digital dilemma-cont'd-CD sales DOWN

[jailhouserock]

http://news.com.com/5208-1027-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7369&messageID=50359&start=-1

http://www.bloglines.com/search?t=1&q=cd+sales


downloading is up- meaning digital is becoming an MP3 domain- you
fellas call that hi-fi ? Arnie, wassupwithat ?

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051227/REPOSITORY/512270304/1223



you fellas need to consider this, before you recommend digital
formats, and how they are "better"- meanwhile, the lemmings are
jumping from your ship by the thousands

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/07/music_cd_sales_.html


CD sales down another 20% and people are asking, is CD dead ?

and you call this a good format ?

http://news.digitaltrends.com/article12526.html


I ask anyone to do a Yahoo or Google search of "CD sales down" or "CD
sales drop"- you'll think twice about investing in any more digital
sources or recorders

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=CD+sales+down&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu73UeQpGgTMBeJZXNyoA?p=CD+sales+dr op&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt

even though SACD, DVD-A, and CD allegedly have this "stellar" sound
quality, why arent' they SELLING ?


reason- people are slowly going back to analog- my friend's repair
shop is FILLED with analog repair jobs- RIGHT NOW

the CD players are thrown out, rather than repaired

I just saw a Technics CD changer in a thrift, for $15- what's that
say ?

[Arny Krueger]

"jailhouserock" > wrote in
message
oups.com
> http://news.com.com/5208-1027-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7369&messageID=50359&start=-1
>
> http://www.bloglines.com/search?t=1&q=cd+sales

> downloading is up- meaning digital is becoming an MP3
> domain-

First off, let's cut out the second-hand crap.

Here's the origional news from the horse's mouth.

http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/pdf/2006midYrStats.pdf

> you fellas call that hi-fi ?

If you want any respect, stop confusing production people with consumers.

Second, if you understood the download market, you'd know that a lot of the
downloads aren't MP3s.

> Arnie, wassupwithat ?

The people's voice.

> you fellas need to consider this, before you recommend
> digital formats, and how they are "better"- meanwhile,
> the lemmings are jumping from your ship by the thousands

Let's talk about that vanishing line item called *other* which includes your
hobby-horse cassettes.

Let's talk about that other vanishing line item called "Vinyl Single".

What happened there?

> CD sales down another 20% and people are asking, is CD
> dead ?

You're confusing the alarmist press with reality.

> and you call this a good format ?

McDonald's arugment, anybody?

> I ask anyone to do a Yahoo or Google search of "CD sales
> down" or "CD sales drop"- you'll think twice about
> investing in any more digital sources or recorders

You don't seem to understand production. We use the same digital recorders
to produce music, no matter what the target media is.

Where do you think MP3s come from? LPs? Cassettes? LOL!

Here's a news flash - most MP3s are produced from (digital audio) .wav
files.

> even though SACD, DVD-A, and CD allegedly have this
> "stellar" sound quality, why arent' they SELLING ?

They are a solution looking for a marketable problem to solve.

> reason- people are slowly going back to analog- my
> friend's repair shop is FILLED with analog repair jobs-
> RIGHT NOW

OK, so he has slow service and work is backing up. BTW that's one thing that
soured people on analog production gear - the excessive need for
maintenance.


> the CD players are thrown out, rather than repaired

So what? If a credible replacement costs less than the price to fix, what
do you expect the rational consumer to do?

[jailhouserock]

the bell has tolled for CD

http://www.hometheatermag.com/bootcamp/77/

[Scott Dorsey]

jailhouserock > wrote:
>the bell has tolled for CD
>
>http://www.hometheatermag.com/bootcamp/77/

My dear boy, this is the bell tolling for the entire industry.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Arny Krueger]

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message

> jailhouserock > wrote:
>> the bell has tolled for CD
>>
>> http://www.hometheatermag.com/bootcamp/77/

This is just some shilling for Sony and Philips and their licensess


> My dear boy, this is the bell tolling for the entire
> industry. --scott

????

Presumably meaning the shift from physical media to downloads?

[Richard Crowley]

"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
> "Scott Dorsey" wrote
>> My dear boy, this is the bell tolling for the entire
>> industry. --scott
>
> ????
>
> Presumably meaning the shift from physical media to downloads?

Perhaps production as well as distribution.

Anybody want to wager the % of shrinkage of the typesetting equipment
and services industry? Now that anybody with a $500 computer in
their apartment can have more fonts online than the best typesetting
house in town had 20 years ago.

Audio is not the only area where the equivalent of "home studios"
and "field production" is overtaking traditional modes of production.

[Robert[_2_]]

Arny Krueger wrote:

Arny
in regards to this person "jailhouserock", "duty, honor, country" & the
other nyms he post by, he is a troll of major proportions. he likes to
disrupt & eventually destroy newsgroups. it would be wise to just killfile
this jerk & move on. however, if he does become a problem to this group,
you need to send a abuse report to both google & his isp )
he has allready destroyed the alt.collecting.8=track.tapes group.

[Jay Kadis]

In article >,
"Richard Crowley" > wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" wrote ...
> > "Scott Dorsey" wrote
> >> My dear boy, this is the bell tolling for the entire
> >> industry. --scott
> >
> > ????
> >
> > Presumably meaning the shift from physical media to downloads?
>
> Perhaps production as well as distribution.
>

It may be a shift from albums back to singles. Consumers no longer have
to pay for all the filler you find on so many albums. That will be a
significant change in the marketplace.

-Jay

--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x ---- Jay's Attic Studio ----x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

[Arny Krueger]

"Robert" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> Arny
> in regards to this person "jailhouserock", "duty, honor,
> country" & the other nyms he post by, he is a troll of
> major proportions. he likes to disrupt & eventually
> destroy newsgroups. it would be wise to just killfile
> this jerk & move on. however, if he does become a problem
> to this group, you need to send a abuse report to both
> google & his isp ) he has allready
> destroyed the alt.collecting.8=track.tapes group.

Got it. I've been thinking about just ignoring his posts, and your comments
and those of others have pretty well made up my mind.

[Arny Krueger]

"Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
>>
>>> jailhouserock > wrote:
>>>> the bell has tolled for CD
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hometheatermag.com/bootcamp/77/
>>
>> This is just some shilling for Sony and Philips and
>> their licensess
>>> My dear boy, this is the bell tolling for the entire
>>> industry. --scott
>>
>> ????

>> Presumably meaning the shift from physical media to
>> downloads?

> And lower quality.

There's no doubt in my mind that lossy compression is rarely without some
kind of sonic impact. What we are seeing now is another re-definition of
what consumers need in the way of SQ to be happy. Over the past 50+ years
the public has been happy with 78s, 45s, 33s, 8-track, cassette, CD, AC-3
(DD), MP3, and AAC. The highest quality of the bunch is CD. The formats
since then have compromised sound quality, by amounts ranging from a little
to a little more. I've always suspected that the CD format was a bit
overkill - the acceptance of lesser formats just says that consumers either
agree with me, or are even more lenient.

> People don't want to sit still for music any more.

Agreed. Music all by itself isn't enough to attract their full attention
like it used to be.

> They want it as a kind of brain-feed, through earbuds.

This is just a consequence of the previous point.