More problems (narration, again)

[Igor (t4a)]

Time flies but some problems just remain. In the meantime I tested the
AT 2020, the B5 and the RE-20. The first two microphones were plain
too noisy. The third mic revealed another problem. My initial
suspicion was that the RE-20 was the culprit. The extracted problem
can be found right here:

http://home.arcor.de/t2c/re20-extract.mp3 (11KB)

This rather expensive microphone had come with photocopies of its
techical data sheet and quality control sheet which aroused my
suspicion that it could be some returned and damaged item. Therefore I
returned it quickly.

Only later I discovered that the preamp could be the source of the
problem.

The recording distance is much greater now, about 10 inches. Therefore
gain is at maximum and the master fader is set to + 6dB. However, also
the Beta 58 produces the same rattling noise as the RE-20 did:

http://home.arcor.de/t2c/vx2496.mp3 (428KB)

1. because you never *know* ...
2. when he left them the workmen used to talk him over *among*
themselves...
3. talking *away* with his hands in his pockets ..

Although, I am much more comfortable with the current microphone
positioning I tested some equalizer settings. Here is a file that
compares the original recording with one set of equalizing parameters
(VX2496 and Beta 58).

http://home.arcor.de/t2c/sp.mp3 (1.3MB)

Is it clear which is the original and which is the processed
recording?

Of course, you are invited to comment...

Regards,
Igor

[hank alrich]

Igor (t4a) > wrote:

> Time flies but some problems just remain. In the meantime I tested the
> AT 2020, the B5 and the RE-20. The first two microphones were plain
> too noisy. The third mic revealed another problem. My initial
> suspicion was that the RE-20 was the culprit. The extracted problem
> can be found right here:
>
> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/re20-extract.mp3 (11KB)
>
> This rather expensive microphone had come with photocopies of its
> techical data sheet and quality control sheet which aroused my
> suspicion that it could be some returned and damaged item. Therefore I
> returned it quickly.
>
> Only later I discovered that the preamp could be the source of the
> problem.
>
> The recording distance is much greater now, about 10 inches. Therefore
> gain is at maximum and the master fader is set to + 6dB. However, also
> the Beta 58 produces the same rattling noise as the RE-20 did:
>
> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/vx2496.mp3 (428KB)
>
> 1. because you never *know* ...
> 2. when he left them the workmen used to talk him over *among*
> themselves...
> 3. talking *away* with his hands in his pockets ..
>
> Although, I am much more comfortable with the current microphone
> positioning I tested some equalizer settings. Here is a file that
> compares the original recording with one set of equalizing parameters
> (VX2496 and Beta 58).
>
> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/sp.mp3 (1.3MB)
>
> Is it clear which is the original and which is the processed
> recording?
>
> Of course, you are invited to comment...
>
> Regards,
> Igor

Igor, I haven't time right this momenht to listen, but I would ask if
you did try the RE20 up close. It is designed to significantly reduce
proximity effect and can be worked very closely, which might mean you
could reduce your preamp gain setting.
--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[Steve King]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
...
> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
>
>> Time flies but some problems just remain. In the meantime I tested the
>> AT 2020, the B5 and the RE-20. The first two microphones were plain
>> too noisy. The third mic revealed another problem. My initial
>> suspicion was that the RE-20 was the culprit. The extracted problem
>> can be found right here:
>>
>> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/re20-extract.mp3 (11KB)
>>
>> This rather expensive microphone had come with photocopies of its
>> techical data sheet and quality control sheet which aroused my
>> suspicion that it could be some returned and damaged item. Therefore I
>> returned it quickly.
>>
>> Only later I discovered that the preamp could be the source of the
>> problem.
>>
>> The recording distance is much greater now, about 10 inches. Therefore
>> gain is at maximum and the master fader is set to + 6dB. However, also
>> the Beta 58 produces the same rattling noise as the RE-20 did:
>>
>> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/vx2496.mp3 (428KB)
>>
>> 1. because you never *know* ...
>> 2. when he left them the workmen used to talk him over *among*
>> themselves...
>> 3. talking *away* with his hands in his pockets ..
>>
>> Although, I am much more comfortable with the current microphone
>> positioning I tested some equalizer settings. Here is a file that
>> compares the original recording with one set of equalizing parameters
>> (VX2496 and Beta 58).
>>
>> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/sp.mp3 (1.3MB)
>>
>> Is it clear which is the original and which is the processed
>> recording?
>>
>> Of course, you are invited to comment...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Igor
>
> Igor, I haven't time right this momenht to listen, but I would ask if
> you did try the RE20 up close. It is designed to significantly reduce
> proximity effect and can be worked very closely, which might mean you
> could reduce your preamp gain setting.
> --
> ha
> Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

Many narrators work an RE20 almost touching the lips. That may or may not
work for you. The RE20 does not pop easily, but you can pop it working the
mic very close. You may hear more mouth noise working the mic closely.

Steve King

[TimPerry]

Steve King wrote:
> "hank alrich" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
>>
>>> Time flies but some problems just remain. In the meantime I tested
>>> the AT 2020, the B5 and the RE-20. The first two microphones were
>>> plain too noisy. The third mic revealed another problem. My initial
>>> suspicion was that the RE-20 was the culprit. The extracted problem
>>> can be found right here:
>>>
>>> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/re20-extract.mp3 (11KB)
>>>
>>> This rather expensive microphone had come with photocopies of its
>>> techical data sheet and quality control sheet which aroused my
>>> suspicion that it could be some returned and damaged item.

the test data amplitude is magnified in comparison to similar data form
other manufactures.
the variations you see are just not relevent.


>>> Therefore I returned it quickly.
>>>
>>> Only later I discovered that the preamp could be the source of the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> The recording distance is much greater now, about 10 inches.
>>> Therefore gain is at maximum and the master fader is set to + 6dB.
>>> However, also the Beta 58 produces the same rattling noise as the
>>> RE-20 did:

try the RE-27 N/D it does not sound exactly the same as the 20 but it is
similar with a hotter output.

the EV n/d 767 should do a pretty good job also

[Igor (t4a)]

On 4 Apr., 23:28, (hank alrich) wrote:
> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
> > Time flies but some problems just remain. In the meantime I tested the
> > AT 2020, the B5 and the RE-20. The first two microphones were plain
> > too noisy. The third mic revealed another problem. My initial
> > suspicion was that the RE-20 was the culprit. The extracted problem
> > can be found right here:
>
> >http://home.arcor.de/t2c/re20-extract.mp3(11KB)
>
> > This rather expensive microphone had come with photocopies of its
> > techical data sheet and quality control sheet which aroused my
> > suspicion that it could be some returned and damaged item. Therefore I
> > returned it quickly.
>
> > Only later I discovered that the preamp could be the source of the
> > problem.
>
> > The recording distance is much greater now, about 10 inches. Therefore
> > gain is at maximum and the master fader is set to + 6dB. However, also
> > the Beta 58 produces the same rattling noise as the RE-20 did:
>
> >http://home.arcor.de/t2c/vx2496.mp3(428KB)
>
> > 1. because you never *know* ...
> > 2. when he left them the workmen used to talk him over *among*
> > themselves...
> > 3. talking *away* with his hands in his pockets ..
>
> > Although, I am much more comfortable with the current microphone
> > positioning I tested some equalizer settings. Here is a file that
> > compares the original recording with one set of equalizing parameters
> > (VX2496 and Beta 58).
>
> >http://home.arcor.de/t2c/sp.mp3(1.3MB)
>
> > Is it clear which is the original and which is the processed
> > recording?
>
> > Of course, you are invited to comment...
>
> > Regards,
> > Igor
>
> Igor, I haven't time right this momenht to listen, but I would ask if
> you did try the RE20 up close. It is designed to significantly reduce
> proximity effect and can be worked very closely, which might mean you
> could reduce your preamp gain setting.


Thank you, Hank. I tested a number of microphone placements and
talking styles. What I found is, based my own judgment, that a rather
quiet talking style gives the voice room and character. I can speak
louder much louder but the voice becomes tinny then as if using a
megaphone.

However, when talking quietly the ratio wanted noise / mouth noise
becomes lower. Therefore positioning the microphone above my nose can
compensate such problems to a certain extent. If the mic can actually
"look into the mouth" I get noises by simply opening and closing my
mouth. Maybe my anatomy disqualifies me as a "talent" here. So, if
there is not much talent in me I got work to do. ;-)

I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.


Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)


Regards,
Igor

[Mike Rivers]

On Apr 5, 4:17 am, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:

> > > AT 2020, the B5 and the RE-20.

> I tested a number of microphone placements and
> talking styles. What I found is, based my own judgment, that a rather
> quiet talking style gives the voice room and character.

> However, when talking quietly the ratio wanted noise / mouth noise
> becomes lower. Therefore positioning the microphone above my nose can
> compensate such problems to a certain extent.

That's the correct approach. Understand, though, that the RE20 is a
relatively low-sensitivity mic - lower voltage out than some other
mics for the same sound pressure level. The quieter you speak and the
further you get the mic out of the "line of fire" the lower the SPL at
the mic, so you'll need more preamp gain in order to get the record
level up where you want it. And it has to be clean and quiet gain so
that you don't add a lot of hiss when bring up the level. This may
mean using something better than a Behringer preamp.

[Scott Dorsey]

Igor (t4a) > wrote:
>I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
>opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
>However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
>opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.
>
>
>Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
>surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
>move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
>want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)

I can't really tell from the MP3, but the rattling sound might be
crossover distortion. Time for a real preamp.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:03:43 -0400, Igor (t4a) wrote
(in article om>):

>
> Time flies but some problems just remain. In the meantime I tested the
> AT 2020, the B5 and the RE-20. The first two microphones were plain
> too noisy. The third mic revealed another problem. My initial
> suspicion was that the RE-20 was the culprit. The extracted problem
> can be found right here:
>
> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/re20-extract.mp3 (11KB)

Um, what problem?
>
> This rather expensive microphone had come with photocopies of its
> techical data sheet and quality control sheet which aroused my
> suspicion that it could be some returned and damaged item. Therefore I
> returned it quickly.
>
> Only later I discovered that the preamp could be the source of the
> problem.
>
> The recording distance is much greater now, about 10 inches. Therefore
> gain is at maximum and the master fader is set to + 6dB. However, also
> the Beta 58 produces the same rattling noise as the RE-20 did:
>
> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/vx2496.mp3 (428KB)

Um, I don't hear a rattling, other than the voice.
>
> 1. because you never *know* ...
> 2. when he left them the workmen used to talk him over *among*
> themselves...
> 3. talking *away* with his hands in his pockets ..
>
> Although, I am much more comfortable with the current microphone
> positioning I tested some equalizer settings. Here is a file that
> compares the original recording with one set of equalizing parameters
> (VX2496 and Beta 58).
>
> http://home.arcor.de/t2c/sp.mp3 (1.3MB)
>
> Is it clear which is the original and which is the processed
> recording?

the first one is a bit brighter.

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
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[Igor (t4a)]

On 5 Apr., 15:31, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
> >I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
> >opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
> >However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
> >opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.
>
> >Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
> >surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
> >move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
> >want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)
>
> I can't really tell from the MP3, but the rattling sound might be
> crossover distortion. Time for a real preamp.


Interesting, that a large part of listeners don't recognize the
rattling problem at all. So, if anyone else can hear it, please say
so. Otherwise the preamp producer will put me in the boobyhatch. ;-)

Here is some of the raw material. "Enjoy." ;-) Sorry, I can't upload
tens ob MBs at the time (connected with 56kbps).

http://download.yousendit.com/08C20C870543AE42 (1MB)

Please disregard my performance. It was the evening of a bad day and
the most expensive microphone I wanted to buy in my life produced a
rattling sound or did it "rustle"? Whatever, when I made this
recording I already knew I wouldn't keep it.

> Time for a real preamp.

I'll consider it.

Igor

[Don Pearce]

On 5 Apr 2007 08:09:35 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:

>On 5 Apr., 15:31, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
>> >I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
>> >opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
>> >However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
>> >opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.
>>
>> >Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
>> >surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
>> >move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
>> >want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)
>>
>> I can't really tell from the MP3, but the rattling sound might be
>> crossover distortion. Time for a real preamp.
>
>
>Interesting, that a large part of listeners don't recognize the
>rattling problem at all. So, if anyone else can hear it, please say
>so. Otherwise the preamp producer will put me in the boobyhatch. ;-)
>
>Here is some of the raw material. "Enjoy." ;-) Sorry, I can't upload
>tens ob MBs at the time (connected with 56kbps).
>
>http://download.yousendit.com/08C20C870543AE42 (1MB)
>
>Please disregard my performance. It was the evening of a bad day and
>the most expensive microphone I wanted to buy in my life produced a
>rattling sound or did it "rustle"? Whatever, when I made this
>recording I already knew I wouldn't keep it.
>
>> Time for a real preamp.
>
>I'll consider it.
>
>Igor

There is no rattling there. And no, a Behringer pre-amp would not do
such a thing either - they are perfectly competent pieces of kit.

And that is not actually raw material - you have applied your
anti-rumble processing already. Do you have a piece that is genuinely
raw?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Rich]

>>http://home.arcor.de/t2c/sp.mp3 (1.3MB)


Is this Ali G?

[Scott Dorsey]

Igor (t4a) > wrote:
>
>Interesting, that a large part of listeners don't recognize the
>rattling problem at all. So, if anyone else can hear it, please say
>so. Otherwise the preamp producer will put me in the boobyhatch. ;-)

Well, Ty is saying that the rattling is coming from the voice, and
isn't part of the equipment. And he might well be correct. It
could be tonsil noise too.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Igor (t4a) > wrote:

> Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
> surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
> move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
> want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)

Your goal is not outlandish, but honestly, though the little Beri stuff
does basicly work fine, it hasn't the kind of gain you might want for
this work. Something like the RNP from FMR might help a lot. There are
better solutions at higher cost, but the RNP seems to me a significant
upgrade from prosumer preamps, if one can't spring for a Great River
ME1-NV.

http://www.fmraudio.com/productspage.htm

http://www.greatriverelectronics.com/product.cfm?ID=20&type=0

--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[Igor (t4a)]

On 5 Apr., 18:31, Rich > wrote:
> >>http://home.arcor.de/t2c/sp.mp3(1.3MB)
>
> Is this Ali G?

Check it out.

[Igor (t4a)]

On 5 Apr., 15:52, Ty Ford > wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:03:43 -0400, Igor (t4a) wrote
> (in article om>):
>
>
>
> > Time flies but some problems just remain. In the meantime I tested the
> > AT 2020, the B5 and the RE-20. The first two microphones were plain
> > too noisy. The third mic revealed another problem. My initial
> > suspicion was that the RE-20 was the culprit. The extracted problem
> > can be found right here:
>
> >http://home.arcor.de/t2c/re20-extract.mp3(11KB)
>
> Um, what problem?
>
>
>
> > This rather expensive microphone had come with photocopies of its
> > techical data sheet and quality control sheet which aroused my
> > suspicion that it could be some returned and damaged item. Therefore I
> > returned it quickly.
>
> > Only later I discovered that the preamp could be the source of the
> > problem.
>
> > The recording distance is much greater now, about 10 inches. Therefore
> > gain is at maximum and the master fader is set to + 6dB. However, also
> > the Beta 58 produces the same rattling noise as the RE-20 did:
>
> >http://home.arcor.de/t2c/vx2496.mp3(428KB)
>
> Um, I don't hear a rattling, other than the voice.

It is difficult to eliminate the frequencies of this sound but they
are mostly above 10 kHz.

I agree, voice distortion is an option especially when this sound is
present occasionally. However, microphone placement above the nose at
a distance of 10 inches would make it hard for such high frequencies
to get through. I recorded hours at close range and have never heard
this noise (many others though ...)

I listened to my latest recording and found another example in which I
say "had done them" where the crackles appear at "em" - a time when
the lips are shut or show only a small opening. A noise from the lips
should be felt, therefore I can rule it out.

http://download.yousendit.com/94EE0C715E872E27 (18kB)

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on it. If the problem disappears with a new
preamp, although I am not there yet, we'll know for sure.

Regards,
Igor

[Igor (t4a)]

On 5 Apr., 17:16, (Don Pearce) wrote:
> On 5 Apr 2007 08:09:35 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 5 Apr., 15:31, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
> >> >I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
> >> >opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
> >> >However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
> >> >opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.
>
> >> >Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
> >> >surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
> >> >move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
> >> >want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)
>
> >> I can't really tell from the MP3, but the rattling sound might be
> >> crossover distortion. Time for a real preamp.
>
> >Interesting, that a large part of listeners don't recognize the
> >rattling problem at all. So, if anyone else can hear it, please say
> >so. Otherwise the preamp producer will put me in the boobyhatch. ;-)
>
> >Here is some of the raw material. "Enjoy." ;-) Sorry, I can't upload
> >tens ob MBs at the time (connected with 56kbps).
>
> >http://download.yousendit.com/08C20C870543AE42(1MB)
>
> >Please disregard my performance. It was the evening of a bad day and
> >the most expensive microphone I wanted to buy in my life produced a
> >rattling sound or did it "rustle"? Whatever, when I made this
> >recording I already knew I wouldn't keep it.
>
> >> Time for a real preamp.
>
> >I'll consider it.
>
> >Igor
>
> There is no rattling there. And no, a Behringer pre-amp would not do
> such a thing either - they are perfectly competent pieces of kit.
>
> And that is not actually raw material - you have applied your
> anti-rumble processing already. Do you have a piece that is genuinely
> raw?

Okay, this one should be raw.

http://download.yousendit.com/AF8D49D5118C05B3 (1.8MB)

However, it is recorded at 16 Bit because I used the soundblaster
Audigy sound card. If it resampled the data, I don't know. But, the
rattle or crackle is audible using both available signal passes analog
in digital. (I do control listening via analog and record via digital
output.)

The problem syllable here is "that he *him*self..."

Please note that I am apparently outside the bass lift area of the
Beta 58. gain: +60dB, master fader: +6 dB.

Regards,
Igor

[Don Pearce]

On 6 Apr 2007 12:36:12 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:

>On 5 Apr., 17:16, (Don Pearce) wrote:
>> On 5 Apr 2007 08:09:35 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 5 Apr., 15:31, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> >> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
>> >> >I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
>> >> >opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
>> >> >However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
>> >> >opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.
>>
>> >> >Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
>> >> >surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
>> >> >move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
>> >> >want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)
>>
>> >> I can't really tell from the MP3, but the rattling sound might be
>> >> crossover distortion. Time for a real preamp.
>>
>> >Interesting, that a large part of listeners don't recognize the
>> >rattling problem at all. So, if anyone else can hear it, please say
>> >so. Otherwise the preamp producer will put me in the boobyhatch. ;-)
>>
>> >Here is some of the raw material. "Enjoy." ;-) Sorry, I can't upload
>> >tens ob MBs at the time (connected with 56kbps).
>>
>> >http://download.yousendit.com/08C20C870543AE42(1MB)
>>
>> >Please disregard my performance. It was the evening of a bad day and
>> >the most expensive microphone I wanted to buy in my life produced a
>> >rattling sound or did it "rustle"? Whatever, when I made this
>> >recording I already knew I wouldn't keep it.
>>
>> >> Time for a real preamp.
>>
>> >I'll consider it.
>>
>> >Igor
>>
>> There is no rattling there. And no, a Behringer pre-amp would not do
>> such a thing either - they are perfectly competent pieces of kit.
>>
>> And that is not actually raw material - you have applied your
>> anti-rumble processing already. Do you have a piece that is genuinely
>> raw?
>
>Okay, this one should be raw.
>
>http://download.yousendit.com/AF8D49D5118C05B3 (1.8MB)
>
>However, it is recorded at 16 Bit because I used the soundblaster
>Audigy sound card. If it resampled the data, I don't know. But, the
>rattle or crackle is audible using both available signal passes analog
>in digital. (I do control listening via analog and record via digital
>output.)
>
>The problem syllable here is "that he *him*self..."
>
>Please note that I am apparently outside the bass lift area of the
>Beta 58. gain: +60dB, master fader: +6 dB.
>
>Regards,
>Igor

I have listened very carefully, and I consider the "him" syllable to
be totally clean. I think that what you are hearing is simply the way
your voice sounds.

There is a problem with this recording, and that is excessive hiss.
But that is another matter entirely.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Igor (t4a)]

On 6 Apr., 23:39, (Don Pearce) wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2007 12:36:12 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 5 Apr., 17:16, (Don Pearce) wrote:
> >> On 5 Apr 2007 08:09:35 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>
> >> >On 5 Apr., 15:31, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >> >> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
> >> >> >I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
> >> >> >opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
> >> >> >However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
> >> >> >opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.
>
> >> >> >Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
> >> >> >surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
> >> >> >move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
> >> >> >want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)
>
> >> >> I can't really tell from the MP3, but the rattling sound might be
> >> >> crossover distortion. Time for a real preamp.
>
> >> >Interesting, that a large part of listeners don't recognize the
> >> >rattling problem at all. So, if anyone else can hear it, please say
> >> >so. Otherwise the preamp producer will put me in the boobyhatch. ;-)
>
> >> >Here is some of the raw material. "Enjoy." ;-) Sorry, I can't upload
> >> >tens ob MBs at the time (connected with 56kbps).
>
> >> >http://download.yousendit.com/08C20C870543AE42(1MB)
>
> >> >Please disregard my performance. It was the evening of a bad day and
> >> >the most expensive microphone I wanted to buy in my life produced a
> >> >rattling sound or did it "rustle"? Whatever, when I made this
> >> >recording I already knew I wouldn't keep it.
>
> >> >> Time for a real preamp.
>
> >> >I'll consider it.
>
> >> >Igor
>
> >> There is no rattling there. And no, a Behringer pre-amp would not do
> >> such a thing either - they are perfectly competent pieces of kit.
>
> >> And that is not actually raw material - you have applied your
> >> anti-rumble processing already. Do you have a piece that is genuinely
> >> raw?
>
> >Okay, this one should be raw.
>
> >http://download.yousendit.com/AF8D49D5118C05B3(1.8MB)
>
> >However, it is recorded at 16 Bit because I used the soundblaster
> >Audigy sound card. If it resampled the data, I don't know. But, the
> >rattle or crackle is audible using both available signal passes analog
> >in digital. (I do control listening via analog and record via digital
> >output.)
>
> >The problem syllable here is "that he *him*self..."
>
> >Please note that I am apparently outside the bass lift area of the
> >Beta 58. gain: +60dB, master fader: +6 dB.
>
> >Regards,
> >Igor
>
> I have listened very carefully, and I consider the "him" syllable to
> be totally clean. I think that what you are hearing is simply the way
> your voice sounds.

If it's really that inconspicuous I should relax about it. To me it
sounds like a crackle with a technical background (problem).

> There is a problem with this recording, and that is excessive hiss.
> But that is another matter entirely.

I know, but I am really surprised about how good the Beta 58 can
sound. After all my close range recordings (including other
microphones) I would have never suspected it. If there is a preamp
that is able to deliver this signal with a reasonable amount of hiss a
large number of my problems could be solved.

But there we are again, "modern" recording techniques require close
range delivery. But frankly, I like the recording how it is much
more.

Is there a solution?

Regards,
Igor

[Don Pearce]

On 7 Apr 2007 01:00:04 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:

>On 6 Apr., 23:39, (Don Pearce) wrote:
>> On 6 Apr 2007 12:36:12 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 5 Apr., 17:16, (Don Pearce) wrote:
>> >> On 5 Apr 2007 08:09:35 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>>
>> >> >On 5 Apr., 15:31, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> >> >> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
>> >> >> >I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
>> >> >> >opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
>> >> >> >However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
>> >> >> >opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.
>>
>> >> >> >Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
>> >> >> >surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
>> >> >> >move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
>> >> >> >want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)
>>
>> >> >> I can't really tell from the MP3, but the rattling sound might be
>> >> >> crossover distortion. Time for a real preamp.
>>
>> >> >Interesting, that a large part of listeners don't recognize the
>> >> >rattling problem at all. So, if anyone else can hear it, please say
>> >> >so. Otherwise the preamp producer will put me in the boobyhatch. ;-)
>>
>> >> >Here is some of the raw material. "Enjoy." ;-) Sorry, I can't upload
>> >> >tens ob MBs at the time (connected with 56kbps).
>>
>> >> >http://download.yousendit.com/08C20C870543AE42(1MB)
>>
>> >> >Please disregard my performance. It was the evening of a bad day and
>> >> >the most expensive microphone I wanted to buy in my life produced a
>> >> >rattling sound or did it "rustle"? Whatever, when I made this
>> >> >recording I already knew I wouldn't keep it.
>>
>> >> >> Time for a real preamp.
>>
>> >> >I'll consider it.
>>
>> >> >Igor
>>
>> >> There is no rattling there. And no, a Behringer pre-amp would not do
>> >> such a thing either - they are perfectly competent pieces of kit.
>>
>> >> And that is not actually raw material - you have applied your
>> >> anti-rumble processing already. Do you have a piece that is genuinely
>> >> raw?
>>
>> >Okay, this one should be raw.
>>
>> >http://download.yousendit.com/AF8D49D5118C05B3(1.8MB)
>>
>> >However, it is recorded at 16 Bit because I used the soundblaster
>> >Audigy sound card. If it resampled the data, I don't know. But, the
>> >rattle or crackle is audible using both available signal passes analog
>> >in digital. (I do control listening via analog and record via digital
>> >output.)
>>
>> >The problem syllable here is "that he *him*self..."
>>
>> >Please note that I am apparently outside the bass lift area of the
>> >Beta 58. gain: +60dB, master fader: +6 dB.
>>
>> >Regards,
>> >Igor
>>
>> I have listened very carefully, and I consider the "him" syllable to
>> be totally clean. I think that what you are hearing is simply the way
>> your voice sounds.
>
>If it's really that inconspicuous I should relax about it. To me it
>sounds like a crackle with a technical background (problem).
>
>> There is a problem with this recording, and that is excessive hiss.
>> But that is another matter entirely.
>
>I know, but I am really surprised about how good the Beta 58 can
>sound. After all my close range recordings (including other
>microphones) I would have never suspected it. If there is a preamp
>that is able to deliver this signal with a reasonable amount of hiss a
>large number of my problems could be solved.
>
>But there we are again, "modern" recording techniques require close
>range delivery. But frankly, I like the recording how it is much
>more.
>
>Is there a solution?
>

Do you have a decent omni mic? You could record that much closer
(somewhere less than 1 metre) without proximity effects, and all that
really changes in the sound is the room balance. As your recording
space is fairly dead, that wouldn't necessarily cause a problem.

Also, from the point of view of your performance, be careful of the
phrasing. You are putting in spaces where there are none in the text.
Be guided by the punctuation, and it will sound much better. English
is a very flowing language, making great use of the diphthong when two
vowels occur together.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Steve King]

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...
SNIP
>
> Also, from the point of view of your performance, be careful of the
> phrasing. You are putting in spaces where there are none in the text.
> Be guided by the punctuation, and it will sound much better. English
> is a very flowing language, making great use of the diphthong when two
> vowels occur together.
>
> d

I don't see any significant problems with your recording. Relax. I agree
with Don about the pauses in your performance. This sounds better to an
English-speaking person: http://download.yousendit.com/D252A60A6F428C4B

Steve King

[Igor (t4a)]

On Apr 7, 10:14 am, (Don Pearce) wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2007 01:00:04 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 6 Apr., 23:39, (Don Pearce) wrote:
> >> On 6 Apr 2007 12:36:12 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>
> >> >On 5 Apr., 17:16, (Don Pearce) wrote:
> >> >> On 5 Apr 2007 08:09:35 -0700, "Igor (t4a)" > wrote:
>
> >> >> >On 5 Apr., 15:31, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >> >> >> Igor (t4a) > wrote:
> >> >> >> >I am still in the phase of redecorating the recording room. In my
> >> >> >> >opinion, soundwise, the "sp.mp3" is the best recording so far.
> >> >> >> >However, the reason why I posted it here was, to get some other
> >> >> >> >opinions. Therefore, you may wholeheartedly disagree.
>
> >> >> >> >Still, the rattling problems with the Behringer preamp caught me by
> >> >> >> >surprise. Behringer's tech support actually told my to reduce gain and
> >> >> >> >move closer to the microphone. Oh well, is it so outlandish what I
> >> >> >> >want to do? (record a voice in a "natural" way). I guess so ... ;-)
>
> >> >> >> I can't really tell from the MP3, but the rattling sound might be
> >> >> >> crossover distortion. Time for a real preamp.
>
> >> >> >Interesting, that a large part of listeners don't recognize the
> >> >> >rattling problem at all. So, if anyone else can hear it, please say
> >> >> >so. Otherwise the preamp producer will put me in the boobyhatch. ;-)
>
> >> >> >Here is some of the raw material. "Enjoy." ;-) Sorry, I can't upload
> >> >> >tens ob MBs at the time (connected with 56kbps).
>
> >> >> >http://download.yousendit.com/08C20C870543AE42(1MB)
>
> >> >> >Please disregard my performance. It was the evening of a bad day and
> >> >> >the most expensive microphone I wanted to buy in my life produced a
> >> >> >rattling sound or did it "rustle"? Whatever, when I made this
> >> >> >recording I already knew I wouldn't keep it.
>
> >> >> >> Time for a real preamp.
>
> >> >> >I'll consider it.
>
> >> >> >Igor
>
> >> >> There is no rattling there. And no, a Behringer pre-amp would not do
> >> >> such a thing either - they are perfectly competent pieces of kit.
>
> >> >> And that is not actually raw material - you have applied your
> >> >> anti-rumble processing already. Do you have a piece that is genuinely
> >> >> raw?
>
> >> >Okay, this one should be raw.
>
> >> >http://download.yousendit.com/AF8D49D5118C05B3(1.8MB)
>
> >> >However, it is recorded at 16 Bit because I used the soundblaster
> >> >Audigy sound card. If it resampled the data, I don't know. But, the
> >> >rattle or crackle is audible using both available signal passes analog
> >> >in digital. (I do control listening via analog and record via digital
> >> >output.)
>
> >> >The problem syllable here is "that he *him*self..."
>
> >> >Please note that I am apparently outside the bass lift area of the
> >> >Beta 58. gain: +60dB, master fader: +6 dB.
>
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Igor
>
> >> I have listened very carefully, and I consider the "him" syllable to
> >> be totally clean. I think that what you are hearing is simply the way
> >> your voice sounds.
>
> >If it's really that inconspicuous I should relax about it. To me it
> >sounds like a crackle with a technical background (problem).
>
> >> There is a problem with this recording, and that is excessive hiss.
> >> But that is another matter entirely.
>
> >I know, but I am really surprised about how good the Beta 58 can
> >sound. After all my close range recordings (including other
> >microphones) I would have never suspected it. If there is a preamp
> >that is able to deliver this signal with a reasonable amount of hiss a
> >large number of my problems could be solved.
>
> >But there we are again, "modern" recording techniques require close
> >range delivery. But frankly, I like the recording how it is much
> >more.
>
> >Is there a solution?
>
> Do you have a decent omni mic? You could record that much closer
> (somewhere less than 1 metre) without proximity effects, and all that
> really changes in the sound is the room balance. As your recording
> space is fairly dead, that wouldn't necessarily cause a problem.

That is a very good suggestion.

> Also, from the point of view of your performance, be careful of the
> phrasing. You are putting in spaces where there are none in the text.

I agree. In a way I don't know what to do: if I speak slowly it sounds
like ESL. If I speak quickly it's getting too fast. Therefore, I
inserted pauses. Apparently their placement was not well chosen.

> Be guided by the punctuation, and it will sound much better.

Okay, I'll try.

> English
> is a very flowing language, making great use of the diphthong when two
> vowels occur together.

I'll keep that in mind.

Regards,
Igor