CEP/Audition Always Locks Up

[Thomas Bishop]

I've been having problems in the past with recording to Audition 1.5. I
typically record live events lasting a couple of hours and Audition always
freezes at some point in the recording. I thought it was a hardware issue
but I recently switched the Onyx 1640 for a MOTU 8Pre and still have
problems. I have used multiple computers, all up to the task at hand, but
have had no luck with extended recording. I have spent the day doing some
tests, recording 8 tracks at once, in Audition 1.5, CEP 2.1, and Cubase LE.
Since I was having problems with Audition I uninstalled it and went back to
CEP 2.1. Audition would lock up sometimes 5 minutes in. CEP froze at a
little over an hour. I stopped recording in Cubase at over 1.5 hrs and it
seemed to be rock solid.

Can anyone lend advice on why this may be happening? I know that
CEP/Audition is a WDM platform and Cubase is ASIO, but to be honest I really
don't know the difference.

Also, I run Windows XP and have tried recording both to external drives and
the internal drive, but have the same results.

Thanks for your help.

[[email protected]]

A buddy of mine was using Audition (version 2 I believe) and
experienced the same "lock up" issue. He spent days trying to figure
out what was wrong, but never did find the solution. He bought Sonar 6
P and called it quits with Audition. BTW, CEP never gave him any
trouble with the same audio hardware/computer.

DaveT

[Thomas Bishop]

> wrote in message
>A buddy of mine was using Audition (version 2 I believe) and
> experienced the same "lock up" issue. He spent days trying to figure
> out what was wrong, but never did find the solution. He bought Sonar 6
> P and called it quits with Audition. BTW, CEP never gave him any
> trouble with the same audio hardware/computer.


Thanks for letting me know that I'm not alone. I hope to not have to give
up on Audition, though, because I know it pretty well. I don't really want
to learn a new program, but I guess I should start learning Cubase if I want
to work any time soon.

[[email protected]]

Yeah, my friend really likes CEP/Audition. He was not happy about
making the change. Have you considered formating the drive and
starting over? Pretty radical step but it might solve the problem.

DaveT

Thomas Bishop wrote:
> > wrote in message
> >A buddy of mine was using Audition (version 2 I believe) and
> > experienced the same "lock up" issue. He spent days trying to figure
> > out what was wrong, but never did find the solution. He bought Sonar 6
> > P and called it quits with Audition. BTW, CEP never gave him any
> > trouble with the same audio hardware/computer.
>
>
> Thanks for letting me know that I'm not alone. I hope to not have to give
> up on Audition, though, because I know it pretty well. I don't really want
> to learn a new program, but I guess I should start learning Cubase if I want
> to work any time soon.

[Thomas Bishop]

> wrote in message
> Yeah, my friend really likes CEP/Audition. He was not happy about
> making the change. Have you considered formating the drive and
> starting over? Pretty radical step but it might solve the problem.

Formatting what drive? The partition that holds my programs and OS, the
partition that holds my data, my external firewire drive, or the external
USB drive? :) This is a brand new computer. When I uninstalled Audition
and CEP last night I clicked the option that removed everything, including
the registry entries. So when I reinstalled CEP it should have been a
completely fresh start. I don't think a reformatting is the answer and that
will be a VERY last resort.

[[email protected]]

Didn't understand it was new computer. Looks like you've tried
everything I would have.
Like I said, formatting the O/S drive is a radical step, but if
everything else fails. Starting with a fresh, plain vanilla install of
the O/S might get you going again.

DaveT

Thomas Bishop wrote:
> > wrote in message
> > Yeah, my friend really likes CEP/Audition. He was not happy about
> > making the change. Have you considered formating the drive and
> > starting over? Pretty radical step but it might solve the problem.
>
> Formatting what drive? The partition that holds my programs and OS, the
> partition that holds my data, my external firewire drive, or the external
> USB drive? :) This is a brand new computer. When I uninstalled Audition
> and CEP last night I clicked the option that removed everything, including
> the registry entries. So when I reinstalled CEP it should have been a
> completely fresh start. I don't think a reformatting is the answer and that
> will be a VERY last resort.

[[email protected]]

My XP experience is very limited but

XP comes with all kinds of MS crap enabled.
Run msconfig and disable everything.
Then one enable is needed for internet ("workstation"
and one was needed to play sound files.

Do run chkdsk too.

[[email protected]]

CEP 2.0 stable in recording here (both XP and 98 computers). Locks up
sometimes with direct X though. Cool Edit 96 was rock stable, CEP 1.0
and 1.2 were crap for multitrack recording, so I stuck up at 2.0 and
didn't pay for the joy of a maybe unstable Audition.

Phil Ranger

[Thomas Bishop]

Does anyone else have advice? I am about to start over with Cubase,
but I really don't want to since I know how to use Audition.

[Arny Krueger]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
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> Does anyone else have advice?

Change your audio interface.

[Thomas Bishop]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> Does anyone else have advice?
>
> Change your audio interface.

You should have read all of those words I typed. ;) I have been through
several interfaces: several MOTU PCI cards, Firepod, Onyx 1640, and now MOTU
8Pre. I have never been able to successfully record more than an hour or
so, and sometimes not even 5 minutes. Cubase seems to work fine but CEP 2.1
and Audition 1.5 always freeze.

[Scott Smith]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Does anyone else have advice? I am about to start over with Cubase,
> but I really don't want to since I know how to use Audition.

I really, really like Audition and (have) used it for years, although its
main purpose at this juncture (for me) is editing, which it's terrific at.
For multitracking, although I typically use Samplitude, if I had to choose
between Cubase and Audition, I'd opt for Cubase. Then again, that's probably
because I use VSTi's periodically. Audition doesn't really offer much in the
way of MIDI.

[Arny Krueger]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in
message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message

>>> Does anyone else have advice?

>> Change your audio interface.

> You should have read all of those words I typed. ;) I
> have been through several interfaces: several MOTU PCI
> cards, Firepod, Onyx 1640, and now MOTU 8Pre. I have
> never been able to successfully record more than an hour
> or so, and sometimes not even 5 minutes. Cubase seems to
> work fine but CEP 2.1 and Audition 1.5 always freeze.

I routinely record upwards of 12-16 tracks or more for an hour or more with
CEP 2.1. The source is a church service that runs up to 80 minutes, one that
I record for anywheres from 30 minutes to the whole enchelada.

The system is bare bones and isolated - not on any network, and not updated
since it started working well.

I've found two things that can keep me from doing this sucessfully:

(1) The use of other audio interfaces than the M-Audio Delta series cards I
use. For obvious reasons, my experiences with other audio interfaces has
not been very broad. I use 2 1010LT, a 1010, and a Delta 66.

(2) A fragmented hard drive.

The Athlon 2000+ system that I've been using for the last 2 years is a
pretty straightforward system - 512 megs of RAM, 2 - 7200 rpm hard drives in
the 120 GB range, an ECS K7S5A system board and a generic Nvidia graphics
card. 2 DVD drives, a reader and a writer.

When things locked up in the past, the system first got to be lethargic, and
started to stop update the real time display in a timely fashion. Eventually
graphical controls including CE's stop button became ineffective. In some
cases I was able to record the entire session, turn the system off, reboot,
recover the session and save it. Sound familiar?

A system that locks up hard without first getting sluggish is probably
suffering from marginal hardware - maybe RAM.

[Thomas Bishop]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> (2) A fragmented hard drive.

The drive is brand new and not fragmented. Just for kicks I defragged it
anyway, though.

> When things locked up in the past, the system first got to be lethargic,
> and started to stop update the real time display in a timely fashion.
> Eventually graphical controls including CE's stop button became
> ineffective. In some cases I was able to record the entire session, turn
> the system off, reboot, recover the session and save it. Sound familiar?
>
> A system that locks up hard without first getting sluggish is probably
> suffering from marginal hardware - maybe RAM.

768 MB RAM, 1.8 GHz Core Duo processor. It's far from lethargic and I only
have problems with CEP/Audition. I wouldn't mind calling Adobe, but last I
checked their Audition support was pay-per-call. I don't want to give them
$50 for them to tell me that I have hardware issues and to call Dell/MOTU.

[Arny Krueger]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in
message
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> (2) A fragmented hard drive.
>
> The drive is brand new and not fragmented. Just for
> kicks I defragged it anyway, though.
>
>> When things locked up in the past, the system first got
>> to be lethargic, and started to stop update the real
>> time display in a timely fashion. Eventually graphical
>> controls including CE's stop button became ineffective.
>> In some cases I was able to record the entire session, turn the system
>> off, reboot, recover the session and
>> save it. Sound familiar? A system that locks up hard without first
>> getting
>> sluggish is probably suffering from marginal hardware -
>> maybe RAM.
>
> 768 MB RAM, 1.8 GHz Core Duo processor. It's far from
> lethargic and I only have problems with CEP/Audition.

Programs have different memory-use profiles. I've seen many machines with
bad RAM that would only fail with one program, sometimes one that seems to
be devoid of exceptional characteristics.

OTOH, if you want to really wring a machine out, Adobe Premiere Elements
seems to be the ticket.

[Thomas Bishop]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> Programs have different memory-use profiles. I've seen many machines with
> bad RAM that would only fail with one program, sometimes one that seems
> to be devoid of exceptional characteristics.

That's a good point. I had thought about the potential for bad RAM, but
since I wasn't having any other problems I dismissed that idea. Still, I've
had this problem on multiple computers. I hope that I find the solution,
but until then I am learning how to track in Cubase. Then I can edit in
Audition if I need the familiarity.

[Steve King]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
...
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> Programs have different memory-use profiles. I've seen many machines with
>> bad RAM that would only fail with one program, sometimes one that seems
>> to be devoid of exceptional characteristics.
>
> That's a good point. I had thought about the potential for bad RAM, but
> since I wasn't having any other problems I dismissed that idea. Still,
> I've had this problem on multiple computers. I hope that I find the
> solution, but until then I am learning how to track in Cubase. Then I can
> edit in Audition if I need the familiarity.

Your problem is a mystery. I have CoolEdit PRo 2.0 running on two Intel
Windows 98 machines and one AMD WinXP machine. I have Audition 1.5 running
on a WinXP AMD machine, a Del laptop, and an Intel WinXP machine.
Cumulatively, I may have had four or five crashes in seven or eight years.
And, in all cases, I was able to recover the session upon re-boot. With
multiple machine failures, you are having an incredible string of bad luck
if I read your complaint right, or you have corrupted software. For a
single machine problem the possible bad RAM issue is the first I'd explore.

Steve King

[Thomas Bishop]

"Steve King" > wrote in message
> Your problem is a mystery. I have CoolEdit PRo 2.0 running on two Intel
> Windows 98 machines and one AMD WinXP machine. I have Audition 1.5
> running on a WinXP AMD machine, a Del laptop, and an Intel WinXP machine.
> Cumulatively, I may have had four or five crashes in seven or eight years.
> And, in all cases, I was able to recover the session upon re-boot. With
> multiple machine failures, you are having an incredible string of bad luck
> if I read your complaint right, or you have corrupted software. For a
> single machine problem the possible bad RAM issue is the first I'd
> explore.

I have had problems on multiple systems and the possibility of corrupted
software is the only explanation that i can think of. But, how likely do
you think it would be for me to be able to convince Adobe to send me a fresh
copy?

[Julian]

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:12:23 -0500, "Thomas Bishop"
> wrote:

>I have had problems on multiple systems and the possibility of corrupted
>software is the only explanation that i can think of. But, how likely do
>you think it would be for me to be able to convince Adobe to send me a fresh
>copy?

Sounds like you've used 2 sound cards. 2 sound cards that were not
configured properly is a possible explanation.

Julian

[Thomas Bishop]

"Julian" > wrote in message
> Sounds like you've used 2 sound cards. 2 sound cards that were not
> configured properly is a possible explanation.

I have not used two sound cards at once. I have tried a variety of
interfaces (many MOTU firewire and PCI devices, Presonus, and Mackie) and
still have issues. There's not much to "properly" configuring an 8Pre and I
am quite sure that I am doing it right. Works just fine in Cubase. I'm
going to call Adobe on Monday and see if I can convince them that I don't
have a hardware issue. We'll see.

[Arny Krueger]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in
message
> "Steve King" >
> wrote in message
>> Your problem is a mystery. I have CoolEdit PRo 2.0
>> running on two Intel Windows 98 machines and one AMD
>> WinXP machine. I have Audition 1.5 running on a WinXP
>> AMD machine, a Del laptop, and an Intel WinXP machine.
>> Cumulatively, I may have had four or five crashes in
>> seven or eight years. And, in all cases, I was able to
>> recover the session upon re-boot. With multiple machine
>> failures, you are having an incredible string of bad
>> luck if I read your complaint right, or you have
>> corrupted software. For a single machine problem the
>> possible bad RAM issue is the first I'd explore.
>
> I have had problems on multiple systems and the
> possibility of corrupted software is the only explanation
> that i can think of. But, how likely do you think it
> would be for me to be able to convince Adobe to send me a
> fresh copy?

Probably easier to get a new disk out of Audition, than its likely it will
do any good.

Modern install software checks its files out pretty closely before going
through with the install procedure.

It's more likely that a subtly-corrupted PC will corrupt the files in
transit. Usual cause is the same as I've been talking about - bad memory
chips.

[Joe Kramer]

Hey Thomas,

I'm a big fan of CEP, using 1.2a with Win98SE on a Dell 2.4gh machine.
Back when CEP was still Syntrillium, a tech support guy gave me this tip
for doing longer recordings: estimate the length of the recording you
plan to do and use the "Create Silence" function to make a blank wave of
that size. Now the hardrive space is essentially "mapped out" for that
amount of time/space. Seemes to work for me, though I've never recorded
anything much over an hour. Hope this helps.

Regards,
Joe


Thomas Bishop wrote:
> I've been having problems in the past with recording to Audition 1.5. I
> typically record live events lasting a couple of hours and Audition always
> freezes at some point in the recording. I thought it was a hardware issue
> but I recently switched the Onyx 1640 for a MOTU 8Pre and still have
> problems. I have used multiple computers, all up to the task at hand, but
> have had no luck with extended recording. I have spent the day doing some
> tests, recording 8 tracks at once, in Audition 1.5, CEP 2.1, and Cubase LE.
> Since I was having problems with Audition I uninstalled it and went back to
> CEP 2.1. Audition would lock up sometimes 5 minutes in. CEP froze at a
> little over an hour. I stopped recording in Cubase at over 1.5 hrs and it
> seemed to be rock solid.
>
> Can anyone lend advice on why this may be happening? I know that
> CEP/Audition is a WDM platform and Cubase is ASIO, but to be honest I really
> don't know the difference.
>
> Also, I run Windows XP and have tried recording both to external drives and
> the internal drive, but have the same results.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>

[Julian]

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:31:27 GMT, Joe Kramer >
wrote:

>Hey Thomas,
>
>I'm a big fan of CEP, using 1.2a with Win98SE on a Dell 2.4gh machine.
>Back when CEP was still Syntrillium, a tech support guy gave me this tip
>for doing longer recordings: estimate the length of the recording you
>plan to do and use the "Create Silence" function to make a blank wave of
>that size. Now the hardrive space is essentially "mapped out" for that
>amount of time/space. Seemes to work for me, though I've never recorded
>anything much over an hour. Hope this helps.
>
>Regards,
>Joe

You mean create silence and then record over that silence, right?

Julian