Barbirolli English String Music

[MiNe 109]

RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon

Fantasia on Greensleeves (Track 8)

Computer system: iMac; Yamaha CAVIT (USB); NHT Pro A-10 monitor system

The computer disc drive is too noisy for best results. Noises, page
turns and the like easily audible. Warm orchestral perspective, lotso'
interesting timbres such as harp plucks, flute solos, and

Played back as an iTunes file at 320 kbps, more apparent tape hiss,
coarsening of timbres, brightness of the string fz before "Darling Joan"
at about 1:40 has an odd harmonic quality distinct from the
undifferentiated brightness of the cd-drive hearing. Final fade-out lost
in the opening of "Fat Bottomed Girls" by Queen, as selected by iTunes.

AMC CD8 as disc player. Cleaner background, hiss more in background,
perspective more to left, longer sustain leading to better harmonic
sense of the harp, distant perspective and smooth string attacks leading
to a sense of lack of bite, better top to bottom balance blend in strings

Arcam/NAD/Quads Interesting! Coarse tape hiss (No Noise or equivalent?),
centered image, unobjectionable spotlight quality on solos, improvement
in clarity over NHT system.

Okay, off the top of my head with no scientific claims. Just to get
y'all started: String tone's "biteless" quality is heard in real string
sections, so likely not a result of too-distant mikes. Troubles spots at
1:40 and 2:20 (glare). Good pluck, good flute representation.

The real test is the first track with string quartet and orchestra.

Stephen

[Jenn]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
> Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon
>
> Fantasia on Greensleeves (Track 8)
>
> Computer system: iMac; Yamaha CAVIT (USB); NHT Pro A-10 monitor system
>
> The computer disc drive is too noisy for best results. Noises, page
> turns and the like easily audible. Warm orchestral perspective, lotso'
> interesting timbres such as harp plucks, flute solos, and
>
> Played back as an iTunes file at 320 kbps, more apparent tape hiss,
> coarsening of timbres, brightness of the string fz before "Darling Joan"
> at about 1:40 has an odd harmonic quality distinct from the
> undifferentiated brightness of the cd-drive hearing. Final fade-out lost
> in the opening of "Fat Bottomed Girls" by Queen, as selected by iTunes.

You can change this, of course.

>
> AMC CD8 as disc player. Cleaner background, hiss more in background,
> perspective more to left, longer sustain leading to better harmonic
> sense of the harp, distant perspective and smooth string attacks leading
> to a sense of lack of bite, better top to bottom balance blend in strings
>
> Arcam/NAD/Quads Interesting! Coarse tape hiss (No Noise or equivalent?),
> centered image, unobjectionable spotlight quality on solos, improvement
> in clarity over NHT system.
>
> Okay, off the top of my head with no scientific claims. Just to get
> y'all started: String tone's "biteless" quality is heard in real string
> sections, so likely not a result of too-distant mikes. Troubles spots at
> 1:40 and 2:20 (glare). Good pluck, good flute representation.
>
> The real test is the first track with string quartet and orchestra.
>
> Stephen

Very interesting Stephen; thanks. I don't have the CD, but your post
prompts me to listen to the LP again tonight.

I wonder what Arny's favorite music on this disc is and why.

[MiNe 109]

In article

om>,
Jenn > wrote:

> In article >,
> MiNe 109 > wrote:
>
> > RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
> > Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon
> >
> > Fantasia on Greensleeves (Track 8)
> >
> > Computer system: iMac; Yamaha CAVIT (USB); NHT Pro A-10 monitor system
> >
> > The computer disc drive is too noisy for best results. Noises, page
> > turns and the like easily audible. Warm orchestral perspective, lotso'
> > interesting timbres such as harp plucks, flute solos, and
> >
> > Played back as an iTunes file at 320 kbps, more apparent tape hiss,
> > coarsening of timbres, brightness of the string fz before "Darling Joan"
> > at about 1:40 has an odd harmonic quality distinct from the
> > undifferentiated brightness of the cd-drive hearing. Final fade-out lost
> > in the opening of "Fat Bottomed Girls" by Queen, as selected by iTunes.
>
> You can change this, of course.

I don't use iTunes that much, but, yes. It does have an eq, so maybe
Arny can recommend some eq points to help with that glare.

> > AMC CD8 as disc player. Cleaner background, hiss more in background,
> > perspective more to left, longer sustain leading to better harmonic
> > sense of the harp, distant perspective and smooth string attacks leading
> > to a sense of lack of bite, better top to bottom balance blend in strings
> >
> > Arcam/NAD/Quads Interesting! Coarse tape hiss (No Noise or equivalent?),
> > centered image, unobjectionable spotlight quality on solos, improvement
> > in clarity over NHT system.
> >
> > Okay, off the top of my head with no scientific claims. Just to get
> > y'all started: String tone's "biteless" quality is heard in real string
> > sections, so likely not a result of too-distant mikes. Troubles spots at
> > 1:40 and 2:20 (glare). Good pluck, good flute representation.
> >
> > The real test is the first track with string quartet and orchestra.
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Very interesting Stephen; thanks. I don't have the CD, but your post
> prompts me to listen to the LP again tonight.
>
> I wonder what Arny's favorite music on this disc is and why.

Probably pondering the difference between Lady Greensleeves and Lovely
Joan leads him to prefer the Fantasia.

I don't know who "Darling Joan" is. Best to forget about her altogether.

Stephen

[Jenn]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> om>,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >
> > > RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
> > > Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon
> > >
> > > Fantasia on Greensleeves (Track 8)
> > >
> > > Computer system: iMac; Yamaha CAVIT (USB); NHT Pro A-10 monitor system
> > >
> > > The computer disc drive is too noisy for best results. Noises, page
> > > turns and the like easily audible. Warm orchestral perspective, lotso'
> > > interesting timbres such as harp plucks, flute solos, and
> > >
> > > Played back as an iTunes file at 320 kbps, more apparent tape hiss,
> > > coarsening of timbres, brightness of the string fz before "Darling Joan"
> > > at about 1:40 has an odd harmonic quality distinct from the
> > > undifferentiated brightness of the cd-drive hearing. Final fade-out lost
> > > in the opening of "Fat Bottomed Girls" by Queen, as selected by iTunes.
> >
> > You can change this, of course.
>
> I don't use iTunes that much, but, yes. It does have an eq, so maybe
> Arny can recommend some eq points to help with that glare.

True, but what I meant was that the fade out bumping into Queen cna be
changed ;-)

>
> > > AMC CD8 as disc player. Cleaner background, hiss more in background,
> > > perspective more to left, longer sustain leading to better harmonic
> > > sense of the harp, distant perspective and smooth string attacks leading
> > > to a sense of lack of bite, better top to bottom balance blend in strings
> > >
> > > Arcam/NAD/Quads Interesting! Coarse tape hiss (No Noise or equivalent?),
> > > centered image, unobjectionable spotlight quality on solos, improvement
> > > in clarity over NHT system.
> > >
> > > Okay, off the top of my head with no scientific claims. Just to get
> > > y'all started: String tone's "biteless" quality is heard in real string
> > > sections, so likely not a result of too-distant mikes. Troubles spots at
> > > 1:40 and 2:20 (glare). Good pluck, good flute representation.
> > >
> > > The real test is the first track with string quartet and orchestra.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> >
> > Very interesting Stephen; thanks. I don't have the CD, but your post
> > prompts me to listen to the LP again tonight.
> >
> > I wonder what Arny's favorite music on this disc is and why.
>
> Probably pondering the difference between Lady Greensleeves and Lovely
> Joan leads him to prefer the Fantasia.
>
> I don't know who "Darling Joan" is. Best to forget about her altogether.

lol I have a great folk song reference at work; I'll check tomorrow.
Questions like this drive me nutters.

[MiNe 109]

In article

om>,
Jenn > wrote:

> In article >,
> MiNe 109 > wrote:
>
> > In article
> >
> > om>,
> > Jenn > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > >
> > > > RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
> > > > Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon
> > > >
> > > > Fantasia on Greensleeves (Track 8)
> > > >
> > > > Computer system: iMac; Yamaha CAVIT (USB); NHT Pro A-10 monitor system
> > > >
> > > > The computer disc drive is too noisy for best results. Noises, page
> > > > turns and the like easily audible. Warm orchestral perspective, lotso'
> > > > interesting timbres such as harp plucks, flute solos, and
> > > >
> > > > Played back as an iTunes file at 320 kbps, more apparent tape hiss,
> > > > coarsening of timbres, brightness of the string fz before "Darling
> > > > Joan"
> > > > at about 1:40 has an odd harmonic quality distinct from the
> > > > undifferentiated brightness of the cd-drive hearing. Final fade-out
> > > > lost
> > > > in the opening of "Fat Bottomed Girls" by Queen, as selected by iTunes.
> > >
> > > You can change this, of course.
> >
> > I don't use iTunes that much, but, yes. It does have an eq, so maybe
> > Arny can recommend some eq points to help with that glare.
>
> True, but what I meant was that the fade out bumping into Queen cna be
> changed ;-)

That's the rmcr infamous gapless setting. BTW, pop is often mastered at
a higher average level than clasical. :-)

> > > > AMC CD8 as disc player. Cleaner background, hiss more in background,
> > > > perspective more to left, longer sustain leading to better harmonic
> > > > sense of the harp, distant perspective and smooth string attacks
> > > > leading
> > > > to a sense of lack of bite, better top to bottom balance blend in
> > > > strings
> > > >
> > > > Arcam/NAD/Quads Interesting! Coarse tape hiss (No Noise or
> > > > equivalent?),
> > > > centered image, unobjectionable spotlight quality on solos, improvement
> > > > in clarity over NHT system.
> > > >
> > > > Okay, off the top of my head with no scientific claims. Just to get
> > > > y'all started: String tone's "biteless" quality is heard in real string
> > > > sections, so likely not a result of too-distant mikes. Troubles spots
> > > > at
> > > > 1:40 and 2:20 (glare). Good pluck, good flute representation.
> > > >
> > > > The real test is the first track with string quartet and orchestra.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen
> > >
> > > Very interesting Stephen; thanks. I don't have the CD, but your post
> > > prompts me to listen to the LP again tonight.
> > >
> > > I wonder what Arny's favorite music on this disc is and why.
> >
> > Probably pondering the difference between Lady Greensleeves and Lovely
> > Joan leads him to prefer the Fantasia.
> >
> > I don't know who "Darling Joan" is. Best to forget about her altogether.
>
> lol I have a great folk song reference at work; I'll check tomorrow.
> Questions like this drive me nutters.

Easier to do if you don't make up synonyms for "Lovely Joan" like I did!

Stephen

[Jenn]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> om>,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > >
> > > om>,
> > > Jenn > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article >,
> > > > MiNe 109 > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
> > > > > Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon
> > > > >
> > > > > Fantasia on Greensleeves (Track 8)
> > > > >
> > > > > Computer system: iMac; Yamaha CAVIT (USB); NHT Pro A-10 monitor
> > > > > system
> > > > >
> > > > > The computer disc drive is too noisy for best results. Noises, page
> > > > > turns and the like easily audible. Warm orchestral perspective,
> > > > > lotso'
> > > > > interesting timbres such as harp plucks, flute solos, and
> > > > >
> > > > > Played back as an iTunes file at 320 kbps, more apparent tape hiss,
> > > > > coarsening of timbres, brightness of the string fz before "Darling
> > > > > Joan"
> > > > > at about 1:40 has an odd harmonic quality distinct from the
> > > > > undifferentiated brightness of the cd-drive hearing. Final fade-out
> > > > > lost
> > > > > in the opening of "Fat Bottomed Girls" by Queen, as selected by
> > > > > iTunes.
> > > >
> > > > You can change this, of course.
> > >
> > > I don't use iTunes that much, but, yes. It does have an eq, so maybe
> > > Arny can recommend some eq points to help with that glare.
> >
> > True, but what I meant was that the fade out bumping into Queen cna be
> > changed ;-)
>
> That's the rmcr infamous gapless setting. BTW, pop is often mastered at
> a higher average level than clasical. :-)
>
> > > > > AMC CD8 as disc player. Cleaner background, hiss more in background,
> > > > > perspective more to left, longer sustain leading to better harmonic
> > > > > sense of the harp, distant perspective and smooth string attacks
> > > > > leading
> > > > > to a sense of lack of bite, better top to bottom balance blend in
> > > > > strings
> > > > >
> > > > > Arcam/NAD/Quads Interesting! Coarse tape hiss (No Noise or
> > > > > equivalent?),
> > > > > centered image, unobjectionable spotlight quality on solos,
> > > > > improvement
> > > > > in clarity over NHT system.
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, off the top of my head with no scientific claims. Just to get
> > > > > y'all started: String tone's "biteless" quality is heard in real
> > > > > string
> > > > > sections, so likely not a result of too-distant mikes. Troubles spots
> > > > > at
> > > > > 1:40 and 2:20 (glare). Good pluck, good flute representation.
> > > > >
> > > > > The real test is the first track with string quartet and orchestra.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen
> > > >
> > > > Very interesting Stephen; thanks. I don't have the CD, but your post
> > > > prompts me to listen to the LP again tonight.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder what Arny's favorite music on this disc is and why.
> > >
> > > Probably pondering the difference between Lady Greensleeves and Lovely
> > > Joan leads him to prefer the Fantasia.
> > >
> > > I don't know who "Darling Joan" is. Best to forget about her altogether.
> >
> > lol I have a great folk song reference at work; I'll check tomorrow.
> > Questions like this drive me nutters.
>
> Easier to do if you don't make up synonyms for "Lovely Joan" like I did!
>
> Stephen

http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiSWTJOAN4;ttSWTJOAN4.html

[Norman M. Schwartz]

"MiNe 109" > wrote in message
...
> RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
> Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon
>

Have you bothered to check out Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Fantasia-Thomas-Tallis/dp/B00004R95R/sr=11-1/qid=1162913848/ref=sr_11_1/104-2510888-7962301

Available from Amazon.com for $7.99 and from sellers for $5.00 (used).
Are these "collectors prices"?

> Fantasia on Greensleeves (Track 8)
>
> Computer system: iMac; Yamaha CAVIT (USB); NHT Pro A-10 monitor system
>
> The computer disc drive is too noisy for best results. Noises, page
> turns and the like easily audible. Warm orchestral perspective, lotso'
> interesting timbres such as harp plucks, flute solos, and
>
> Played back as an iTunes file at 320 kbps, more apparent tape hiss,
> coarsening of timbres, brightness of the string fz before "Darling Joan"
> at about 1:40 has an odd harmonic quality distinct from the
> undifferentiated brightness of the cd-drive hearing. Final fade-out lost
> in the opening of "Fat Bottomed Girls" by Queen, as selected by iTunes.
>
> AMC CD8 as disc player. Cleaner background, hiss more in background,
> perspective more to left, longer sustain leading to better harmonic
> sense of the harp, distant perspective and smooth string attacks leading
> to a sense of lack of bite, better top to bottom balance blend in strings
>
> Arcam/NAD/Quads Interesting! Coarse tape hiss (No Noise or equivalent?),
> centered image, unobjectionable spotlight quality on solos, improvement
> in clarity over NHT system.
>
> Okay, off the top of my head with no scientific claims. Just to get
> y'all started: String tone's "biteless" quality is heard in real string
> sections, so likely not a result of too-distant mikes. Troubles spots at
> 1:40 and 2:20 (glare). Good pluck, good flute representation.
>
> The real test is the first track with string quartet and orchestra.
>
> Stephen

[MiNe 109]

In article

om>,
Jenn > wrote:

> http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiSWTJOAN4;ttSWTJOAN4.html

Thanks! Slightly different from the version I'd found that I assume was
collected during RVW times. Nice contrast from the idealized Lady
Greensleeves, Lovely Joan.

Stephen

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
"Norman M. Schwartz" > wrote:

>
> "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
> > Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon
> >
>
> Have you bothered to check out Amazon?

Steady there, partner! Yes, that's why I said Amazon. You will note the
question mark in parentheses indicating my doubt of the result I found.

> http://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Fantasia-Thomas-Tallis/dp/B00004R95R/sr
> =11-1/qid=1162913848/ref=sr_11_1/104-2510888-7962301
>
> Available from Amazon.com for $7.99 and from sellers for $5.00 (used).
> Are these "collectors prices"?

http://www.amazon.com/Barbirolli-Concucts-English-String-Music/dp/B000005
GHV

Ignore the typo. $28.99 and up is definitely "collectors prices."

I was surprised not to find the listings you found, but had an
appointment and didn't have time to check further. Indeed, I recommended
this cd in the past in part because it was available at mid-price.

Stephen

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Norman M. Schwartz" > wrote:
>
> >
> > "MiNe 109" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > RVW Fantasia on 'Greensleeves' EMI Classics GROC 9 67264 2
> > > Currently out of print (?), but drawing collectors prices on Amazon
> > >
> >
> > Have you bothered to check out Amazon?
>
> Steady there, partner! Yes, that's why I said Amazon. You will note the
> question mark in parentheses indicating my doubt of the result I found.
>
> > http://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-Williams-Fantasia-Thomas-Tallis/dp/B00004R95R/
> > sr
> > =11-1/qid=1162913848/ref=sr_11_1/104-2510888-7962301
> >
> > Available from Amazon.com for $7.99 and from sellers for $5.00 (used).
> > Are these "collectors prices"?
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Barbirolli-Concucts-English-String-Music/dp/B000005
> GHV
>
> Ignore the typo. $28.99 and up is definitely "collectors prices."
>
> I was surprised not to find the listings you found, but had an
> appointment and didn't have time to check further. Indeed, I recommended
> this cd in the past in part because it was available at mid-price.

Norman, are you there?

Stephen