adobe audition vocals

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Hello

I recently converted at a duplication outlet an 8mm reel to minidv.
This celluloid is 45 years old. The male subject's voice sounds as
though he'd inhaled a heavy dose of helium. It's sweetly high
pitch. The audio (edit within Adobe Premier Pro) is in perfect synch
with the video. I'm preparing to export the audio and adjust that wav
file within adobe audition. I could finish the edit, transcode to mpeg,
and adjust the wave file in that format within adobe audition.

This is my first foray using the 8mm to dv format. Along with the sweet
high voice the 8mm camera background noise is extremely pronounced.
This may be a real challenge. Here is the info extracted from Premiere.
Are there specific filters that I need to be aware of to redeem the
altered sound using Adobe Audition? I did a two minute extraction of
the film using avi and mpeg audio files. I wanted to experiment. I'm
getting to no sincere healing of the audio track. If I could get a few
pointers on this project -how to adjust the sweet high vocal that
would be most appreciated. The background noise -even though I can pick
up large areas and easily select that noise -I'm having no success in
noise reduction. I did put a few seconds sample in
http://www.meherbabalibrary.com/Shack "e sample.wav"
Thanks

Type: AVI Movie
File Size
Image Size 720 x 480
Frame Rate 30:00
Audio: 48000 Hz - 16 bit Stereo
Audio Track 1:
Rate is 48000 samples/sec, stereo
Sample size is 16 bits

[Frank Vuotto]

You may be overlooking the obvious, that the playback machine is
running fast. Just slow the video down until the vocal sounds decent.

Audition has a decent noise reduction filter but don't try to get rid
of all of the noise, it will make things worse.

Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
@/


On 18 Aug 2006 19:05:23 -0700, wrote:

>Hello
>
>I recently converted at a duplication outlet an 8mm reel to minidv.
>This celluloid is 45 years old. The male subject's voice sounds as
>though he'd inhaled a heavy dose of helium. It's sweetly high
>pitch. The audio (edit within Adobe Premier Pro) is in perfect synch
>with the video. I'm preparing to export the audio and adjust that wav
>file within adobe audition. I could finish the edit, transcode to mpeg,
>and adjust the wave file in that format within adobe audition.
>
>This is my first foray using the 8mm to dv format. Along with the sweet
>high voice the 8mm camera background noise is extremely pronounced.
>This may be a real challenge. Here is the info extracted from Premiere.
>Are there specific filters that I need to be aware of to redeem the
>altered sound using Adobe Audition? I did a two minute extraction of
>the film using avi and mpeg audio files. I wanted to experiment. I'm
>getting to no sincere healing of the audio track. If I could get a few
>pointers on this project -how to adjust the sweet high vocal that
>would be most appreciated. The background noise -even though I can pick
>up large areas and easily select that noise -I'm having no success in
>noise reduction. I did put a few seconds sample in
>http://www.meherbabalibrary.com/Shack "e sample.wav"
>Thanks
>
>Type: AVI Movie
>File Size
>Image Size 720 x 480
>Frame Rate 30:00
>Audio: 48000 Hz - 16 bit Stereo
>Audio Track 1:
>Rate is 48000 samples/sec, stereo
>Sample size is 16 bits

[[email protected]]

Very clear. I would have thought this company with years of experience
would have executed the obvious. I'll want to take the film back to
them. Mention your comment. That is the obvious. They should have
adjusted the audio whilst duplicating the material in real time.
Thanks
Frank Vuotto wrote:
> You may be overlooking the obvious, that the playback machine is
> running fast. Just slow the video down until the vocal sounds decent.
>
> Audition has a decent noise reduction filter but don't try to get rid
> of all of the noise, it will make things worse.
>
> Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
> @/
>
>
> On 18 Aug 2006 19:05:23 -0700, wrote:
>
> >Hello
> >
> >I recently converted at a duplication outlet an 8mm reel to minidv.
> >This celluloid is 45 years old. The male subject's voice sounds as
> >though he'd inhaled a heavy dose of helium. It's sweetly high
> >pitch. The audio (edit within Adobe Premier Pro) is in perfect synch
> >with the video. I'm preparing to export the audio and adjust that wav
> >file within adobe audition. I could finish the edit, transcode to mpeg,
> >and adjust the wave file in that format within adobe audition.
> >
> >This is my first foray using the 8mm to dv format. Along with the sweet
> >high voice the 8mm camera background noise is extremely pronounced.
> >This may be a real challenge. Here is the info extracted from Premiere.
> >Are there specific filters that I need to be aware of to redeem the
> >altered sound using Adobe Audition? I did a two minute extraction of
> >the film using avi and mpeg audio files. I wanted to experiment. I'm
> >getting to no sincere healing of the audio track. If I could get a few
> >pointers on this project -how to adjust the sweet high vocal that
> >would be most appreciated. The background noise -even though I can pick
> >up large areas and easily select that noise -I'm having no success in
> >noise reduction. I did put a few seconds sample in
> >http://www.meherbabalibrary.com/Shack "e sample.wav"
> >Thanks
> >
> >Type: AVI Movie
> >File Size
> >Image Size 720 x 480
> >Frame Rate 30:00
> >Audio: 48000 Hz - 16 bit Stereo
> >Audio Track 1:
> >Rate is 48000 samples/sec, stereo
> >Sample size is 16 bits

[Richard Crowley]

parvardigar wrote:
> I recently converted at a duplication outlet an 8mm reel to minidv.
> This celluloid is 45 years old. The male subject's voice sounds as
> though he'd inhaled a heavy dose of helium. It's sweetly high
> pitch. The audio (edit within Adobe Premier Pro) is in perfect synch
....
> Frame Rate 30:00

Do you know how is was transferred? For example,
was it transfered frame-for-frame? Or did they use a
telecine chain? What speed did they transfer the film at?

8mm film (whether standard 8 or super 8) was shot at
a much lower framerate (like 18FPS, etc.) The normal
way to bring these odd/low framrates back up to modern
video rates is to "stretch" the video in the NLE. This will
"fix" both the video and the audio speed.

[RD Jones]

wrote:
> Very clear. I would have thought this company with years of experience
> would have executed the obvious. I'll want to take the film back to
> them. Mention your comment. That is the obvious. They should have
> adjusted the audio whilst duplicating the material in real time.

If the transfer is done correctly (at the right speed) no
adjustment of audio or video should be needed.

> > >Frame Rate 30:00

This may be the destination (video) frame rate but
is certainly not the original format's rate.

rd

[Laurence Payne]

On 18 Aug 2006 19:05:23 -0700, wrote:

>
>I recently converted at a duplication outlet an 8mm reel to minidv.
>This celluloid is 45 years old. The male subject's voice sounds as
>though he'd inhaled a heavy dose of helium. It's sweetly high
>pitch. The audio (edit within Adobe Premier Pro) is in perfect synch
>with the video. I'm preparing to export the audio and adjust that wav
>file within adobe audition. I could finish the edit, transcode to mpeg,
>and adjust the wave file in that format within adobe audition.


I'd take it back and ask the "duplication outlet" to do the job again,
running the film at the proper speed.

[Scott Dorsey]

Richard Crowley > wrote:
>parvardigar wrote:
>> I recently converted at a duplication outlet an 8mm reel to minidv.
>> This celluloid is 45 years old. The male subject's voice sounds as
>> though he'd inhaled a heavy dose of helium. It's sweetly high
>> pitch. The audio (edit within Adobe Premier Pro) is in perfect synch
>...
>> Frame Rate 30:00
>
>Do you know how is was transferred? For example,
>was it transfered frame-for-frame? Or did they use a
>telecine chain? What speed did they transfer the film at?

Odds are if it was a "duplication outlet" and not a real transfer house
they did a crappy film chain transfer with an unattended system.

Demand your money back, then send the film to Broadsky and Treadway, or
to a place with a Rank scanner.

I assume this is Super-8 if it's sound.... regular 8mm sound film does
exist but it's pretty rare. There are a lot of transfer houses out there
with Super-8 gates.

The original camera may not have been running at the proper speed; it is
possible the camera was left on 16 fps even though they were shooting sound.
Or the batteries were weak and it was running a little slow. A _good_
transfer house can deal with this. Not some duping bozos, but some place
with a real colorist that does an attended transfer.

>8mm film (whether standard 8 or super 8) was shot at
>a much lower framerate (like 18FPS, etc.) The normal
>way to bring these odd/low framrates back up to modern
>video rates is to "stretch" the video in the NLE. This will
>"fix" both the video and the audio speed.

Super-8 was normally shot at 16/18 fps for silent and 24 fps for sound,
but this was well before the days of crystal synch and it may not have
been recorded right on-speed.
--scott

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