The best speakers in the world are...

[Andre Jute]

> wrote:

> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> second best Lowther?

Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:

1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.

2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.

3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
position.

4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.

This is my version of the Fidelio
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20194%20T91HWAF3.jpg
and on one of these pics you can see my ESL63 behind the Fidelio horn
on test
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20192%20T68MZ417A.jpg

>How was this classification arrived at?

Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
concert halls.

>Was it
> checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval?

LOL.

Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain. The tests told me which of my
subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
reputations) have the taste to agree with me. The vast majority choose
either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
pair
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20195%20The%20Impresario.jpg ),
and only then multi-driver boxes of any persuasion; another notable
trend was that the bigger the box, the more likely it was to be chosen,
which puts bookshelf speakers in their place. The smaller the
mutltidriver boxes, the more electronics they need to gimmick the sound
right, the less chance they have from behind the curtain with certified
golden ears. Interestingly, when I tried a Yamaha DSP (whose effects I
loved to bits -- now that's a *great* use of silicon) as the amp,
virtually the entire test group complained of "unnatural sound" on all
the speaks.

>Mystery upon mystyery.

Nah, only if you let the meterheads bull**** you. When you bring the
best to test the best, the coincidence between blind and sighted tests
is always very striking. One can always trust the taste of cultured
people of some achievement (I'm not talking of trendies and hangers-on
and bureaucrats now -- their opinion is what I tell them it should be).

> Ludovic Mirabel

Hope this helps.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
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for the tube audio constructor"
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"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
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Andre Jute wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > second best Lowther?
>
> Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
>
> 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.

I'l have a drink to that. All is for the best in this best of the
possible worlds now that I have your word that I own the best in the
world.. Four stacked Quad Esl 57 are residing right now in a place of
honour in my listening room.

>
> 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
>
> 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> position.
>
> 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
>
> This is my version of the Fidelio
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20194%20T91HWAF3.jpg
> and on one of these pics you can see my ESL63 behind the Fidelio horn
> on test
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20192%20T68MZ417A.jpg
>
> >How was this classification arrived at?
>
> Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> concert halls.
>
> >Was it
> > checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval?

Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground. Cheer up and lighten
up- you're not alone. Paul Packer who is is much funnier than I'll ever
be has the same problem with equally deadly serious Arny Krueger. What
happened to the famous English sense of humour? Or did it emigrate to
Australia to join Paul and left you behind all alone and easily upset?
On reflexion maybe I'm throwing my hat up in the air about my Quads too
soon. If your taste matches your reading comprehension....

>
> LOL.
>
> Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.

The tests told me which of my
> subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
> reputations) have the taste to agree with me. The vast majority choose
> either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
> absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
> speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
> pair

Now that we know which is the FOURTH best speaker in the world- did
you "test" any others? Like five or six or seven or a hundred and two?
On the other hand it does not matter because I think that "testing"
speaker preferences by ABXing is self-defeating nonsense. That's how
"scientific" I am.
You still don't give us a progress report about the part played by Mr.
Ludwig in the Chinese Communist party conspiracy to keep you out of the
limelight. Mr. Jute the preceding is a leg-pull, a LEG-PULL. Get it?
Don't worry it will all turn out OK. Hope this helps.
Regards. Yours Ludovic M.
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> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20195%20The%20Impresario.jpg ),
> and only then multi-driver boxes of any persuasion; another notable
> trend was that the bigger the box, the more likely it was to be chosen,
> which puts bookshelf speakers in their place. The smaller the
> mutltidriver boxes, the more electronics they need to gimmick the sound
> right, the less chance they have from behind the curtain with certified
> golden ears. Interestingly, when I tried a Yamaha DSP (whose effects I
> loved to bits -- now that's a *great* use of silicon) as the amp,
> virtually the entire test group complained of "unnatural sound" on all
> the speaks.
>
> >Mystery upon mystyery.
>
> Nah, only if you let the meterheads bull**** you. When you bring the
> best to test the best, the coincidence between blind and sighted tests
> is always very striking. One can always trust the taste of cultured
> people of some achievement (I'm not talking of trendies and hangers-on
> and bureaucrats now -- their opinion is what I tell them it should be).
>
> > Ludovic Mirabel
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Andre Jute
> Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
> "wonderfully well written and reasoned information
> for the tube audio constructor"
> John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
> "an unbelievably comprehensive web site
> containing vital gems of wisdom"
> Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

[Jenn]

Andre Jute wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > second best Lowther?
>
> Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
>
> 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
>
> 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
>
> 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> position.
>
> 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.

I LOVE the sound of the Quads you mentioned, but the speakers in the
best system I've ever heard was the Genesis 1.1 system. Of course,
there is a huge difference of scale here, but that system was something
I'll never forget.

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Hi RATs!

Perhaps we each hear whatever we think we hear, even if we do not
always communicate what we think as clearly as we might if we were not
just excited by Music, but Masters of Words.

Or, bored by everything, even our own toilet vocabulary, right Joy Boy
Berty? Sigh.

I am amused by people who think it is important for them to spread the
word that it all sounds the same to them. Gosh. If only I could be that
perceptive ...

And, let us be honest, for a brief moment, if you don't like tubes nor
own any tube equipment you enjoy, what makes you think those of us high
on the mythology need you to talk us back to your dreary planet? Just
because you can't get an erection does not mean sex is stupid ;)

All speakers have their moments. Some have more than others. None get
all the moments. Life ain't pretty, sometimes, but, our audio
engineering expertise is pretty evenly spread - a bit thin :)

Happy Ears!
Al

[Margaret von B]

"Andre Jute" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> > wrote:
>
>> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
>> second best Lowther?
>
> Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
>
> 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
>

Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.

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Andrew Jute McCoy diverted with:
>crap about speakers....

The list is precisely as accurate, truthful and as factual as the
writer. Most specifically when the Lowther horns are added in... or any
other point-source "full-range" single driver.

It is the half-truths presented as the full-truths that are most
dangerous.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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Jenn wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > > second best Lowther?
> >
> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> >
> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> >
> > 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
> >
> > 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> > beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> > position.
> >
> > 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> > drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> > enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> > about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> > Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
>
> I LOVE the sound of the Quads you mentioned, but the speakers in the
> best system I've ever heard was the Genesis 1.1 system. Of course,
> there is a huge difference of scale here, but that system was something
> I'll never forget.

Jenn, how could you? And just after I ordered an engraved plaque to put
on myQuads:
"Endorsed by Andre Jute"
Ludovic Mirabel

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Margaret von B wrote:
> "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> >> second best Lowther?
> >
> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> >
> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> >
>
> Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.

You're not being nice to Mr. Jute- and that after, he so modestly, put
his own $ 200:00
speaker as only the fifth best in the world.
Ludovic Mirabel

[paul packer]

On 28 Aug 2006 18:20:26 -0700, " >
wrote:


>Jenn, how could you? And just after I ordered an engraved plaque to put
>on myQuads:
>"Endorsed by Andre Jute"
>Ludovic Mirabel

Of course you realize that such a plaque will improve the sound no
end--Andre himself guarantees that. And if you scribble on the back of
it "I adore Andre Jute" in Italics (doesn't work otherwise) the sound
will be so three dimensionally lifelike you will probably be seriously
injured by your reaction (backflips, spinning in the air etc). I
suggest you leave things as they are. :-)

[Tom Alaerts]

> Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.

Have you heard any of the newest Quads? First reactions are very good.
I love the 57, but it's a bit too limited as a universal speaker, the
63 can handle more music, but the midrange is -ever so slightly- less
superb than in the 57.

Personally, while I always loved Quad ESLs (myself I only have quad
electronics), I also think that there are many really superb speakers
these days. I think that the advantages of ESLs were more evident in
the past than nowadays.

Some other speakers which impressed me as much as ESLs -but in
different ways- over the years: big magneplanars with ribbon tweeter,
certain more upmarket Sonus Faber speakers, JBL S2600 (hardcore model
with an Everest-type horn), Bert Doppenberg's horn speakers with AER
fullrange drivers, and a speaker with those German white ceramic driver
units from Thiel (the German Thiel Acuton, not the American Thiel).

enjoy, Tom

[Patrick Turner]

Tom Alaerts wrote:

> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> > 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
>
> Have you heard any of the newest Quads? First reactions are very good.
> I love the 57, but it's a bit too limited as a universal speaker, the
> 63 can handle more music, but the midrange is -ever so slightly- less
> superb than in the 57.
>
> Personally, while I always loved Quad ESLs (myself I only have quad
> electronics), I also think that there are many really superb speakers
> these days. I think that the advantages of ESLs were more evident in
> the past than nowadays.
>
> Some other speakers which impressed me as much as ESLs -but in
> different ways- over the years: big magneplanars with ribbon tweeter,
> certain more upmarket Sonus Faber speakers, JBL S2600 (hardcore model
> with an Everest-type horn), Bert Doppenberg's horn speakers with AER
> fullrange drivers, and a speaker with those German white ceramic driver
> units from Thiel (the German Thiel Acuton, not the American Thiel).
>
> enjoy, Tom

The trouble with ESL57 is that many have come to the end of their service
lives and need to be
re-built by a specialist, and when listening to any given pair, you may be
hearing sub-optimum
music because of the panel problems.

There are a few guys in Oz here that do the restoration work of replacing
the
membranes for about aud $3,000 a pair, John Hall of melbourne is one,
and I think EAR Audio in Perth offer a kit, as well as their own brand of
ESL.

So afaiac, I wouldn't pay more than $100 for an old pair of Quad ESL57
because I know that sooner or later
I'd have to re-build them at rather a high expense.

I'd love to have a pair though just to see if what they say is true, that
they
image well and are non tiringly accurate and entertaining, ie, musical.


For many things I would like in life, I will have to win the lottery to
attain them...

Patrick Turner.

[Iain Churches]

"Andre Jute" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> > wrote:
>
>> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
>> second best Lowther?
>
> Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
>
> 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
>
> 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
>
> 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> position.
>
> 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
>

This has all come a bit too quickly for me. Can you wait a month for
a considered answer?

I had an invitation from a member of a Lowther group in
Sweden to attend their September get-together at his
weekend place "just outside" Stockholm. There is a pic
of the location at:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/LowtherIsland.jpg


There's gold in them there 'orns:-)

Iain

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paul packer wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2006 18:20:26 -0700, " >
> wrote:
>
>
> >Jenn, how could you? And just after I ordered an engraved plaque to put
> >on myQuads:
> >"Endorsed by Andre Jute"
> >Ludovic Mirabel
>
> Of course you realize that such a plaque will improve the sound no
> end--Andre himself guarantees that. And if you scribble on the back of
> it "I adore Andre Jute" in Italics (doesn't work otherwise) the sound
> will be so three dimensionally lifelike you will probably be seriously
> injured by your reaction (backflips, spinning in the air etc). I
> suggest you leave things as they are. :-)

Your sage advice reached me just in time.The miracle of the internet
prevented serious injury.
The only problem that remains is the mysterious sign at the end of your
message.
Like that :-). I see that it is called a "smiley". Is it meant to
restrict your true meaning to the members of a smiley club? Can anyone
join? Are Andre Jute and Arny Krueger members?
Ludovic M.

[Bill Riel]

In article om>,
says...

> The only problem that remains is the mysterious sign at the end of your
> message.
> Like that :-). I see that it is called a "smiley". Is it meant to
> restrict your true meaning to the members of a smiley club? Can anyone
> join? Are Andre Jute and Arny Krueger members?

Ludo,

you too can join this illustrious club. Basically they are called
"emoticons" and the intent of their use is to help clarify a posters
meaning (since written language contains none of cues that face to face
communication conveys).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon

Of course, many people use them to "justify" nasty behaviour, but you'll
never see examples of that on RAO ;-)

--
Bill

[KMM]

"Andre Jute" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> > wrote:
>
>> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
>> second best Lowther?
>
> Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
>
> 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
>
> 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
>
> 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> position.
>
> 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
>
> This is my version of the Fidelio
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20194%20T91HWAF3.jpg
> and on one of these pics you can see my ESL63 behind the Fidelio horn
> on test
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20192%20T68MZ417A.jpg
>
>>How was this classification arrived at?
>
> Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> concert halls.
>

Any list that does not inlcude Dynaudio is incomplete, and demonstrates a
lack of knowledge and hearing acuity in the person composing the list.

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Bill Riel wrote:
> In article om>,
> says...
>
> > The only problem that remains is the mysterious sign at the end of your
> > message.
> > Like that :-). I see that it is called a "smiley". Is it meant to
> > restrict your true meaning to the members of a smiley club? Can anyone
> > join? Are Andre Jute and Arny Krueger members?
>
> Ludo,
>
> you too can join this illustrious club. Basically they are called
> "emoticons" and the intent of their use is to help clarify a posters
> meaning (since written language contains none of cues that face to face
> communication conveys).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon
>
> Of course, many people use them to "justify" nasty behaviour, but you'll
> never see examples of that on RAO ;-)
>
> --
> Bill

Thank you for your help. I have known what smiley is intended to mean
for the last few years.
My faux naive comment was meant to illustrate why I refuse to use this
childish notation to warn ALL the readers that I'm speaking tongue
-in-cheek. Basically I refuse to use it because I do not care if my
perverted sense of humour doesn't reach those whom it fails to reach.
Ludovic Mirabel

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KMM wrote:
>
> Any list that does not inlcude Dynaudio is incomplete, and demonstrates a
> lack of knowledge and hearing acuity in the person composing the list.

Hi RATs!

Actually, thinking a list is clever and judicious use of one's time and
talents suggests a lack of both intelligence and insight.

OK for late night TV, but, otherwise, c'mon.

Just think of the horror! Krew's favorite 500,000 amps. Sigh!

Eyesore's favorite six million film caps. Sigh!

Oh, the humanity!

Happy Ears!
Al

I have two favorites: L and R!

[George M. Middius]

said:

> Basically I refuse to use it because I do not care if my
> perverted sense of humour doesn't reach those whom it fails to reach.


Thank's Mr. Mirabel for, admitting Mr. Mirablew that its like you already
know you are a failure Mr. Mairble, LOt"S.

;-)




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

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George M. Middius bleated:
>Its usual crap.

Now, inquiring minds wish to know, Mr. Middius:

Which is it that bothers you more: That Mr. McCoy's fingers are so far
up your fundament that you can taste them at the back of your throat,
or that you are only its second favorite sockpuppet?

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[George M. Middius]

Worthless Wiecky whinnied:

> >Its usual crap.

I didn't write those words, Wiecky. You're always doing this. In fact, I
looked a few posts up in this thread and I don't see where anybody wrote
"Its usual crap."

> Now, inquiring minds wish to know, Mr. Middius:

Are you brain-damaged?

> That Mr. McCoy's fingers are so far

Who is this "Mr. McCoy" you're always railing about, Worthless?

You still haven't rationalized your conniving with Bwian McDip****. You
know he's a criminal, right?




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[paul packer]

On 29 Aug 2006 14:14:11 -0700, " >
wrote:

>
>Thank you for your help. I have known what smiley is intended to mean
>for the last few years.
>My faux naive comment was meant to illustrate why I refuse to use this
>childish notation to warn ALL the readers that I'm speaking tongue
>-in-cheek. Basically I refuse to use it because I do not care if my
>perverted sense of humour doesn't reach those whom it fails to reach.
>Ludovic Mirabel

Well, I ceased using it for a while, until Trevor Wilson took
something written in jest seriously and got momentarily upset. Since
I don't wish to upset people, I sometimes resort to my friend Smiley.

Oh, here he is now..... :-)

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George M. Middius wrote:
> said:
>
> > Basically I refuse to use it because I do not care if my
> > perverted sense of humour doesn't reach those whom it fails to reach.
>
>
> Thank's Mr. Mirabel for, admitting Mr. Mirablew that its like you already
> know you are a failure Mr. Mairble, LOt"S.
>
> ;Thanks Mr. Middius for taking notice of me at last. I was getting worried that I must be doing everything wrong escaping your arrows for so long. But I needn't have worried. It is all there including the brilliantly witty variations on my last name. The kids in my preschool never did as well.
I would not dream of competing with you Mr. Middius. It is Middius
isn't it?
Ludovic Mirabel
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> "Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
> A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Andre Jute]

Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.

Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:

> You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
> so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
> cheek.
-- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute

We should all have paid more attention.

As I say, I'm sorry that it happened to a fellow with stacked Quads,
whom I would otherwise have expected to stand shoulder to shoulder with
me against the barbarians. Don't feel bad about it. You are in noted
company, including Krueger, Pinkostinko, MeKelpie, Poopie, Pompass
Plodnick (was that Magnequest Scummie's name Pasternick, something like
that), and suchlike genealogical accidents too impressed by themselves
to laugh at the world.

But all is not lost. I am always vastly entertained when people tell me
how great their wit is, and especially when they tell me how much
wittier they are than poor little old me. I admire them for aiming as
high as the certified gold standard, even when they manage only to
pucture their self-esteem against my ankles. I imagine that eventually,
if they are not too stupid, they learn that wit isn't claimed but
demonstrated.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Andre Jute
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER%20Andre%20Jute.html


wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > > second best Lowther?
> >
> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> >
> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
>
> I'l have a drink to that. All is for the best in this best of the
> possible worlds now that I have your word that I own the best in the
> world.. Four stacked Quad Esl 57 are residing right now in a place of
> honour in my listening room.
>
> >
> > 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
> >
> > 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> > beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> > position.
> >
> > 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> > drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> > enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> > about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> > Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
> >
> > This is my version of the Fidelio
> > http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20194%20T91HWAF3.jpg
> > and on one of these pics you can see my ESL63 behind the Fidelio horn
> > on test
> > http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20192%20T68MZ417A.jpg
> >
> > >How was this classification arrived at?
> >
> > Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> > concert halls.
> >
> > >Was it
> > > checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval?
>
> Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground. Cheer up and lighten
> up- you're not alone. Paul Packer who is is much funnier than I'll ever
> be has the same problem with equally deadly serious Arny Krueger. What
> happened to the famous English sense of humour? Or did it emigrate to
> Australia to join Paul and left you behind all alone and easily upset?
> On reflexion maybe I'm throwing my hat up in the air about my Quads too
> soon. If your taste matches your reading comprehension....
>
> >
> > LOL.
> >
> > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
>
> The tests told me which of my
> > subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
> > reputations) have the taste to agree with me. The vast majority choose
> > either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
> > absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
> > speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
> > pair
>
> Now that we know which is the FOURTH best speaker in the world- did
> you "test" any others? Like five or six or seven or a hundred and two?
> On the other hand it does not matter because I think that "testing"
> speaker preferences by ABXing is self-defeating nonsense. That's how
> "scientific" I am.
> You still don't give us a progress report about the part played by Mr.
> Ludwig in the Chinese Communist party conspiracy to keep you out of the
> limelight. Mr. Jute the preceding is a leg-pull, a LEG-PULL. Get it?
> Don't worry it will all turn out OK. Hope this helps.
> Regards. Yours Ludovic M.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20195%20The%20Impresario.jpg ),
> > and only then multi-driver boxes of any persuasion; another notable
> > trend was that the bigger the box, the more likely it was to be chosen,
> > which puts bookshelf speakers in their place. The smaller the
> > mutltidriver boxes, the more electronics they need to gimmick the sound
> > right, the less chance they have from behind the curtain with certified
> > golden ears. Interestingly, when I tried a Yamaha DSP (whose effects I
> > loved to bits -- now that's a *great* use of silicon) as the amp,
> > virtually the entire test group complained of "unnatural sound" on all
> > the speaks.
> >
> > >Mystery upon mystyery.
> >
> > Nah, only if you let the meterheads bull**** you. When you bring the
> > best to test the best, the coincidence between blind and sighted tests
> > is always very striking. One can always trust the taste of cultured
> > people of some achievement (I'm not talking of trendies and hangers-on
> > and bureaucrats now -- their opinion is what I tell them it should be).
> >
> > > Ludovic Mirabel
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
> > "wonderfully well written and reasoned information
> > for the tube audio constructor"
> > John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
> > "an unbelievably comprehensive web site
> > containing vital gems of wisdom"
> > Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

[[email protected]]

George M. Middius wrote:

> > >Its usual crap. All over again...

Touched a nerve, did we?

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Andre Jute]

Margaret von B > wrote:

> "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> >> second best Lowther?
> >
> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> >
> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> >
>
> Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.

I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie. Go along to your plutocratic chum
Ludovic Mirabel and listen to his stacked Quads. You get 3dB extra
every time you stack another set of Quads. Four stacked-63 per side are
just about right for totally anti-social volumes in any room up to 44ft
long; more look like showing off. Or a Bessel Array with 7 or 11 ESL,
depending on how long your wall is and how much space you want to give
to amps to drive a Bessel, makes a very impressive stereo wall of
sound. Nobody could make dumb cracks about Uranus before such a wall of
sound.

Of course, if you were as wealthy as I certainly wish you could all be,
you would have Quads for chamber music and a concert hall with built-in
underfloor horns beyond the swimming pool for symphonic music. Or, of
course, you would just hire a symphony orchestra and Jenn to conduct,
any time the mood took you.

By the way, though I did once buy new Quad ESL 57 (they're long since
gone), the Quad ESL of various types I own now were acquired used,
previously loved by a little old lady who used them only on Sundays for
church music, abused by the BBC (via rebuilding at Huntingdon),
delivered by Peter Walker himself to an old chappie who saved five
years for just one when they cost the price of car and willed to me by
him, and so on. For the price of crappy "high-end" boxes you can have
second-hand Quads that will serve for years still.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

[Andre Jute]

wrote:
> Jenn wrote:
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > > > second best Lowther?
> > >
> > > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> > >
> > > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> > >
> > > 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
> > >
> > > 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> > > beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> > > position.
> > >
> > > 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> > > drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> > > enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> > > about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> > > Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
> >
> > I LOVE the sound of the Quads you mentioned, but the speakers in the
> > best system I've ever heard was the Genesis 1.1 system. Of course,
> > there is a huge difference of scale here, but that system was something
> > I'll never forget.
>
> Jenn, how could you? And just after I ordered an engraved plaque to put
> on myQuads:
> "Endorsed by Andre Jute"
> Ludovic Mirabel

To avoid encouraging checkbook "audiophiles", those plaques are
sanctioned for speakers of first class provenance in pleasing
installions in superior reproduction chains by cultured music-lovers of
the highest sensitivity.

Perhaps you would care to explain how you qualify, Mr Mirabel.

Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

Iain Churches wrote:
> "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> >> second best Lowther?
> >
> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> >
> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> >
> > 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
> >
> > 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> > beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> > position.
> >
> > 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> > drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> > enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> > about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> > Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
> >
>
> This has all come a bit too quickly for me. Can you wait a month for
> a considered answer?
>
> I had an invitation from a member of a Lowther group in
> Sweden to attend their September get-together at his
> weekend place "just outside" Stockholm. There is a pic
> of the location at:
>
> http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/LowtherIsland.jpg

I hope the summer isn't over by the time you get there.
>
> There's gold in them there 'orns:-)
>
> Iain

Any time you're ready, Iain. We could do with a little experienced
input here.

Andre Jute

[George M. Middius]

L.M. said:

> > > Basically I refuse to use it because I do not care if my
> > > perverted sense of humour doesn't reach those whom it fails to reach.

> > Thank's Mr. Mirabel for, admitting Mr. Mirablew that its like you already
> > know you are a failure Mr. Mairble, LOt"S.

> > ;Thanks Mr. Middius for taking notice of me at last. I was getting worried that I must be doing everything wrong escaping your arrows for so long. But I needn't have worried. It is all there including the brilliantly witty variations on my last name. The kids in my preschool never did as well.

> I would not dream of competing with you Mr. Middius.

Not to worry, making up mock-Krooglish is a game for everybody. Not at all
competitive.

> It is Middius isn't it?

Genuine Krooglish does not acknowledge the traditional notion of "correct
spelling".




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> George M. Middius wrote:
>
>>>> Its usual crap. All over again...
>
> Touched a nerve, did we?

The irony of Middius complaining about people who cavort with criminials is
pretty amazing.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com


> I would not dream of competing with you Mr. Middius. It
> is Middius isn't it?

Surely you jest.

[Patrick Turner]

Andre Jute wrote:

> Margaret von B > wrote:
>
> > "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > >> second best Lowther?
> > >
> > > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> > >
> > > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.
>
> I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie. Go along to your plutocratic chum
> Ludovic Mirabel and listen to his stacked Quads. You get 3dB extra
> every time you stack another set of Quads. Four stacked-63 per side are
> just about right for totally anti-social volumes in any room up to 44ft
> long; more look like showing off. Or a Bessel Array with 7 or 11 ESL,
> depending on how long your wall is and how much space you want to give
> to amps to drive a Bessel, makes a very impressive stereo wall of
> sound. Nobody could make dumb cracks about Uranus before such a wall of
> sound.

With stacked ESL57, would you not get a line array driver effect,
with sound being radiated in vertical wave fronts rather than tending to be
spherical?
This is suppoed to aid imaging I am told, but having never
used a line array speaker or stacked quads, then I really don't know if
claims about
imaging are correct. Does a line array make a violin sound like its 3
metres high
and played by a giant?

Suspended line array dynamic speakers are increasingly popular due to
sensitivity gains
and variable directionality especially with PA systems coupled to PC
controlled
speaker directionality so the sound at the back of the audience can be
adjusted to be about the same loudness
and F response as at the front row.
At a recent cultural festival gig in town last summer line array systems
were used and were
very much smaller but better than walls of much larger "normal" speakers
each side of the stage,
and I had little urge to use ear plugs necessary at such events.

Patrick Turner.

[George M. Middius]

Krooglish from the source.

> criminials

From "THe USeNET hand-book of Reel wurds, LOt"S", c. 1999, LiarBorg Press,
Goose Puke, MI:

criminials (n): 1. individuals known or suspected by the Krooborg to
have participated in conspiracies against the Krooborg 2. undercover
kiddie porn police officers 3. former Kroopologists


I can certainly recognize some of these "criminials" who populate your
nightmares, Arnii. In that sense, I am qualified to label them as such.

BTW, I can't help but notice that you have never repudiated the unflagging
support you receive from Bwian McConArtist.





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Sander deWaal]

"Andre Jute" > said:


>I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie. Go along to your plutocratic chum
>Ludovic Mirabel and listen to his stacked Quads. You get 3dB extra
>every time you stack another set of Quads. Four stacked-63 per side are
>just about right for totally anti-social volumes in any room up to 44ft
>long; more look like showing off. Or a Bessel Array with 7 or 11 ESL,
>depending on how long your wall is and how much space you want to give
>to amps to drive a Bessel, makes a very impressive stereo wall of
>sound. Nobody could make dumb cracks about Uranus before such a wall of
>sound.


I prefer Maggies ..........

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6544/luisterruimtept9.jpg

The dogs don't bite ;-)

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net> wrote in message

> Krooglish from the source.
>
>> criminials
>
> From "THe USeNET hand-book of Reel wurds, LOt"S", c.
> 1999, LiarBorg Press, Goose Puke, MI:
>
> criminials (n): 1. individuals known or suspected by the
> Krooborg to
> have participated in conspiracies against the Krooborg
> 2. undercover kiddie porn police officers 3. former
> Kroopologists
>
>
> I can certainly recognize some of these "criminials" who
> populate your nightmares, Arnii. In that sense, I am
> qualified to label them as such.
>
> BTW, I can't help but notice that you have never
> repudiated the unflagging support you receive from Bwian
> McConArtist.


It's amazing how much snot Middius can liberate in just one post. His
immense schnzola no doubt resulted from his Pinocchio-like obsession with
lying.

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg is konfused.

> > Krooglish from the source.

> >> criminials

> > From "THe USeNET hand-book of Reel wurds, LOt"S", c.
> > 1999, LiarBorg Press, Goose Puke, MI:

> > criminials (n): 1. individuals known or suspected by the
> > Krooborg to have participated in conspiracies against the Krooborg
> > 2. undercover kiddie porn police officers 3. former
> > Kroopologists

> > I can certainly recognize some of these "criminials" who
> > populate your nightmares, Arnii. In that sense, I am
> > qualified to label them as such.

> > BTW, I can't help but notice that you have never
> > repudiated the unflagging support you receive from Bwian
> > McConArtist.

> It's amazing how much snot Middius can liberate[sic] in just one post. His
> immense schnzola no doubt resulted from his Pinocchio-like obsession with
> lying.

Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed to map "liberate"
onto a corresponding human word. Also, I would like to remind you of the
existence of a marvelous tool called a spell-checker. If your computer
skills were a little sharper, you would know how to use one, thereby
avoiding the embarrassment of plopping pseudo-words like "schnzola" in
public.

As to the substance of your complaint, all of the statements in my
preceding post are purely factual. It is a fact that you gibber in your
own private dialect, which we on RAO have nicknamed Krooglish. It is a
fact that you have embraced Bwian's support despite his documented history
as a criminal. And it is a fact that you are by far the snottiest poster
on RAO.

Facts must rattle you, Turdy. You can't do your "debating trade"
shilly-shally with facts.








This post reformatted by the Resistance,
laboring tirelessly to de-Kroogerize Usenet.

[Andre Jute]

Tom Alaerts wrote:
> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> > 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
>
> Have you heard any of the newest Quads? First reactions are very good.
> I love the 57, but it's a bit too limited as a universal speaker, the
> 63 can handle more music, but the midrange is -ever so slightly- less
> superb than in the 57.
>
> Personally, while I always loved Quad ESLs (myself I only have quad
> electronics), I also think that there are many really superb speakers
> these days. I think that the advantages of ESLs were more evident in
> the past than nowadays.
>
> Some other speakers which impressed me as much as ESLs -but in
> different ways- over the years: big magneplanars with ribbon tweeter,
> certain more upmarket Sonus Faber speakers, JBL S2600 (hardcore model
> with an Everest-type horn), Bert Doppenberg's horn speakers with AER
> fullrange drivers, and a speaker with those German white ceramic driver
> units from Thiel (the German Thiel Acuton, not the American Thiel).

That's an interesting selection. I wouldn't mind hearing the newer
Quads. But, measured as pleasure per buck spent, I think my Quads win
hands down over anything else, including over Lowther horns. It seems
to me that Quad electrostats are the standard in every generation since
they appeared. Mr Gilbert Briggs of Wharfedale in 1955 when he first
saw Peter Walker's first full range electrostatic speaker demonstrated
at the Waldorf Hotel in New York with Stanley Kelley (a maker of ribbon
speakers) "solemnl agreed to changin into black and meet in due course
in the workhouse." But the very next paragraph of Mr Briggs's
entertaining account starts, "But practical considerations always prove
in the long run to be more potent than theoretical or technical
perfection..."

The truth is that speaker fashions come and go but that I have never
heard any speaker for which I would exchange my Quad electrostats. The
key is not the immediate impact at a show or in a showroom but longterm
livability. There the Quads are supreme precisely because they are so
restrained. Quad electrostats are of couse not speakers for audiophiles
-- who are people who talk more about hi-fi than they listen to music.
Quad electrostats are for music lovers.
>
> enjoy, Tom

Thanks, Tom.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

[Andre Jute]

Sander DeWaal wrote:
> "Andre Jute" > said:
>
>
> >I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie. Go along to your plutocratic chum
> >Ludovic Mirabel and listen to his stacked Quads. You get 3dB extra
> >every time you stack another set of Quads. Four stacked-63 per side are
> >just about right for totally anti-social volumes in any room up to 44ft
> >long; more look like showing off. Or a Bessel Array with 7 or 11 ESL,
> >depending on how long your wall is and how much space you want to give
> >to amps to drive a Bessel, makes a very impressive stereo wall of
> >sound. Nobody could make dumb cracks about Uranus before such a wall of
> >sound.
>
>
> I prefer Maggies ..........

I like Maggies too. I liked Margaret Thatcher (though she wrote me a
sharp note when I demonstrated that she is, according to the Communist
Manifesto of 1848, a better communist than Karl Marx), and several of
the ladies who carry my water and dry clothes up mountains for me are
called Margaret or Mairead (pronounced Muh-raid) which is Margaret in
Gaelic.

> http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6544/luisterruimtept9.jpg

Can you run Maggies that close to the wall or ist a trick of
photographic perspective?

> The dogs don't bite ;-)

I'm not worried. Dalmations have had a mystical affinity to me ever
since I called Cruella de Ville a psycho dyke.

Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

Patrick Turner wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
>
> > Margaret von B > wrote:
> >
> > > "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> > > ups.com...
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > > >> second best Lowther?
> > > >
> > > > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.
> >
> > I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie. Go along to your plutocratic chum
> > Ludovic Mirabel and listen to his stacked Quads. You get 3dB extra
> > every time you stack another set of Quads. Four stacked-63 per side are
> > just about right for totally anti-social volumes in any room up to 44ft
> > long; more look like showing off. Or a Bessel Array with 7 or 11 ESL,
> > depending on how long your wall is and how much space you want to give
> > to amps to drive a Bessel, makes a very impressive stereo wall of
> > sound. Nobody could make dumb cracks about Uranus before such a wall of
> > sound.
>
> With stacked ESL57, would you not get a line array driver effect,
> with sound being radiated in vertical wave fronts rather than tending to be
> spherical?

The best way to stack two ESL57 is definitely vertically, top to top
with the upper one upside down. Two further ESL57 added to the same
stack would go in the same configuration and then that new unit would
be placed back to back with the first unit at an angle, the open end of
the angle against the side wall of the room, possibly at the halfway
point of its length.

A Bessel Array isn't a line array; the speakers are just placed in
horizontal line. What in fact happens is that the signal is processed
inside the multiple amplifiers required (or in a very complicated
pre-amp which is theoretically possible but which gives me a
mathmigraine just to contemplate) by attenuating and inverting it for
only a few of the speakers in the set, so that the set creates a single
image which has stereo elements. That is why Bessel Arrays of any size
are normally built with point source drivers rather than multi-driver
boxes.

> This is suppoed to aid imaging I am told, but having never
> used a line array speaker or stacked quads, then I really don't know if
> claims about
> imaging are correct. Does a line array make a violin sound like its 3
> metres high
> and played by a giant?

You're talking about an intirely different sort of array to the Bessel
Array I have in mind, which ia a row of speakers horisontally disposed
and manipulated to produce a continuous single wide image with stereo
elements. One would normally build it only with point source speakers
or faux point source speakers like ESL63.

> Suspended line array dynamic speakers are increasingly popular due to
> sensitivity gains
> and variable directionality especially with PA systems coupled to PC
> controlled
> speaker directionality so the sound at the back of the audience can be
> adjusted to be about the same loudness
> and F response as at the front row.

About twenty years ago I was given the Quad II that had been the design
studio reference tube amps at Philips of Eindhoven. The retired Philips
engineer who gave them to me had cheap PA speaks in foam balls hanging
from the two stories-high peaked ceiling of his house, which was also
his listening room after he broke out all the interior walls and and
intermediate floors. Those PA speakers, under the control of a Yamaha
DSP or a bank of gimmicked small, cheap tube amps, gave amazing
quality. He told me then that such arrays of cheap speaks were the
future. Bessel, incidentally, was a Philips engineer and Tony had met
him.

> At a recent cultural festival gig in town last summer line array systems
> were used and were
> very much smaller but better than walls of much larger "normal" speakers
> each side of the stage,
> and I had little urge to use ear plugs necessary at such events.

Says something awful about the organizers of such events, and the
expectations of their clientele, if those aware that ears are fragile
need to wear earplugs!
>
> Patrick Turner.

BTW. Is that where you picked up your German lady friend?

Andre Jute
Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res -- family motto

[Andre Jute]

Jenn wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > > second best Lowther?
> >
> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> >
> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> >
> > 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
> >
> > 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> > beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> > position.
> >
> > 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> > drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> > enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> > about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> > Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
>
> I LOVE the sound of the Quads you mentioned, but the speakers in the
> best system I've ever heard was the Genesis 1.1 system. Of course,
> there is a huge difference of scale here, but that system was something
> I'll never forget.

The second sentence of the manufacturer's blurb for the Genesis 1.1
runs "At $165,000 per system, the Genesis 1.1 is a product people long
to own." If even the makers are more impressed with the price and
exclusivity than the quality, I start to wonder how they will sound
behind the veil of ignorance (what the jumped-up techies describe as
"ABX tests"). Tell us, Jenn, did you decide the Genesis 1.1 are the
best before you heard the price or after? I understand you're talking
about the system rather than the speakers in isolation -- in fact,
that's altogether a really good point you're making, that in other
people's homea we judge a system, not a component.

Andre Jute

[[email protected]]

Andre Jute wrote:
> Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> > Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.
>
> Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
> profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
> embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
> and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:
>
> > You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
> > so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
> > cheek.
> -- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute
>
> We should all have paid more attention.
>
> As I say, I'm sorry that it happened to a fellow with stacked Quads,
> whom I would otherwise have expected to stand shoulder to shoulder with
> me against the barbarians. Don't feel bad about it. You are in noted
> company, including Krueger, Pinkostinko, MeKelpie, Poopie, Pompass
> Plodnick (was that Magnequest Scummie's name Pasternick, something like
> that), and suchlike genealogical accidents too impressed by themselves
> to laugh at the world.
>
> But all is not lost. I am always vastly entertained when people tell me
> how great their wit is, and especially when they tell me how much
> wittier they are than poor little old me. I admire them for aiming as
> high as the certified gold standard, even when they manage only to
> pucture their self-esteem against my ankles. I imagine that eventually,
> if they are not too stupid, they learn that wit isn't claimed but
> demonstrated.
>
> Thanks for the entertainment.
>
> Andre Jute
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER%20Andre%20Jute.html
>
>
> wrote:
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > > > second best Lowther?
> > >
> > > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> > >
> > > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> >
> > I'l have a drink to that. All is for the best in this best of the
> > possible worlds now that I have your word that I own the best in the
> > world.. Four stacked Quad Esl 57 are residing right now in a place of
> > honour in my listening room.
> >
> > >
> > > 2. Quad ESL63 of 1981.
> > >
> > > 3. Tannoy Royal Westminster horn. This is such a rare and expensive
> > > beast, many don't count it, putting the Lowther below in third
> > > position.
> > >

Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.

Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:
> You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
> so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
> cheek.
-- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute

> > > 4. Any Lowther driver in a horn is a contender. The classical Lowther
> > > drivers are not ranked by number or price but as units with their
> > > enclosures. Fidelio horns to my ears sound best with PM6A, which are
> > > about midway up the present price scale of Lowther drivers, though the
> > > Fideliio enclosure is expensive to build.
> > >
> > > This is my version of the Fidelio
> > > http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20194%20T91HWAF3.jpg
> > > and on one of these pics you can see my ESL63 behind the Fidelio horn
> > > on test
> > > http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20192%20T68MZ417A.jpg
> > >
> > > >How was this classification arrived at?
> > >
> > > Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> > > concert halls.
> > >
> > > >Was it
> > > > checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval?
> >
> > Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground. Cheer up and lighten
> > up- you're not alone. Paul Packer who is is much funnier than I'll ever
> > be has the same problem with equally deadly serious Arny Krueger. What
> > happened to the famous English sense of humour? Or did it emigrate to
> > Australia to join Paul and left you behind all alone and easily upset?
> > On reflexion maybe I'm throwing my hat up in the air about my Quads too
> > soon. If your taste matches your reading comprehension....
> >
> > >
> > > LOL.
> > >
> > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
> >
> > The tests told me which of my
> > > subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
> > > reputations) have the taste to agree with me. The vast majority choose
> > > either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
> > > absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
> > > speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
> > > pair
> >
> > Now that we know which is the FOURTH best speaker in the world- did
> > you "test" any others? Like five or six or seven or a hundred and two?
> > On the other hand it does not matter because I think that "testing"
> > speaker preferences by ABXing is self-defeating nonsense. That's how
> > "scientific" I am.
> > You still don't give us a progress report about the part played by Mr.
> > Ludwig in the Chinese Communist party conspiracy to keep you out of the
> > limelight. Mr. Jute the preceding is a leg-pull, a LEG-PULL. Get it?
> > Don't worry it will all turn out OK. Hope this helps.
> > Regards. Yours Ludovic M.
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20195%20The%20Impresario.jpg ),
> > > and only then multi-driver boxes of any persuasion; another notable
> > > trend was that the bigger the box, the more likely it was to be chosen,
> > > which puts bookshelf speakers in their place. The smaller the
> > > mutltidriver boxes, the more electronics they need to gimmick the sound
> > > right, the less chance they have from behind the curtain with certified
> > > golden ears. Interestingly, when I tried a Yamaha DSP (whose effects I
> > > loved to bits -- now that's a *great* use of silicon) as the amp,
> > > virtually the entire test group complained of "unnatural sound" on all
> > > the speaks.
> > >
> > > >Mystery upon mystyery.
> > >
> > > Nah, only if you let the meterheads bull**** you. When you bring the
> > > best to test the best, the coincidence between blind and sighted tests
> > > is always very striking. One can always trust the taste of cultured
> > > people of some achievement (I'm not talking of trendies and hangers-on
> > > and bureaucrats now -- their opinion is what I tell them it should be).
> > >
> > > > Ludovic Mirabel
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
> > > "wonderfully well written and reasoned information
> > > for the tube audio constructor"
> > > John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
> > > "an unbelievably comprehensive web site
> > > containing vital gems of wisdom"
> > > Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review
---------------------------------------------------------

Mr. Jute says:
Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.
Mr. Jute answers:

"Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:
" You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
cheek."
-- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute -

Anxious not to be classed with Mr. Hornbecks unsophisticated
compatriots and to learn from those more worldly than myself I reread
your posting several times:.
I found the hilarious passages that must be the "subtle jokes" you're
referring to:
I asked you: "How was this classification arrived at?"
You answered:
"Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
concert halls".
Now that I get it I, your "dear fellow" and devoted pupil in the humour
doctoral class, I'm seized with helpless laughter. How could I have
missed it?
Next, even subtler (and funnier) joke
I asked naively thinking that my satirical intention will be obvious:
"Was it
checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval? "
You answered:
"LOL.
Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain. The tests told me which of my
subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
reputations) have the taste to agree with me. The vast majority choose
either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
pair"
Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
in there with the best of them. Did you try writing for that
screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?
Ludovic Mirabel
Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
something. Nothing like an example.

[Sander deWaal]

"Andre Jute" > said:


>Can you run Maggies that close to the wall or ist a trick of
>photographic perspective?


The MG1s are about 1 meter from the wall, the SMGAs are a bit closer.
Not optimal theoretically, but in the listening position, this suited
me best.
The door on the left is a problem, though.
I need to put carpet on it, or hang some curtains behind the left
speakers.

In my hurry to finish a certain amplifier, I forgot to include a
volume pot to match levels between both pairs.....
The proto is built into the ugly Yamaha case that is on top of my even
uglier hybrid 19 inch case ;-)


Real beauty lies inside! (that's what my wife tells me every time I
look in the mirror and spot some more grey hairs....)

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net> wrote in message

> The Krooborg is konfused.
>
>>> Krooglish from the source.
>
>>>> criminials
>
>>> From "THe USeNET hand-book of Reel wurds, LOt"S", c.
>>> 1999, LiarBorg Press, Goose Puke, MI:
>
>>> criminials (n): 1. individuals known or suspected by the
>>> Krooborg to have participated in conspiracies against
>>> the Krooborg
>>> 2. undercover kiddie porn police officers 3. former
>>> Kroopologists
>
>>> I can certainly recognize some of these "criminials" who
>>> populate your nightmares, Arnii. In that sense, I am
>>> qualified to label them as such.
>
>>> BTW, I can't help but notice that you have never
>>> repudiated the unflagging support you receive from Bwian
>>> McConArtist.
>
>> It's amazing how much snot Middius can liberate[sic] in
>> just one post. His immense schnzola no doubt resulted
>> from his Pinocchio-like obsession with lying.

Sorry for you Middiot, that the ordinary English word "liberate" is over
your head.

> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed to
> map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.

Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.

[Andre Jute]

Sander DeWaal wrote:

> In my hurry to finish a certain amplifier, I forgot to include a
> volume pot to match levels between both pairs.....
> The proto is built into the ugly Yamaha case that is on top of my even
> uglier hybrid 19 inch case ;-)

Mmm. All my amps are protos. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Seriously, when I finish an amp case that tidily, I declare it a work
of art. Yours looks a bit Bauhaus...

> Real beauty lies inside! (that's what my wife tells me...

A woman of great judgement.

Andre Jute

[George M. Middius]

The Beast is angry, very angry. Feces vapor is pouring from its orifices.

> >>> BTW, I can't help but notice that you have never
> >>> repudiated the unflagging support you receive from Bwian
> >>> McConArtist.

> >> It's amazing how much snot Middius can liberate[sic] in
> >> just one post. His immense schnzola no doubt resulted
> >> from his Pinocchio-like obsession with lying.

> Sorry for you Middiot, that the ordinary English word "liberate" is over
> your head.

;-)

> > Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed to
> > map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.

> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.

This is where you need to consult your shrink, Mr. ****. To say I
"liberated snot" implies it was being held captive. If that's what you
meant, who would you suggest was the snot-captor?

Rather than ascribing such a bizarre and twisted train of thought to you,
in your infinite ****fulness, I thought it much more likely that you had
simply lapsed into Krooglish. Now that you've dug yourself into a hole,
your choices are (a) admit you were Krooglishing when you misdeployed
"liberate" instead of a meaningful human word, (b) accept my parsing that
leads to an unnamed captor of the "snot" you perceive, or (c) keep
flailing away and make yourself look stupid, as you customarily do.

> > Also, I would like to remind you of the
> > existence of a marvelous tool called a spell-checker. If your computer
> > skills were a little sharper, you would know how to use one, thereby
>> avoiding the embarrassment of plopping pseudo-words like "schnzola" in
> > public.

Are you capable of admitting you Krooglished here as well?

> > Facts must rattle you, Turdy. You can't do your "debating trade"
> > shilly-shally with facts.

No response from the Krooborg. Thank's Mr. Kroofeces for, admitting Mr.
Turdborg that, something about the "debating trade" being allergic to
facts Mr. ****-for-Dinner.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[paul packer]

On 28 Aug 2006 16:53:00 -0700, "
> wrote:

>Just because you can't get an erection does not mean sex is stupid ;)


Eh?

[paul packer]

On 30 Aug 2006 11:30:45 -0700, " >
wrote:

>Andre Jute wrote:
>> Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:

>Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
>in there with the best of them. Did you try writing for that
>screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?
>Ludovic Mirabel
>Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
>something. Nothing like an example.


But you must admit Andre IS funny, Ludo. That thing about people
throwing themselves against his ankles---I still chuckle every time I
read that. I mean, you don't get truly profound conceptual wit like
that every day, even on RAO, the source of most of the wit on usenet.
I think you should give Andre his due.

Plus all his wit is malicious, which is the kind I like best. Don
Rickles, where are you!?

[paul packer]

On 30 Aug 2006 10:41:50 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:

>several of the ladies who carry my water and dry clothes up mountains for me

Is Women's Lib altitude limited?

[[email protected]]

George M. Middius muddled:

>Its usual whining, puling, silly, stupid illiterate twaddle....

Now, Mr. Middius. Which is it that bothers you more: That Mr. Andrew
Jute McCoy's fingers are so far up your fundament that you can taste
them at the back of your throat? Or that you are only its second
favorite sockpuppet?

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[[email protected]]

paul packer wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2006 11:30:45 -0700, " >
> wrote:
>
> >Andre Jute wrote:
> >> Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
>
> >Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
> >in there with the best of them. Did you try writing for that
> >screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?
> >Ludovic Mirabel
> >Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
> >something. Nothing like an example.
>
>
> But you must admit Andre IS funny, Ludo. That thing about people
> throwing themselves against his ankles---I still chuckle every time I
> read that. I mean, you don't get truly profound conceptual wit like
> that every day, even on RAO, the source of most of the wit on usenet.
> I think you should give Andre his due.
>
> Plus all his wit is malicious, which is the kind I like best. Don
> Rickles, where are you!?
--------------------------------------------------
Paul says:
>But you must admit Andre IS funny, Ludo. That thing about people
> throwing themselves against his ankles---I still chuckle every time I
> read that. I mean, you don't get truly profound conceptual wit like
> that every day, even on RAO, the source of most of the wit on usenet.
> I think you should give Andre his due.

Of course he is hilariously funny. Your evidence is foolproof. I tried
to match it quoting his nomination of "a $200:00 speaker I designed "
for the 4th. best in the world.
Some puzzlement: does he too think it is funny?t Is it a part of his
"subtle wit" praised by his American admirer ? Or is he at his best
when he intends to be taken seriously ie. is he unintentionally funny.
Anyone wants to vote?
Ludovic Mirabel

[Margaret von B]

"Andre Jute" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Margaret von B > wrote:
>
>> "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
>> >> second best Lowther?
>> >
>> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
>> >
>> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.
>
> I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie.

Quads are cheap, you dumb ass.

[[email protected]]

wrote:

> Some puzzlement: does he too think it is funny?t Is it a part of his
> "subtle wit" praised by his American admirer ? Or is he at his best
> when he intends to be taken seriously ie. is he unintentionally funny.
> Anyone wants to vote?
> Ludovic Mirabel

A few moments at its website, and it is clear that it takes itself VERY
seriously. One might start with the dissertations on cooking, bicycles,
and so forth. Also note that the pictures it displays of itself are
back when it had hair.... at least 20 or more years old and exclusively
in B&W where itself is concerned.

The hilarity it engenders is entirely uninentional, though no less
real. And the lies are absolutely fabulous... the first time, boring
the 30th. It also has its coterie of sockpuppets... by contrast, it is
absolute master of the Bon Mot.

Lastly, take a close look (if your stomach can stand it) at its
"UltraFi 300B". Now THAT is funny.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[George M. Middius]

Margaret von B said:

> > I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie.

> Quads are cheap, you dumb ass.

To paraphrase an old saw about inept engineer-wannabes: If you only have a
nickel, every greenback looks like a C-note.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Andre Jute]

Margaret von B wrote:
> "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Margaret von B > wrote:
> >
> >> "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> >> >> second best Lowther?
> >> >
> >> > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.
> >
> > I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie.
>
> Quads are cheap, you dumb ass.

Well then, you will have no problem stacking as many as required to
give you whatever thrill you require from your journeys in
interplanetary space.

So what is it you were whining about, then?

Andre Jute
Whose ass may be dumb,
whose ass may be numb
but who has no worries
about creeping cellulities

[Andre Jute]

wrote:
> paul packer wrote:
> > On 30 Aug 2006 11:30:45 -0700, " >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Andre Jute wrote:
> > >> Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> >
> > >Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
> > >in there with the best of them. Did you try writing for that
> > >screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?
> > >Ludovic Mirabel
> > >Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
> > >something. Nothing like an example.
> >
> >
> > But you must admit Andre IS funny, Ludo. That thing about people
> > throwing themselves against his ankles---I still chuckle every time I
> > read that. I mean, you don't get truly profound conceptual wit like
> > that every day, even on RAO, the source of most of the wit on usenet.
> > I think you should give Andre his due.
> >
> > Plus all his wit is malicious, which is the kind I like best. Don
> > Rickles, where are you!?
> --------------------------------------------------
> Paul says:
> >But you must admit Andre IS funny, Ludo. That thing about people
> > throwing themselves against his ankles---I still chuckle every time I
> > read that. I mean, you don't get truly profound conceptual wit like
> > that every day, even on RAO, the source of most of the wit on usenet.
> > I think you should give Andre his due.
>
> Of course he is hilariously funny. Your evidence is foolproof. I tried
> to match it quoting his nomination of "a $200:00 speaker I designed "
> for the 4th. best in the world.
> Some puzzlement: does he too think it is funny?t Is it a part of his
> "subtle wit" praised by his American admirer ? Or is he at his best
> when he intends to be taken seriously ie. is he unintentionally funny.
> Anyone wants to vote?

Nope, wit isn't a popularity contest either. (1) You're thinking of
comedy, a much coarser activity. But hey, if your little hurt feelings
drive you to allign yourself with my fartcatchers (2), enjoy the
miasma.

> Ludovic Mirabel

Andre Jute

(1) I've already pointed out that wit is not claimed but demonstrated.
It is, of course, also more than merely the expression of malice by
fools.

(2) Fartcatchers are zero talent, zero achievement creepy-crawlies who
lurk at ankle height commenting on every unconsidered trifle I drop. I
am indebted to Lord Valve for naming them so evocatively. I don't read
posts from this collection of streetwalkers and janitors, so you'll
forgive me if I stop reading you after this round.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
oups.com
> George M. Middius muddled:
>
>> Its usual whining, puling, silly, stupid illiterate
>> twaddle....
>
> Now, Mr. Middius. Which is it that bothers you more:
> That Mr. Andrew Jute McCoy's fingers are so far up your
> fundament that you can taste them at the back of your
> throat? Or that you are only its second favorite
> sockpuppet?

Wow, that's cutting to the chase!

[paul packer]

On 31 Aug 2006 03:39:24 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:



>. But hey, if your little hurt feelings drive you to allign yourself with my fartcatchers (2),
> enjoy the miasma.

Sounds like you eat too much yoghurt, Andre.

[Andre Jute]

wrote:

Big snip of repetitons for bandwidth.

> Mr. Jute says:
> Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> > Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.
> Mr. Jute answers:
>
> "Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
> profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
> embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
> and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:
> " You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
> so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
> cheek."
> -- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute -
>
> Anxious not to be classed with Mr. Hornbecks unsophisticated
> compatriots and to learn from those more worldly than myself I reread
> your posting several times:.
> I found the hilarious passages that must be the "subtle jokes" you're
> referring to:
> I asked you: "How was this classification arrived at?"
> You answered:
> "Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> concert halls".
> Now that I get it I, your "dear fellow" and devoted pupil in the humour
> doctoral class, I'm seized with helpless laughter. How could I have
> missed it?

It's a multiple choice answer, see? If you're a qualified friendly, you
clasp my hand warmly because I've just made you an insider. If you're a
hostile, the manner of my answer patronises you without you quite
knowing why or how, and you react angrily and make a fool of yourself,
as you have, as you continue to do.

> Next, even subtler (and funnier) joke
> I asked naively thinking that my satirical intention will be obvious:
> "Was it
> checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval? "
> You answered:

> "LOL.
> Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have etc

No, that wasn't my answer. I put a linespace between "LOL" and the next
paragraph to separate two ideas. It is another multiple choice
presented, see? If you're a fool merely looking to score a quick point
off me, you will rush over the linespace -- and have your tires
shredded by the tintacks in the linespace following "LOL". Wit is as
much what is said as what is not said. Empty space resonates, though
God knows it is a disgraceful circumstance that I need to say something
so basic on an *audiophile* conference, that I need to tell a Quad
electrostat owner something that obvious.

"LOL" refers to an *earned* right to sneer at Krueger and his
pretentions. The linespace was a warning to ask if you didn't already
know, a flashing neon sign to anyone sensitive to the language (as a
wit must be). You blundered straight past it.

> "LOL.

[[[Linespace reinserted to change gears from establishing my *earned*
right to sneer at Krueger and his pretentions to sneering at Mirabel
and his pretentions:]]]

> Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.

I don't understand why you didn't get this. I even put quotation marks
around *scientific* to alert you in case you were dullwitted. For you
to miss it makes you very dullwitted indeed. What do you want me to do,
use emoticons, what your claque of dullards calls "smilies"?

It is so boring to explain a joke but here we go. We're still talking
about the single sentence
> Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
The "you" in the active "you're" will be dismissed as everyday
vernacular by a friendly but, in a position where I could have used
"we" or "one" or even "I" and didn't, ties a hostile through the chain
of association to Krueger's stupidities. The word *scientific* to a
friendly is a smack at Krueger's pretentions, a delicious joke; I put
it in quotes to help you decide which you are and you missed the boat.
"ABX-ed" is another sneer; when I spent USD160m a year on market
research I called this class of taste investigation "placebo tests"; it
is well known that I think pretentiously "scientific" bow-wow words
like "ABX" merely identify the user as a jumped-up techie presuming to
judge cultural questions he doesn't even know exist. "Behind a curtain"
is another sneer at the Krueger perversion of "scientific method", and
also a double entendre about John Rawls's "Veil of Ignorance" which has
earned me several "heh-hehs" from friends in Boston. The implication is
that from behind the veil emerges merely more non-kulturny ignorance
(cake homogenized sizewise -- never mind, Mr Mirabel, it is a joke for
my Boston chums).

Again, the sentence we have just parsed presents you with several
choices of at least two answers each. Who you will be proven to be, and
whether consequently I approve of you, depends on which interpretation
you choose to react to. Your observed reactions tell me that you are a
chequebook audiophile and a wannabe netwarrior, that I needn't waste
too much time on you.

Let's take one more sentence:

> The tests told me which of my
> subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
> reputations) have the taste to agree with me.

"Worldclass reputations" should have told you this is an ironic
statement. It is another point where I tell you I back my own
*cultural* judgement regardless of the opinion of anyone else. Your
original mail invited me to take potshots at Krueger and his ABX Krowd,
and I did (this is another), and you were so thick you misinterpreted
them all and took them for potshots at you. And *then* you tell us what
a wit you are! Just as well you told us or we wouldn't have known.

>The vast majority choose
> either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
> absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
> speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
> pair"
> Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
> in there with the best of them.

Eh? I share information with you that cost me a lot of time and money
to gather -- and you want to practice your infantile sarcasm on me?

>Did you try writing for that
> screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?

"Try writing for"? Doesn't work like that. I suppose amateurs may "try"
writing for a journal. But a professional writer is given a commission,
paid in advance, guaranteed publication.

> Ludovic Mirabel
> Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
> something.

Thank you for the invitation but I don't see any gain from wasting more
time explaining the obvious to you.

>Nothing like an example.

Above are the examples you chose, fully elucidated. If you don't like
the truth, tough.

Andre Jute
Charisma is the ability by just smiling quietly to induce apoplectic
fits in the unworthy

[Patrick Turner]

Andre Jute wrote:

> Patrick Turner wrote:
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> >
> > > Margaret von B > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> > > > ups.com...
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > > > >> second best Lowther?
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie. Go along to your plutocratic chum
> > > Ludovic Mirabel and listen to his stacked Quads. You get 3dB extra
> > > every time you stack another set of Quads. Four stacked-63 per side are
> > > just about right for totally anti-social volumes in any room up to 44ft
> > > long; more look like showing off. Or a Bessel Array with 7 or 11 ESL,
> > > depending on how long your wall is and how much space you want to give
> > > to amps to drive a Bessel, makes a very impressive stereo wall of
> > > sound. Nobody could make dumb cracks about Uranus before such a wall of
> > > sound.
> >
> > With stacked ESL57, would you not get a line array driver effect,
> > with sound being radiated in vertical wave fronts rather than tending to be
> > spherical?
>
> The best way to stack two ESL57 is definitely vertically, top to top
> with the upper one upside down. Two further ESL57 added to the same
> stack would go in the same configuration and then that new unit would
> be placed back to back with the first unit at an angle, the open end of
> the angle against the side wall of the room, possibly at the halfway
> point of its length.
>
> A Bessel Array isn't a line array; the speakers are just placed in
> horizontal line. What in fact happens is that the signal is processed
> inside the multiple amplifiers required (or in a very complicated
> pre-amp which is theoretically possible but which gives me a
> mathmigraine just to contemplate) by attenuating and inverting it for
> only a few of the speakers in the set, so that the set creates a single
> image which has stereo elements. That is why Bessel Arrays of any size
> are normally built with point source drivers rather than multi-driver
> boxes.

You have completely boom-flazzeled me.
I am not familiar with a Bessel anything very much.

I just visualised having 4 stacked speakers 1,2,3,4 on top of each other to make
a column...

>
>
> > This is suppoed to aid imaging I am told, but having never
> > used a line array speaker or stacked quads, then I really don't know if
> > claims about
> > imaging are correct. Does a line array make a violin sound like its 3
> > metres high
> > and played by a giant?
>
> You're talking about an intirely different sort of array to the Bessel
> Array I have in mind, which ia a row of speakers horisontally disposed
> and manipulated to produce a continuous single wide image with stereo
> elements. One would normally build it only with point source speakers
> or faux point source speakers like ESL63.

Hmmmmmm....

>
>
> > Suspended line array dynamic speakers are increasingly popular due to
> > sensitivity gains
> > and variable directionality especially with PA systems coupled to PC
> > controlled
> > speaker directionality so the sound at the back of the audience can be
> > adjusted to be about the same loudness
> > and F response as at the front row.
>
> About twenty years ago I was given the Quad II that had been the design
> studio reference tube amps at Philips of Eindhoven. The retired Philips
> engineer who gave them to me had cheap PA speaks in foam balls hanging
> from the two stories-high peaked ceiling of his house, which was also
> his listening room after he broke out all the interior walls and and
> intermediate floors. Those PA speakers, under the control of a Yamaha
> DSP or a bank of gimmicked small, cheap tube amps, gave amazing
> quality. He told me then that such arrays of cheap speaks were the
> future. Bessel, incidentally, was a Philips engineer and Tony had met
> him.

Foam balls with drivers are different to line arrays.....

>
>
> > At a recent cultural festival gig in town last summer line array systems
> > were used and were
> > very much smaller but better than walls of much larger "normal" speakers
> > each side of the stage,
> > and I had little urge to use ear plugs necessary at such events.
>
> Says something awful about the organizers of such events, and the
> expectations of their clientele, if those aware that ears are fragile
> need to wear earplugs!
> >
> > Patrick Turner.
>
> BTW. Is that where you picked up your German lady friend?

Well, I met her through the local newspaper; its always worked better than trying

to date someone local via the dammed Internet, where about 300 local women
lurk and wait to snare the Ideal Man who doesn't exist.

But alas the German Lady romance didn't blossom and I am happily alone again.

Meanwhile I am doing about 200Km a week on the bike and have lost 4 Kg in 6
weeks,
and can ride up hills without granny gears.

I'd rather go for a good ride than a good root.

Patrick Turner.

>
>
> Andre Jute
> Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res -- family motto

[[email protected]]

Andre Jute wrote:
> wrote:
>
> Big snip of repetitons for bandwidth.
>
> > Mr. Jute says:
> > Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> > > Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.
> > Mr. Jute answers:
> >
> > "Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
> > profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
> > embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
> > and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:
> > " You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
> > so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
> > cheek."
> > -- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute -
> >
> > Anxious not to be classed with Mr. Hornbecks unsophisticated
> > compatriots and to learn from those more worldly than myself I reread
> > your posting several times:.
> > I found the hilarious passages that must be the "subtle jokes" you're
> > referring to:
> > I asked you: "How was this classification arrived at?"
> > You answered:
> > "Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> > concert halls".
> > Now that I get it I, your "dear fellow" and devoted pupil in the humour
> > doctoral class, I'm seized with helpless laughter. How could I have
> > missed it?
>
> It's a multiple choice answer, see? If you're a qualified friendly, you
> clasp my hand warmly because I've just made you an insider. If you're a
> hostile, the manner of my answer patronises you without you quite
> knowing why or how, and you react angrily and make a fool of yourself,
> as you have, as you continue to do.
>
> > Next, even subtler (and funnier) joke
> > I asked naively thinking that my satirical intention will be obvious:
> > "Was it
> > checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval? "
> > You answered:
>
> > "LOL.
> > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have etc
>
> No, that wasn't my answer. I put a linespace between "LOL" and the next
> paragraph to separate two ideas. It is another multiple choice
> presented, see? If you're a fool merely looking to score a quick point
> off me, you will rush over the linespace -- and have your tires
> shredded by the tintacks in the linespace following "LOL". Wit is as
> much what is said as what is not said. Empty space resonates, though
> God knows it is a disgraceful circumstance that I need to say something
> so basic on an *audiophile* conference, that I need to tell a Quad
> electrostat owner something that obvious.
>
> "LOL" refers to an *earned* right to sneer at Krueger and his
> pretentions. The linespace was a warning to ask if you didn't already
> know, a flashing neon sign to anyone sensitive to the language (as a
> wit must be). You blundered straight past it.
>
> > "LOL.
>
> [[[Linespace reinserted to change gears from establishing my *earned*
> right to sneer at Krueger and his pretentions to sneering at Mirabel
> and his pretentions:]]]
>
> > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
>
> I don't understand why you didn't get this. I even put quotation marks
> around *scientific* to alert you in case you were dullwitted. For you
> to miss it makes you very dullwitted indeed. What do you want me to do,
> use emoticons, what your claque of dullards calls "smilies"?
>
> It is so boring to explain a joke but here we go. We're still talking
> about the single sentence
> > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
> The "you" in the active "you're" will be dismissed as everyday
> vernacular by a friendly but, in a position where I could have used
> "we" or "one" or even "I" and didn't, ties a hostile through the chain
> of association to Krueger's stupidities. The word *scientific* to a
> friendly is a smack at Krueger's pretentions, a delicious joke; I put
> it in quotes to help you decide which you are and you missed the boat.
> "ABX-ed" is another sneer; when I spent USD160m a year on market
> research I called this class of taste investigation "placebo tests"; it
> is well known that I think pretentiously "scientific" bow-wow words
> like "ABX" merely identify the user as a jumped-up techie presuming to
> judge cultural questions he doesn't even know exist. "Behind a curtain"
> is another sneer at the Krueger perversion of "scientific method", and
> also a double entendre about John Rawls's "Veil of Ignorance" which has
> earned me several "heh-hehs" from friends in Boston. The implication is
> that from behind the veil emerges merely more non-kulturny ignorance
> (cake homogenized sizewise -- never mind, Mr Mirabel, it is a joke for
> my Boston chums).
>
> Again, the sentence we have just parsed presents you with several
> choices of at least two answers each. Who you will be proven to be, and
> whether consequently I approve of you, depends on which interpretation
> you choose to react to. Your observed reactions tell me that you are a
> chequebook audiophile and a wannabe netwarrior, that I needn't waste
> too much time on you.
>
> Let's take one more sentence:
>
> > The tests told me which of my
> > subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
> > reputations) have the taste to agree with me.
>
> "Worldclass reputations" should have told you this is an ironic
> statement. It is another point where I tell you I back my own
> *cultural* judgement regardless of the opinion of anyone else. Your
> original mail invited me to take potshots at Krueger and his ABX Krowd,
> and I did (this is another), and you were so thick you misinterpreted
> them all and took them for potshots at you. And *then* you tell us what
> a wit you are! Just as well you told us or we wouldn't have known.
>
> >The vast majority choose
> > either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
> > absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
> > speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
> > pair"
> > Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
> > in there with the best of them.
>
> Eh? I share information with you that cost me a lot of time and money
> to gather -- and you want to practice your infantile sarcasm on me?
>
> >Did you try writing for that
> > screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?
>
> "Try writing for"? Doesn't work like that. I suppose amateurs may "try"
> writing for a journal. But a professional writer is given a commission,
> paid in advance, guaranteed publication.
>
> > Ludovic Mirabel
> > Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
> > something.
>
> Thank you for the invitation but I don't see any gain from wasting more
> time explaining the obvious to you.
>
> >Nothing like an example.
>
> Above are the examples you chose, fully elucidated. If you don't like
> the truth, tough.
>
> Andre Jute
> Charisma is the ability by just smiling quietly to induce apoplectic
> fits in the unworthy

Now, that you documented for the at length how witty and wise you are I
feel like apologising for ever having doubted it.
As soon as I reemerge to take breath I'll reread your sermon several
times and try to make head or tail of your occult message(s).
Necessarily it will take time.
In the meantime- keep on trucking Ludovic Mirabel

[[email protected]]

Andre Jute wrote:

> Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res -- family motto

I would expect so, given your behavior.

Gentle in manner, resolute in thing. Neither being either applicable or
accurate.

Suaviter in modo, fortiter in re: Gentle in manner, resolute in
execution.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.

[Sander deWaal]

" > said:


>Andre Jute wrote:

>> Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res -- family motto


>I would expect so, given your behavior.

>Gentle in manner, resolute in thing. Neither being either applicable or
>accurate.


Confucius say: "Speak softly, but carry big sword".

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[Andre Jute]

wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > wrote:
> >
> > Big snip of repetitons for bandwidth.
> >
> > > Mr. Jute says:
> > > Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> > > > Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.
> > > Mr. Jute answers:
> > >
> > > "Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
> > > profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
> > > embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
> > > and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:
> > > " You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
> > > so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
> > > cheek."
> > > -- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute -
> > >
> > > Anxious not to be classed with Mr. Hornbecks unsophisticated
> > > compatriots and to learn from those more worldly than myself I reread
> > > your posting several times:.
> > > I found the hilarious passages that must be the "subtle jokes" you're
> > > referring to:
> > > I asked you: "How was this classification arrived at?"
> > > You answered:
> > > "Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> > > concert halls".
> > > Now that I get it I, your "dear fellow" and devoted pupil in the humour
> > > doctoral class, I'm seized with helpless laughter. How could I have
> > > missed it?
> >
> > It's a multiple choice answer, see? If you're a qualified friendly, you
> > clasp my hand warmly because I've just made you an insider. If you're a
> > hostile, the manner of my answer patronises you without you quite
> > knowing why or how, and you react angrily and make a fool of yourself,
> > as you have, as you continue to do.
> >
> > > Next, even subtler (and funnier) joke
> > > I asked naively thinking that my satirical intention will be obvious:
> > > "Was it
> > > checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval? "
> > > You answered:
> >
> > > "LOL.
> > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have etc
> >
> > No, that wasn't my answer. I put a linespace between "LOL" and the next
> > paragraph to separate two ideas. It is another multiple choice
> > presented, see? If you're a fool merely looking to score a quick point
> > off me, you will rush over the linespace -- and have your tires
> > shredded by the tintacks in the linespace following "LOL". Wit is as
> > much what is said as what is not said. Empty space resonates, though
> > God knows it is a disgraceful circumstance that I need to say something
> > so basic on an *audiophile* conference, that I need to tell a Quad
> > electrostat owner something that obvious.
> >
> > "LOL" refers to an *earned* right to sneer at Krueger and his
> > pretentions. The linespace was a warning to ask if you didn't already
> > know, a flashing neon sign to anyone sensitive to the language (as a
> > wit must be). You blundered straight past it.
> >
> > > "LOL.
> >
> > [[[Linespace reinserted to change gears from establishing my *earned*
> > right to sneer at Krueger and his pretentions to sneering at Mirabel
> > and his pretentions:]]]
> >
> > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
> >
> > I don't understand why you didn't get this. I even put quotation marks
> > around *scientific* to alert you in case you were dullwitted. For you
> > to miss it makes you very dullwitted indeed. What do you want me to do,
> > use emoticons, what your claque of dullards calls "smilies"?
> >
> > It is so boring to explain a joke but here we go. We're still talking
> > about the single sentence
> > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
> > The "you" in the active "you're" will be dismissed as everyday
> > vernacular by a friendly but, in a position where I could have used
> > "we" or "one" or even "I" and didn't, ties a hostile through the chain
> > of association to Krueger's stupidities. The word *scientific* to a
> > friendly is a smack at Krueger's pretentions, a delicious joke; I put
> > it in quotes to help you decide which you are and you missed the boat.
> > "ABX-ed" is another sneer; when I spent USD160m a year on market
> > research I called this class of taste investigation "placebo tests"; it
> > is well known that I think pretentiously "scientific" bow-wow words
> > like "ABX" merely identify the user as a jumped-up techie presuming to
> > judge cultural questions he doesn't even know exist. "Behind a curtain"
> > is another sneer at the Krueger perversion of "scientific method", and
> > also a double entendre about John Rawls's "Veil of Ignorance" which has
> > earned me several "heh-hehs" from friends in Boston. The implication is
> > that from behind the veil emerges merely more non-kulturny ignorance
> > (cake homogenized sizewise -- never mind, Mr Mirabel, it is a joke for
> > my Boston chums).
> >
> > Again, the sentence we have just parsed presents you with several
> > choices of at least two answers each. Who you will be proven to be, and
> > whether consequently I approve of you, depends on which interpretation
> > you choose to react to. Your observed reactions tell me that you are a
> > chequebook audiophile and a wannabe netwarrior, that I needn't waste
> > too much time on you.
> >
> > Let's take one more sentence:
> >
> > > The tests told me which of my
> > > subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
> > > reputations) have the taste to agree with me.
> >
> > "Worldclass reputations" should have told you this is an ironic
> > statement. It is another point where I tell you I back my own
> > *cultural* judgement regardless of the opinion of anyone else. Your
> > original mail invited me to take potshots at Krueger and his ABX Krowd,
> > and I did (this is another), and you were so thick you misinterpreted
> > them all and took them for potshots at you. And *then* you tell us what
> > a wit you are! Just as well you told us or we wouldn't have known.
> >
> > >The vast majority choose
> > > either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
> > > absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
> > > speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
> > > pair"
> > > Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
> > > in there with the best of them.
> >
> > Eh? I share information with you that cost me a lot of time and money
> > to gather -- and you want to practice your infantile sarcasm on me?
> >
> > >Did you try writing for that
> > > screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?
> >
> > "Try writing for"? Doesn't work like that. I suppose amateurs may "try"
> > writing for a journal. But a professional writer is given a commission,
> > paid in advance, guaranteed publication.
> >
> > > Ludovic Mirabel
> > > Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
> > > something.
> >
> > Thank you for the invitation but I don't see any gain from wasting more
> > time explaining the obvious to you.
> >
> > >Nothing like an example.
> >
> > Above are the examples you chose, fully elucidated. If you don't like
> > the truth, tough.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > Charisma is the ability by just smiling quietly to induce apoplectic
> > fits in the unworthy
>
> Now, that you documented for the at length how witty and wise you are I
> feel like apologising for ever having doubted it.
> As soon as I reemerge to take breath I'll reread your sermon several
> times and try to make head or tail of your occult message(s).
> Necessarily it will take time.
> In the meantime- keep on trucking Ludovic Mirabel

Run, rabbit, run.

Andre Jute
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[Andre Jute]

Patrick Turner wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
>
> > Patrick Turner wrote:
> > > Andre Jute wrote:
> > >
> > > > Margaret von B > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Andre Jute" > wrote in message
> > > > > ups.com...
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> And which "much more expensive" speaker system outclasses even the
> > > > > >> second best Lowther?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is a classification of the best speakers ever made:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Quad first series ESL of 1957. The speaker designer's reference.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, Planets sounds so grand with the Quads.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry you're poor, Maggie. Go along to your plutocratic chum
> > > > Ludovic Mirabel and listen to his stacked Quads. You get 3dB extra
> > > > every time you stack another set of Quads. Four stacked-63 per side are
> > > > just about right for totally anti-social volumes in any room up to 44ft
> > > > long; more look like showing off. Or a Bessel Array with 7 or 11 ESL,
> > > > depending on how long your wall is and how much space you want to give
> > > > to amps to drive a Bessel, makes a very impressive stereo wall of
> > > > sound. Nobody could make dumb cracks about Uranus before such a wall of
> > > > sound.
> > >
> > > With stacked ESL57, would you not get a line array driver effect,
> > > with sound being radiated in vertical wave fronts rather than tending to be
> > > spherical?
> >
> > The best way to stack two ESL57 is definitely vertically, top to top
> > with the upper one upside down. Two further ESL57 added to the same
> > stack would go in the same configuration and then that new unit would
> > be placed back to back with the first unit at an angle, the open end of
> > the angle against the side wall of the room, possibly at the halfway
> > point of its length.
> >
> > A Bessel Array isn't a line array; the speakers are just placed in
> > horizontal line. What in fact happens is that the signal is processed
> > inside the multiple amplifiers required (or in a very complicated
> > pre-amp which is theoretically possible but which gives me a
> > mathmigraine just to contemplate) by attenuating and inverting it for
> > only a few of the speakers in the set, so that the set creates a single
> > image which has stereo elements. That is why Bessel Arrays of any size
> > are normally built with point source drivers rather than multi-driver
> > boxes.
>
> You have completely boom-flazzeled me.
> I am not familiar with a Bessel anything very much.

That became clear as I read your post... Sorry, I should have started
off by explaining why a Bessel Array is special. My famous article on
Bessel from 1995 is here (recommended to be certain to get the tables
reading right):
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/JUTE%20on%20BESSEL.htm
and on RAT here
http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.audio.tubes/tree/browse_frm/thread/bf9a672a8dabc20c/51da08a215a009d6?rnum=1&hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.audio.tubes%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fth read%2Fbf9a672a8dabc20c%2F51da08a215a009d6%3Fhl%3D en%26#doc_51da08a215a009d6

Let's discuss Bessels in the Bessel thread.

Andre Jute

[[email protected]]

Andre Jute wrote:
> wrote:
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Big snip of repetitons for bandwidth.
> > >
> > > > Mr. Jute says:
> > > > Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> > > > > Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.
> > > > Mr. Jute answers:
> > > >
> > > > "Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
> > > > profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
> > > > embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
> > > > and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:
> > > > " You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
> > > > so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
> > > > cheek."
> > > > -- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute -
> > > >
> > > > Anxious not to be classed with Mr. Hornbecks unsophisticated
> > > > compatriots and to learn from those more worldly than myself I reread
> > > > your posting several times:.
> > > > I found the hilarious passages that must be the "subtle jokes" you're
> > > > referring to:
> > > > I asked you: "How was this classification arrived at?"
> > > > You answered:
> > > > "Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> > > > concert halls".
> > > > Now that I get it I, your "dear fellow" and devoted pupil in the humour
> > > > doctoral class, I'm seized with helpless laughter. How could I have
> > > > missed it?
> > >
> > > It's a multiple choice answer, see? If you're a qualified friendly, you
> > > clasp my hand warmly because I've just made you an insider. If you're a
> > > hostile, the manner of my answer patronises you without you quite
> > > knowing why or how, and you react angrily and make a fool of yourself,
> > > as you have, as you continue to do.
> > >
> > > > Next, even subtler (and funnier) joke
> > > > I asked naively thinking that my satirical intention will be obvious:
> > > > "Was it
> > > > checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval? "
> > > > You answered:
> > >
> > > > "LOL.
> > > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have etc
> > >
> > > No, that wasn't my answer. I put a linespace between "LOL" and the next
> > > paragraph to separate two ideas. It is another multiple choice
> > > presented, see? If you're a fool merely looking to score a quick point
> > > off me, you will rush over the linespace -- and have your tires
> > > shredded by the tintacks in the linespace following "LOL". Wit is as
> > > much what is said as what is not said. Empty space resonates, though
> > > God knows it is a disgraceful circumstance that I need to say something
> > > so basic on an *audiophile* conference, that I need to tell a Quad
> > > electrostat owner something that obvious.
> > >
> > > "LOL" refers to an *earned* right to sneer at Krueger and his
> > > pretentions. The linespace was a warning to ask if you didn't already
> > > know, a flashing neon sign to anyone sensitive to the language (as a
> > > wit must be). You blundered straight past it.
> > >
> > > > "LOL.
> > >
> > > [[[Linespace reinserted to change gears from establishing my *earned*
> > > right to sneer at Krueger and his pretentions to sneering at Mirabel
> > > and his pretentions:]]]
> > >
> > > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > > > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
> > >
> > > I don't understand why you didn't get this. I even put quotation marks
> > > around *scientific* to alert you in case you were dullwitted. For you
> > > to miss it makes you very dullwitted indeed. What do you want me to do,
> > > use emoticons, what your claque of dullards calls "smilies"?
> > >
> > > It is so boring to explain a joke but here we go. We're still talking
> > > about the single sentence
> > > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > > > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
> > > The "you" in the active "you're" will be dismissed as everyday
> > > vernacular by a friendly but, in a position where I could have used
> > > "we" or "one" or even "I" and didn't, ties a hostile through the chain
> > > of association to Krueger's stupidities. The word *scientific* to a
> > > friendly is a smack at Krueger's pretentions, a delicious joke; I put
> > > it in quotes to help you decide which you are and you missed the boat.
> > > "ABX-ed" is another sneer; when I spent USD160m a year on market
> > > research I called this class of taste investigation "placebo tests"; it
> > > is well known that I think pretentiously "scientific" bow-wow words
> > > like "ABX" merely identify the user as a jumped-up techie presuming to
> > > judge cultural questions he doesn't even know exist. "Behind a curtain"
> > > is another sneer at the Krueger perversion of "scientific method", and
> > > also a double entendre about John Rawls's "Veil of Ignorance" which has
> > > earned me several "heh-hehs" from friends in Boston. The implication is
> > > that from behind the veil emerges merely more non-kulturny ignorance
> > > (cake homogenized sizewise -- never mind, Mr Mirabel, it is a joke for
> > > my Boston chums).
> > >
> > > Again, the sentence we have just parsed presents you with several
> > > choices of at least two answers each. Who you will be proven to be, and
> > > whether consequently I approve of you, depends on which interpretation
> > > you choose to react to. Your observed reactions tell me that you are a
> > > chequebook audiophile and a wannabe netwarrior, that I needn't waste
> > > too much time on you.
> > >
> > > Let's take one more sentence:
> > >
> > > > The tests told me which of my
> > > > subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
> > > > reputations) have the taste to agree with me.
> > >
> > > "Worldclass reputations" should have told you this is an ironic
> > > statement. It is another point where I tell you I back my own
> > > *cultural* judgement regardless of the opinion of anyone else. Your
> > > original mail invited me to take potshots at Krueger and his ABX Krowd,
> > > and I did (this is another), and you were so thick you misinterpreted
> > > them all and took them for potshots at you. And *then* you tell us what
> > > a wit you are! Just as well you told us or we wouldn't have known.
> > >
> > > >The vast majority choose
> > > > either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
> > > > absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
> > > > speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
> > > > pair"
> > > > Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
> > > > in there with the best of them.
> > >
> > > Eh? I share information with you that cost me a lot of time and money
> > > to gather -- and you want to practice your infantile sarcasm on me?
> > >
> > > >Did you try writing for that
> > > > screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?
> > >
> > > "Try writing for"? Doesn't work like that. I suppose amateurs may "try"
> > > writing for a journal. But a professional writer is given a commission,
> > > paid in advance, guaranteed publication.
> > >
> > > > Ludovic Mirabel
> > > > Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
> > > > something.
> > >
> > > Thank you for the invitation but I don't see any gain from wasting more
> > > time explaining the obvious to you.
> > >
> > > >Nothing like an example.
> > >
> > > Above are the examples you chose, fully elucidated. If you don't like
> > > the truth, tough.
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Charisma is the ability by just smiling quietly to induce apoplectic
> > > fits in the unworthy
> >
> > Now, that you documented for the at length how witty and wise you are I
> > feel like apologising for ever having doubted it.
> > As soon as I reemerge to take breath I'll reread your sermon several
> > times and try to make head or tail of your occult message(s).
> > Necessarily it will take time.
> > In the meantime- keep on trucking Ludovic Mirabel
>
> Run, rabbit, run.
>
> Andre Jute
> Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
> "wonderfully well written and reasoned information
> for the tube audio constructor"
> John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
> "an unbelievably comprehensive web site
> containing vital gems of wisdom"
> Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

Mr. Jute contributes:
> Run, rabbit, run.
>
> Andre Jute
> Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
> "wonderfully well written and reasoned information
> for the tube audio constructor"
> John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
> "an unbelievably comprehensive web site
> containing vital gems of wisdom"
> Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

Pity that you want to ruin your very first near-funny reparteee by
recopying your vanity -glass quotes from those famous authorities: a
Perry and a Broskie.
Rabbits are known for their radar sense of tottering sanity. Especially
the rabbits with clinical, professional experience. When
deathly-boring and incomprehensible scribble is coupled with pompous
megalomania the rabbit runs before the hot-air ballon explodes.
Regards Ludovic Mirabel

[paul packer]

On 2 Sep 2006 10:54:50 -0700, " >
wrote:

>. When deathly-boring and incomprehensible scribble is coupled with pompous
>megalomania the rabbit runs before the hot-air ballon explodes.
>Regards Ludovic Mirabel


So. How are you two getting along these day anyway?

[Iain Churches]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> [dot] net> wrote in message
>

>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed to
>> map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
>
> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.


And this from the man who persistently writes
"condensor" microphone:-)

Iain

[Eeyore]

Iain Churches wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> > [dot] net> wrote in message
> >
>
> >> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed to
> >> map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
> >
> > Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
>
> And this from the man who persistently writes
> "condensor" microphone:-)

What's wrong with that ?

Graham

[George M. Middius]

duh-Poopie blithered:

> > >> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed to
> > >> map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.

> > > Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.

> > And this from the man who persistently writes
> > "condensor" microphone:-)

> What's wrong with that ?

Poopie, did you wake up only to make a fool of yourself on this beautiful
day of rest?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=condensor

You're excused. Go gargle with some battery acid.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Andre Jute]

Poopie Stevenson, aka the dumb ass Eeyore, wrote:

> Iain Churches wrote:
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> > > [dot] net> wrote in message
> > >
> >
> > >> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed to
> > >> map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
> > >
> > > Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
> >
> > And this from the man who persistently writes
> > "condensor" microphone:-)
>
> What's wrong with that ?
>
> Graham

I thought you bragged you went to an expensive school and a decent
university, Poopie. And don't argue that your jumped-up
ghetto-polytechnic was merely incorporated in a decent college for the
administrative convenience of socialist wreckers; however true that may
be, you bandy about the name of a good college and therefore must live
up to its standards. No one else that I know who went to UCL will ever
make a slack dullard's spelling error like "condensor".

There is no, repeat no, such thing as a condensor microphone. If you
could distinguish between Latin and Greek roots, as you should be able
to if you paid attention at school, you would know that. What a waste
of money on "educating" a fat boy with an even more sluggish mind. And
don't make the false argument that you're just following the Dunce's
team leader, Arny Krueger. He obtained his "engineering" degree from
somewhere called Oakland, and I doubt Latin and Greek were on the
syllabus where he went to school or even decent instruction in English
(which also covers the different roots), and anyway, Krueger doesn't
brag about his antecedents like you do, so no better is expected of him
(1). Of you, considering how you brag, much better than "condensor" is
expected.

Andre Jute
Our legislators managed to criminalize fox-hunting and smoking; when
they will get off their collective fat arse and criminalize negative
feedback? It is clearly consumed only by undesirables like Poopie.

PS This started off with George Middius objecting to a word Arny
misused in a sentence: "It's amazing how much snot Middius can liberate
in just one post." Difficult to "liberate" snot, Arny, because it flies
out so easily. Point your nose downwards, use your thumb to block one
nostril (by pressure against the outside, idiot, not by sticking it up
your nose), blow hard through the other nostril, snot flies. It is
considered rude to do it on people's carpet, if you know anyone with
carpets. But in general, "liberating" snot must be considered a good
thing, though "expelling" snot might be an apter word. The word you
wanted for your pejorative sentence, dear Arny, was "generate" (rather
than merely "create"; this is still, barely, an electronics discussion
group), in the sense that anyone who creates more of any unhygienic,
unwanted substance like snot is not a nice person. So, entirely free of
charge, I advise you to rewrite your sentence: "It's amazing how much
snot Middius can *generate* in just one post."

(1) In fact, expecting better of Krueger is to patronise one of our
underprivileged American cousins, a form of snobbery that would be
deplorable were it not so completely understandable in the case of
Krueger.

[Andre Jute]

What is even more striking than your ignorance, Poopie, considering
your claims to be an audio designer, is that you're so universally
unpopular that no one has helped you out with the correct spelling.

Andre Jute
Andre Jute wrote:
> Poopie Stevenson, aka the dumb ass Eeyore, wrote:
>
> > Iain Churches wrote:
> >
> > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> > > > [dot] net> wrote in message
> > > >
> > >
> > > >> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed to
> > > >> map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
> > > >
> > > > Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
> > >
> > > And this from the man who persistently writes
> > > "condensor" microphone:-)
> >
> > What's wrong with that ?
> >
> > Graham
>
> I thought you bragged you went to an expensive school and a decent
> university, Poopie. And don't argue that your jumped-up
> ghetto-polytechnic was merely incorporated in a decent college for the
> administrative convenience of socialist wreckers; however true that may
> be, you bandy about the name of a good college and therefore must live
> up to its standards. No one else that I know who went to UCL will ever
> make a slack dullard's spelling error like "condensor".
>
> There is no, repeat no, such thing as a condensor microphone. If you
> could distinguish between Latin and Greek roots, as you should be able
> to if you paid attention at school, you would know that. What a waste
> of money on "educating" a fat boy with an even more sluggish mind. And
> don't make the false argument that you're just following the Dunce's
> team leader, Arny Krueger. He obtained his "engineering" degree from
> somewhere called Oakland, and I doubt Latin and Greek were on the
> syllabus where he went to school or even decent instruction in English
> (which also covers the different roots), and anyway, Krueger doesn't
> brag about his antecedents like you do, so no better is expected of him
> (1). Of you, considering how you brag, much better than "condensor" is
> expected.
>
> Andre Jute
> Our legislators managed to criminalize fox-hunting and smoking; when
> they will get off their collective fat arse and criminalize negative
> feedback? It is clearly consumed only by undesirables like Poopie.
>
> PS This started off with George Middius objecting to a word Arny
> misused in a sentence: "It's amazing how much snot Middius can liberate
> in just one post." Difficult to "liberate" snot, Arny, because it flies
> out so easily. Point your nose downwards, use your thumb to block one
> nostril (by pressure against the outside, idiot, not by sticking it up
> your nose), blow hard through the other nostril, snot flies. It is
> considered rude to do it on people's carpet, if you know anyone with
> carpets. But in general, "liberating" snot must be considered a good
> thing, though "expelling" snot might be an apter word. The word you
> wanted for your pejorative sentence, dear Arny, was "generate" (rather
> than merely "create"; this is still, barely, an electronics discussion
> group), in the sense that anyone who creates more of any unhygienic,
> unwanted substance like snot is not a nice person. So, entirely free of
> charge, I advise you to rewrite your sentence: "It's amazing how much
> snot Middius can *generate* in just one post."
>
> (1) In fact, expecting better of Krueger is to patronise one of our
> underprivileged American cousins, a form of snobbery that would be
> deplorable were it not so completely understandable in the case of
> Krueger.

[Andre Jute]

Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:

> incomprehensible scribble

It's real simple, Mirabel. I'll paint it for you by numbers:

1. You maliciously tried to score some cheap points off me.

2. For that impertincence I clipped your ear.

3. You have no answer, so you run away whining.

I can only hope you run faster than you rationalize excuses for running
away.

Flick. (If you don't get the reference, see my concurrent post on snot
to Arny Krueger, esq.)

Unsigned out of contempt.
Stop bleating. Please, please, please give me the Silence of the Lambs.



wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Big snip of repetitons for bandwidth.
> > > >
> > > > > Mr. Jute says:
> > > > > Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> > > > > > Mr. Jute, my poor jokes fell on stony ground.
> > > > > Mr. Jute answers:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Oh no, not at all, my dear fellow. It is I who must apologize most
> > > > > profusely that my jokes were so subtle that they caused you to
> > > > > embarrass yourself in public. Chris Hornbeck did recently warn both me
> > > > > and those of his fellow-Americans less sophisticated than him:
> > > > > " You write with a humor style somewhere drier than Brut,
> > > > > so shouldn't complain when Americans miss the tongue in
> > > > > cheek."
> > > > > -- Chris Hornbeck to Andre Jute -
> > > > >
> > > > > Anxious not to be classed with Mr. Hornbecks unsophisticated
> > > > > compatriots and to learn from those more worldly than myself I reread
> > > > > your posting several times:.
> > > > > I found the hilarious passages that must be the "subtle jokes" you're
> > > > > referring to:
> > > > > I asked you: "How was this classification arrived at?"
> > > > > You answered:
> > > > > "Experience. Taste. Judgement. Consultation. Over forty years in the
> > > > > concert halls".
> > > > > Now that I get it I, your "dear fellow" and devoted pupil in the humour
> > > > > doctoral class, I'm seized with helpless laughter. How could I have
> > > > > missed it?
> > > >
> > > > It's a multiple choice answer, see? If you're a qualified friendly, you
> > > > clasp my hand warmly because I've just made you an insider. If you're a
> > > > hostile, the manner of my answer patronises you without you quite
> > > > knowing why or how, and you react angrily and make a fool of yourself,
> > > > as you have, as you continue to do.
> > > >
> > > > > Next, even subtler (and funnier) joke
> > > > > I asked naively thinking that my satirical intention will be obvious:
> > > > > "Was it
> > > > > checked with Mr. Krueger for the ABX approval? "
> > > > > You answered:
> > > >
> > > > > "LOL.
> > > > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have etc
> > > >
> > > > No, that wasn't my answer. I put a linespace between "LOL" and the next
> > > > paragraph to separate two ideas. It is another multiple choice
> > > > presented, see? If you're a fool merely looking to score a quick point
> > > > off me, you will rush over the linespace -- and have your tires
> > > > shredded by the tintacks in the linespace following "LOL". Wit is as
> > > > much what is said as what is not said. Empty space resonates, though
> > > > God knows it is a disgraceful circumstance that I need to say something
> > > > so basic on an *audiophile* conference, that I need to tell a Quad
> > > > electrostat owner something that obvious.
> > > >
> > > > "LOL" refers to an *earned* right to sneer at Krueger and his
> > > > pretentions. The linespace was a warning to ask if you didn't already
> > > > know, a flashing neon sign to anyone sensitive to the language (as a
> > > > wit must be). You blundered straight past it.
> > > >
> > > > > "LOL.
> > > >
> > > > [[[Linespace reinserted to change gears from establishing my *earned*
> > > > right to sneer at Krueger and his pretentions to sneering at Mirabel
> > > > and his pretentions:]]]
> > > >
> > > > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > > > > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand why you didn't get this. I even put quotation marks
> > > > around *scientific* to alert you in case you were dullwitted. For you
> > > > to miss it makes you very dullwitted indeed. What do you want me to do,
> > > > use emoticons, what your claque of dullards calls "smilies"?
> > > >
> > > > It is so boring to explain a joke but here we go. We're still talking
> > > > about the single sentence
> > > > > Since you're so keen to show how "scientific" you are, sure, I have
> > > > > ABXed ESL and horns behind a curtain.
> > > > The "you" in the active "you're" will be dismissed as everyday
> > > > vernacular by a friendly but, in a position where I could have used
> > > > "we" or "one" or even "I" and didn't, ties a hostile through the chain
> > > > of association to Krueger's stupidities. The word *scientific* to a
> > > > friendly is a smack at Krueger's pretentions, a delicious joke; I put
> > > > it in quotes to help you decide which you are and you missed the boat.
> > > > "ABX-ed" is another sneer; when I spent USD160m a year on market
> > > > research I called this class of taste investigation "placebo tests"; it
> > > > is well known that I think pretentiously "scientific" bow-wow words
> > > > like "ABX" merely identify the user as a jumped-up techie presuming to
> > > > judge cultural questions he doesn't even know exist. "Behind a curtain"
> > > > is another sneer at the Krueger perversion of "scientific method", and
> > > > also a double entendre about John Rawls's "Veil of Ignorance" which has
> > > > earned me several "heh-hehs" from friends in Boston. The implication is
> > > > that from behind the veil emerges merely more non-kulturny ignorance
> > > > (cake homogenized sizewise -- never mind, Mr Mirabel, it is a joke for
> > > > my Boston chums).
> > > >
> > > > Again, the sentence we have just parsed presents you with several
> > > > choices of at least two answers each. Who you will be proven to be, and
> > > > whether consequently I approve of you, depends on which interpretation
> > > > you choose to react to. Your observed reactions tell me that you are a
> > > > chequebook audiophile and a wannabe netwarrior, that I needn't waste
> > > > too much time on you.
> > > >
> > > > Let's take one more sentence:
> > > >
> > > > > The tests told me which of my
> > > > > subjects (generally practising musicians, some with worldclass
> > > > > reputations) have the taste to agree with me.
> > > >
> > > > "Worldclass reputations" should have told you this is an ironic
> > > > statement. It is another point where I tell you I back my own
> > > > *cultural* judgement regardless of the opinion of anyone else. Your
> > > > original mail invited me to take potshots at Krueger and his ABX Krowd,
> > > > and I did (this is another), and you were so thick you misinterpreted
> > > > them all and took them for potshots at you. And *then* you tell us what
> > > > a wit you are! Just as well you told us or we wouldn't have known.
> > > >
> > > > >The vast majority choose
> > > > > either of the ESL (depending on specialty, for instance singers
> > > > > absolutely adore the ESL57), then the horn, then any point source
> > > > > speaker (including one I designed to be built for under 200 bucks a
> > > > > pair"
> > > > > Mr. Jute I see the light. "Subtle wit" can go no further. You're bang
> > > > > in there with the best of them.
> > > >
> > > > Eh? I share information with you that cost me a lot of time and money
> > > > to gather -- and you want to practice your infantile sarcasm on me?
> > > >
> > > > >Did you try writing for that
> > > > > screamingly funny citadel of subtle English wit the "Punch" mag.?
> > > >
> > > > "Try writing for"? Doesn't work like that. I suppose amateurs may "try"
> > > > writing for a journal. But a professional writer is given a commission,
> > > > paid in advance, guaranteed publication.
> > > >
> > > > > Ludovic Mirabel
> > > > > Please don't hesitate to straighten me out if I'm still missing
> > > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the invitation but I don't see any gain from wasting more
> > > > time explaining the obvious to you.
> > > >
> > > > >Nothing like an example.
> > > >
> > > > Above are the examples you chose, fully elucidated. If you don't like
> > > > the truth, tough.
> > > >
> > > > Andre Jute
> > > > Charisma is the ability by just smiling quietly to induce apoplectic
> > > > fits in the unworthy
> > >
> > > Now, that you documented for the at length how witty and wise you are I
> > > feel like apologising for ever having doubted it.
> > > As soon as I reemerge to take breath I'll reread your sermon several
> > > times and try to make head or tail of your occult message(s).
> > > Necessarily it will take time.
> > > In the meantime- keep on trucking Ludovic Mirabel
> >
> > Run, rabbit, run.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
> > "wonderfully well written and reasoned information
> > for the tube audio constructor"
> > John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
> > "an unbelievably comprehensive web site
> > containing vital gems of wisdom"
> > Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review
>
> Mr. Jute contributes:
> > Run, rabbit, run.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
> > "wonderfully well written and reasoned information
> > for the tube audio constructor"
> > John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
> > "an unbelievably comprehensive web site
> > containing vital gems of wisdom"
> > Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review
>
> Pity that you want to ruin your very first near-funny reparteee by
> recopying your vanity -glass quotes from those famous authorities: a
> Perry and a Broskie.
> Rabbits are known for their radar sense of tottering sanity. Especially
> the rabbits with clinical, professional experience. When
> deathly-boring and incomprehensible scribble is coupled with pompous
> megalomania the rabbit runs before the hot-air ballon explodes.
> Regards Ludovic Mirabel

[[email protected]]

paul packer wrote:
> On 2 Sep 2006 10:54:50 -0700, " >
> wrote:
>
> >. When deathly-boring and incomprehensible scribble is coupled with pompous
> >megalomania the rabbit runs before the hot-air ballon explodes.
> >Regards Ludovic Mirabel
>
>
> So. How are you two getting along these day anyway?

Thanks for your concern. The prospect of delving again into Jute trying
to be clever-clever is too daunting to continue. I concede that he can
be fun to read at times . But challenge to his odd hi-fi magalomania
makes nearly incoherent.
Ludovic M

[paul packer]

On 3 Sep 2006 09:45:03 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:

>Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
>
>> incomprehensible scribble
>
>It's real simple, Mirabel. I'll paint it for you by numbers:
>
>1. You maliciously tried to score some cheap points off me.

I think this is untrue, Andre. Ludo isn't malicious and he doesn't try
to score cheap points.

>2. For that impertincence I clipped your ear.

I don't know what "impertincence" is but I'm pretty sure you didn't
clip Ludo's ear. I would have heard it.

>3. You have no answer, so you run away whining.

I didn't see Ludo run away whining. I think all that yoghurt is giving
you hallucinations.

>I can only hope you run faster than you rationalize excuses for running
>away.

Eh?

>Flick. (If you don't get the reference, see my concurrent post on snot
>to Arny Krueger, esq.)

I saw it and I was ill in the corner.

>Unsigned out of contempt.

Oh no, not contempt. That's far too harsh a punishment.

>Stop bleating. Please, please, please give me the Silence of the Lambs.

You want Ludo to eat your face?

[[email protected]]

paul packer wrote:
> On 3 Sep 2006 09:45:03 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:
>
> >Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> >
> >> incomprehensible scribble
> >
> >It's real simple, Mirabel. I'll paint it for you by numbers:
> >
> >1. You maliciously tried to score some cheap points off me.
>
> I think this is untrue, Andre. Ludo isn't malicious and he doesn't try
> to score cheap points.
>
> >2. For that impertincence I clipped your ear.
>
> I don't know what "impertincence" is but I'm pretty sure you didn't
> clip Ludo's ear. I would have heard it.
>
> >3. You have no answer, so you run away whining.
>
> I didn't see Ludo run away whining. I think all that yoghurt is giving
> you hallucinations.
>
> >I can only hope you run faster than you rationalize excuses for running
> >away.
>
> Eh?
>
> >Flick. (If you don't get the reference, see my concurrent post on snot
> >to Arny Krueger, esq.)
>
> I saw it and I was ill in the corner.
>
> >Unsigned out of contempt.
>
> Oh no, not contempt. That's far too harsh a punishment.
>
> >Stop bleating. Please, please, please give me the Silence of the Lambs.
>
> You want Ludo to eat your face?

Thank you Paul. He wrote a page and a half to prove that he was witty.
I thought that all he managed to do was to become incoherent.. Put it
to my lack of Jute sense of humour.
He writes anothe page and a half with more of the evidence according to
Jute.
I told him that he can be fun when his vanity is not at stake. But he
won't take anything but worship. And I'm the last person to ask to join
a chapel.
And going toe to toe, line by line analysing Jute oeuvre is the last
thing I feel like doing.
So I concede. Jute wins again
Ludovic Mirabel.

[paul packer]

On 3 Sep 2006 19:47:48 -0700, " >
wrote:

>But he won't take anything but worship.

Grain of truth alert!

>So I concede. Jute wins again

Andre will always win. He's more determined than anyone else.

[Hypertension]

"Andre Jute" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
<snip reams of hysterical yapping and scent-marking>

Hey RATS,

Full moon coming up on Thursday September 7. Easy to tell isn't it?

Hyper

"I made Jutey-Fruity switch to attack-dog mode.
Terrifying, like being nibbled to death by a duck."

[Andre Jute]

paul packer wrote:
> On 3 Sep 2006 09:45:03 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:
>
> >Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
> >
> >> incomprehensible scribble
........
> >Flick. (If you don't get the reference, see my concurrent post on snot
> >to Arny Krueger, esq.)
>
> I saw it and I was ill in the corner.

See what you get for an overactive imagination? I hope it wasn't on a
carpet. -- AJ

[paul packer]

On 4 Sep 2006 04:15:35 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:

>
>paul packer wrote:
>> On 3 Sep 2006 09:45:03 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:
>>
>> >Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
>> >
>> >> incomprehensible scribble
>.......
>> >Flick. (If you don't get the reference, see my concurrent post on snot
>> >to Arny Krueger, esq.)
>>
>> I saw it and I was ill in the corner.
>
>See what you get for an overactive imagination? I hope it wasn't on a
>carpet. -- AJ


No imagination, Andre. It was due entirely to the power of your poetic
description. I concede, through gritted teeth and with burning
envy---you ARE a great writer.

[bassett]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On 4 Sep 2006 04:15:35 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:
>
>>
>>paul packer wrote:
>>> On 3 Sep 2006 09:45:03 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> incomprehensible scribble
>>.......
>>> >Flick. (If you don't get the reference, see my concurrent post on snot
>>> >to Arny Krueger, esq.)
>>>
>>> I saw it and I was ill in the corner.
>>
>>See what you get for an overactive imagination? I hope it wasn't on a
>>carpet. -- AJ
>
>
> No imagination, Andre. It was due entirely to the power of your poetic
> description. I concede, through gritted teeth and with burning
> envy---you ARE a great writer.
>

Why don't you suck his cock while your at it..
Your bloody pathetic Packer

[paul packer]

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:36:15 +1000, "bassett"
> wrote:

>
>"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
>> On 4 Sep 2006 04:15:35 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>paul packer wrote:
>>>> On 3 Sep 2006 09:45:03 -0700, "Andre Jute" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> incomprehensible scribble
>>>.......
>>>> >Flick. (If you don't get the reference, see my concurrent post on snot
>>>> >to Arny Krueger, esq.)
>>>>
>>>> I saw it and I was ill in the corner.
>>>
>>>See what you get for an overactive imagination? I hope it wasn't on a
>>>carpet. -- AJ
>>
>>
>> No imagination, Andre. It was due entirely to the power of your poetic
>> description. I concede, through gritted teeth and with burning
>> envy---you ARE a great writer.
>>
>
> Why don't you suck his cock while your at it..
> Your bloody pathetic Packer

I see you're as good at sniffing out irony as Arnie is, bassett.

I'm sure Andre is much better at it. Why don't you ask him what I
really meant.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> On 3 Sep 2006 09:45:03 -0700, "Andre Jute"
> > wrote:
>
>> Ludovic Mirabel ) wrote:
>>
>>> incomprehensible scribble
>>
>> It's real simple, Mirabel. I'll paint it for you by
>> numbers:
>>
>> 1. You maliciously tried to score some cheap points off
>> me.
>
> I think this is untrue, Andre. Ludo isn't malicious and
> he doesn't try to score cheap points.


LOL! Ludo's whole Usenet career has been devoted to scoring cheap points
based on the fact that no professional organization has jumped through his
little hoops.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message

> On 3 Sep 2006 19:47:48 -0700, "
> > wrote:
>
>> But he won't take anything but worship.
>
> Grain of truth alert!
>
>> So I concede. Jute wins again
>
> Andre will always win. He's more determined than anyone
> else.

Shows how flawed your score-keeping is, Paul.

Winning is about maintaining the maximum visibility for your issue with the
minimum effort. You and Middius are perfect foils for this play. I've been
working you both for years.

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>
>
>>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
>>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
>>
>> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
>
>
> And this from the man who persistently writes
> "condensor" microphone:-)

It's a common usage, Iain.

Here's a news flash for you that you obviously need. Spellings of common
words can change when you cross national and/or cultural boundaries.

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
> >>
> >
> >>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
> >>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
> >>
> >> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
> >
> >
> > And this from the man who persistently writes
> > "condensor" microphone:-)
>
> It's a common usage, Iain.
>
> Here's a news flash for you that you obviously need. Spellings of common
> words can change when you cross national and/or cultural boundaries.

Maybe Iain would prefer.......

capaciter
transister
resister

too ?

Graham

[George M. Middius]

Dumb****Borg whined:

> Ludo's whole Usenet career

Arnii, there you go again! ;-)

Human beings know that Usenet has nothing to do with a career. Did you
miss your last 20 therapy sessions with your shrink? Have your 'scrips
lapsed? Time to pack up your snot-module and return to the institution.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Sander deWaal]

"Andre Jute" > said:


>> In my hurry to finish a certain amplifier, I forgot to include a
>> volume pot to match levels between both pairs.....
>> The proto is built into the ugly Yamaha case that is on top of my even
>> uglier hybrid 19 inch case ;-)


>Mmm. All my amps are protos. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>Seriously, when I finish an amp case that tidily, I declare it a work
>of art. Yours looks a bit Bauhaus...


In this case, the credits go entirely to Yamaha (upper amp) and
Amplimo (lower amp) for their appearances ;-)


>> Real beauty lies inside! (that's what my wife tells me...


>A woman of great judgement.


Of course, that's why she married me (ducks and hides) !

--
"Due knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl miss steaks."

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net> wrote in message

> Dumb****Borg whined:
>
>> Ludo's whole Usenet career
>
> Arnii, there you go again! ;-)
>
> Human beings know that Usenet has nothing to do with a
> career.

Note that the Middiot exists only on Usenet.

That makes you other than a human being, Middiot.

Thanks for condemning yourself, again.

[Arny Krueger]

"Eeyore"
> wrote
in message
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
>>>>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
>>>>
>>>> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
>>>
>>>
>>> And this from the man who persistently writes
>>> "condensor" microphone:-)
>>
>> It's a common usage, Iain.
>>
>> Here's a news flash for you that you obviously need.
>> Spellings of common words can change when you cross
>> national and/or cultural boundaries.
>
> Maybe Iain would prefer.......
>
> capaciter
> transister
> resister
>
> too ?

Iain is just sharing from what he perceives to be his greater area of
expertise than audio: spelling. ;-)

[Iain Churches]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>>
>>
>>>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
>>>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
>>>
>>> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
>>
>>
>> And this from the man who persistently writes
>> "condensor" microphone:-)
>
> It's a common usage, Iain.

Sorry Arny. There is no such word.

By "common usage", indolents like yourself have
dragged the English language to an all time low.

Iain

[Iain Churches]

"Eeyore" > wrote in
message ...
>
>
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> > . ..
>> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>> >> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >
>> >>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
>> >>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
>> >>
>> >> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
>> >
>> >
>> > And this from the man who persistently writes
>> > "condensor" microphone:-)
>>
>> It's a common usage, Iain.
>>
>> Here's a news flash for you that you obviously need. Spellings of common
>> words can change when you cross national and/or cultural boundaries.
>
> Maybe Iain would prefer.......
>
> capaciter
> transister
> resister
>
> too ?
>
> Graham


:-)))


Not at all, the versions as given in the Oxford
English Dictionary are fine.

I live in Scandinavia. Most people here are fluent in three
languages and have a better command of English than
Arny seems to have:-(

A Swedish pal of mine was working for an audio company
in the US for a couple of years. When an important letter had
to be written, the boss's secretary asked my pal to do it. He
was the only one who could write correct formal English.

I have been asked by Scandinavians on many occasions,
"Why are the native English speakers so intent on the rape
of their own language?"

Iain

[paul packer]

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:04:50 +0300, "Iain Churches"
> wrote:

>
>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
>>>>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
>>>>
>>>> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
>>>
>>>
>>> And this from the man who persistently writes
>>> "condensor" microphone:-)
>>
>> It's a common usage, Iain.
>
>Sorry Arny. There is no such word.
>
>By "common usage", indolents like yourself have
>dragged the English language to an all time low.
>
>Iain


Ooops, Arnie won't like that. Stand by for a snotstorm.

[Peter Wieck]

Iain Churches wrote:

> Sorry Arny. There is no such word.

Iain:

On the assumption that you are referring to the word "condensor" (as
compared to "condenser"), it is quite a common usage and technical
term-of-art in the HVAC, brewing and distillation industries.

Pictures:

http://images.google.com/images?q=Condensor&hl=en

Not a microphone amongst them, however.

The Japanese appear to use -or spelling commonly.

You pays you money, you takes you chances.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Iain Churches]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:04:50 +0300, "Iain Churches"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> . ..
>>>>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
>>>>>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And this from the man who persistently writes
>>>> "condensor" microphone:-)
>>>
>>> It's a common usage, Iain.
>>
>>Sorry Arny. There is no such word.
>>
>>By "common usage", indolents like yourself have
>>dragged the English language to an all time low.
>>
>>Iain
>
>
> Ooops, Arnie won't like that. Stand by for a snotstorm.


Not from Arny. He's a born-again Christian, remember:-)
This puts him above any such coarse behaviour.
It was he who suggested the use of a standard English
dictionary to GMM

Iain

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
>>>>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
>>>>
>>>> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
>>>
>>>
>>> And this from the man who persistently writes
>>> "condensor" microphone:-)
>>
>> It's a common usage, Iain.
>
> Sorry Arny. There is no such word.
>
> By "common usage", indolents like yourself have
> dragged the English language to an all time low.

Yes Iain, you're always right and the rest of the world is always wrong.

[George M. Middius]

No snotstorm for Iain? Arnii must be off his "feed". ;-)

> > By "common usage", indolents like yourself have
> > dragged the English language to an all time low.

> Yes Iain, you're always right and the rest of the world is always wrong.

Looks like another pity storm is brewing in Goose Puke. Didn't we just
have one of them a week or so ago?





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Harry Lavo]

"Peter Wieck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Iain Churches wrote:
>
>> Sorry Arny. There is no such word.
>
> Iain:
>
> On the assumption that you are referring to the word "condensor" (as
> compared to "condenser"), it is quite a common usage and technical
> term-of-art in the HVAC, brewing and distillation industries.
>
> Pictures:
>
> http://images.google.com/images?q=Condensor&hl=en
>
> Not a microphone amongst them, however.
>
> The Japanese appear to use -or spelling commonly.
>
> You pays you money, you takes you chances.
>
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA

Peter -

Isn't that what English language dictionaries are for?

Harry

[Peter Wieck]

Harry Lavo wrote:

> Isn't that what English language dictionaries are for?

Harry:

Yeah, but. One might argue that there is only one legitimate English
Language dictionary. I would suggest two, but only one is any better
than moderately complete.

And when it comes to terms-of-art, it gets dicey right down the line.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Eeyore > wrote:

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> > "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> >
> > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> > >> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
> > >>
> > >
> > >>> Arnii, I apologize because my Krooglish decoder failed
> > >>> to map "liberate" onto a corresponding human word.
> > >>
> > >> Try using a standard English dictionary, Middiot.
> > >
> > >
> > > And this from the man who persistently writes
> > > "condensor" microphone:-)
> >
> > It's a common usage, Iain.
> >
> > Here's a news flash for you that you obviously need. Spellings of common
> > words can change when you cross national and/or cultural boundaries.
>
> Maybe Iain would prefer.......
>
> capaciter
> transister
> resister

non sequitor
computor
Dopplor

Stephen

[George M. Middius]

Harry Lavo said:

> > The Japanese appear to use -or spelling commonly.

> Isn't that what English language dictionaries are for?

Wiecky can't answer you right now, Harry. He's busy licking his anus.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[George M. Middius]

MINe 109 said:

> > Maybe Iain would prefer.......

> > capaciter
> > transister
> > resister

> non sequitor
> computor
> Dopplor

Some words don't demand absolutely correct spelling:

kristian
hypocrite
Kroopologist




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Peter Wieck]

The drooling blot under Jute-McCoy's fingernail bleated:

>More crap.

Mr. Middius: When is it that you get tired of being a spineless,
voiceless, brainless bit of pond-scum caught on a lying poseur's
extremity? You need to understand that you are only your lord &
master's second-favorite sock-puppet just because you have not one whit
of knowledge, intelligence or creativity of your own, and so are an
absolute reflection of its own lacks.

"Commander George".... I bet.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[paul packer]

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:32:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:


>Yes Iain, you're always right and the rest of the world is always wrong.

Is that your idea of a withering retort, Arnie? Where's the old fire?

[Iain Churches]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> . ..

>>>> And this from the man who persistently writes
>>>> "condensor" microphone:-)
>>>
>>> It's a common usage, Iain.
>>
>> Sorry Arny. There is no such word.
>>
>> By "common usage", indolents like yourself have
>> dragged the English language to an all time low.
>
> Yes Iain, you're always right and the rest of the world is always wrong.


Actually Arny, it turns out that the rest of the world (with the
possible exception of the Japanese brewing industry) is right, and
*you* are wrong:-))

Please be so kind as to find me an audio brochure, sales leaflet,
or article in the JAES which refers to a "condensor" microphone.

Is English your first language?

Iain

[Iain Churches]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...


> Is that your idea of a withering retort, Arnie? Where's the old fire?


Looks like you are fanning the flames, Paul:-)

Arny knows I have his measure.
Someone sent me one of his recordings!

Iain

[paul packer]

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:21:52 +0300, "Iain Churches"
> wrote:

>Arny knows I have his measure.
>Someone sent me one of his recordings!
>
>Iain

Is that the straight rap one or the hip hop?

[George M. Middius]

Iain Churches said to the Krooborg:

> Is English your first language?

Of course not. The Beast's native language is Krooglish.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message

> "paul packer" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>> Is that your idea of a withering retort, Arnie? Where's
>> the old fire?

We're talking Iain here - he's hardly worth my best shot, or even something
that has been retreaded 6 times.

> Looks like you are fanning the flames, Paul:-)

That what life is all about for Paul.

> Arny knows I have his measure.

I know that Iain is highly delusional.

> Someone sent me one of his recordings!

Ironic coming from someone who has never completely single-handedly produced
an audio recording in his life.

[paul packer]

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:24:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Iain Churches" > wrote in message

>> "paul packer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>> Is that your idea of a withering retort, Arnie? Where's
>>> the old fire?
>
>We're talking Iain here - he's hardly worth my best shot, or even something
>that has been retreaded 6 times.

Your best shot IS something that's been retreaded six times. If it
wasn't you'd be dazzling us with something original rather than
inducing us all into a coma with the sameness of every post.

>> Looks like you are fanning the flames, Paul:-)
>
>That what life is all about for Paul.

This will come as a shock to you, Arnie, but unlike you I don't regard
Usenet as "life". It's something I turn to when seeking an amusing
diversion. That's how you're categorised in my mind, Arnie--an
"amusing diversion". Are you pleased?

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

> This will come as a shock to you, Arnie, but unlike you I don't regard
> Usenet as "life". It's something I turn to when seeking an amusing
> diversion. That's how you're categorised in my mind, Arnie--an
> "amusing diversion". Are you pleased?

I hope you pray when you say things like that. Arnii is banking on his
LOt"S of good works to snag him a seat in "heaven". In fact the one he
tried to reserve is "next to Abraham". So don't mistake Arnii's
Kroofulness for the antisocial grit-in-the-gears it appears to be. In
Krooger's mind, he's doing God's work on Usenet.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Arny Krueger]

"paul packer" > wrote in message


> This will come as a shock to you, Arnie, but unlike you I
> don't regard Usenet as "life".

Your actions speak far louder than your words, Paul.

> It's something I turn to
> when seeking an amusing diversion.

It takes a really small mind to be diverted by the crap you post here, Paul.

> That's how you're categorised in my mind, Arnie--an "amusing diversion".

Except that have no actual contact with me.

> Are you pleased?

Paul, I'm mystefied how a person as brain-dead as you has any autonomic
functions left that still work. Medical science suggests that you're
speaking from the grave. But that's not possible in the real world. Oh, this
is Usenet! Explains it all!

[Peter Wieck]

George M. Middius drolled as usual:

>Its typical meaningless tripe.

Mr. Middius: You need to understand something... if "understanding" is
within your possibilities as a sockpuppet, that is.

I am not "defending" Mr. Kreuger. I am making fun of you. Deliberately.
With no malice whatsoever, as it happens, but simply as a way to enjoy
some vituperative exercises with reference to a bit of slime with no
redeeming social value. So, cutting to the chase, it is my opinion that
"Commander Middius" is a loose accretion of fantasies supported by
anecdotes of doubtful veracity. That it does not exist as an
independent, self-motivated entity, but only as the fevered creation of
a lying poseur suffering from acute Munchausen and Delusions of
Adequacy residing somewhere in Cork, Ireland... where Blarney is both
expected and tolerated... much as the Village Idiot.

So, get with the program and make your usual repetitive, stupid, silly,
ignorant reply.. more grist for the mill.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

NO actual living creatures were mentioned or attacked during this post.

[paul packer]

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:42:08 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"paul packer" > wrote in message

>
>> This will come as a shock to you, Arnie, but unlike you I
>> don't regard Usenet as "life".
>
>Your actions speak far louder than your words, Paul.
>
>> It's something I turn to
>> when seeking an amusing diversion.
>
>It takes a really small mind to be diverted by the crap you post here, Paul.
>
>> That's how you're categorised in my mind, Arnie--an "amusing diversion".
>
>Except that have no actual contact with me.
>
>> Are you pleased?
>
>Paul, I'm mystefied how a person as brain-dead as you has any autonomic
>functions left that still work. Medical science suggests that you're
>speaking from the grave. But that's not possible in the real world. Oh, this
>is Usenet! Explains it all!


You know I think the world of you, don't you, Arnie? :-)

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net> wrote in message

> Iain Churches said to the Krooborg:
>
>> Is English your first language?
>
> Of course not. The Beast's native language is Krooglish.

Middius, you do know full well that your presence here is depriving some
villiage of its idiot?

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg lets loose a non-IKYABWAI jape.

> > Of course not. The Beast's native language is Krooglish.

> Middius, you do know full well that your presence here is depriving some
> villiage[sic] of its idiot?

You almost did it that time, Arnii. But you spoiled it by letting a bit of
Krooglish creep in. E for effort though.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[paul packer]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:08:06 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>[dot] net> wrote in message

>> Iain Churches said to the Krooborg:
>>
>>> Is English your first language?
>>
>> Of course not. The Beast's native language is Krooglish.
>
>Middius, you do know full well that your presence here is depriving some
>villiage of its idiot?

Don't you know that the Internet is the global village, Arny? George
is exactly where he should be.

Eh, hang on......

[Iain Churches]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
>> "paul packer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>> Is that your idea of a withering retort, Arnie? Where's
>>> the old fire?
>
> We're talking Iain here - he's hardly worth my best shot, or even
> something that has been retreaded 6 times.
>
>> Looks like you are fanning the flames, Paul:-)
>
> That what life is all about for Paul.
>
>> Arny knows I have his measure.
>> Someone sent me one of his recordings!
>
> Ironic coming from someone who has never completely single-handedly
> produced an audio recording in his life.
>
When making commercial recordings for major labels, the standard
recording team of producer, 1st engineer, 2E, and technician, is the only
sensible way to work when the clock is ticking in multiples of the
Euro, not seconds.

This way one can avoid the horrendous recorded atrocities for
which you have become so well known:-)

Iain

[Iain Churches]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:21:52 +0300, "Iain Churches"
> > wrote:
>
>>Arny knows I have his measure.
>>Someone sent me one of his recordings!
>>
>>Iain
>
> Is that the straight rap one or the hip hop?

There's something incongruous about our
Arny, - rather like a nun with a heavy metal
tattoo:-)

Iain

[Peter Wieck]

Iain Churches wrote:

> Actually Arny, it turns out that the rest of the world (with the
> possible exception of the Japanese brewing industry) is right, and
> *you* are wrong:-))
>
> Please be so kind as to find me an audio brochure, sales leaflet,
> or article in the JAES which refers to a "condensor" microphone.

Not to be a contrarian, or such, but:

http://www.webref.org/acoustics/c/condensor_microphone.htm

http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/buy_fostex_mc10st_hypercardiod_condensor_microphon es_pair?full_sku=270336&src=4WBZ4DS


And so forth. That these sellers may be no better spell(o)rs than Arnie
(or not depending on one's peculiar point of view) is not relevant to
the question asked.

Put another way, if one searches the web to prove the Earth is flat,
there will be plenty of evidence. Mr. McCoy is sufficient proof of that
potential.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[paul packer]

On 11 Sep 2006 10:24:02 -0700, "Peter Wieck" > wrote:


>Put another way, if one searches the web to prove the Earth is flat,
>there will be plenty of evidence. Mr. McCoy is sufficient proof of that
>potential.


Your real name isn't Hatfield, is it? :-)

[Peter Wieck]

paul packer wrote:
> Your real name isn't Hatfield, is it? :-)

Not hardly.

I would not attack an unarmed creature... true of both McCoy and
Middius. Comes to it, Middius is naught but an accretion on McCoy's
upper appendage, so even less at issue.

It is quietly amusing to practice vituperative prose in the absolute
knowledge that no possible harm to any natural creature will come of
it.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Iain Churches]

"Peter Wieck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Iain Churches wrote:
>
>> Actually Arny, it turns out that the rest of the world (with the
>> possible exception of the Japanese brewing industry) is right, and
>> *you* are wrong:-))
>>
>> Please be so kind as to find me an audio brochure, sales leaflet,
>> or article in the JAES which refers to a "condensor" microphone.
>
> Not to be a contrarian, or such, but:
>
> http://www.webref.org/acoustics/c/condensor_microphone.htm
>

Surprising they didn't spell acoustics with a double c. :-)
Take a look at the side panels of the page above, and find the
correct spelling.

Next, check any professional microphone catalogue, Neumann,
AKG, Schoeps etc etc.

Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in sight:-)

Iain

[Peter Wieck]

Iain Churches wrote:

> Surprising they didn't spell acoustics with a double c. :-)
> Take a look at the side panels of the page above, and find the
> correct spelling.
>
> Next, check any professional microphone catalogue, Neumann,
> AKG, Schoeps etc etc.
>
> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in sight:-)

All true. But if the goal is to separate fly**** from pepper, then
pursue Condenser/or for the rest of your natural life. And if that is
the basis on which you hang your dislike of an individual, go for it.

The only place I am attempting to go with this in a heavy-humorous way
is that it would be far more interesting to concentrate on issues of
substance. The likes of a Middius or a Jute-McCoy and its ilk (not
"their" ilk as it is my belief that they are a single manifestation),
and its fomenting such discussions is because it has no real means to
discuss any substantial issue. It also craves attention. And
Middius-McCoy always engages in the same tactic to attempt its
mischief... outright lies connected with elaborately constructed
fantasies and silly little failures at invective.

What is now happening is that a spelling discussion has subsumed what
was never really a viable thread anyway. Consider that.

Keep in mind that I am not defending one individual or another.... what
a wasted effort that would be anywhere in Usenet. But, repeating
myself, it is quietly amusing to prod the little git, and there is no
guilt attached as there is nothing there to be harmed.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message


> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in
> sight:-)

Joke, right?

....proving once again that Iain is himself a joke.

Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of "condensor". They
mostly refer to microphones.

[Iain Churches]

"Peter Wieck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Iain Churches wrote:
>
>> Surprising they didn't spell acoustics with a double c. :-)
>> Take a look at the side panels of the page above, and find the
>> correct spelling.
>>
>> Next, check any professional microphone catalogue, Neumann,
>> AKG, Schoeps etc etc.
>>
>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in sight:-)
>
> All true. But if the goal is to separate fly**** from pepper, then
> pursue Condenser/or for the rest of your natural life. And if that is
> the basis on which you hang your dislike of an individual, go for it.

Peter. You seem to have conveniently missed the point. To recap for
a moment: Arny suggested that GMM use a dictionary, to which I replied,
"and this from the man who writes "condensor" at it took off from there.

I am puzzled why you seem to need to bring Andre Jute into every post
you make.

> What is now happening is that a spelling discussion has subsumed what
> was never really a viable thread anyway. Consider that.

So we need to teach Arny to spell, to keep our threads on topic:-))

>
> Keep in mind that I am not defending one individual or another.... what
> a wasted effort that would be anywhere in Usenet. But, repeating
> myself, it is quietly amusing to prod the little git, and there is no
> guilt attached as there is nothing there to be harmed.
>


Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?

Iain

[Iain Churches]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in
>> sight:-)
>
> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of "condensor". They
> mostly refer to microphones.


You do not give the total number of instances. Probably many
thousands. It must be some small comfort to you Arny to know
you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in the world of audio.

I have checked several industry training manuals, and manufacturers'
leaflets, and did not find a single instance of "condensor"

Even the Microsoft spelling checker picks it up as an error, and
the Oxford dictionary has no entry for such a word.
As someone suggested, let's just put it down to Krooglish:-)

Iain

[George M. Middius]

Iain Churches said:

> Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?

It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Arny Krueger]

"Iain Churches" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in
>>> sight:-)
>>
>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of
>> "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.

> You do not give the total number of instances. Probably
> many thousands. It must be some small comfort to you Arny
> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in the world
> of audio.

Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in fact there were a
fair number of them. Rather than admit your factual error, you launch into a
new whine of complaint.

> I have checked several industry training manuals, and
> manufacturers' leaflets, and did not find a single
> instance of "condensor"

I checked the JAES as you suggested, and proved you wrong.

> Even the Microsoft spelling checker picks it up as an
> error, and the Oxford dictionary has no entry for such a
> word.

So what? I checked the JAES as you suggested, and proved you wrong.

> As someone suggested, let's just put it down to
> Krooglish:-)

Nice job of trying to talk around your error, Iain. It is all that many of
us expected from you.

[MINe 109]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in
> >>> sight:-)
> >>
> >> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of
> >> "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
>
> > You do not give the total number of instances. Probably
> > many thousands. It must be some small comfort to you Arny
> > to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in the world
> > of audio.
>
> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in fact there were a
> fair number of them. Rather than admit your factual error, you launch into a
> new whine of complaint.

Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on JAES misspells
condenser. You're wrong in misspelling it.

Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean *condenser*?"

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor"
>>>>> in sight:-)
>>>>
>>>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of
>>>> "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
>>
>>> You do not give the total number of instances. Probably
>>> many thousands. It must be some small comfort to you
>>> Arny
>>> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in
>>> the world of audio.
>>
>> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in
>> fact there were a fair number of them. Rather than admit
>> your factual error, you launch into a new whine of
>> complaint.
>
> Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on
> JAES misspells condenser. You're wrong in misspelling it.

Well Stephen, you're wrong for trying to pass off the following flawed
logic:

> Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
> 'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean *condenser*?"


Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't mean that they are
misspelled. Just means that its smart enough to remind you of the
possibility that you picked the wrong one. Or not.

[MINe 109]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>> . ..
> >>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
> >>>> message
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor"
> >>>>> in sight:-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of
> >>>> "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
> >>
> >>> You do not give the total number of instances. Probably
> >>> many thousands. It must be some small comfort to you
> >>> Arny
> >>> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in
> >>> the world of audio.
> >>
> >> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in
> >> fact there were a fair number of them. Rather than admit
> >> your factual error, you launch into a new whine of
> >> complaint.
> >
> > Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on
> > JAES misspells condenser. You're wrong in misspelling it.
>
> Well Stephen, you're wrong for trying to pass off the following flawed
> logic:

Taint logic; it's a fact.

> > Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
> > 'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean *condenser*?"
>
>
> Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't mean that they are
> misspelled. Just means that its smart enough to remind you of the
> possibility that you picked the wrong one. Or not.

Doesn't the approximately 20:1 ratio of usage give you pause?

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>> . ..
>>>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a
>>>>>>> "condensor" in sight:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances
>>>>>> of "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
>>>>
>>>>> You do not give the total number of instances.
>>>>> Probably many thousands. It must be some small
>>>>> comfort to you Arny
>>>>> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in
>>>>> the world of audio.
>>>>
>>>> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in
>>>> fact there were a fair number of them. Rather than
>>>> admit your factual error, you launch into a new whine
>>>> of complaint.
>>>
>>> Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on
>>> JAES misspells condenser. You're wrong in misspelling
>>> it.
>>
>> Well Stephen, you're wrong for trying to pass off the
>> following flawed logic:
>
> Taint logic; it's a fact.
>
>>> Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
>>> 'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean
>>> *condenser*?"
>>
>>
>> Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't
>> mean that they are misspelled. Just means that its
>> smart enough to remind you of the possibility that you
>> picked the wrong one. Or not.
>
> Doesn't the approximately 20:1 ratio of usage give you
> pause?

Not when I've got the JAES behind me!

;-)

[Peter Wieck]

Iain Churches wrote:

> I am puzzled why you seem to need to bring Andre Jute into every post
> you make.

Only those posts that have damned-all to do with tubes...

But the reason is that Middius & Jute-McCoy are extensions of the same
pseudopod, not separate entities.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[MINe 109]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
> >>>> message
> >>>>
> >>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>>>> . ..
> >>>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
> >>>>>> message
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a
> >>>>>>> "condensor" in sight:-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances
> >>>>>> of "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
> >>>>
> >>>>> You do not give the total number of instances.
> >>>>> Probably many thousands. It must be some small
> >>>>> comfort to you Arny
> >>>>> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in
> >>>>> the world of audio.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in
> >>>> fact there were a fair number of them. Rather than
> >>>> admit your factual error, you launch into a new whine
> >>>> of complaint.
> >>>
> >>> Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on
> >>> JAES misspells condenser. You're wrong in misspelling
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> Well Stephen, you're wrong for trying to pass off the
> >> following flawed logic:
> >
> > Taint logic; it's a fact.
> >
> >>> Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
> >>> 'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean
> >>> *condenser*?"
> >>
> >>
> >> Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't
> >> mean that they are misspelled. Just means that its
> >> smart enough to remind you of the possibility that you
> >> picked the wrong one. Or not.
> >
> > Doesn't the approximately 20:1 ratio of usage give you
> > pause?
>
> Not when I've got the JAES behind me!
>
> ;-)

Now search JAES for 'condenser'.

Stephen

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> Iain Churches said:
>
> > Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?
>
> It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.

You mean in comparison to how *you* talk about him on r.a.o

Graham

[George M. Middius]

DonkeyBorg strains to apologize for Arnii Kroo****.

> > > Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?

> > It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.

> You mean in comparison to how *you* talk about him on r.a.o

I would say it's very nice in comparison to my own descriptions of
Turdborg, but merely nice in comparison to what most others say.

BTW, you dumb donkey, I'm not the only one who likens Krooger to feces.
There are several others who share my viewpoint.





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> DonkeyBorg strains to apologize for Arnii Kroo****.
>
> > > > Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?
>
> > > It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.
>
> > You mean in comparison to how *you* talk about him on r.a.o
>
> I would say it's very nice in comparison to my own descriptions of
> Turdborg, but merely nice in comparison to what most others say.
>
> BTW, you dumb donkey, I'm not the only one who likens Krooger to feces.
> There are several others who share my viewpoint.

And you reckon that makes it right ?

Graham

[George M. Middius]

Poopie, did you finally get your "debating trade" license?

> > DonkeyBorg strains to apologize for Arnii Kroo****.

> > > > > Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?

> > > > It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.

> > > You mean in comparison to how *you* talk about him on r.a.o

> > I would say it's very nice in comparison to my own descriptions of
> > Turdborg, but merely nice in comparison to what most others say.

> > BTW, you dumb donkey, I'm not the only one who likens Krooger to feces.
> > There are several others who share my viewpoint.

> And you reckon that makes it right ?

I suppose this is your way of admitting you were wrong when claimed it was
only me.





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> Poopie, did you finally get your "debating trade" license?
>
> > > DonkeyBorg strains to apologize for Arnii Kroo****.
>
> > > > > > Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?
>
> > > > > It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.
>
> > > > You mean in comparison to how *you* talk about him on r.a.o
>
> > > I would say it's very nice in comparison to my own descriptions of
> > > Turdborg, but merely nice in comparison to what most others say.
>
> > > BTW, you dumb donkey, I'm not the only one who likens Krooger to feces.
> > > There are several others who share my viewpoint.
>
> > And you reckon that makes it right ?
>
> I suppose this is your way of admitting you were wrong when claimed it was
> only me.

No

Graham

[George M. Middius]

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Poopie.

> > Poopie, did you finally get your "debating trade" license?

> > > > DonkeyBorg strains to apologize for Arnii Kroo****.

> > > > > > > Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?

> > > > > > It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.

> > > > > You mean in comparison to how *you* talk about him on r.a.o

> > > > I would say it's very nice in comparison to my own descriptions of
> > > > Turdborg, but merely nice in comparison to what most others say.

> > > > BTW, you dumb donkey, I'm not the only one who likens Krooger to feces.
> > > > There are several others who share my viewpoint.

> > > And you reckon that makes it right ?

> > I suppose this is your way of admitting you were wrong when claimed it was
> > only me.

> No

Yes.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Poopie.

Spelling error noted - Nul Points !


> > > Poopie, did you finally get your "debating trade" license?
>
> > > > > DonkeyBorg strains to apologize for Arnii Kroo****.
>
> > > > > > > > Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?
>
> > > > > > > It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.
>
> > > > > > You mean in comparison to how *you* talk about him on r.a.o
>
> > > > > I would say it's very nice in comparison to my own descriptions of
> > > > > Turdborg, but merely nice in comparison to what most others say.
>
> > > > > BTW, you dumb donkey, I'm not the only one who likens Krooger to feces.
> > > > > There are several others who share my viewpoint.
>
> > > > And you reckon that makes it right ?
>
> > > I suppose this is your way of admitting you were wrong when claimed it was
> > > only me.
>
> > No
>
> Yes.

No it isn't.

Graham

[George M. Middius]

DonkeyBorg brayed:

> > Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Poopie.

> Spelling error noted - Nul Points !

Are you aware of your idol's stance on pointing out spelling errors,
Poopster?

Now be a good donkey and do two things: Recant your false accusation of
errant orthography, and admit you were bollixed by my earlier reply and
that's why you admitted you were full of **** about the Krooborg.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> DonkeyBorg brayed:
>
> > > Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Poopie.
>
> > Spelling error noted - Nul Points !
>
> Are you aware of your idol's stance on pointing out spelling errors,
> Poopster?

I have no idol.

Graham

[paul packer]

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:08:40 GMT, MINe 109 >
wrote:


>> Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't mean that they are
>> misspelled. Just means that its smart enough to remind you of the
>> possibility that you picked the wrong one. Or not.
>
>Doesn't the approximately 20:1 ratio of usage give you pause?
>
>Stephen


Hi, guys! How's it going trying to prove Arny wrong? Any luck yet?

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
>> In article >,
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> . ..
>>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor"
>>>>>> in sight:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of
>>>>> "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
>>>
>>>> You do not give the total number of instances. Probably
>>>> many thousands. It must be some small comfort to you
>>>> Arny
>>>> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in
>>>> the world of audio.
>>>
>>> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in
>>> fact there were a fair number of them. Rather than admit
>>> your factual error, you launch into a new whine of
>>> complaint.
>>
>> Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on
>> JAES misspells condenser. You're wrong in misspelling it.
>
> Well Stephen, you're wrong for trying to pass off the following flawed
> logic:
>
>> Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
>> 'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean *condenser*?"
>
>
> Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't mean that they are
> misspelled. Just means that its smart enough to remind you of the
> possibility that you picked the wrong one. Or not.


Arny is never, ever, ever, ever wrong, Stephen. Did you forget that?

[MINe 109]

In article >,
"Harry Lavo" > wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> >

> >> Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on
> >> JAES misspells condenser. You're wrong in misspelling it.
> >
> > Well Stephen, you're wrong for trying to pass off the following flawed
> > logic:
> >
> >> Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
> >> 'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean *condenser*?"
> >
> >
> > Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't mean that they are
> > misspelled. Just means that its smart enough to remind you of the
> > possibility that you picked the wrong one. Or not.
>
>
> Arny is never, ever, ever, ever wrong, Stephen. Did you forget that?

Yes, indeed. Not only that, but he's better at admitting he's wrong than
anyone else.

Stephen

[George M. Middius]

MINe 109 said:

> > Arny is never, ever, ever, ever wrong, Stephen. Did you forget that?

> Yes, indeed. Not only that, but he's better at admitting he's wrong than
> anyone else.

If irony had teeth so it could bite Arnii in the ass.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Iain Churches]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >>> In article
>> >>> >, "Arny
>> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
>> >>>> message
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> >>>>> . ..
>> >>>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
>> >>>>>> message
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a
>> >>>>>>> "condensor" in sight:-)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances
>> >>>>>> of "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> You do not give the total number of instances.
>> >>>>> Probably many thousands. It must be some small
>> >>>>> comfort to you Arny
>> >>>>> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in
>> >>>>> the world of audio.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in
>> >>>> fact there were a fair number of them. Rather than
>> >>>> admit your factual error, you launch into a new whine
>> >>>> of complaint.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on
>> >>> JAES misspells condenser. You're wrong in misspelling
>> >>> it.
>> >>
>> >> Well Stephen, you're wrong for trying to pass off the
>> >> following flawed logic:
>> >
>> > Taint logic; it's a fact.
>> >
>> >>> Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
>> >>> 'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean
>> >>> *condenser*?"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't
>> >> mean that they are misspelled. Just means that its
>> >> smart enough to remind you of the possibility that you
>> >> picked the wrong one. Or not.
>> >
>> > Doesn't the approximately 20:1 ratio of usage give you
>> > pause?
>>
>> Not when I've got the JAES behind me!
>>
>> ;-)
>
> Now search JAES for 'condenser'.
>
> Stephen

Precisely!

[Iain Churches]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
>> In article >,
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> >, "Arny
>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>>> . ..
>>>>>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a
>>>>>>>> "condensor" in sight:-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances
>>>>>>> of "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You do not give the total number of instances.
>>>>>> Probably many thousands. It must be some small
>>>>>> comfort to you Arny
>>>>>> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in
>>>>>> the world of audio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in
>>>>> fact there were a fair number of them. Rather than
>>>>> admit your factual error, you launch into a new whine
>>>>> of complaint.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on
>>>> JAES misspells condenser. You're wrong in misspelling
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Well Stephen, you're wrong for trying to pass off the
>>> following flawed logic:
>>
>> Taint logic; it's a fact.
>>
>>>> Google sez: 'condenser' about 12,400,000
>>>> 'condensor' about 772,000 "Did you mean
>>>> *condenser*?"
>>>
>>>
>>> Google does the same thing for many homophones. Doesn't
>>> mean that they are misspelled. Just means that its
>>> smart enough to remind you of the possibility that you
>>> picked the wrong one. Or not.
>>
>> Doesn't the approximately 20:1 ratio of usage give you
>> pause?
>
> Not when I've got the JAES behind me!

But you haven't, except in a handful of misspelt cases,
written by people as careless and sloppy as yourself.

I would ask you to search for "condenser" but you have
already shown that you cannot spell it:-)

Iain

[Iain Churches]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> > . ..
>> >> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in
>> >>> sight:-)
>> >>
>> >> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of
>> >> "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
>>
>> > You do not give the total number of instances. Probably
>> > many thousands. It must be some small comfort to you Arny
>> > to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in the world
>> > of audio.
>>
>> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in fact there were a
>> fair number of them. Rather than admit your factual error, you launch
>> into a
>> new whine of complaint.
>
> Hey, you're both wrong. Iain's wrong to claim no one on JAES misspells
> condenser.

I don't have the CD ROM, but I did look through a large number of
printed copies, and found in every case the word correctly written.

I am told the CD contains several thousand references, Arny found
only a few written incorrectly which proves to his relief that he is
not quite the only illiterate in the world of audio. He seems to
take great comfort from that. He has overlooked that many
of the JAES articles are written by people for whom English is
not the first language. Arny has no such excuse.

I also checked data and sales info from Neumann, AKG and
Schoeps. These all contained the correct spelling *in every
single case*


> You're wrong in misspelling it.

Indeed he is. It will be interesting to see how he spells
it in the future:-)) If he is smart, he will correct it. If he
is not-so-smart, (the more probably alternative) he will
continue stubbornly on as before. That's what makes
him Arny!

But either way, I shall not be surprised. After all, it took
him three months to learn to spell my name, and he only
started to get that right regularly when I pointed out it
had four letters, like so many of the other Anglo Saxon
words of which he used to be so fond:-)

Regards to all
Iain

[paul packer]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:17:55 +0300, "Iain Churches"
> wrote:


>I would ask you to search for "condenser" but you have
>already shown that you cannot spell it:-)

Good one, Iain.

[Eeyore]

paul packer wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:17:55 +0300, "Iain Churches"
> > wrote:
>
> >I would ask you to search for "condenser" but you have
> >already shown that you cannot spell it:-)
>
> Good one, Iain.

It's incredibly boring in fact.

Graham

[Iain Churches]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> "Iain Churches" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> Then take a look through the JAES. Not a "condensor" in
>>>> sight:-)
>>>
>>> Searching the JAES on disk finds about 25 instances of
>>> "condensor". They mostly refer to microphones.
>
>> You do not give the total number of instances. Probably
>> many thousands. It must be some small comfort to you Arny
>> to know you are not *quite* the only literary dunce in the world
>> of audio.
>
> Not at all Iain. You said that there were none, and in fact there were a
> fair number of them. Rather than admit your factual error, you launch into
> a new whine of complaint.

You found a few instances (out of many thousands) probably
written by people whose first language is not English. You have
no such excuse.

>
>> I have checked several industry training manuals, and
>> manufacturers' leaflets, and did not find a single
>> instance of "condensor"
>
> So what? I checked the JAES as you suggested, and proved you wrong.

See above.
>
>> As someone suggested, let's just put it down to
>> Krooglish:-)
>
> Nice job of trying to talk around your error, Iain. It is all that many of
> us expected from you.

The error, my dear Arny, was (and still is) entirely yours.

Best regards
Iain

[Iain Churches]

"Eeyore" > wrote in
message ...
>
>
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
>
>> Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Poopie.
>
> Spelling error noted - Nul Points !
>
>
>> > > Poopie, did you finally get your "debating trade" license?
>>
>> > > > > DonkeyBorg strains to apologize for Arnii Kroo****.
>>
>> > > > > > > > Little git? Is that a nice way to talk about our Arny?
>>
>> > > > > > > It's nice in comparison to how we talk about him on RAO.
>>
>> > > > > > You mean in comparison to how *you* talk about him on r.a.o
>>
>> > > > > I would say it's very nice in comparison to my own descriptions
>> > > > > of
>> > > > > Turdborg, but merely nice in comparison to what most others say.
>>
>> > > > > BTW, you dumb donkey, I'm not the only one who likens Krooger to
>> > > > > feces.
>> > > > > There are several others who share my viewpoint.
>>
>> > > > And you reckon that makes it right ?
>>
>> > > I suppose this is your way of admitting you were wrong when claimed
>> > > it was
>> > > only me.
>>
>> > No
>>
>> Yes.
>
> No it isn't.
>
All together now...........

[George M. Middius]

DonkeyBorg brayed:

> > >I would ask you to search for "condenser" but you have
> > >already shown that you cannot spell it:-)

> > Good one, Iain.

> It's incredibly boring in fact.

Instead of Kroopologizing for your idol, Poopie, why don't you admit he
screwed up again and is too demented to admit it?





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[George M. Middius]

Iain Churches said:

> > You said that there were none, and in fact there were a
> > fair number of them. Rather than admit your factual error, you launch into
> > a new whine of complaint.

> You found a few instances (out of many thousands) probably
> written by people whose first language is not English. You have
> no such excuse.

Actually, Krooger does have that excuse. Just ask him what his "native"
language is.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> Iain Churches said:
>
> > > You said that there were none, and in fact there were a
> > > fair number of them. Rather than admit your factual error, you launch into
> > > a new whine of complaint.
>
> > You found a few instances (out of many thousands) probably
> > written by people whose first language is not English. You have
> > no such excuse.
>
> Actually, Krooger does have that excuse. Just ask him what his "native"
> language is.

Oh - stick it up your bottom you Middiot !

Graham

[George M. Middius]

Poopie wails in agony at the humiliation of the Krooborg.

> > > You found a few instances (out of many thousands) probably
> > > written by people whose first language is not English. You have
> > > no such excuse.

> > Actually, Krooger does have that excuse. Just ask him what his "native"
> > language is.

> Oh - stick it up your bottom you Middiot !


Poopie B'ar, Poopie B'ar
Why do you love Kroo?
Oh fee, oh fie, oh stinking turd
Krooger's all **** and you're a twit.

Poopie B'ar, Poopie B'ar
Does Krooger too love you?
A textbook of lies both great and small
Will bring you near to the Kroo you adore.

Poopie B'ar, Poopie B'ar
Kroopologist supreme.
The Kroo you must defend — for
If not for Kroo, it would be you.





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> Poopie wails in agony at the humiliation of the Krooborg.
>
> > > > You found a few instances (out of many thousands) probably
> > > > written by people whose first language is not English. You have
> > > > no such excuse.
>
> > > Actually, Krooger does have that excuse. Just ask him what his "native"
> > > language is.
>
> > Oh - stick it up your bottom you Middiot !
>
> Poopie B'ar, Poopie B'ar

**** YOU **** YOU **** YOU AND YOUR DICKHEAD 'PRESIDENT' TOO.

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> DonkeyBorg brayed:
>
> > > >I would ask you to search for "condenser" but you have
> > > >already shown that you cannot spell it:-)
>
> > > Good one, Iain.
>
> > It's incredibly boring in fact.
>
> Instead of Kroopologizing for your idol, Poopie, why don't you admit he
> screwed up again and is too demented to admit it?

That's for him to address, not me.

Graham

[George M. Middius]

Poopie loses control.

> > Poopie B'ar, Poopie B'ar
> > Why do you love Kroo?
> > Oh fee, oh fie, oh stinking turd
> > Krooger's all **** and you're a twit.

> > Poopie B'ar, Poopie B'ar
> > Does Krooger too love you?
> > A textbook of lies both great and small
> > Will bring you near to the Kroo you adore.

> > Poopie B'ar, Poopie B'ar
> > Kroopologist supreme.
> > The Kroo you must defend — for
> > If not for Kroo, it would be you.


> **** YOU **** YOU **** YOU AND YOUR DICKHEAD 'PRESIDENT' TOO.

Why so angry, Poopster? BTW, I didn't vote for Dumbya. Not twice, not
once, not ever. I agree that he and his crew of jerkwads made Iraq worse
than it was under Saddam. So if you want to hate me, there's no need to
base your odium on your irrational animus toward all things American.





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[George M. Middius]

DonkeyBorg brayed:

> > Instead of Kroopologizing for your idol, Poopie, why don't you admit he
> > screwed up again and is too demented to admit it?

> That's for him to address, not me.

We have a fundamental agreement that you idolize the Krooborg. Admitting
you have a problem is the first step, Poopie.





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net> wrote in message

> DonkeyBorg brayed:
>
>>> Instead of Kroopologizing for your idol, Poopie, why
>>> don't you admit he screwed up again and is too demented
>>> to admit it?
>
>> That's for him to address, not me.
>
> We have a fundamental agreement that you idolize the
> Krooborg. Admitting you have a problem is the first step,
> Poopie.

Note that Middius is addressing figments of his imagination. I guess it
makes him feel like a big man.