manner. Rega always said to replace the belt every "few"
years, and now they seem to recommend changing it annually. While it
seems unlikely that this is the sole reason why Regas used to run
fast, it tends to fix the problem in many cases. Needless to say,
newer Regas run at the correct speed.

Boon

[ScottW]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> ScottW > wrote:
>
>
>> > > You came from a family of prudes who would banish
>> > > you for drug use
>> >
>> > Who said that? Stop making things up.
>>
>> But they would ruin your life!
>
> Who said "banish"?

Ok...so being banished by your family isn't life ruining.
It is your family.

So what exactly were you afraid would happen to you?


>
>>
>> >
>> > > but accepted your sexual orientation?
>> > > Kind of an odd mix.
>> >
>> > Thanks for displaying a total ignorance of the nature of sexual
>> > orientation vs. the choice of illegal drug abuse.
>>
>> One's against God, the other is against the government.
>> Is that it :)?
>
> Nope.
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > > You're a bit
>> > > > younger than I; you probably don't remember those times as well as I.
>> >
>> > > Just a few years. Your implicationt that the whole nation
>> > > sufferred your families social paranoia in the 70's is really
>> > > a hoot.
>> >
>> > You're ignorant of the fact that society changed rather suddenly circa
>> > 1973/74. Perhaps you should speak to someone a bit older than you about
>> > it. Here is a sample of the change: Up until my senior year in high
>> > school, men got suspended for 3 days if their hair come over 1/4" over
>> > the top of their ears,
>>
>> Maybe where you went to school but not mine. Not even close.
>
> How old are you?

Old enough. I was in high school in the time frame in question.

>
>>
>> >or if their sideburns extended to lower than
>> > exactly half way down their ears. Women were suspended for 3 days if
>> > their skirts were higher than exactly three inches from the middle of
>> > their knees. "Smoking in the boy's room" meant a three day suspension;
>> > on the third offense, you could be expelled forever. If you were known
>> > as a toker, it was presumed widely that you were not "college material"
>> > and you were a social outcast to all in school other than other than
>> > other weed smokers. This was in the Vista Unified School District, and
>> > I'm quite sure that the situation was the same at Sam Marcos Unified.
>> > The following year, everything changed.
>>
>> Total transformation of society in a single year. LOL.
>> This is really quite funny.....fictitious but funny.
>
> How old are you?

Old enough to remember.

>
>>
>> > Due to a court case statewide
>> > (or nationally; I'll have to look that up), all of those rules were out
>> > the window. The "good kids" still didn't do drugs, but the change was
>> > evident.
>>
>> While all those evil bad kids got scholarships to Berkley.
>
> I seriously doubt that anyone with a drug bust was offered a scholarship
> to any UC school in the early 70s.

How would they know? Juvenile records are sealed.

>
>> >
>> > > Did you go to private school or perhaps a convent?
>> >
>> > > > > In '75 they decriminalized small time possession completely.
>> >
>> > > > > > We were told that
>> > > > > > such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.
>> >
>> > > > > Another Reefer Madness victim.
>> >
>> > > > But true.
>> >
>> > > What you were told is true or that
>> > > you were truly told a lie?
>> > > Try to be clear.
>> >
>> > The former.
>>
>> Wrong...try again.
>
> Incorrect. I was told that it was true, and it was.

Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
compared to Ca. in the 70's.

What was the first rock concert you recall attending?

ScottW

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article . com>,
> > ScottW > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> > > You came from a family of prudes who would banish
> >> > > you for drug use
> >> >
> >> > Who said that? Stop making things up.
> >>
> >> But they would ruin your life!
> >
> > Who said "banish"?
>
> Ok...so being banished by your family isn't life ruining.
> It is your family.

I didn't say that either. Why do you make things up?

>
> So what exactly were you afraid would happen to you?

Extreme disappoint from my family, friends, church, etc. Possible bust,
ruining college plans. You can't understand that risking that was not
worth sucking on some weed? Says more about you than me, I think.

>
>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> > > but accepted your sexual orientation?
> >> > > Kind of an odd mix.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for displaying a total ignorance of the nature of sexual
> >> > orientation vs. the choice of illegal drug abuse.
> >>
> >> One's against God, the other is against the government.
> >> Is that it :)?
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > > You're a bit
> >> > > > younger than I; you probably don't remember those times as well as
> >> > > > I.
> >> >
> >> > > Just a few years. Your implicationt that the whole nation
> >> > > sufferred your families social paranoia in the 70's is really
> >> > > a hoot.
> >> >
> >> > You're ignorant of the fact that society changed rather suddenly circa
> >> > 1973/74. Perhaps you should speak to someone a bit older than you about
> >> > it. Here is a sample of the change: Up until my senior year in high
> >> > school, men got suspended for 3 days if their hair come over 1/4" over
> >> > the top of their ears,
> >>
> >> Maybe where you went to school but not mine. Not even close.
> >
> > How old are you?
>
> Old enough. I was in high school in the time frame in question.

IIRC, you were probably in JHS during 71/72. True?

>
> >
> >>
> >> >or if their sideburns extended to lower than
> >> > exactly half way down their ears. Women were suspended for 3 days if
> >> > their skirts were higher than exactly three inches from the middle of
> >> > their knees. "Smoking in the boy's room" meant a three day suspension;
> >> > on the third offense, you could be expelled forever. If you were known
> >> > as a toker, it was presumed widely that you were not "college material"
> >> > and you were a social outcast to all in school other than other than
> >> > other weed smokers. This was in the Vista Unified School District, and
> >> > I'm quite sure that the situation was the same at Sam Marcos Unified.
> >> > The following year, everything changed.
> >>
> >> Total transformation of society in a single year. LOL.
> >> This is really quite funny.....fictitious but funny.

Scott, if you're going to keep claiming that I lie to you, why don't you
simply stop conversing? I have no interest in beating my head against
your wall.

> >
> > How old are you?
>
> Old enough to remember.
>
> >
> >>
> >> > Due to a court case statewide
> >> > (or nationally; I'll have to look that up), all of those rules were out
> >> > the window. The "good kids" still didn't do drugs, but the change was
> >> > evident.
> >>
> >> While all those evil bad kids got scholarships to Berkley.
> >
> > I seriously doubt that anyone with a drug bust was offered a scholarship
> > to any UC school in the early 70s.
>
> How would they know? Juvenile records are sealed.

Honestly, you can't figure that out?

>
> >
> >> >
> >> > > Did you go to private school or perhaps a convent?
> >> >
> >> > > > > In '75 they decriminalized small time possession completely.
> >> >
> >> > > > > > We were told that
> >> > > > > > such a thing would affect college acceptance, scholarships, etc.
> >> >
> >> > > > > Another Reefer Madness victim.
> >> >
> >> > > > But true.
> >> >
> >> > > What you were told is true or that
> >> > > you were truly told a lie?
> >> > > Try to be clear.
> >> >
> >> > The former.
> >>
> >> Wrong...try again.
> >
> > Incorrect. I was told that it was true, and it was.
>
> Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
> compared to Ca. in the 70's.

We're talking about the very early 70s, Scott. I'm sorry that you don't
remember. If you want to educate yourself about the nature of the
change in schools in that period, I refer you to the fallout of the King
Vs. Saddleback College case (just up the I5 from you), the Olff vs. East
Side Union High School District case, the Tinker case, cases concerning
locker searches, etc. If you do this, you will find that, yes, things
changed rather suddenly in the early 70s. Societal paranoia brought on
in reaction to the Manson case (crimes: 1969, trial and conviction:
70-71) and other events contributed to strong drug sentences in the
early 70s.

>
> What was the first rock concert you recall attending?

None that I can recall, until my 40s. Closest thing as a kid would have
been school dances.

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said to Witlessmongrel:

> > Ok...so being banished by your family isn't life ruining.
> > It is your family.

> I didn't say that either. Why do you make things up?

I'm sure you meant that question to be rhetorical. Even so, the answer
bears repeating: Scottie is only comfortable when he can conduct both
"sides" of a "debate" inside his own head. His malfunctioning mind is
not capable of addressing thoughts from normal people, so he retreats
into his little asylum and "answers" random impulses that he invents.

Note that he doesn't do this for his own amusement. That is how he
characterizes my posts, and Scottie is, above all, not a hypocrite.





--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[ScottW]

On Jun 28, 9:48 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,

> > What was the first rock concert you recall attending?
>
> None that I can recall, until my 40s. Closest thing as a kid would have
> been school dances.

OMG, That explains a lot. I consider you a victim of child abuse.
Average American kid your were not.
I'm trying to remember my first concert. I think it was Black Oak
Arkansas
in the school gym as freshman or maybe it was sneeking into
the Call Ballroom to watch REO Speedwagon before they
had an album out.
First really awesome concert was Wishbone Ash & Climax Blues
Band live at the Rocket in Davenport Ia. Second row center.
What a show!

ScottW

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 28, 7:50 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
> compared to Ca. in the 70's.

Serious question: do you take yourself seriously, even the slightest
amount? If so, I pity you.

> What was the first rock concert you recall attending?

The Monkees in 1967. They had the Monkeemobile in the lobby.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 28, 11:48 pm, Jenn > wrote:

> Scott, if you're going to keep claiming that I lie to you, why don't you
> simply stop conversing? I have no interest in beating my head against
> your wall.

CORRECTION: That is not a wall, it's his skull. His skull allegedly
houses a 'brain.' Science cannot confirm this, however, as his skull
is made out of an Impervium/Inpenetratum alloy. This dual-action
material blocks X-ray or MRI investigations to confirm the presence of
this so-called 'brain,' and it also simultaneously acts as a shield
against learning anything.

This "outside-in, inside-out" blocking action is what stymies his best
efforts at communication.

It is the crushing density of his skull that is at the root of his
many problems. It is easy to see how you confused it with a wall.

[ScottW]

On Jun 29, 11:00 am, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 7:50 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
> > compared to Ca. in the 70's.
>
> Serious question: do you take yourself seriously, even the slightest
> amount? If so, I pity you.

Can I get a little remorse too?
How about some records?

>
> > What was the first rock concert you recall attending?
>
> The Monkees in 1967. They had the Monkeemobile in the lobby.

You might want to keep that tidbit of trivia to yourself.

ScottW

[Joe Duffy]

In article om>,
ScottW > wrote:
>I'm trying to remember my first concert. I think it was Black Oak
>Arkansas
>in the school gym as freshman or maybe it was sneeking into
>the Call Ballroom to watch REO Speedwagon before they
>had an album out.
>First really awesome concert was Wishbone Ash & Climax Blues
>Band live at the Rocket in Davenport Ia. Second row center.
>What a show!
>


You didn't have to mention Iowa to give away
the midwestern nature of these bands.
I haven't heard Black Oak Arkansas or Wishbone Ash
in decades.
I really liked The Climax Blues Band.
For some reason they make me think of Tower of Power.
Probably horns.



Joe

[Jenn]

In article om>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Jun 28, 9:48 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
>
> > > What was the first rock concert you recall attending?
> >
> > None that I can recall, until my 40s. Closest thing as a kid would have
> > been school dances.
>
> OMG, That explains a lot. I consider you a victim of child abuse.
> Average American kid your were not.

Never said that I was!

> I'm trying to remember my first concert. I think it was Black Oak
> Arkansas
> in the school gym as freshman or maybe it was sneeking into
> the Call Ballroom to watch REO Speedwagon before they
> had an album out.
> First really awesome concert was Wishbone Ash & Climax Blues
> Band live at the Rocket in Davenport Ia. Second row center.
> What a show!
>
> ScottW

Well, I've played in the orchestra for Moody Blues and Yes symphonic
concerts if those count. Both with the Reno Philharmonic. Very fun.
Jon Anderson of Yes lives about 5 miles from me now, and I run into him
and his daughter once in a while.

Most of the live non-classical concerts that I've attended are by
acoustic fingerstyle guitarists (a passion of mine for the past 2
years), and various folk-ish acts. Simon and Garfunkel, Garfunkel by
himself, John Denver, etc. And I heard several Peter Paul and Mary
concerts before my association with them began. I've heard several
"revival" or "oldie" concerts: Three Dog Night, Gary Pucket, et al.
Not a rock concert, but I caught a great set by B.B. King a few years
ago. Fun. And then of course, there are the many, many Broadway shows
and concerts, both as audience member and as conductor/player.

[Jenn]

In article m>,
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! > wrote:

> On Jun 28, 7:50 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
> > compared to Ca. in the 70's.
>
> Serious question: do you take yourself seriously, even the slightest
> amount? If so, I pity you.
>
> > What was the first rock concert you recall attending?
>
> The Monkees in 1967. They had the Monkeemobile in the lobby.

Now THAT'S cool! Believe it or not, they were among my first
inspiration, especially the later stuff where they really played
everything. The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
(surely the most heard bass player in the world) is a person I greatly
admire and a person I've done a couple of gigs with. I know most of the
brass players from their early things too. Oh the stories they tell!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 29, 1:13 pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 29, 11:00 am, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
>
> > wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 7:50 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > > Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
> > > compared to Ca. in the 70's.
>
> > Serious question: do you take yourself seriously, even the slightest
> > amount? If so, I pity you.
>
> Can I get a little remorse too?

Huh?

LOL!

> How about some records?

The record for uninturrupted blind audio testing is 45 years.

That individual is still trying to decide whether to buy a Marantz
Model 7 or a MacIntosh C-22 preamp. He likes the sound of the Marantz,
but he can't be SURE it isn't some visually-cued MacIntosh bias.

> > > What was the first rock concert you recall attending?
>
> > The Monkees in 1967. They had the Monkeemobile in the lobby.
>
> You might want to keep that tidbit of trivia to yourself.

Why?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 29, 2:12 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article m>,
> Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! > wrote:
>
> > On Jun 28, 7:50 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > > Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
> > > compared to Ca. in the 70's.
>
> > Serious question: do you take yourself seriously, even the slightest
> > amount? If so, I pity you.
>
> > > What was the first rock concert you recall attending?
>
> > The Monkees in 1967. They had the Monkeemobile in the lobby.
>
> Now THAT'S cool! Believe it or not, they were among my first
> inspiration, especially the later stuff where they really played
> everything. The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
> (surely the most heard bass player in the world) is a person I greatly
> admire and a person I've done a couple of gigs with. I know most of the
> brass players from their early things too. Oh the stories they tell!

Do you know if they actually played in concert, or were they lip
synching to a tape? At the time, of course, I never would have had
such a thought. And there was the very Monkeemobile, as seen on TV!

It really WAS kind of cool (I was six or seven). At that time, if you
couldn't see The Beatles, The Monkees were a very close second.

Lots of flashes from Kodak Brownies, lots of screaming preteen girls
trying to emulate footage from A Hard Day's Night. I think I even
remember the warmup band's name: The Sunsets. They had everybody take
a picture at the same time. Some people were distraught that they
couldn't get their cameras out in time, missing "The Moment."

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! > wrote:

> On Jun 29, 2:12 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article m>,
> > Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! > wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 28, 7:50 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> > > > Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
> > > > compared to Ca. in the 70's.
> >
> > > Serious question: do you take yourself seriously, even the slightest
> > > amount? If so, I pity you.
> >
> > > > What was the first rock concert you recall attending?
> >
> > > The Monkees in 1967. They had the Monkeemobile in the lobby.
> >
> > Now THAT'S cool! Believe it or not, they were among my first
> > inspiration, especially the later stuff where they really played
> > everything. The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
> > (surely the most heard bass player in the world) is a person I greatly
> > admire and a person I've done a couple of gigs with. I know most of the
> > brass players from their early things too. Oh the stories they tell!
>
> Do you know if they actually played in concert, or were they lip
> synching to a tape? At the time, of course, I never would have had
> such a thought. And there was the very Monkeemobile, as seen on TV!

They played some and sang all. There was a band in the background
(often backstage) made up of studio musicians covering most of the
parts. Once they started doing all of the playing themselves (from
"Headquarters" on) they seldom played live.

>
> It really WAS kind of cool (I was six or seven). At that time, if you
> couldn't see The Beatles, The Monkees were a very close second.
>
> Lots of flashes from Kodak Brownies, lots of screaming preteen girls
> trying to emulate footage from A Hard Day's Night. I think I even
> remember the warmup band's name: The Sunsets. They had everybody take
> a picture at the same time. Some people were distraught that they
> couldn't get their cameras out in time, missing "The Moment."

;-)

They really did have a lot of talent, in spite of the insipid TV show
for which they were created. Jones was a really good singer, Dolenz a
decent drummer, good singer, and high energy guy, Tork is a good song
writer, fair singer, and good multi-instrumentalist (he still plays gigs
around L.A.) and Nesmith is a VERY talented songwriter, decent
guitarist, and he basically invented the music video format.

[ScottW]

On Jun 29, 11:54 am, (Joe Duffy) wrote:
> In article om>,
>
> ScottW > wrote:
> >I'm trying to remember my first concert. I think it was Black Oak
> >Arkansas
> >in the school gym as freshman or maybe it was sneeking into
> >the Call Ballroom to watch REO Speedwagon before they
> >had an album out.
> >First really awesome concert was Wishbone Ash & Climax Blues
> >Band live at the Rocket in Davenport Ia. Second row center.
> >What a show!
>
> You didn't have to mention Iowa to give away
> the midwestern nature of these bands.
> I haven't heard Black Oak Arkansas or Wishbone Ash
> in decades.

Not sure what midwestern nature a British band like
Wishbone Ash has. I think CBB started in
Chicago. REO formed at UofIllinois where
I went to school but they were in every big
club with bi-weekly gigs in the Cal for a long
time.

> I really liked The Climax Blues Band.
> For some reason they make me think of Tower of Power.
> Probably horns.

They definitely got more poppish later with Stamp Album.
They were doing FM/Live in this show....awesome.
Rich Man is one of my faves as well.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > > The Monkees in 1967. They had the Monkeemobile in the lobby.

> > You might want to keep that tidbit of trivia to yourself.

> Why?

Scottie is afraid of Mickey.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[MiNe 109]

In article . com>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Jun 29, 11:54 am, (Joe Duffy) wrote:
> > In article om>,
> >
> > ScottW > wrote:
> > >I'm trying to remember my first concert. I think it was Black Oak
> > >Arkansas
> > >in the school gym as freshman or maybe it was sneeking into
> > >the Call Ballroom to watch REO Speedwagon before they
> > >had an album out.
> > >First really awesome concert was Wishbone Ash & Climax Blues
> > >Band live at the Rocket in Davenport Ia. Second row center.
> > >What a show!
> >
> > You didn't have to mention Iowa to give away
> > the midwestern nature of these bands.
> > I haven't heard Black Oak Arkansas or Wishbone Ash
> > in decades.
>
> Not sure what midwestern nature a British band like
> Wishbone Ash has. I think CBB started in
> Chicago.

Also British.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

Jenn a scris:
The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
> (surely the most heard bass player in the world) .....

you just can't beat those California Girls!!

[MiNe 109]

In article . com>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> Jenn a scris:
> The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
> > (surely the most heard bass player in the world) .....
>
> you just can't beat those California Girls!!

An hommage to Diamond Dave's video by the Dresden Dolls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awnjw36mNEs

"Shores of California"

Stephen

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> Jenn a scris:
> The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
> > (surely the most heard bass player in the world) .....
>
> you just can't beat those California Girls!!

Right on! She truly is an amazing person and talent. She played just
about ALL of the TV and movie scores that called for electric bass for 3
freaking decades. Any TV or movie score from the 60s, 70s, 80s, chances
are it's her that you're hearing, even a bit presently. Plus the Beach
Boys, Monkees, Simon and Garfunkel, Elvis, The Supremes, The Carpenters,
Stevie Wonder, Sinatra, and on and on. The bass is all her. Even THe
Doors' Light my Fire!

[MiNe 109]

In article . com>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> Jenn a scris:
> The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
> > (surely the most heard bass player in the world) .....
>
> you just can't beat those California Girls!!

She has a cool website, too:

http://www.carolkaye.com/

Check out the "bass only" samples on the "bass hits" page.

Stephen

[ScottW]

"MiNe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> ScottW > wrote:
>
>> On Jun 29, 11:54 am, (Joe Duffy) wrote:
>> > In article om>,
>> >
>> > ScottW > wrote:
>> > >I'm trying to remember my first concert. I think it was Black Oak
>> > >Arkansas
>> > >in the school gym as freshman or maybe it was sneeking into
>> > >the Call Ballroom to watch REO Speedwagon before they
>> > >had an album out.
>> > >First really awesome concert was Wishbone Ash & Climax Blues
>> > >Band live at the Rocket in Davenport Ia. Second row center.
>> > >What a show!
>> >
>> > You didn't have to mention Iowa to give away
>> > the midwestern nature of these bands.
>> > I haven't heard Black Oak Arkansas or Wishbone Ash
>> > in decades.
>>
>> Not sure what midwestern nature a British band like
>> Wishbone Ash has. I think CBB started in
>> Chicago.
>
> Also British.

Yeah, you're right. It was the Climax Chicago Blues Band they
played as for a bit that had the windy city in my mind.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Jun 29, 1:13 pm, ScottW > wrote:
>> On Jun 29, 11:00 am, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
>>
>> > wrote:
>> > On Jun 28, 7:50 pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>
>> > > Lol...who knew the heartland of America was so progressive
>> > > compared to Ca. in the 70's.
>>
>> > Serious question: do you take yourself seriously, even the slightest
>> > amount? If so, I pity you.
>>
>> Can I get a little remorse too?
>
> Huh?

Ok...got any gratitude? Go fish.

>
> LOL!
>
>> How about some records?
>
> The record for uninturrupted blind audio testing is 45 years.
>
> That individual is still trying to decide whether to buy a Marantz
> Model 7 or a MacIntosh C-22 preamp. He likes the sound of the Marantz,
> but he can't be SURE it isn't some visually-cued MacIntosh bias.
>
>> > > What was the first rock concert you recall attending?
>>
>> > The Monkees in 1967. They had the Monkeemobile in the lobby.
>>
>> You might want to keep that tidbit of trivia to yourself.
>
> Why?

Did you know the editor of Rolling Stone is personally waging
a campaign to prevent the Monkess from being admitted to the
R&R Hall of Fame? Something to do with them being the first
band created by a talent search, the original American Idol.
One of 'em was on O'Reilly and seemed to think that was pretty
cool.

ScottW

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . com>,
> > ScottW > wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 29, 11:54 am, (Joe Duffy) wrote:
> >> > In article om>,
> >> >
> >> > ScottW > wrote:
> >> > >I'm trying to remember my first concert. I think it was Black Oak
> >> > >Arkansas
> >> > >in the school gym as freshman or maybe it was sneeking into
> >> > >the Call Ballroom to watch REO Speedwagon before they
> >> > >had an album out.
> >> > >First really awesome concert was Wishbone Ash & Climax Blues
> >> > >Band live at the Rocket in Davenport Ia. Second row center.
> >> > >What a show!
> >> >
> >> > You didn't have to mention Iowa to give away
> >> > the midwestern nature of these bands.
> >> > I haven't heard Black Oak Arkansas or Wishbone Ash
> >> > in decades.
> >>
> >> Not sure what midwestern nature a British band like
> >> Wishbone Ash has. I think CBB started in
> >> Chicago.
> >
> > Also British.
>
> Yeah, you're right. It was the Climax Chicago Blues Band they
> played as for a bit that had the windy city in my mind.

I didn't know about the name change. I only noticed them after "Couldn't
Get It Right," another great cowbell song.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

Jenn a scris:
> In article . com>,
> Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > Jenn a scris:
> > The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
> > > (surely the most heard bass player in the world) .....
> >
> > you just can't beat those California Girls!!
>
> Right on! She truly is an amazing person and talent. She played just
> about ALL of the TV and movie scores that called for electric bass for 3
> freaking decades. Any TV or movie score from the 60s, 70s, 80s, chances
> are it's her that you're hearing, even a bit presently. Plus the Beach
> Boys, Monkees, Simon and Garfunkel, Elvis, The Supremes, The Carpenters,
> Stevie Wonder, Sinatra, and on and on. The bass is all her. Even THe
> Doors' Light my Fire!

i'll even forgive her for using a pick.

[Jenn]

In article . com>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> Jenn a scris:
> > In article . com>,
> > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> > > Jenn a scris:
> > > The woman who played bass on the early things, Carol Kaye
> > > > (surely the most heard bass player in the world) .....
> > >
> > > you just can't beat those California Girls!!
> >
> > Right on! She truly is an amazing person and talent. She played just
> > about ALL of the TV and movie scores that called for electric bass for 3
> > freaking decades. Any TV or movie score from the 60s, 70s, 80s, chances
> > are it's her that you're hearing, even a bit presently. Plus the Beach
> > Boys, Monkees, Simon and Garfunkel, Elvis, The Supremes, The Carpenters,
> > Stevie Wonder, Sinatra, and on and on. The bass is all her. Even THe
> > Doors' Light my Fire!
>
> i'll even forgive her for using a pick.

Yep, for specific sounds. McCartney uses one all the time, doesn't he?