New Quads

[Mr Fox]

The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
Mr Fox > wrote:

> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
> planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?

I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
is what I read in the brochure.

Stephen

[Mr Fox]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:06:14 GMT, MiNe 109
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Mr Fox > wrote:
>
>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
>> planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?
>
>I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
>is what I read in the brochure.
>
>Stephen

The are supposed to have better bass.

[MiNe 109]

In article >,
Mr Fox > wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:06:14 GMT, MiNe 109
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Mr Fox > wrote:
> >
> >> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
> >> planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?
> >
> >I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
> >is what I read in the brochure.
> >
> >Stephen
>
> The are supposed to have better bass.

Possible! I like the idea of a brace for the "cabinet" Quads aren't
supposed to have.

Stephen

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MiNe 109 wrote:
> In article >,
> Mr Fox > wrote:
>
> > The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
> > planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?
>
> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
> is what I read in the brochure.

The structure around the drivers is much more solid and well-built,
mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.

I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I still had a
pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm
more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.

Boon

[MiNe 109]

In article . com>,
wrote:

> MiNe 109 wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Mr Fox > wrote:
> >
> > > The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
> > > planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?
> >
> > I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
> > is what I read in the brochure.
>
> The structure around the drivers is much more solid and well-built,
> mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
>
> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I still had a
> pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm
> more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.

You'd need one of those 30 watt monster amps!

Better structure can't be bad. Mine make all manner of flimsy rattling
sounds when struck lightly.

Stephen

[Mr Fox]

On 2 Oct 2006 15:41:30 -0700, wrote:

>
>MiNe 109 wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Mr Fox > wrote:
>>
>> > The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
>> > planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?
>>
>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
>> is what I read in the brochure.
>
>The structure around the drivers is much more solid and well-built,
>mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
>
>I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I still had a
>pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm
>more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
>Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
>
>Boon


Is there something about the SET amp that makes the choice of speaker
secondary for you? (I have yet to hear one.)

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MiNe 109 wrote:
> In article . com>,
> wrote:
>
> > MiNe 109 wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > Mr Fox > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
> > > > planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?
> > >
> > > I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
> > > is what I read in the brochure.
> >
> > The structure around the drivers is much more solid and well-built,
> > mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
> >
> > I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I still had a
> > pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm
> > more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> > Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
>
> You'd need one of those 30 watt monster amps!
>
> Better structure can't be bad. Mine make all manner of flimsy rattling
> sounds when struck lightly.
>
> Stephen

And they look much, much better. Never underestimate the importance of
that!

Boon

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Mr Fox wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2006 15:41:30 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >MiNe 109 wrote:
> >> In article >,
> >> Mr Fox > wrote:
> >>
> >> > The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
> >> > planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?
> >>
> >> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
> >> is what I read in the brochure.
> >
> >The structure around the drivers is much more solid and well-built,
> >mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
> >
> >I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I still had a
> >pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm
> >more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> >Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
> >
> >Boon
>
>
> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the choice of speaker
> secondary for you? (I have yet to hear one.)

It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I actually bought
the Yamamotos because I already had the Zu Druids, and I was told by
Sean Casey, the designer of the Druids, that this was his favorite
match. So I checked it out myself and agreed.

Boon

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Bret Ludwig wrote:
> wrote:
> > MiNe 109 wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > Mr Fox > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews. So who is
> > > > planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a pair already?
> > >
> > > I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old' Quads! but all I know
> > > is what I read in the brochure.
> >
> > The structure around the drivers is much more solid and well-built,
> > mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
> >
> > I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I still had a
> > pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm
> > more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> > Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
>
>
> I'd get rid of the training amps and buy real ones. SET's only legit
> purpose is as a beginner DIY project. Like a training bra for girls.

So you've auditioned the Yamamoto Sound Craft A-08S with a pair of Zu
Cable Druid mk. IVs in the comfort of you own home and came to this
conclusion?

Boon

[Mr Fox]

On 3 Oct 2006 08:09:32 -0700, wrote:

>
>>
>>
>> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the choice of speaker
>> secondary for you? (I have yet to hear one.)
>
>It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I actually bought
>the Yamamotos because I already had the Zu Druids, and I was told by
>Sean Casey, the designer of the Druids, that this was his favorite
>match. So I checked it out myself and agreed.

OK- I understand.

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 08:11:21 -0700, wrote:
>
> >> > I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I still had a
> >> > pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm
> >> > more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> >> > Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd get rid of the training amps and buy real ones. SET's only legit
> >> purpose is as a beginner DIY project. Like a training bra for girls.
> >
> >So you've auditioned the Yamamoto Sound Craft A-08S with a pair of Zu
> >Cable Druid mk. IVs in the comfort of you own home and came to this
> >conclusion?
> >
>
> There are some things that we just don't need to do.
>
> I don't need to hit my pecker with a hammer to know it would be a bad
> idea.

Yeah, I heard that joke on "Mind of Mencia" last night, too.
Difference is, I didn't think it was that funny.

>
> SET amps are like that.

No, they're not. In fact, that's really, really stupid.

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 08:09:32 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the choice of speaker
> >> secondary for you? (I have yet to hear one.)
> >
> >It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I actually bought
> >the Yamamotos because I already had the Zu Druids, and I was told by
> >Sean Casey, the designer of the Druids, that this was his favorite
> >match. So I checked it out myself and agreed.
>
> That's that whole thing of trying to balance out your horribly colored
> amp with a speaker that will be oppositely colored.

What matters is the end result.

>
> Also, those amps hardly put out any more power than an iPod, so you
> need to buy speakers that approximate headphones.

The Druids are definitely not designed for nearfield listening.

>
> I bet Bose would be really good at making very resonant, efficient
> speakers. Maybe you SET guys should contact Bose?

I suppose you can live in whatever fantasy world you'd like. Of
course, I can always hear what they really sound like anytime I want.
You have to guess aloud on a Usenet newsgroup, and pretend you have
experience in these matters. Personally, I'd be too embarrassed to do
that, Internet geek. Kudos!

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2006 15:41:30 -0700, wrote:
>
> >more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
>
> I heard some Audio Note speakers and they made all recordings sound
> similar. They weren't at all what I'd call neutral.

Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
of your way to site facts.

Boon

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Mr Fox wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 08:09:32 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the choice of speaker
> >> secondary for you? (I have yet to hear one.)
> >
> >It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I actually bought
> >the Yamamotos because I already had the Zu Druids, and I was told by
> >Sean Casey, the designer of the Druids, that this was his favorite
> >match. So I checked it out myself and agreed.
>
> OK- I understand.

Maybe you can explain this to Krivis. He doesn't seem to understand
the concept of system synergy.

Boon

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wrote:

>
> Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
> of your way to site facts.

Whoops. Brain fart. I meant cite.

Boon

[George M. Middius]

Marc said:

> > SET amps are like that.

> No, they're not. In fact, that's really, really stupid.

Apparently, all Stewarts who post to RAO are stupid. This one even tops
Lord Drunkerton, though -- he actually admires the Krooborg. Just like
duh-Mikey does.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Jenn]

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
wrote:

> Marc said:
>
> > > SET amps are like that.
>
> > No, they're not. In fact, that's really, really stupid.
>
> Apparently, all Stewarts who post to RAO are stupid. This one even tops
> Lord Drunkerton, though -- he actually admires the Krooborg. Just like
> duh-Mikey does.

Where is Mikey lately?

[Mr Fox]

On 3 Oct 2006 16:42:18 -0700, wrote:

>
>Mr Fox wrote:
>> On 3 Oct 2006 08:09:32 -0700, wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the choice of speaker
>> >> secondary for you? (I have yet to hear one.)
>> >
>> >It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I actually bought
>> >the Yamamotos because I already had the Zu Druids, and I was told by
>> >Sean Casey, the designer of the Druids, that this was his favorite
>> >match. So I checked it out myself and agreed.
>>
>> OK- I understand.
>
>Maybe you can explain this to Krivis. He doesn't seem to understand
>the concept of system synergy.

My impression is that Mr Krivis will be resistant to explanations
which do not align with his preconceived notions about sound quality.

[ScottW]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On 2 Oct 2006 15:41:30 -0700, wrote:
>>
>> >more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
>>
>> I heard some Audio Note speakers and they made all recordings sound
>> similar. They weren't at all what I'd call neutral.
>
> Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
> of your way to site facts.

Hey Marc,
Arts in town...I e-mailed you at vinylanach@aol.
Anyway e-mail to see if we can get together.

ScottW

[paul packer]

On 3 Oct 2006 16:48:12 -0700, wrote:

>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
>> of your way to site facts.
>
>Whoops. Brain fart. I meant cite.


Are you too young for a senior's moment?

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ScottW wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 2 Oct 2006 15:41:30 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> >>
> >> I heard some Audio Note speakers and they made all recordings sound
> >> similar. They weren't at all what I'd call neutral.
> >
> > Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
> > of your way to site facts.
>
> Hey Marc,
> Arts in town...I e-mailed you at vinylanach@aol.
> Anyway e-mail to see if we can get together.
>
> ScottW

Didn't get the e-mail yet.

Boon

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paul packer wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 16:48:12 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
> >> of your way to site facts.
> >
> >Whoops. Brain fart. I meant cite.
>
>
> Are you too young for a senior's moment?

I keep writing "backround" instead of "background," too. The end is
near.

Boon

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Mr Fox wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 16:42:18 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Mr Fox wrote:
> >> On 3 Oct 2006 08:09:32 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the choice of speaker
> >> >> secondary for you? (I have yet to hear one.)
> >> >
> >> >It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I actually bought
> >> >the Yamamotos because I already had the Zu Druids, and I was told by
> >> >Sean Casey, the designer of the Druids, that this was his favorite
> >> >match. So I checked it out myself and agreed.
> >>
> >> OK- I understand.
> >
> >Maybe you can explain this to Krivis. He doesn't seem to understand
> >the concept of system synergy.
>
> My impression is that Mr Krivis will be resistant to explanations
> which do not align with his preconceived notions about sound quality.

Anyone who states that they don't have to actually hear something to
know what it's going to sound like automatically loses all credibility.
Unfortunately, the audio world is full of these morons.

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 16:38:19 -0700, wrote:
>
> >>
> >> That's that whole thing of trying to balance out your horribly colored
> >> amp with a speaker that will be oppositely colored.
> >
> >What matters is the end result.
> >
>
> Yeah, just like with the Intelligent Chip.
>
>
> >>
> >> Also, those amps hardly put out any more power than an iPod, so you
> >> need to buy speakers that approximate headphones.
> >
> >The Druids are definitely not designed for nearfield listening.
> >
>
> Then they must have some totally nasty resonances to achieve enough
> output to be even marginally usable in a typical home listening room.
>
> Bose employs a similar concept in some of their products like the wave
> radio.
>
> >>
> >> I bet Bose would be really good at making very resonant, efficient
> >> speakers. Maybe you SET guys should contact Bose?
> >
> >I suppose you can live in whatever fantasy world you'd like. Of
> >course, I can always hear what they really sound like anytime I want.
>
> You are the one with the fantasy life. You're convinced that
> completely screwball speakers combined with fatally flawed SET amps
> equals audio nirvana.
>
> Maybe you need to add in a battery-powered Tripath amp? I bet you'd be
> in audiophile heaven. (I bet it would go well with your wooden phono
> cartridge too.)

So you're still convinced that telling me how my stereo sounds, without
actually hearing it yourself, is the way to go in this argument?

You're dumber than I originally thought, and I originally thought you
were really ****ing dumb.

LOL!

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 21:34:54 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Anyone who states that they don't have to actually hear something to
> >know what it's going to sound like automatically loses all credibility.
> > Unfortunately, the audio world is full of these morons.
>
> I don't have to listen to the audio system in a Dell notebook to know
> it's going to sound like crud either.

"I don't have to listen..." "I know it's going to sound..."

Boy, you just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.

>
> You're the one who has no credibility, you and your sockpuppets.

Sockpuppets? Really! Perhaps you should ask Arny about the AOL
account he says he never uses.

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 16:42:18 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Mr Fox wrote:
> >> On 3 Oct 2006 08:09:32 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the choice of speaker
> >> >> secondary for you? (I have yet to hear one.)
> >> >
> >> >It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I actually bought
> >> >the Yamamotos because I already had the Zu Druids, and I was told by
> >> >Sean Casey, the designer of the Druids, that this was his favorite
> >> >match. So I checked it out myself and agreed.
> >>
> >> OK- I understand.
> >
> >Maybe you can explain this to Krivis. He doesn't seem to understand
> >the concept of system synergy.
>
> I understand it perfectly well. You take one really grotty component
> and then pretend that another qually grotty component has
> complementary distortions, so the combo is just wonderful.
>
> The concept sells a lot of expensive crap, that's for sure. :-)
>
> You don't need "system synergy" if you have good components in the
> first place.

Name a system where the components are so good, they'll match with
anything.

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 16:40:05 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 2 Oct 2006 15:41:30 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> >>
> >> I heard some Audio Note speakers and they made all recordings sound
> >> similar. They weren't at all what I'd call neutral.
> >
> >Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
> >of your way to site facts.
>
> One of the AN-J variations.
>
> They had a very "romantic" sound, almost like some tube gear.
>
> It wasn't unpleasant, just not neutral.

So you think you can transfer that observation magically to the AN-E?
Oh, I forgot. You're Stuart Krivis. You don't have to hear a
component to know how it's actually going to sound.

ROTFLMAO!

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:

> It wasn't unpleasant, just not neutral.

Oh, and don't think I'll let this comment pass unnoticed. Are you
saying you prefer neutrality, even if it's unpleasant?

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2006 18:39:29 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >And they look much, much better. Never underestimate the importance of
> >that!
>
> Yep. I bought new speakers last summer and my wife was not thrilled
> until she saw them. They're done in a really nice cherry veneer and
> she loves them. :-)

Which speakers?

Boon

[ScottW]

wrote:
> ScottW wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > >
> > > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > >> On 2 Oct 2006 15:41:30 -0700, wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> > >>
> > >> I heard some Audio Note speakers and they made all recordings sound
> > >> similar. They weren't at all what I'd call neutral.
> > >
> > > Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
> > > of your way to site facts.
> >
> > Hey Marc,
> > Arts in town...I e-mailed you at vinylanach@aol.
> > Anyway e-mail to see if we can get together.
> >
> > ScottW
>
> Didn't get the e-mail yet.

Friggin aol...get real isp :).

I sent it again...unless your e-mail in these posts is bogus...but I
didn't get a bounce message.

Anyway...if you don't get the e-mail...e-mail me a reply to this post.

ScottW

[ScottW]

wrote:
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > On 3 Oct 2006 16:38:19 -0700, wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >> That's that whole thing of trying to balance out your horribly colored
> > >> amp with a speaker that will be oppositely colored.
> > >
> > >What matters is the end result.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, just like with the Intelligent Chip.
> >
> >
> > >>
> > >> Also, those amps hardly put out any more power than an iPod, so you
> > >> need to buy speakers that approximate headphones.
> > >
> > >The Druids are definitely not designed for nearfield listening.
> > >
> >
> > Then they must have some totally nasty resonances to achieve enough
> > output to be even marginally usable in a typical home listening room.
> >
> > Bose employs a similar concept in some of their products like the wave
> > radio.
> >
> > >>
> > >> I bet Bose would be really good at making very resonant, efficient
> > >> speakers. Maybe you SET guys should contact Bose?
> > >
> > >I suppose you can live in whatever fantasy world you'd like. Of
> > >course, I can always hear what they really sound like anytime I want.
> >
> > You are the one with the fantasy life. You're convinced that
> > completely screwball speakers combined with fatally flawed SET amps
> > equals audio nirvana.
> >
> > Maybe you need to add in a battery-powered Tripath amp? I bet you'd be
> > in audiophile heaven. (I bet it would go well with your wooden phono
> > cartridge too.)
>
> So you're still convinced that telling me how my stereo sounds, without
> actually hearing it yourself, is the way to go in this argument?

Trotsky reincarnated :)

ScottW

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 4 Oct 2006 10:56:54 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >So you're still convinced that telling me how my stereo sounds, without
> >actually hearing it yourself, is the way to go in this argument?
>
> Why not? It isn't going to make any difference. You're a true
> believer, as evidenced by your choice of (and defense of) such
> horribly flawed gear.

Actually, I have owned a lot of different equipment over the years
which I have enjoyed, and which come from completely different audio
philosophies. For instance, I love my Naim CDX2 CD player:

http://audioenz.co.nz/2006/vinyl_level.shtml

I also love electrostatic speakers, Naim amplification, BBC-licensed
loudspeakers, etc.

But don't let your own misguided preconceptions get in the way of the
truth. I have my opinions on audio published. You have your bull****,
which is becoming more and more improbable.

>
> >
> >You're dumber than I originally thought, and I originally thought you
> >were really ****ing dumb.
>
> Heh. I'm not the one with the wacko amps, speakers, and the wooden
> phono cartridge.

We don't know what you have, do we? Let's see if you have the balls to
tell us.

>
> I'm just betting you have all kinds of fancy wires, cables, and power
> cords too. Any Peter Belt gear? A bottle of Brilliant Pebbles? C'mon,
> fess up. You know you've got them.

I have a question for you. Why do objectivists, while in a debate,
choose to make up things out of thin air about their opponents? Don't
they realize it undermines everything they stand for? Don't they know
it makes them look like idiots? TIA.

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 4 Oct 2006 10:59:36 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 3 Oct 2006 21:34:54 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Anyone who states that they don't have to actually hear something to
> >> >know what it's going to sound like automatically loses all credibility.
> >> > Unfortunately, the audio world is full of these morons.
> >>
> >> I don't have to listen to the audio system in a Dell notebook to know
> >> it's going to sound like crud either.

> >
> >"I don't have to listen..." "I know it's going to sound..."
> >
> >Boy, you just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.
> >
>
> So you would expect to have to listen to the audio system in a Dell
> notebook before deciding whether it sounds like crud or not?

I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I have no idea. I
would never make a presumption like that. It could sound great, for
all I know.

I do know the sound of my Compaq laptop is inadequate. That's because
I've actually listened to it.
>
>
> >>
> >> You're the one who has no credibility, you and your sockpuppets.
> >
> >Sockpuppets? Really! Perhaps you should ask Arny about the AOL
> >account he says he never uses.
> >
>
> Ask him yourself.

I know the answer.

>
> Why did you feel the need to bring up Arny anyway?

Because you sound like one of his sockpuppets.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 4 Oct 2006 11:00:38 -0700, wrote:
>
> >> >
> >> >Maybe you can explain this to Krivis. He doesn't seem to understand
> >> >the concept of system synergy.
> >>
> >> I understand it perfectly well. You take one really grotty component
> >> and then pretend that another qually grotty component has
> >> complementary distortions, so the combo is just wonderful.
> >>
> >> The concept sells a lot of expensive crap, that's for sure. :-)
> >>
> >> You don't need "system synergy" if you have good components in the
> >> first place.
> >
> >Name a system where the components are so good, they'll match with
> >anything.
>
> Why do they need to match with "anything?" We already eliminated the
> hopelessly colored stuff you're using, for instance, by saying you
> need good components in the first place.

Who is "we"? I don't see anyone helping you out here. In fact, it
looks like most people are on the other side of the fence, laughing at
you right now.

>
> The best audio gear out there is very neutral. Can you get that
> concept?

That's oversimplifying. Perhaps that's because you're overly simple.

>
> However, to give you some examples that I'm quite familiar with, Frank
> Van Alstine's electronics will match up with anything.
>
> I'm betting I could find similar examples from a number of other
> places. I might start with designs by Nelson Pass or John Curl, for
> instance. Conrad-Johnson and ARC make some very nice products too.
> Personally, I would probably start by looking at Curl's designs for
> Parasound, since they are very good and not terribly expensive.

Agreed.

>
> For speakers I think I would strongly consider some of the designs
> from Jim Salk , Roy Johnson, Siegfried Linkwitz, or Vandersteen. Earl
> Geddes has done some excellent (really excellent!) work, and has
> speakers available. SP Tech has some very good stuff too.

Agreed.

>
> I also think rather highly of the speakers from Fried Products.

Agreed.

>
> ESL and other planar speakers never seem quite right to me, although
> I'd say Quad has best of breed in this category.

Agreed.

So what's your problem?

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 4 Oct 2006 11:04:21 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >
> >> It wasn't unpleasant, just not neutral.
> >
> >Oh, and don't think I'll let this comment pass unnoticed. Are you
> >saying you prefer neutrality, even if it's unpleasant?
>
> I think your logic is faulty.

Of course it is. I was being ironic, you know, considering that you
know what things sound like before you hear them.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 4 Oct 2006 11:02:19 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 3 Oct 2006 16:40:05 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> >> On 2 Oct 2006 15:41:30 -0700, wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >more interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound
> >> >>
> >> >> I heard some Audio Note speakers and they made all recordings sound
> >> >> similar. They weren't at all what I'd call neutral.
> >> >
> >> >Which model? There are many. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go out
> >> >of your way to site facts.
> >>
> >> One of the AN-J variations.
> >>
> >> They had a very "romantic" sound, almost like some tube gear.
> >>
> >> It wasn't unpleasant, just not neutral.
> >
> >So you think you can transfer that observation magically to the AN-E?
> >Oh, I forgot. You're Stuart Krivis. You don't have to hear a
> >component to know how it's actually going to sound.
> >
>
> Who said I was transferring any observations? I commented on the
> Audionote speakers I had heard.
>
> These models also appear to be rather similar. If anything, the AN-E
> might be worse because they trot out rubbish like "the cabinet is
> lightly braced and little internal damping is used. The cabinet is
> designed in such a way that it augments and supports the drivers in
> their task, not unlike the box of a guitar."
>
> That is so far away from what any normal speaker designer tries for
> that even you should figure out why they're screwy.
>
> It's just like what Bose does, BTW, although Bose uses a far more
> controlled method of getting their extra resonances (and thus
> efficiency).

So do you think Bose can make a better speaker than Audio Note?

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 4 Oct 2006 11:05:22 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 2 Oct 2006 18:39:29 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >And they look much, much better. Never underestimate the importance of
> >> >that!
> >>
> >> Yep. I bought new speakers last summer and my wife was not thrilled
> >> until she saw them. They're done in a really nice cherry veneer and
> >> she loves them. :-)
> >
> >Which speakers?
> >
>
> They're not available commercially, although they are similar in some
> ways to these: http://www.friedproducts.com/monitor7.html (Mine have
> better tweeters though. They felt they were too expensive to use in a
> $4K/pr. loudspeaker, so they chose a Vifa model at 1/2 the cost for
> the Monitor 7.)

Since I've never heard your speakers, I will refrain from judjging
them. See how that works?

Boon

[Mr Fox]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:14:54 -0400, Stuart Krivis
> wrote:

>On 4 Oct 2006 10:59:36 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>>Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>> On 3 Oct 2006 21:34:54 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Anyone who states that they don't have to actually hear something to
>>> >know what it's going to sound like automatically loses all credibility.
>>> > Unfortunately, the audio world is full of these morons.
>>>
>>> I don't have to listen to the audio system in a Dell notebook to know
>>> it's going to sound like crud either.
>>
>>"I don't have to listen..." "I know it's going to sound..."
>>
>>Boy, you just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.
>>
>
>So you would expect to have to listen to the audio system in a Dell
>notebook before deciding whether it sounds like crud or not?

I have heard two notebooks with intergrated sound that defy
expecation. One a HP Presario (dont remember model; speakers were JBL
something) -- another Toshiba Qosmoi. Neither sound like "crud;". You
of course can claim otherwise; after consulting your crystal balls.

[dizzy]

wrote:

>I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I have no idea.

Thanks for the proof that you're a bald-face liar.

>I would never make a presumption like that. It could sound great, for
>all I know.
>
>I do know the sound of my Compaq laptop is inadequate. That's because
>I've actually listened to it.

[[email protected]]

dizzy wrote:
> wrote:
>
> >I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I have no idea.
>
> Thanks for the proof that you're a bald-face liar.

What are you, ****ing high?

Boon

[dizzy]

wrote:

>dizzy wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I have no idea.
>>
>> Thanks for the proof that you're a bald-face liar.
>
>What are you, ****ing high?

No, why do you ask?

I was just pointing out your bald-faced lie. You own a "Compaq
laptop" but you "have no idea" what a "Dell notebook" is, huh?

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com

> Since I've never heard your speakers, I will refrain from
> judjging them. See how that works?

As if hearing speakers for a few minutes or hours in some hi fi show demo
room was a definitive experience.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> [dot] net> wrote:
>
>> Marc said:
>>
>>>> SET amps are like that.
>>
>>> No, they're not. In fact, that's really, really stupid.
>>
>> Apparently, all Stewarts who post to RAO are stupid.
>> This one even tops Lord Drunkerton, though -- he
>> actually admires the Krooborg. Just like duh-Mikey does.
>
> Where is Mikey lately?

Jenn at her finest - acting as Middius' straight man.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> MiNe 109 wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Mr Fox > wrote:
>>
>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews.
>>> So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a
>>> pair already?
>>
>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
>
> The structure around the drivers is much more solid and
> well-built, mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
>
> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I
> still had a pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But,
> with a low-powered SET, I'm more interested in things
> like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound Crafts with
> the Altec-Lansing drivers.

It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never lived until you heard
a Yammakwaski Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp"
schtick.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On 3 Oct 2006 08:09:32 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the
>>>> choice of speaker secondary for you? (I have yet to
>>>> hear one.)
>>>
>>> It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I
>>> actually bought the Yamamotos because I already had the
>>> Zu Druids, and I was told by Sean Casey, the designer
>>> of the Druids, that this was his favorite match. So I
>>> checked it out myself and agreed.

>> That's that whole thing of trying to balance out your
>> horribly colored amp with a speaker that will be
>> oppositely colored.

A futile process I might add, since the colorations of the power amp are no
doubt highly-depenendent on the impedance curve of the speakers.

> What matters is the end result.

Agreed, but mixing spices is not a good way to obtain pure water.

>> Also, those amps hardly put out any more power than an
>> iPod, so you need to buy speakers that approximate
>> headphones.

> The Druids are definitely not designed for nearfield
> listening.

The Druids sound better the further you get from them - someplace in the
next county you can't hear them at all.

>> I bet Bose would be really good at making very resonant,
>> efficient speakers. Maybe you SET guys should contact
>> Bose?

If SETs weren't boutique speakers that sold in miniscule quantities, Bose
would be there to serve them, no doubt.

> I suppose you can live in whatever fantasy world you'd
> like.

How about the fantasy world where Marc Philliips is an audio journalist?

> Of course, I can always hear what they really
> sound like anytime I want.

Sort of like having an on-site dominatrix.

> You have to guess aloud on a
> Usenet newsgroup, and pretend you have experience in
> these matters.

Wow, Marc does have personal insight after all!

> Personally, I'd be too embarrassed to do
> that, Internet geek. Kudos!

Marc still hasn't updated his working vocabulary to the 21st century. He
thinks that "geek" is a bad word.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com

> Actually, I have owned a lot of different equipment over
> the years which I have enjoyed, and which come from
> completely different audio philosophies.

Marc enjoys them so much that he has to replace them so often to get
something that sounds better.

Just goes to show that if one chases his tail, he can go real fast without
getting anyplace.

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

> On 3 Oct 2006 21:34:54 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone who states that they don't have to actually hear
>> something to know what it's going to sound like
>> automatically loses all credibility. Unfortunately, the
>> audio world is full of these morons.
>
> I don't have to listen to the audio system in a Dell
> notebook to know it's going to sound like crud either.
>
> You're the one who has no credibility, you and your
> sockpuppets.

Marc never does sockpuppets, except when he gets caught at doing
sockpuppets, which has definately happened in the past.

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

> On 4 Oct 2006 10:59:36 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>> On 3 Oct 2006 21:34:54 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who states that they don't have to actually
>>>> hear something to know what it's going to sound like
>>>> automatically loses all credibility. Unfortunately,
>>>> the audio world is full of these morons.
>>>
>>> I don't have to listen to the audio system in a Dell
>>> notebook to know it's going to sound like crud either.
>>
>> "I don't have to listen..." "I know it's going to
>> sound..."
>>
>> Boy, you just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for
>> yourself.
>>
>
> So you would expect to have to listen to the audio system
> in a Dell notebook before deciding whether it sounds like
> crud or not?

>>> You're the one who has no credibility, you and your
>>> sockpuppets.

>> Sockpuppets? Really!


Yes Marc, tell the newbies about when you got caught making sockpuppets.

BTW ease of fabrication of sockpuppets is one nice thing about AOL accounts
like the one that Marc is using. Ease and low cost of fabrication of
sockpuppetsone nice thing about posting through Google groups like Marc
does.

>> Perhaps you should ask Arny about
>> the AOL account he says he never uses.

That account should be long cancelled.

> Ask him yourself.
>
> Why did you feel the need to bring up Arny anyway?

Marc is obsessed with me, something like Middius is.

BTW, I spent the last week (sunday-to-sunday) hiking with my wife in the
Trap Hills region around Victoria, in Michigan's Upper Penninsula. Just
backpacks, no electrical power, not even cell service AFAIK. Yet according
to Marc, I was posting to RAO the whole week. Pretty good, eh?

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On 4 Oct 2006 11:04:21 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>
>>>> It wasn't unpleasant, just not neutral.
>>>
>>> Oh, and don't think I'll let this comment pass
>>> unnoticed. Are you saying you prefer neutrality, even
>>> if it's unpleasant?
>>
>> I think your logic is faulty.
>
> Of course it is. I was being ironic, you know,
> considering that you know what things sound like before
> you hear them.

Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:51:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> BTW, I spent the last week (sunday-to-sunday) hiking
>> with my wife in the Trap Hills region around Victoria,
>> in Michigan's Upper Penninsula. Just backpacks, no
>> electrical power, not even cell service AFAIK. Yet
>> according to Marc, I was posting to RAO the whole week.

(via a sockpuppet named Krivis, it seems) ;-)

>> Pretty good, eh?

> I really like the UP. :-)

Yeah, the Lake Superior region is about the only thing that Powell and I can
agree on. ;-)

For the sake of the Left Coasters, we also like hiking in Anza Borrego State
Park and the Idlewild area. A completely different trip, though.

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:53:27 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com
>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>> On 4 Oct 2006 11:04:21 -0700, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't unpleasant, just not neutral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and don't think I'll let this comment pass
>>>>> unnoticed. Are you saying you prefer neutrality, even
>>>>> if it's unpleasant?
>>>>
>>>> I think your logic is faulty.
>>>
>>> Of course it is. I was being ironic, you know,
>>> considering that you know what things sound like before
>>> you hear them.
>>
>> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
>>
>
> MF says they're wonderful and then Boon parrots him?

Pretty close, I'd say.

I especially like the part where Boonie uses different associated
components, recordings, and rooms for his *comparisons*.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article >,
> > George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> > [dot] net> wrote:
> >
> >> Marc said:
> >>
> >>>> SET amps are like that.
> >>
> >>> No, they're not. In fact, that's really, really stupid.
> >>
> >> Apparently, all Stewarts who post to RAO are stupid.
> >> This one even tops Lord Drunkerton, though -- he
> >> actually admires the Krooborg. Just like duh-Mikey does.
> >
> > Where is Mikey lately?
>
> Jenn at her finest - acting as Middius' straight man.

No, I'm just wondering where he is.

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> > >> Apparently, all Stewarts who post to RAO are stupid.
> > >> This one even tops Lord Drunkerton, though -- he
> > >> actually admires the Krooborg. Just like duh-Mikey does.

> > > Where is Mikey lately?

> > Jenn at her finest - acting as Middius' straight man.

> No, I'm just wondering where he is.

I heard he was carted away for a nice long rest.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:.


>> Since I've never heard your speakers, I will refrain from
>> judjging them. See how that works?


>As if hearing speakers for a few minutes or hours in some hi fi show demo
>room was a definitive experience.


Of course, judging SET based systems that way is perfectly legitimate,
isn't it Arny? ;-)

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[George M. Middius]

Sander deWaal said the Krooborg:

> >> Since I've never heard your speakers, I will refrain from
> >> judjging them. See how that works?

> >As if hearing speakers for a few minutes or hours in some hi fi show demo
> >room was a definitive experience.

> Of course, judging SET based systems that way is perfectly legitimate,
> isn't it Arny? ;-)

If Krooger's therapist were worth anything, he would counsel Mr. **** to
vacate Usenet and pump all the energy he expends here into good works for
his church.





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net> wrote in message

> Sander deWaal said the Krooborg:
>
>>>> Since I've never heard your speakers, I will refrain
>>>> from judjging them. See how that works?
>
>>> As if hearing speakers for a few minutes or hours in
>>> some hi fi show demo room was a definitive experience.
>
>> Of course, judging SET based systems that way is
>> perfectly legitimate, isn't it Arny? ;-)

It didn't take a long whiff to figure out that something was rotten.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
>
> > Since I've never heard your speakers, I will refrain from
> > judjging them. See how that works?
>
> As if hearing speakers for a few minutes or hours in some hi fi show demo
> room was a definitive experience.

Agreed.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
>
> > Actually, I have owned a lot of different equipment over
> > the years which I have enjoyed, and which come from
> > completely different audio philosophies.
>
> Marc enjoys them so much that he has to replace them so often to get
> something that sounds better.
>
> Just goes to show that if one chases his tail, he can go real fast without
> getting anyplace.

Hmmm...elsewhere today, you posted something implying that I base audio
opinions upon listening for a few seconds at audio shows. Then, this
post seems to harken back to your comment a few weeks ago that my
listening room has a revolving door.

You know, a smarter man would have figured it all out by now and been
more consistent with his conclusions. But, as usual, you have to make
up stuff out of thin air to stay in the game.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>
> > On 4 Oct 2006 10:59:36 -0700, wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>> On 3 Oct 2006 21:34:54 -0700, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone who states that they don't have to actually
> >>>> hear something to know what it's going to sound like
> >>>> automatically loses all credibility. Unfortunately,
> >>>> the audio world is full of these morons.
> >>>
> >>> I don't have to listen to the audio system in a Dell
> >>> notebook to know it's going to sound like crud either.
> >>
> >> "I don't have to listen..." "I know it's going to
> >> sound..."
> >>
> >> Boy, you just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for
> >> yourself.
> >>
> >
> > So you would expect to have to listen to the audio system
> > in a Dell notebook before deciding whether it sounds like
> > crud or not?
>
> >>> You're the one who has no credibility, you and your
> >>> sockpuppets.
>
> >> Sockpuppets? Really!
>
>
> Yes Marc, tell the newbies about when you got caught making sockpuppets.

Only if you tell them about when you got caught first.

>
> BTW ease of fabrication of sockpuppets is one nice thing about AOL accounts
> like the one that Marc is using. Ease and low cost of fabrication of
> sockpuppetsone nice thing about posting through Google groups like Marc
> does.

That's why you opened your AOL account, anyway.

>
> >> Perhaps you should ask Arny about
> >> the AOL account he says he never uses.
>
> That account should be long cancelled.

"Should be"? Well, you probably cancelled it after you found out I
that I knew that you had an AOL account, and that you had logged onto
RAO with it. The only thing I didn't know was what name you used.
That's where the AOL Iron Curtain comes down. But you knew that,
didn't you.

>
> > Ask him yourself.
> >
> > Why did you feel the need to bring up Arny anyway?
>
> Marc is obsessed with me, something like Middius is.

And yet I "stay away for months at a time." How do you reconcile the
inconsistencies in your tall tales, Arny? Do you even care anymore?

>
> BTW, I spent the last week (sunday-to-sunday) hiking with my wife in the
> Trap Hills region around Victoria, in Michigan's Upper Penninsula. Just
> backpacks, no electrical power, not even cell service AFAIK. Yet according
> to Marc, I was posting to RAO the whole week. Pretty good, eh?

Uh, mention where I thought you were posting during this time period.
TIA.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 3 Oct 2006 08:09:32 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Is there something about the SET amp that makes the
> >>>> choice of speaker secondary for you? (I have yet to
> >>>> hear one.)
> >>>
> >>> It wasn't that the choice of speaker was secondary. I
> >>> actually bought the Yamamotos because I already had the
> >>> Zu Druids, and I was told by Sean Casey, the designer
> >>> of the Druids, that this was his favorite match. So I
> >>> checked it out myself and agreed.
>
> >> That's that whole thing of trying to balance out your
> >> horribly colored amp with a speaker that will be
> >> oppositely colored.
>
> A futile process I might add, since the colorations of the power amp are no
> doubt highly-depenendent on the impedance curve of the speakers.
>
> > What matters is the end result.
>
> Agreed, but mixing spices is not a good way to obtain pure water.

Neither is mixing metaphors.

>
> >> Also, those amps hardly put out any more power than an
> >> iPod, so you need to buy speakers that approximate
> >> headphones.
>
> > The Druids are definitely not designed for nearfield
> > listening.
>
> The Druids sound better the further you get from them - someplace in the
> next county you can't hear them at all.

So you've heard them? Under what circumstances? Or are you guessing,
like Stu?

>
> >> I bet Bose would be really good at making very resonant,
> >> efficient speakers. Maybe you SET guys should contact
> >> Bose?
>
> If SETs weren't boutique speakers that sold in miniscule quantities, Bose
> would be there to serve them, no doubt.

SETs aren't speakers.

>
> > I suppose you can live in whatever fantasy world you'd
> > like.
>
> How about the fantasy world where Marc Philliips is an audio journalist?

I don't know that place, sorry. But I'm sure it exists for you.

>
> > Of course, I can always hear what they really
> > sound like anytime I want.
>
> Sort of like having an on-site dominatrix.

No, not really. But you probably have more experience with such
individuals than I do.

>
> > You have to guess aloud on a
> > Usenet newsgroup, and pretend you have experience in
> > these matters.
>
> Wow, Marc does have personal insight after all!

Thanks!

>
> > Personally, I'd be too embarrassed to do
> > that, Internet geek. Kudos!
>
> Marc still hasn't updated his working vocabulary to the 21st century. He
> thinks that "geek" is a bad word.

"Internet geek" is a bad word. But keeping dancing around this point,
Arny. In your world, rationalization is everything.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:44:38 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>
> >> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:51:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> BTW, I spent the last week (sunday-to-sunday) hiking
> >>> with my wife in the Trap Hills region around Victoria,
> >>> in Michigan's Upper Penninsula. Just backpacks, no
> >>> electrical power, not even cell service AFAIK. Yet
> >>> according to Marc, I was posting to RAO the whole week.
> >
> >(via a sockpuppet named Krivis, it seems) ;-)
>
> Ah, so that explains it. :-)

Uh, no it doesn't.

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 00:39:08 GMT, dizzy > wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> >>I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I have no idea.
> >
> >Thanks for the proof that you're a bald-face liar.
>
> >>I would never make a presumption like that. It could sound great, for
> >>all I know.
> >>
> >>I do know the sound of my Compaq laptop is inadequate. That's because
> >>I've actually listened to it.
>
> He's a liar in all directions, or really stupid, if he states that he
> has to listen to a laptop before determining that it sounds lousy. :-)

I don't listen to a lot of laptops. I don't download music. I don't
burn CDs from my computer. Most of the time, my laptop is on mute.

So no, I'm really not an expert on laptop sound. For all I know, there
might be a laptop that sounds really, really good.

Do you understand now, moron?

Boon

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>
> > On 3 Oct 2006 21:34:54 -0700, wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Anyone who states that they don't have to actually hear
> >> something to know what it's going to sound like
> >> automatically loses all credibility. Unfortunately, the
> >> audio world is full of these morons.
> >
> > I don't have to listen to the audio system in a Dell
> > notebook to know it's going to sound like crud either.
> >
> > You're the one who has no credibility, you and your
> > sockpuppets.
>
> Marc never does sockpuppets, except when he gets caught at doing
> sockpuppets, which has definately happened in the past.

Wow, it took every ounce of my being not to criticize that sentence and
its grammar. I can certainly, however, point out the hypocrisy of Arny
Krueger, who opened up an AOL account and posted on RAO, and then
stopped abruptly when I mentioned that he was doing it.

Boon

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 4 Oct 2006 11:04:21 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It wasn't unpleasant, just not neutral.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, and don't think I'll let this comment pass
> >>> unnoticed. Are you saying you prefer neutrality, even
> >>> if it's unpleasant?
> >>
> >> I think your logic is faulty.
> >
> > Of course it is. I was being ironic, you know,
> > considering that you know what things sound like before
> > you hear them.
>
> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.

I listen to them. How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail me under a
different name, asked for my opinion, buy a different turntable on
e-bay, and then blame me on RAO.

Boon

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ScottW wrote:
> wrote:
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > > On 3 Oct 2006 16:38:19 -0700, wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> That's that whole thing of trying to balance out your horribly colored
> > > >> amp with a speaker that will be oppositely colored.
> > > >
> > > >What matters is the end result.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, just like with the Intelligent Chip.
> > >
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, those amps hardly put out any more power than an iPod, so you
> > > >> need to buy speakers that approximate headphones.
> > > >
> > > >The Druids are definitely not designed for nearfield listening.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Then they must have some totally nasty resonances to achieve enough
> > > output to be even marginally usable in a typical home listening room.
> > >
> > > Bose employs a similar concept in some of their products like the wave
> > > radio.
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I bet Bose would be really good at making very resonant, efficient
> > > >> speakers. Maybe you SET guys should contact Bose?
> > > >
> > > >I suppose you can live in whatever fantasy world you'd like. Of
> > > >course, I can always hear what they really sound like anytime I want.
> > >
> > > You are the one with the fantasy life. You're convinced that
> > > completely screwball speakers combined with fatally flawed SET amps
> > > equals audio nirvana.
> > >
> > > Maybe you need to add in a battery-powered Tripath amp? I bet you'd be
> > > in audiophile heaven. (I bet it would go well with your wooden phono
> > > cartridge too.)
> >
> > So you're still convinced that telling me how my stereo sounds, without
> > actually hearing it yourself, is the way to go in this argument?
>
> Trotsky reincarnated :)

That's the last time I come over to your house and tell you how much I
miss him! ;-)

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 6 Oct 2006 21:17:19 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >dizzy wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I have no idea.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the proof that you're a bald-face liar.
> >
> >What are you, ****ing high?
> >
>
> I think you're the one who has been smoking rope.
>
> So, I've got a little $5 AM/FM radio I keep in a desk drawer just in
> case. (It came in handy in 2003 when nobody had AC power in the
> Eastern US and we needed some info on what was going on.)
>
> Are you saying that it might sound just wonderful and that you can't
> tell whether it will or not until you listen to it?

I'm saying that I haven't any preconceptions about it. It might sound
better than I expect, or worse than I expect. I just won't know until
I listen to it.

>
> You can't tell that a laptop with a pair of speakers the size of
> headphone drivers isn't going to sound lousy without auditioning it?

Compared to what? Other laptops? Or someone's reference system? You
seem to have a problem with a basis of comparison here.

>
> Do you need a special chair to determine what it sounds like too?

Do you need to keep making things up in lieu of making a cogent point?

Boon

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dizzy wrote:
> wrote:
>
> >dizzy wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I have no idea.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the proof that you're a bald-face liar.
> >
> >What are you, ****ing high?
>
> No, why do you ask?
>
> I was just pointing out your bald-faced lie. You own a "Compaq
> laptop" but you "have no idea" what a "Dell notebook" is, huh?

Well, I'm vaguely aware that there is a comapny called Dell that makes
computers. And I think I've heard laptops also referred to as
notebooks. But I don't believe I have any experience with a Dell
notebook. Is it new? Is it innovative? Did it become a benchmark for
sound in the world of laptops? Do Dells suck more than other brands?

Don't mistake me for a computer geek. I do not know about Dell
notebooks.

Boon

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > MiNe 109 wrote:
> >> In article >,
> >> Mr Fox > wrote:
> >>
> >>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews.
> >>> So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a
> >>> pair already?
> >>
> >> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
> >> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
> >
> > The structure around the drivers is much more solid and
> > well-built, mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
> >
> > I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I
> > still had a pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But,
> > with a low-powered SET, I'm more interested in things
> > like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound Crafts with
> > the Altec-Lansing drivers.
>
> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never lived until you heard
> a Yammakwaski Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp"
> schtick.

It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's "Waaahhhh...I can't afford
anything good, so I'll attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
schtick.

Boon

[paul packer]

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:40:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:


>The Druids sound better the further you get from them - someplace in the
>next county you can't hear them at all.


You know, sometimes I think you're developing a sense of humour,
Arnie.

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:53:27 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> >> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>> On 4 Oct 2006 11:04:21 -0700, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It wasn't unpleasant, just not neutral.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, and don't think I'll let this comment pass
> >>>> unnoticed. Are you saying you prefer neutrality, even
> >>>> if it's unpleasant?
> >>>
> >>> I think your logic is faulty.
> >>
> >> Of course it is. I was being ironic, you know,
> >> considering that you know what things sound like before
> >> you hear them.
> >
> >Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
> >
>
> MF says they're wonderful and then Boon parrots him?

So why did I buy a turntable that MF hasn't even heard or reviewed?
Why did I buy a tonearm that MF doesn't even like? Why did I buy a
Koetsu, which MF thinks is too warm? How did I scoop MF on 'tables
such as the Rega Planar 25, or the Michell Tecnodec in print? Why did
I publicly diss the Continuum, which MF bought?

I use MF as an resource, absolutely. But don't be stupid enough the
mix up the two. When it comes to posting facts, Stuart, why do you
always come up so short?

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com
>>
>>> Actually, I have owned a lot of different equipment over
>>> the years which I have enjoyed, and which come from
>>> completely different audio philosophies.
>>
>> Marc enjoys them so much that he has to replace them so
>> often to get something that sounds better.
>>
>> Just goes to show that if one chases his tail, he can go
>> real fast without getting anyplace.
>
> Hmmm...elsewhere today, you posted something implying
> that I base audio opinions upon listening for a few
> seconds at audio shows.


> Then, this post seems to harken
> back to your comment a few weeks ago that my listening
> room has a revolving door.

Guess what Boonie-boy, both statements could be true of you. Your listening
room seems to have a revolving door, but notwithstanding that, you are so
greedy to spout off your opinions that you report what you hear when you
listen for a few minutes or hours at audio shows.

Furthermore Marc, that your listening room seems to have a revolving door
does not mean that you necessarily do proper side-by-side comparisons. It's
also quite obvious that doing time-synched, level-matched, bias-controlled
listening tests is way beyond your mental and technical faculties.


> You know, a smarter man would have figured it all out by
> now and been more consistent with his conclusions.

Nice try at lying about the consistency of my conclusions, Boonie-boy.

> But, as usual, you have to make up stuff out of thin air to
> stay in the game.

Not at all Marc, I'm obviously several miles ahead of you.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message

>> Marc still hasn't updated his working vocabulary to the
>> 21st century. He thinks that "geek" is a bad word.

> "Internet geek" is a bad word.

What sort of fool thinks that whatever he says, no matter how nonsensible,
no matter how orthogonal his intended meaning is to modern thought, is
revealed truth? Obviously, a fool named Marc Phillips.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com

> Do you understand now, moron?

Yup, Boonie is a real gentleman, so well-spoken.

[paul packer]

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:11:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>It's also quite obvious that doing time-synched, level-matched, bias-controlled
>listening tests is way beyond your mental and technical faculties.

Watch it. Arnie's on his "mental midget" thing again.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:11:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
>
>> It's also quite obvious that doing time-synched,
>> level-matched, bias-controlled listening tests is way
>> beyond your mental and technical faculties.
>
> Watch it. Arnie's on his "mental midget" thing again.

Well, when in the land of mental midgets, what's a boy to do?

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On 6 Oct 2006 21:17:19 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> dizzy wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I
>>>>> have no idea.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the proof that you're a bald-face liar.
>>>
>>> What are you, ****ing high?
>>>
>>
>> I think you're the one who has been smoking rope.
>>
>> So, I've got a little $5 AM/FM radio I keep in a desk
>> drawer just in case. (It came in handy in 2003 when
>> nobody had AC power in the Eastern US and we needed some
>> info on what was going on.)
>>
>> Are you saying that it might sound just wonderful and
>> that you can't tell whether it will or not until you
>> listen to it?
>
> I'm saying that I haven't any preconceptions about it.

In the next statement you contradict that claim, Marc. You say "It might
better than I expect", which means exactly that you already have
expectations or preconceptions that you are going to compare future
perceptions to.

> It might sound better than I expect, or worse than I
> expect.

Thanks for admitting that you have expectations about how it will sound.
IOW, you have preconceptions, or is the connection between expectations and
preconceptions lost on you, Boonie-boy?

> I just won't know until I listen to it.

If you're looking for an upgrade to your current system, is it manditory
that one listen to every $5 AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?

Of course not!

You're just talking trash.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com

>> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.

> I listen to them.

On different days, in different rooms, with different recordings, and with
different associated equipment, right?

> How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail
> me under a different name, asked for my opinion, buy a
> different turntable on e-bay, and then blame me on RAO.

You're delusional, Marc. I simply found a likely turntable on eBay and
bought it. It seems to work a whole lot better than you have claimed that it
can. Vinyl sounds pretty grim compared to modern formats, and the emperor's
turntable can't fix a format that has gone about 50 years since the last
time they tweaked it seriously.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> >, Mr Fox
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews.
>>>>> So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a
>>>>> pair already?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
>>>
>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid and
>>> well-built, mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
>>>
>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I
>>> still had a pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But,
>>> with a low-powered SET, I'm more interested in things
>>> like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound Crafts
>>> with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
>>
>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.

> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll attack
> everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.

It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc trying to play the class
card.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ups.com
> >>
> >>> Actually, I have owned a lot of different equipment over
> >>> the years which I have enjoyed, and which come from
> >>> completely different audio philosophies.
> >>
> >> Marc enjoys them so much that he has to replace them so
> >> often to get something that sounds better.
> >>
> >> Just goes to show that if one chases his tail, he can go
> >> real fast without getting anyplace.
> >
> > Hmmm...elsewhere today, you posted something implying
> > that I base audio opinions upon listening for a few
> > seconds at audio shows.
>
>
> > Then, this post seems to harken
> > back to your comment a few weeks ago that my listening
> > room has a revolving door.
>
> Guess what Boonie-boy, both statements could be true of you. Your listening
> room seems to have a revolving door, but notwithstanding that, you are so
> greedy to spout off your opinions that you report what you hear when you
> listen for a few minutes or hours at audio shows.

Guess what, Arny...you're making this up.

>
> Furthermore Marc, that your listening room seems to have a revolving door
> does not mean that you necessarily do proper side-by-side comparisons. It's
> also quite obvious that doing time-synched, level-matched, bias-controlled
> listening tests is way beyond your mental and technical faculties.

Guess what, Arny...you're making this up.

>
>
> > You know, a smarter man would have figured it all out by
> > now and been more consistent with his conclusions.
>
> Nice try at lying about the consistency of my conclusions, Boonie-boy.

Nope, no lying...just simple, factual observations. I bring up points
based upon your observable behavior, you make up things out of thin air
and say you've won. You've been doing this for years. And frankly,
the only reason I waste time on you is the same reason people go to
circus sideshows...they want to see the freaks perform for them.

By the way, the origin of the word "geek" is derived from sideshows. A
geek is someone who'll do anything to shock people, such as biting the
heads off of live chickens, etc. It's funny how you've chosen to call
yourself a geek as a point of pride.

>
> > But, as usual, you have to make up stuff out of thin air to
> > stay in the game.
>
> Not at all Marc, I'm obviously several miles ahead of you.

In your fool's paradise, I'm certain you think so. There is no other
logical explanation as to why a grown 60-year-old man would behave the
way you do. Frankly, one of the reasons why I do refrain from posting
here is that after a while, it gets plain depressing to interact with
low-lifes like yourself. Even at the circus sideshows, folks
eventually get tired of the freaks and go home.

Boon

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> "paul packer" > wrote in message
>
> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:11:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> It's also quite obvious that doing time-synched,
> >> level-matched, bias-controlled listening tests is way
> >> beyond your mental and technical faculties.
> >
> > Watch it. Arnie's on his "mental midget" thing again.
>
> Well, when in the land of mental midgets, what's a boy to do?

You're in your sixties, Arny. You're not a boy. You've wasted years
and years of your life on the Internet. Your behavior has been ignoble
at best, and a complete and utter waste at worst.

But at least you get to go out once a year and hike. I'm sure that
lets you rationalize everything you've done the other 51 weeks of the
year.

Boon

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
>
> >> Marc still hasn't updated his working vocabulary to the
> >> 21st century. He thinks that "geek" is a bad word.
>
> > "Internet geek" is a bad word.
>
> What sort of fool thinks that whatever he says, no matter how nonsensible,
> no matter how orthogonal his intended meaning is to modern thought, is
> revealed truth? Obviously, a fool named Marc Phillips.

Hmmm. I seem to have struck a nerve with you today. I'm wondering if
that while you were on your hike, if you thought about me the whole
time. Instead of looking around at nature, enjoying yourself, enjoying
the company of others, you spent the whole time thinking of me, and
what your strategy would be when you came back.

And when you came back, the first thing you did was reply to almost
every single post I'd made in your absence. It was quite flattering,
Arny, when I logged on yesterday and saw that. I know I ruined your
vacation.

That's why you complain when I leave the group for long periods of
time. I get it now. You miss me. You think about me all the time.
You obsess over me.

Ewwwwww!!!

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 9 Oct 2006 18:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>
> >> You can't tell that a laptop with a pair of speakers the size of
> >> headphone drivers isn't going to sound lousy without auditioning it?
> >
> >Compared to what? Other laptops? Or someone's reference system? You
> >seem to have a problem with a basis of comparison here.
> >
>
> No, I think you are the one who shifts his basis of comparison around
> so as to avoid answering a question.

Actually, I answered your question very specifically.

>
> I stated that there are some things that I don't need to listen to to
> know that they're going to sound lousy. I used a Dell laptop as an
> example of this.

And, as a computer geek, you found it impossible to believe that
someone wouldn't automatically know about the sound quality of a
certain brand of laptop. And yes, I was laughing at you for thinking
that.

Boon
>
> Somehow this confused you.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 6 Oct 2006 21:17:19 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> dizzy wrote:
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't really know what a Dell notebook is, so I
> >>>>> have no idea.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the proof that you're a bald-face liar.
> >>>
> >>> What are you, ****ing high?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think you're the one who has been smoking rope.
> >>
> >> So, I've got a little $5 AM/FM radio I keep in a desk
> >> drawer just in case. (It came in handy in 2003 when
> >> nobody had AC power in the Eastern US and we needed some
> >> info on what was going on.)
> >>
> >> Are you saying that it might sound just wonderful and
> >> that you can't tell whether it will or not until you
> >> listen to it?
> >
> > I'm saying that I haven't any preconceptions about it.
>
> In the next statement you contradict that claim, Marc. You say "It might
> better than I expect", which means exactly that you already have
> expectations or preconceptions that you are going to compare future
> perceptions to.
>
> > It might sound better than I expect, or worse than I
> > expect.
>
> Thanks for admitting that you have expectations about how it will sound.
> IOW, you have preconceptions, or is the connection between expectations and
> preconceptions lost on you, Boonie-boy?

Goodamn, Arny, this is so stupid, I can't believe it. I mean, I don't
know how you can **** this point up so completely. I just admitted the
opposite.

>
> > I just won't know until I listen to it.
>
> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current system, is it manditory
> that one listen to every $5 AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
>
> Of course not!
>
> You're just talking trash.

Wow, Arny. You're not making sense anymore. I'm not sure how to
respond. Would you like a lollipop?

Boon

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
>
> > Do you understand now, moron?
>
> Yup, Boonie is a real gentleman, so well-spoken.

I don't suffer fools gladly. You, if anyone, should know that.

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 9 Oct 2006 15:00:14 -0700, wrote:
>
> .
> >
> >So no, I'm really not an expert on laptop sound. For all I know, there
> >might be a laptop that sounds really, really good.
> >
> >Do you understand now, moron?
>
> Yes, I understand you don't have any clue what you're talking about.
> :-)

Finally you get it! When it comes to the sound quality of laptops, I
indeed don't know what I'm talking about!

How many posts did it take for you to figure this out? Frankly, I'm
amazed. I'm not sure how much more time I can spend helping you out
here.

Boon

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ups.com
>
> >> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
>
> > I listen to them.
>
> On different days, in different rooms, with different recordings, and with
> different associated equipment, right?
>
> > How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail
> > me under a different name, asked for my opinion, buy a
> > different turntable on e-bay, and then blame me on RAO.
>
> You're delusional, Marc. I simply found a likely turntable on eBay and
> bought it.

After asking me my opinion.

It seems to work a whole lot better than you have claimed that it
> can.

Yes, I'm sure you're happy with it, since it spins around, and when you
put the needle on the record, music comes out.

Vinyl sounds pretty grim compared to modern formats, and the
emperor's
> turntable can't fix a format that has gone about 50 years since the last
> time they tweaked it seriously.

Wow, sounds like you're really not happy with that table after all.
Perhaps you should have listened to me more closely!

Boon

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Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700, wrote:
>
> >>
> >> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never lived until you heard
> >> a Yammakwaski Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp"
> >> schtick.
> >
> >It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's "Waaahhhh...I can't afford
> >anything good, so I'll attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
> >schtick.
>
> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.

Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it comes to the
objectivist vs, subjectivists debates, it always turns out to be,
underneath it all, a battle between the haves and the have-nots.

Boon

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> MiNe 109 wrote:
> >>>> In article
> >>>> >, Mr Fox
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews.
> >>>>> So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a
> >>>>> pair already?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
> >>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
> >>>
> >>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid and
> >>> well-built, mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
> >>>
> >>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I
> >>> still had a pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But,
> >>> with a low-powered SET, I'm more interested in things
> >>> like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound Crafts
> >>> with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
> >>
> >> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
> >> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
> >> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
>
> > It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> > "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll attack
> > everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.
>
> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc trying to play the class
> card.

And again, it's pretty ironic to note that you call me trailer trash,
when the equity in my house over the last three years would buy yours
outright. So, again, if I'm trailer trash, you're living out of a
shopping cart.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> >> I just won't know until I listen to it.
> >
> >If you're looking for an upgrade to your current system, is it manditory
> >that one listen to every $5 AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
> >
> >Of course not!
> >
> >You're just talking trash.
> >
> >
>
> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a worthwhile
> upgrade. :-)

You mean the system you haven't heard but already know how it sounds?

Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than a Volvo.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "paul packer" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:11:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's also quite obvious that doing time-synched,
>>>> level-matched, bias-controlled listening tests is way
>>>> beyond your mental and technical faculties.
>>>
>>> Watch it. Arnie's on his "mental midget" thing again.
>>
>> Well, when in the land of mental midgets, what's a boy
>> to do?
>
> You're in your sixties, Arny.

Wrong again.

> You're not a boy.

I'm not morbidly obese like you are, Marc.

> You've
> wasted years and years of your life on the Internet.

So you say.

> Your behavior has been ignoble at best, and a complete
> and utter waste at worst.

It's true I've wasted far too much time with the likes of you, Marc.

> But at least you get to go out once a year and hike.

More than that, and obviously lots and lots compared to you.

> I'm sure that lets you rationalize everything you've done the
> other 51 weeks of the year.

Other than a couple of stupid-sounding web pages and senseless posts on RAO,
where's the evidence of your activities for the past year, Marc?

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> I just won't know until I listen to it.
>>>
>>> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current
>>> system, is it manditory that one listen to every $5
>>> AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
>>>
>>> Of course not!
>>>
>>> You're just talking trash.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a
>> worthwhile upgrade. :-)

> You mean the system you haven't heard but already know
> how it sounds?

Who cares?

> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than a
> Volvo.

Stuart and I should leave you just simmer in your own sweat.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ps.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ups.com
>>
>>>> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
>>
>>> I listen to them.
>>
>> On different days, in different rooms, with different
>> recordings, and with different associated equipment,
>> right?
>>
>>> How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail
>>> me under a different name, asked for my opinion, buy a
>>> different turntable on e-bay, and then blame me on RAO.
>>
>> You're delusional, Marc. I simply found a likely
>> turntable on eBay and bought it.
>
> After asking me my opinion.
>
> It seems to work a whole lot better than you have claimed
> that it
>> can.
>
> Yes, I'm sure you're happy with it, since it spins
> around, and when you put the needle on the record, music
> comes out.
>
> Vinyl sounds pretty grim compared to modern formats, and
> the emperor's turntable can't fix a format that has gone about 50
> years since the last time they tweaked it seriously.

> Wow, sounds like you're really not happy with that table
> after all.

It's those nasty grooved things that have to be played by dragging a rock
over them.

> Perhaps you should have listened to me more closely!

It would have been like trying to track Brownian Motion.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
>>>
>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.
>>
>> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
>
> Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it comes
> to the objectivist vs, subjectivists debates, it always
> turns out to be, underneath it all, a battle between the
> haves and the have-nots.

With Boonie representing the have-maximum-BS and have-not-brains.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> >, Mr Fox
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
>>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually
>>>>>>> receive a pair already?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
>>>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
>>>>>
>>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid
>>>>> and well-built, mostly. This does translate to
>>>>> deeper bass.
>>>>>
>>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
>>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
>>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
>>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those
>>>>> Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
>>>>
>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
>>
>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll attack
>>> everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.
>>
>> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
>> trying to play the class card.
>
> And again, it's pretty ironic to note that you call me
> trailer trash, when the equity in my house over the last
> three years would buy yours outright.

Easy to say, hard to prove. BTW is that equity your's or the bank's?

LOL!

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ups.com
>
>>> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
>
>> I listen to them.
>
> On different days, in different rooms, with different recordings, and with
> different associated equipment, right?
>
>> How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail
>> me under a different name, asked for my opinion, buy a
>> different turntable on e-bay, and then blame me on RAO.
>
> You're delusional, Marc. I simply found a likely turntable on eBay and
> bought it. It seems to work a whole lot better than you have claimed that
> it can.

A likely turntabe = "cheap"

> Vinyl sounds pretty grim compared to modern formats, and the emperor's
> turntable can't fix a format that has gone about 50 years since the last
> time they tweaked it seriously.

No expectation bias here, of course.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ups.com
>>
>>>> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
>>
>>> I listen to them.
>>
>> On different days, in different rooms, with different
>> recordings, and with different associated equipment,
>> right?
>>> How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail
>>> me under a different name, asked for my opinion, buy a
>>> different turntable on e-bay, and then blame me on RAO.
>>
>> You're delusional, Marc. I simply found a likely
>> turntable on eBay and bought it. It seems to work a
>> whole lot better than you have claimed that it can.

> A likely turntabe = "cheap"

Note that Harry is trying to sound like he knows something when in fact he's
completely ignorant of the details.

Here's a friendly tip Harry - google on Grado and Rega.

>> Vinyl sounds pretty grim compared to modern formats,
>> and the emperor's turntable can't fix a format that has
>> gone about 50 years since the last time they tweaked it
>> seriously.

> No expectation bias here, of course.

Are you saying that the LP format isn't about 50 years old?

Are you saying that it doesn't have relatively poor specs for dynamic range
and frequency response 20-20K?

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2006 10:58:40 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> I stated that there are some things that I don't need to listen to to
> >> know that they're going to sound lousy. I used a Dell laptop as an
> >> example of this.
> >
> >And, as a computer geek, you found it impossible to believe that
> >someone wouldn't automatically know about the sound quality of a
> >certain brand of laptop. And yes, I was laughing at you for thinking
> >that.
>
> No, I assumed that anyone would know that computer laptops sound
> lousy. I mentioned Dell because they own a large share of that market
> and most people would recognize the name.
>
> As for being a computer geek, I'm proud of that. I've put a lot of
> effort into it, and it's how I support my family.
>
> http://www.youmightbe.com/pages/computergeek.html

I'm sorry...in all that rubbish I didn't see any sort of apology for
calling me a liar when I said I didn't know what a Dell notebook
was...bitch.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I just won't know until I listen to it.
> >>>
> >>> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current
> >>> system, is it manditory that one listen to every $5
> >>> AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
> >>>
> >>> Of course not!
> >>>
> >>> You're just talking trash.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a
> >> worthwhile upgrade. :-)
>
> > You mean the system you haven't heard but already know
> > how it sounds?
>
> Who cares?
>
> > Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than a
> > Volvo.
>
> Stuart and I should leave you just simmer in your own sweat.

Don't make up something that isn't there. I'm not simmering...I'm
basking in the fact that during your vacation, you couldn't stop
thinking about me, and you couldn't wait to get back to confront me.
I, however, and by your own admission, didn't even notice you were
gone.

I wonder what Susan would think if she knew you spent your vacation
planning cockamamie strategems on RAO for when you got back. Or do you
two take separate vacations by now?

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I just won't know until I listen to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current
>>>>> system, is it manditory that one listen to every $5
>>>>> AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not!
>>>>>
>>>>> You're just talking trash.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a
>>>> worthwhile upgrade. :-)
>>
>>> You mean the system you haven't heard but already know
>>> how it sounds?
>>
>> Who cares?
>>
>>> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than a
>>> Volvo.
>>
>> Stuart and I should leave you just simmer in your own
>> sweat.
>
> Don't make up something that isn't there. I'm not
> simmering...I'm basking in the fact that during your
> vacation, you couldn't stop thinking about me, and you
> couldn't wait to get back to confront me.

Say what?

> I, however, and by your own admission, didn't even notice you were gone.

What's unclear about "who cares?"

> I wonder what Susan would think if she knew you spent
> your vacation planning cockamamie strategems on RAO for
> when you got back.

Never happened.

> Or do you two take separate vacations by now?

Not hardly.

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com
>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ups.com
>>>
>>>>> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
>>>
>>>> I listen to them.
>>>
>>> On different days, in different rooms, with different
>>> recordings, and with different associated equipment,
>>> right?
>>>> How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail
>>>> me under a different name, asked for my opinion, buy a
>>>> different turntable on e-bay, and then blame me on RAO.
>>>
>>> You're delusional, Marc. I simply found a likely
>>> turntable on eBay and bought it. It seems to work a
>>> whole lot better than you have claimed that it can.
>
>> A likely turntabe = "cheap"
>
> Note that Harry is trying to sound like he knows something when in fact
> he's completely ignorant of the details.
>
> Here's a friendly tip Harry - google on Grado and Rega.
>

I don't have to google to know what Rega and Grado's ranges are. Saying
Grado and Rega is like saying GM and Ford....meaningless unless you know the
specific model. But I do seem to recall you saying you found a Rega P2 on
eBay and bought it because it was selling at a low price...and then
complaining that something was wrong with the arm. You have talked about
Grado Silver, Stanton (model?) and Shure V-15 (model?) at times, so I
assumer these are your cartridges. Perhaps you can correct me if I am
wrong.

This is a modest system at best, Arny, but I understand your main purpose is
to transcribe your records to digital and not to "listen to them" in the
future. That's fine. But beware your tendency to make sweeping
pronouncements about vinyl based on this system.....that's like standing on
the sidewalk beside the Empiere State Building, looking up, and saying "the
Empire State Building has no top....I can't see it".

<snip remainder, irrelevant to the point>

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com
>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ups.com
>>>
>>>>> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
>>>
>>>> I listen to them.
>>>
>>> On different days, in different rooms, with different
>>> recordings, and with different associated equipment,
>>> right?
>>>> How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail
>>>> me under a different name, asked for my opinion, buy a
>>>> different turntable on e-bay, and then blame me on RAO.
>>>
>>> You're delusional, Marc. I simply found a likely
>>> turntable on eBay and bought it. It seems to work a
>>> whole lot better than you have claimed that it can.
>

<snip, irrelevant to below>

>>> Vinyl sounds pretty grim compared to modern formats,
>>> and the emperor's turntable can't fix a format that has
>>> gone about 50 years since the last time they tweaked it
>>> seriously.
>
>> No expectation bias here, of course.
>
> Are you saying that the LP format isn't about 50 years old?
>
> Are you saying that it doesn't have relatively poor specs for dynamic
> range and frequency response 20-20K?
>

No, I'm saying "vinyl sounds pretty grim" is a value judgement, in your case
based on inexpensive gear and with a predetermination against vinyl. Hardly
an "objective" opinion.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ups.com
>>>>
>>>>>> Tell us again how you audition turntables, Boonie.
>>>>
>>>>> I listen to them.
>>>>
>>>> On different days, in different rooms, with different
>>>> recordings, and with different associated equipment,
>>>> right?
>>>>> How do you do it? Oh yes, you e-mail
>>>>> me under a different name, asked for my opinion, buy a
>>>>> different turntable on e-bay, and then blame me on
>>>>> RAO.
>>>>
>>>> You're delusional, Marc. I simply found a likely
>>>> turntable on eBay and bought it. It seems to work a
>>>> whole lot better than you have claimed that it can.
>>
>>> A likely turntabe = "cheap"
>>
>> Note that Harry is trying to sound like he knows
>> something when in fact he's completely ignorant of the
>> details. Here's a friendly tip Harry - google on Grado and Rega.
>>
>
> I don't have to google to know what Rega and Grado's
> ranges are. Saying Grado and Rega is like saying GM and
> Ford....meaningless unless you know the specific model. But I do seem to
> recall you saying you found a Rega P2 on
> eBay and bought it because it was selling at a low
> price.

No, I bought it because it looked like a pretty good deal.

>..and then complaining that something was wrong
> with the arm.

Huh?

Nahh, it was the RAO trolls who said that there was something wrong with the
arm.

> You have talked about Grado Silver,
> Stanton (model?) and Shure V-15 (model?) at times, so I
> assumer these are your cartridges. Perhaps you can
> correct me if I am wrong.

Close on the cartridges.

> This is a modest system at best, Arny,

Snob.

> but I understand
> your main purpose is to transcribe your records to
> digital and not to "listen to them" in the future.

Are you saying that listening to digital transcriptions isn't "listening to
them"?

> That's fine. But beware your tendency to make sweeping
> pronouncements about vinyl based on this
> system....

It's like Harry thinks that this is the only LP playback system I've ever
listened to.

>.that's like standing on the sidewalk beside
> the Empiere State Building, looking up, and saying "the
> Empire State Building has no top....I can't see it".

Yup, Harry thinks this is the only vinyl system I've ever listened to in my
life.

> <snip remainder, irrelevant to the point>

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2006 11:05:30 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 9 Oct 2006 15:00:14 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> .
> >> >
> >> >So no, I'm really not an expert on laptop sound. For all I know, there
> >> >might be a laptop that sounds really, really good.
> >> >
> >> >Do you understand now, moron?
> >>
> >> Yes, I understand you don't have any clue what you're talking about.
> >> :-)
> >
> >Finally you get it! When it comes to the sound quality of laptops, I
> >indeed don't know what I'm talking about!
> >
>
> I meant in general. :-)

No, no...don't backpedal now! You've gotten your first thing right
here! There's hope!

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
> >>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
> >>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
> >>>
> >>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
> >>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.
> >>
> >> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
> >
> > Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it comes
> > to the objectivist vs, subjectivists debates, it always
> > turns out to be, underneath it all, a battle between the
> > haves and the have-nots.
>
> With Boonie representing the have-maximum-BS and have-not-brains.

You know, Arny, I offered my services before to help you with your
material. As long as the check clears, I won't tell a soul here.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2006 11:11:29 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never lived until you heard
> >> >> a Yammakwaski Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp"
> >> >> schtick.
> >> >
> >> >It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's "Waaahhhh...I can't afford
> >> >anything good, so I'll attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
> >> >schtick.
> >>
> >> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
> >
> >Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it comes to the
> >objectivist vs, subjectivists debates, it always turns out to be,
> >underneath it all, a battle between the haves and the have-nots.
>
> And again you come down to the "mine is bigger than yours" thing.
>
> BTW, just because you have 3 cars on blocks in front of your trailor
> while your neighbors all have two does not mean you are wealthy. :-)
>
> Don't those record albums take up too much space in your trailor? I
> bet you could fit in a lot more music on CD.

I'm not sure what a "trailor" is, unless it's British slang for a
$700,000 house. But I'm afraid this is where I have to write you off,
Stuart. I've told you time and time again that making up stuff out of
thin air and trying to pass it off as an argument is the mark of a
truly unintelligent man. And, as would be expected, you've ignored
this over and over and still do exactly that, thinking that you're
somehow getting the better of me. I'm not sure who you're trying to
impress, since middle school boys don't tend to hang out on RAO, but by
now everyone else worthwhile has written you off, too. I simply won't
waste time educating the pathologically dumb.

I will give you a word of advice, however, especially in light of the
fact that you claim to have a wife and children. It's obvious you
haven't taken the time to learn more about your philosophical
bedfellow, Arny Krueger. You remind me of Bill Watkins, an old audio
guy who used hang out here and mix it up with me. He started glomming
onto Arny, defending him, parroting him like you do now. Finally, I
sent him the links to all of the posts where Arny pulled perhaps his
biggest blunder on RAO, an unfortunate backfire that resulted with Arny
actually getting in trouble for storing child pornography on his hard
drive. He tried to blame it on John Atkinson at one point.

Once Bill took the time to read all of the details, he disappeared,
never to be seen on RAO again. I hope, for the sake of decency, it was
shame that caused him to leave. Arny will twist and spin and say it
was because I upset Bill by showing him such disgusting behavior. But
you just have to take the time to do the research on Google, and it's
all there.

Objectivist vs. subjectivist debate aside, you're lying down with dogs
here when you associate with Arny. Think about your family and ask
yourself if they would approve.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> MiNe 109 wrote:
> >>>> In article
> >>>> >, Mr Fox
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave reviews.
> >>>>> So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually receive a
> >>>>> pair already?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
> >>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
> >>>
> >>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid and
> >>> well-built, mostly. This does translate to deeper bass.
> >>>
> >>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones when I
> >>> still had a pair of Quad II Classic monoblocks. But,
> >>> with a low-powered SET, I'm more interested in things
> >>> like Audio Note AN-Es or those Yamamoto Sound Crafts
> >>> with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
> >>
> >> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
> >> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
> >> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
>
> > It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> > "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll attack
> > everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.
>
> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc trying to play the class
> card.

Shopping cart! Shopping cart!

LOL!

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> > wrote in message
> >>>> oups.com
> >>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
> >>>>>> In article
> >>>>>> >, Mr Fox
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
> >>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually
> >>>>>>> receive a pair already?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
> >>>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid
> >>>>> and well-built, mostly. This does translate to
> >>>>> deeper bass.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
> >>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
> >>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
> >>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those
> >>>>> Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
> >>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
> >>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
> >>
> >>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll attack
> >>> everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.
> >>
> >> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
> >> trying to play the class card.
> >
> > And again, it's pretty ironic to note that you call me
> > trailer trash, when the equity in my house over the last
> > three years would buy yours outright.
>
> Easy to say, hard to prove. BTW is that equity your's or the bank's?
>
> LOL!

Do you know what "equity" means, Arny? And do you know it's "yours"
and not "your's"?

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2006 11:41:47 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I just won't know until I listen to it.
> >> >
> >> >If you're looking for an upgrade to your current system, is it manditory
> >> >that one listen to every $5 AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
> >> >
> >> >Of course not!
> >> >
> >> >You're just talking trash.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a worthwhile
> >> upgrade. :-)
> >
> >You mean the system you haven't heard but already know how it sounds?
>
> I have no idea how it sounds, but I know it isn't worth listening to.
>
> I guess you missed that the first time.
>
> >
> >Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than a Volvo.
>
> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a banana or a
> Volvo to know they're not worth listening to.

You should use that as your sig line. It makes about as much sense as
anything else you've said.

Boon

[paul packer]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:52:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:


>Here's a friendly tip Harry

Stop lying, Arnold. None of your tips are friendly.

[paul packer]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:56:48 -0400, Stuart Krivis
> wrote:


>BTW, just because you have 3 cars on blocks in front of your trailor
>while your neighbors all have two does not mean you are wealthy. :-)


LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On 10 Oct 2006 11:41:47 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I just won't know until I listen to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current
>>>>> system, is it manditory that one listen to every $5
>>>>> AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not!
>>>>>
>>>>> You're just talking trash.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a
>>>> worthwhile upgrade. :-)
>>>
>>> You mean the system you haven't heard but already know
>>> how it sounds?
>>
>> I have no idea how it sounds, but I know it isn't worth
>> listening to.
>>
>> I guess you missed that the first time.
>>
>>>
>>> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than a
>>> Volvo.
>>
>> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a
>> banana or a Volvo to know they're not worth listening to.

> You should use that as your sig line. It makes about as
> much sense as anything else you've said.

Which is, to most people, pretty good sense.

My mental image of Marc Phillips hooking a banana up to his much-vaunted
high end audio system of the week to hear what the banana sounds like is
pretty funny! Of course it is the image of Marc that provides most of the
humor, a morbidly fat man in sweats trying to do anything useful, without
covering everything in his trailer with his smelly prespiration.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:52:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
>
>
>> Here's a friendly tip Harry
>
> Stop lying, Arnold. None of your tips are friendly.

And lame gratuitous insults and lies like this fully justify how I treat RAO
trolls like you, Paul.

In fact I've provided more good technical help on RAO than any living human.
I've even shifted into friendly mode to help many of the RAO trolls in their
times of need. Needless to say, they turned around and bit the hand that
fed. Moral of story is that you don't pet poisonous snakes. If they stay
away, good for them. If they get in your way, off 'em early and often.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
>>>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
>>>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
>>>>> schtick.
>>>>
>>>> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
>>>
>>> Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it comes
>>> to the objectivist vs, subjectivists debates, it always
>>> turns out to be, underneath it all, a battle between the
>>> haves and the have-nots.
>>
>> With Boonie representing the have-maximum-BS and
>> have-not-brains.
>
> You know, Arny, I offered my services before to help you
> with your material. As long as the check clears, I won't
> tell a soul here.

Try selling it to Atkinson for more than half a free lunch 5 years ago. He's
more in your market than I am.

Remember Boonie-Boy, Lat year I hit Atkinson up for an all expenses-paid
airplane trip to NYC with two nights in a first-rate hotel, not half of a
stinkin' lunch you had to get to at your own expense. That pretty well puts
a fair price on our relative abilties to deliver relevant audio information.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> oups.com
>>>>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> >, Mr
>>>>>>>> Fox > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
>>>>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy
>>>>>>>>> actually receive a pair already?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
>>>>>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the
>>>>>>>> brochure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid
>>>>>>> and well-built, mostly. This does translate to
>>>>>>> deeper bass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
>>>>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
>>>>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
>>>>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those
>>>>>>> Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing
>>>>>>> drivers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
>>>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
>>>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
>>>>
>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
>>>>> schtick.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
>>>> trying to play the class card.
>>>
>>> And again, it's pretty ironic to note that you call me
>>> trailer trash, when the equity in my house over the last
>>> three years would buy yours outright.
>>
>> Easy to say, hard to prove. BTW is that equity your's or
>> the bank's?
>>
>> LOL!
>
> Do you know what "equity" means, Arny? And do you know
> it's "yours" and not "your's"?
>

IOW, the equity in Boonie's house belongs to the bank, not Boonie-boy. He
no doubt took the equity out to support his stereo habit.

Thanks for the true confession, Marc.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> >, Mr Fox
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
>>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually
>>>>>>> receive a pair already?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
>>>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
>>>>>
>>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid
>>>>> and well-built, mostly. This does translate to
>>>>> deeper bass.
>>>>>
>>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
>>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
>>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
>>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those
>>>>> Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
>>>>
>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
>>
>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll attack
>>> everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.
>>
>> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
>> trying to play the class card.
>
> Shopping cart! Shopping cart!
>
> LOL!

I guess that Boonie-Boy is looking for a stray shopping cart because the
stores in his 'hood keep them locked up in a cage so that the locals can't
steal them. Either that, or he really needs the deposit money back that they
demand before they let him use one.

[paul packer]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:17:39 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"paul packer" > wrote in message

>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:52:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Here's a friendly tip Harry
>>
>> Stop lying, Arnold. None of your tips are friendly.
>
>And lame gratuitous insults and lies like this fully justify how I treat RAO
>trolls like you, Paul.
>
>In fact I've provided more good technical help on RAO than any living human.
>I've even shifted into friendly mode to help many of the RAO trolls in their
>times of need. Needless to say, they turned around and bit the hand that
>fed. Moral of story is that you don't pet poisonous snakes. If they stay
>away, good for them. If they get in your way, off 'em early and often.


Hmmm...here's a familiar message from Arny: I did the right thing by
everyone else, I was a saint, and they shat on me. I'm the only decent
guy in the universe, all others are here merely to pretend to be my
friends and then turn on me, unless I get in first.

Sorry to tell you this, Arny, but that's paranoia. Get help
immediately.

[paul packer]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:23:31 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:


>Remember Boonie-Boy, Lat year I hit Atkinson up for an all expenses-paid
>airplane trip to NYC with two nights in a first-rate hotel, not half of a
>stinkin' lunch you had to get to at your own expense. That pretty well puts
>a fair price on our relative abilties to deliver relevant audio information.

Were there mushrooms growing in the hills where you took your
vacation, Arnie? I hope you checked what kind they were before woofing
them down.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:17:39 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
>
>> "paul packer" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:52:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here's a friendly tip Harry
>>>
>>> Stop lying, Arnold. None of your tips are friendly.
>>
>> And lame gratuitous insults and lies like this fully
>> justify how I treat RAO trolls like you, Paul.
>>
>> In fact I've provided more good technical help on RAO
>> than any living human. I've even shifted into friendly
>> mode to help many of the RAO trolls in their times of
>> need. Needless to say, they turned around and bit the
>> hand that fed. Moral of story is that you don't pet
>> poisonous snakes. If they stay away, good for them. If
>> they get in your way, off 'em early and often.
>
>
> Hmmm...here's a familiar message from Arny: I did the
> right thing by everyone else, I was a saint, and they
> shat on me.

I've never been a saint, Paul. I've had a sharp tongue for my whole life.

> I'm the only decent guy in the universe, all
> others are here merely to pretend to be my friends and
> then turn on me, unless I get in first.

Sounds like something that Paul or Jenn would say. Especially Jenn. In fact,
I think Jenn just recently posted something like this, didn't she?

> Sorry to tell you this, Arny, but that's paranoia.

Good diagnosis of you and Jenn, Paul.

> Get help immediately.

Good advice for you and Jenn to follow, I guess.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "paul packer" > wrote in message
>
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:17:39 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "paul packer" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:52:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Here's a friendly tip Harry
> >>>
> >>> Stop lying, Arnold. None of your tips are friendly.
> >>
> >> And lame gratuitous insults and lies like this fully
> >> justify how I treat RAO trolls like you, Paul.
> >>
> >> In fact I've provided more good technical help on RAO
> >> than any living human. I've even shifted into friendly
> >> mode to help many of the RAO trolls in their times of
> >> need. Needless to say, they turned around and bit the
> >> hand that fed. Moral of story is that you don't pet
> >> poisonous snakes. If they stay away, good for them. If
> >> they get in your way, off 'em early and often.
> >
> >
> > Hmmm...here's a familiar message from Arny: I did the
> > right thing by everyone else, I was a saint, and they
> > shat on me.
>
> I've never been a saint, Paul. I've had a sharp tongue for my whole life.
>
> > I'm the only decent guy in the universe, all
> > others are here merely to pretend to be my friends and
> > then turn on me, unless I get in first.
>
> Sounds like something that Paul or Jenn would say. Especially Jenn. In fact,
> I think Jenn just recently posted something like this, didn't she?

No. But you're "free" to point out such a statement by me.

>
> > Sorry to tell you this, Arny, but that's paranoia.
>
> Good diagnosis of you and Jenn, Paul.

In what way do I show paranoia, Arny?

>
> > Get help immediately.
>
> Good advice for you and Jenn to follow, I guess.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700, wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
> >>>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
> >>>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
> >>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
> >>>>> schtick.
> >>>>
> >>>> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
> >>>
> >>> Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it comes
> >>> to the objectivist vs, subjectivists debates, it always
> >>> turns out to be, underneath it all, a battle between the
> >>> haves and the have-nots.
> >>
> >> With Boonie representing the have-maximum-BS and
> >> have-not-brains.
> >
> > You know, Arny, I offered my services before to help you
> > with your material. As long as the check clears, I won't
> > tell a soul here.
>
> Try selling it to Atkinson for more than half a free lunch 5 years ago. He's
> more in your market than I am.
>
> Remember Boonie-Boy, Lat year I hit Atkinson up for an all expenses-paid
> airplane trip to NYC with two nights in a first-rate hotel, not half of a
> stinkin' lunch you had to get to at your own expense. That pretty well puts
> a fair price on our relative abilties to deliver relevant audio information.

Remember, Arny, right now I write for three different publications
about audio. You write for, well...Usenet. That pretty well puts a
fair price on our relative abilities to deliver audio information.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 10 Oct 2006 11:41:47 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> I just won't know until I listen to it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current
> >>>>> system, is it manditory that one listen to every $5
> >>>>> AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course not!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You're just talking trash.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a
> >>>> worthwhile upgrade. :-)
> >>>
> >>> You mean the system you haven't heard but already know
> >>> how it sounds?
> >>
> >> I have no idea how it sounds, but I know it isn't worth
> >> listening to.
> >>
> >> I guess you missed that the first time.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than a
> >>> Volvo.
> >>
> >> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a
> >> banana or a Volvo to know they're not worth listening to.
>
> > You should use that as your sig line. It makes about as
> > much sense as anything else you've said.
>
> Which is, to most people, pretty good sense.
>
> My mental image of Marc Phillips hooking a banana up to his much-vaunted
> high end audio system of the week to hear what the banana sounds like is
> pretty funny! Of course it is the image of Marc that provides most of the
> humor, a morbidly fat man in sweats trying to do anything useful, without
> covering everything in his trailer with his smelly prespiration.

And you call me delusional!

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> > wrote in message
> >>>> oups.com
> >>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>>>> > wrote in message
> >>>>>> oups.com
> >>>>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>> >, Mr
> >>>>>>>> Fox > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
> >>>>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy
> >>>>>>>>> actually receive a pair already?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
> >>>>>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the
> >>>>>>>> brochure.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid
> >>>>>>> and well-built, mostly. This does translate to
> >>>>>>> deeper bass.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
> >>>>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
> >>>>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
> >>>>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those
> >>>>>>> Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing
> >>>>>>> drivers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
> >>>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
> >>>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
> >>>>
> >>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
> >>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
> >>>>> schtick.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
> >>>> trying to play the class card.
> >>>
> >>> And again, it's pretty ironic to note that you call me
> >>> trailer trash, when the equity in my house over the last
> >>> three years would buy yours outright.
> >>
> >> Easy to say, hard to prove. BTW is that equity your's or
> >> the bank's?
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >
> > Do you know what "equity" means, Arny? And do you know
> > it's "yours" and not "your's"?
> >
>
> IOW, the equity in Boonie's house belongs to the bank, not Boonie-boy. He
> no doubt took the equity out to support his stereo habit.
>
> Thanks for the true confession, Marc.

Are you my loan officer? Or are you making stuff up again out of thin
air?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way. Everyone, including you,
knows the answer.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> > wrote in message
> >>>> oups.com
> >>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
> >>>>>> In article
> >>>>>> >, Mr Fox
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
> >>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy actually
> >>>>>>> receive a pair already?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
> >>>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the brochure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid
> >>>>> and well-built, mostly. This does translate to
> >>>>> deeper bass.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
> >>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
> >>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
> >>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those
> >>>>> Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing drivers.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
> >>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
> >>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
> >>
> >>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll attack
> >>> everyone who has better taste than me!" schtick.
> >>
> >> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
> >> trying to play the class card.
> >
> > Shopping cart! Shopping cart!
> >
> > LOL!
>
> I guess that Boonie-Boy is looking for a stray shopping cart because the
> stores in his 'hood keep them locked up in a cage so that the locals can't
> steal them. Either that, or he really needs the deposit money back that they
> demand before they let him use one.

Not at all. I'm just reminding you of how bleak your past, present and
future are. Spending all your time on Usenet will do that to a person.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com
>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>> On 10 Oct 2006 11:41:47 -0700,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just won't know until I listen to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current
>>>>>>> system, is it manditory that one listen to every $5
>>>>>>> AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course not!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're just talking trash.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a
>>>>>> worthwhile upgrade. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean the system you haven't heard but already know
>>>>> how it sounds?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how it sounds, but I know it isn't worth
>>>> listening to.
>>>>
>>>> I guess you missed that the first time.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than
>>>>> a Volvo.
>>>>
>>>> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a
>>>> banana or a Volvo to know they're not worth listening
>>>> to.
>>
>>> You should use that as your sig line. It makes about as
>>> much sense as anything else you've said.
>>
>> Which is, to most people, pretty good sense.
>>
>> My mental image of Marc Phillips hooking a banana up to
>> his much-vaunted high end audio system of the week to
>> hear what the banana sounds like is pretty funny! Of
>> course it is the image of Marc that provides most of
>> the humor, a morbidly fat man in sweats trying to do
>> anything useful, without covering everything in his
>> trailer with his smelly prespiration.
>
> And you call me delusional!

Thanks Marc for showing that you don't know what delusional is. That
explains an awful lot and I do mean awful lot.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>>>> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700,
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You
>>>>>>>> never lived until you heard a Yammakwaski
>>>>>>>> Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer
>>>>>>>> power amp" schtick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
>>>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
>>>>>>> schtick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it
>>>>> comes to the objectivist vs, subjectivists debates,
>>>>> it always turns out to be, underneath it all, a
>>>>> battle between the haves and the have-nots.
>>>>
>>>> With Boonie representing the have-maximum-BS and
>>>> have-not-brains.
>>>
>>> You know, Arny, I offered my services before to help you
>>> with your material. As long as the check clears, I
>>> won't tell a soul here.
>>
>> Try selling it to Atkinson for more than half a free
>> lunch 5 years ago. He's more in your market than I am.
>>
>> Remember Boonie-Boy, Lat year I hit Atkinson up for an
>> all expenses-paid airplane trip to NYC with two nights
>> in a first-rate hotel, not half of a stinkin' lunch you
>> had to get to at your own expense. That pretty well puts
>> a fair price on our relative abilties to deliver
>> relevant audio information.
>
> Remember, Arny, right now I write for three different
> publications about audio.

I need a good laugh - name them.

> You write for, well...Usenet.

Writing isn't my life.

> That pretty well puts a fair price on our relative
> abilities to deliver audio information.

Let's hear about the cash receipts from those 3 pubs.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ps.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> oups.com
>>>>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> >, Mr
>>>>>>>> Fox > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
>>>>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy
>>>>>>>>> actually receive a pair already?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
>>>>>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the
>>>>>>>> brochure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid
>>>>>>> and well-built, mostly. This does translate to
>>>>>>> deeper bass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
>>>>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
>>>>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
>>>>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those
>>>>>>> Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing
>>>>>>> drivers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
>>>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
>>>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
>>>>
>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
>>>>> schtick.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
>>>> trying to play the class card.
>>>
>>> Shopping cart! Shopping cart!
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>
>> I guess that Boonie-Boy is looking for a stray shopping
>> cart because the stores in his 'hood keep them locked up
>> in a cage so that the locals can't steal them. Either
>> that, or he really needs the deposit money back that
>> they demand before they let him use one.
>
> Not at all. I'm just reminding you of how bleak your
> past, present and future are. Spending all your time on
> Usenet will do that to a person.

Then stay away, Marc.

[Mr Fox]

On 11 Oct 2006 09:48:19 -0700, wrote:

>Remember, Arny, right now I write for three different publications
>about audio. You write for, well...Usenet.

Yeah but he does it for free.
Can you imagine a greater act of human kindness?
or Tragedy.

[Mr Fox]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:01:17 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> You write for, well...Usenet.
>
>Writing isn't my life.

What do you do besides wrting on Usenet?
What is your job title, or registered name of your business?

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

> On 10 Oct 2006 16:54:42 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>> Objectivist vs. subjectivist debate aside, you're lying
>> down with dogs here when you associate with Arny. Think
>> about your family and ask yourself if they would approve.
>
> I don't associate with Arny, unless you consider sharing
> some of the same opinions and knowledge to be
> "associating."
>
> Why did you feel the need to bring up Arny anyway?

Marc has been obsessed with me for years.

> I certainly wasn't talking about him, nor had I mentioned
> him.

True, but apparently whenever Marc talks to someone who is a lot smarter
than he is, Marc thinks of me.

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:

> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> What I said in reply to that was:
>
> "He's a liar."

Got it, Stu.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2006 17:01:26 -0700, wrote:
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than a Volvo.
> >>
> >> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a banana or a
> >> Volvo to know they're not worth listening to.
> >
> >You should use that as your sig line. It makes about as much sense as
> >anything else you've said.
> >
>
> Are you now going to argue that one must audition the banana before
> knowing whether it sounds good or not?
>
> Maybe Zu will wire a banana with silver wire and sell it to you? That
> out to be really good-sounding. It's a full-range banana too, so
> you'll love it.

Dude, you got stupid with this two days ago. If you start regressing
back to baby-talk, I'm not sure if we'll be able to keep this
conversation going.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On 10 Oct 2006 17:01:26 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than
>>>>> a Volvo.
>>>>
>>>> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a
>>>> banana or a Volvo to know they're not worth listening
>>>> to.
>>>
>>> You should use that as your sig line. It makes about
>>> as much sense as anything else you've said.
>>>
>>
>> Are you now going to argue that one must audition the
>> banana before knowing whether it sounds good or not?
>>
>> Maybe Zu will wire a banana with silver wire and sell it
>> to you? That out to be really good-sounding. It's a
>> full-range banana too, so you'll love it.
>
> Dude, you got stupid with this two days ago. If you
> start regressing back to baby-talk, I'm not sure if we'll
> be able to keep this conversation going.

He should be so lucky as to be boycotted by you, Marc. While you're at it,
why not forget about posting responses to me, as well.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ups.com
> >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>> On 10 Oct 2006 11:41:47 -0700,
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I just won't know until I listen to it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current
> >>>>>>> system, is it manditory that one listen to every $5
> >>>>>>> AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course not!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You're just talking trash.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might be a
> >>>>>> worthwhile upgrade. :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You mean the system you haven't heard but already know
> >>>>> how it sounds?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have no idea how it sounds, but I know it isn't worth
> >>>> listening to.
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess you missed that the first time.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than
> >>>>> a Volvo.
> >>>>
> >>>> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a
> >>>> banana or a Volvo to know they're not worth listening
> >>>> to.
> >>
> >>> You should use that as your sig line. It makes about as
> >>> much sense as anything else you've said.
> >>
> >> Which is, to most people, pretty good sense.
> >>
> >> My mental image of Marc Phillips hooking a banana up to
> >> his much-vaunted high end audio system of the week to
> >> hear what the banana sounds like is pretty funny! Of
> >> course it is the image of Marc that provides most of
> >> the humor, a morbidly fat man in sweats trying to do
> >> anything useful, without covering everything in his
> >> trailer with his smelly prespiration.
> >
> > And you call me delusional!
>
> Thanks Marc for showing that you don't know what delusional is. That
> explains an awful lot and I do mean awful lot.

You know, I've looked at your posts from the last few days, and all I
can think about is how easily you've rolled over and self-destructed
this time. Your only real weapon, it seems, is trying to keep me
around by baiting me about my exit strategy. Usually, my exit strategy
is something like this...not a lot is happening around here, I get
bored, I leave. Somehow, in your mind you equate this to "winning."

It comes down to this, Arny. Once again, you have lost argument after
argument against me, so you make up things about me, absolute lies, and
try to engage me that way. It's symptomatic of your need for
attention. You may squawk when I leave, but in reality, it's you
begging me to stay around, because I give you attention. Howard was
the same way, except that he was smart enough to leave when his ass got
kicked. You, however, stay, day after day, week after week, year after
year, and as you approach your second decade of exercising your
masochistic tendencies on Usenet, it becomes more painfully obvious
that you're a lost soul, a man who is no longer a man, but a ghost.

So, do you really want me to hang around and say, "Prove that I'm
trailer trash!"? I mean, really? I really think it's a waste of my
time. I beat you into submission years ago, and I know it's not the
first time I've used this analogy, but you really are the knight in
"Monty Python and the Holy Grail" who has his arms and legs cut off and
still wants to fight. Every year you spend here, Arny, you get dumber.
You get more desperate. You get more pathetic. And it's not like I
have to prove it to anyone. Everyone here knows.

People here almost tolerate you now. They know you'll never go away,
so they humor you, they tease you, or they ignore you. But there isn't
a single person here who feels compelled to engage in the "debating
trade" with you. Once in a while a newbie flutters by like a insect
caught in a spider's web. They always seem to get out rather easily,
though.

This is your life, though. You're here for good. Trapped. You'll
never get out.

Good for you! You've succeeded!

Boon

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:


>Yup, Harry thinks this is the only vinyl system I've ever listened to in my
>life.


But it's probably the *best* analog setup you've ever listened to ;-)

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ups.com
>>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2006 11:41:47 -0700,
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just won't know until I listen to it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're looking for an upgrade to your current
>>>>>>>>> system, is it manditory that one listen to every
>>>>>>>>> $5 AM/FM radio as a possible upgrade?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course not!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're just talking trash.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given his current system, a $5 AM/FM radio might
>>>>>>>> be a worthwhile upgrade. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean the system you haven't heard but already
>>>>>>> know how it sounds?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea how it sounds, but I know it isn't
>>>>>> worth listening to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you missed that the first time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better
>>>>>>> than a Volvo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a
>>>>>> banana or a Volvo to know they're not worth listening
>>>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>>> You should use that as your sig line. It makes about
>>>>> as much sense as anything else you've said.
>>>>
>>>> Which is, to most people, pretty good sense.
>>>>
>>>> My mental image of Marc Phillips hooking a banana up to
>>>> his much-vaunted high end audio system of the week to
>>>> hear what the banana sounds like is pretty funny! Of
>>>> course it is the image of Marc that provides most of
>>>> the humor, a morbidly fat man in sweats trying to do
>>>> anything useful, without covering everything in his
>>>> trailer with his smelly prespiration.
>>>
>>> And you call me delusional!
>>
>> Thanks Marc for showing that you don't know what
>> delusional is. That explains an awful lot and I do mean
>> awful lot.
>
> You know, I've looked at your posts from the last few
> days, and all I can think about is how easily you've
> rolled over and self-destructed this time. Your only
> real weapon, it seems, is trying to keep me around by
> baiting me about my exit strategy. Usually, my exit
> strategy is something like this...not a lot is happening
> around here, I get bored, I leave. Somehow, in your mind
> you equate this to "winning."

Boy there's a lot of delusion and paranoia in that paragraph.

In reality, I could care if you stay or go.

> It comes down to this, Arny. Once again, you have lost
> argument after argument against me, so you make up things
> about me, absolute lies, and try to engage me that way.

I fail to recall where you ever said anything substantial enough to be
called an argument. I get a feeling that you are like those guys who go
around to stop lights, rev their engines, burn out, and then brag about all
the drag races they won. Is that a problem with WRX owners?

> It's symptomatic of your need for attention.

As if your post right here isn't a big plea for my attention?

> You may
> squawk when I leave, but in reality, it's you begging me
> to stay around, because I give you attention.

Hmm, seems like the number of cogent replies from you have been about
negligable.

> Howard was
> the same way, except that he was smart enough to leave
> when his ass got kicked. You, however, stay, day after
> day, week after week, year after year, and as you
> approach your second decade of exercising your
> masochistic tendencies on Usenet, it becomes more
> painfully obvious that you're a lost soul, a man who is
> no longer a man, but a ghost.

That has a kind of neat ring to it, Marc. Save it up, maybe polish it a bit
and see if it fits into your next Vinyl Idiocy web article.

<snip remaining hot air>

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
>>> What I said in reply to that was:
>>>
>>> "He's a liar."
>>
>> Got it, Stu.
>
> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
> you failed to support before.
>
> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.

That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.

You might find this interesting:

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>
> > On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>
> >>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> >>> What I said in reply to that was:
> >>>
> >>> "He's a liar."
> >>
> >> Got it, Stu.
> >
> > So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
> > you failed to support before.
> >
> > Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
>
> That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
>
> You might find this interesting:
>
> http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/

Wow...I'm stunning, considering how badly this backfired for you the
last time you posted this picture. Basically, you're asking people to
choose between a child pornographer (you), and someone who was
overweight (me). That's when Bill Watkins bailed for good. And then
we had Richard Malesweski jumping in, calling me Porky for quite some
time, and when we finally posted some pictures of him, he was a
pot-bellied little creep that probably weighed more than me.

I guess what's even funnier is that I stood right in front of you at
the Stereophile show, and you looked right at me. You didn't recognize
me. So, I'd say it's time to get a more recent photo.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>
> >> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> >>>> What I said in reply to that was:
> >>>>
> >>>> "He's a liar."
> >>>
> >>> Got it, Stu.
> >>
> >> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
> >> you failed to support before.
> >>
> >> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
> >
> >That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
> >
> >You might find this interesting:
> >
> >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/
> >
>
> Yeah well... not really. I don't care what he looks like.

Thank you, Stu. I actually respect you a lot now.

The picture, however, has an interesting back story. I saw that
picture of me back in 2002 and said "Holy Christ! Look at that fat
*******!" And I did something about it. So I didn't really mind when
I took some ribbing over that photo. It motivated me to stay on course
and get healthy.

When that picture was taken, I was the heaviest I ever was in my life,
about 240 lbs. I was also diabetic. In 1999, before I was diagnosed,
I weighed 187, and was pretty healthy, other than the diabetes, which I
didn't know I had. Turns out, the doctors put me on a diabetic drug
that slowed down my metabolism, and I started gaining weight the day I
left the hospital. I finally got another doctor, who put me on a
different med, and the weight slowly came back off.

I'm sure you don't care about any of this, but I just wanted to say
that every time Arny posts that picture, I secretly thank him, because
it prompts me to stay the course with my health!

Boon

[John Atkinson]

Jenn wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > "paul packer" > wrote in message
> >
> > > Sorry to tell you this, Arny, but that's paranoia.
> >
> > Good diagnosis of you and Jenn, Paul.
>
> In what way do I show paranoia, Arny?

I am shocked, shocked, that you would attack poor
Arny Krueger in such a gratuitous manner, Jenn.
Shocked! :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
(Whose recordings of trumpets do feature _real_ trumpets)

[Jenn]

In article om>,
wrote:

> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
> >
> > >> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> > >>>> What I said in reply to that was:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "He's a liar."
> > >>>
> > >>> Got it, Stu.
> > >>
> > >> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
> > >> you failed to support before.
> > >>
> > >> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
> > >
> > >That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
> > >
> > >You might find this interesting:
> > >
> > >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/
> > >
> >
> > Yeah well... not really. I don't care what he looks like.
>
> Thank you, Stu. I actually respect you a lot now.

Why would anyone care how anyone else looks? I don't get it.

[Jenn]

In article om>,
"John Atkinson" > wrote:

> Jenn wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > "paul packer" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > > Sorry to tell you this, Arny, but that's paranoia.
> > >
> > > Good diagnosis of you and Jenn, Paul.
> >
> > In what way do I show paranoia, Arny?
>
> I am shocked, shocked, that you would attack poor
> Arny Krueger in such a gratuitous manner, Jenn.
> Shocked! :-)

It's because I'm an "elitist" John. Don't ever forget that.
;-)

[John Atkinson]

Jenn wrote:
> In article om>,
> "John Atkinson" > wrote:
> > Jenn wrote:
> > > In what way do I show paranoia, Arny?
> >
> > I am shocked, shocked, that you would attack poor
> > Arny Krueger in such a gratuitous manner, Jenn.
> > Shocked! :-)
>
> It's because I'm an "elitist" John. Don't ever forget that.
> ;-)

I guess so, apparently claiming that all those years of
education, training, and experience led to you knowing
more about music and the sounds of musical instruments
than poor Arny. Why, even to express your preference for
LP over CD is a vicious attack, as it might call into
question Arny's pronouncements on r.a.o. LOtS!

How _could_ you Jenn? Are you so lacking in compassion?
:-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> Why would anyone care how anyone else looks? I don't get it.

If you looked like Krooger, you might be desperate to raise your own
self-esteem a tad.

http://krooborg.notlong.com

mm-hm! ug-LEE!





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> > > In what way do I show paranoia, Arny?

> > I am shocked, shocked, that you would attack poor
> > Arny Krueger in such a gratuitous manner, Jenn.
> > Shocked! :-)

> It's because I'm an "elitist" John. Don't ever forget that.

Not really.

> ;-)

LOt"S.


--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[[email protected]]

Jenn wrote:
> In article om>,
> wrote:
>
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > >> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> > > >>>> What I said in reply to that was:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "He's a liar."
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Got it, Stu.
> > > >>
> > > >> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
> > > >> you failed to support before.
> > > >>
> > > >> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
> > > >
> > > >That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
> > > >
> > > >You might find this interesting:
> > > >
> > > >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah well... not really. I don't care what he looks like.
> >
> > Thank you, Stu. I actually respect you a lot now.
>
> Why would anyone care how anyone else looks? I don't get it.

Wow. RAO has gotten better.

Boon

[Jenn]

In article m>,
wrote:

> Jenn wrote:
> > In article om>,
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > >> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> > > > >>>> What I said in reply to that was:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> "He's a liar."
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Got it, Stu.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
> > > > >> you failed to support before.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
> > > > >
> > > > >That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
> > > > >
> > > > >You might find this interesting:
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah well... not really. I don't care what he looks like.
> > >
> > > Thank you, Stu. I actually respect you a lot now.
> >
> > Why would anyone care how anyone else looks? I don't get it.
>
> Wow. RAO has gotten better.
>
> Boon

Seriously, I consider criticism of another's appearance to be the most
inane form of comment. WTF does it matter? Of all human traits,
appearance has to be the least important.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 10 Oct 2006 17:01:26 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Based on your logic, a banana might sound better than
> >>>>> a Volvo.
> >>>>
> >>>> Based on my logic, I know I don't need to listen to a
> >>>> banana or a Volvo to know they're not worth listening
> >>>> to.
> >>>
> >>> You should use that as your sig line. It makes about
> >>> as much sense as anything else you've said.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you now going to argue that one must audition the
> >> banana before knowing whether it sounds good or not?
> >>
> >> Maybe Zu will wire a banana with silver wire and sell it
> >> to you? That out to be really good-sounding. It's a
> >> full-range banana too, so you'll love it.
> >
> > Dude, you got stupid with this two days ago. If you
> > start regressing back to baby-talk, I'm not sure if we'll
> > be able to keep this conversation going.
>
> He should be so lucky as to be boycotted by you, Marc. While you're at it,
> why not forget about posting responses to me, as well.

Boy, I've never seen you surrender like this. Sounds to me like maybe
Stuart took my advice and looked up your history on RAO in regards to
the child pornography. And then he watched as you posted and old photo
of me that was supposed to be some sort of retort to what I had posted.
Then, like Bill Watkins before him, he saw you in a new light. He
realized you were an Internet whack-job.

Boon

[Jenn]

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > Why would anyone care how anyone else looks? I don't get it.
>
> If you looked like Krooger, you might be desperate to raise your own
> self-esteem a tad.
>
> http://krooborg.notlong.com
>
> mm-hm! ug-LEE!

I say again: who cares?

[Mr Fox]

On 11 Oct 2006 14:47:57 -0700, wrote:

>then
>we had Richard Malesweski jumping in, calling me Porky for quite some
>time, and when we finally posted some pictures of him, he was a
>pot-bellied little creep that probably weighed more than me.

Dicky says he last posted here 2000;;









wrote:

snipped

rec.audio.opinion, eh?

Perhaps a little background is in order:

I did post to RAO at one time, but always under my own name. My last
post was, IIRC, around the end of '99/beginning of 2000. Last year, I
had a reason to take a look at RAO and how my name was being smeared
there. Pretty amazing how people will make things up out of whole
cloth. Are they insane, or just vicious?

Instead of looking at what happened to my name on RAO, let's look at
what happened to some other people, all respected professionals with
verifible identities. Then you can decide how much weight to accord
what goes on on RAO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
First up is Howard Ferstler. Howard is a well known audio/video writer
and reviewer. Here's his bio:

http://tinyurl.com/qvewa

You can contact Howard at:

ferstler /at/ att.global/dot/net

and ask him about RAO

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Next up is James "Jim" Johnston. "jj" is a leading fiure in the world
of audio codecs. Formerly with Bell Labs, he now is with Microsoft.
His
bio:

http://tinyurl.com/le2wc

You can probably contact jj through MS and ask him about RAO.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Next is Arnold Krueger. "Arny" is a well known figure in the audio
world and was a featured guest at the Stereophile-sponsered "HE2005"
a/v show last year.

Here's his website:

http://tinyurl.com/pbzp2

There's a contact link for Arny on the site. Ask him about RAO.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------0

Lastly, we have Bill Watkins. Bill was the inventor of the
Infinity-Watkins Dual Drive woofer, "sound muffs" and other
innovations. Here is his website:

http://tinyurl.com/p2esc

Ask Bill about his RAO "experiences".

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RAO is a cesspool, full of accusations of criminal activity,
sockpuppetry, necrophilia, pedophilia and worse. People who haven't
posted in years are accused of using "sockpuppets" whenever a new
poster shows their face. The driving force behind this insanity is an
anonymous person (or persons) posting under the name "George M.
Middius". Here are a few examples of what this entity posts on RAO:

(to help decode the babble, I will recluctantly post this:

Middius refers to Howard ferstler as "clerkie", to Jim Johnston as
"phoebe", witchy" and the "telco witch", to Arny Krueger as "Arnii",
"Krooger' and several other names and, finally, to Bill Watkins as
"Booby Wumpkins".)

And now, some samples of what goes on on RAO:

http://tinyurl.com/pu8jv

http://tinyurl.com/osk63

http://tinyurl.com/qs8lu

http://tinyurl.com/llrok

http://tinyurl.com/nsrbo

How much credibility would you give anything this "person" and his
cohorts post on Usenet, or anywhere else?

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

> > If you looked like Krooger, you might be desperate to raise your own
> > self-esteem a tad.

> > http://krooborg.notlong.com

> > mm-hm! ug-LEE!

> I say again: who cares?

You don't look like Krooger, I take it.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com

Bonnie calls to us from his alternative universe:

> Basically, you're asking people to choose between a child
> pornographer (you), and someone who was overweight (me).

Not at all. I'm not asking anybody to choose anybody, or not. This is
paranoid prattle at the junior high school level of social development.

> That's when Bill Watkins bailed for good.

That's your imagination runing wild, Boonie boy. Zillions of people have
bailed from RAO, mostly because of the sort of weirdness that you seem to
want to revil in. Believe it or not, not everybody is out to get you.

> And then we had Richard Malesweski jumping in, calling me Porky for
> quite some time, and when we finally posted some pictures
> of him, he was a pot-bellied little creep that probably
> weighed more than me.

Words of someone who is both self-centered and paranoid.

> I guess what's even funnier is that I stood right in
> front of you at the Stereophile show, and you looked
> right at me. You didn't recognize me.

That has a lot to do with not looking at the photo of you a very long time
before that. I also had bigger fish to fry.

> So, I'd say it's time to get a more recent photo.

After you.

[Mr Fox]

On 12 Oct 2006 00:57:44 +0200, Mr Fox > wrote:

>On 11 Oct 2006 14:47:57 -0700, wrote:
>

dick wrote:

let's look at
>what happened to some other people, all respected professionals with
>verifible identities.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Arny" is a well known figure in the audio
>world and was a featured guest at the Stereophile-sponsered "HE2005"
>a/v show last year.
>



"Respected professional";
"known figure";
"featured guest".

So what does he actually do? That's all im asking.

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> >> What I said in reply to that was:
> >>
> >> "He's a liar."
> >
> >Got it, Stu.
>
> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that you failed
> to support before.
>
> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.

Well, Stuart, tell me how this compares to you saying that I live in a
"trailor," when you have no idea where I live.

The fact that you're objecting to me here qualifies as hypocrisy, don't
you think?

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
>
> Bonnie calls to us from his alternative universe:
>
> > Basically, you're asking people to choose between a child
> > pornographer (you), and someone who was overweight (me).
>
> Not at all. I'm not asking anybody to choose anybody, or not. This is
> paranoid prattle at the junior high school level of social development.

I'm glad you admit it. Again, you like to make things up and pass them
off as fact; I use the great material you give me.

>
> > That's when Bill Watkins bailed for good.
>
> That's your imagination runing wild, Boonie boy. Zillions of people have
> bailed from RAO, mostly because of the sort of weirdness that you seem to
> want to revil in. Believe it or not, not everybody is out to get you.

Nope...Bill Watkin's leaving was a direct result of me showing him all
of the Google references to your little kiddie porn escapade. He was
all buddy-buddy with you until he saw those posts. Then he left
abruptly.

>
> > And then we had Richard Malesweski jumping in, calling me Porky for
> > quite some time, and when we finally posted some pictures
> > of him, he was a pot-bellied little creep that probably
> > weighed more than me.
>
> Words of someone who is both self-centered and paranoid.

Yes, he was. And when we posted the pictures of him, basically
revealing his gross hypocrisy, he too disappeared.

>
> > I guess what's even funnier is that I stood right in
> > front of you at the Stereophile show, and you looked
> > right at me. You didn't recognize me.
>
> That has a lot to do with not looking at the photo of you a very long time
> before that. I also had bigger fish to fry.

I had a name tag, too. I even said hi. You, however, looked like a
deer in the spotlight.

>
> > So, I'd say it's time to get a more recent photo.
>
> After you.

After me what? Tell you what...I'll see if I can get my picture taken
at the RMAF in a couple of weeks. Then you can post that one.

Boon

[paul packer]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:21:27 -0400, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>Jenn said:
>
>> Why would anyone care how anyone else looks? I don't get it.
>
>If you looked like Krooger, you might be desperate to raise your own
>self-esteem a tad.
>
>http://krooborg.notlong.com
>
>mm-hm! ug-LEE!

You should be thankful it's just a sketch impression.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

> >If you looked like Krooger, you might be desperate to raise your own
> >self-esteem a tad.
> >http://krooborg.notlong.com
> >mm-hm! ug-LEE!

> You should be thankful it's just a sketch impression.

There's a photo of the ****ty One on Carlstrom's aBxism worship site that
really defines skin-crawlingly ooky.



--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> > wrote in message
> >>>> oups.com
> >>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>>>> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700,
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You
> >>>>>>>> never lived until you heard a Yammakwaski
> >>>>>>>> Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer
> >>>>>>>> power amp" schtick.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
> >>>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
> >>>>>>> schtick.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it
> >>>>> comes to the objectivist vs, subjectivists debates,
> >>>>> it always turns out to be, underneath it all, a
> >>>>> battle between the haves and the have-nots.
> >>>>
> >>>> With Boonie representing the have-maximum-BS and
> >>>> have-not-brains.
> >>>
> >>> You know, Arny, I offered my services before to help you
> >>> with your material. As long as the check clears, I
> >>> won't tell a soul here.
> >>
> >> Try selling it to Atkinson for more than half a free
> >> lunch 5 years ago. He's more in your market than I am.
> >>
> >> Remember Boonie-Boy, Lat year I hit Atkinson up for an
> >> all expenses-paid airplane trip to NYC with two nights
> >> in a first-rate hotel, not half of a stinkin' lunch you
> >> had to get to at your own expense. That pretty well puts
> >> a fair price on our relative abilties to deliver
> >> relevant audio information.
> >
> > Remember, Arny, right now I write for three different
> > publications about audio.
>
> I need a good laugh - name them.

I already did. (Oh, I'm sorry..."asked and answered.") In fact, I
provided URLs for them almost the minute I got here.
>
> > You write for, well...Usenet.
>
> Writing isn't my life.

Nope. Posting on Usenet is your life. We've seen the math.

>
> > That pretty well puts a fair price on our relative
> > abilities to deliver audio information.
>
> Let's hear about the cash receipts from those 3 pubs.

They pay by check, for starters.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Mr Fox wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:01:17 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> >> You write for, well...Usenet.
> >
> >Writing isn't my life.
>
> What do you do besides wrting on Usenet?
> What is your job title, or registered name of your business?

Well, I've learned that talking too much about your personal life on
RAO is always a big mistake. But if you're curious about what I'm
doing, feel free to e-mail me.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2006 16:54:42 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Objectivist vs. subjectivist debate aside, you're lying down with dogs
> >here when you associate with Arny. Think about your family and ask
> >yourself if they would approve.
>
> I don't associate with Arny, unless you consider sharing some of the
> same opinions and knowledge to be "associating."
>
> Why did you feel the need to bring up Arny anyway? I certainly wasn't
> talking about him, nor had I mentioned him.

Again, you are adopting his habit of making up things about me out of
thin air in lieu of an actual argument, and you are interacting with
him favorably in these threads. When you two pat each other on the
back for your lies, I'm going to cut your hands off, in a figurative
sense, of course.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>
> > On 10 Oct 2006 16:54:42 -0700, wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Objectivist vs. subjectivist debate aside, you're lying
> >> down with dogs here when you associate with Arny. Think
> >> about your family and ask yourself if they would approve.
> >
> > I don't associate with Arny, unless you consider sharing
> > some of the same opinions and knowledge to be
> > "associating."
> >
> > Why did you feel the need to bring up Arny anyway?
>
> Marc has been obsessed with me for years.

And yet my posting patterns, in your words, are sporadic at best.

>
> > I certainly wasn't talking about him, nor had I mentioned
> > him.
>
> True, but apparently whenever Marc talks to someone who is a lot smarter
> than he is, Marc thinks of me.

I actually do charity work in a mental hospital. I sometimes think of
you all day.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ps.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> > wrote in message
> >>>> oups.com
> >>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>>>> > wrote in message
> >>>>>> oups.com
> >>>>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>> >, Mr
> >>>>>>>> Fox > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
> >>>>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy
> >>>>>>>>> actually receive a pair already?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the 'old'
> >>>>>>>> Quads! but all I know is what I read in the
> >>>>>>>> brochure.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more solid
> >>>>>>> and well-built, mostly. This does translate to
> >>>>>>> deeper bass.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
> >>>>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
> >>>>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
> >>>>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or those
> >>>>>>> Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing
> >>>>>>> drivers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You never
> >>>>>> lived until you heard a Yammakwaski Nightengale power
> >>>>>> amp driven by a Kruzenjammer power amp" schtick.
> >>>>
> >>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
> >>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
> >>>>> schtick.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
> >>>> trying to play the class card.
> >>>
> >>> Shopping cart! Shopping cart!
> >>>
> >>> LOL!
> >>
> >> I guess that Boonie-Boy is looking for a stray shopping
> >> cart because the stores in his 'hood keep them locked up
> >> in a cage so that the locals can't steal them. Either
> >> that, or he really needs the deposit money back that
> >> they demand before they let him use one.
> >
> > Not at all. I'm just reminding you of how bleak your
> > past, present and future are. Spending all your time on
> > Usenet will do that to a person.
>
> Then stay away, Marc.

By your own admission, I do.

Boon

[paul packer]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:02:32 -0400, Stuart Krivis
> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

>>> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
>>>>> What I said in reply to that was:
>>>>>
>>>>> "He's a liar."
>>>>
>>>> Got it, Stu.
>>>
>>> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
>>> you failed to support before.
>>>
>>> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
>>
>>That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
>>
>>You might find this interesting:
>>
>>http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/
>>
>
>Yeah well... not really. I don't care what he looks like.


Well, I don't really care either, but I can't help wondering if the
food Marc has in front of him is the kind he should be eating.

Mind you, I'm 16 stone myself and loooove ice cream and lollies.

[paul packer]

On 11 Oct 2006 14:54:37 -0700, wrote:

>
>Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>>
>> >> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
>> >>>> What I said in reply to that was:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "He's a liar."
>> >>>
>> >>> Got it, Stu.
>> >>
>> >> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
>> >> you failed to support before.
>> >>
>> >> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
>> >
>> >That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
>> >
>> >You might find this interesting:
>> >
>> >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/
>> >
>>
>> Yeah well... not really. I don't care what he looks like.
>
>Thank you, Stu. I actually respect you a lot now.
>
>The picture, however, has an interesting back story. I saw that
>picture of me back in 2002 and said "Holy Christ! Look at that fat
>*******!" And I did something about it. So I didn't really mind when
>I took some ribbing over that photo. It motivated me to stay on course
>and get healthy.
>
>When that picture was taken, I was the heaviest I ever was in my life,
>about 240 lbs. I was also diabetic. In 1999, before I was diagnosed,
>I weighed 187, and was pretty healthy, other than the diabetes, which I
>didn't know I had. Turns out, the doctors put me on a diabetic drug
>that slowed down my metabolism, and I started gaining weight the day I
>left the hospital. I finally got another doctor, who put me on a
>different med, and the weight slowly came back off.
>
>I'm sure you don't care about any of this, but I just wanted to say
>that every time Arny posts that picture, I secretly thank him, because
>it prompts me to stay the course with my health!
>
>Boon


In that case I take back my previous comment, posted before reading
this.

You say you changed meds but don't say you went on a diet or anything.

Also, they say diabeties can actually be overcome, or at least its
effects minimised, by losing weight. I wonder if you found that.

[paul packer]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:29:45 GMT, Jenn
> wrote:

>In article m>,
> wrote:
>
>> Jenn wrote:
>> > In article om>,
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> > > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>> > > >
>> > > > >> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
>> > > > >>>> What I said in reply to that was:
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> "He's a liar."
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Got it, Stu.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
>> > > > >> you failed to support before.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >You might find this interesting:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Yeah well... not really. I don't care what he looks like.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you, Stu. I actually respect you a lot now.
>> >
>> > Why would anyone care how anyone else looks? I don't get it.
>>
>> Wow. RAO has gotten better.
>>
>> Boon
>
>Seriously, I consider criticism of another's appearance to be the most
>inane form of comment. WTF does it matter? Of all human traits,
>appearance has to be the least important.


In an ideal world maybe. However the visual is still important,
especially to men. Your idealism is praiseworthy but not entirely
realistic.

[paul packer]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:41 -0400, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>paul packer said:
>
>> >If you looked like Krooger, you might be desperate to raise your own
>> >self-esteem a tad.
>> >http://krooborg.notlong.com
>> >mm-hm! ug-LEE!
>
>> You should be thankful it's just a sketch impression.
>
>There's a photo of the ****ty One on Carlstrom's aBxism worship site that
>really defines skin-crawlingly ooky.


Possibly, but it occurs to me that we don't have a recent photo of
you, George. Or even an old one. :-)

[Eeyore]

paul packer wrote:

> Possibly, but it occurs to me that we don't have a recent photo of
> you, George. Or even an old one. :-)

Did you ever see the creatures inside the Daleks ?

Graham

[Jenn]

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> > > If you looked like Krooger, you might be desperate to raise your own
> > > self-esteem a tad.
>
> > > http://krooborg.notlong.com
>
> > > mm-hm! ug-LEE!
>
> > I say again: who cares?
>
> You don't look like Krooger, I take it.

That would be correct.

[Jenn]

In article >,
(paul packer) wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:29:45 GMT, Jenn
> > wrote:
>
> >In article m>,
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Jenn wrote:
> >> > In article om>,
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> > > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>>> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> >> > > > >>>> What I said in reply to that was:
> >> > > > >>>>
> >> > > > >>>> "He's a liar."
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> Got it, Stu.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that
> >> > > > >> you failed to support before.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >That's the Marc we've known and *loved* for years.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >You might find this interesting:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2002/rao/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Yeah well... not really. I don't care what he looks like.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you, Stu. I actually respect you a lot now.
> >> >
> >> > Why would anyone care how anyone else looks? I don't get it.
> >>
> >> Wow. RAO has gotten better.
> >>
> >> Boon
> >
> >Seriously, I consider criticism of another's appearance to be the most
> >inane form of comment. WTF does it matter? Of all human traits,
> >appearance has to be the least important.
>
>
> In an ideal world maybe. However the visual is still important,
> especially to men. Your idealism is praiseworthy but not entirely
> realistic.

I understand that.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message


> Possibly, but it occurs to me that we don't have a recent
> photo of you, George. Or even an old one. :-)

Imagine one. Middius is an imaginary creature, anyway.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message


> Also, they say diabeties can actually be overcome, or at
> least its effects minimised, by losing weight. I wonder
> if you found that.

That's a major flaw in Marc's story - gaining weight makes diabetes worse,
its not a result of it. The official medical position is that adult-onset
diabetes is a result of the same factors that cause weight gain, but
strictly speaking diabetes is not the cause of the weight gain.

At any rate, I'm glad to hear that Marc has controlled his weight to some
degree and I regret that he has this other serious problem in his life.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> oups.com
>>>>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700,
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You
>>>>>>>>>> never lived until you heard a Yammakwaski
>>>>>>>>>> Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer
>>>>>>>>>> power amp" schtick.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>>>>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
>>>>>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
>>>>>>>>> schtick.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it
>>>>>>> comes to the objectivist vs, subjectivists debates,
>>>>>>> it always turns out to be, underneath it all, a
>>>>>>> battle between the haves and the have-nots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Boonie representing the have-maximum-BS and
>>>>>> have-not-brains.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, Arny, I offered my services before to help
>>>>> you with your material. As long as the check clears,
>>>>> I won't tell a soul here.
>>>>
>>>> Try selling it to Atkinson for more than half a free
>>>> lunch 5 years ago. He's more in your market than I am.
>>>>
>>>> Remember Boonie-Boy, Lat year I hit Atkinson up for an
>>>> all expenses-paid airplane trip to NYC with two nights
>>>> in a first-rate hotel, not half of a stinkin' lunch you
>>>> had to get to at your own expense. That pretty well
>>>> puts a fair price on our relative abilties to deliver
>>>> relevant audio information.
>>>
>>> Remember, Arny, right now I write for three different
>>> publications about audio.
>>
>> I need a good laugh - name them.
>
> I already did. (Oh, I'm sorry..."asked and answered.")
> In fact, I provided URLs for them almost the minute I got
> here.

Since you say you're always here, that would be a non-existent date.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ps.com
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> oups.com
>>>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> oups.com
>>>>>>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>> >, Mr
>>>>>>>>>> Fox > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
>>>>>>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy
>>>>>>>>>>> actually receive a pair already?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the
>>>>>>>>>> 'old' Quads! but all I know is what I read in the
>>>>>>>>>> brochure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more
>>>>>>>>> solid and well-built, mostly. This does
>>>>>>>>> translate to deeper bass.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
>>>>>>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
>>>>>>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
>>>>>>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or
>>>>>>>>> those Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing
>>>>>>>>> drivers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You
>>>>>>>> never lived until you heard a Yammakwaski
>>>>>>>> Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer
>>>>>>>> power amp" schtick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
>>>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
>>>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
>>>>>>> schtick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
>>>>>> trying to play the class card.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shopping cart! Shopping cart!
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> I guess that Boonie-Boy is looking for a stray shopping
>>>> cart because the stores in his 'hood keep them locked
>>>> up in a cage so that the locals can't steal them.
>>>> Either that, or he really needs the deposit money back
>>>> that they demand before they let him use one.
>>>
>>> Not at all. I'm just reminding you of how bleak your
>>> past, present and future are. Spending all your time on
>>> Usenet will do that to a person.
>>
>> Then stay away, Marc.
>
> By your own admission, I do.

That's why you're posting here so much right now, Marc. You're staying away.

LOL!

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> paul packer wrote:
>
>> Possibly, but it occurs to me that we don't have a recent photo of
>> you, George. Or even an old one. :-)
>
> Did you ever see the creatures inside the Daleks ?
>

Netkkkoping spoiler.



Bertie

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message


> Believe it or
> not, but there is nothing in the charter of rao that says
> we have to gratuitously mention Arny in every other post.

It appeard that Middius added it to the RAO charter around Y2K.

Boonie is one of the longest-term surviving Middius dupes. Middius has
killed off just about everybody else from back then.

[Jenn]

In article >,
Stuart Krivis > wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:29:45 GMT, Jenn
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >Seriously, I consider criticism of another's appearance to be the most
> >inane form of comment. WTF does it matter? Of all human traits,
> >appearance has to be the least important.
>
> It may be the least important, but it is often played up to be the
> most important.
>
> People even get killed over their appearance if they have the "wrong"
> skin color or something. How stupid is that?
>
> About as stupid as a bird. I'm reminded of Jerzy Kosinski's book, "The
> Painted Bird." He says that if you catch a bird and put paint on it
> and then release it, the other birds in the flock will then attack and
> even kill it.
>
> Racists really are birdbrains.

Yep.

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:29:45 GMT, Jenn
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >Seriously, I consider criticism of another's appearance to be the most
> >inane form of comment. WTF does it matter? Of all human traits,
> >appearance has to be the least important.
>
> It may be the least important, but it is often played up to be the
> most important.
>
> People even get killed over their appearance if they have the "wrong"
> skin color or something. How stupid is that?
>
> About as stupid as a bird. I'm reminded of Jerzy Kosinski's book, "The
> Painted Bird." He says that if you catch a bird and put paint on it
> and then release it, the other birds in the flock will then attack and
> even kill it.
>
> Racists really are birdbrains.

I actually like Kosinski a lot. Some friends of mine in the film
industry are involved with making "Pinball" a movie.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2006 17:41:51 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> On 11 Oct 2006 12:45:38 -0700, wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I didn't call you a liar for that. >
> >> >> What I said in reply to that was:
> >> >>
> >> >> "He's a liar."
> >> >
> >> >Got it, Stu.
> >>
> >> So now you're selectively quoting to support a point that you failed
> >> to support before.
> >>
> >> Got it, you'll do anything to be right.
> >
> >Well, Stuart, tell me how this compares to you saying that I live in a
> >"trailor," when you have no idea where I live.
> >
> >The fact that you're objecting to me here qualifies as hypocrisy, don't
> >you think?
>
> No, I don't think so.
>
> You basically said that anyone who disagrees with your choice of audio
> equipment is really just envious because they can't afford it
> themselves.

Nope...if you go back and look, I mentioned "good taste," not wealth.
That's where Arny made his mistake, and you, unfortunately, followed
him.

>
> So it was pretty natural to then speculate that you live in a trailor
> park and are just trying to make it appear you're wealthy. :-)

I'm certainly not wealthy, and have never said so. Up until last year,
I was a project manager for a telecommunications firm making about
$75,000 a year. My writing projects on the side netted another $10,000
to $20,000. My wife works in the film industry for a make-up effects
house. She makes a bit less than I do.

I live in a nice, but average three bedroom house in LA. That house,
however, has doubled in value over the last three years.

This year, however, my fortunes have changed, and I'm actually working
in the film industry, too. With the three audio publications, and the
two books I've just written, yes, things are going well for me. But
I'm still not wealthy, although I'm working on it.

>
> What you did above was pull a couple of words completely out of
> context so that you could "prove" your point.

Of course I did. I was well aware of it. I was making a point.

>
> You said, "I'm sorry...in all that rubbish I didn't see any sort of
> apology for calling me a liar when I said I didn't know what a Dell
> notebook was...bitch."
>
> I replied, "I didn't call you a liar for that. That was someone else
> that said that."

Someone else did call me a liar, and then ran away. You did call me a
liar, you just shrouded it in a bit of nonsense so it wouldn't be as
overt as the first guy's comments.

When you started backpedaling, I eliminated the nonsense that you
thought got you off the hook.

>
> My original statement, that you then selectively remembered and later
> selectively quoted, was: "He's a liar in all directions, or really
> stupid, if he states that he has to listen to a laptop before
> determining that it sounds lousy. :-) "

Sounds like you're calling them a liar, OR you're calling them stupid.
It certainly doesn't mean you're calling them NEITHER, does it.

>
> I'm sorry if you don't understand the difference between what I said
> and what you did, but I'm not going to waste my time explaining it
> further.

Well, I've already explained that I did it because I was pointing out
how underhanded you'd been by making up things about me (such as living
in a trailer). You lied about THAT, didn't you, and now you're
complaining that you didn't call ME a liar. Well, sort of.

No wonder you don't want to discuss it any further. Deep down, you're
probably ashamed of yourself.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ps.com
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> > wrote in message
> >>>> oups.com
> >>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>>>> > wrote in message
> >>>>>> oups.com
> >>>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>>>>>> > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> oups.com
> >>>>>>>>> MiNe 109 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>> >, Mr
> >>>>>>>>>> Fox > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The new Quad electrostatics are getting rave
> >>>>>>>>>>> reviews. So who is planning to buy? Anybdy
> >>>>>>>>>>> actually receive a pair already?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure they're much different from the
> >>>>>>>>>> 'old' Quads! but all I know is what I read in the
> >>>>>>>>>> brochure.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The structure around the drivers is much more
> >>>>>>>>> solid and well-built, mostly. This does
> >>>>>>>>> translate to deeper bass.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I came close to buying a pair of the smaller ones
> >>>>>>>>> when I still had a pair of Quad II Classic
> >>>>>>>>> monoblocks. But, with a low-powered SET, I'm more
> >>>>>>>>> interested in things like Audio Note AN-Es or
> >>>>>>>>> those Yamamoto Sound Crafts with the Altec-Lansing
> >>>>>>>>> drivers.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You
> >>>>>>>> never lived until you heard a Yammakwaski
> >>>>>>>> Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer
> >>>>>>>> power amp" schtick.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
> >>>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
> >>>>>>> schtick.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's pretty ironic watching trailer trash like Marc
> >>>>>> trying to play the class card.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Shopping cart! Shopping cart!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LOL!
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess that Boonie-Boy is looking for a stray shopping
> >>>> cart because the stores in his 'hood keep them locked
> >>>> up in a cage so that the locals can't steal them.
> >>>> Either that, or he really needs the deposit money back
> >>>> that they demand before they let him use one.
> >>>
> >>> Not at all. I'm just reminding you of how bleak your
> >>> past, present and future are. Spending all your time on
> >>> Usenet will do that to a person.
> >>
> >> Then stay away, Marc.
> >
> > By your own admission, I do.
>
> That's why you're posting here so much right now, Marc. You're staying away.
>
> LOL!

How many posts have you made here in the last three days? How many
just today?

And you're complaining about me?

ROTFLMAO!

Boon

[Harry Lavo]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
...
> On 12 Oct 2006 17:37:41 -0700, wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> You basically said that anyone who disagrees with your choice of audio
>>> equipment is really just envious because they can't afford it
>>> themselves.
>>
>>Nope...if you go back and look, I mentioned "good taste," not wealth.
>>That's where Arny made his mistake, and you, unfortunately, followed
>>him.
>
> No, you said that discussions here just boiled down to the difference
> between the "haves" and the "have-nots." That's wealth, not taste.
>
>
>>>
>>> You said, "I'm sorry...in all that rubbish I didn't see any sort of
>>> apology for calling me a liar when I said I didn't know what a Dell
>>> notebook was...bitch."
>>>
>>> I replied, "I didn't call you a liar for that. That was someone else
>>> that said that."
>>
>>Someone else did call me a liar, and then ran away. You did call me a
>>liar, you just shrouded it in a bit of nonsense so it wouldn't be as
>>overt as the first guy's comments.
>
> I also presented the alternative that you're just stupid.
>
>>
>>When you started backpedaling, I eliminated the nonsense that you
>>thought got you off the hook.
>>
>>>
>>> My original statement, that you then selectively remembered and later
>>> selectively quoted, was: "He's a liar in all directions, or really
>>> stupid, if he states that he has to listen to a laptop before
>>> determining that it sounds lousy. :-) "
>
> I stand behind this statement.
>
> Why can't you just admit that there are some things that you don't
> have to listen to before knowing that they sound lousy?
>

Suggest you don't get into Arny-like semantics here. The qualifier "highly
likely" would bridge the gap between you nicely.

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:55:34 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12 Oct 2006 17:37:41 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You basically said that anyone who disagrees with
>>>>> your choice of audio equipment is really just envious
>>>>> because they can't afford it themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Nope...if you go back and look, I mentioned "good
>>>> taste," not wealth. That's where Arny made his
>>>> mistake, and you, unfortunately, followed him.
>>>
>>> No, you said that discussions here just boiled down to
>>> the difference between the "haves" and the "have-nots."
>>> That's wealth, not taste.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You said, "I'm sorry...in all that rubbish I didn't
>>>>> see any sort of apology for calling me a liar when I
>>>>> said I didn't know what a Dell notebook was...bitch."
>>>>>
>>>>> I replied, "I didn't call you a liar for that. That
>>>>> was someone else that said that."
>>>>
>>>> Someone else did call me a liar, and then ran away.
>>>> You did call me a liar, you just shrouded it in a bit
>>>> of nonsense so it wouldn't be as overt as the first
>>>> guy's comments.
>>>
>>> I also presented the alternative that you're just
>>> stupid.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> When you started backpedaling, I eliminated the
>>>> nonsense that you thought got you off the hook.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My original statement, that you then selectively
>>>>> remembered and later selectively quoted, was: "He's a
>>>>> liar in all directions, or really stupid, if he
>>>>> states that he has to listen to a laptop before
>>>>> determining that it sounds lousy. :-) "
>>>
>>> I stand behind this statement.
>>>
>>> Why can't you just admit that there are some things
>>> that you don't have to listen to before knowing that
>>> they sound lousy?
>>>
>>
>> Suggest you don't get into Arny-like semantics here.
>> The qualifier "highly likely" would bridge the gap
>> between you nicely.

> Ok, I could go for that.

Actually "highly likely" is exactly Arny-like semantics. I use qualifiers
like "highly likely" all of the time, and the usual suspects treat them
like they don't exist.

[Joe Duffy]

In article >,
Stuart Krivis > wrote:
>On 12 Oct 2006 17:25:44 -0700, wrote:
>
>>
>>Stuart Krivis wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:29:45 GMT, Jenn
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Seriously, I consider criticism of another's appearance to be the most
>>> >inane form of comment. WTF does it matter? Of all human traits,
>>> >appearance has to be the least important.
>>>
>>> It may be the least important, but it is often played up to be the
>>> most important.
>>>
>>> People even get killed over their appearance if they have the "wrong"
>>> skin color or something. How stupid is that?
>>>
>>> About as stupid as a bird. I'm reminded of Jerzy Kosinski's book, "The
>>> Painted Bird." He says that if you catch a bird and put paint on it
>>> and then release it, the other birds in the flock will then attack and
>>> even kill it.
>>>
>>> Racists really are birdbrains.
>>
>>I actually like Kosinski a lot. Some friends of mine in the film
>>industry are involved with making "Pinball" a movie.
>
>Very cool. I really like "Pinball," so I'll be anxious to see how it
>turns out as a movie.
>


I like to watch.
Being There.
Sellers.


Joe

[Harry Lavo]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:31:21 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:55:34 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 12 Oct 2006 17:37:41 -0700, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You basically said that anyone who disagrees with
>>>>>>> your choice of audio equipment is really just envious
>>>>>>> because they can't afford it themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope...if you go back and look, I mentioned "good
>>>>>> taste," not wealth. That's where Arny made his
>>>>>> mistake, and you, unfortunately, followed him.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you said that discussions here just boiled down to
>>>>> the difference between the "haves" and the "have-nots."
>>>>> That's wealth, not taste.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said, "I'm sorry...in all that rubbish I didn't
>>>>>>> see any sort of apology for calling me a liar when I
>>>>>>> said I didn't know what a Dell notebook was...bitch."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I replied, "I didn't call you a liar for that. That
>>>>>>> was someone else that said that."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone else did call me a liar, and then ran away.
>>>>>> You did call me a liar, you just shrouded it in a bit
>>>>>> of nonsense so it wouldn't be as overt as the first
>>>>>> guy's comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also presented the alternative that you're just
>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you started backpedaling, I eliminated the
>>>>>> nonsense that you thought got you off the hook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My original statement, that you then selectively
>>>>>>> remembered and later selectively quoted, was: "He's a
>>>>>>> liar in all directions, or really stupid, if he
>>>>>>> states that he has to listen to a laptop before
>>>>>>> determining that it sounds lousy. :-) "
>>>>>
>>>>> I stand behind this statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why can't you just admit that there are some things
>>>>> that you don't have to listen to before knowing that
>>>>> they sound lousy?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Suggest you don't get into Arny-like semantics here.
>>>> The qualifier "highly likely" would bridge the gap
>>>> between you nicely.
>>
>>> Ok, I could go for that.
>>
>>Actually "highly likely" is exactly Arny-like semantics. I use qualifiers
>>like "highly likely" all of the time, and the usual suspects treat them
>>like they don't exist.
>>
>
> I thought I had been qualifying things too.
>
> My real point is that there are some things that don't have to be
> listened to. You can dismiss them without careful auditioning. The OP
> disagreed, so I tried to come up with a really obvious example.
>
> I mean, everyone knows that laptops or notebooks have teeny little
> speakers and the audio circuits are very likely to be exposed to RFI
> from the logic circuits. It's going to sound pretty awful, especially
> when compared with the home stereo systems that most people here would
> have. (Or I would hope so.)
>
> I also gave an example of a $5 AM/FM radio. Here, again, you would
> think it would be a pretty safe bet to say it sounds like crap.
>
>
> I guess they saw through my plan.
>
> If you admit that a $5 radio sounds lousy, then you also admit that
> there really _are_ some absolute standards to audio reproduction. The
> whole "I like it" personal preference thing comes tumbling down after
> that. :-)
>
> It seems the the subjectivist thus cannot ever admit that anything
> sounds bad.

Well, if push come to shove I wouldn't disagree with you. But you know, 15
years ago somebody told me all these mini-monitors with 5" speakers
would/could sound like "real hi-fi" I probably would also have said
"couldn't be". But a few of them do, and more each year. So, while I am a
subjectivist, I do strongly believe in absolute standards...the sound of
live acoustic musically, faithfully (emphasis) played back. And by this I
mean not just the notes, but the notes with such "truthfulness" that the
emotional impact can be conveyed through the audio system, as well as the
notes.

[[email protected]]

Stuart Krivis wrote:
> On 12 Oct 2006 17:37:41 -0700, wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> You basically said that anyone who disagrees with your choice of audio
> >> equipment is really just envious because they can't afford it
> >> themselves.
> >
> >Nope...if you go back and look, I mentioned "good taste," not wealth.
> >That's where Arny made his mistake, and you, unfortunately, followed
> >him.
>
> No, you said that discussions here just boiled down to the difference
> between the "haves" and the "have-nots." That's wealth, not taste.

No, I mentioned good taste instead of wealth on purpose. And it's
never been about wealth. But I've often been able to get objectivists
to admit that they can't afford the better stuff.

Have and have-not isn't a class thing. It's a priority thing. Arny
can spend tons of money on microphones and sound cards and such, but he
can't afford anything more than an ancient Rega Planar 2 with an old
Mayware arm on it? And he wants to pass himself off as an expert on
state-of-the-art analog?

That's what I'm talking about.
>
>
> >>
> >> You said, "I'm sorry...in all that rubbish I didn't see any sort of
> >> apology for calling me a liar when I said I didn't know what a Dell
> >> notebook was...bitch."
> >>
> >> I replied, "I didn't call you a liar for that. That was someone else
> >> that said that."
> >
> >Someone else did call me a liar, and then ran away. You did call me a
> >liar, you just shrouded it in a bit of nonsense so it wouldn't be as
> >overt as the first guy's comments.
>
> I also presented the alternative that you're just stupid.

And this furthers your argument how? You're just digging a deeper
hole, to paraphrase Arny.

>
> >
> >When you started backpedaling, I eliminated the nonsense that you
> >thought got you off the hook.
> >
> >>
> >> My original statement, that you then selectively remembered and later
> >> selectively quoted, was: "He's a liar in all directions, or really
> >> stupid, if he states that he has to listen to a laptop before
> >> determining that it sounds lousy. :-) "
>
> I stand behind this statement.

Then you've lost.

>
> Why can't you just admit that there are some things that you don't
> have to listen to before knowing that they sound lousy?

Why can't you just keep an open mind? That's what I did when it came
to vinyl (I was the first on my block to get a CD player), tubes, and
now SETs.

You can't stand in the objectivists' camp if you're not willing to do
the listening tests first.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ups.com
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> > wrote in message
> >>>> oups.com
> >>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>>>> > wrote in message
> >>>>>> oups.com
> >>>>>>> Stuart Krivis wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:00 -0700,
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> It's the patented, day-glo Marc Phillips' "You
> >>>>>>>>>> never lived until you heard a Yammakwaski
> >>>>>>>>>> Nightengale power amp driven by a Kruzenjammer
> >>>>>>>>>> power amp" schtick.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's the patented, olive-drab Arny Krueger's
> >>>>>>>>> "Waaahhhh...I can't afford anything good, so I'll
> >>>>>>>>> attack everyone who has better taste than me!"
> >>>>>>>>> schtick.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Boon's equating costly with "good" noted.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nope. I'm just pointing out that on RAO, when it
> >>>>>>> comes to the objectivist vs, subjectivists debates,
> >>>>>>> it always turns out to be, underneath it all, a
> >>>>>>> battle between the haves and the have-nots.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With Boonie representing the have-maximum-BS and
> >>>>>> have-not-brains.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You know, Arny, I offered my services before to help
> >>>>> you with your material. As long as the check clears,
> >>>>> I won't tell a soul here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Try selling it to Atkinson for more than half a free
> >>>> lunch 5 years ago. He's more in your market than I am.
> >>>>
> >>>> Remember Boonie-Boy, Lat year I hit Atkinson up for an
> >>>> all expenses-paid airplane trip to NYC with two nights
> >>>> in a first-rate hotel, not half of a stinkin' lunch you
> >>>> had to get to at your own expense. That pretty well
> >>>> puts a fair price on our relative abilties to deliver
> >>>> relevant audio information.
> >>>
> >>> Remember, Arny, right now I write for three different
> >>> publications about audio.
> >>
> >> I need a good laugh - name them.
> >
> > I already did. (Oh, I'm sorry..."asked and answered.")
> > In fact, I provided URLs for them almost the minute I got
> > here.
>
> Since you say you're always here, that would be a non-existent date.

Well, there is a difference between giving a perfunctory glance to the
proceedings once in a while (me), and making hundreds of posts here in
a single day (you).

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message

> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:31:21 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
>
>> "Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:55:34 -0400, "Harry Lavo"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Stuart Krivis" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 12 Oct 2006 17:37:41 -0700,
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You basically said that anyone who disagrees with
>>>>>>> your choice of audio equipment is really just
>>>>>>> envious because they can't afford it themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope...if you go back and look, I mentioned "good
>>>>>> taste," not wealth. That's where Arny made his
>>>>>> mistake, and you, unfortunately, followed him.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you said that discussions here just boiled down to
>>>>> the difference between the "haves" and the
>>>>> "have-nots." That's wealth, not taste.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said, "I'm sorry...in all that rubbish I didn't
>>>>>>> see any sort of apology for calling me a liar when I
>>>>>>> said I didn't know what a Dell notebook
>>>>>>> was...bitch."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I replied, "I didn't call you a liar for that. That
>>>>>>> was someone else that said that."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone else did call me a liar, and then ran away.
>>>>>> You did call me a liar, you just shrouded it in a bit
>>>>>> of nonsense so it wouldn't be as overt as the first
>>>>>> guy's comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also presented the alternative that you're just
>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you started backpedaling, I eliminated the
>>>>>> nonsense that you thought got you off the hook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My original statement, that you then selectively
>>>>>>> remembered and later selectively quoted, was: "He's
>>>>>>> a liar in all directions, or really stupid, if he
>>>>>>> states that he has to listen to a laptop before
>>>>>>> determining that it sounds lousy. :-) "
>>>>>
>>>>> I stand behind this statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why can't you just admit that there are some things
>>>>> that you don't have to listen to before knowing that
>>>>> they sound lousy?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Suggest you don't get into Arny-like semantics here.
>>>> The qualifier "highly likely" would bridge the gap
>>>> between you nicely.
>>
>>> Ok, I could go for that.
>>
>> Actually "highly likely" is exactly Arny-like semantics.
>> I use qualifiers like "highly likely" all of the time,
>> and the usual suspects treat them like they don't exist.
>>
>
> I thought I had been qualifying things too.
>
> My real point is that there are some things that don't
> have to be listened to.

Not seriously. Things like the speakers on standard Dell laptops.

> You can dismiss them without
> careful auditioning. The OP disagreed, so I tried to come
> up with a really obvious example.

As I recall you used the Dell laptop speakers as that example. Good one.

> I mean, everyone knows that laptops or notebooks have
> teeny little speakers and the audio circuits are very
> likely to be exposed to RFI from the logic circuits.

It's not the RFI its the size of the cone, the efficiency requirements, and
the space that does them in.

RFI in PC's is wildly over-estimated in terms of its potential to cause
problems. Look at the LynxTWO audio interface - about 120 dB dynamic range
and implemented as a PCI card with no shielding other than the circuit card
itself.

> It's going to sound pretty awful, especially when compared
> with the home stereo systems that most people here would
> have. (Or I would hope so.)

Agreed.

> I also gave an example of a $5 AM/FM radio. Here, again,
> you would think it would be a pretty safe bet to say it
> sounds like crap.

The only question is how crappy.

> I guess they saw through my plan.


You're dealing with Marc - figures.


> If you admit that a $5 radio sounds lousy, then you also
> admit that there really _are_ some absolute standards to
> audio reproduction. The whole "I like it" personal
> preference thing comes tumbling down after that. :-)

I guess.

> It seems the the subjectivist thus cannot ever admit that
> anything sounds bad.

It's more life with RAO trolls like Marc. They just can't let it go. Note
all the posts where I give them the last word. Note that they keep posting
insults at me when I've been off for a week.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message


> Well, if push come to shove I wouldn't disagree with you.
> But you know, 15 years ago somebody told me all these
> mini-monitors with 5" speakers would/could sound like
> "real hi-fi" I probably would also have said "couldn't
> be".

Speaks to your ignorance Harry. LS3-5As had been out for about 15 years, at
that time.

I know I first heard LS3-5As in like 1977 - just about 30 years ago. Might
have been earlier, in the late 60s. I remember hearing some really
good-sounding really small speakers, but they may not have been official
LS3-5As. They were that size.

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Well, if push come to shove I wouldn't disagree with you.
>> But you know, 15 years ago somebody told me all these
>> mini-monitors with 5" speakers would/could sound like
>> "real hi-fi" I probably would also have said "couldn't
>> be".
>
> Speaks to your ignorance Harry. LS3-5As had been out for about 15 years,
> at that time.
>
> I know I first heard LS3-5As in like 1977 - just about 30 years ago.
> Might have been earlier, in the late 60s. I remember hearing some really
> good-sounding really small speakers, but they may not have been official
> LS3-5As. They were that size.
>

I knew of the LS3-5A. But I had never heard one. And I knew of no
others....that came close...my experience had been with AR-4X's and ADC
303's and they didn't come close. So my statement stands...based on a
priori assumptions about "all these mini-monitors" I would have said
"couldn't be". And been wrong. That was my point.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Well, if push come to shove I wouldn't disagree with
>>> you. But you know, 15 years ago somebody told me all
>>> these mini-monitors with 5" speakers would/could sound
>>> like "real hi-fi" I probably would also have said
>>> "couldn't be".
>>
>> Speaks to your ignorance Harry. LS3-5As had been out
>> for about 15 years, at that time.
>>
>> I know I first heard LS3-5As in like 1977 - just about
>> 30 years ago. Might have been earlier, in the late 60s.
>> I remember hearing some really good-sounding really
>> small speakers, but they may not have been official
>> LS3-5As. They were that size.
>
> I knew of the LS3-5A. But I had never heard one. And I
> knew of no others....that came close...my experience had
> been with AR-4X's and ADC 303's and they didn't come
> close. So my statement stands...based on a priori
> assumptions about "all these mini-monitors" I would have
> said "couldn't be". And been wrong. That was my point.

High price of not keeping up - being wrong.

[paul packer]

On 13 Oct 2006 10:40:07 -0700, wrote:


>Well, there is a difference between giving a perfunctory glance to the
>proceedings once in a while (me), and making hundreds of posts here in
>a single day (you).
>
>Boon
>


Arnie must be close to breaking the all-time record, surely. His
fingers must be flying. My server can hardly download fast enough.

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, if push come to shove I wouldn't disagree with
>>>> you. But you know, 15 years ago somebody told me all
>>>> these mini-monitors with 5" speakers would/could sound
>>>> like "real hi-fi" I probably would also have said
>>>> "couldn't be".
>>>
>>> Speaks to your ignorance Harry. LS3-5As had been out
>>> for about 15 years, at that time.
>>>
>>> I know I first heard LS3-5As in like 1977 - just about
>>> 30 years ago. Might have been earlier, in the late 60s.
>>> I remember hearing some really good-sounding really
>>> small speakers, but they may not have been official
>>> LS3-5As. They were that size.
>>
>> I knew of the LS3-5A. But I had never heard one. And I
>> knew of no others....that came close...my experience had
>> been with AR-4X's and ADC 303's and they didn't come
>> close. So my statement stands...based on a priori
>> assumptions about "all these mini-monitors" I would have
>> said "couldn't be". And been wrong. That was my point.
>
> High price of not keeping up - being wrong.

I learned a long time ago that being wrong was not the end of the earth
Arny...in fact it is one of the things that makes us human. YOU seem to be
the one whose ego is so fragile that you can't stand to be wrong on any
subject, no matter how trivial or otherwise inconsequential it seems to
other people.

[Eeyore]

paul packer wrote:

> On 13 Oct 2006 10:40:07 -0700, wrote:
>
> >Well, there is a difference between giving a perfunctory glance to the
> >proceedings once in a while (me), and making hundreds of posts here in
> >a single day (you).
> >
> >Boon
>
> Arnie must be close to breaking the all-time record, surely. His
> fingers must be flying. My server can hardly download fast enough.

It's quite scary in fact. I've never had such a hard time just keeping up !

Graham

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Eeyore > wrote in
:

>
>
> paul packer wrote:
>
>> On 13 Oct 2006 10:40:07 -0700, wrote:
>>
>> >Well, there is a difference between giving a perfunctory glance to
>> >the proceedings once in a while (me), and making hundreds of posts
>> >here in a single day (you).
>> >
>> >Boon
>>
>> Arnie must be close to breaking the all-time record, surely. His
>> fingers must be flying. My server can hardly download fast enough.
>
> It's quite scary in fact. I've never had such a hard time just keeping
> up !
>
> Graham
>
>
>

Falling over each other to get to you, eh?


Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw ahhwhahwhahwh!


bertie

[paul packer]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:10:38 -0400, "Harry Lavo" >
wrote:


>> High price of not keeping up - being wrong.
>
>I learned a long time ago that being wrong was not the end of the earth
>Arny...in fact it is one of the things that makes us human. YOU seem to be
>the one whose ego is so fragile that you can't stand to be wrong on any
>subject, no matter how trivial or otherwise inconsequential it seems to
>other people.


Wise words.

[Mr Fox]

On 11 Oct 2006 18:32:18 -0700, wrote:

>Mr Fox wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:01:17 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> You write for, well...Usenet.
>> >
>> >Writing isn't my life.
>>
>> What do you do besides wrting on Usenet?
>> What is your job title, or registered name of your business?
>
>Well, I've learned that talking too much about your personal life on
>RAO is always a big mistake. But if you're curious about what I'm
>doing, feel free to e-mail me.

I was referring to Arny.