Arghh! Ebay auctions/ship to US only

[Rob Reedijk]

What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.

Rob R.

[Danny T]

No, the trouble is that out of country stuff is a major hassle.
Canadians don’t seem to be the offenders but South American and
Europeans all seem to want to break some kind of import law or
something. Plus, the shipping is really high so often times someone
will win the bid and then never pay at all.

All of this just happened to me and is progress right now and I am
actually not going to allow anything but US sales either anymore. … I
might let Canada sales – they seem a little more civilized up
there☺
Rob Reedijk wrote:
> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
> Rob R.

[animix]

Every time I ship something overseas I am requested to falsify the value,
which means that the item can't be insured for the full value and then if
it's damaged or lost there is the possibility of a total cluster**** with
either EBay, US Customs or the buyer. I'd just rather less in the US than
deal with the potential headaches. When I have auction something for
worldwide delivery , I have specify that I will not falsify the value and I
*still* get requests to do it.........so I just don't go there.


"Danny T" > wrote in message
oups.com...
No, the trouble is that out of country stuff is a major hassle.
Canadians don't seem to be the offenders but South American and
Europeans all seem to want to break some kind of import law or
something. Plus, the shipping is really high so often times someone
will win the bid and then never pay at all.

All of this just happened to me and is progress right now and I am
actually not going to allow anything but US sales either anymore. . I
might let Canada sales - they seem a little more civilized up
there?
Rob Reedijk wrote:
> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
> Rob R.

[GregS]

In article >, "animix" > wrote:
>Every time I ship something overseas I am requested to falsify the value,
>which means that the item can't be insured for the full value and then if
>it's damaged or lost there is the possibility of a total cluster**** with
>either EBay, US Customs or the buyer. I'd just rather less in the US than
>deal with the potential headaches. When I have auction something for
>worldwide delivery , I have specify that I will not falsify the value and I
>*still* get requests to do it.........so I just don't go there.
>
>
>"Danny T" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>No, the trouble is that out of country stuff is a major hassle.
>Canadians don't seem to be the offenders but South American and
>Europeans all seem to want to break some kind of import law or
>something. Plus, the shipping is really high so often times someone
>will win the bid and then never pay at all.
>
>All of this just happened to me and is progress right now and I am
>actually not going to allow anything but US sales either anymore. . I
>might let Canada sales - they seem a little more civilized up
>there?
>Rob Reedijk wrote:
>> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
>> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
>> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.

I shipped something to Canada, and a year later FedEx said to pay them $35 or
else loose my FedEx rights. Somebody didn't pay some fee up there in Canada.

greg

[Agent_C]

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:12:00 +0000 (UTC), Rob Reedijk
> wrote:

>What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
>Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
>a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.

Canadian buyers are a royal pain in the ass, plain and simple. They
always want you to falsify customs declarations and bitch and moan
about the shipping.

Another factor is that PayPal confirms very few addresses in Canada,
so if the sale goes south, you can easily get burned.

Who needs the aggravation when in most cases, you can sell it to a
domestic buyer...

A_C

[[email protected]]

Too true. The Americans do this all the time HOWEVER simply ask if
they will, and CLEARLY state that you will cover the extra shipping,
taxes/duty (GST most of the time), and customs charges the Yanks will
ship to us. I understand that using FedEx is an easy way for the
Americans to get burned for FedEx takes 30 days to charge for the
customs brokerage fee ($30 - $60) and if the Canadian is of poor moxy,
he can force FedEx to get the money from the shipper. Simple solution
is to educate both the buyer and seller. Buyer = ask first, and
live-up to you paying the GST, shipping, duties, etc... Seller = watch
the E-Bay points system if they have lots, most likely they can be
trusted, do not use FedEx, UPS costs Canadians an EXTRA $60 for
brokerage fees but charges the receiver upon delivery.
ALWAYS be careful, but communicate.
regards,
warren

[malachi]

"Rob Reedijk" > wrote in message
...
> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
> Rob R.

The one time I sold to a Canadian buyer, I stated the correct value of the
item on the customs form and shipped the gear.

Lo and behold, I get a negative feedback from the guy. Why?

Not because the item was defective (it was perfect, not a scratch).

Not because the item was not as described (Abraham Lincoln would have
blushed at my honesty in the description.)

Not because I took my time shipping (it went out the next day).

He complained because he had to pay an import duty commensurate with the
value (the HONEST value) I disclosed on the customs form.

Like it was somehow my fault that his country charged him an import duty.
Like it's a SHOCK that Canada taxes the living crap out of its good
citizens. Yeah, it was all my fault. But hell, I'm an American, so I guess
it's all automatically my fault anyway, right?

My one consolation was that the item was an AKG C1000s.

I hope the ******* is enjoying his atrocious sounding microphone.

malachi

[Geoff]

Danny T wrote:
> No, the trouble is that out of country stuff is a major hassle.
> Canadians don't seem to be the offenders but South American and
> Europeans all seem to want to break some kind of import law or
> something. Plus, the shipping is really high so often times someone
> will win the bid and then never pay at all.
>
> All of this just happened to me and is progress right now and I am
> actually not going to allow anything but US sales either anymore. . I
> might let Canada sales - they seem a little more civilized up
> there?
> Rob Reedijk wrote:
>> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to
>> ship to Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning
>> you get
>> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.


No, the only extra difficulty for the sender should be about ten words on a
customs sticker.

The main reason USA-Only is specified is that it is the default choice. I
alway ask, and have rarely been declined.

One very stupid Canadian retailer wouldn't send to me in New Zealand because
of some vague "international credit card fraud danger", despite may
consignment address being the same as the consignment address, and my
subsequent offer to pay by bank transfer or CASH !

Doh.

goeff

[Geoff]

animix wrote:
> Every time I ship something overseas I am requested to falsify the
> value, which means that the item can't be insured for the full value
> and then if it's damaged or lost there is the possibility of a total
> cluster**** with either EBay, US Customs or the buyer. I'd just
> rather less in the US than deal with the potential headaches. When I
> have auction something for worldwide delivery , I have specify that I
> will not falsify the value and I *still* get requests to do
> it.........so I just don't go there.


Just say no.

geoff

[Danny T]

Geoff wrote:
> Danny T wrote:
> > No, the trouble is that out of country stuff is a major hassle.
> > Canadians don't seem to be the offenders but South American and
> > Europeans all seem to want to break some kind of import law or
> > something. Plus, the shipping is really high so often times someone
> > will win the bid and then never pay at all.
> >
> > All of this just happened to me and is progress right now and I am
> > actually not going to allow anything but US sales either anymore. . I
> > might let Canada sales - they seem a little more civilized up
> > there?
> > Rob Reedijk wrote:
> >> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to
> >> ship to Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning
> >> you get
> >> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
>
> No, the only extra difficulty for the sender should be about ten words on a
> customs sticker.
>
> The main reason USA-Only is specified is that it is the default choice. I
> alway ask, and have rarely been declined.
>
> One very stupid Canadian retailer wouldn't send to me in New Zealand because
> of some vague "international credit card fraud danger", despite may
> consignment address being the same as the consignment address, and my
> subsequent offer to pay by bank transfer or CASH !
>
> Doh.
>
> goeff

My last auction was international. A guy in France wins and says he
wants to pay right way but he will pay for shipping later on account
that the extra price will be included with his customs charges. He
tells me he's good for it. I tell him no thanks. He's now been skirting
around for 3 days telling me my paypal won't take his money. I've been
on the phone with paypal and the only thing that won't work is that he
won't pay in US funds like the auction said. He wants to stick me with
a few more fees.

I am USA only now. IT's just too much work and no it ain't just 10
words on a box!

[Getting Older and Grumpier Gear Minion]

Rob Reedijk wrote:
> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
> Rob R.

I must be one of the fortunate ones, bought and sold to a variety of
countries, none of the buyers ask me to falsify values.
I've always made my terms clear in the listing to contact me first
before bidding if non US. I've had to cancel bids of the non
cooperative
ones, but haven't been burned-yet. Communication seems to be a key
factor, if they don't want to pay, don't let them bid.
I might suggest giving a US seller a deposit in excess of the
value of the item to be refunded when it is recieved in Canada.
This might facilitate more commerce. I've always used the postal
service,
not FedEx or UPS to ship international without problems.
I'm sure it's tough to generate good faith with a seller that's been
toasted in an auction.
My one bad selling experience was with a bidder (US) that could
not understand the meaning of no Credit Card payments.
He then tried to cancel the sale when I refused his credit card.
After many emails and Ebay's protocols, relisted the item and gave
him negative feedback.
BTW, the deposit suggestion, like an escrow, is only a token amount,
through paypal,, so as to not be compared to the cashier check
fraud schemes you read about that are high dollar values.

[Federico]

I live in Italy.
I bought 51 items from other countries.
I never had problems.
My eBay feedback is 100% positive.

Do you ever read your buyer feedbacks? That's what feedback is there for.
F.

[Eeyore]

Rob Reedijk wrote:

> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.

Most Americans can't even conceive of a place outisde their borders. Why would
they give a damn ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Agent_C wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:12:00 +0000 (UTC), Rob Reedijk
> > wrote:
>
> >What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> >Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> >a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
> Canadian buyers are a royal pain in the ass

Let's face it.

You hate foreigners - right ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Federico wrote:

> I live in Italy.
> I bought 51 items from other countries.
> I never had problems.
> My eBay feedback is 100% positive.
>
> Do you ever read your buyer feedbacks? That's what feedback is there for.

Exactly.

My own ebay feedback is 100%.

Graahm

[Agent_C]

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:44:51 +0100, Eeyore
> wrote:

>Let's face it.
>
>You hate foreigners - right ?

Let's face it; you're a simpleton, right?

A_C

[Danny T]

Federico wrote:
> I live in Italy.
> I bought 51 items from other countries.
> I never had problems.
> My eBay feedback is 100% positive.
>
> Do you ever read your buyer feedbacks? That's what feedback is there for.
> F.

Yeah, but you're not french! The problem is that if I let you buy, I
have to let the french buy!

[Danny T]

Eeyore wrote:
> Rob Reedijk wrote:
>
> > What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> > Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> > a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
> Most Americans can't even conceive of a place outisde their borders. Why would
> they give a damn ?
>
> Graham

BITE ME

[Danny T]

Eeyore wrote:
> Agent_C wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:12:00 +0000 (UTC), Rob Reedijk
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> > >Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> > >a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
> >
> > Canadian buyers are a royal pain in the ass
>
> Let's face it.
>
> You hate foreigners - right ?
>
> Graham

Not me - unlsee you're a french foreigner. I've been ripped off by too
many french people to not think its part of their culture

[Richard Crowley]

"Rob Reedijk" wrote ...
> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to
> ship to
> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.

There was a discussion of this very topic in the last several
days over on news:rec.radio.amateur.equipment

[Richard Crowley]

"Eeyore" wrote ...
> Let's face it.
> You hate foreigners - right ?

Try reading the whole thread before replying.
(Just giving you the benefit of the doubt that you
aren't *trying* to look stupid online.)

[Dr. Dolittle]

Danny T wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
>
>>Rob Reedijk wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
>>>Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
>>>a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>>
>>Most Americans can't even conceive of a place outisde their borders. Why would
>>they give a damn ?
>>
>>Graham
>
>
> BITE ME


Graham, you cracker...

Congratulations, you have earned true troll status. You must be very proud.

[animix]

I still ship overseas occasionally, but only to someone I know.

"GregS" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
"animix" > wrote:
> >Every time I ship something overseas I am requested to falsify the value,
> >which means that the item can't be insured for the full value and then if
> >it's damaged or lost there is the possibility of a total cluster**** with
> >either EBay, US Customs or the buyer. I'd just rather less in the US than
> >deal with the potential headaches. When I have auction something for
> >worldwide delivery , I have specify that I will not falsify the value and
I
> >*still* get requests to do it.........so I just don't go there.
> >
> >
> >"Danny T" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >No, the trouble is that out of country stuff is a major hassle.
> >Canadians don't seem to be the offenders but South American and
> >Europeans all seem to want to break some kind of import law or
> >something. Plus, the shipping is really high so often times someone
> >will win the bid and then never pay at all.
> >
> >All of this just happened to me and is progress right now and I am
> >actually not going to allow anything but US sales either anymore. . I
> >might let Canada sales - they seem a little more civilized up
> >there?
> >Rob Reedijk wrote:
> >> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship
to
> >> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> >> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
> I shipped something to Canada, and a year later FedEx said to pay them $35
or
> else loose my FedEx rights. Somebody didn't pay some fee up there in
Canada.
>
> greg

[Rob Reedijk]

Richard Crowley > wrote:
> "Rob Reedijk" wrote ...
>> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to
>> ship to
>> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
>> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.

> There was a discussion of this very topic in the last several
> days over on news:rec.radio.amateur.equipment

Thanks, I will have a look.

A few follow-up points.

A few people have had trouble selling to outside of the US. And you have
the right to be unhappy about unreasonable requests like falsefying
values for importing and so on. But let's be clear about something---I
know that there are lots of these transactions within the US where
there are other problems involving bad sellers and buyers. It's not
because they are Canadian (or other) that makes them bad for dealing with,
it's just that they are just bad people. If they had lived in the US,
they would have burned you there too.

Transactions are easy across the border. I have offered to handle the
shipping myself on my own shipping account---at which point the transaction
is virtually identical, all you do is use the international form instead.
And since it is on my account, it's actually easier than dealing with a
fellow American.

Once again, auctions are succesful when there is higher demand. When you
exclude half your market your price goes does down. The items that I
wanted to bid on but couldn't, actually sold very low compared to the
auctions for the same items that were open to everyone. The fact is,
the US dollar is very weak right now. If you can understand that means
that your international customers have more buying power in the US, that
means more money for you. More money. Good. More money=good. Less
money=bad. Free enterprise---the American Way.

Just put into your auctions, international buyers must first contact the
seller. You can stipulate that they must handle the shipping on their
own UPS or Fedex account or whatever.

Rob R.

[Danny T]

Rob Reedijk wrote:
>
> A few people have had trouble selling to outside of the US. And you have
> the right to be unhappy about unreasonable requests like falsefying
> values for importing and so on. But let's be clear about something---I
> know that there are lots of these transactions within the US where
> there are other problems involving bad sellers and buyers. It's not
> because they are Canadian (or other) that makes them bad for dealing with,
> it's just that they are just bad people. If they had lived in the US,
> they would have burned you there too.
>
> Transactions are easy across the border. I have offered to handle the
> shipping myself on my own shipping account---at which point the transaction
> is virtually identical, all you do is use the international form instead.
> And since it is on my account, it's actually easier than dealing with a
> fellow American.
>
> Once again, auctions are succesful when there is higher demand. When you
> exclude half your market your price goes does down. The items that I
> wanted to bid on but couldn't, actually sold very low compared to the
> auctions for the same items that were open to everyone. The fact is,
> the US dollar is very weak right now. If you can understand that means
> that your international customers have more buying power in the US, that
> means more money for you. More money. Good. More money=good. Less
> money=bad. Free enterprise---the American Way.
>
> Just put into your auctions, international buyers must first contact the
> seller. You can stipulate that they must handle the shipping on their
> own UPS or Fedex account or whatever.
>
> Rob R.

I started putting my auctions on international for the reason of a
bigger market. The problems are much worse with international auctions.
This morning when my last international auction dispute was resolved.
My auciton clearly stated that funds were to be paid in USD but the
french guy wanted first for me to fake the price, second to trust him
for shipping costs to be paid later, third, to take the neck of the
guitar and ship 2 parts so customs would charge less and last, would
not pay in USD becuase he said it would cost him 10 more and I should
eat that cost.

No thanks to overseas transactions.

[Pat]

In article . com>,
"Danny T" > wrote:

> I started putting my auctions on international for the
> reason of a bigger market. The problems are much worse
> with international auctions...
>
> No thanks to overseas transactions.

Some ebayers won't even ship to Hawaii or Alaska. I suppose technically
those locations are overseas too.

Selling outside the USA doesn't mean you'll sell to anybody anywhere.
Have you considered making auctions available to residents of Canada and
possibly the UK/Australia?

[Eeyore]

"Dr. Dolittle" wrote:

> Danny T wrote:
> > Eeyore wrote:
> >
> >>Rob Reedijk wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to ship to
> >>>Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> >>>a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
> >>
> >>Most Americans can't even conceive of a place outisde their borders. Why would
> >>they give a damn ?
> >>
> >>Graham
> >
> >
> > BITE ME
>
> Graham, you cracker...
>
> Congratulations, you have earned true troll status. You must be very proud.

Not *all* Americams are that dumb of course.

I'll bet you even know the difference between England, Britain, Great Britain and
the UK !

Graham

[Danny T]

Pat wrote:
> In article . com>,
> "Danny T" > wrote:
>
> > I started putting my auctions on international for the
> > reason of a bigger market. The problems are much worse
> > with international auctions...
> >
> > No thanks to overseas transactions.
>
> Some ebayers won't even ship to Hawaii or Alaska. I suppose technically
> those locations are overseas too.

no- on that the cost is much much higher and if you see a one rate
shipping, that's where you usually see the no hawaii or alaska
>
> Selling outside the USA doesn't mean you'll sell to anybody anywhere.
> Have you considered making auctions available to residents of Canada and
> possibly the UK/Australia?

Actaully, with me, I would sell to canada without worry but something
shipped there can be a stinking ton of money. I was going to ship a
guitar there and it would have been something like $85. That just isn't
worth it for anyone so why bother.

[trans32]

wrote:
> Too true. The Americans do this all the time HOWEVER simply ask if
> they will, and CLEARLY state that you will cover the extra shipping,
> taxes/duty (GST most of the time), and customs charges the Yanks will
> ship to us. I understand that using FedEx is an easy way for the
> Americans to get burned for FedEx takes 30 days to charge for the
> customs brokerage fee ($30 - $60) and if the Canadian is of poor moxy,
> he can force FedEx to get the money from the shipper. Simple solution
> is to educate both the buyer and seller. Buyer = ask first, and
> live-up to you paying the GST, shipping, duties, etc... Seller = watch
> the E-Bay points system if they have lots, most likely they can be
> trusted, do not use FedEx, UPS costs Canadians an EXTRA $60 for
> brokerage fees but charges the receiver upon delivery.
> ALWAYS be careful, but communicate.
> regards,
> warren

UPS charges any consignee a brokerage charge if the package comes from
another country, and has a declared value of over $15. Except in the
states apparently.

I live in Canada (although am American) and several years ago had a
ebay'er from North Carolina purchase a crossover from me. Upon receipt,
he left negative feedback, stating that that item sold was
misrepresented because *I* did not inform him that he would have to pay
import charges, and that I should have reduced the price he paid.

How the hell a 'foreigner' would know the duty process of another
country better than the one living in it, I'll never know. Morons are
everywhere...

Trans

[Matthias]

Hi Americans,

since I am doing quite a bit of trading with the US (and I am from
Germany), I'd like to drop in here and give my 2 cents to the discussion.

At the moment it is true, that beacause of the weak US$ it is very
interesting for Europeans to buy in the US.

And, beside that fact, there are still products you don't even have
acces to in Europe since they were not made for the rest of the world
but for the US. Or they are very high priced in our region due to the
fact, that they have to be imported first. It's like buying a Mercedes
in the US : it is much cheaper over here than in your country.

So, I really don't like to hear the words : "ships only within the
continental US" or such.

Usually, from the US one can easily send with USPS (air or, for larger
items, slow boat). This has been reliable. Slow boat, I would only
recommend if you have something bigger since (very) small parcels trend
to get lost.

From Canda, Canadapost is the way to go.

Both of these are not really cheap if sending stuff overseas. But
they're at least less expensive than UPS or Fedex.

I do payment by either paypal or wire transfer. I have set up my
accounts in a way, that gives me the ability to do this.

If the item is well packaged and the seller has normal trading in mind
(i.e. not fooling the buyer), there's absolutely no problem to ship
overseas. The only additional effort you have is for filling out the
customs paper.

I can understand (German) people if they want you to give a lower value
in customs declaration since there are 16% added when importing i.e.
recording equipment to Germany. Actually, German customs adds these 16%
also to transportation cost (which is not correct in my opinion) !! But
then they should be aware that insurance is for only that value - and,
actually, I don't know if I would do that. Having asked US sellers in
the past to do that, I am now within the law and the value will be
assinged it's real amount.

People from Europe should calculate everything before they bid on an
item. The transportation cost, custums that could be charged and
everything that might increase the amount of money they spent for just
winning an auction or for buying from others. If, after such a
calculation, the item is still less expensive than buying it over here
(or if it is simply not available in the buyers country), then it makes
sense to buy overseas.

The sellers could help people from overseas with a couple of simple
sentences like recently seen in an auction (if someone needs a German
translation to add to his auctions, just drop me a note):

---------------------------------------------------------------------

The following is the terms of sale for International Bidders (Non US &
Canada bidders):

1) All international bidders must email us to get the permission to bid
and the shipping cost before bidding.

2) The payment term for international bidders is wire transfer only. No
other payment is accepted. (I'd like to see paypal added here)

3) All international sales will be treated as a "AS-IS" Sale. No refund
or exchange.

4) International Bidders must pay their countries custom fee if there is
duty fee, etc.

5) Refunds to damaged or lost package will be issued only after the
insurance claim has been successfully approved by shipping company.

6) If you don't agree with the above terms, please don't bid on our
auctions.

Thanks for your understanding.

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I think this should be the way to go : help each others

Actually, I had some communication with a Canadian seller who didn't
want to ship his goods to Europe. First he sid it's because of the high
transportation cost. When I told him, that I will eat that, he said,
that they simply don't want to ship to overseas (for whatever reason).

Please, Americans & Canadians, understand us - since there are items
that we like to have, but that are not imported by any company into our
country, let's communicate and try to find a way to do it anyway.

This might help you (by getting a higher value for your goods) and it
helps us (by getting a device, that we probably could not afford due to
the high costs in our own country or even withing the European Union, or
that is not available over here).

Thanks for taking the time to read that.

With the hope of further easy trading with Americans & Canadians

Matthias

[Lorin David Schultz]

Danny T > wrote:
>
> I am USA only now. IT's just too much work and no it ain't just 10
> words on a box!


It is if it's going to Canada.

You need to make a distinction between shipping something overseas and
just mailing it to Canada. From the USA, mailing a package to Canada is
a no-brainer. It really *is* just a few words on a sticker provided by
the post office -- what is it, and how much did the buyer pay for it?
The End.

PayPal gives you same protection with Canadian buyers as you get with
Americans, and there's no way for charges to come back on you if you use
the mail. Except for the one or two word description and value, there's
no difference between a sale to Canada and a sale to the USA.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

[Lorin David Schultz]

Agent_C > wrote:
>
> Canadian buyers are a royal pain in the ass, plain and simple.

Gee, but they speak so highly of you...

You don't think that's a pretty gross generalization, huh? You've
obviously never sold anything to me, or any of the dozen or so people I
work with who regularly buy items from the USA with no unreasonable
expectations or hassles.



> They always want you to falsify customs declarations

Some may *ask* (I don't, but I know some people do), but that doesn't
mean you have to. Just decline. What's the big deal?

I actually have more trouble with sellers going the OTHER way --
OVER-declaring the value, which results in me having to pay extra taxes.
I guess they're hoping for a big payoff if the package gets lost. I
can't imagine any other reason for doing that.



> and bitch and moan about the shipping.

Now here's where things get sticky... lots of American sellers assume
mailing to Canada is going to be a hassle, so they inflate their
shipping rates in anticipation of an inconvenience that doesn't actually
exist. I can give you three recent examples of cases where I've paid in
excess of $20 shipping, only to find $3 postage on the box when it
arrives.

That doesn't happen with people/companies that sell to Canadians
regularly, but is typical with casual eBay sellers.

So, when quoted $20 to ship a computer keyboard, it's reasonable for the
buyer to ask "are you sure about that figure?"



> Another factor is that PayPal confirms very few addresses in
> Canada, so if the sale goes south, you can easily get burned.

I think your concern is based on old policies that changed two years
ago. Read the information on PayPal's site and I think you'll find that
as far as PayPal is concerned, selling to a Canadian is no different
than selling to an American. Banking is a cross-border sport now, and
PayPal is hip to that.

Remember the Stanley Cup playoffs in Carolina? Played at the RBC
Center? RBC stands for "Royal Bank of Canada."



> Who needs the aggravation when in most cases, you can sell it to a
> domestic buyer...

Makes sense, except for two things:

1. Since there are no *actual* hassles involved, the only "aggravation"
is having to say no if asked to falsify the value, and having to be to
be honest about shipping rates. I respect your right to do whatever you
choose, but honestly, that doesn't strike me as being much of an
"aggravation."

2. You're disqualifying 35 million potential buyers. Personally I want
MORE interested buyers, not fewer. Especially in an auction situation
where interest drives up the price.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

[Danny T]

Lorin David Schultz wrote:
> Agent_C > wrote:
> >
> > Canadian buyers are a royal pain in the ass, plain and simple.
>
> Gee, but they speak so highly of you...
>
> You don't think that's a pretty gross generalization, huh? You've
> obviously never sold anything to me, or any of the dozen or so people I
> work with who regularly buy items from the USA with no unreasonable
> expectations or hassles.
>
>
>
> > They always want you to falsify customs declarations
>
> Some may *ask* (I don't, but I know some people do), but that doesn't
> mean you have to. Just decline. What's the big deal?
>
> I actually have more trouble with sellers going the OTHER way --
> OVER-declaring the value, which results in me having to pay extra taxes.
> I guess they're hoping for a big payoff if the package gets lost. I
> can't imagine any other reason for doing that.
>
>
>
> > and bitch and moan about the shipping.
>
> Now here's where things get sticky... lots of American sellers assume
> mailing to Canada is going to be a hassle, so they inflate their
> shipping rates in anticipation of an inconvenience that doesn't actually
> exist. I can give you three recent examples of cases where I've paid in
> excess of $20 shipping, only to find $3 postage on the box when it
> arrives.
>
> That doesn't happen with people/companies that sell to Canadians
> regularly, but is typical with casual eBay sellers.
>
> So, when quoted $20 to ship a computer keyboard, it's reasonable for the
> buyer to ask "are you sure about that figure?"
>
>
>
> > Another factor is that PayPal confirms very few addresses in
> > Canada, so if the sale goes south, you can easily get burned.
>
> I think your concern is based on old policies that changed two years
> ago. Read the information on PayPal's site and I think you'll find that
> as far as PayPal is concerned, selling to a Canadian is no different
> than selling to an American. Banking is a cross-border sport now, and
> PayPal is hip to that.
>
> Remember the Stanley Cup playoffs in Carolina? Played at the RBC
> Center? RBC stands for "Royal Bank of Canada."
>
>
>
> > Who needs the aggravation when in most cases, you can sell it to a
> > domestic buyer...
>
> Makes sense, except for two things:
>
> 1. Since there are no *actual* hassles involved, the only "aggravation"
> is having to say no if asked to falsify the value, and having to be to
> be honest about shipping rates. I respect your right to do whatever you
> choose, but honestly, that doesn't strike me as being much of an
> "aggravation."
>
> 2. You're disqualifying 35 million potential buyers. Personally I want
> MORE interested buyers, not fewer. Especially in an auction situation
> where interest drives up the price.
>
> --
> "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
> - Lorin David Schultz
> in the control room
> making even bad news sound good
>
> (Remove spamblock to reply)

You know the reality is this- I thought I was done with overseas ebay
but I had 2 more things in that would let foreigners buy. The last
guitar sold last weekend. The French guy bugged out on me because he
refused to pay in USD as stated and by doing so he would have to pay 10
extra bucks or something like that. I just had one close yesterday with
a Canadian who bought it. They already cried about the shipping. I sold
this dirt cheap to start with and they are crying because I want to
ship it for the cost it costs me. Its 18 pounds and will cost me 32
bucks and I finally just said to pay 24 to be done with the whining.
Then they let me know that they want to pay in Canadian. EXCUSE ME!
The auction states in BOLD CAPS in a font bigger then the rest that I
get paid in USD. I got an email telling me they paid me in USD over 8
hours ago now and what-da-ya know they want me to ship to the address
in the email as soon as I can. There's still no money showing in my
paypal. What a crock of crap. Do they really think I'm that stupid?
Last week someone wanted to send me a money order for more then 2x the
amount and said they would buy it if I would use the money order and
send back the change. Sorry hoser.

Sorry but you folks up north have a high population of serious asswipes
that non of us want to deal with. Maybe you and your friends are great
but there are more whining weenies up north that take up more of my
time than anywhere else but France. The result is the good guys lose
out because of the crappy ones.

[Geoff]

Danny T wrote:
>
> You know the reality is this- I thought I was done with overseas ebay
> but I had 2 more things in that would let foreigners buy. The last
> guitar sold last weekend. The French guy bugged out on me because he
> refused to pay in USD as stated and by doing so he would have to pay
> 10 extra bucks or something like that. I just had one close yesterday
> with a Canadian who bought it. They already cried about the shipping.
> I sold this dirt cheap to start with and they are crying because I
> want to ship it for the cost it costs me. Its 18 pounds and will cost
> me 32 bucks and I finally just said to pay 24 to be done with the
> whining. Then they let me know that they want to pay in Canadian.
> EXCUSE ME! The auction states in BOLD CAPS in a font bigger then the


They pay by PayPal. They get charged in whatever current they deal to
PayPal, and PayPal credits you the amount settled on, in the currency the
auction was in. What can't they understand about that ?

geoff

[Getting Older and Grumpier Gear Minion]

Danny T wrote:
> Lorin David Schultz wrote:
> > Agent_C > wrote:
> > >
> > > Canadian buyers are a royal pain in the ass, plain and simple.
> >
> > Gee, but they speak so highly of you...
> >
> > You don't think that's a pretty gross generalization, huh? You've
> > obviously never sold anything to me, or any of the dozen or so people I
> > work with who regularly buy items from the USA with no unreasonable
> > expectations or hassles.
> >
> >
> >
> > > They always want you to falsify customs declarations
> >
> > Some may *ask* (I don't, but I know some people do), but that doesn't
> > mean you have to. Just decline. What's the big deal?
> >
> > I actually have more trouble with sellers going the OTHER way --
> > OVER-declaring the value, which results in me having to pay extra taxes.
> > I guess they're hoping for a big payoff if the package gets lost. I
> > can't imagine any other reason for doing that.
> >
> >
> >
> > > and bitch and moan about the shipping.
> >
> > Now here's where things get sticky... lots of American sellers assume
> > mailing to Canada is going to be a hassle, so they inflate their
> > shipping rates in anticipation of an inconvenience that doesn't actually
> > exist. I can give you three recent examples of cases where I've paid in
> > excess of $20 shipping, only to find $3 postage on the box when it
> > arrives.
> >
> > That doesn't happen with people/companies that sell to Canadians
> > regularly, but is typical with casual eBay sellers.
> >
> > So, when quoted $20 to ship a computer keyboard, it's reasonable for the
> > buyer to ask "are you sure about that figure?"
> >
> >
> >
> > > Another factor is that PayPal confirms very few addresses in
> > > Canada, so if the sale goes south, you can easily get burned.
> >
> > I think your concern is based on old policies that changed two years
> > ago. Read the information on PayPal's site and I think you'll find that
> > as far as PayPal is concerned, selling to a Canadian is no different
> > than selling to an American. Banking is a cross-border sport now, and
> > PayPal is hip to that.
> >
> > Remember the Stanley Cup playoffs in Carolina? Played at the RBC
> > Center? RBC stands for "Royal Bank of Canada."
> >
> >
> >
> > > Who needs the aggravation when in most cases, you can sell it to a
> > > domestic buyer...
> >
> > Makes sense, except for two things:
> >
> > 1. Since there are no *actual* hassles involved, the only "aggravation"
> > is having to say no if asked to falsify the value, and having to be to
> > be honest about shipping rates. I respect your right to do whatever you
> > choose, but honestly, that doesn't strike me as being much of an
> > "aggravation."
> >
> > 2. You're disqualifying 35 million potential buyers. Personally I want
> > MORE interested buyers, not fewer. Especially in an auction situation
> > where interest drives up the price.
> >
> > --
> > "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
> > - Lorin David Schultz
> > in the control room
> > making even bad news sound good
> >
> > (Remove spamblock to reply)
>
> You know the reality is this- I thought I was done with overseas ebay
> but I had 2 more things in that would let foreigners buy. The last
> guitar sold last weekend. The French guy bugged out on me because he
> refused to pay in USD as stated and by doing so he would have to pay 10
> extra bucks or something like that. I just had one close yesterday with
> a Canadian who bought it. They already cried about the shipping. I sold
> this dirt cheap to start with and they are crying because I want to
> ship it for the cost it costs me. Its 18 pounds and will cost me 32
> bucks and I finally just said to pay 24 to be done with the whining.
> Then they let me know that they want to pay in Canadian. EXCUSE ME!
> The auction states in BOLD CAPS in a font bigger then the rest that I
> get paid in USD. I got an email telling me they paid me in USD over 8
> hours ago now and what-da-ya know they want me to ship to the address
> in the email as soon as I can. There's still no money showing in my
> paypal. What a crock of crap. Do they really think I'm that stupid?
> Last week someone wanted to send me a money order for more then 2x the
> amount and said they would buy it if I would use the money order and
> send back the change. Sorry hoser.
>
> Sorry but you folks up north have a high population of serious asswipes
> that non of us want to deal with. Maybe you and your friends are great
> but there are more whining weenies up north that take up more of my
> time than anywhere else but France. The result is the good guys lose
> out because of the crappy ones.

What kind of feedback ratings do these bidders have?
I would think that sort of behavior would be reported to
the management, they want to keep the reputation
and community to high standards.
The only down side is any idiot with a keyboard and
a buyers account can cause you grief if you don't have
solid terms and good communication.
The tools are there to keep them from bidding if they are
way out of line.
My take is if they don't know what the basic costs are upfront,
want you to fudge figures to their advantage, they probably are
also willing to stiff you on the end of the auction.

[Danny T]

Geoff wrote:
> Danny T wrote:
> >
> > You know the reality is this- I thought I was done with overseas ebay
> > but I had 2 more things in that would let foreigners buy. The last
> > guitar sold last weekend. The French guy bugged out on me because he
> > refused to pay in USD as stated and by doing so he would have to pay
> > 10 extra bucks or something like that. I just had one close yesterday
> > with a Canadian who bought it. They already cried about the shipping.
> > I sold this dirt cheap to start with and they are crying because I
> > want to ship it for the cost it costs me. Its 18 pounds and will cost
> > me 32 bucks and I finally just said to pay 24 to be done with the
> > whining. Then they let me know that they want to pay in Canadian.
> > EXCUSE ME! The auction states in BOLD CAPS in a font bigger then the
>
>
> They pay by PayPal. They get charged in whatever current they deal to
> PayPal, and PayPal credits you the amount settled on, in the currency the
> auction was in. What can't they understand about that ?
>
> geoff

There is a charge attached to the conversion. If my account does it
then I pay the fee. They won't do it in their account or they have to
pay the fee. I run into this all the time and that is why I won't do
overseas anymore.

[Danny T]

> What kind of feedback ratings do these bidders have?
> I would think that sort of behavior would be reported to
> the management, they want to keep the reputation
> and community to high standards.

Well, funny you ask. Their usually good feedback people. They keep it
that way because of the fact that if I give negs, they will too. Who
wants that so bad people go unchecked. I wish I could slam these guys
but they will do the same to me and I would not be able to take it off
the record. I think there is a basic trouble that Ebay could fix with a
little effort. They need to redo the feedback.
> The only down side is any idiot with a keyboard and
> a buyers account can cause you grief if you don't have
> solid terms and good communication.
> The tools are there to keep them from bidding if they are
> way out of line.
> My take is if they don't know what the basic costs are upfront,
> want you to fudge figures to their advantage, they probably are
> also willing to stiff you on the end of the auction.

you got it.

[Rob Reedijk]

Lorin David Schultz > wrote:

> Remember the Stanley Cup playoffs in Carolina? Played at the RBC
> Center? RBC stands for "Royal Bank of Canada."

Sadly, no one remembers the playoffs in Carolina because they don't
really watch hockey down there except in some of the major cities
like Detroit, New York, Dallas, Boston, etc. Bet they don't know
what the "T" in TD Bank North stands for, as in where the Boston
Celtics and Bruins play.

Rob R.

[Rob Reedijk]

Danny T > wrote:

> Lorin David Schultz wrote:
>> Agent_C > wrote:
>> >
>> > Canadian buyers are a royal pain in the ass, plain and simple.
>>
>> Gee, but they speak so highly of you...
>>
>> You don't think that's a pretty gross generalization, huh? You've
>> obviously never sold anything to me, or any of the dozen or so people I
>> work with who regularly buy items from the USA with no unreasonable
>> expectations or hassles.
>>
>>
>>
>> > They always want you to falsify customs declarations
>>
>> Some may *ask* (I don't, but I know some people do), but that doesn't
>> mean you have to. Just decline. What's the big deal?
>>
>> I actually have more trouble with sellers going the OTHER way --
>> OVER-declaring the value, which results in me having to pay extra taxes.
>> I guess they're hoping for a big payoff if the package gets lost. I
>> can't imagine any other reason for doing that.
>>
>>
>>
>> > and bitch and moan about the shipping.
>>
>> Now here's where things get sticky... lots of American sellers assume
>> mailing to Canada is going to be a hassle, so they inflate their
>> shipping rates in anticipation of an inconvenience that doesn't actually
>> exist. I can give you three recent examples of cases where I've paid in
>> excess of $20 shipping, only to find $3 postage on the box when it
>> arrives.
>>
>> That doesn't happen with people/companies that sell to Canadians
>> regularly, but is typical with casual eBay sellers.
>>
>> So, when quoted $20 to ship a computer keyboard, it's reasonable for the
>> buyer to ask "are you sure about that figure?"
>>
>>
>>
>> > Another factor is that PayPal confirms very few addresses in
>> > Canada, so if the sale goes south, you can easily get burned.
>>
>> I think your concern is based on old policies that changed two years
>> ago. Read the information on PayPal's site and I think you'll find that
>> as far as PayPal is concerned, selling to a Canadian is no different
>> than selling to an American. Banking is a cross-border sport now, and
>> PayPal is hip to that.
>>
>> Remember the Stanley Cup playoffs in Carolina? Played at the RBC
>> Center? RBC stands for "Royal Bank of Canada."
>>
>>
>>
>> > Who needs the aggravation when in most cases, you can sell it to a
>> > domestic buyer...
>>
>> Makes sense, except for two things:
>>
>> 1. Since there are no *actual* hassles involved, the only "aggravation"
>> is having to say no if asked to falsify the value, and having to be to
>> be honest about shipping rates. I respect your right to do whatever you
>> choose, but honestly, that doesn't strike me as being much of an
>> "aggravation."
>>
>> 2. You're disqualifying 35 million potential buyers. Personally I want
>> MORE interested buyers, not fewer. Especially in an auction situation
>> where interest drives up the price.
>>
>> --
>> "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
>> - Lorin David Schultz
>> in the control room
>> making even bad news sound good
>>
>> (Remove spamblock to reply)

> You know the reality is this- I thought I was done with overseas ebay
> but I had 2 more things in that would let foreigners buy. The last
> guitar sold last weekend. The French guy bugged out on me because he
> refused to pay in USD as stated and by doing so he would have to pay 10
> extra bucks or something like that. I just had one close yesterday with
> a Canadian who bought it. They already cried about the shipping. I sold
> this dirt cheap to start with and they are crying because I want to
> ship it for the cost it costs me. Its 18 pounds and will cost me 32
> bucks and I finally just said to pay 24 to be done with the whining.
> Then they let me know that they want to pay in Canadian. EXCUSE ME!
> The auction states in BOLD CAPS in a font bigger then the rest that I
> get paid in USD. I got an email telling me they paid me in USD over 8
> hours ago now and what-da-ya know they want me to ship to the address
> in the email as soon as I can. There's still no money showing in my
> paypal. What a crock of crap. Do they really think I'm that stupid?
> Last week someone wanted to send me a money order for more then 2x the
> amount and said they would buy it if I would use the money order and
> send back the change. Sorry hoser.

> Sorry but you folks up north have a high population of serious asswipes
> that non of us want to deal with. Maybe you and your friends are great
> but there are more whining weenies up north that take up more of my
> time than anywhere else but France. The result is the good guys lose
> out because of the crappy ones.

Danny, once again your problem is not with Canadians or people from
France. Your problem is with unethical people. Bad transactions
happen in US to US sales all the time. Just because of your beliefs,
I don't assume all Americans are any more xenophobic than the rest of
the world.

Rob R.

[Richard Crowley]

"Rob Reedijk" wrote ...
> Danny, once again your problem is not with Canadians or people from
> France. Your problem is with unethical people. Bad transactions
> happen in US to US sales all the time. Just because of your beliefs,
> I don't assume all Americans are any more xenophobic than the rest of
> the world.

But the processes *available to us* make it much easier
to deal with domestic scoundrels than with international
ones. That is the entire point of this discussion.

[Lorin David Schultz]

Danny T > wrote:
>
> Sorry but you folks up north have a high population of serious
> asswipes that non of us want to deal with.

Wow Danny, your Parochial disease is getting worse.

May I point out that you're basing your opinion of ALL Canadian buyers
on your experience with ONE tightwad?

May I also suggest that your claim that "non of you want to deal with"
Canadians is a bit presumptuous, as many, many American sellers
routinely do business with Canadian buyers and profit from it?

As for your obviously inflammatory insults and name calling, I don't
even know how to respond to that.



> Maybe you and your friends are great but there are more whining
> weenies up north that take up more of my time than anywhere else
> but France. The result is the good guys lose out because of the
> crappy ones.

Whatever, your loss. My experience with eBay has been that there are
good buyers everywhere, and there are morons everywhere. It's SO easy
to tell which is which in advance that I can't imagine why anyone ever
has a problem, but it's not my concern.

Here's how it affects YOU though:

A couple weeks ago I was shopping for a keyboard. I found one at a low
price on eBay, listed as USA only. I contacted the seller and asked if
he'd send it to me in Vancouver. He said no. I went back to eBay,
found another one and wound up winning it at 1.5X the price of the first
one. The first auction closed with one bid. The first seller would
obviously have sold his unit for a higher price if he'd accepted my bid.
His loss, not mine.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

[Lorin David Schultz]

Richard Crowley > wrote:
>
> But the processes *available to us* make it much easier
> to deal with domestic scoundrels than with international
> ones. That is the entire point of this discussion.


A lot of people seem to believe that, but it's simply not true.

Speaking strictly for transactions with Canadians (I don't know the
rules for other countries) there is NO MORE RISK TO THE SELLER than with
an American buyer if you use PayPal and the mail.

If you use PayPal, the rules and protections are exactly the same with
USA-Canada transactions as they are with USA-USA deals. Don't take my
word for it. Go look.

If you send the item through the mail, there is no detailed paperwork
required and there is no way for customs charges to come back to you.
Mailing a package to Vancouver is the same as mailing a package to
Vermont. Seriously. Again, don't take my word for it. Go see. It
really is that easy.

When you get an inquiry from a Canadian buyer, take one minute to tap
out an email reminding them that they'll have to pay a trivial currency
conversion fee to PayPal, taxes to their government and $5 brokerage to
Canada Post. If they balk, blow 'em off. If, like me, they respond
with "Yeah, I know the drill," enjoy the benefit of another interested
buyer.

BTW, asking sellers to under-declare the value is just the buyer's way
of trying to save some money in a way that doesn't cost the seller
anything. If a buyer asks, just say no and see how they respond. If
they whine, blow 'em off. If they say "Well, it was worth a try!"
proceed as you would with any other haggler! <g>

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

[david correia]

In article >,
Rob Reedijk > wrote:

> > Remember the Stanley Cup playoffs in Carolina? Played at the RBC
> > Center? RBC stands for "Royal Bank of Canada."
>
> Sadly, no one remembers the playoffs in Carolina because they don't
> really watch hockey down there except in some of the major cities
> like Detroit, New York, Dallas, Boston, etc. Bet they don't know
> what the "T" in TD Bank North stands for, as in where the Boston
> Celtics and Bruins play.
>
> Rob R.



I live less than an hour from Boston and have no idea what the T stands
for. The building has already had way too many names in its short life.
At least the new namers were smart enough to put the Garden back in the
name.

So what does the T stand for?

As an aside, I went to Gillette Stadium last week for a Pats exibition
game. A not so big bottle of Poland Spring Water goes for $6. And during
every first half timeout f#$King ads blare from the PA. No mute button
available.

And it's $35 to park your car and Gillette is in the middle of noplace,
not in the heart of a big city where you can sorta rationalize getting
whacked for parking.

How much of a whore does Mr. Nice Guy Kraft really have to be??




David Correia
www.Celebrationsound.com

[Geoff]

Danny T wrote:
>> What kind of feedback ratings do these bidders have?
>> I would think that sort of behavior would be reported to
>> the management, they want to keep the reputation
>> and community to high standards.
>
> Well, funny you ask. Their usually good feedback people. They keep it
> that way because of the fact that if I give negs, they will too. Who
> wants that so bad people go unchecked. I wish I could slam these guys
> but they will do the same to me and I would not be able to take it off
> the record.

You gt a chance to add a comment to the feedback ? People who read can
decide. IKf you have a whole bunch of negatives, then there would seem to
be another problem that needs addressing,.


geoff

[Danny T]

Geoff wrote:
> Danny T wrote:
> >> What kind of feedback ratings do these bidders have?
> >> I would think that sort of behavior would be reported to
> >> the management, they want to keep the reputation
> >> and community to high standards.
> >
> > Well, funny you ask. Their usually good feedback people. They keep it
> > that way because of the fact that if I give negs, they will too. Who
> > wants that so bad people go unchecked. I wish I could slam these guys
> > but they will do the same to me and I would not be able to take it off
> > the record.
>
> You gt a chance to add a comment to the feedback ? People who read can
> decide. IKf you have a whole bunch of negatives, then there would seem to
> be another problem that needs addressing,.
>
>
> geoff

The only time I ever got a neg was when someone screwed me and I gave
one to him. He gave one to me and my rating dropped. I don't care if I
can comment, it still sucks

[Danny T]

Lorin David Schultz wrote:
> Danny T > wrote:
> >
> > Sorry but you folks up north have a high population of serious
> > asswipes that non of us want to deal with.
>
> Wow Danny, your Parochial disease is getting worse.
>
> May I point out that you're basing your opinion of ALL Canadian buyers
> on your experience with ONE tightwad?
>
> May I also suggest that your claim that "non of you want to deal with"
> Canadians is a bit presumptuous, as many, many American sellers
> routinely do business with Canadian buyers and profit from it?
>
> As for your obviously inflammatory insults and name calling, I don't
> even know how to respond to that.
>
>
>
> > Maybe you and your friends are great but there are more whining
> > weenies up north that take up more of my time than anywhere else
> > but France. The result is the good guys lose out because of the
> > crappy ones.
>
> Whatever, your loss. My experience with eBay has been that there are
> good buyers everywhere, and there are morons everywhere. It's SO easy
> to tell which is which in advance that I can't imagine why anyone ever
> has a problem, but it's not my concern.
>
> Here's how it affects YOU though:
>
> A couple weeks ago I was shopping for a keyboard. I found one at a low
> price on eBay, listed as USA only. I contacted the seller and asked if
> he'd send it to me in Vancouver. He said no. I went back to eBay,
> found another one and wound up winning it at 1.5X the price of the first
> one. The first auction closed with one bid. The first seller would
> obviously have sold his unit for a higher price if he'd accepted my bid.
> His loss, not mine.
>
> --
> "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
> - Lorin David Schultz
> in the control room
> making even bad news sound good
>
> (Remove spamblock to reply)

Here's how it affects me - I don't get all ****ed off and take up all
my time and I don't make a little extra money. I have enough time in a
month to pay for the month without the extra headache. Truth is, most
of you up there are great. I fly my plane into BC and meet great people
everytime I go but there are some that just mess it up. The thing is
that one of those guys a week and its not worth a penny of it.

Sorry, not all of you are jerks, but all it takes is a small %. Its
like driving on the highway. One jerk cutting lanes and you have 100
****ed off people

[Rob Reedijk]

david correia > wrote:
> In article >,
> Rob Reedijk > wrote:

>> > Remember the Stanley Cup playoffs in Carolina? Played at the RBC
>> > Center? RBC stands for "Royal Bank of Canada."
>>
>> Sadly, no one remembers the playoffs in Carolina because they don't
>> really watch hockey down there except in some of the major cities
>> like Detroit, New York, Dallas, Boston, etc. Bet they don't know
>> what the "T" in TD Bank North stands for, as in where the Boston
>> Celtics and Bruins play.
>>
>> Rob R.



> I live less than an hour from Boston and have no idea what the T stands
> for. The building has already had way too many names in its short life.
> At least the new namers were smart enough to put the Garden back in the
> name.

> So what does the T stand for?

Toronto. TD is the Toronto Dominion Bank. Big deal, anyway. We have some
US bank activity up here too and ING which is from the Netherlands.

But it amuses us because we can tell that RBC and TD Banknorth probably
don't want you Americans to know that you are banking with a Canadian
bank. I mean, if Danny T knew these were Canadian banks, he probably would
not do business with them.

I don't do any business with US banks. But I guess I wouldn't be afraid
to.

Rob R.

[Danny T]

Richard Crowley wrote:
> "Rob Reedijk" wrote ...
> > Danny, once again your problem is not with Canadians or people from
> > France. Your problem is with unethical people. Bad transactions
> > happen in US to US sales all the time. Just because of your beliefs,
> > I don't assume all Americans are any more xenophobic than the rest of
> > the world.
>
> But the processes *available to us* make it much easier
> to deal with domestic scoundrels than with international
> ones. That is the entire point of this discussion.

YES this it the thing with me. I am in a safer zone dealing with people
within my law.

[Pedro Van der Eecken]

Rob Reedijk schreef:

> Richard Crowley > wrote:
> > "Rob Reedijk" wrote ...
> >> What is with the ship-only-to-the-US ebay acutions? It is easy to
> >> ship to
> >> Canada. And the US dollar is really weak right now, meaning you get
> >> a lot less money if you restrict it this way. Very stupid.
>
> > There was a discussion of this very topic in the last several
> > days over on news:rec.radio.amateur.equipment
>
> Thanks, I will have a look.
>
> A few follow-up points.
>
> A few people have had trouble selling to outside of the US. And you have
> the right to be unhappy about unreasonable requests like falsefying
> values for importing and so on. But let's be clear about something---I
> know that there are lots of these transactions within the US where
> there are other problems involving bad sellers and buyers. It's not
> because they are Canadian (or other) that makes them bad for dealing with,
> it's just that they are just bad people. If they had lived in the US,
> they would have burned you there too.
>
> Transactions are easy across the border. I have offered to handle the
> shipping myself on my own shipping account---at which point the transaction
> is virtually identical, all you do is use the international form instead.
> And since it is on my account, it's actually easier than dealing with a
> fellow American.
>
> Once again, auctions are succesful when there is higher demand. When you
> exclude half your market your price goes does down. The items that I
> wanted to bid on but couldn't, actually sold very low compared to the
> auctions for the same items that were open to everyone. The fact is,
> the US dollar is very weak right now. If you can understand that means
> that your international customers have more buying power in the US, that
> means more money for you. More money. Good. More money=good. Less
> money=bad. Free enterprise---the American Way.
>
> Just put into your auctions, international buyers must first contact the
> seller. You can stipulate that they must handle the shipping on their
> own UPS or Fedex account or whatever.
>
> Rob R.

Damn right Rob,

that's the way... I think it's time that our fellow Americans start to
know that it's not all bad outside their borders... there are still
people that want to buy and pay a decent price for decent goods... and
if they don't want to sell than it's their own dumb un-economical
thought and they have to live with it.

If you guys have had problems with foreign buyers and all those
problems are related with shipping/customs... just do as Rob tells you
and everybody will be happy (and you will have more $$$)

By the way, I'm wondering why I'm still talking to any American because
of the tons of money I've lost in E-bay auctions from Americans that
cashed my money but never send-ed me the goods... It's the same
thing... because I believe no two humans are the same... (Call me naive
then ?)

Pedro

[David Grant]

>
> Sorry but you folks up north have a high population of serious asswipes
> that non of us want to deal with. Maybe you and your friends are great
> but there are more whining weenies up north that take up more of my
> time than anywhere else but France. The result is the good guys lose
> out because of the crappy ones.
>

I can't help but wonder if the US's huge trade deficit and this popular US
mentality towards foreign trade are somehow related.

As for the people who whine for falsified value declarations - just out of
curiousity, are you aware of why they do this? It's because UPS/Fedex charge
$50 (or more sometimes) to scan over customs documents and sign at the
bottom. It works this way when (if) you import from Canada too. I have no
problem paying tax on my imports, but to pay such an absurd amount for this
service (and then to pay tax on it as well) is just ludicrous IMHO.

Dave



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[Danny T]

David Grant wrote:
> >
> > Sorry but you folks up north have a high population of serious asswipes
> > that non of us want to deal with. Maybe you and your friends are great
> > but there are more whining weenies up north that take up more of my
> > time than anywhere else but France. The result is the good guys lose
> > out because of the crappy ones.
> >
>
> I can't help but wonder if the US's huge trade deficit and this popular US
> mentality towards foreign trade are somehow related.
>
> As for the people who whine for falsified value declarations - just out of
> curiousity, are you aware of why they do this? It's because UPS/Fedex charge
> $50 (or more sometimes) to scan over customs documents and sign at the
> bottom. It works this way when (if) you import from Canada too. I have no
> problem paying tax on my imports, but to pay such an absurd amount for this
> service (and then to pay tax on it as well) is just ludicrous IMHO.
Well then you probably don't want us to bother sending suff either. As
for trade deficit, when you study our accounting, you can talk to us
about it. Until then, not even many Americans understand that by moving
money from one account to another things look good or bad - even when
nothing has changed but political advertising.

[Lorin David Schultz]

Danny T > wrote:
>
> YES this it the thing with me. I am in a safer zone dealing with
> people within my law.



That's what I've been trying to explain to you Danny... you have exactly
the same safety selling to a Canadian that you have selling to an
American, IF you use PayPal and the mail.

UPS absolutely RAPES receivers with ridiculously high borkerage fees,
and FedEx will nail the shipper if the receiver refuses to pay
incidental fees, so neither of those is a really good solution. You
just don't have those issues with the post office though, and PayPal
will even automate the mailing process for you.

Danny, I apologize on behalf of everyone north of the 49th parallel that
your first experience with selling into Canada was with a tightwad.
Still, it seems a little extreme to be so down on Canadians in general
over ONE transaction. To be honest, your "bad experience" doesn't
really even seem all that serious to me. All that happened was that he
tried to get the cost down (some people call that negotiating or
haggling) and you could just as easily have said "no."

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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[Danny T]

Lorin David Schultz wrote:
> Danny T > wrote:
> >
> > YES this it the thing with me. I am in a safer zone dealing with
> > people within my law.
>
>
>
> That's what I've been trying to explain to you Danny... you have exactly
> the same safety selling to a Canadian that you have selling to an
> American, IF you use PayPal and the mail.
>
> UPS absolutely RAPES receivers with ridiculously high borkerage fees,
> and FedEx will nail the shipper if the receiver refuses to pay
> incidental fees, so neither of those is a really good solution. You
> just don't have those issues with the post office though, and PayPal
> will even automate the mailing process for you.
>
> Danny, I apologize on behalf of everyone north of the 49th parallel that
> your first experience with selling into Canada was with a tightwad.
> Still, it seems a little extreme to be so down on Canadians in general
> over ONE transaction. To be honest, your "bad experience" doesn't
> really even seem all that serious to me. All that happened was that he
> tried to get the cost down (some people call that negotiating or
> haggling) and you could just as easily have said "no."
>
> --
> "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
> - Lorin David Schultz
> in the control room
> making even bad news sound good
>
> (Remove spamblock to reply)

Too funny - first off, there is nothing to apologize for. There is crud
everywhere and we all know it. I just ran into a slew of them in a row.
.... Wait - France it problem, Canada has lots of nice people and a few
real idiots, like here. The USPS thing is better then the others but I
just mailed off my last Canadian package today. We declaired it at $50
and they marked it as $100. I didn' notice until I was home. I don't
know why they would have done that but they did so no matter what you
do, there can be a problem.

As for laws, I really think I am safer within the US but more over I
spend hours tring to figure out postage to canada. In the US I don't
have to worry about a thing. the time involved makes me shun the idea
all by itsself.

[David Grant]

Personally, on items of reasonable value (say $300 or more) I'd have no
problem paying a little more than the sensible shipping cost and then
receiving a refund for the difference if it means it will save the seller a
huge headache (even tho it shouldn't be since there are pretty simple online
shipping calculators that are quite accurate in my experience)

> As for laws, I really think I am safer within the US but more over I
> spend hours tring to figure out postage to canada. In the US I don't
> have to worry about a thing. the time involved makes me shun the idea
> all by itsself.
>



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[hank alrich]

Danny T > wrote:

> Sorry but you folks up north have a high population of serious asswipes
> that non of us want to deal with. Maybe you and your friends are great
> but there are more whining weenies up north that take up more of my
> time than anywhere else but France. The result is the good guys lose
> out because of the crappy ones.

Well, _that's_ a relief!

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ha