Need a floor Monitor to match the sound of Yamaha S115IV mains

[Danny T]

I'm looking for a floor monitor for personal use that will match the
sound of a Yamaha S115IV speaker. I can't find the s115iv monitors
anywhere anymore. I'm guessing they were discontinued... Anyway, this
is the app:
I have a set of Yamaha S115IV like stated but I am a playing as a solo
and mixing from stage. I need something that will sound close to my
mains so that what I hear is what they hear. I'm plying guitar,
keyboards and singing. What I have now, (ear buds, and/or an old peavey
floor) don't sound anywhere near the mains.

Does anyone know where I can get a matching floor for these mains or
know what will should the same as them? ..... Close is good

Thanks

[Scott Dorsey]

Danny T > wrote:
>I'm looking for a floor monitor for personal use that will match the
>sound of a Yamaha S115IV speaker. I can't find the s115iv monitors
>anywhere anymore. I'm guessing they were discontinued... Anyway, this
>is the app:
>I have a set of Yamaha S115IV like stated but I am a playing as a solo
>and mixing from stage. I need something that will sound close to my
>mains so that what I hear is what they hear. I'm plying guitar,
>keyboards and singing. What I have now, (ear buds, and/or an old peavey
>floor) don't sound anywhere near the mains.

You aren't ever going to hear what the audience hears. If you were to
take actual S115IVs and put them down in the ground, they'd sound
totally different than the mains do because of the radically different
placement.

>Does anyone know where I can get a matching floor for these mains or
>know what will should the same as them? ..... Close is good

Get monitors that sound good and help you hear. Get monitors with as
narrow a pattern as possible, to reduce feedback problems. Don't try
and match the mains.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Danny T" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I'm looking for a floor monitor for personal use that will match the
> sound of a Yamaha S115IV speaker. I can't find the s115iv monitors
> anywhere anymore

the C series sounds the same as its the same box with a diffrent finish
George

[Raw-Tracks]

Danny T wrote:
> I'm looking for a floor monitor for personal use that will match the
> sound of a Yamaha S115IV speaker. I can't find the s115iv monitors
> anywhere anymore. I'm guessing they were discontinued... Anyway, this
> is the app:
> I have a set of Yamaha S115IV like stated but I am a playing as a solo
> and mixing from stage. I need something that will sound close to my
> mains so that what I hear is what they hear. I'm plying guitar,
> keyboards and singing. What I have now, (ear buds, and/or an old peavey
> floor) don't sound anywhere near the mains.
>
> Does anyone know where I can get a matching floor for these mains or
> know what will should the same as them? ..... Close is good

Get the Yamaha SM15-V's. They should be plenty close.
http://tinyurl.com/26rbao

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[Danny T]

On Jan 25, 6:58 pm, Raw-Tracks > wrote:
> Danny T wrote:
> > I'm looking for a floor monitor for personal use that will match the
> > sound of a Yamaha S115IV speaker. I can't find the s115iv monitors
> > anywhere anymore. I'm guessing they were discontinued... Anyway, this
> > is the app:
> > I have a set of Yamaha S115IV like stated but I am a playing as a solo
> > and mixing from stage. I need something that will sound close to my
> > mains so that what I hear is what they hear. I'm plying guitar,
> > keyboards and singing. What I have now, (ear buds, and/or an old peavey
> > floor) don't sound anywhere near the mains.
>
> > Does anyone know where I can get a matching floor for these mains or
> > know what will should the same as them? ..... Close is goodGet the Yamaha SM15-V's. They should be plenty close.http://tinyurl.com/26rbao
>
> --
> Eric
>
> Practice Your Mixing Skills
> Download Our Multi-Track Masterswww.Raw-Tracks.comwww.Mad-Host.com


It's not a matter of knowing how to mix, its a matter of hearing it.

[Danny T]

On Jan 25, 9:58 am, > wrote:
> "Danny T" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...
>
> > I'm looking for a floor monitor for personal use that will match the
> > sound of a Yamaha S115IV speaker. I can't find the s115iv monitors
> > anywhere anymorethe C series sounds the same as its the same box with a diffrent finish
> George

Thanks George. I'll look at that one

[Danny T]

On Jan 25, 9:38 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Danny T > wrote:
> >I'm looking for a floor monitor for personal use that will match the
> >sound of a Yamaha S115IV speaker. I can't find the s115iv monitors
> >anywhere anymore. I'm guessing they were discontinued... Anyway, this
> >is the app:
> >I have a set of Yamaha S115IV like stated but I am a playing as a solo
> >and mixing from stage. I need something that will sound close to my
> >mains so that what I hear is what they hear. I'm plying guitar,
> >keyboards and singing. What I have now, (ear buds, and/or an old peavey
> >floor) don't sound anywhere near the mains.You aren't ever going to hear what the audience hears. If you were to
> take actual S115IVs and put them down in the ground, they'd sound
> totally different than the mains do because of the radically different
> placement.
>
> >Does anyone know where I can get a matching floor for these mains or
> >know what will should the same as them? ..... Close is goodGet monitors that sound good and help you hear. Get monitors with as
> narrow a pattern as possible, to reduce feedback problems. Don't try
> and match the mains.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I'm glad you said that. i wasn't even thinking about the pattern of the
speaker.... I know it won't be the same, that's why I said close. I
figure that if I at least start with the same speaker it will be close.
i am having real problems because I play with a lot of dynamics because
I usually play unplugged or in a studio. I'ts been a long time since
I've been live and this is taking some re-getting use to.

Thanks as always Scott.

[Raw-Tracks]

Danny T wrote:
> It's not a matter of knowing how to mix, its a matter of hearing it.
>

What are you talking about?



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[Arny Krueger]

"Raw-Tracks" > wrote in message

> Danny T wrote:
>> It's not a matter of knowing how to mix, its a matter of
>> hearing it.
>
> What are you talking about?

I think he's saying that the mechanics of mixing are relatively easy, while
assembling a bunch of tracks into good music is far more difficult. First,
you have to have an idea, a vision of what those tracks would sound like as
good music, and then you have to know what to do to take what you've got and
transform it into something like that vision.

[Raw-Tracks]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> I think he's saying that the mechanics of mixing are relatively easy, while
> assembling a bunch of tracks into good music is far more difficult. First,
> you have to have an idea, a vision of what those tracks would sound like as
> good music, and then you have to know what to do to take what you've got and
> transform it into something like that vision.

OK, well what does that have to do with floor monitors and why is that
comment directed at me?

*I realize that it is some sort of response to my sig line. However, he
seems to think that Raw-Tracks claims to teach you how to mix. That is
not the purpose of my web site.*


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[Arny Krueger]

"Danny T" > wrote in message
oups.com

> I'm looking for a floor monitor for personal use that
> will match the sound of a Yamaha S115IV speaker. I can't
> find the s115iv monitors anywhere anymore. I'm guessing
> they were discontinued... Anyway, this is the app:
> I have a set of Yamaha S115IV like stated but I am a
> playing as a solo and mixing from stage. I need something
> that will sound close to my mains so that what I hear is
> what they hear.

I don't know why you have that as a goal, unless you are also mixing the
mains.

> I'm plying guitar, keyboards and singing.

But not mixing for the room?

> What I have now, (ear buds, and/or an old peavey floor)
> don't sound anywhere near the mains.

First off, the sound of the mains is composed of their basic response
multiplied by the coloration of the room. In most rooms, there is not a
really consistent sound quality. Therefore, you can't *hear what they hear*
because they (the audience) hear different things depending on where they
sit or stand. Obviouisly, you can only hear one thing at a time.

People who are serious about controlling room sound often have to throw a
lot of technology at the problem. Banks of equalizers are usually in the
picture.

Secondly, the goals of mixing for monitors are different than the goals of
mixing for the room. For openers, you generally want some kind of aesthetic
blend for the room, while performers want and need their monitors to do
anything but blend.

One major example of the inherent difference between mixing mains for the
room and mixing monitors for performers is that in mixing monitors for
performers is that you always end up with the "more me" effect, which is
partially a cliche, and partially completely legitimate.

Another example of this difference is that you often end up with a need for
as many monitor mixes as you have musicians, or close to it. For example, I
have six distinct monitor mixes that we constantly manage at church. They
are vastly different, to say the least.

> Does anyone know where I can get a matching floor for
> these mains or know what will should the same as them?

If you want speakers to sound the same in different acoustical environments,
what seems to work best is start out with speakers that sound as similar as
possible, and then equalize them to get what you want at each particular
location.

[Arny Krueger]

"Raw-Tracks" > wrote in message


> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> I think he's saying that the mechanics of mixing are
>> relatively easy, while assembling a bunch of tracks into
>> good music is far more difficult. First, you have to
>> have an idea, a vision of what those tracks would sound
>> like as good music, and then you have to know what to do
>> to take what you've got and transform it into something
>> like that vision.

> OK, well what does that have to do with floor monitors

Mixing for floor monitors runs afoul of the same principle.

> and why is that comment directed at me?

It's how the thread turned. Pardon me for not putting together your email
address with who you are and what you do.

> *I realize that it is some sort of response to my sig
> line. However, he seems to think that Raw-Tracks claims
> to teach you how to mix. That is not the purpose of my
> web site.*

I would sincerily hope that people use the tracks at your web site (which
BTW I think is a good thing - let me encourage you to persist with it) to
learn how to mix. ;-)

Given that monitor mixes are completely different beasts than house mixes,
and for that part, house mixes are often very different from mixes for
recordings to distribute, it all relates in the end.

BTW I kinda get the idea that your site is very much oriented towards mixing
for recording. This is OK but, you might want to let the world know about
the other kinds of mixing. ;-)

[Raw-Tracks]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> BTW I kinda get the idea that your site is very much oriented towards mixing
> for recording. This is OK but, you might want to let the world know about
> the other kinds of mixing. ;-)

Thanks for the words of encouragement, Arny.

I think I will stick with the purpose of mixing for recording as opposed
to mixing for live sound. Until I can figure out a way to download a
band and a venue, there is just no way to provide someone with a live
sound mixing scenario.

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[Arny Krueger]

"Raw-Tracks" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> BTW I kinda get the idea that your site is very much
>> oriented towards mixing for recording. This is OK but,
>> you might want to let the world know about the other
>> kinds of mixing. ;-)
>
> Thanks for the words of encouragement, Arny.
>
> I think I will stick with the purpose of mixing for
> recording as opposed to mixing for live sound. Until I
> can figure out a way to download a band and a venue,
> there is just no way to provide someone with a live sound
> mixing scenario.

Mixing for the house is like mixing with your mix being mangled by an EFX
box that simulates the response of the house acoustics to the main speakers,
added to the output of another EFX box that simulates the sound coming
directly from the musicians on the stage, including the leakage from their
monitors, which is also mangled by the acoustics of the house.

Each EFX box has both spectral and time distortion elements, and they sum
at the mixer's ears. If the mixer is not in the midst of the house, he has
to mentally translate what he hears to some location in the house. Finally,
some of the house mix is being fed back through all of the mics, and if you
don't watch it, the whole thing howls.

This is why I would like to recommend learning how to mix for recordings
before trying live sound, although in the real world lots of people learn
how to mix live sound first.

Mixing for a performer is like mixing with your mix mangled by all of the
above, plus the musical needs of the performer to hear himself and a
carefully weighted subset of what the other performers are doing. If you are
mixing for a church or other fraternal organization, add in the sound of the
congregation essentially singing at the top of their lungs, right into the
performer's faces.

Yeah, it might be a while before we have DAW software that simulates this
sort of thing well. ;-)

"Raw-Tracks" > wrote in message
...
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> BTW I kinda get the idea that your site is very much oriented towards
>> mixing for recording. This is OK but, you might want to let the world
>> know about the other kinds of mixing. ;-)
>
> Thanks for the words of encouragement, Arny.

I'd soon suffer cancer than listen to anything this clown (arnii)says
if your not familiar with his insanity do a google search
you are in a battle of wits with a unarmed man
george

[Danny T]

>
> > Danny T wrote:
> >> It's not a matter of knowing how to mix, its a matter of
> >> hearing it.
>
> > What are you talking about?I think he's saying that the mechanics of mixing are relatively easy, while
> assembling a bunch of tracks into good music is far more difficult. First,
> you have to have an idea, a vision of what those tracks would sound like as
> good music, and then you have to know what to do to take what you've got and
> transform it into something like that vision.

No - this is much more simple. I know how to get the sound i want. I am
talking about when i am a solo act, sitting on stage with the mixer by
my side with a monitor facing me that does not sound like the mains
facing the FOH. I need to know what they are hearing. I want to get
something as close to the sound that the audiance is hearing so when I
mix, I know they are hearing what I mix. As it is now, the sound of the
room is one problem but the sound between what i hear in the speaker
itself and what they hear from my Yamaha FOH speakers are not the same.
I am just trying to get a better grab on the sound I am not hearing.
I'm talking about small, solo act gigs only here. There is no other
soundman and NO $$ for one.

[Danny T]

On Jan 26, 6:44 am, Raw-Tracks > wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
> > I think he's saying that the mechanics of mixing are relatively easy, while
> > assembling a bunch of tracks into good music is far more difficult. First,
> > you have to have an idea, a vision of what those tracks would sound like as
> > good music, and then you have to know what to do to take what you've got and
> > transform it into something like that vision.OK, well what does that have to do with floor monitors and why is that
> comment directed at me?
>
> *I realize that it is some sort of response to my sig line. However, he
> seems to think that Raw-Tracks claims to teach you how to mix. That is
> not the purpose of my web site.*
>
> --
> Eric
>
> Practice Your Mixing Skills
> Download Our Multi-Track Masterswww.Raw-Tracks.comwww.Mad-Host.com

Sorry! I way your sig and thought that was your comment. I didn't see
that you had mentioned the C series speakers.....

[Raw-Tracks]

Danny T wrote:
> Sorry! I way your sig and thought that was your comment. I didn't see
> that you had mentioned the C series speakers.....

Actually, it was not me who mentioned the C Series speakers. Here is my
response to you again:

Get the Yamaha SM15-V's. They should be plenty close.
http://tinyurl.com/26rbao


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