Help needed for a trashed Bass Guitar Track

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How to resurrect a blown bass track?

I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
(Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's. The bass sounds fine
on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
a bass amp.

I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.

I throw myself on the mercy of the group. I have benefited greatly,
through the years, from the knowledge, tips, and tricks, etc., that I
have read of in this newsgroup. I would now request that anyone who
could offer any ideas of how to resurrect this track either reply to
the thread, or contact me through the email address listed in the
posting.

Thank you all in anticipation of your assistance.

[Geoff]

wrote:
> How to resurrect a blown bass track?


Call it "The Word" and pretend that's how it was meant to be !

geoff

[Mike Rieves]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> How to resurrect a blown bass track?
>
> I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
> in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
> bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
> (Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
> however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
> Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
> pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
> some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
> through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's. The bass sounds fine
> on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
> through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
> preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
> a bass amp.
>
> I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
> have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
> of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
> well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
> in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
> isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.
>
> I throw myself on the mercy of the group. I have benefited greatly,
> through the years, from the knowledge, tips, and tricks, etc., that I
> have read of in this newsgroup. I would now request that anyone who
> could offer any ideas of how to resurrect this track either reply to
> the thread, or contact me through the email address listed in the
> posting.
>
> Thank you all in anticipation of your assistance.
>
>
>

If you can, post an MP3 of the bass track where we can download it and
take a crack at it. You might also post an un mastered MP3 mix of the whole
song without the bass track as well. We'll give it a shot and see what we
can do with it. Make the bass track the full length of the song, even if you
have to add silent space to the bass track so we won't have problems with
sync.

[Paul Stamler]

> wrote in message
oups.com...

> I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
> in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
> bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
> (Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
> however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
> Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
> pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
> some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
> through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's. The bass sounds fine
> on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
> through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
> preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
> a bass amp.
>
> I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
> have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
> of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
> well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
> in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
> isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.

Triggered samples?

Peace,
Paul

"Paul Stamler" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> > I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
> > in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
> > bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
> > (Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
> > however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
> > Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
> > pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
> > some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
> > through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's. The bass sounds fine
> > on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
> > through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
> > preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
> > a bass amp.
> >
> > I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
> > have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
> > of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
> > well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
> > in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
> > isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.
>
> Triggered samples?
>
> Peace,
> Paul
>
>
Filter out everything above 400 Hz, then add triggered samples?

Mikey Wozniak
Nova Music Productions
This sig is haiku

[Monkey Pi]

wrote:
> "Paul Stamler" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>>
>>
>>>I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
>>>in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
>>>bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
>>>(Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
>>>however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
>>>Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
>>>pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
>>>some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
>>>through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's. The bass sounds fine
>>>on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
>>>through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
>>>preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
>>>a bass amp.
>>>
>>>I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
>>>have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
>>>of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
>>>well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
>>>in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
>>>isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.
>>
>>Triggered samples?
>>
>>Peace,
>>Paul
>>
>>
>
> Filter out everything above 400 Hz, then add triggered samples?
>
> Mikey Wozniak
> Nova Music Productions
> This sig is haiku
>

Filter out everything above 400 Hz, then drop the volume a bit while
trying to isolate and boost the other good frequencies from bleed on
copies of the guitar and drum tracks?

That or have another jam

Monkey Pi

[Scott Dorsey]

> wrote:
>
>I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
>in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
>bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
>(Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
>however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
>Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
>pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
>some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
>through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's. The bass sounds fine
>on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
>through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
>preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
>a bass amp.

So, there's basically no fundamental there. Because of that, there's
really nothing you can do with EQ to fix the problem, because EQ won't
add anything that isn't there in the first place.

Try one of the subharmonic synthesizers.... the Peavey one is the one
I am most familiar with, but dbx makes one and there are a few others
out there. They basically add a synthetic subharmonic an octave or two
below the note.

You can _also_ try running the tape at half speed, processing it with
the subharmonic synthesizer, returning it to another track, and then
playing it back at normal speed. This basically causes the output of
the synthesizer to move up an octave which might be useful.

This won't fix the problem, but it'll add some definition to the sound
and it'll at least give you soemthing that you can work with EQ on.

Another solution MIGHT be to find another track with a lot of bass bleed
and use some judicious EQ on that.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Geoff]

Paul Stamler wrote:
>
>> ill defined.
>
> Triggered samples?

If the buzz-saw bass is suficiently monophonic, maybe a pitch-to-MIDI
converter and re-insert MIDI snynth or sampled notes.

geoff

[Mark]

Overdub.

Mark

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> How to resurrect a blown bass track?
>
> I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
> in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
> bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
> (Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
> however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
> Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
> pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
> some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
> through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's. The bass sounds fine
> on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
> through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
> preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
> a bass amp.
>
> I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
> have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
> of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
> well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
> in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
> isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.
>
> I throw myself on the mercy of the group. I have benefited greatly,
> through the years, from the knowledge, tips, and tricks, etc., that I
> have read of in this newsgroup. I would now request that anyone who
> could offer any ideas of how to resurrect this track either reply to
> the thread, or contact me through the email address listed in the
> posting.
>
> Thank you all in anticipation of your assistance.
>
>
>

[[email protected]]

"Think for Yourself" is the more likely candidate ..


;)


Geoff wrote:
> wrote:
> > How to resurrect a blown bass track?
>
>
> Call it "The Word" and pretend that's how it was meant to be !
>
> geoff

[Geoff]

>
>
> ;)
>
>
> Geoff wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> How to resurrect a blown bass track?
>>
>>
>> Call it "The Word" and pretend that's how it was meant to be !
>>
>> geoff

wrote:
> "Think for Yourself" is the more likely candidate ..

Oh yeah - that's the one !

geoff

[Les Cargill]

wrote:

> How to resurrect a blown bass track?
>
> I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
> in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
> bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
> (Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
> however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
> Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
> pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
> some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
> through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's.

Took the line out, didya? Don't do that. The line out
on Acoustic bass heads SUX.

> The bass sounds fine
> on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
> through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
> preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
> a bass amp.
>
> I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
> have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
> of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
> well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
> in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
> isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.
>

Split the 0-449.9999999 and 450-5K ranges off into a seperate file
Take individual notes in the 450-5k file, and check the spectrum of
'em. Chances are, the higher harmonics will be more present than
the low. EQ *that* track accordingly - you will not make it "good",
you'll just make it less offensive. You want to very gently low-pass
the track.

If it's *that* precious, retrack it. Or treat it as a document
and mix it anyway.

> I throw myself on the mercy of the group. I have benefited greatly,
> through the years, from the knowledge, tips, and tricks, etc., that I
> have read of in this newsgroup. I would now request that anyone who
> could offer any ideas of how to resurrect this track either reply to
> the thread, or contact me through the email address listed in the
> posting.
>
> Thank you all in anticipation of your assistance.
>
>
>

--
Les Cargill

[Ray Thomas]

Fix one: the bass player is still alive ..?....re-track him, taking time to
capture the full spectrum of his amp this time around, via appropriate
miking, compression and DI blend. Fix two: isolate all the bleed tracks,
filter them savagely to emphasize the bass timbre, re-combine them in
various configurations, including phase flipping, and see if you can't
cobble together a half decent sound from some combination of these ? Remix
this new 'embalmed' bass track back in, scrapping the original one
altogether if possible ?
Ray

"Les Cargill" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>> How to resurrect a blown bass track?
>>
>> I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
>> in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
>> bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
>> (Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
>> however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
>> Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
>> pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
>> some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
>> through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's.
>
> Took the line out, didya? Don't do that. The line out
> on Acoustic bass heads SUX.
>
> > The bass sounds fine
>> on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
>> through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
>> preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
>> a bass amp.
>>
>> I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
>> have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
>> of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
>> well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
>> in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
>> isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.
>>
>
> Split the 0-449.9999999 and 450-5K ranges off into a seperate file
> Take individual notes in the 450-5k file, and check the spectrum of
> 'em. Chances are, the higher harmonics will be more present than
> the low. EQ *that* track accordingly - you will not make it "good",
> you'll just make it less offensive. You want to very gently low-pass
> the track.
>
> If it's *that* precious, retrack it. Or treat it as a document
> and mix it anyway.
>
>> I throw myself on the mercy of the group. I have benefited greatly,
>> through the years, from the knowledge, tips, and tricks, etc., that I
>> have read of in this newsgroup. I would now request that anyone who
>> could offer any ideas of how to resurrect this track either reply to
>> the thread, or contact me through the email address listed in the
>> posting.
>>
>> Thank you all in anticipation of your assistance.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Les Cargill

[Mike Rieves]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> How to resurrect a blown bass track?
>
> I have been working on an 8 track tape of an, in all likelihood, once
> in a lifetime performance by three aging hippies and lifelong friends
> bashing away at Hendrix, Clapton, Winter etc tunes during the recent
> (Labor Day 06) Hurricane Ernesto. Most of the tracks sound OK,
> however, the bass guitar sounds like a Gibson EB0 played through a
> Dallas Arbiter FuzzFace, into a Marshall stack that has had pencils
> pushed through the speakers ala Link Wray. That might be allright for
> some, but the actual instrument was a gorgeous sounding 1965 Jazz Bass,
> through an Acoustic head into two 15" EV's. The bass sounds fine
> on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
> through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
> preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
> a bass amp.
>
> I have been attempting to resurrect this track with limited success. I
> have transferred the tracks to Pro Tools, LE, and have tried a variety
> of eq's, compressors, and expanders, both plug in, and outboard, as
> well as using the waves X-noise plug in. Most of the noise seems to be
> in the 450Hz to 5kHz range. I can get the lower range (<500Hz)
> isolated, but that ends up sounding muddy, boomy, and ill defined.
>
> I throw myself on the mercy of the group. I have benefited greatly,
> through the years, from the knowledge, tips, and tricks, etc., that I
> have read of in this newsgroup. I would now request that anyone who
> could offer any ideas of how to resurrect this track either reply to
> the thread, or contact me through the email address listed in the
> posting.
>
> Thank you all in anticipation of your assistance.
>
>
>

Could you get the bass player to re-record the bassline? Just delete the
old track and mix in the new one.

[Philipp Wachtel]

Mike Rieves:
> strtmstr55:

> Could you get the bass player to re-record the bassline? Just delete
> the old track and mix in the new one.

Ehm, you did read and understand the following words in the original
posting?!

>> once in a lifetime performance

Have you ever heard, that some performances result out of specific
situations and feelings, which can´t be easily "re-created". So overdubbing
might capture the right notes, but certainly not the original feeling of the
live performance...


Phil

[hank alrich]

strtmstr55 wrote:

> The bass sounds fine
> on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
> through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
> preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
> a bass amp.

I'd work with that bleed. Get the bass sound from there.

--
ha
"Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam"

[Thomas Bishop]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
>> The bass sounds fine
>> on the bleed from other tracks (vocal mic's , and even drum O/H), but
>> through the bass track itself (apparently recorded with either a faulty
>> preamp, or defective DI), it sounds like what a Buzz saw would, through
>> a bass amp.
>
> I'd work with that bleed. Get the bass sound from there.

Especially the overheads. Copy the tracks and take out all the high end.
You'll be left with toms, the remaining snare, and some low-registered 4
stringed instrument.

[[email protected]]

First of all, allow me to say a fervent "Thanks You" to all of you who
have helped me out in this fix. Secondly, please forgive me for not
replying sooner. That Day Gig just seems to cut into my recording life
pretty badly.

I was going to answer each post separately, in consideration of your
taking the time to try to help me out. Unfortunately, I never seem to
have as much time as I want and/or need. So I would like to address
the suggestions as they are grouped together by different posters.

1). Redo the bass part. While it's true that this would probably give
the best sound, there are several limitations. First of all, the Bass
Player is still alive, but a good 5 or 6 hour drive away. Plus, he's
going through some pretty messy personal stuff, so that won't be as
easy as it might sound. Second, the entire concert is 2 ½ hours
long, so just the recreating of the track would be rather time
consuming. Third, as I mentioned, this was a kind of special
performance, and although that would be "cheating," it ain't a
bad idea. If all else fails, I might very well be inclined to go that
way, although I am leaving in various goofs, clams, miscues, wrong
notes etc., for authenticity.

2). Triggered Samples/ Pitch to midi converter. Funny you should
mention that. I didn't mention that the Kick Drum track was also
fairly trashed. Apparently, someone moved the mic to a position that
wasn't exactly facing the head of the drum. The sound is off axis,
and, frankly, terrible. A cross between somebody dropping a box of
phone books on the floor above you, and kicking a pig (don't ask). I
have spent the past two weeks going through the entire show, drumbeat
by drumbeat, using the old Octapad (glad I kept that around) and a
variety of compressors, and gates( REALLY glad I kept the Kepex's),
to trigger sampled kicks to get an EXACT replication of the kick drum
track. How do you do that with a Bass track, though? I musta missed
that one. Any info, suggestions, etc, as to what gear to buy would
also be appreciated.

3). Scott, as always, a special thanks. The idea of the subharmoonic
synthesizer is something I would have never thought of. I'm off to
ebay to hunt one down as we speak. And the idea of halving the tape
speed is pure poetry.

4). Let It Bleed. Having gone into the basement and playing around
with the bass tracks for a little bit, after reading the suggestions, I
do believe that this is going to probably be the way I will end up
going (although I'm seriously jonesing for a subharmonic now).
Thanks to the many who suggested various ideas regarding eq, isolating
tracks by frequencies, and recombining things into a kind of
Frankenstein Bass track. I'm starting to believe this is going to
work

5). ""Think for Yourself" is the more likely candidate .. Oh yeah -
that's the one !" I've actually started listening to some Felix
Pappalardi......

6). "Took the line out, didya? Don't do that. The line out on
Acoustic bass heads SUX." NOW they tell me! Well, glad to hear it
wasn't just that amp. But, who woulda figured? Usually, if you put
something useful on an amp, like a line out, you make it work. It
would have been better to just hang a 57 over the cabinet.

At any rate, I can see that I have my work cut out for me this weekend.
Once again, many thanks to all for the assistance.

..

[[email protected]]

First of all, allow me to say a fervent "Thanks You" to all of you who
have helped me out in this fix. Secondly, please forgive me for not
replying sooner. That Day Gig just seems to cut into my recording life
pretty badly.

I was going to answer each post separately, in consideration of your
taking the time to try to help me out. Unfortunately, I never seem to
have as much time as I want and/or need. So I would like to address
the suggestions as they are grouped together by different posters.

1). Redo the bass part. While it's true that this would probably give
the best sound, there are several limitations. First of all, the Bass
Player is still alive, but a good 5 or 6 hour drive away. Plus, he's
going through some pretty messy personal stuff, so that won't be as
easy as it might sound. Second, the entire concert is 2 ½ hours
long, so just the recreating of the track would be rather time
consuming. Third, as I mentioned, this was a kind of special
performance, and although that would be "cheating," it ain't a
bad idea. If all else fails, I might very well be inclined to go that
way, although I am leaving in various goofs, clams, miscues, wrong
notes etc., for authenticity.

2). Triggered Samples/ Pitch to midi converter. Funny you should
mention that. I didn't mention that the Kick Drum track was also
fairly trashed. Apparently, someone moved the mic to a position that
wasn't exactly facing the head of the drum. The sound is off axis,
and, frankly, terrible. A cross between somebody dropping a box of
phone books on the floor above you, and kicking a pig (don't ask). I
have spent the past two weeks going through the entire show, drumbeat
by drumbeat, using the old Octapad (glad I kept that around) and a
variety of compressors, and gates( REALLY glad I kept the Kepex's),
to trigger sampled kicks to get an EXACT replication of the kick drum
track. How do you do that with a Bass track, though? I musta missed
that one. Any info, suggestions, etc, as to what gear to buy would
also be appreciated.

3). Scott, as always, a special thanks. The idea of the subharmoonic
synthesizer is something I would have never thought of. I'm off to
ebay to hunt one down as we speak. And the idea of halving the tape
speed is pure poetry.

4). Let It Bleed. Having gone into the basement and playing around
with the bass tracks for a little bit, after reading the suggestions, I
do believe that this is going to probably be the way I will end up
going (although I'm seriously jonesing for a subharmonic now).
Thanks to the many who suggested various ideas regarding eq, isolating
tracks by frequencies, and recombining things into a kind of
Frankenstein Bass track. I'm starting to believe this is going to
work

5). ""Think for Yourself" is the more likely candidate .. Oh yeah -
that's the one !" I've actually started listening to some Felix
Pappalardi......

6). "Took the line out, didya? Don't do that. The line out on
Acoustic bass heads SUX." NOW they tell me! Well, glad to hear it
wasn't just that amp. But, who woulda figured? Usually, if you put
something useful on an amp, like a line out, you make it work. It
would have been better to just hang a 57 over the cabinet.

At any rate, I can see that I have my work cut out for me this weekend.
Once again, many thanks to all for the assistance.

..

[hank alrich]

<strtmstr55 wrote:

> 4). Let It Bleed. Having gone into the basement and playing around
> with the bass tracks for a little bit, after reading the suggestions, I
> do believe that this is going to probably be the way I will end up
> going (although I'm seriously jonesing for a subharmonic now).
> Thanks to the many who suggested various ideas regarding eq, isolating
> tracks by frequencies, and recombining things into a kind of
> Frankenstein Bass track. I'm starting to believe this is going to
> work

Sometimes the sub synths don't work so well if they don't have a clean
tone to start from. You might want to try one out before forking over
coin.

--
ha
"Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam"

[Mike Rieves]

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Rieves:
>> strtmstr55:
>
>> Could you get the bass player to re-record the bassline? Just delete
>> the old track and mix in the new one.
>
> Ehm, you did read and understand the following words in the original
> posting?!
>
>>> once in a lifetime performance
>
> Have you ever heard, that some performances result out of specific
> situations and feelings, which can´t be easily "re-created". So
> overdubbing might capture the right notes, but certainly not the original
> feeling of the live performance...
>

Sure, but there's an easy answer, just have the bass player do another
"once in a lifetime" performance. :-)
Hey I suggested earlier that he post links to the tracks and let us have
a try at fixing the bass track, but if it can't be fixed, then the only
options are living with a bad bass track or take a stab at re-recording it.

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> Sure, but there's an easy answer, just have the bass player do another
> "once in a lifetime" performance. :-)
> Hey I suggested earlier that he post links to the tracks and let us have
> a try at fixing the bass track, but if it can't be fixed, then the only
> options are living with a bad bass track or take a stab at re-recording it.

.. Dang!

I knew there was something I forgot to address in my last posting. I
wanted to say how much I appreciated Mike's offer to examine the
grisly remains of the victim himself. I even went and isolated one of
the bass tracks, in order to do just that. Then I realized, I have no
idea, short of email, how to put it on the net. Also, I didn't want
to impose on anyone by offering to email them a file, as we all know
how problematic that has become. I wouldn't want anyone to think
this was some complex, sinister plan to spread viruses, etc.

So, at the risk of betraying my inexperience, is there a simple way to
post something like this online, and, if so, how? Looks like we're
getting snowed in here, so I'll have plenty of time.

And, once again, my sincerest thanks for all the assistance.

[Les Cargill]

wrote:

> First of all, allow me to say a fervent "Thanks You" to all of you who
> have helped me out in this fix. Secondly, please forgive me for not
> replying sooner. That Day Gig just seems to cut into my recording life
> pretty badly.
>
<snip>
>
> 6). "Took the line out, didya? Don't do that. The line out on
> Acoustic bass heads SUX." NOW they tell me! Well, glad to hear it
> wasn't just that amp. But, who woulda figured? Usually, if you put
> something useful on an amp, like a line out, you make it work. It
> would have been better to just hang a 57 over the cabinet.
>

Sorry you had to find out that way! I knew it :) BTDT! And I do not
know why this is, it just is. Even worse - it's relatively
easy to drop a DI box out of the second input jack on the front.

> At any rate, I can see that I have my work cut out for me this weekend.
> Once again, many thanks to all for the assistance.
>
> .
>

--
Les Cargill

[VainGlorious]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:35:33 +0100, "Philipp Wachtel"
> wrote:

>Mike Rieves:
>> strtmstr55:
>
>> Could you get the bass player to re-record the bassline? Just delete
>> the old track and mix in the new one.
>
>Ehm, you did read and understand the following words in the original
>posting?!
>
>>> once in a lifetime performance
>
>Have you ever heard, that some performances result out of specific
>situations and feelings, which can´t be easily "re-created". So overdubbing
>might capture the right notes, but certainly not the original feeling of the
>live performance...

Since the OP is already contemplating (and posters are encouraging)
extensive processing tricks to "save" the bass guitar track, then I'd
say the "purity" of this brilliant performance is already being set up
for compromise.

As such, rather than craft the ultra-****ty bass sound into a mere
slightly-****ty bass sound, I would thank my lucky stars that the only
crappy track was the bass. Of all the elements in a live performance,
bass is the least likely to be signature. I'd re-record the track.

You can probably re-capture the ambience of the original performance
by loading up the bass player with a few beers and a one-hit of
Turkish hash. Wait ten minutes. Then plug him in and have him play
along to the original tracks until he's fully "in the groove". Once
he's groovy again, arm the track and record. Problem solved.

- TR

[Geoff]

VainGlorious wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:35:33 +0100, "Philipp Wachtel"

>
> Since the OP is already contemplating (and posters are encouraging)
> extensive processing tricks to "save" the bass guitar track, then I'd
> say the "purity" of this brilliant performance is already being set up
> for compromise.

Maybe it' just that "performance of a lifetime that got fluffed..."

geoff

[Les Cargill]

Geoff wrote:
> VainGlorious wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:35:33 +0100, "Philipp Wachtel"
>
>
>>Since the OP is already contemplating (and posters are encouraging)
>>extensive processing tricks to "save" the bass guitar track, then I'd
>>say the "purity" of this brilliant performance is already being set up
>>for compromise.
>
>
> Maybe it' just that "performance of a lifetime that got fluffed..."
>
> geoff
>
>
And I quote... "Same as ir ever was... same as it ever was... "

--Les Cargu;l

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If mixing various bleeds, it might help to time compensate them in the
DAW.

A compressor/limiter can kill some of the transcients form the drum
mics as well, but I wouldn't expect miracles...