August 20th 06, 10:20 AM
Hello everybody,
Hope someone can offer me some advice on this: I use Cubase SL3 (I also
have access to SX3 too if need be) for my home studio DAW. I'm trying
to lay down some multitrack drum tracks in the usual manner (stereo
overheads plus close mikes, each assigned to separate tracks). As far
as getting a good sound, I seem to be doing OK - my problem is I want
to tighten up some of the takes - I'm a pretty good drummer and not TOO
sloppy, but I want to use some sampled percussion loops in Reason to
back up my real drumming and hence I would like to be able to tighten
up / shift some of the parts of my performance where I go out slightly
of time with the click that I recorded to.
I've done a lot of messing about with the in-depth audio quantising /
warp samples functions of Cubase, which works - but only on a single
track basis. By this I mean, I select, say, the Kick Drum track in the
sample editor, analyse it to detect hitpoints, then use those hitpoints
to move the kick hits in line with the grid - cool. But then of course
the kick spill on the overheads (which I still want in the mix) remains
UNquantised and gives a phasey, flammed effect which sounds dreadful.
So, in theory I would have to go through the hitpoint detection process
again on the OH tracks and get EXACTLY the same hitpoints detected
(painful - probably have to do this semi-manually) and then quantise
them. Same for other drum tracks too...groan. This is just too painful
to contemplate - is there ANY way in which ALL of my drum tracks for
the take can be selected at the same time, and then the hitpoints from,
say the KICK track used to provide the hitpoints for shifting and/or
slicing?
I read up on this and found that BEAT DETECTIVE in ProTools appears to
offer exactly this function simply and effectively - you basically
group all your drum tracks together, then get BD to analyse using a
selected track and apply hitpoints/slices to all tracks so that they
can all get shifted in phase. This sounds exactly what I need, and it
may just be that I have to fork out for ProTools to get this - but I
thought I would check and see if anyone who has Cubase SL3/SX3 has
managed to tackle this ingeniously before I start saving....
Also, assuming ProTools is the only way forward, then does ProTools LE
feature the Multitrack Beat Detective function - reviews I have read
seem to suggest that only the TDM version supports multiple tracks,
whereas LE allows single track BD function only.... I believe there is
also a Music Production Toolkit available from Digidesign that offers
multitrack BD...? Could that plug in to PT LE?
Many many many thanks for any replies or info
Nice weekend to you all
David
Hope someone can offer me some advice on this: I use Cubase SL3 (I also
have access to SX3 too if need be) for my home studio DAW. I'm trying
to lay down some multitrack drum tracks in the usual manner (stereo
overheads plus close mikes, each assigned to separate tracks). As far
as getting a good sound, I seem to be doing OK - my problem is I want
to tighten up some of the takes - I'm a pretty good drummer and not TOO
sloppy, but I want to use some sampled percussion loops in Reason to
back up my real drumming and hence I would like to be able to tighten
up / shift some of the parts of my performance where I go out slightly
of time with the click that I recorded to.
I've done a lot of messing about with the in-depth audio quantising /
warp samples functions of Cubase, which works - but only on a single
track basis. By this I mean, I select, say, the Kick Drum track in the
sample editor, analyse it to detect hitpoints, then use those hitpoints
to move the kick hits in line with the grid - cool. But then of course
the kick spill on the overheads (which I still want in the mix) remains
UNquantised and gives a phasey, flammed effect which sounds dreadful.
So, in theory I would have to go through the hitpoint detection process
again on the OH tracks and get EXACTLY the same hitpoints detected
(painful - probably have to do this semi-manually) and then quantise
them. Same for other drum tracks too...groan. This is just too painful
to contemplate - is there ANY way in which ALL of my drum tracks for
the take can be selected at the same time, and then the hitpoints from,
say the KICK track used to provide the hitpoints for shifting and/or
slicing?
I read up on this and found that BEAT DETECTIVE in ProTools appears to
offer exactly this function simply and effectively - you basically
group all your drum tracks together, then get BD to analyse using a
selected track and apply hitpoints/slices to all tracks so that they
can all get shifted in phase. This sounds exactly what I need, and it
may just be that I have to fork out for ProTools to get this - but I
thought I would check and see if anyone who has Cubase SL3/SX3 has
managed to tackle this ingeniously before I start saving....
Also, assuming ProTools is the only way forward, then does ProTools LE
feature the Multitrack Beat Detective function - reviews I have read
seem to suggest that only the TDM version supports multiple tracks,
whereas LE allows single track BD function only.... I believe there is
also a Music Production Toolkit available from Digidesign that offers
multitrack BD...? Could that plug in to PT LE?
Many many many thanks for any replies or info
Nice weekend to you all
David