I-Tunes tagging my burned tracks with foul names

[Jay Sloat]

Hi,
I have a home studio with Pro Tools running on a Dual Intel Mac Pro. I
save my mixed tracks as WAV files and to burn them to CD using I-Tunes.
After dragging the Wav files into I-Tunes, I fill out all the
information fields and then burn the CDs.
While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
extremely vulgar title. Every track I've burned seems to have that same
vulgar title except when I load/play/view it in an I-Tunes session on
the same computer I burned it on.
Does anyone have any suggestions for how to keep this from happening
without requiring that I buy new software for burning wav or MP3 files
to disk. If you do recommend a different app than I-Tunes for
burning CDs, what do you recommend.

Thanks,

Jay
Los Angeles

[david correia]

In article .net>,
Jay Sloat > wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a home studio with Pro Tools running on a Dual Intel Mac Pro. I
> save my mixed tracks as WAV files and to burn them to CD using I-Tunes.
> After dragging the Wav files into I-Tunes, I fill out all the
> information fields and then burn the CDs.
> While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
> finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
> I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
> their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
> extremely vulgar title. Every track I've burned seems to have that same
> vulgar title except when I load/play/view it in an I-Tunes session on
> the same computer I burned it on.
> Does anyone have any suggestions for how to keep this from happening
> without requiring that I buy new software for burning wav or MP3 files
> to disk. If you do recommend a different app than I-Tunes for
> burning CDs, what do you recommend.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay
> Los Angeles



What you're describing is probably iTunes automatically retrieving those
song names from the internet via CDDB. Your CD's song times, order and
overall length may be the same as something in that widely used CD
database.

I bet if you take your masterlist of songs and change the order of 2
songs, or even add one second of quiet space to the end of the last
song's .wav file (or any of the songs' .wav files for that matter), that
iTunes will not give your CD's songs those same nasty names. Or simply
burn a CD with one of the songs missing.

Of course, your newly created CD may match something else in the
database. Give it a try.

You can also add your slightly changed CD to their database.

Visit www.gracenote.com for all the info:

"For example, when you insert a music CD in your computer, the software
player application on your computer uses our service to first identify
the CD, and then display the artist, title, tracklist, and other
information to you instantly. Most commercial music CDs do not contain
any of this information on the CD itself. That's why we created the
service."

"One of the jobs of the Gracenote service is to construct a database
(the Gracenote Media Database) from thousands of these submissions every
day from all over the world. The service compares edits from multiple
submissions, reconciles duplicate entries, corrects errors, combines
many submissions into individual records, etc. The result over the many
years that the service has been in existence is a massive database
compiled from many sources, and made instantly available by high-speed
servers with dependable, worldwide, around-the-clock access. That is the
Gracenote Media Recognition Service."




David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

[Mike Rivers]

On Feb 6, 2:01 am, Jay Sloat > wrote:

> I have a home studio with Pro Tools running on a Dual Intel Mac Pro. I
> save my mixed tracks as WAV files and to burn them to CD using I-Tunes.
> After dragging the Wav files into I-Tunes, I fill out all the
> information fields and then burn the CDs.
> While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
> finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
> I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
> their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
> extremely vulgar title.

Now that's the funniest thing I've read here in a long time, but I
suspect that David has a good handle on the answer.

I suspect that it's not iTunes that's doing the dirty work, but you
can eliminate that from the list of suspects by using some other
software to create your audio CDs. Chances are there's something that
came along with your computer or CD drive such as Nero or Easy CD
Creator. Give that a try. But if your computer is new enough it may
only have DVD burning software. You might want to download Nero and
use it in its demo mode. It runs with all features enabled including
saving files to CD, but quits after 10 or 30 days. That's long enough
for a test.

The "look this disk up in the CDDB" feature can be turned off in most
CD playing applications, so you might try that and see if that solves
the problem.

[Marc Wielage]

On Feb 5, 2007, Jay Sloat > commented:

> While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
> finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
> I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
> their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
> extremely vulgar title.
>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<

Two things you can do:

1) tell your users that, before they try to read the disc with iTunes, go
into Prefs, check the Advanced tab, and click the Importing button. Turn off
the checkbox that says "Automatically retrieve CD track names from the
Internet." That's where the problem is coming from. There's a similar CD
out there with identical track lengths and running time as your CD, and
that's where the bad titles are coming from.

or 2) convert the WAVs to MP3 files yourself and hand your friends a data
CD-R with the MP3 files already named on them. That way, they merely have to
copy those into their iTunes libraries, and no renaming will occur.

--MFW

[Chevdo]

In article >,
says...
>
>On Feb 5, 2007, Jay Sloat > commented:
>
>> While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
>> finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
>> I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
>> their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
>> extremely vulgar title.
>>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
>
>Two things you can do:
>
>1) tell your users that, before they try to read the disc with iTunes, go
>into Prefs, check the Advanced tab, and click the Importing button. Turn off
>the checkbox that says "Automatically retrieve CD track names from the
>Internet." That's where the problem is coming from. There's a similar CD
>out there with identical track lengths and running time as your CD, and
>that's where the bad titles are coming from.
>

Do you realize how unlikely that is? CDDB retreives, minutes, seconds and
TENTHS of a second of track times. So its extremely unlikely any CD full of
tracks would have the exact same track lengths to pull up a different CD from
CDDB.

Its probably just junk from his playlist that got burned because he
didn't clear the playlist first before adding the stuff he wanted to burn.

[Chevdo]

In article <pXeyh.37058$Fd.12448@edtnps90>, says...
>
>In article >,
says...
>>
>>On Feb 5, 2007, Jay Sloat > commented:
>>
>>> While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
>>> finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
>>> I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
>>> their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
>>> extremely vulgar title.
>>>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
>>
>>Two things you can do:
>>
>>1) tell your users that, before they try to read the disc with iTunes, go
>>into Prefs, check the Advanced tab, and click the Importing button. Turn off
>>the checkbox that says "Automatically retrieve CD track names from the
>>Internet." That's where the problem is coming from. There's a similar CD
>>out there with identical track lengths and running time as your CD, and
>>that's where the bad titles are coming from.
>>
>
>Do you realize how unlikely that is? CDDB retreives, minutes, seconds and
>TENTHS of a second of track times.

Oops, I meant hundredths of a second.

[Debbie_Gorman]

Thanks guys for the investment of time answering my questions and giving
me a few ideas to try. Generally on the CDs exhibiting the problem I
places only one song in the list to burn so it wasn't an album's worth.
(Not yet anyways)
Actually my first suspicions were that the lenght of the track was
looked up in something like the CDDB and this was it, but I'm pretty
sure that different songs of different length came up as the same
incorrectly looked up file.
I have more to learn about I-Tunes because even tonight when
I turned up the CDDB lookup on import and tried to import a new cut
made this evening. Out of 1000 songs in my library,on import it happened
to insist on overwriting a different one of my originals, and I've had
to reenter the title and artist several times to get it to "stick".
If it's free, I don't mind registering my demos with I-Tunes but
the tracks aren't completed and I don't want to share them with the
world (yet).
At any rate, I appreciate the advice from this forum and look forward
to follow all the helpful Q&A posted here.
I also have the MP3 converter in a factory bundle I've paid for
but haven't yet installed the key for. My Mac is brand new and I didn't
get any of the DVD burning tools like NERO or CD Creator. Perhaps I
could transfer the wavs via thumb drive to my Laptop which does have a
non-I-tune burner

Thanks,
-Jay Sloat-



Chevdo wrote:
> In article <pXeyh.37058$Fd.12448@edtnps90>, says...
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>
>>>On Feb 5, 2007, Jay Sloat > commented:
>>>
>>>
>>>> While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
>>>>finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
>>>>I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
>>>>their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
>>>>extremely vulgar title.
>>>>------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
>>>
>>>Two things you can do:
>>>
>>>1) tell your users that, before they try to read the disc with iTunes, go
>>>into Prefs, check the Advanced tab, and click the Importing button. Turn off
>>>the checkbox that says "Automatically retrieve CD track names from the
>>>Internet." That's where the problem is coming from. There's a similar CD
>>>out there with identical track lengths and running time as your CD, and
>>>that's where the bad titles are coming from.
>>>
>>
>>Do you realize how unlikely that is? CDDB retreives, minutes, seconds and
>>TENTHS of a second of track times.
>
>
> Oops, I meant hundredths of a second.
>

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 02:11:56 -0500, Chevdo wrote
(in article <0Zeyh.37059$Fd.82@edtnps90>):

> In article <pXeyh.37058$Fd.12448@edtnps90>, says...
>>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2007, Jay Sloat > commented:
>>>
>>>> While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
>>>> finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
>>>> I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
>>>> their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
>>>> extremely vulgar title.
>>>> ------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
>>>
>>> Two things you can do:
>>>
>>> 1) tell your users that, before they try to read the disc with iTunes, go
>>> into Prefs, check the Advanced tab, and click the Importing button. Turn
>>> off
>>> the checkbox that says "Automatically retrieve CD track names from the
>>> Internet." That's where the problem is coming from. There's a similar CD
>>> out there with identical track lengths and running time as your CD, and
>>> that's where the bad titles are coming from.
>>>
>>
>> Do you realize how unlikely that is? CDDB retreives, minutes, seconds and
>> TENTHS of a second of track times.
>
> Oops, I meant hundredths of a second.
>

It's happened to my clients on more than one occasion.

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Brandon Paluzzi]

On Feb 7, 2:48 pm, Ty Ford > wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 02:11:56 -0500, Chevdo wrote
> (in article <0Zeyh.37059$Fd.82@edtnps90>):
>
>
>
> > In article <pXeyh.37058$Fd.12448@edtnps90>, says...
>
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
>
> >>> On Feb 5, 2007, Jay Sloat > commented:
>
> >>>> While the disks play just fine, everyone I've shared these CDs with,
> >>>> finds that when they load them on their computers to play using their
> >>>> I-Tunes application, the contents of my tracks always show up in
> >>>> their I-Tunes sessions listed as a totally different song with an
> >>>> extremely vulgar title.
> >>>> ------------------------------<snip>------------------------------<
>
> >>> Two things you can do:
>
> >>> 1) tell your users that, before they try to read the disc with iTunes, go
> >>> into Prefs, check the Advanced tab, and click the Importing button. Turn
> >>> off
> >>> the checkbox that says "Automatically retrieve CD track names from the
> >>> Internet." That's where the problem is coming from. There's a similar CD
> >>> out there with identical track lengths and running time as your CD, and
> >>> that's where the bad titles are coming from.
>
> >> Do you realize how unlikely that is? CDDB retreives, minutes, seconds and
> >> TENTHS of a second of track times.
>
> > Oops, I meant hundredths of a second.
>
> It's happened to my clients on more than one occasion.
>
> Ty Ford
>
> --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
> Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
> Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

Happens to me all the time, too. Especially with 3-5 song demos.

B

[philicorda]

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:20:14 -0800, Brandon Paluzzi wrote:

<snip>
> Happens to me all the time, too. Especially with 3-5 song demos.
>
> B

And me, every time.
Perhaps the CDDB gives you the nearest match if it can't find anything with
the exact same track lengths.

A half finished album of cheerful hippy psycadelia has become "Revenge Of
The Badd Boyz" with track titles like "Out On Parole (Time To Flip)".

Doesn't bother me. I think it's quite amusing.

[Richard Crowley]

"philicorda" wrote ...
> Brandon Paluzzi wrote:
> <snip>
>> Happens to me all the time, too. Especially with 3-5 song demos.
>>
>> B
>
> And me, every time.
> Perhaps the CDDB gives you the nearest match if it can't find anything
> with
> the exact same track lengths.
>
> A half finished album of cheerful hippy psycadelia has become "Revenge Of
> The Badd Boyz" with track titles like "Out On Parole (Time To Flip)".
>
> Doesn't bother me. I think it's quite amusing.

With the great proliferation of both commercially-released
AND private-issue, or personal CD albums, the original
concept for creating unique database "keys" may have
reached an intrinsic failure point. It was bound to happen
at some point.