Need Suggestions for Studio Effects Processors

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.

thanks,
-Ben

[Laurence Payne]

On 25 Mar 2007 08:20:50 -0700, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com"
> wrote:

>I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
>studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
>and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
>huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
>in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
>brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
>has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
>too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.

Good ones can indeed be hungry for resources. But today's computers
have lots of power. What particular effects do you feel a lack of at
present?

[Scott Dorsey]

Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
>studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
>and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
>huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
>in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
>brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
>has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
>too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.

What do you want? Are you looking for natural hall effects, or are
you looking for stuff that is more artificial? Are you looking to
match existing room reverb? Do you need predelay?

If you are looking for bargain basement natural-sounding reverb, it
is hard to beat a used Sony DPS V-77 system. The digital I/O is a
little odd and it will benefit from external converters, but it's really
quite realistic sounding and it will blend in well. Very limited
predelay settings, though, and the plate simulation doesn't sound all
that much like a real plate. If you are looking for flexible flanging
and chorus, this is also definitely not the box for you either. But
for straight hall simulation it's hard to beat until you get into the
$5k range.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

On Mar 25, 10:35 am, Laurence Payne <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom>
wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2007 08:20:50 -0700, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com"
>
> > wrote:
> >I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
> >studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
> >and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
> >huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
> >in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
> >brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
> >has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
> >too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.
>
> Good ones can indeed be hungry for resources. But today's computers
> have lots of power. What particular effects do you feel a lack of at
> present?

I want to start building a bank of "go to" effects for particular
freqently used sources (drums, piano, vocal, etc.). I don't really
have a good effect arsenal. oh, and I think I might want a good low
bit digital delay suggestion. I was doubleing a vocal with a 24 bit
box today and the delayed part just sounded too clean to me. Anyone
else think the low bit delays sounded better when mixed with the
original signal?

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

On Mar 25, 11:40 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>
> >I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
> >studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
> >and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
> >huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
> >in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
> >brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
> >has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
> >too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.
>
> What do you want? Are you looking for natural hall effects, or are
> you looking for stuff that is more artificial? Are you looking to
> match existing room reverb? Do you need predelay?
>
> If you are looking for bargain basement natural-sounding reverb, it
> is hard to beat a used Sony DPS V-77 system. The digital I/O is a
> little odd and it will benefit from external converters, but it's really
> quite realistic sounding and it will blend in well. Very limited
> predelay settings, though, and the plate simulation doesn't sound all
> that much like a real plate. If you are looking for flexible flanging
> and chorus, this is also definitely not the box for you either. But
> for straight hall simulation it's hard to beat until you get into the
> $5k range.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

hmm good choice, but very hard to find. I'm looking for 1) some
really practical, VERY real sounding verbs. 2) simple presets, but
tweakable. 3) leave me money left over to buy a little funker effects
box, but not as critical (need suggestions on some low cost, but kick
ass and very usable fx boxes/racks.)

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

what do you think about the Sony DPS F7 ? as one of those funkier
boxes...

[Scott Dorsey]

Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>hmm good choice, but very hard to find. I'm looking for 1) some
>really practical, VERY real sounding verbs. 2) simple presets, but
>tweakable. 3) leave me money left over to buy a little funker effects
>box, but not as critical (need suggestions on some low cost, but kick
>ass and very usable fx boxes/racks.)

You won't get "very real" sound for under $5k, unless you're going to
build a chamber. The DPS V-77 is remarkably close; it's not good enough
to totally fake a believable environment, but it's good enough to fill
in an existing one pretty seamlessly.

I do recommend building a chamber, too, if you have the real estate.
They are rare enough these days that they become a real distinguishing
feature for marketing.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

On Mar 25, 5:15 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>
> >hmm good choice, but very hard to find. I'm looking for 1) some
> >really practical, VERY real sounding verbs. 2) simple presets, but
> >tweakable. 3) leave me money left over to buy a little funker effects
> >box, but not as critical (need suggestions on some low cost, but kick
> >ass and very usable fx boxes/racks.)
>
> You won't get "very real" sound for under $5k, unless you're going to
> build a chamber. The DPS V-77 is remarkably close; it's not good enough
> to totally fake a believable environment, but it's good enough to fill
> in an existing one pretty seamlessly.
>
> I do recommend building a chamber, too, if you have the real estate.
> They are rare enough these days that they become a real distinguishing
> feature for marketing.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Yamaha REV 7? not sure of the bit rate.

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

On Mar 25, 5:15 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>
> >hmm good choice, but very hard to find. I'm looking for 1) some
> >really practical, VERY real sounding verbs. 2) simple presets, but
> >tweakable. 3) leave me money left over to buy a little funker effects
> >box, but not as critical (need suggestions on some low cost, but kick
> >ass and very usable fx boxes/racks.)
>
> You won't get "very real" sound for under $5k, unless you're going to
> build a chamber. The DPS V-77 is remarkably close; it's not good enough
> to totally fake a believable environment, but it's good enough to fill
> in an existing one pretty seamlessly.
>
> I do recommend building a chamber, too, if you have the real estate.
> They are rare enough these days that they become a real distinguishing
> feature for marketing.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

well, if I find the right business mastermind who wants to partner up
and get me into a place like that, it's on! hahah... until then,
"real" has to come "from concentrate" (in the can) hehe...

If you know anyone selling a v77, let me know

[Nate Najar]

On Mar 25, 11:20 am, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com" >
wrote:
> I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
> studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
> and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
> huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
> in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
> brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
> has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
> too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.
>
> thanks,
> -Ben

I don't know how real you need, but you might try an eventide eclipse
or lexicon pcm90 for reverb and see if either has the right sound.
Both are clean boxes with good converters and lots of editable
parameters, and good presets out of the box.

For lo fi delay, it's hard to beat a yamaha spx90. Dirt cheap on ebay
too.

Nate

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

ooOO and the Yamaha Pro R3 Digital ? any thoughts?

[Scott Dorsey]

Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>
>If you know anyone selling a v77, let me know

Call the usual suspects... Fletcher at Mercenary, Mooretronix, Sonic Circus,
etc. There are out there.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

Just out of curiosity, how does a box like the v77 compare to good
plug-ins? I'm thinking of Logic's Space Designer or Altiverb. To my
ears, these are pretty good sounding reverbs. If one is using a DAW,
is there any advantage in this day and age to using outboard digital
effects, barring the obvious - that they don't use your computer's
processing power, or one just might want a very specific and familiar
sound like the SPX90 cited earlier in the thread.

Thanks,
Steve


On Mar 25, 8:57 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> >If you know anyone selling a v77, let me know
>
> Call the usual suspects... Fletcher at Mercenary, Mooretronix, Sonic Circus,
> etc. There are out there.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

On Mar 26, 3:50 am, "
> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, how does a box like the v77 compare to good
> plug-ins? I'm thinking of Logic's Space Designer or Altiverb.

They're all different. Plug-ins generally allow more variations, but
that puts the responsibility on you to try more variations. The net
result is that you take more time with the project and many times
you're never really sure if what you ended up with is really best.
Presets that come with plug-ins are often extreme to show you how
impressive it can be, but beginners don't often realize this. On a box
with a collection of good presets and only a few variables it's
quicker to settle on a sound and move on.

> If one is using a DAW,
> is there any advantage in this day and age to using outboard digital
> effects, barring the obvious - that they don't use your computer's
> processing power, or one just might want a very specific and familiar
> sound like the SPX90 cited earlier in the thread.

Often there's less latency, but this is usually not a concern with
time-based effects since you almost always want a certain amount of
delay which is nearly always more than the computational latency. But
using an external box means having the hardware (ports) necessary to
set up a send/return path. If your only hardware is stereo in and out,
when you use that to create a processed track, you can't monitor so
you don't know what you have until it's done.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >,
Roger Christie <rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL> wrote:
>"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
>> Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>>>hmm good choice, but very hard to find. I'm looking for 1) some
>>>really practical, VERY real sounding verbs. 2) simple presets, but
>>>tweakable. 3) leave me money left over to buy a little funker effects
>>>box, but not as critical (need suggestions on some low cost, but kick
>>>ass and very usable fx boxes/racks.)
>>
>> You won't get "very real" sound for under $5k, unless you're going to
>> build a chamber. The DPS V-77 is remarkably close; it's not good enough
>> to totally fake a believable environment, but it's good enough to fill
>> in an existing one pretty seamlessly.
>
>The TC Electronic M3000 does a pretty good job with realistic rooms and
>halls.
>I expect you could have one of those pretty cheaply used.

I think the V-77 does realistic rooms better than the M3000, but the M3000
is a whole lot more versatile. If you had to have only one box for everything,
the M3000 might be a good pick.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Roger Christie]

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
> Ben - TheStudioRI.com > wrote:
>>hmm good choice, but very hard to find. I'm looking for 1) some
>>really practical, VERY real sounding verbs. 2) simple presets, but
>>tweakable. 3) leave me money left over to buy a little funker effects
>>box, but not as critical (need suggestions on some low cost, but kick
>>ass and very usable fx boxes/racks.)
>
> You won't get "very real" sound for under $5k, unless you're going to
> build a chamber. The DPS V-77 is remarkably close; it's not good enough
> to totally fake a believable environment, but it's good enough to fill
> in an existing one pretty seamlessly.
>
> I do recommend building a chamber, too, if you have the real estate.
> They are rare enough these days that they become a real distinguishing
> feature for marketing.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

The TC Electronic M3000 does a pretty good job with realistic rooms and
halls.
I expect you could have one of those pretty cheaply used.

[Marcello Mastroiani]

Dynacord DRP20. Word is, it's in the Lexicon PCM 90 range but noisier. ;)

I'm totally dying to hear a review or try one myself...

Othervise, I was totally blown off by this one:

http://www.quantec.de/

Check the demos...
Unbelieveble! (actually, the term would be: "Extremely believable!" since
it's a reverb we're talking about! ;)



"Nate Najar" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 25, 11:20 am, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com" >
> wrote:
>> I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
>> studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
>> and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
>> huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
>> in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
>> brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
>> has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
>> too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.
>>
>> thanks,
>> -Ben
>
> I don't know how real you need, but you might try an eventide eclipse
> or lexicon pcm90 for reverb and see if either has the right sound.
> Both are clean boxes with good converters and lots of editable
> parameters, and good presets out of the box.
>
> For lo fi delay, it's hard to beat a yamaha spx90. Dirt cheap on ebay
> too.
>
> Nate
>

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

>
> Othervise, I was totally blown off by this one:
>
> http://www.quantec.de/
>
> Check the demos...
> Unbelieveble! (actually, the term would be: "Extremely believable!" since
> it's a reverb we're talking about! ;)


I checked out the site, but I found no demos... got a link?

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

what about the TC powercore firewire rack? It seems to have
everything in one box. anyone have an opinion?

[Marcello Mastroiani]

http://www.quantec.de/menu_e/audio.shtml



"Ben - TheStudioRI.com" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>>
>> Othervise, I was totally blown off by this one:
>>
>> http://www.quantec.de/
>>
>> Check the demos...
>> Unbelieveble! (actually, the term would be: "Extremely believable!" since
>> it's a reverb we're talking about! ;)
>
>
> I checked out the site, but I found no demos... got a link?
>

[Fletch]

On Mar 25, 2:53 pm, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com" > wrote:
> On Mar 25, 10:35 am, Laurence Payne <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom>
> wrote:
>
> > On 25 Mar 2007 08:20:50 -0700, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com"
>
> > > wrote:
> > >I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
> > >studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
> > >and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
> > >huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
> > >in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
> > >brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
> > >has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
> > >too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.
>
> > Good ones can indeed be hungry for resources. But today's computers
> > have lots of power. What particular effects do you feel a lack of at
> > present?
>
> I want to start building a bank of "go to" effects for particular
> freqently used sources (drums, piano, vocal, etc.). I don't really
> have a good effect arsenal. oh, and I think I might want a good low
> bit digital delay suggestion. I was doubleing a vocal with a 24 bit
> box today and the delayed part just sounded too clean to me. Anyone
> else think the low bit delays sounded better when mixed with the
> original signal?


An old ADA Digitizer 4 is pretty archaic, but sounds good in a 'dirty'
kind of way. Can do flanging and chorusing, too.

--Fletch

[Ben - TheStudioRI.com]

On Apr 10, 6:31 pm, "Fletch" > wrote:
> On Mar 25, 2:53 pm, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 10:35 am, Laurence Payne <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On 25 Mar 2007 08:20:50 -0700, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
> > > >studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
> > > >and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
> > > >huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
> > > >in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
> > > >brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
> > > >has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
> > > >too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.
>
> > > Good ones can indeed be hungry for resources. But today's computers
> > > have lots of power. What particular effects do you feel a lack of at
> > > present?
>
> > I want to start building a bank of "go to" effects for particular
> > freqently used sources (drums, piano, vocal, etc.). I don't really
> > have a good effect arsenal. oh, and I think I might want a good low
> > bit digital delay suggestion. I was doubleing a vocal with a 24 bit
> > box today and the delayed part just sounded too clean to me. Anyone
> > else think the low bit delays sounded better when mixed with the
> > original signal?
>
> An old ADA Digitizer 4 is pretty archaic, but sounds good in a 'dirty'
> kind of way. Can do flanging and chorusing, too.
>
> --Fletch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

that reminds me... ADA digital delay has to be on the list! It was one
of my first pieces gear. that's one of those things that is
considered pro, but cheap enough for a 14 year old with a part time
job to buy one used to add it to his "setup" (years ago haha)....
selling it to "upgrade", only to learn years later how good that box
really sounded! lol. thanks!

[Fletch]

On Apr 10, 9:40 pm, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com" > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 6:31 pm, "Fletch" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 2:53 pm, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com" > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 25, 10:35 am, Laurence Payne <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On 25 Mar 2007 08:20:50 -0700, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com"
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
> > > > >studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
> > > > >and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
> > > > >huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
> > > > >in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
> > > > >brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
> > > > >has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
> > > > >too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.
>
> > > > Good ones can indeed be hungry for resources. But today's computers
> > > > have lots of power. What particular effects do you feel a lack of at
> > > > present?
>
> > > I want to start building a bank of "go to" effects for particular
> > > freqently used sources (drums, piano, vocal, etc.). I don't really
> > > have a good effect arsenal. oh, and I think I might want a good low
> > > bit digital delay suggestion. I was doubleing a vocal with a 24 bit
> > > box today and the delayed part just sounded too clean to me. Anyone
> > > else think the low bit delays sounded better when mixed with the
> > > original signal?
>
> > An old ADA Digitizer 4 is pretty archaic, but sounds good in a 'dirty'
> > kind of way. Can do flanging and chorusing, too.
>
> > --Fletch- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> that reminds me... ADA digital delay has to be on the list! It was one
> of my first pieces gear. that's one of those things that is
> considered pro, but cheap enough for a 14 year old with a part time
> job to buy one used to add it to his "setup" (years ago haha)....
> selling it to "upgrade", only to learn years later how good that box
> really sounded! lol. thanks!


Hey, what about the old Effectron stuff? That was supposed to be
pretty decent for the time, low bit rate and all.

--Fletch

[Mark]

On Apr 11, 12:33 pm, "Fletch" > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 9:40 pm, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 6:31 pm, "Fletch" > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 25, 2:53 pm, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com" > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 25, 10:35 am, Laurence Payne <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 25 Mar 2007 08:20:50 -0700, "Ben - TheStudioRI.com"
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >I'm considering purchasing one or two NICE effects processors for the
> > > > > >studio. I want a package that will be versitile, sound world class,
> > > > > >and have some very usable presets. I dont want to spend $5-10k on a
> > > > > >huge lexicon or TC system, as I believe that there are units out there
> > > > > >in the $500-$2000 range that will do the job just as well. I havn't
> > > > > >brushed up on what's good lately, so I'd love some suggestions. If it
> > > > > >has USB, great, if not no big deal. I'll consider software packages
> > > > > >too, but the good ones tend to eat up a lot of resources.
>
> > > > > Good ones can indeed be hungry for resources. But today's computers
> > > > > have lots of power. What particular effects do you feel a lack of at
> > > > > present?
>
> > > > I want to start building a bank of "go to" effects for particular
> > > > freqently used sources (drums, piano, vocal, etc.). I don't really
> > > > have a good effect arsenal. oh, and I think I might want a good low
> > > > bit digital delay suggestion. I was doubleing a vocal with a 24 bit
> > > > box today and the delayed part just sounded too clean to me. Anyone
> > > > else think the low bit delays sounded better when mixed with the
> > > > original signal?
>
> > > An old ADA Digitizer 4 is pretty archaic, but sounds good in a 'dirty'
> > > kind of way. Can do flanging and chorusing, too.
>
> > > --Fletch- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > that reminds me... ADA digital delay has to be on the list! It was one
> > of my first pieces gear. that's one of those things that is
> > considered pro, but cheap enough for a 14 year old with a part time
> > job to buy one used to add it to his "setup" (years ago haha)....
> > selling it to "upgrade", only to learn years later how good that box
> > really sounded! lol. thanks!
>
> Hey, what about the old Effectron stuff? That was supposed to be
> pretty decent for the time, low bit rate and all.
>
> --Fletch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

question to all..

so besides the basics like freq response, distortion and noise....

whats difference between a good a bad sounding reverb? I'm not asking
about echo or delay (I think sometimes called tape slap??) , I
understand that, I'm asking about reverb.

Whats the sound of a plate reverb that a digital in the box doen't
have?


thanks
Mark

[Scott Dorsey]

Mark > wrote:
>whats difference between a good a bad sounding reverb? I'm not asking
>about echo or delay (I think sometimes called tape slap??) , I
>understand that, I'm asking about reverb.

In a very cheap reverb, you hear cycles in the sound as it decays. In
a better reverb, you don't. You want to hear the sound decaying slowly
in a natural sound, without being able to identify audible echoes or
hearing cycles where the same fragment of sound is repeated audibly.

A still better reverb has a better sense of space. You can close your
eyes and hear a much more natural soundstage in front of you.

>Whats the sound of a plate reverb that a digital in the box doen't
>have?

I don't know, really. The digital simulations mostly sound a little
flatter or a little more metallic. The (rather expensive) Sony sampling
reverb, though, has a plate simulation that sounds just like the real thing
to me.

The last issue of the JAES had an article on simulating plate reverbs with
digital systems, and it was very interesting to watch some of the handwaving
going on in it. The authors had to assume a lot of processes were linear
when they really weren't very.
--scott
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