an un-finalized cd

[d]

Hello everyone-

There is a question that I was hoping someone could help me with. I
did a classical guitar graduate student recital at the Eastman School
of Music about 3 years ago. I didn't know how to operate the cd
recorder in the room (ciminelli hall for any Eastman grads). Thus, now
when I pop in the cd to try to listen to it, my cd player just says
"disk not finalized."

Thus sucks. I had never played Koyunbaba better. Is there anything I
can do? Or am I just out of luck? Thank you for your considerations,

-dave

[gunnar]

You might test the following:

1 - put the CD in a computer and see what that can find. CD players are
often a bit simplistic (stupid) and sometimes computer programs are
better. Then you could perhaps rip the music off the CD
2 - find a similar or same type of CD recorder. Play the CD there are
and transer to other media.
3 - as a latch ditch effort, finalize the CD. This is the stage where
the catalogue is written that a normal CD player reads. Save this for
last as it might possibly be destructive. The computer you use in 1
might suggest it, but I would take it easy. Best is probably to do it
on a same type recorder as the recording was done.
4 - whatever, don't throw it away. There might be someone who knows how
to the stuff off.

G

[d]

Ok, my computer doesn't recognize the cd. Says there is no cd in the
drive. I emailed the folks at my school to see if they could help me
out in figuring out which cd recorder they had at that point, and if it
changed, yadda.

I suppose it's probably best to talk to either a number of mastering
engineers and/or data retrieval experts, right?

thanks for your help,

-d

[geezer]

Find out what kind of cd recorder it was. Then it might be simple
enough to locate a store that sells them. It takes about 4 minutes to
finalize the cd, I bet you could talk them into letting you finalize
yours, as a demo thing. Or offer to pay them a nominal amount to do so.

Are you still in rochester?

-glenn


d wrote:
> Hello everyone-
>
> There is a question that I was hoping someone could help me with. I
> did a classical guitar graduate student recital at the Eastman School
> of Music about 3 years ago. I didn't know how to operate the cd
> recorder in the room (ciminelli hall for any Eastman grads). Thus, now
> when I pop in the cd to try to listen to it, my cd player just says
> "disk not finalized."
>
> Thus sucks. I had never played Koyunbaba better. Is there anything I
> can do? Or am I just out of luck? Thank you for your considerations,
>
> -dave

[Henk]

d schreef:

> Hello everyone-
>
> There is a question that I was hoping someone could help me with. I
> did a classical guitar graduate student recital at the Eastman School
> of Music about 3 years ago. I didn't know how to operate the cd
> recorder in the room (ciminelli hall for any Eastman grads). Thus, now
> when I pop in the cd to try to listen to it, my cd player just says
> "disk not finalized."
>
> Thus sucks. I had never played Koyunbaba better. Is there anything I
> can do? Or am I just out of luck? Thank you for your considerations,
>
> -dave

Did you ever manage to play the cd? that is to say; are you sure there
is something on it? You should be able to see that there are actual
lines written. Then clean the cd by very carefully with a SPECIAL cloth
(one that is fiber blabla) moving from the inside of the cd to the
outside perpendicular to the lines written on the cd (so from the hole
to the edge in straight lines). Check the cd for obvious scratches,
also on the label (top) side. This side is actually more vulnarable and
if the reflective layer is damaged any reader will have serious
problems). (If there are obvious scratches close to the hole try to let
the reader start at track 2 or 3 ot something) Try a (preferably
plextor) cdrw-drive. In priniple a cdrom-drive should be able to read a
cd without toc/leadin/out etc but cdrw-drives are better at it. Then
the question is whether it is your drive who doesn't read it or your
software. Drives don't really need a toc but some software does, so try
different software and try also not to immediatly let the software
assume it is redbook standard. Use for example cd burning, or
HDrecording software.
If it doesn't work and you really want to have what's on it AND you are
out of other options just look for a masteringstudio in your erea, send
them a very nice email in which you describe how sad you are to loose
that performance and stuff. If you are a bit lucky they'll just read
and re-burn the cd for you; they're experts at these kind of problems.

Henk

[Arny Krueger]

"d" > wrote in message
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> Ok, my computer doesn't recognize the cd. Says there is
> no cd in the drive.

Typical for a comptuer CD reader drive.


>I emailed the folks at my school to
> see if they could help me out in figuring out which cd
> recorder they had at that point, and if it changed, yadda.

> I suppose it's probably best to talk to either a number
> of mastering engineers and/or data retrieval experts,
> right?

(1) Be sure to be using a computer CD *burner* drive.

(2) Use the CD burning software to check the status of the disc.

Usually, the CD burning software disc status checking features will provide
you with an opportunity to finalize a disc that has been written to, but not
finalized. I've done this with Nero and EZ CD when I somehow end up with a
disc that has not been finalized by the HHB CD recorder at church.

While this has worked pretty reliably for me with a number of stand-alone CD
burners, no such luck with stand-alone DVD burners.

[Scott Dorsey]

d > wrote:
>
>There is a question that I was hoping someone could help me with. I
>did a classical guitar graduate student recital at the Eastman School
>of Music about 3 years ago. I didn't know how to operate the cd
>recorder in the room (ciminelli hall for any Eastman grads). Thus, now
>when I pop in the cd to try to listen to it, my cd player just says
>"disk not finalized."
>
>Thus sucks. I had never played Koyunbaba better. Is there anything I
>can do? Or am I just out of luck? Thank you for your considerations,

Maybe. Do you know what exact model player it was? If you can find the
same model player, you might be able to finalize it on that after all
these years.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

d wrote:

> did a classical guitar graduate student recital at the Eastman School
> of Music about 3 years ago. I didn't know how to operate the cd
> recorder in the room (ciminelli hall for any Eastman grads). Thus, now
> when I pop in the cd to try to listen to it, my cd player just says
> "disk not finalized."

If you have a PC with a CD burner (just about all of them do), go to
http://www.isobuster.com and download a copy of the program. The free
version will probably be able to read the disk if there's indeed
anything recorded on it. You'll be able to use the program to save the
recording as a WAV file, then use that to create a new audio CD with
either Windows tools (kind of obtuse and undocumented) or the
CD-burning program, usually Nero or Easy CD Creator, that came with
your computer or CD drive.

[Benjamin Maas]

Do you remember how you put the CD in? When I left ESM, they had just begun
to standardize on HHB burners, except they were the really old ones (OEM'd
by Otari with the CD that went in upside down). If you talk to the folks in
the recording department, they should be able to tell you what kind of
burner is there.

Where are you now? Finding the same burner will likely be your biggest
issue and if you aren't in a big city, that may be a problem.

--Ben

--
Benjamin Maas
Fifth Circle Audio
Los Angeles, CA

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"d" wrote in message ...
> Hello everyone-
>
> There is a question that I was hoping someone could help me with. I
> did a classical guitar graduate student recital at the Eastman School
> of Music about 3 years ago. I didn't know how to operate the cd
> recorder in the room (ciminelli hall for any Eastman grads). Thus, now
> when I pop in the cd to try to listen to it, my cd player just says
> "disk not finalized."
>
> Thus sucks. I had never played Koyunbaba better. Is there anything I
> can do? Or am I just out of luck? Thank you for your considerations,
>
> -dave
>

[d]

Ben,

I am now in Austin TX. There are a couple mastering engineers that I
could go to. I just got off the phone with an engineer at Eastman, and
he said the specific type was HHB CDR-800. Definitly, I am gonna have
troubles finding this cd burner mostly because it is old.

Thanks for your reply... hopefully that recording is still
salavagable...

-d

[d]

I will do this. With luck I'll get the info off the cd without having
to resort finalizing. THank you for your help,

-d

[David Satz]

dave, fortunately this is not really such a difficult problem, and
there is very little risk of losing your existing recorded material.
The so-called "pre-TOC" (table of contents) which various CD recorders
use is standardized, and nearly any recorder which can read the
unfinalized disc can eventually finalize it for you.

If you use Windows, I warmly recommend the "IsoBuster" utility which
someone else suggested. I've used it to solve exactly the problem
you're describing, as well as a worse problem in which even the same
recorder which had recorded four discs suddenly saw them as "blank" and
wouldn't finalize them. However, most other disc recording software
will let you finalize a CD as a discrete operation.

--best regards

[Benjamin Maas]

If you have troubles with this on your end, drop me a line... We have the
Otari version of this recorder at one of my workplaces... I still need to
test it to make sure everything is working (and to see why it was set
aside), but assuming it does work, I'd be happy to help a fellow ESM grad.
There is a pretty good chance that I could at least get it to the point
where I could make you a new disc that does work.

--Ben

--
Benjamin Maas
Fifth Circle Audio
Los Angeles, CA

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"d" wrote in message..
> Ben,
>
> I am now in Austin TX. There are a couple mastering engineers that I
> could go to. I just got off the phone with an engineer at Eastman, and
> he said the specific type was HHB CDR-800. Definitly, I am gonna have
> troubles finding this cd burner mostly because it is old.
>
> Thanks for your reply... hopefully that recording is still
> salavagable...
>
> -d
>

[Scott Dorsey]

Benjamin Maas > wrote:
>Do you remember how you put the CD in? When I left ESM, they had just begun
>to standardize on HHB burners, except they were the really old ones (OEM'd
>by Otari with the CD that went in upside down). If you talk to the folks in
>the recording department, they should be able to tell you what kind of
>burner is there.
>
>Where are you now? Finding the same burner will likely be your biggest
>issue and if you aren't in a big city, that may be a problem.

If it is indeed an HHB 800, I'll be happy to finalize it for the original
poster.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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d wrote:
> Hello everyone-
>
> There is a question that I was hoping someone could help me with. I
> did a classical guitar graduate student recital at the Eastman School
> of Music about 3 years ago. I didn't know how to operate the cd
> recorder in the room (ciminelli hall for any Eastman grads). Thus, now
> when I pop in the cd to try to listen to it, my cd player just says
> "disk not finalized."
>
> Thus sucks. I had never played Koyunbaba better. Is there anything I
> can do? Or am I just out of luck? Thank you for your considerations,
>
> -dave

If this was recorded on one of the cd recorders that uses the Philips
or HHB system , you will be able to put te cd in one of those machines
and play it. if the CD does this, then merely finalize it in that
machine.

I have done this on my HHB for people that forgot to finalize.

Richard H. Kuschel

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"d" > writes:

....

> Thus sucks. I had never played Koyunbaba better. Is there anything
> I can do? Or am I just out of luck? Thank you for your
> considerations,

CDRECORD can finalize a CD-R after the event, but I'd prefer to copy it
off and burn another, not touching the original.

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