Cable for AES

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Will CAT5 be OK?

--
Dirk

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[Mike Rivers]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

> Will CAT5 be OK?

Some people think so. But how long is your run? And at at what sample
rate? And how many cables do you need?

And why not just buy two conductor shielded cable specified for AES/EBU
transmission like Belden 1800F?

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Mike Rivers wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
>> Will CAT5 be OK?
>
> Some people think so. But how long is your run? And at at what sample
> rate? And how many cables do you need?

24/96, 20m, 1

> And why not just buy two conductor shielded cable specified for AES/EBU
> transmission like Belden 1800F?

Because I've got CAT5 and I don't want to spend any more money.

--
Dirk

http://www.onetribe.me.uk/ - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM

[Mike Rivers]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

> I've got CAT5 and I don't want to spend any more money.

Then make one up and try it. Either it will work or it won't. It
probably will. But feel free to worry about whether it's compromising
your "audio quality." You know that cables cause jitter and jitter
causes subtle changes in the soundfield that only virgins with silver
tiaras can hear, and that's only on alternate Tuesdays in months with
an R.

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Mike Rivers wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
>> I've got CAT5 and I don't want to spend any more money.
>
> Then make one up and try it. Either it will work or it won't. It
> probably will. But feel free to worry about whether it's compromising
> your "audio quality." You know that cables cause jitter and jitter
> causes subtle changes in the soundfield that only virgins with silver
> tiaras can hear, and that's only on alternate Tuesdays in months with
> an R.
>
Actually, I worry about dropouts when someone turns on a bit of
equipment and ****s its miniscule noise immunity.

--
Dirk

http://www.onetribe.me.uk/ - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM

[Carey Carlan]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax > wrote in news:4lk82nF2b20jU2
@individual.net:

> Mike Rivers wrote:
>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>
>>> I've got CAT5 and I don't want to spend any more money.
>>
>> Then make one up and try it. Either it will work or it won't. It
>> probably will. But feel free to worry about whether it's compromising
>> your "audio quality." You know that cables cause jitter and jitter
>> causes subtle changes in the soundfield that only virgins with silver
>> tiaras can hear, and that's only on alternate Tuesdays in months with
>> an R.
>>
> Actually, I worry about dropouts when someone turns on a bit of
> equipment and ****s its miniscule noise immunity.

On a balanced run with twisted pair cable?

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Carey Carlan wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax > wrote in news:4lk82nF2b20jU2
> @individual.net:
>
>> Mike Rivers wrote:
>>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got CAT5 and I don't want to spend any more money.
>>> Then make one up and try it. Either it will work or it won't. It
>>> probably will. But feel free to worry about whether it's compromising
>>> your "audio quality." You know that cables cause jitter and jitter
>>> causes subtle changes in the soundfield that only virgins with silver
>>> tiaras can hear, and that's only on alternate Tuesdays in months with
>>> an R.
>>>
>> Actually, I worry about dropouts when someone turns on a bit of
>> equipment and ****s its miniscule noise immunity.
>
> On a balanced run with twisted pair cable?

If the run is long enough, yes.

--
Dirk

http://www.onetribe.me.uk/ - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM

[Mike Rivers]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

> Actually, I worry about dropouts when someone turns on a bit of
> equipment and ****s its miniscule noise immunity.

If you're going to worry, then just buy the cable designed for the job
and get on with your life. If you know you're doing something
questionable you'll never know when you're going to have a problem.

Actually, Cat5 Ethernet cable is twisted pairs and fairly well
impedance-controlled. Some are better than others, and not all Cat5
cable is created equal. Do you have any Cat5e or Cat6 cable lying
around? That might be better. Belden's MediaTwist cable is specifically
designed to be very well balanced, and it even works well with analog
audio. AES/EBU interfaces are balanced, and with the twisted cable,
noise immunity should be pretty good.

But if you want to save $25 and worry, go ahead.

[Roy W. Rising]

"Mike Rivers" > wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
> > I've got CAT5 and I don't want to spend any more money.
>
> Then make one up and try it. Either it will work or it won't. It
> probably will. But feel free to worry about whether it's compromising
> your "audio quality." You know that cables cause jitter and jitter
> causes subtle changes in the soundfield that only virgins with silver
> tiaras can hear, and that's only on alternate Tuesdays in months with
> an R.

Nicely stated!

--
~ Roy
"If you notice the sound, it's wrong!"

[Allen Corneau]

On 8/30/06 6:34 AM, in article
. com, "Mike Rivers"
> wrote:

> Actually, Cat5 Ethernet cable is twisted pairs and fairly well
> impedance-controlled. Some are better than others, and not all Cat5
> cable is created equal. Do you have any Cat5e or Cat6 cable lying
> around? That might be better. Belden's MediaTwist cable is specifically
> designed to be very well balanced, and it even works well with analog
> audio. AES/EBU interfaces are balanced, and with the twisted cable,
> noise immunity should be pretty good.


We have MediaTwist for most of our AES/EBU runs and it works great. You can
get it really inexpensively if you do a little hunting around.


Allen
--
Allen Corneau
Mastering Engineer
Essential Sound Mastering
www.esmastering.com

[Scott Dorsey]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax > wrote:
>Will CAT5 be OK?

Maybe. It doesn't meet the spec, but it will mostly work. Be sure to use
the patch cable, which is stranded; solid-core cable will break at the
joint when used with XLR cables if they are moved around at all.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."