Groove tube 12ax7m

[Mwin35]

Hello i'am thinking of putting in 3x12ax7m in my line stage preamp.
I like deep tight bass smooth mids and detailed highs that are not harsh at
loud levels.
Is this tube by groove tube good for this?
The 12ax7a that came in my preamp seen a little to bright to me.
I think they are Ge tubes
I have about 50 hours on them so far

[Eeyore]

Mwin35 wrote:

> I like deep tight bass smooth mids and detailed highs that are not harsh at
> loud levels.

Why do you think this would be influenced by any given 'brand' of tube ?

Graham

[Mwin35]

Just some stuff i seen on the net.
That is why i would like too see what people think of them that has used
them.
"Eeyore" > wrote in
message ...
>
>
> Mwin35 wrote:
>
>> I like deep tight bass smooth mids and detailed highs that are not harsh
>> at
>> loud levels.
>
> Why do you think this would be influenced by any given 'brand' of tube ?
>
> Graham
>

[Peter Wieck]

Mwin35 wrote:
> Hello i'am thinking of putting in 3x12ax7m in my line stage preamp.
> I like deep tight bass smooth mids and detailed highs that are not harsh at
> loud levels.
> Is this tube by groove tube good for this?
> The 12ax7a that came in my preamp seen a little to bright to me.
> I think they are Ge tubes
> I have about 50 hours on them so far

Whatever choice you make, stay away from Chinese tubes.

My experience with tubes from Groove, first and second-hand has been
universally poor. For what that's worth.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[- - : R A T B o y : - -]

Groove Tube uses various other manufacturer's tubes, not just GE. So, tubes
from different batches (say a year or more apart) may not be from the same
manufacturer. GT does nothing special to make their tube sound any better
or last any longer.

They are, however, fully tested and weeded through so you can be assured
that whatever you get from GT will be good product with a normal lifespan.
Just buy them in sets.

This is great for preamp and rectifier tubes... their power tubes are a
slightly more complicated story
..
They "match" their power tubes on a scale of 1 - 10 so that (theoretically)
all tubes labeled with the same number will have the same gain. But, since
they could possibly come from different manufacturers, a 4 you buy today may
not sound like another unused 4 that you've had on the shelf from 5 years
ago. It is all just to make it easier for the consumer to pick a set that
will be harsher or milder.

They suggest that the scale is actually from 1 - 100 but that they compress
it down 1 - 10. Some power tubes don't have a range in gain of 1 - 100...
others will range beyond that. Nevertheless, you probably wont notice any
difference between a 4 and a 5.

Most GT's you encounter will be in the 4 -7 "normal distortion" range
because, that is what most vendors carry. In many cases the vendor will
order you a set with higher or lower numbers if you want a specific sound.

I repeat: You can be assured that whatever you get from GT will be good
product with a normal lifespan. Just buy them in sets.

[Lord Valve]

- - : R A T B o y : - - wrote:

> Groove Tube uses various other manufacturer's tubes, not just GE. So, tubes
> from different batches (say a year or more apart) may not be from the same
> manufacturer. GT does nothing special to make their tube sound any better
> or last any longer.
>
> They are, however, fully tested and weeded through so you can be assured
> that whatever you get from GT will be good product with a normal lifespan.

Horse-****.

GT's QC *used* to be good, back in the day. The last batch
of 100 GT 12AX7-M I got was 42% bad. Now, a 42% reject
rate is certainy not unheard of; in fact, the bottled **** that
comes from the Ei factory often runs over 80% bad. But
that 80% figure comes from raw stock - right out of the
case-pack. And, of course, you can't send 'em back,
because Ei simply doesn't give a damn. Oh, they'll test
fine on a tube tester, for what that's worth. but if you
want to put something into your Fender which doesn't
screech like a steam whistle or hiss like a nest of vipers,
good luck. From GT, I expect a ZERO percent reject
rate, because they *supposedly* subject everything to
an intense QC. I'm just curious as to how their "intense"
QC manged to mis 42 tubes out of 100 that were so
noisy you couldn't use 'em for tremelo oscillators,
or so microphionic that you couldn't crack a volume
control open at *all* without getting screeched at.
And the kicker is - SIX OF 'EM WERE WHITE!
It takes two days for a shipment to go from Sylmar,
California, to Denver, Colorado. I'd like to know how
SIX supposedly highly-screened tubes managed
to suck air between Sylmar and Denver. Especially
since Denver is a whole mile above Sylmar in altitude,
which means the inside/outside pressure differential
is *less* here in Denver than it is in Sylmar. The only
explanation I can come up with is that the "screener"
musta been blind, yeah, *that's* the ticket, and the
tubes somehow miraculously passed *every other
test* while they were full of air, and the blind screener
just couldn't see that they were white and flaky-looking.

Yeah, that's the ticket.


> Just buy them in sets.
>
> This is great for preamp and rectifier tubes... their power tubes are a
> slightly more complicated story

Do tell.

> They "match"

Ooops...

> their power tubes on a scale of 1 - 10 so that (theoretically)
> all tubes labeled with the same number will have the same gain. But, since
> they could possibly come from different manufacturers, a 4 you buy today may
> not sound like another unused 4 that you've had on the shelf from 5 years
> ago. It is all just to make it easier for the consumer to pick a set that
> will be harsher or milder.
>
> They suggest that the scale is actually from 1 - 100 but that they compress
> it down 1 - 10. Some power tubes don't have a range in gain of 1 - 100...
> others will range beyond that. Nevertheless, you probably wont notice any
> difference between a 4 and a 5.
>
> Most GT's you encounter will be in the 4 -7 "normal distortion" range
> because, that is what most vendors carry. In many cases the vendor will
> order you a set with higher or lower numbers if you want a specific sound.

That 1-10 thing is bogus.

Stuff at the extremes of that range is often stuff that would be
*rejected* as off-spec by most folks. The range isn't consistent
from batch to batch - even on the same type/brand tubes - as
far as I can tell. And they do *not* burn anything in before they
match it, so whatever it is they are testing for (I dare you to find
out), it ain't gonna *stay* that way for long.

> I repeat: You can be assured that whatever you get from GT will be good
> product with a normal lifespan.

Really.

C'mon, dude...are you a noob or something? I'm not anti-GT;
I'm a GT dealer. I sell 'em. I like some of them, in fact - BUT
AS A DEALER, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DOUBLE SCREEN
THE DAMN THINGS LIKE I HAVE TO WITH RAW STOCK.

Here's what it says in my current catalog about the 12AX7-M:

"UPDATE 04/22/06 - This is a great-sounding tube - BUT -
there have been reliability issues. I've had to start
doulble-screening these, since I simply can't count on
the ones I get from GT to be good. The last batch of
100 I received had a 42% reject rate...and six of those
were *white*, i.e., they were full of air. I simply
can't imagine a scenario where SIX tubes lose vacuum
between Sylamr, CA, and Denver, CO - the only conclusion
I can draw is that they are not screening them at all
on the GT end. A good one of these is a KICKASS tube
for guitar amps, especially Marshalls, but a 42%
reject rate on what is supposedly a premium tube
is *ridiculous*. I'm still going to carry it, because
it is indeed a fine-sounding item, but I'm double
screening them from now on, and if you have a problem
with one a couple of months after you bought it, you'll
have to send it to GT for a replacement."

> Just buy them in sets.

However many of 'em you're buying, you'd better get 'em from someone who tests
them before they ship.

Lord Valve
Expert

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[mike]

- - : R A T B o y : - - wrote:

> Groove Tube uses various other manufacturer's tubes, not just GE. So,
> tubes from different batches (say a year or more apart) may not be from
> the same manufacturer. GT does nothing special to make their tube sound
> any better or last any longer.
>
> They are, however, fully tested and weeded through so you can be assured
> that whatever you get from GT will be good product with a normal
> lifespan. Just buy them in sets.
>
> This is great for preamp and rectifier tubes... their power tubes are a
> slightly more complicated story
> .
> They "match" their power tubes on a scale of 1 - 10 so that
> (theoretically) all tubes labeled with the same number will have the
> same gain. But, since they could possibly come from different
> manufacturers, a 4 you buy today may not sound like another unused 4
> that you've had on the shelf from 5 years ago. It is all just to make
> it easier for the consumer to pick a set that will be harsher or milder.
>
> They suggest that the scale is actually from 1 - 100 but that they
> compress it down 1 - 10. Some power tubes don't have a range in gain of
> 1 - 100... others will range beyond that. Nevertheless, you probably
> wont notice any difference between a 4 and a 5.
>
> Most GT's you encounter will be in the 4 -7 "normal distortion" range
> because, that is what most vendors carry. In many cases the vendor will
> order you a set with higher or lower numbers if you want a specific sound.
>
> I repeat: You can be assured that whatever you get from GT will be good
> product with a normal lifespan. Just buy them in sets.
Just read an article in The Absolute Sound about Groove Tubes. Power
tubes are rated from 1 to 10 as mentioned above. It was recommened to
purchase 9's and 10's for Stereo/audio reproduction. They have the
highest gain with the least amount of feedback when driven hard.
Mike Mueller

[jh]

Bret Ludwig schrieb:
>
> mike wrote:
> > - - : R A T B o y : - - wrote:
> >
> > > I repeat: You can be assured that whatever you get from GT will be good
> > > product with a normal lifespan. Just buy them in sets.
> > Just read an article in The Absolute Sound about Groove Tubes. Power
> > tubes are rated from 1 to 10 as mentioned above. It was recommened to
> > purchase 9's and 10's for Stereo/audio reproduction. They have the
> > highest gain with the least amount of feedback when driven hard.
>
> As if they'd know.
>
> The QC from these Balkan so called "tube factories" is lower than
> dog****. They are strictly exploitative businesses, like
> ripoffchardson, only worse. They run old equipment with old workers and
> no quality control on their supplies and no quality assurance
> procedures and no calibration.


Bret

Ain´t the GT12AX7M a chinese tube?

BTW the only balkan tube factory"s" is EI.

JJ isn´t that bad, and I would not designate slovakia as "balkan"


jochen

[Max]

> Whatever choice you make, stay away from Chinese tubes.
>
> My experience with tubes from Groove, first and second-hand has been
> universally poor. For what that's worth.
>
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
>

Hi Peter,

My experience has been somewhat different from yours, so I'll mention it.
I have had very bad luck with Chinese 807's, but good luck with their
12AX7's (the ones which look 'fatter' than US 12AX7's) Of the Chinese
'National' 12AX7A's which I bought in the early to mid 1990s, the only
failure so far has been one I broke by accident. One has been in my preamp
for about 4 years, and I have it turned on at least 3 hours a day, usually
more like 5. When I tested all the tubes in my stereo on a rainy day a
couple months ago, the TV-7 still gave it a passing grade.

As for Groove Tubes... their JJ (TESLA) made 6L6GC's are wonderful. I bought
a quad of them and ran them in my amp for about two years, used every day,
and only replaced them as preventative maintenance. I think I could have got
the tubes cheaper if I mail ordered them, but the GT's are available locally
in guitar/music shops, and pre-matched, so they're convenient.

The 12AX7 I would really avoid, is Sovtek. They are alright when new, but I
have never seen a small signal tube lose its emmission so quickly, after
moderate normal use.

As for the original poster's question, I'll answer it, but maybe not with
the most useful answer. My favourite 12AX7 is Matsu****a, due to low noise,
low distortion, and long life.

Max

[Tom Schlangen]

Hi RATBoy,

> They "match" their power tubes on a scale of 1 - 10
> so that (theoretically) all tubes labeled with the
> same number will have the same gain.

This makes me wonder ... when it comes to production
tolerances, mu is known to be the most stable parameter;
gm and rp usually have a wider relative deviation
range/spread than mu.

So, why do they "match" for the least problematic
parameter? Somehow that doesn't make sense to me.

Tom

--
All the true gurus I've met never claimed
they were one, and always pointed to someone
better. -- Bill Vermillion

[Peter Wieck]

Max wrote:

> As for the original poster's question, I'll answer it, but maybe not with
> the most useful answer. My favourite 12AX7 is Matsu****a, due to low noise,
> low distortion, and long life.

De gustibus non est disputandum (There is no arguing over taste, for
Mr. McCoy)

Stated in all good humor. Matsu****a.... YIKES.... I have used these
beasts on a couple of occasions and a recent porch-puppy was
so-equipped. My experience with them is that they sounded well-enough
but had remarkably short lives in my Dyna and Scott equipment. At the
same time, this really cannot always be true as the Kenwood porch-puppy
is 100% OEM and does fine with them.


Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[GregS]

In article om>, "Peter Wieck" > wrote:
>
>Max wrote:
>
>> As for the original poster's question, I'll answer it, but maybe not with
>> the most useful answer. My favourite 12AX7 is Matsu****a, due to low noise,
>> low distortion, and long life.
>
>De gustibus non est disputandum (There is no arguing over taste, for
>Mr. McCoy)
>
>Stated in all good humor. Matsu****a.... YIKES.... I have used these
>beasts on a couple of occasions and a recent porch-puppy was
>so-equipped. My experience with them is that they sounded well-enough
>but had remarkably short lives in my Dyna and Scott equipment. At the
>same time, this really cannot always be true as the Kenwood porch-puppy
>is 100% OEM and does fine with them.

My favorite 12AX7's are the ones that flash when first turned on. I have
some Japanese models that do that, but I think the European made
one did the same.

I alwasy used to think, this baby isn't going to last long.

greg

[maxhifi]

>>Stated in all good humor. Matsu****a.... YIKES.... I have used these
>>beasts on a couple of occasions and a recent porch-puppy was
>>so-equipped. My experience with them is that they sounded well-enough
>>but had remarkably short lives in my Dyna and Scott equipment. At the
>>same time, this really cannot always be true as the Kenwood porch-puppy
>>is 100% OEM and does fine with them.
>

I've had mine going for about 8 years, in several different applications and
I got them used!! They are only now starting to get near the 'replace' mark
on the TV-7

> My favorite 12AX7's are the ones that flash when first turned on. I have
> some Japanese models that do that, but I think the European made
> one did the same.

philips/mullard
yep they're great too - and of course Telefunken
but Matsu****a are cheaper, and I can't tell the difference between them and
the above, so that's why I like them

>
> I alwasy used to think, this baby isn't going to last long.
>
> greg

[Ned Carlson]

Lord Valve wrote:

> C'mon, dude...are you a noob or something? I'm not anti-GT;
> I'm a GT dealer. I sell 'em. I like some of them, in fact - BUT
> AS A DEALER, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DOUBLE SCREEN
> THE DAMN THINGS LIKE I HAVE TO WITH RAW STOCK.

Two things I agree with LV on: 1. See above. 2. George Bush is not a
conservative.

Supposedly the GT matching process doesn't have have anything
to do with tube current.. but if it doesn't, then how the heck
can they be matched? The output transformer wants tubes
matched for current, not some hypothetical matching for
distortion: and electrical characteristics determine
distortion. RDH says so, so do other genuine engineers.

I have 20 plastic Mexican pesos in my pocket I will
mail to Lord Valve if Aspen Pittman (not some fake
sockpuppet) himself gets on Usenet to dispute any of this.
He can tack the 20 peso note on his bulletin board next
to one of the fried grasshoppers I sent him.

If George Bush shows up to dispute whether he's
a conservative or not.. golly, I dunno what kind of
bet I'd lay on THAT.

How's your crop o' chile peppers, Willie?

> "It ain't braggin', if ya can do it." - Dizzy Dean

I wish Mark Buerhle could say that.

--
Ned Carlson
SW side of Chicago, USA
www.tubezone.net

[Lord Valve]

Ned Carlson wrote:

> Lord Valve wrote:
>
> > C'mon, dude...are you a noob or something? I'm not anti-GT;
> > I'm a GT dealer. I sell 'em. I like some of them, in fact - BUT
> > AS A DEALER, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DOUBLE SCREEN
> > THE DAMN THINGS LIKE I HAVE TO WITH RAW STOCK.
>
> Two things I agree with LV on: 1. See above. 2. George Bush is not a
> conservative.

Well, he *is*, but not nearly enough for me.

Considering that John "Lurch" Kerry was the alternative, it
was no contest.

> Supposedly the GT matching process doesn't have have anything
> to do with tube current.. but if it doesn't, then how the heck
> can they be matched? The output transformer wants tubes
> matched for current, not some hypothetical matching for
> distortion: and electrical characteristics determine
> distortion. RDH says so, so do other genuine engineers.

I have *no idea* what it is they test for.

And neither, as far as I can tell, do they.

> I have 20 plastic Mexican pesos in my pocket I will
> mail to Lord Valve if Aspen Pittman (not some fake
> sockpuppet) himself gets on Usenet to dispute any of this.

Don't hold your breath.

I mean, I don't have anything against him - anyone who
causes more tubes to be built is OK with me - but I think
he's more of a vintage guitar amp collector than anything
else.

> He can tack the 20 peso note on his bulletin board next
> to one of the fried grasshoppers I sent him.

Ewwwww. Bugz.

> If George Bush shows up to dispute whether he's
> a conservative or not.. golly, I dunno what kind of
> bet I'd lay on THAT.

I don't think you'll find anyone over the rank of city councillman on the
Usenet.

> How's your crop o' chile peppers, Willie?

Small, from what the vendors have been saying.
All the signs say "SHORT CHILE SEASON," but the
vendors are selling them at $5/bushel below last year's
prices. We've peeled/frozen 6 bushels so far; a
bushel yields about 14-17 pounds of peeled, seeded
and roasted chiles. I eat about a half-pound of 'em
every day, so they don't last long. ;-) These are
the Hatch variety; I really prefer Pueblos but I can't
seem to find anyone selling them this year. They've
started charging $1/bushel for roasting them this
year - something new. Probably propane prices
are way up or something. I don't know if you've
seen it done (this way) but they have a giant
squirrel-cage wire basket thingy driven with
a chain and sprocket; a motor spins the basket
through the flame that roars out of 5-6 propane
jets below. Sounds like a jet engine close up.
Smells like heaven. ;-)

> > "It ain't braggin', if ya can do it." - Dizzy Dean
>
> I wish Mark Buerhle could say that.

Jeez, I hadda Google that.

I don't follow any sport played with a round ball.


Lord Valve
Expert

VISIT MY WEBSITE: http://www.nebsnow.com/LordValve
I specialize in top quality HAND SELECTED NOS and
current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and
bass amps. Good prices, fast service.
Authorized dealer for QSC amps, Sovtek/Electro-Harmonix,
Behringer, Hammond-Suzuki, Leslie, Rolls, many more!


- Partial Client List -
* Derek Trucks (Allman Brothers Band/Derek Trucks Band) *
* Meatloaf * Catherine Wheel * Yo La Tengo * Let's Go Bowling *
* Kofi Burbridge (DTB) * Tod Smallie (DTB) * Susan Tedeschi *
* Roy Pritts (former head, Audio Engineering Society) *
* Rob Hyckys (guitarist for Commander Cody) * Waky Amps *
* Jamie McLean (guitarist for the Dirty Dozen Brass Band) *
* John Pierce (bassist for Huey Lewis and the News) *
* Coco Montoya * Clint Black * Bill McKay * John Denver * Dick Dale *
* Fleetwood Mac * Tyrin Benoit * Eugene Fodor * Dale Bruning *
* Komet Amplification * Dr. Z * Maven Peal * Blockhead Amps *
* Jim Kelley * Balls Amplification * Roccaforte Amplifiers *
* Gerhart Amplification * Aiken Amplification * Germino Amplification *
* Lots More *

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[Ned Carlson]

Lord Valve wrote:

>>Two things I agree with LV on: 1. See above. 2. George Bush is not a
>>conservative.
>
>
> Well, he *is*, but not nearly enough for me.

On what level except for lip service is this guy a
conservative?
I'm an ex-Libertarian myself, so I hate moneywasters.
George and his gang just LOVE ****ing away Your Tax
Dollars. That's not conservative politics. It's
good-old-boy Yale preppies feeling each other up.
Mayor Daley and Carlos Salinas together couldn't
**** away tax money at the rate the Bush
administration does.


>
> Considering that John "Lurch" Kerry was the alternative, it
> was no contest.

Man, that guy had/has more ways to stick his foot in his
mouth than a centipede has feet.

> I have *no idea* what it is they test for.
>
> And neither, as far as I can tell, do they.

Agreed.

>
>>I have 20 plastic Mexican pesos in my pocket I will
>>mail to Lord Valve if Aspen Pittman (not some fake
>>sockpuppet) himself gets on Usenet to dispute any of this.
>
>
> Don't hold your breath.

I may send you one as a Christmas present, anyway.



> Ewwwww. Bugz.

They're low fat and high protein. Perfect Atkins Diet food.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco_filling


>
> Small, from what the vendors have been saying.
> All the signs say "SHORT CHILE SEASON," but the
> vendors are selling them at $5/bushel below last year's
> prices. We've peeled/frozen 6 bushels so far; a
> bushel yields about 14-17 pounds of peeled, seeded
> and roasted chiles. I eat about a half-pound of 'em
> every day, so they don't last long. ;-)

Good Lord, Lord, what does your asshole feel like
after eating a HALF POUND of freaking peppers every
day? I mean, I'm an adopted Mexican (by reverse injection
or osmosis) I would never even think of ingesting
a half a pound of peppers. Unless my wife made chiles
rellenos.

These are
> the Hatch variety; I really prefer Pueblos but I can't
> seem to find anyone selling them this year. They've
> started charging $1/bushel for roasting them this
> year - something new. Probably propane prices
> are way up or something. I don't know if you've
> seen it done (this way) but they have a giant
> squirrel-cage wire basket thingy driven with
> a chain and sprocket; a motor spins the basket
> through the flame that roars out of 5-6 propane
> jets below. Sounds like a jet engine close up.
> Smells like heaven. ;-)

All the roasted chile peppers I ever smelt were
on a comal, direct in the fire or parilla (grill).
Really strong ones are bad enough that the
capasicum gas makes one's eye's water.
Habaneros can cause finger burns -- "dedos
enchilados"
That said, New Mexico chiles (Hatch or Pueblos)
are good stuff. I've run into native Mexicans who
like the New Mexico chiles better than the usual
Old Mexico poblanos, that's saying something considering
the amazing variety of chiles in Mexico. "Gordo y
sabroso" Fat & Tasty.

>>> "It ain't braggin', if ya can do it." - Dizzy Dean
>>
>>I wish Mark Buerhle could say that.
>
>
> Jeez, I hadda Google that.
>
> I don't follow any sport played with a round ball.

I can understand that, neither DC or Denver has
ever had a decent baseball club for very long.

Yet, you quoted The Diz, a legendary St. Louis
Cardinals pitcher. The Cards could use a pitcher
like Dizzy right now. So could the freakin'
White Sox.


--
Ned Carlson
SW side of Chicago, USA
www.tubezone.net

[Lord Valve]

Ned Carlson wrote:

> Lord Valve wrote:
>
> >>Two things I agree with LV on: 1. See above. 2. George Bush is not a
> >>conservative.
> >
> >
> > Well, he *is*, but not nearly enough for me.
>
> On what level except for lip service is this guy a
> conservative?
> I'm an ex-Libertarian myself, so I hate moneywasters.
> George and his gang just LOVE ****ing away Your Tax
> Dollars. That's not conservative politics. It's
> good-old-boy Yale preppies feeling each other up.
> Mayor Daley and Carlos Salinas together couldn't
> **** away tax money at the rate the Bush
> administration does.
>

Not gonna get into it with ya, Ned. ;-)

I'm just glad that neither Lurch nor Al "the automobile is the
worst danger faced by Mankind" Gore is POTUS.

> > Considering that John "Lurch" Kerry was the alternative, it
> > was no contest.
>
> Man, that guy had/has more ways to stick his foot in his
> mouth than a centipede has feet.
>
> > I have *no idea* what it is they test for.
> >
> > And neither, as far as I can tell, do they.
>
> Agreed.
>
> >
> >>I have 20 plastic Mexican pesos in my pocket I will
> >>mail to Lord Valve if Aspen Pittman (not some fake
> >>sockpuppet) himself gets on Usenet to dispute any of this.
> >
> >
> > Don't hold your breath.
>
> I may send you one as a Christmas present, anyway.
>
> > Ewwwww. Bugz.
>
> They're low fat and high protein. Perfect Atkins Diet food.
> See:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco_filling

No ****in' BUGZ fer this fatboy.

If I was down to 98 pounds in the middle of a famine,
maybe. As long as the supermarkets are up and
running, I ain't eatin' no goddamn BUGZ. YEECCCHHHH!

> > Small, from what the vendors have been saying.
> > All the signs say "SHORT CHILE SEASON," but the
> > vendors are selling them at $5/bushel below last year's
> > prices. We've peeled/frozen 6 bushels so far; a
> > bushel yields about 14-17 pounds of peeled, seeded
> > and roasted chiles. I eat about a half-pound of 'em
> > every day, so they don't last long. ;-)
>
> Good Lord, Lord, what does your asshole feel like
> after eating a HALF POUND of freaking peppers every
> day?

The Lord is touched with your concern for His Asshole. I think.

> I mean, I'm an adopted Mexican (by reverse injection
> or osmosis) I would never even think of ingesting
> a half a pound of peppers. Unless my wife made chiles
> rellenos.

When we buy 'em, the vendors ask us what heat we want.

They come in Mild, Medium, Hot, Not for Gringos, and
Call A ****ing Ambulance. We usually get the mild
ones, which are still pretty damn hot. Those I eat
fried for breakfast, about a half-pound of 'em, with
some eggs, salsa, and chorizo. We also get the
Hot ones, which I make green chile out of, either
with chicken or pork. Made some with ham one
year, it was dynamite.

> > These are
> > the Hatch variety; I really prefer Pueblos but I can't
> > seem to find anyone selling them this year. They've
> > started charging $1/bushel for roasting them this
> > year - something new. Probably propane prices
> > are way up or something. I don't know if you've
> > seen it done (this way) but they have a giant
> > squirrel-cage wire basket thingy driven with
> > a chain and sprocket; a motor spins the basket
> > through the flame that roars out of 5-6 propane
> > jets below. Sounds like a jet engine close up.
> > Smells like heaven. ;-)
>
> All the roasted chile peppers I ever smelt were
> on a comal, direct in the fire or parilla (grill).
> Really strong ones are bad enough that the
> capasicum gas makes one's eye's water.
> Habaneros can cause finger burns -- "dedos
> enchilados"

We wear latex gloves while we're cleaning them.

The first year we ever did it, I didn't wear gloves...
I washed up after we were through; took a leak
nearly an hour later and burnt my willy up with
leftover capsicum. That **** stays with ya...my
willy was still on fire two hours later. Some dude
on Harmony Central put up a post about cooking
with fresh chiles and then picking his nose. Pretty
funny. Guitar player, y'know? ;-)


> That said, New Mexico chiles (Hatch or Pueblos)
> are good stuff. I've run into native Mexicans whoa
> like the New Mexico chiles better than the usual
> Old Mexico poblanos, that's saying something considering
> the amazing variety of chiles in Mexico. "Gordo y
> sabroso" Fat & Tasty.
>
> >>> "It ain't braggin', if ya can do it." - Dizzy Dean
> >>
> >>I wish Mark Buerhle could say that.
> >
> >
> > Jeez, I hadda Google that.
> >
> > I don't follow any sport played with a round ball.
>
> I can understand that, neither DC or Denver has
> ever had a decent baseball club for very long.

Yeah, but that includes basketball, tennis and golf, too.

Now, if they played Rollerball, I'd be on board. ;-)

> Yet, you quoted The Diz, a legendary St. Louis
> Cardinals pitcher. The Cards could use a pitcher
> like Dizzy right now. So could the freakin'
> White Sox.

Well, baseball lore is part of the American lexicon.

Even baseball haters like me know stuff like "Say it
ain't so, Joe," and the one about Babe Ruth passing
out after eating 25 hot dogs and an apple, and then
waking up and saying "I knew I shouldn'ta ate that
apple." I like the schtick that goes with baseball,
I just don't enjoy watching it played, much. All the
baseball I need is on the highlight reels during
the evening news. Show me a triple play, fine.
Let's see it again in slow motion, from a different
angle. That's good, too. But I ain't sittin' on my
fat ass for three hours waiting for it to happen. ;-)

Lord Valve
American

[Ned Carlson]

Lord Valve wrote:

> The Lord is touched with your concern for His Asshole. I think.

I'm not so much concerned as I was hoping for a
high-larious recount of what happens after someone eats
a half a fweakin' pound of chiles.

I have heard chiles are a good prophylactic against
colon cancer.

> We wear latex gloves while we're cleaning them.
>
> The first year we ever did it, I didn't wear gloves...
> I washed up after we were through; took a leak
> nearly an hour later and burnt my willy up with
> leftover capsicum.

Yeah, I had about the same thing happen
after chopping up some chile piquin - tiny little
suckers, a little sliver turns a taco into a
molotov cocktail. The yelps eminating from the
bathroom had my old lady and her friends giggling
at the old gringo, of course.

So, I wash my hands real well, and an hour later
there's still enough capsacium left on my
fingers that I completely wrecked a contact lens
trying to take it out. After that tiny amount of
chile oil got in there, the lens was worthless.

You think the chile folks had a bad harvest?
I lost all my corn and most of my sunflower
seeds to squirrels, and squash to vine borers.


--
Ned Carlson
SW side of Chicago, USA
www.tubezone.net