You gotta get down

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Hi RATs!

Big woofer, or big woofers. If you haven't tried them, you could find
new ways to free your spirit, and annoy those who must be annoyed.

A late friend had some fancy schmancy two way monitors. He asked me if
a bigger amp would help the bass. I suggested he buy a subwoofer. He
did. He was very pleased with the result. He died, anyway, but, at
least he lived a little more ...

Just get one, or two, and listen for a few years and see if life is
really worth living ;)

Happy Ears!
Al

[Eeyore]

" wrote:

> Hi RATs!
>
> Big woofer, or big woofers. If you haven't tried them, you could find
> new ways to free your spirit, and annoy those who must be annoyed.
>
> A late friend had some fancy schmancy two way monitors. He asked me if
> a bigger amp would help the bass. I suggested he buy a subwoofer. He
> did. He was very pleased with the result. He died, anyway, but, at
> least he lived a little more ...
>
> Just get one, or two, and listen for a few years and see if life is
> really worth living ;)

I've got some 'woofers' you would hardly believe !

Graham

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Eeyore wrote:
>
> I've got some 'woofers' you would hardly believe !
>
> Graham

Hi RATs!

I have 80 Hz ehorns with Lambda 15" triple magnets :)

I hardly believe anything, sort of ...

Happy Ears!
Al

[Eeyore]

" wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> >
> > I've got some 'woofers' you would hardly believe !
> >
> > Graham
>
> Hi RATs!
>
> I have 80 Hz ehorns with Lambda 15" triple magnets :)
>
> I hardly believe anything, sort of ...

Mine are 50Hz ( 35Hz if you lie them sideway ) !

Good for about 126dB @ 1m too !

Graham

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Eeyore wrote:
>
> Mine are 50Hz ( 35Hz if you lie them sideway ) !
>
> Good for about 126dB @ 1m too !
>
> Graham

Hi RATs!

Cool :) Mine are only 105dB/1M/1W. You win again.

Sigh.

Happy Ears!
Al

[Eeyore]

" wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> >
> > Mine are 50Hz ( 35Hz if you lie them sideway ) !
> >
> > Good for about 126dB @ 1m too !
> >
> > Graham
>
> Hi RATs!
>
> Cool :) Mine are only 105dB/1M/1W. You win again.
>
> Sigh.

Actually the bass end on mine is only ~ 100dB @ 1m / 1W but the mid - hf is ~
110dB @1m / 1W.

Shall we call it a draw ?

Graahm

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Eeyore wrote:
>
> Actually the bass end on mine is only ~ 100dB @ 1m / 1W but the mid - hf is ~
> 110dB @1m / 1W.
>
> Shall we call it a draw ?
>
> Graahm

Hi RATs!

I just want to call people to try some big drivers to hear what fun it
can be. Some people seem somewhat tightly posed in their listening. It
is fun to try new stuff, too. Even if not always rewarding ;)

Happy Ears!

Al

[Peter Wieck]

wrote:

> Big woofer, or big woofers. If you haven't tried them...

And so forth...

I have had "Big Woofers" since 1976, and would not do without.

I have also had "Big Power" since then as well, so I have never had to
descend to the depth of High-Efficiency speakers and all the
compromises appended thereto due to lack of clean power.

That I also have my share of flea-powered amps is also good fun, but if
I want to play Handel's "Let the Bright Seraphim" at substantial volume
just for the shear joy in that piece, I do not lack the means to do so.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[PhattyMo]

wrote:
> Hi RATs!
>
> Big woofer, or big woofers. If you haven't tried them, you could find
> new ways to free your spirit, and annoy those who must be annoyed.
>
> A late friend had some fancy schmancy two way monitors. He asked me if
> a bigger amp would help the bass. I suggested he buy a subwoofer. He
> did. He was very pleased with the result. He died, anyway, but, at
> least he lived a little more ...
>
> Just get one, or two, and listen for a few years and see if life is
> really worth living ;)
>
> Happy Ears!
> Al
>


Hear,Hear!
Everyone needs to "Get down" and listen to the "low-life" in the music..
It's where half of the feeling/emotion is in alot of music!

Some songs are mindblowing when heard with a good subwoofer,you'd have
never known it without the sub. (unless your main speakers are huge/have
huge woofers,and go wayyy down.)

[Andre Jute]

wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> >
> > I've got some 'woofers' you would hardly believe !
> >
> > Graham
>
> Hi RATs!
>
> I have 80 Hz ehorns with Lambda 15" triple magnets :)

Your horns only get down to 80Hz? How does Dr Edgar explain that?
>
> I hardly believe anything, sort of ...

I don't believe that at all, Al. My el cheapo Impresario design,
available at Jute on Amps if anyone hasn't seen it, goes down to 50Hz
and ESL63 without a woofer go lower.

In fact, if I want to hear 36Hz cleanly, I just put a Fidelio-type horn
(my HWAF, same place, see URL under my sig) in the door of my study,
close all the windows behind it, arrange the doors of the Helmzholz
chambers, sorry, I mean bedrooms, bathrooms, sittingrooms, etc, on the
two floors below just so, walk down another floor and at precisely the
flare of the stairwell serving my four storey house stand listening. In
fact, you can measure 16Hz down there with a bigger horn in the same
involute horn extension arrangement, and it sounds good, if only
because they built these Georgian houses very solidly a couple of
centuries ago.

What I doubt is the necessity. I am one of the few people on these
conferences, possibly the only one, to have heard bass that low, and
not only on that occasions (1), and, while I can see that the technical
challenge will challenge people who are moved by technical challenges
for their own sake, I see absolutely no psycho-acoustic reason to skew
one's investment in hi-fi from an electrostatic midrange with superior
bass quality to totally unnecessary bass extension which will always to
the refined ear sound overbearing.

Such excess belongs in the houses of those with "home cinema" as their
hobby, not high fidelity.

For me it defines the difference between an audiophool and a music
lover.

> Happy Ears!
> Al

Andre Jute
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(1) In my extravagantly, even shamelessly, overachieving youth I had
party amps totalling 1200W per side driving banks of speakers arranged
each side of an Olympic pool. You could hear my parties three miles
away -- and make out the words the singer sang. Those racks of bridged
amps were designed for me by a couple of mates from HP, both of whom
shared the inexplicable fascination with deep, deep bass that ofttimes
threatens to become a single mindless parameter of goodness in modern
hi-fi. The speaker banks were designed and assembled for me by Jim
Reeves's favourite touring sparkie. You can bet your ass I had bass,
lots of it, and very clean very low down when you turned the wick down
and merely played records for a few intimates at dusk. But the number
of disks with bass down there were pitifully few and I don't remember
that any of them had music I wanted to listen to more than once.
Whenever an audiophile invites me to listen to the bass on his
speakers, I compose my face politely and don't tell him I've heard real
bass, that what he's listening to is mostly irrelevant noise that isn't
on the master. Phil Allison already gave everyone the key consideration
in his quote from Peter Walker to the effect that, if you don't like
what's coming out of your hi-fi, look to what you're putting in.

[Peter Wieck]

Andrew Jute McCoy created from whole cloth:

> (1) In my extravagantly, even shamelessly, overachieving youth I had....

Rest snipped out of mercy.

It has definitely been downhill since its fifth birthday and it became
(finally) potty-trained...

Delusions of adequacy exaggerated over the years.

Or, to quote Howard W. Campbell (who did not use it first, of course):
If you're so smart, why ain't you rich?

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA