Re: America has a great new concert hall

[Robert Morein]

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>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote:
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>>>>>> ...
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>>>>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> The Schermerhorn is finally open. It's a stunning hall and it's
>>>>>>>> reported to have incredible acoustics. It's very similar to both
>>>>>>>> Boston Symphony Hall and the Concertgeboux in terms of volume,
>>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>>> and seating capacity. The acousticians tried to combine the best
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> both halls, the volume and projection of the Concertgeobux
>>>>>>>> combined
>>>>>>>> with the clarity of the Boston. Everything has been factored in,
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the seat padding to the design of refracting and reflecting
>>>>>>>> surfaces.
>>>>>>>> The hall itself is separated from the "outer box" by a three (or
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> two?) inch acoustic gap and all of the mechanicals are isolated
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> outer box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the fact sheet:
>>>>>>>
http://www.nashvillesymphony.org/res/ssc_fact_sheet_10-31.pdf#search=%22>>>>>>>
S
>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>> rmerhorn%20acoustic%20design%22
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compare to Verizon Hall in Philly. Verizon Hall is separated from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> "outer box" via a 10 foot space. The outer box stands free within
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Kimmel Center, which also houses the smaller Perelman Theater.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it appears to have serious problems. See
>>>>>>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15291303.htm for a
>>>>>>> description
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ambitious design is described by the acoustic architectural
>>>>>>> firm
>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>
http://www.artec-usa.com/03_projects/performing_arts_venues/kimmel_cente>>>>>>>
r
>>>>>>> /ve
>>>>>>> rizon_hall_kimmel_philadelphia.html,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Verizon Hall may be the only concert hall in the world to be
>>>>>>> shaped
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> cello, a design proposed by the world-renowned architect, Rafael
>>>>>>> Viñoly.
>>>>>>> In addition, the hall includes 260,000 cubic feet of coupled
>>>>>>> reverberation
>>>>>>> space, motorized adjustable acoustical banners, and a three-piece
>>>>>>> vertically moving acoustical canopy system, which hangs above the
>>>>>>> stage
>>>>>>> area. The moving elements can be adjusted to tailor the room,
>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> acoustically, to the needs of the performance."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>> http://blogs.ocregister.com/mangan/archives/2006/08/post_6.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is Boston's Symphony Hall, that plain rectangular box, still
>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>> favorite symphony hall?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is still right up there with the old Carnegie (and some would
>>>>>> argue
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> the new Carnegie) as the best sounding in this country.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not had the pleasure of hearing Symphony Hall, but I can testify
>>>>> that Carnegie is the best hall that I've ever heard, from a variety
>>>>> of
>>>>> audience seats and from the conductor podium, bar none. It's not
>>>>> even
>>>>> close to anywhere else in my experience.
>>>>
>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>
>>> From 17th Ave, turn west on W 57th St. and you're right there!
>>>
>> I just want to point out a slight error forgiveable to any out-of-towner:
>> It's 7th Avenue. There is no 17th Avenue.
>> By subway, from Penn Station:
>> Exit Penn Station on the east side at 32 Street. Cross 7th Avenue, walk
>> east
>> one block, and enter the Herald Square subway station. Take the N,R,Q,orW
>> to
>> 57th Street.
>>
>>> Oh, OK.....
>>>
>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>
>>> PRACTICE! (and be very lucky)
>> and good!
>
> Hey SOUNDHASPRIORITY:
> Question to whom I presume is a NYC local:
> If I looked down 7th Ave (away from Central Park, Lincoln Center, etc,
> toward the Broadway theater area), would the sky there been filled with
> the WTC towers? Just trying to get my bearings. I had such a
> wonderful NYC trip, but time didn't allow for a "Ground Zero" visit,
> regrettably.
>
> Jenn, Soundhaspriority, aka me, aka Bob Morein, actually resides a bit NW of
> Philadelphia, 72.07 miles from the WTC as the crow flies. I consider myself
> a "virtual", cultural resident of the Big Apple, having made it the center
> of my cultural affections many years ago. To compensate for the fact of not
> being an actual NYC resident, I did some research with a mapping program,
> DeLorme Topo 6.0. The WTC site is 4.10 miles from the intersection of 7th &
> 57th. That's about 21,000 feet. The towers were about 1400 feet high. From
> 7th & 57th, the towers reached about 3.6 degrees above the horizon. The
> towers were more closely in line with 5th Avenue, two avenues toward the
> east. So I doubt, and do not recall, that the towers would have been visible
> from the intersection.
>
> When I come out of Penn Station at 7th & 32nd, the Empire State building is
> only two avenues east on 33rd Street. Yet it cannot be seen, because nearer,
> but shorter buildings take up a much greater vertical angle.
>
> The view of the Towers I remember best is from the New Jersey Transit train
> as it approaches NYC from the south on the Amtrak Northeast Corridor. It
> passes over miles of wetlands, of marshes of bullrush barely capable of
> supporting a man and his dog (a quote, I can't remember from what), the same
> land described in the beginning of The Great Gatsby. From this vantage, the
> Twin Towers were a glorious symbol for the many foreign tourists who also
> take that train. If Chicago is "the city of broad shoulders", NYC was known
> as the city of skyscrapers and fast elevators. It was fun to play tour guide
> on that train.
>
> But now the towers are gone, anemically replaced by the Empire State, the
> Chrysler Building, and, I think, one more building in the financial district
> that I can't name. When the Towers stood, I had ambiguous feelings toward
> them. I never went inside. Crossing the WTC plaza, they affected me with
> inhuman scale, failing to warm the neighborhood, which relied still on
> decrepit old buildings on side streets to provide the amenities that make
> even a workday existence bearable.
>
> But now they are gone. I miss them the way I miss the other trademark
> aspirations to greatness that this country made before encountering the
> limits of growth. I'm not sure why. It brings to mind all the contradictions
> of being American: opportunities, some real, some virtual, some imaginary.
> Patriotism that tries to imply kinship with strangers, yet cities full of
> neighborhoods in which I cannot walk. Usenet newsgroups of vicious, hostile
> people. Invitations to kindness, or evil. Real heroes who don't know they
> are, and people who imagine themselve such.
>
> On a day like this, I define myself by the illusions I choose to keep, the
> hopes I cherish, and willing blindness toward omnipresent evil.
>
> Bob Morein
> (215) 646-4894


Sorry guys, forgery.

Robert Morein
Shop "N Bag, Penn

[bassett]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
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> In article ,
> "Soundhaspriority"
> > wrote:
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>> Soundhaspriority wrote:
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>>> m...
>>>> In article >,
>>>> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
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>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>> .
>>>>> com
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> The Schermerhorn is finally open. It's a stunning hall and it's
>>>>>>>>> reported to have incredible acoustics. It's very similar to both
>>>>>>>>> Boston Symphony Hall and the Concertgeboux in terms of volume,
>>>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>>>> and seating capacity. The acousticians tried to combine the best
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> both halls, the volume and projection of the Concertgeobux
>>>>>>>>> combined
>>>>>>>>> with the clarity of the Boston. Everything has been factored in,
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the seat padding to the design of refracting and reflecting
>>>>>>>>> surfaces.
>>>>>>>>> The hall itself is separated from the "outer box" by a three (or
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> two?) inch acoustic gap and all of the mechanicals are isolated
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> outer box.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's the fact sheet:
>>>>>>>>
> http://www.nashvillesymphony.org/res/ssc_fact_sheet_10-31.pdf#search=%22>>>>>>>
> S
>>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>>> rmerhorn%20acoustic%20design%22
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Compare to Verizon Hall in Philly. Verizon Hall is separated from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> "outer box" via a 10 foot space. The outer box stands free within
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Kimmel Center, which also houses the smaller Perelman Theater.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it appears to have serious problems. See
>>>>>>>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15291303.htm for a
>>>>>>>> description
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ambitious design is described by the acoustic architectural
>>>>>>>> firm
>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>
> http://www.artec-usa.com/03_projects/performing_arts_venues/kimmel_cente>>>>>>>
> r
>>>>>>>> /ve
>>>>>>>> rizon_hall_kimmel_philadelphia.html,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Verizon Hall may be the only concert hall in the world to be
>>>>>>>> shaped
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> cello, a design proposed by the world-renowned architect, Rafael
>>>>>>>> Viñoly.
>>>>>>>> In addition, the hall includes 260,000 cubic feet of coupled
>>>>>>>> reverberation
>>>>>>>> space, motorized adjustable acoustical banners, and a three-piece
>>>>>>>> vertically moving acoustical canopy system, which hangs above the
>>>>>>>> stage
>>>>>>>> area. The moving elements can be adjusted to tailor the room,
>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> acoustically, to the needs of the performance."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>> http://blogs.ocregister.com/mangan/archives/2006/08/post_6.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is Boston's Symphony Hall, that plain rectangular box, still
>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>> favorite symphony hall?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is still right up there with the old Carnegie (and some would
>>>>>>> argue
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> the new Carnegie) as the best sounding in this country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not had the pleasure of hearing Symphony Hall, but I can testify
>>>>>> that Carnegie is the best hall that I've ever heard, from a variety
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> audience seats and from the conductor podium, bar none. It's not
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> close to anywhere else in my experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>>
>>>> From 17th Ave, turn west on W 57th St. and you're right there!
>>>>
>>> I just want to point out a slight error forgiveable to any
>>> out-of-towner:
>>> It's 7th Avenue. There is no 17th Avenue.
>>> By subway, from Penn Station:
>>> Exit Penn Station on the east side at 32 Street. Cross 7th Avenue, walk
>>> east
>>> one block, and enter the Herald Square subway station. Take the
>>> N,R,Q,orW
>>> to
>>> 57th Street.
>>>
>>>> Oh, OK.....
>>>>
>>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>>
>>>> PRACTICE! (and be very lucky)
>>> and good!
>>
>> Hey SOUNDHASPRIORITY:
>> Question to whom I presume is a NYC local:
>> If I looked down 7th Ave (away from Central Park, Lincoln Center, etc,
>> toward the Broadway theater area), would the sky there been filled with
>> the WTC towers? Just trying to get my bearings. I had such a
>> wonderful NYC trip, but time didn't allow for a "Ground Zero" visit,
>> regrettably.
>>
>> Jenn, Soundhaspriority, aka me, aka Bob Morein, actually resides a bit NW
>> of
>> Philadelphia, 72.07 miles from the WTC as the crow flies. I consider
>> myself
>> a "virtual", cultural resident of the Big Apple, having made it the
>> center
>> of my cultural affections many years ago. To compensate for the fact of
>> not
>> being an actual NYC resident, I did some research with a mapping program,
>> DeLorme Topo 6.0. The WTC site is 4.10 miles from the intersection of 7th
>> &
>> 57th. That's about 21,000 feet. The towers were about 1400 feet high.
>> From
>> 7th & 57th, the towers reached about 3.6 degrees above the horizon. The
>> towers were more closely in line with 5th Avenue, two avenues toward the
>> east. So I doubt, and do not recall, that the towers would have been
>> visible
>> from the intersection.
>>
>> When I come out of Penn Station at 7th & 32nd, the Empire State building
>> is
>> only two avenues east on 33rd Street. Yet it cannot be seen, because
>> nearer,
>> but shorter buildings take up a much greater vertical angle.
>>
>> The view of the Towers I remember best is from the New Jersey Transit
>> train
>> as it approaches NYC from the south on the Amtrak Northeast Corridor. It
>> passes over miles of wetlands, of marshes of bullrush barely capable of
>> supporting a man and his dog (a quote, I can't remember from what), the
>> same
>> land described in the beginning of The Great Gatsby. From this vantage,
>> the
>> Twin Towers were a glorious symbol for the many foreign tourists who also
>> take that train. If Chicago is "the city of broad shoulders", NYC was
>> known
>> as the city of skyscrapers and fast elevators. It was fun to play tour
>> guide
>> on that train.
>>
>> But now the towers are gone, anemically replaced by the Empire State, the
>> Chrysler Building, and, I think, one more building in the financial
>> district
>> that I can't name. When the Towers stood, I had ambiguous feelings toward
>> them. I never went inside. Crossing the WTC plaza, they affected me with
>> inhuman scale, failing to warm the neighborhood, which relied still on
>> decrepit old buildings on side streets to provide the amenities that make
>> even a workday existence bearable.
>>
>> But now they are gone. I miss them the way I miss the other trademark
>> aspirations to greatness that this country made before encountering the
>> limits of growth. I'm not sure why. It brings to mind all the
>> contradictions
>> of being American: opportunities, some real, some virtual, some
>> imaginary.
>> Patriotism that tries to imply kinship with strangers, yet cities full of
>> neighborhoods in which I cannot walk. Usenet newsgroups of vicious,
>> hostile
>> people. Invitations to kindness, or evil. Real heroes who don't know they
>> are, and people who imagine themselve such.
>>
>> On a day like this, I define myself by the illusions I choose to keep,
>> the
>> hopes I cherish, and willing blindness toward omnipresent evil.
>>
>> Bob Morein
>> (215) 646-4894
>
>
> Sorry guys, forgery.
>
> Robert Morein
> Shop "N Bag, Penn


Churches will no doubt be along anytime soon, to correct your mistakes, and
give everyone his expert opinion, on all the above.

[Iain Churches]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> In article ,
>> "Soundhaspriority"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> Soundhaspriority wrote:
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> m...
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> com
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> The Schermerhorn is finally open. It's a stunning hall and it's
>>>>>>>>>> reported to have incredible acoustics. It's very similar to both
>>>>>>>>>> Boston Symphony Hall and the Concertgeboux in terms of volume,
>>>>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>>>>> and seating capacity. The acousticians tried to combine the best
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> both halls, the volume and projection of the Concertgeobux
>>>>>>>>>> combined
>>>>>>>>>> with the clarity of the Boston. Everything has been factored in,
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the seat padding to the design of refracting and reflecting
>>>>>>>>>> surfaces.
>>>>>>>>>> The hall itself is separated from the "outer box" by a three (or
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> two?) inch acoustic gap and all of the mechanicals are isolated
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> outer box.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's the fact sheet:
>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.nashvillesymphony.org/res/ssc_fact_sheet_10-31.pdf#search=%22>>>>>>>
>> S
>>>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>>>> rmerhorn%20acoustic%20design%22
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Compare to Verizon Hall in Philly. Verizon Hall is separated from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> "outer box" via a 10 foot space. The outer box stands free within
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Kimmel Center, which also houses the smaller Perelman Theater.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it appears to have serious problems. See
>>>>>>>>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15291303.htm for a
>>>>>>>>> description
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The ambitious design is described by the acoustic architectural
>>>>>>>>> firm
>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.artec-usa.com/03_projects/performing_arts_venues/kimmel_cente>>>>>>>
>> r
>>>>>>>>> /ve
>>>>>>>>> rizon_hall_kimmel_philadelphia.html,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Verizon Hall may be the only concert hall in the world to be
>>>>>>>>> shaped
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> cello, a design proposed by the world-renowned architect, Rafael
>>>>>>>>> Viñoly.
>>>>>>>>> In addition, the hall includes 260,000 cubic feet of coupled
>>>>>>>>> reverberation
>>>>>>>>> space, motorized adjustable acoustical banners, and a three-piece
>>>>>>>>> vertically moving acoustical canopy system, which hangs above the
>>>>>>>>> stage
>>>>>>>>> area. The moving elements can be adjusted to tailor the room,
>>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> acoustically, to the needs of the performance."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.ocregister.com/mangan/archives/2006/08/post_6.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is Boston's Symphony Hall, that plain rectangular box, still
>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>> favorite symphony hall?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is still right up there with the old Carnegie (and some would
>>>>>>>> argue
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> the new Carnegie) as the best sounding in this country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've not had the pleasure of hearing Symphony Hall, but I can
>>>>>>> testify
>>>>>>> that Carnegie is the best hall that I've ever heard, from a variety
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> audience seats and from the conductor podium, bar none. It's not
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> close to anywhere else in my experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>>>
>>>>> From 17th Ave, turn west on W 57th St. and you're right there!
>>>>>
>>>> I just want to point out a slight error forgiveable to any
>>>> out-of-towner:
>>>> It's 7th Avenue. There is no 17th Avenue.
>>>> By subway, from Penn Station:
>>>> Exit Penn Station on the east side at 32 Street. Cross 7th Avenue, walk
>>>> east
>>>> one block, and enter the Herald Square subway station. Take the
>>>> N,R,Q,orW
>>>> to
>>>> 57th Street.
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, OK.....
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>>>
>>>>> PRACTICE! (and be very lucky)
>>>> and good!
>>>
>>> Hey SOUNDHASPRIORITY:
>>> Question to whom I presume is a NYC local:
>>> If I looked down 7th Ave (away from Central Park, Lincoln Center, etc,
>>> toward the Broadway theater area), would the sky there been filled with
>>> the WTC towers? Just trying to get my bearings. I had such a
>>> wonderful NYC trip, but time didn't allow for a "Ground Zero" visit,
>>> regrettably.
>>>
>>> Jenn, Soundhaspriority, aka me, aka Bob Morein, actually resides a bit
>>> NW of
>>> Philadelphia, 72.07 miles from the WTC as the crow flies. I consider
>>> myself
>>> a "virtual", cultural resident of the Big Apple, having made it the
>>> center
>>> of my cultural affections many years ago. To compensate for the fact of
>>> not
>>> being an actual NYC resident, I did some research with a mapping
>>> program,
>>> DeLorme Topo 6.0. The WTC site is 4.10 miles from the intersection of
>>> 7th &
>>> 57th. That's about 21,000 feet. The towers were about 1400 feet high.
>>> From
>>> 7th & 57th, the towers reached about 3.6 degrees above the horizon. The
>>> towers were more closely in line with 5th Avenue, two avenues toward the
>>> east. So I doubt, and do not recall, that the towers would have been
>>> visible
>>> from the intersection.
>>>
>>> When I come out of Penn Station at 7th & 32nd, the Empire State
>>> building is
>>> only two avenues east on 33rd Street. Yet it cannot be seen, because
>>> nearer,
>>> but shorter buildings take up a much greater vertical angle.
>>>
>>> The view of the Towers I remember best is from the New Jersey Transit
>>> train
>>> as it approaches NYC from the south on the Amtrak Northeast Corridor. It
>>> passes over miles of wetlands, of marshes of bullrush barely capable of
>>> supporting a man and his dog (a quote, I can't remember from what), the
>>> same
>>> land described in the beginning of The Great Gatsby. From this vantage,
>>> the
>>> Twin Towers were a glorious symbol for the many foreign tourists who
>>> also
>>> take that train. If Chicago is "the city of broad shoulders", NYC was
>>> known
>>> as the city of skyscrapers and fast elevators. It was fun to play tour
>>> guide
>>> on that train.
>>>
>>> But now the towers are gone, anemically replaced by the Empire State,
>>> the
>>> Chrysler Building, and, I think, one more building in the financial
>>> district
>>> that I can't name. When the Towers stood, I had ambiguous feelings
>>> toward
>>> them. I never went inside. Crossing the WTC plaza, they affected me with
>>> inhuman scale, failing to warm the neighborhood, which relied still on
>>> decrepit old buildings on side streets to provide the amenities that
>>> make
>>> even a workday existence bearable.
>>>
>>> But now they are gone. I miss them the way I miss the other trademark
>>> aspirations to greatness that this country made before encountering the
>>> limits of growth. I'm not sure why. It brings to mind all the
>>> contradictions
>>> of being American: opportunities, some real, some virtual, some
>>> imaginary.
>>> Patriotism that tries to imply kinship with strangers, yet cities full
>>> of
>>> neighborhoods in which I cannot walk. Usenet newsgroups of vicious,
>>> hostile
>>> people. Invitations to kindness, or evil. Real heroes who don't know
>>> they
>>> are, and people who imagine themselve such.
>>>
>>> On a day like this, I define myself by the illusions I choose to keep,
>>> the
>>> hopes I cherish, and willing blindness toward omnipresent evil.
>>>
>>> Bob Morein
>>> (215) 646-4894
>>
>>
>> Sorry guys, forgery.
>>
>> Robert Morein
>> Shop "N Bag, Penn
>
>
> Churches will no doubt be along anytime soon, to correct your mistakes,
> and give everyone his expert opinion, on all the above.

Sorry Bassett. Can't oblige. I thought it an excellent and thought-
inspiring thread.

I have worked on recording projects at the Concertgebouw
on several occasions. A wonderful concert hall with fine-sounding
organ.

Unfortunately, I have never been to Boston's Symphony Hall:-(
Maybe one day:-)

I notice, Bassett, that you had no observations to make on
what Robert, Jen, Dave and Harry wrote above. So why
did you bother to post at all? :-((

Iain

[Scott Fraser]

<<>> If I looked down 7th Ave (away from Central Park, Lincoln Center,
etc,
>> toward the Broadway theater area), would the sky there been filled with
>> the WTC towers? >>

No. They were further east. I can tell you from personal experience
that had you stood in the middle of 7th Ave in Midtown looking downtown
on September 11th, one could not directly see the smoke plumes, nor,
later the dust cloud. There was a darkness at the end of the island,
just a general haze, but there are too many tall buildings closer in to
have a clear view that far downtown.

<<Just trying to get my bearings. I had such a
>> wonderful NYC trip, but time didn't allow for a "Ground Zero" visit,
>> regrettably. >>

Well, it will be a long time before anything gets built there, so you
can check again in the future. It's moving.

Scott Fraser

[bassett]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
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>
> "bassett" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> In article ,
>>> "Soundhaspriority"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Soundhaspriority wrote:
>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> m...
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> The Schermerhorn is finally open. It's a stunning hall and it's
>>>>>>>>>>> reported to have incredible acoustics. It's very similar to both
>>>>>>>>>>> Boston Symphony Hall and the Concertgeboux in terms of volume,
>>>>>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>>>>>> and seating capacity. The acousticians tried to combine the best
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> both halls, the volume and projection of the Concertgeobux
>>>>>>>>>>> combined
>>>>>>>>>>> with the clarity of the Boston. Everything has been factored in,
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> the seat padding to the design of refracting and reflecting
>>>>>>>>>>> surfaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> The hall itself is separated from the "outer box" by a three (or
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> two?) inch acoustic gap and all of the mechanicals are isolated
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> outer box.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the fact sheet:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.nashvillesymphony.org/res/ssc_fact_sheet_10-31.pdf#search=%22>>>>>>>
>>> S
>>>>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>>>>> rmerhorn%20acoustic%20design%22
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Compare to Verizon Hall in Philly. Verizon Hall is separated from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> "outer box" via a 10 foot space. The outer box stands free within
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Kimmel Center, which also houses the smaller Perelman Theater.
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it appears to have serious problems. See
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15291303.htm for a
>>>>>>>>>> description
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The ambitious design is described by the acoustic architectural
>>>>>>>>>> firm
>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.artec-usa.com/03_projects/performing_arts_venues/kimmel_cente>>>>>>>
>>> r
>>>>>>>>>> /ve
>>>>>>>>>> rizon_hall_kimmel_philadelphia.html,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Verizon Hall may be the only concert hall in the world to be
>>>>>>>>>> shaped
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> cello, a design proposed by the world-renowned architect, Rafael
>>>>>>>>>> Viñoly.
>>>>>>>>>> In addition, the hall includes 260,000 cubic feet of coupled
>>>>>>>>>> reverberation
>>>>>>>>>> space, motorized adjustable acoustical banners, and a three-piece
>>>>>>>>>> vertically moving acoustical canopy system, which hangs above the
>>>>>>>>>> stage
>>>>>>>>>> area. The moving elements can be adjusted to tailor the room,
>>>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> acoustically, to the needs of the performance."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.ocregister.com/mangan/archives/2006/08/post_6.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is Boston's Symphony Hall, that plain rectangular box, still
>>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>>> favorite symphony hall?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is still right up there with the old Carnegie (and some would
>>>>>>>>> argue
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> the new Carnegie) as the best sounding in this country.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've not had the pleasure of hearing Symphony Hall, but I can
>>>>>>>> testify
>>>>>>>> that Carnegie is the best hall that I've ever heard, from a variety
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> audience seats and from the conductor podium, bar none. It's not
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> close to anywhere else in my experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From 17th Ave, turn west on W 57th St. and you're right there!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I just want to point out a slight error forgiveable to any
>>>>> out-of-towner:
>>>>> It's 7th Avenue. There is no 17th Avenue.
>>>>> By subway, from Penn Station:
>>>>> Exit Penn Station on the east side at 32 Street. Cross 7th Avenue,
>>>>> walk
>>>>> east
>>>>> one block, and enter the Herald Square subway station. Take the
>>>>> N,R,Q,orW
>>>>> to
>>>>> 57th Street.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, OK.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PRACTICE! (and be very lucky)
>>>>> and good!
>>>>
>>>> Hey SOUNDHASPRIORITY:
>>>> Question to whom I presume is a NYC local:
>>>> If I looked down 7th Ave (away from Central Park, Lincoln Center, etc,
>>>> toward the Broadway theater area), would the sky there been filled with
>>>> the WTC towers? Just trying to get my bearings. I had such a
>>>> wonderful NYC trip, but time didn't allow for a "Ground Zero" visit,
>>>> regrettably.
>>>>
>>>> Jenn, Soundhaspriority, aka me, aka Bob Morein, actually resides a bit
>>>> NW of
>>>> Philadelphia, 72.07 miles from the WTC as the crow flies. I consider
>>>> myself
>>>> a "virtual", cultural resident of the Big Apple, having made it the
>>>> center
>>>> of my cultural affections many years ago. To compensate for the fact of
>>>> not
>>>> being an actual NYC resident, I did some research with a mapping
>>>> program,
>>>> DeLorme Topo 6.0. The WTC site is 4.10 miles from the intersection of
>>>> 7th &
>>>> 57th. That's about 21,000 feet. The towers were about 1400 feet high.
>>>> From
>>>> 7th & 57th, the towers reached about 3.6 degrees above the horizon. The
>>>> towers were more closely in line with 5th Avenue, two avenues toward
>>>> the
>>>> east. So I doubt, and do not recall, that the towers would have been
>>>> visible
>>>> from the intersection.
>>>>
>>>> When I come out of Penn Station at 7th & 32nd, the Empire State
>>>> building is
>>>> only two avenues east on 33rd Street. Yet it cannot be seen, because
>>>> nearer,
>>>> but shorter buildings take up a much greater vertical angle.
>>>>
>>>> The view of the Towers I remember best is from the New Jersey Transit
>>>> train
>>>> as it approaches NYC from the south on the Amtrak Northeast Corridor.
>>>> It
>>>> passes over miles of wetlands, of marshes of bullrush barely capable of
>>>> supporting a man and his dog (a quote, I can't remember from what), the
>>>> same
>>>> land described in the beginning of The Great Gatsby. From this vantage,
>>>> the
>>>> Twin Towers were a glorious symbol for the many foreign tourists who
>>>> also
>>>> take that train. If Chicago is "the city of broad shoulders", NYC was
>>>> known
>>>> as the city of skyscrapers and fast elevators. It was fun to play tour
>>>> guide
>>>> on that train.
>>>>
>>>> But now the towers are gone, anemically replaced by the Empire State,
>>>> the
>>>> Chrysler Building, and, I think, one more building in the financial
>>>> district
>>>> that I can't name. When the Towers stood, I had ambiguous feelings
>>>> toward
>>>> them. I never went inside. Crossing the WTC plaza, they affected me
>>>> with
>>>> inhuman scale, failing to warm the neighborhood, which relied still on
>>>> decrepit old buildings on side streets to provide the amenities that
>>>> make
>>>> even a workday existence bearable.
>>>>
>>>> But now they are gone. I miss them the way I miss the other trademark
>>>> aspirations to greatness that this country made before encountering the
>>>> limits of growth. I'm not sure why. It brings to mind all the
>>>> contradictions
>>>> of being American: opportunities, some real, some virtual, some
>>>> imaginary.
>>>> Patriotism that tries to imply kinship with strangers, yet cities full
>>>> of
>>>> neighborhoods in which I cannot walk. Usenet newsgroups of vicious,
>>>> hostile
>>>> people. Invitations to kindness, or evil. Real heroes who don't know
>>>> they
>>>> are, and people who imagine themselve such.
>>>>
>>>> On a day like this, I define myself by the illusions I choose to keep,
>>>> the
>>>> hopes I cherish, and willing blindness toward omnipresent evil.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Morein
>>>> (215) 646-4894
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry guys, forgery.
>>>
>>> Robert Morein
>>> Shop "N Bag, Penn
>>
>>
>> Churches will no doubt be along anytime soon, to correct your mistakes,
>> and give everyone his expert opinion, on all the above.
>
> Sorry Bassett. Can't oblige. I thought it an excellent and thought-
> inspiring thread.
>
> I have worked on recording projects at the Concertgebouw
> on several occasions. A wonderful concert hall with fine-sounding
> organ.
>
> Unfortunately, I have never been to Boston's Symphony Hall:-(
> Maybe one day:-)
>
> I notice, Bassett, that you had no observations to make on
> what Robert, Jen, Dave and Harry wrote above. So why
> did you bother to post at all? :-((
>
> Iain
>

Predictable as always,, where would we all be without the know-all churches
[he doesn't rate a capital letter to his monica ] giving his valuable
opinion on everything. All correct and in it's place.. How bloody boring.

Why would anyone want to talk about the sewer called Americia, Just don't
remind me. been there, done that. and there woman can't give a good head
job to save there lives. But on reflection, there all a lot like you
churches.. there also into self-promotion.

bassett

[paul packer]

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:49:15 +1000, "bassett"
> wrote:

>
>"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>> "bassett" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> In article ,
>>>> "Soundhaspriority"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Soundhaspriority wrote:
>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> m...
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> com
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Schermerhorn is finally open. It's a stunning hall and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> reported to have incredible acoustics. It's very similar to both
>>>>>>>>>>>> Boston Symphony Hall and the Concertgeboux in terms of volume,
>>>>>>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>>>>>>> and seating capacity. The acousticians tried to combine the best
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> both halls, the volume and projection of the Concertgeobux
>>>>>>>>>>>> combined
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the clarity of the Boston. Everything has been factored in,
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the seat padding to the design of refracting and reflecting
>>>>>>>>>>>> surfaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The hall itself is separated from the "outer box" by a three (or
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> two?) inch acoustic gap and all of the mechanicals are isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> outer box.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the fact sheet:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.nashvillesymphony.org/res/ssc_fact_sheet_10-31.pdf#search=%22>>>>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>>>>>> rmerhorn%20acoustic%20design%22
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Compare to Verizon Hall in Philly. Verizon Hall is separated from
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> "outer box" via a 10 foot space. The outer box stands free within
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Kimmel Center, which also houses the smaller Perelman Theater.
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it appears to have serious problems. See
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15291303.htm for a
>>>>>>>>>>> description
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The ambitious design is described by the acoustic architectural
>>>>>>>>>>> firm
>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.artec-usa.com/03_projects/performing_arts_venues/kimmel_cente>>>>>>>
>>>> r
>>>>>>>>>>> /ve
>>>>>>>>>>> rizon_hall_kimmel_philadelphia.html,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Verizon Hall may be the only concert hall in the world to be
>>>>>>>>>>> shaped
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> cello, a design proposed by the world-renowned architect, Rafael
>>>>>>>>>>> Viñoly.
>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, the hall includes 260,000 cubic feet of coupled
>>>>>>>>>>> reverberation
>>>>>>>>>>> space, motorized adjustable acoustical banners, and a three-piece
>>>>>>>>>>> vertically moving acoustical canopy system, which hangs above the
>>>>>>>>>>> stage
>>>>>>>>>>> area. The moving elements can be adjusted to tailor the room,
>>>>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> acoustically, to the needs of the performance."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.ocregister.com/mangan/archives/2006/08/post_6.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is Boston's Symphony Hall, that plain rectangular box, still
>>>>>>>>>>> America's
>>>>>>>>>>> favorite symphony hall?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is still right up there with the old Carnegie (and some would
>>>>>>>>>> argue
>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>> the new Carnegie) as the best sounding in this country.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've not had the pleasure of hearing Symphony Hall, but I can
>>>>>>>>> testify
>>>>>>>>> that Carnegie is the best hall that I've ever heard, from a variety
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> audience seats and from the conductor podium, bar none. It's not
>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>> close to anywhere else in my experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From 17th Ave, turn west on W 57th St. and you're right there!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just want to point out a slight error forgiveable to any
>>>>>> out-of-towner:
>>>>>> It's 7th Avenue. There is no 17th Avenue.
>>>>>> By subway, from Penn Station:
>>>>>> Exit Penn Station on the east side at 32 Street. Cross 7th Avenue,
>>>>>> walk
>>>>>> east
>>>>>> one block, and enter the Herald Square subway station. Take the
>>>>>> N,R,Q,orW
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 57th Street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, OK.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenn, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PRACTICE! (and be very lucky)
>>>>>> and good!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey SOUNDHASPRIORITY:
>>>>> Question to whom I presume is a NYC local:
>>>>> If I looked down 7th Ave (away from Central Park, Lincoln Center, etc,
>>>>> toward the Broadway theater area), would the sky there been filled with
>>>>> the WTC towers? Just trying to get my bearings. I had such a
>>>>> wonderful NYC trip, but time didn't allow for a "Ground Zero" visit,
>>>>> regrettably.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenn, Soundhaspriority, aka me, aka Bob Morein, actually resides a bit
>>>>> NW of
>>>>> Philadelphia, 72.07 miles from the WTC as the crow flies. I consider
>>>>> myself
>>>>> a "virtual", cultural resident of the Big Apple, having made it the
>>>>> center
>>>>> of my cultural affections many years ago. To compensate for the fact of
>>>>> not
>>>>> being an actual NYC resident, I did some research with a mapping
>>>>> program,
>>>>> DeLorme Topo 6.0. The WTC site is 4.10 miles from the intersection of
>>>>> 7th &
>>>>> 57th. That's about 21,000 feet. The towers were about 1400 feet high.
>>>>> From
>>>>> 7th & 57th, the towers reached about 3.6 degrees above the horizon. The
>>>>> towers were more closely in line with 5th Avenue, two avenues toward
>>>>> the
>>>>> east. So I doubt, and do not recall, that the towers would have been
>>>>> visible
>>>>> from the intersection.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I come out of Penn Station at 7th & 32nd, the Empire State
>>>>> building is
>>>>> only two avenues east on 33rd Street. Yet it cannot be seen, because
>>>>> nearer,
>>>>> but shorter buildings take up a much greater vertical angle.
>>>>>
>>>>> The view of the Towers I remember best is from the New Jersey Transit
>>>>> train
>>>>> as it approaches NYC from the south on the Amtrak Northeast Corridor.
>>>>> It
>>>>> passes over miles of wetlands, of marshes of bullrush barely capable of
>>>>> supporting a man and his dog (a quote, I can't remember from what), the
>>>>> same
>>>>> land described in the beginning of The Great Gatsby. From this vantage,
>>>>> the
>>>>> Twin Towers were a glorious symbol for the many foreign tourists who
>>>>> also
>>>>> take that train. If Chicago is "the city of broad shoulders", NYC was
>>>>> known
>>>>> as the city of skyscrapers and fast elevators. It was fun to play tour
>>>>> guide
>>>>> on that train.
>>>>>
>>>>> But now the towers are gone, anemically replaced by the Empire State,
>>>>> the
>>>>> Chrysler Building, and, I think, one more building in the financial
>>>>> district
>>>>> that I can't name. When the Towers stood, I had ambiguous feelings
>>>>> toward
>>>>> them. I never went inside. Crossing the WTC plaza, they affected me
>>>>> with
>>>>> inhuman scale, failing to warm the neighborhood, which relied still on
>>>>> decrepit old buildings on side streets to provide the amenities that
>>>>> make
>>>>> even a workday existence bearable.
>>>>>
>>>>> But now they are gone. I miss them the way I miss the other trademark
>>>>> aspirations to greatness that this country made before encountering the
>>>>> limits of growth. I'm not sure why. It brings to mind all the
>>>>> contradictions
>>>>> of being American: opportunities, some real, some virtual, some
>>>>> imaginary.
>>>>> Patriotism that tries to imply kinship with strangers, yet cities full
>>>>> of
>>>>> neighborhoods in which I cannot walk. Usenet newsgroups of vicious,
>>>>> hostile
>>>>> people. Invitations to kindness, or evil. Real heroes who don't know
>>>>> they
>>>>> are, and people who imagine themselve such.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a day like this, I define myself by the illusions I choose to keep,
>>>>> the
>>>>> hopes I cherish, and willing blindness toward omnipresent evil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Morein
>>>>> (215) 646-4894
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry guys, forgery.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Morein
>>>> Shop "N Bag, Penn
>>>
>>>
>>> Churches will no doubt be along anytime soon, to correct your mistakes,
>>> and give everyone his expert opinion, on all the above.
>>
>> Sorry Bassett. Can't oblige. I thought it an excellent and thought-
>> inspiring thread.
>>
>> I have worked on recording projects at the Concertgebouw
>> on several occasions. A wonderful concert hall with fine-sounding
>> organ.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I have never been to Boston's Symphony Hall:-(
>> Maybe one day:-)
>>
>> I notice, Bassett, that you had no observations to make on
>> what Robert, Jen, Dave and Harry wrote above. So why
>> did you bother to post at all? :-((
>>
>> Iain
>>
>
>Predictable as always,, where would we all be without the know-all churches
>[he doesn't rate a capital letter to his monica ] giving his valuable
>opinion on everything. All correct and in it's place.. How bloody boring.
>
>Why would anyone want to talk about the sewer called Americia, Just don't
>remind me. been there, done that. and there woman can't give a good head
>job to save there lives. But on reflection, there all a lot like you
>churches.. there also into self-promotion.
>
> bassett


You've gone downhill in the last few months, bassett, and there wasn't
a lot of room to manoevre in the first place.

[bassett]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:49:15 +1000, "bassett"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>> "bassett" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> Sorry Bassett. Can't oblige. I thought it an excellent and thought-
>>> inspiring thread.
>>>
>>> I have worked on recording projects at the Concertgebouw
>>> on several occasions. A wonderful concert hall with fine-sounding
>>> organ.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I have never been to Boston's Symphony Hall:-(
>>> Maybe one day:-)
>>>
>>> I notice, Bassett, that you had no observations to make on
>>> what Robert, Jen, Dave and Harry wrote above. So why
>>> did you bother to post at all? :-((
>>>
>>> Iain
>>>
>>
>>Predictable as always,, where would we all be without the know-all
>>churches
>>[he doesn't rate a capital letter to his monica ] giving his valuable
>>opinion on everything. All correct and in it's place.. How bloody
>>boring.
>>
>>Why would anyone want to talk about the sewer called Americia, Just don't
>>remind me. been there, done that. and there woman can't give a good head
>>job to save there lives. But on reflection, there all a lot like you
>>churches.. there also into self-promotion.
>>
>>
>> bassett
>
>
> You've gone downhill in the last few months, bassett, and there wasn't
> a lot of room to manoevre in the first place.

Yes I know, it's the company I have been keeping, on these-er news groups.
But not to worry Paul, even you left the U out of manoeuver, curse those
typo's.
bassett

[roughplanet]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:49:15 +1000, "bassett wrote:

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message
. ..

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message...

"Jenn" > wrote in message...

Soundhaspriority wrote:

"Harry Lavo" > wrote:

"dave weil" > wrote in message...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Schermerhorn is finally open. It's a stunning hall and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> itr's reported to have incredible acoustics. It's very similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to both Boston Symphony Hall and the Concertgeboux in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> terms of volume, layout and seating capacity. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acousticians tried to combine the best of both halls,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the volume and projection of the Concertgeobux
>>>>>>>>>>>>> combined with the clarity of the Boston. Everything has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been factored in, from the seat padding to the design of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> refracting and reflecting surfaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hall itself is separated from the "outer box" by a three
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or is it two?) inch acoustic gap and all of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanicals are isolated in the outer box.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the fact sheet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.nashvillesymphony.org/res/ssc_fact_sheet_10-31.pdf#search=%22
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Compare to Verizon Hall in Philly. Verizon Hall is separated
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> from the "outer box" via a 10 foot space. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> outer box
>>>>>>>>>>>> stands free within the Kimmel Center, which also houses the
>>>>>>>>>>>> smaller Perelman Theater.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it appears to have serious problems. See
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15291303.htm for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> description of the problems.

<snip further description for the sake of brevity>

>>>> Churches will no doubt be along anytime soon, to correct your mistakes,
>>>> and give everyone his expert opinion, on all the above.

>>> Sorry Bassett. Can't oblige. I thought it an excellent and thought-
>>> inspiring thread.
>>> I have worked on recording projects at the Concertgebouw
>>> on several occasions. A wonderful concert hall with fine-sounding
>>> organ.
>>> Unfortunately, I have never been to Boston's Symphony Hall:-(
>>> Maybe one day:-)
>>> I notice, Bassett, that you had no observations to make on what Robert,
>>> Jen, Dave and Harry wrote above. So why did you bother to post at
>>> all? :-((

>>Predictable as always,, where would we all be without the know-all
>>churches [he doesn't rate a capital letter to his monica ] giving his
>>valuable
>>opinion on everything. All correct and in it's place.. How bloody
>>boring.
>>Why would anyone want to talk about the sewer called Americia, Just don't
>> >>remind me. been there, done that. and there woman can't give a good
>>head >>job to save there lives. But on reflection, there all a lot like
>>you
>>churches.. there also into self-promotion.

> You've gone downhill in the last few months, bassett, and there wasn't
> a lot of room to manoevre in the first place.

Yep, I'm afraid bassett's gone to the dogs. And I disagree most vehemently
about American women (aaaaaaaaaaah....... what a night).

ruff

[paul packer]

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:45:16 -0400, "Soundhaspriority"
> wrote:


>> You've gone downhill in the last few months, bassett, and there wasn't
>> a lot of room to manoevre in the first place.
>
>By which it might be implied that he is currently in an underground pipe
>approximately three feet in diameter.

Or should be.

[Bob Cain]

roughplanet wrote:

> Yep, I'm afraid bassett's gone to the dogs. And I disagree most vehemently
> about American women (aaaaaaaaaaah....... what a night).

But the youngn's (under 50 in my frame of reference) walk and move
like men. The emulation doesn't stop there either.

When I go to Paris I am deeply moved by what they think comprises the
feminine. :-)


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."

A. Einstein

[paul packer]

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:51:20 -0700, Bob Cain
> wrote:


>When I go to Paris I am deeply moved by what they think comprises the
>feminine. :-)


Deeply moved or deeply disturbed?

[paul packer]

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:42:18 +1000, "bassett"
> wrote:


>> You've gone downhill in the last few months, bassett, and there wasn't
>> a lot of room to manoevre in the first place.
>
> Yes I know, it's the company I have been keeping, on these-er news groups.
> But not to worry Paul, even you left the U out of manoeuver, curse those
>typo's.
> bassett


Unfortunately it wasn't your spelling I was referring to.

[bassett]

"roughplanet" > wrote in message
>
> Yep, I'm afraid bassett's gone to the dogs. And I disagree most vehemently
> about American women (aaaaaaaaaaah....... what a night).
>
> ruff

One night,, My point exactly..

I have a system which up to now has worked quite well, If I get a pat on
the head, and a kind smile, I follow them home.
If on the other hand, they laugh at my long ears, and complain about my
short legs, I retreat back into my kennel and stay there till they've gone.
bassett

[bassett]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:51:20 -0700, Bob Cain
> > wrote:
>
>
>>When I go to Paris I am deeply moved by what they think comprises the
>>feminine. :-)
>
>
> Deeply moved or deeply disturbed?

Quite right Paul,, Those bloody frogs are everywhere.
bassett

[paul packer]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:51:26 +1000, "bassett"
> wrote:


> I have a system which up to now has worked quite well,

Did you get an extended warranty on it?

[Iain Churches]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:42:18 +1000, "bassett"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> You've gone downhill in the last few months, bassett, and there wasn't
>>> a lot of room to manoevre in the first place.
>>
>> Yes I know, it's the company I have been keeping, on these-er news
>> groups.
>> But not to worry Paul, even you left the U out of manoeuver, curse
>> those
>>typo's.
>> bassett
>
>
> Unfortunately it wasn't your spelling I was referring to.

I never fail to marvel at Bassett's uncanny ability to mis-interpret almost
everything he reads.

[atec 77]

Iain Churches wrote:
> "paul packer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:42:18 +1000, "bassett"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> You've gone downhill in the last few months, bassett, and there wasn't
>>>> a lot of room to manoevre in the first place.
>>> Yes I know, it's the company I have been keeping, on these-er news
>>> groups.
>>> But not to worry Paul, even you left the U out of manoeuver, curse
>>> those
>>> typo's.
>>> bassett
>>
>> Unfortunately it wasn't your spelling I was referring to.
>
> I never fail to marvel at Bassett's uncanny ability to mis-interpret almost
> everything he reads.
>
>
>
>
>
It would appear all that nose rubbing as a naughty piddling pup has

effected his cognitive abilities


( thick as a brick wot )