Question To All Alpine 9853 Owners.....

[MOSFET]

Dzeq and I have been hashing this out, but I'm curious to hear from others.

We can't seem to get our 9853's subwoofer output to change from stereo (the
default setting) to mono.

According to the instruction manual, we are supposed to hit MENU, the SETUP,
then AUDIO. In the AUDIO mode one of the choices should be SUBW CH. This
setting determines whether the subwoofer outputs are stereo or mono. But on
both Dzeq's and my 9853, there is no SUBW CH setting under the AUDIO menu!!

Everything else is as it should be according to the manual, but this one
thing seems to be missing. I got around the issue by simply combining both
channels (with a Y adaptor) and running that into my sub amp. It seems to
work fine.

But has anyone else run into this? Is the SUBW CH setting located somewhere
else other than where the manual says it should be (there are TONS of nested
menus in the 9853)? Are there some folks who have the 9853 and HAVE the
SUBW CH setting?

Just curious.

MOSFET

[The Lull]

I don't have a 9853, but I'm going to take a stab in the dark at this
one.

Someone else a while back asked a question similar to this one, and
upon looking at the instruction manual I found a small section on what
seemed to be a completely unrelated topic that answered the question.
I want to say this was on a Blaupunkt. There was some sort of mode
that you could be enter (something like bass boost) that apparently
disabled the subwoofer level menu... When reading the manual, it
didn't say anything about this in the section about the subwoofer level
menu section - I simply happened upon the information in the other
section.

That may not help, but I like to tell stories...

~The Lull
MOSFET wrote:
> Dzeq and I have been hashing this out, but I'm curious to hear from others.
>
> We can't seem to get our 9853's subwoofer output to change from stereo (the
> default setting) to mono.
>
> According to the instruction manual, we are supposed to hit MENU, the SETUP,
> then AUDIO. In the AUDIO mode one of the choices should be SUBW CH. This
> setting determines whether the subwoofer outputs are stereo or mono. But on
> both Dzeq's and my 9853, there is no SUBW CH setting under the AUDIO menu!!
>
> Everything else is as it should be according to the manual, but this one
> thing seems to be missing. I got around the issue by simply combining both
> channels (with a Y adaptor) and running that into my sub amp. It seems to
> work fine.
>
> But has anyone else run into this? Is the SUBW CH setting located somewhere
> else other than where the manual says it should be (there are TONS of nested
> menus in the 9853)? Are there some folks who have the 9853 and HAVE the
> SUBW CH setting?
>
> Just curious.
>
> MOSFET

[MOSFET]

Thanks Lull, I'll check it out.

I think you're saying that I may have some type of mode engaged (like a bass
boost) that is somehow disabling some other functions (like my SUBW CH
function). I'm a little doubtful that it's a bass-boost, but perhaps it's
some other function. I do follow your logic, though, and will explore
similar functions that may be disabling my SUBW CH. Thanks for the input!!

MOSFET

"The Lull" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I don't have a 9853, but I'm going to take a stab in the dark at this
> one.
>
> Someone else a while back asked a question similar to this one, and
> upon looking at the instruction manual I found a small section on what
> seemed to be a completely unrelated topic that answered the question.
> I want to say this was on a Blaupunkt. There was some sort of mode
> that you could be enter (something like bass boost) that apparently
> disabled the subwoofer level menu... When reading the manual, it
> didn't say anything about this in the section about the subwoofer level
> menu section - I simply happened upon the information in the other
> section.
>
> That may not help, but I like to tell stories...
>
> ~The Lull
> MOSFET wrote:
> > Dzeq and I have been hashing this out, but I'm curious to hear from
others.
> >
> > We can't seem to get our 9853's subwoofer output to change from stereo
(the
> > default setting) to mono.
> >
> > According to the instruction manual, we are supposed to hit MENU, the
SETUP,
> > then AUDIO. In the AUDIO mode one of the choices should be SUBW CH.
This
> > setting determines whether the subwoofer outputs are stereo or mono.
But on
> > both Dzeq's and my 9853, there is no SUBW CH setting under the AUDIO
menu!!
> >
> > Everything else is as it should be according to the manual, but this one
> > thing seems to be missing. I got around the issue by simply combining
both
> > channels (with a Y adaptor) and running that into my sub amp. It seems
to
> > work fine.
> >
> > But has anyone else run into this? Is the SUBW CH setting located
somewhere
> > else other than where the manual says it should be (there are TONS of
nested
> > menus in the 9853)? Are there some folks who have the 9853 and HAVE the
> > SUBW CH setting?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > MOSFET
>

[The Lull]

Hey, if it helps, GREAT!

If not, uhhhhh.......
My, um, little brother got onto the PC, yeah! And he, like, posted in
my name - or something...

~The Lull
MOSFET wrote:
> Thanks Lull, I'll check it out.
>
> I think you're saying that I may have some type of mode engaged (like a bass
> boost) that is somehow disabling some other functions (like my SUBW CH
> function). I'm a little doubtful that it's a bass-boost, but perhaps it's
> some other function. I do follow your logic, though, and will explore
> similar functions that may be disabling my SUBW CH. Thanks for the input!!
>
> MOSFET
>
> "The Lull" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > I don't have a 9853, but I'm going to take a stab in the dark at this
> > one.
> >
> > Someone else a while back asked a question similar to this one, and
> > upon looking at the instruction manual I found a small section on what
> > seemed to be a completely unrelated topic that answered the question.
> > I want to say this was on a Blaupunkt. There was some sort of mode
> > that you could be enter (something like bass boost) that apparently
> > disabled the subwoofer level menu... When reading the manual, it
> > didn't say anything about this in the section about the subwoofer level
> > menu section - I simply happened upon the information in the other
> > section.
> >
> > That may not help, but I like to tell stories...
> >
> > ~The Lull
> > MOSFET wrote:
> > > Dzeq and I have been hashing this out, but I'm curious to hear from
> others.
> > >
> > > We can't seem to get our 9853's subwoofer output to change from stereo
> (the
> > > default setting) to mono.
> > >
> > > According to the instruction manual, we are supposed to hit MENU, the
> SETUP,
> > > then AUDIO. In the AUDIO mode one of the choices should be SUBW CH.
> This
> > > setting determines whether the subwoofer outputs are stereo or mono.
> But on
> > > both Dzeq's and my 9853, there is no SUBW CH setting under the AUDIO
> menu!!
> > >
> > > Everything else is as it should be according to the manual, but this one
> > > thing seems to be missing. I got around the issue by simply combining
> both
> > > channels (with a Y adaptor) and running that into my sub amp. It seems
> to
> > > work fine.
> > >
> > > But has anyone else run into this? Is the SUBW CH setting located
> somewhere
> > > else other than where the manual says it should be (there are TONS of
> nested
> > > menus in the 9853)? Are there some folks who have the 9853 and HAVE the
> > > SUBW CH setting?
> > >
> > > Just curious.
> > >
> > > MOSFET
> >

[Captain_Howdy]

Is Alpine's tech support line out of service?


In article >, "MOSFET"
> wrote:
>Dzeq and I have been hashing this out, but I'm curious to hear from others.
>
>We can't seem to get our 9853's subwoofer output to change from stereo (the
>default setting) to mono.
>
>According to the instruction manual, we are supposed to hit MENU, the SETUP,
>then AUDIO. In the AUDIO mode one of the choices should be SUBW CH. This
>setting determines whether the subwoofer outputs are stereo or mono. But on
>both Dzeq's and my 9853, there is no SUBW CH setting under the AUDIO menu!!
>
>Everything else is as it should be according to the manual, but this one
>thing seems to be missing. I got around the issue by simply combining both
>channels (with a Y adaptor) and running that into my sub amp. It seems to
>work fine.
>
>But has anyone else run into this? Is the SUBW CH setting located somewhere
>else other than where the manual says it should be (there are TONS of nested
>menus in the 9853)? Are there some folks who have the 9853 and HAVE the
>SUBW CH setting?
>
>Just curious.
>
>MOSFET
>
>

[Eric Desrochers]

Do you have a button labeled F on the faceplate? My Alpine 9815 have
this Function button and the setting you mention is in there.

--
Eric (Dero) Desrochers
http://homepage.mac.com/dero72

Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95

[MOSFET]

> Do you have a button labeled F on the faceplate? My Alpine 9815 have
> this Function button and the setting you mention is in there.
>
Thanks, but no. I do HAVE the owners manual and everything and I am
following it to the letter. I know you are just trying to help, but these
are completely different in their operation. There is no F button but there
is a MENU button that opens up a set of menus, and those menus open up yet
another set of sub-menus and then those sub-menus open up another set of
sub-menus.....

MOSFET

MOSFET

[MOSFET]

Actually, Eric, I just noticed that my 9853 DOES have a FUNCTION button (it
says "function", not "F") but that is typically used for other "functions".

But hell, I'll try anything. I'll go to that sub-menu option that SHOULD
have SUBW CH (by hitting MENU, then SETUP, then AUDIO) and then I will try
hitting the FUNCTION button. That is NOT what is recommened in the manual,
but WHAT THE HELL? Can't hurt anything and I've never tried it.

Thanks,

MOSFET

"Eric Desrochers" > wrote in message
...
> Do you have a button labeled F on the faceplate? My Alpine 9815 have
> this Function button and the setting you mention is in there.
>
> --
> Eric (Dero) Desrochers
> http://homepage.mac.com/dero72
>
> Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95

[MOSFET]

Thanks I. Care, but I have all that in my owner's manual. And yes, my
subwoofer is in the "On" setting.

*************************************

AUDIO
SUBWOOFER . SUBW CH . SUBW SYSTEM*5 .
EQ MODE*6 . TW SETUP*7 . AP SELECT

*************************************

Note the NOTE *5 that it will only display when subwoofer is ON


Also, it is the SUBW CH that is missing. The "SUBW SYSTEM" is there because
my subwoofer is "ON". That isn't the problem, it's that it won't display
the "SUBW CH" (that's what determines whether your sub output is stereo or
mono). It's missing from that list when I get to that menu, yet all those
other choices are there in exactly that order. I have read the owner's
manual frontwards and backwards trying to find some reference as to why it
wouldn't be displayed but I REALLY DO think it is a flaw.

Thanks for the help though!! You really DO CARE (yuk yuk).

MOSFET

[MOSFET]

AUDIO
SUBWOOFER . SUBW CH . SUBW SYSTEM*5 .
EQ MODE*6 . TW SETUP*7 . AP SELECT

Oh, and BTW, just in case you are wondering what SUBW SYSTEM is, it's really
kind of funky. If you hit that option you are given two choices: SUBW
SYSTEM ONE or TWO. One has the subwoofer changing in volume exactly as the
main volume level changes. SUBW SYSTEM TWO has the subwoofer louder when
the main volume level is low and then tapers off as the main volume level
gets higher (kind of like a loudness control). I don't like it engaged at
all, I always have it on ONE where the sub volume is in direct proportion
to the main volume.

MOSFET

[Daniel W. Rouse Jr.]

"MOSFET" > wrote in message
m...
> Dzeq and I have been hashing this out, but I'm curious to hear from
others.
>
> We can't seem to get our 9853's subwoofer output to change from stereo
(the
> default setting) to mono.
>
> According to the instruction manual, we are supposed to hit MENU, the
SETUP,
> then AUDIO. In the AUDIO mode one of the choices should be SUBW CH. This
> setting determines whether the subwoofer outputs are stereo or mono. But
on
> both Dzeq's and my 9853, there is no SUBW CH setting under the AUDIO
menu!!
>
[snip...]

So I don't own this deck, but what happens if you hold down one of the
buttons?

The reason I suggest this is because on my Pioneer DEH-P3800MP deck, I have
to hold down Audio to access the parametric equalizer, and hold down the
power on/source switch knob with the power off to access the initial
settings menu (clock set, R-SP: FUL or S/W).

(I'm also aware that Pioneer doesn't make Alpine decks, but if pressing
buttons doesn't help, maybe holding a button down may accomplish something.)

[MOSFET]

> (I'm also aware that Pioneer doesn't make Alpine decks, but if pressing
> buttons doesn't help, maybe holding a button down may accomplish
something.)
>
Not a bad idea (holding down the Audio button). I'll give it a shot.
Anything's worth a try.

Thanks!!

MOSFET

[Eric Desrochers]

Hi! I realize they are different models, seperated by a few yars, but
sometimes manufacturers keeps some things constant in their products...

On a related note, several sub amps have two RCA inputs and combine to
mono internally. So the HU setting have no bearing on the final sound,
unless you want to use single, mono RCA cable?

--
Eric (Dero) Desrochers
http://homepage.mac.com/dero72

Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95

[MOSFET]

> On a related note, several sub amps have two RCA inputs and combine to
> mono internally.


Yes, and I wish that were the case with my sub amp, an "old-school"
Soundstream Reference 700.

Unfortunately, the way this amp works is that when you switch it to single
channel operation "bridged-mode" (there is a switch underneath the amp that
MUST be engaged for bridged mode) it accepts an input from only ONE RCA
JACK.

So if I were to just plug in my subwoofer output jacks from my Alpine to my
subwoofer amp (both left and right), the Soundstream amp would ONLY amplify
(and send to my subs) the signal from the right channel, it would simply do
nothing with the left. So I'm forced to combine the left and right channels
BEFORE I send them to the amplifier.

MOSFET

[Jim]

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:32:37 -0700, "MOSFET" >
wrote:

>Dzeq and I have been hashing this out, but I'm curious to hear from others.
>
>We can't seem to get our 9853's subwoofer output to change from stereo (the
>default setting) to mono.
>
>According to the instruction manual, we are supposed to hit MENU, the SETUP,
>then AUDIO. In the AUDIO mode one of the choices should be SUBW CH. This
>setting determines whether the subwoofer outputs are stereo or mono. But on
>both Dzeq's and my 9853, there is no SUBW CH setting under the AUDIO menu!!
>
>Everything else is as it should be according to the manual, but this one
>thing seems to be missing. I got around the issue by simply combining both
>channels (with a Y adaptor) and running that into my sub amp. It seems to
>work fine.
>
>But has anyone else run into this? Is the SUBW CH setting located somewhere
>else other than where the manual says it should be (there are TONS of nested
>menus in the 9853)? Are there some folks who have the 9853 and HAVE the
>SUBW CH setting?
>
>Just curious.
>
>MOSFET
>


If you download the manual from Alpine, there's a "Corrections to
Manual" section that says:

"Pages 27 and 28, SETUP, step 4

CDA-9855:
AUDIO
SUBWOOFER <> SUBW SYSTEM <> EQ MODE <> TWSETUP <> A. PROC TYPE <>
SUBWOOFER

CDA-9853:
AUDIO
SUBWOOFER <> SUBW SYSTEM <> EQ MODE <> TWSETUP <> AP SELECT

Page 29, Setting the Subwoofer Output
Though "Setting the Subwoofer Output" is described inthe SETUP
section, the unit is not equipped with this setting."

My 9855 came with a card in the documentation with these "Corrections
To Manual".

I remember hunting around for that setting for a while when I first
bought it.