Beethoven's 9th conducted by Solti and myths about Decca/London records

[S888Wheel]

I just picked up a Brittish pressed London copy of Beethoven's 9th Symphony
with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra conducted by George Solti. What can I say?
Great music, great performance and great sound. I know that the 9th has become
a bit cliche but I think it stands up and is arguably one of the greatest
symphonies of all time. I am not a huge Solti fan, I think he is usually quite
good but rarely exceptional. On this recording he is exceptional IMO. I think
this performance stands up to any other recorded performance I have ever heard
of the 9th. Now for the recording. Ken Wilkenson. Need I say any more? Ah but
the pressing. This is where it gets interesting. This is on the London label,
mastered and pressed in England by the Decca crew. It is often assumed that
Deccas are superior to Londons. That is a myth. They are mastered by the same
guys and pressed at the same plant if it is a a Brittish London. Avoid American
Londons! The real differences in the Brittish lOndons/ Deccas lie in the
mastering engineers themselves and the equipment they used which can best be
determined by the aproximate date of the mastering. It is often assumed that
earlier is better. The price one can get for 2000 series Deccas or London
Bluebacks is pretty staggering. IME they are usually *not* the best issues of
those early titles. The recordings from the late fifties and early sixties on
Decca are amoung the best ever made but to hear them at their best one needs to
get a copy mastered by Ted Burkett, Harry Fisher or Tony Hawkins. They can be
identified in the dead wax by the letters G, W and K respectively. IME the
masters cut in the late sixties and early seventies by the same mastering
engineers were noticably better. The word is that the lathes used at that time
were the best they ever had at Decca. This can be determined by a JT in the
dead wax opposite the matrix numbers. It does not matter if the label says
London or Decca. What matters most is who mastered it and when. Did I mention
the copy I just got of Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I
paid 3 bucks for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the
best sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made for dirt
cheap if you look out for the right pressings.

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:

> Did I mention the copy I just got of
> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the best
> sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made for
> dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.

The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap enough.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>
>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
>> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the best
>> sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made for
>> dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>
>The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap enough.
>

The sound quality isn't low though. Maybe you simply didn't understand what I
wrote.

[dave weil]

On 06 Apr 2004 22:52:33 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:

>>From: "Arny Krueger"
>>Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>S888Wheel wrote:
>>
>>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
>>> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the best
>>> sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made for
>>> dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>>
>>The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap enough.
>>
>
>The sound quality isn't low though. Maybe you simply didn't understand what I
>wrote.

Oh, he did. It was just another one of his gratuitous slams on vinyl.

[MINe 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

> On 06 Apr 2004 22:52:33 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:
>
> >>From: "Arny Krueger"
> >>Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>Message-id: >
> >>
> >>S888Wheel wrote:
> >>
> >>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
> >>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
> >>> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the best
> >>> sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made for
> >>> dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
> >>
> >>The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap enough.
> >>
> >
> >The sound quality isn't low though. Maybe you simply didn't understand what I
> >wrote.
>
> Oh, he did. It was just another one of his gratuitous slams on vinyl.

This is probably the same recording re-released on Mobile Fidelity. I
got one of those for $3...

I rarely feel like hearing the glorious 9th by Ludwig Van.

Stephen

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>
>>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
>>> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the
>>> best sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made
>>> for dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>>
>> The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap
>> enough.

> The sound quality isn't low though.

Sure it is. Three words: tic, pop, crackle. Then there's the lack of dynamic
range, high levels of audible distortion, tracing distortion, etc.

>Maybe you simply didn't understand what I wrote.

I understand that you wrote about your functional deafness to what people
with normal hearing don't like listening to.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Stephen wrote:


>In article >,
> dave weil > wrote:
>
>> On 06 Apr 2004 22:52:33 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:
>>
>> >>From: "Arny Krueger"
>> >>Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >>Message-id: >
>> >>
>> >>S888Wheel wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>> >>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
>> >>> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the best
>> >>> sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made for
>> >>> dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>> >>
>> >>The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap enough.
>> >>
>> >
>> >The sound quality isn't low though. Maybe you simply didn't understand
>what I
>> >wrote.
>>
>> Oh, he did. It was just another one of his gratuitous slams on vinyl.
>
>This is probably the same recording re-released on Mobile Fidelity. I
>got one of those for $3...
>
>I rarely feel like hearing the glorious 9th by Ludwig Van.
>
>Stephen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Any time, in general, you can get a Mobile Fidelity LP for $ 3.00, you've got
yourself a bargain. While performances and sound quality vary, as a group, I
think Mobile Fidelity LPs are certainly above the average (along with shaded
dogs, bluebacks, and living presences, of course - and also, some of the
Command classical LPs aren't too shabby either).

I've got a Mobile Fidelity copy of Solt, with the London Symphony Orchetra,
performing Holst's The Planets. (originally on London/Decca). An excellent
performance and recording.

Also, if you enjoy atmospheric soundtrack music, with an almost classical
quality, I'd highly recommend either of the 2 London/Decca/Mobile Fidelity
albums - Fantasy Film World of Bernard Hermann and Mysterious Film World of
Bernard Hermann. Among other well-known themes, you'll find a chilling
rendition of the music from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "Gulliver's
Travels".

The sound quality on both of these albums is truly spectacular.


Bruce J. Richman

[S888Wheel]

>From: MINe 109
>Date: 4/6/2004 5:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >,
> dave weil > wrote:
>
>> On 06 Apr 2004 22:52:33 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:
>>
>> >>From: "Arny Krueger"
>> >>Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >>Message-id: >
>> >>
>> >>S888Wheel wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>> >>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
>> >>> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the best
>> >>> sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made for
>> >>> dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>> >>
>> >>The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap enough.
>> >>
>> >
>> >The sound quality isn't low though. Maybe you simply didn't understand
>what I
>> >wrote.
>>
>> Oh, he did. It was just another one of his gratuitous slams on vinyl.
>
>This is probably the same recording re-released on Mobile Fidelity. I
>got one of those for $3...
>
>I rarely feel like hearing the glorious 9th by Ludwig Van.
>
>Stephen
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yep. It's the same one.

[S888Wheel]

>Decca/London records
>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/6/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>>>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
>>>> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the
>>>> best sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made
>>>> for dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>>>
>>> The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap
>>> enough.
>
>> The sound quality isn't low though.
>
>Sure it is. Three words: tic, pop, crackle. Then there's the lack of dynamic
>range, high levels of audible distortion, tracing distortion, etc.
>
>>Maybe you simply didn't understand what I wrote.
>
>I understand that you wrote about your functional deafness to what people
>with normal hearing don't like listening to.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

You clearly did not understand. You still do not understand. You are just
chasing your tail and burning strawmen. Of course you may believe that "normal
people" do not like listening to excellent recordings of excellent performances
of excellent music. It is obvious you do not care such things and you think you
are normal.

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> Decca/London records
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/6/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>>> Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>> Message-id: >
>>>>
>>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>>>>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3
>>>>> bucks for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some
>>>>> of the best sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings
>>>>> ever made for dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>>>>
>>>> The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap
>>>> enough.
>>
>>> The sound quality isn't low though.
>>
>> Sure it is. Three words: tic, pop, crackle. Then there's the lack of
>> dynamic range, high levels of audible distortion, tracing
>> distortion, etc.
>>
>>> Maybe you simply didn't understand what I wrote.
>>
>> I understand that you wrote about your functional deafness to what
>> people with normal hearing don't like listening to.

> You clearly did not understand. You still do not understand. You are
> just chasing your tail and burning strawmen. Of course you may
> believe that "normal people" do not like listening to excellent
> recordings of excellent performances of excellent music. It is
> obvious you do not care such things and you think you are normal.

Just more of your delusional ranting. BTW, how's your libel suit against me
coming?

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/6/2004 5:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> Decca/London records
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/6/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>>>> Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>>> Message-id: >
>>>>>
>>>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>>>>>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3
>>>>>> bucks for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some
>>>>>> of the best sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings
>>>>>> ever made for dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap
>>>>> enough.
>>>
>>>> The sound quality isn't low though.
>>>
>>> Sure it is. Three words: tic, pop, crackle. Then there's the lack of
>>> dynamic range, high levels of audible distortion, tracing
>>> distortion, etc.
>>>
>>>> Maybe you simply didn't understand what I wrote.
>>>
>>> I understand that you wrote about your functional deafness to what
>>> people with normal hearing don't like listening to.
>
>> You clearly did not understand. You still do not understand. You are
>> just chasing your tail and burning strawmen. Of course you may
>> believe that "normal people" do not like listening to excellent
>> recordings of excellent performances of excellent music. It is
>> obvious you do not care such things and you think you are normal.
>
>Just more of your delusional ranting.

Maybe you would learn more from my post if I cleared a few things up that may
be confusing for you. Beethoven was the composer of the symphony in question.
The 9th symphony was not the name of the artist but the title of the
composition. Solti was the conductor, not the composer or the title of the
composition. Hope that helps prevent any more Fold es Eg type **** ups on your
part. You still have Eg on your face.

BTW, how's your libel suit against me
>coming?
>
>
>
>
There is a status meeting on the thirteenth of May. I guess you won't be there
to face the music. Do you tell people at your church that you make false
accusations of pedophilia against those with whom you disagree on audio? Or do
you have just enough moral awareness to be to ashamed to admit this fact to
your fellow church goers?

[MINe 109]

In article >,
(Bruce J. Richman) wrote:

> >> >>S888Wheel wrote:

> >> >>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
> >> >>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks...

> >This is probably the same recording re-released on Mobile Fidelity. I
> >got one of those for $3...

> >I rarely feel like hearing the glorious 9th by Ludwig Van.

> Any time, in general, you can get a Mobile Fidelity LP for $ 3.00, you've got
> yourself a bargain. While performances and sound quality vary, as a group, I
> think Mobile Fidelity LPs are certainly above the average (along with shaded
> dogs, bluebacks, and living presences, of course - and also, some of the
> Command classical LPs aren't too shabby either).

I have a few bargains in the collection: Al Stewart "Year of the Cat,"
"Parallel Lines" Blondie, etc. I had one of those stupid thrift shop
experiences a few weeks ago when I found the MoFi "Aja" at a Goodwill.
Well, the lp cover.

> I've got a Mobile Fidelity copy of Solt, with the London Symphony Orchetra,
> performing Holst's The Planets. (originally on London/Decca). An excellent
> performance and recording.
>
> Also, if you enjoy atmospheric soundtrack music, with an almost classical
> quality, I'd highly recommend either of the 2 London/Decca/Mobile Fidelity
> albums - Fantasy Film World of Bernard Hermann and Mysterious Film World of
> Bernard Hermann. Among other well-known themes, you'll find a chilling
> rendition of the music from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "Gulliver's
> Travels".
>
> The sound quality on both of these albums is truly spectacular.

Oh, yes! Is "The Day the Earth Stood Still" the one with two theremins?

Stephen

[Bruce J. Richman]

Stephen wrote:


>In article >,
> (Bruce J. Richman) wrote:
>
>> >> >>S888Wheel wrote:
>
>> >> >>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>> >> >>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3
>bucks...
>
>> >This is probably the same recording re-released on Mobile Fidelity. I
>> >got one of those for $3...
>
>> >I rarely feel like hearing the glorious 9th by Ludwig Van.
>
>> Any time, in general, you can get a Mobile Fidelity LP for $ 3.00, you've
>got
>> yourself a bargain. While performances and sound quality vary, as a group,
>I
>> think Mobile Fidelity LPs are certainly above the average (along with
>shaded
>> dogs, bluebacks, and living presences, of course - and also, some of the
>> Command classical LPs aren't too shabby either).
>
>I have a few bargains in the collection: Al Stewart "Year of the Cat,"
>"Parallel Lines" Blondie, etc. I had one of those stupid thrift shop
>experiences a few weeks ago when I found the MoFi "Aja" at a Goodwill.
>Well, the lp cover.
>

Good deal. My best MoFi buy was a few years ago at a record dealers'
get-together. One of them had a NM copy of the Grateful Dead's American Beauty
MoFi in a terribly beat up jacket at a bargain price because of the cover.
Since I don't play the covers :), I gobbled it up. Beautiful sounding album -
especially a cut called 'Ripple". (Blondie was here in S. Florida recently,
one of our local race tracks runs weekend nostalgia concerts and brings back a
lot of the old groups for one day stands - they get folks for the concerts for
gen. admission to the track - $ 5.00, and of course, hope you'll stay and bet,
but even if you don't, it's a good deal).


>> I've got a Mobile Fidelity copy of Solt, with the London Symphony Orchetra,
>> performing Holst's The Planets. (originally on London/Decca). An
>excellent
>> performance and recording.
>>
>> Also, if you enjoy atmospheric soundtrack music, with an almost classical
>> quality, I'd highly recommend either of the 2 London/Decca/Mobile Fidelity
>> albums - Fantasy Film World of Bernard Hermann and Mysterious Film World
>of
>> Bernard Hermann. Among other well-known themes, you'll find a chilling
>> rendition of the music from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "Gulliver's
>> Travels".
>>
>> The sound quality on both of these albums is truly spectacular.
>
>Oh, yes! Is "The Day the Earth Stood Still" the one with two theremins?
>

You betcha! Hermann liked to use exotic instrumentation in his orchestrations.
I remember reading in the liner notes that in on of the pieces (I think it was
Sinbad), he uses an ancient brass instrument called a
"dragon". The sound it makes is hard to describe but sort of like a
constricted tuba.

FWIW, both of these albums have been on TAS' best records list for many years.
In this case, their inclusion is, IMHO, fully justified.






>Stephen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

George M. Middius wrote:


>S888Wheel said to The Big ****:
>
>> It is obvious ... you think you are normal.
>
>That is sooooooooo horrible. And I think you're right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Regrettably, this appears to be the case. As scary as duh-Mikey "thinking"
(doubtful) that he's telling the "truth" and just offering "opinions" when he
tries to ignore and contradict established facts.

"There's none so blind as can not see" - LOL!

And, of course, "denial is not just a river in Africa".

No wonder these 2 agree on so many things.




Bruce J. Richman

[MINe 109]

In article >,
(Bruce J. Richman) wrote:

> Stephen wrote:
>
>
> >In article >,
> > (Bruce J. Richman) wrote:
> >
> >> >> >>S888Wheel wrote:
> >
> >> >> >>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
> >> >> >>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3
> >bucks...
> >
> >> >This is probably the same recording re-released on Mobile Fidelity. I
> >> >got one of those for $3...
> >
> >> >I rarely feel like hearing the glorious 9th by Ludwig Van.
> >
> >> Any time, in general, you can get a Mobile Fidelity LP for $ 3.00, you've
> >got
> >> yourself a bargain. While performances and sound quality vary, as a
> >> group,
> >I
> >> think Mobile Fidelity LPs are certainly above the average (along with
> >shaded
> >> dogs, bluebacks, and living presences, of course - and also, some of the
> >> Command classical LPs aren't too shabby either).
> >
> >I have a few bargains in the collection: Al Stewart "Year of the Cat,"
> >"Parallel Lines" Blondie, etc. I had one of those stupid thrift shop
> >experiences a few weeks ago when I found the MoFi "Aja" at a Goodwill.
> >Well, the lp cover.
> >
>
> Good deal. My best MoFi buy was a few years ago at a record dealers'
> get-together. One of them had a NM copy of the Grateful Dead's American
> Beauty
> MoFi in a terribly beat up jacket at a bargain price because of the cover.
> Since I don't play the covers :), I gobbled it up. Beautiful sounding album
> -
> especially a cut called 'Ripple". (Blondie was here in S. Florida recently,
> one of our local race tracks runs weekend nostalgia concerts and brings back
> a
> lot of the old groups for one day stands - they get folks for the concerts
> for
> gen. admission to the track - $ 5.00, and of course, hope you'll stay and
> bet,
> but even if you don't, it's a good deal).
>
>
> >> I've got a Mobile Fidelity copy of Solt, with the London Symphony
> >> Orchetra,
> >> performing Holst's The Planets. (originally on London/Decca). An
> >excellent
> >> performance and recording.
> >>
> >> Also, if you enjoy atmospheric soundtrack music, with an almost classical
> >> quality, I'd highly recommend either of the 2 London/Decca/Mobile Fidelity
> >> albums - Fantasy Film World of Bernard Hermann and Mysterious Film World
> >of
> >> Bernard Hermann. Among other well-known themes, you'll find a chilling
> >> rendition of the music from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and
> >> "Gulliver's
> >> Travels".
> >>
> >> The sound quality on both of these albums is truly spectacular.
> >
> >Oh, yes! Is "The Day the Earth Stood Still" the one with two theremins?
> >
>
> You betcha! Hermann liked to use exotic instrumentation in his
> orchestrations.

> I remember reading in the liner notes that in on of the pieces (I think it
> was Sinbad), he uses an ancient brass instrument called a
> "dragon". The sound it makes is hard to describe but sort of like a
> constricted tuba.

Hmmm. Interesting, I did some searching and it was "Journey to the
Center of the Earth" and the instrument is the "serpent," only a stone's
throw from a dragon, especially in German!

The constricted sound is what you'd expect from something that looks
like this:

http://www.berliozhistoricalbrass.org/serpent.htm

> FWIW, both of these albums have been on TAS' best records list for many
> years. In this case, their inclusion is, IMHO, fully justified.

Cheers,

Stephen

[S888Wheel]

>Decca/London records
>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>Date: 4/6/2004 5:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Stephen wrote:
>
>
>>In article >,
>> dave weil > wrote:
>>
>>> On 06 Apr 2004 22:52:33 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:
>>>
>>> >>From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> >>Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>> >>Message-id: >
>>> >>
>>> >>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> >>


>Any time, in general, you can get a Mobile Fidelity LP for $ 3.00, you've got
>yourself a bargain. While performances and sound quality vary, as a group, I
>think Mobile Fidelity LPs are certainly above the average (along with shaded
>dogs, bluebacks, and living presences, of course - and also, some of the
>Command classical LPs aren't too shabby either).
>
>I've got a Mobile Fidelity copy of Solt, with the London Symphony Orchetra,
>performing Holst's The Planets. (originally on London/Decca). An excellent
>performance and recording.

I think the one to have is the Boult. It isn't the last word in sonics but it
aint bad sounding either. The performance is just about perfect.


>

[S888Wheel]

>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>Date: 4/6/2004 7:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Stephen wrote:
>
>
>>In article >,
>> (Bruce J. Richman) wrote:
>>
>>> >> >>S888Wheel wrote:
>>
>>> >> >>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>>> >> >>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3
>>bucks...
>>
>>> >This is probably the same recording re-released on Mobile Fidelity. I
>>> >got one of those for $3...
>>
>>> >I rarely feel like hearing the glorious 9th by Ludwig Van.
>>
>>> Any time, in general, you can get a Mobile Fidelity LP for $ 3.00, you've
>>got
>>> yourself a bargain. While performances and sound quality vary, as a
>group,
>>I
>>> think Mobile Fidelity LPs are certainly above the average (along with
>>shaded
>>> dogs, bluebacks, and living presences, of course - and also, some of the
>>> Command classical LPs aren't too shabby either).
>>
>>I have a few bargains in the collection: Al Stewart "Year of the Cat,"
>>"Parallel Lines" Blondie, etc. I had one of those stupid thrift shop
>>experiences a few weeks ago when I found the MoFi "Aja" at a Goodwill.
>>Well, the lp cover.
>>
>
>Good deal. My best MoFi buy was a few years ago at a record dealers'
>get-together. One of them had a NM copy of the Grateful Dead's American
>Beauty
>MoFi in a terribly beat up jacket at a bargain price because of the cover.
>Since I don't play the covers :), I gobbled it up. Beautiful sounding album
>-
>especially a cut called 'Ripple".

It would be interesting to compare it to an original. I have one and it sounds
pretty fantastic.

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
> Maybe you would learn more from my post if I cleared a few things up
> that may be confusing for you. Beethoven was the composer of the
> symphony in question. The 9th symphony was not the name of the artist
> but the title of the composition. Solti was the conductor, not the
> composer or the title of the composition.

I'm glad that you have just learned this, Sockpuppet wheel.

> BTW, how's your libel suit against me
>> coming?

> There is a status meeting on the thirteenth of May. I guess you won't
> be there to face the music.

There's no music to face. I wonder what the court will think if you finally
admit that the entity that was allegedly libeled was an unknown alias that
you made up?

> Do you tell people at your church that
> you make false accusations of pedophilia against those with whom you
> disagree on audio?

It's not about audio, it's about your lack of manhood, sockpuppet. You
strike me as the kind of little boy who never matured out of playing with
lipstick.

>Or do you have just enough moral awareness to be
> to ashamed to admit this fact to your fellow church goers?

Like I said sockpuppet, given that you cower in fear of me, even though I'm
at last 1,800 miles away, your paranoia has obviously risen to unmanageable
heights.

Let me explain your paranoia to the nice people, sockpuppet. Just tell us
what your profession is.

[Arny Krueger]

George M. Middius wrote:
> S888Wheel said to The Big ****:
>
>> It is obvious ... you think you are normal.
>
> That is sooooooooo horrible. And I think you're right.

Nonsense. I still remember scaring the heck out of that gutless Zelniker
child by admitting that I'm a wild and crazy guy. I think that scared him
all the way back to Florida.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 04:57:41 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>George M. Middius wrote:
>> S888Wheel said to The Big ****:
>>
>>> It is obvious ... you think you are normal.
>>
>> That is sooooooooo horrible. And I think you're right.
>
>Nonsense. I still remember scaring the heck out of that gutless Zelniker
>child by admitting that I'm a wild and crazy guy. I think that scared him
>all the way back to Florida.
>

HA!

You owe me a new keyboard, Arnold.

[Arny Krueger]

dave weil wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 04:57:41 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> George M. Middius wrote:
>>> S888Wheel said to The Big ****:
>>>
>>>> It is obvious ... you think you are normal.
>>>
>>> That is sooooooooo horrible. And I think you're right.
>>
>> Nonsense. I still remember scaring the heck out of that gutless
>> Zelniker child by admitting that I'm a wild and crazy guy. I think
>> that scared him all the way back to Florida.
>>
>
> HA!
>
> You owe me a new keyboard, Arnold.

Your uncontrolled drooling is not my fault, Weil. If you hadn't rotted out
your brain with all those illegal drugs, you would probably be able to avoid
ruining keyboards with drool.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:31:09 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 04:57:41 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> George M. Middius wrote:
>>>> S888Wheel said to The Big ****:
>>>>
>>>>> It is obvious ... you think you are normal.
>>>>
>>>> That is sooooooooo horrible. And I think you're right.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. I still remember scaring the heck out of that gutless
>>> Zelniker child by admitting that I'm a wild and crazy guy. I think
>>> that scared him all the way back to Florida.
>>>
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> You owe me a new keyboard, Arnold.
>
>Your uncontrolled drooling is not my fault, Weil. If you hadn't rotted out
>your brain with all those illegal drugs, you would probably be able to avoid
>ruining keyboards with drool.
>
Saved post.

[Arny Krueger]

dave weil wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:31:09 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> dave weil wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 04:57:41 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> George M. Middius wrote:
>>>>> S888Wheel said to The Big ****:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is obvious ... you think you are normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is sooooooooo horrible. And I think you're right.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense. I still remember scaring the heck out of that gutless
>>>> Zelniker child by admitting that I'm a wild and crazy guy. I think
>>>> that scared him all the way back to Florida.
>>>>
>>>
>>> HA!
>>>
>>> You owe me a new keyboard, Arnold.
>>
>> Your uncontrolled drooling is not my fault, Weil. If you hadn't
>> rotted out your brain with all those illegal drugs, you would
>> probably be able to avoid ruining keyboards with drool.
>>
> Saved post.

I guess that means I should be shaking in my boots.

LOL!

[dave weil]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:27:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:31:09 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> dave weil wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 04:57:41 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> George M. Middius wrote:
>>>>>> S888Wheel said to The Big ****:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is obvious ... you think you are normal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is sooooooooo horrible. And I think you're right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense. I still remember scaring the heck out of that gutless
>>>>> Zelniker child by admitting that I'm a wild and crazy guy. I think
>>>>> that scared him all the way back to Florida.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HA!
>>>>
>>>> You owe me a new keyboard, Arnold.
>>>
>>> Your uncontrolled drooling is not my fault, Weil. If you hadn't
>>> rotted out your brain with all those illegal drugs, you would
>>> probably be able to avoid ruining keyboards with drool.
>>>
>> Saved post.
>
>I guess that means I should be shaking in my boots.

If you say so.

[Powell]

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote

> Good deal. My best MoFi buy was a few years ago at
> a record dealers' get-together. One of them had a NM
> copy of the Grateful Dead's American Beauty MoFi in a
.. terribly beat up jacket at a bargain price because of the
> cover. Since I don't play the covers :), I gobbled it up.
>
I picked-up a new (not used) Mobile Fidelity version of
Pablo Cruise, A Place in the Sun (1977), last summer
from a small rural record store for $5. Also purchased
a new copy of The Doobie Brothers, Toulouse Street
(1972) for $3. The store has most of the trapping of a
70's style head shop. It was like taking a step back in
time... well, except the store manager, she had green
hair and numerous facial piercing :).

[Bruce J. Richman]

Powell wrote:


>"Bruce J. Richman" wrote
>
>> Good deal. My best MoFi buy was a few years ago at
>> a record dealers' get-together. One of them had a NM
>> copy of the Grateful Dead's American Beauty MoFi in a
>. terribly beat up jacket at a bargain price because of the
>> cover. Since I don't play the covers :), I gobbled it up.
>>
>I picked-up a new (not used) Mobile Fidelity version of
>Pablo Cruise, A Place in the Sun (1977), last summer
>from a small rural record store for $5. Also purchased
>a new copy of The Doobie Brothers, Toulouse Street
>(1972) for $3. The store has most of the trapping of a
>70's style head shop. It was like taking a step back in
>time... well, except the store manager, she had green
>hair and numerous facial piercing :).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

She was probably one of those digital bigots trying to cleanse her soul by
casting out the unholy vinyl :).

LOT'S!



Bruce J. Richman

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/7/2004 1:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>> Maybe you would learn more from my post if I cleared a few things up
>> that may be confusing for you. Beethoven was the composer of the
>> symphony in question. The 9th symphony was not the name of the artist
>> but the title of the composition. Solti was the conductor, not the
>> composer or the title of the composition.
>
>I'm glad that you have just learned this, Sockpuppet wheel.
>

I've known it for quite some time Arny. I was just trying to keep you filled in
to prevent any more Fold es Eg ****ups on your part.

>
>> BTW, how's your libel suit against me
>>> coming?
>
>> There is a status meeting on the thirteenth of May. I guess you won't
>> be there to face the music.
>
>There's no music to face.

In your fantasy world on line perhaps. The court will rule on this matter
without consideration of your fantasies.

>I wonder what the court will think if you finally
>admit that the entity that was allegedly libeled was an unknown alias that
>you made up?

I am simply going to let the judge read the complaint which is entirely
truthful. You haven't got the balls to try to peddle your lies in a real court
so the judge will never hear this line of bull**** you posted above.

>
>> Do you tell people at your church that
>> you make false accusations of pedophilia against those with whom you
>> disagree on audio?
>
>It's not about audio,

It was about audio until you took it to the gutter and beyond with your false
accusations of pedophilia. I guess your attempt to dodge the question pretty
much answers the question. You are too ashamed to admit to your fellow church
goers what you have done on RAO. I think one of the things I will do when I get
the ruling on this case is send a copy of the suit and the ruling along with
some choice posts of yours to your church.

> it's about your lack of manhood, sockpuppet. You
>strike me as the kind of little boy who never matured out of playing with
>lipstick.

Arny, someone who resorts to calling people pedophiles because they got their
ass kicked in a debate over audio is hardly one to talk about manhood.


>
>>Or do you have just enough moral awareness to be
>> to ashamed to admit this fact to your fellow church goers?
>
>Like I said sockpuppet, given that you cower in fear of me, even though I'm
>at last 1,800 miles away, your paranoia has obviously risen to unmanageable
>heights.

You really are nuts. Don't worry though. When this is over you'll have plenty
to talk about in church.

>
>Let me explain your paranoia to the nice people, sockpuppet. Just tell us
>what your profession is.

Great explination Arny. Makes as much sense as the rest of your bull****.

[S888Wheel]

>Decca/London records
>From: (S888Wheel)
>Date: 4/6/2004 5:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>>From: MINe 109
>>Date: 4/6/2004 5:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>In article >,
>> dave weil > wrote:
>>
>>> On 06 Apr 2004 22:52:33 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:
>>>
>>> >>From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> >>Date: 4/6/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>> >>Message-id: >
>>> >>
>>> >>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Did I mention the copy I just got of
>>> >>> Beethoven's 9th was masterd by Harry Fisher in 1972? I paid 3 bucks
>>> >>> for it and it is in near mint condition. One can get some of the best
>>> >>> sounding versions of some of the greatest recordings ever made for
>>> >>> dirt cheap if you look out for the right pressings.
>>> >>
>>> >>The sound quality may be low, but the recordings sure are cheap enough.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >The sound quality isn't low though. Maybe you simply didn't understand
>>what I
>>> >wrote.
>>>
>>> Oh, he did. It was just another one of his gratuitous slams on vinyl.
>>
>>This is probably the same recording re-released on Mobile Fidelity. I
>>got one of those for $3...
>>
>>I rarely feel like hearing the glorious 9th by Ludwig Van.
>>
>>Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Yep. It's the same one.
>
>
>
>
>
>

I had a chance to compare the London to my copy of the MoFi last night and the
London was much better. The MoFi was still pretty good though.

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/7/2004 1:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>> Maybe you would learn more from my post if I cleared a few things
>>> up that may be confusing for you. Beethoven was the composer of the
>>> symphony in question. The 9th symphony was not the name of the
>>> artist but the title of the composition. Solti was the conductor,
>>> not the composer or the title of the composition.
>>
>> I'm glad that you have just learned this, Sockpuppet wheel.
>>
>
> I've known it for quite some time Arny. I was just trying to keep you
> filled in to prevent any more Fold es Eg ****ups on your part.

Sorry that your pathological obsession with me has not been cured,
sockpuppet wheel.

>>> BTW, how's your libel suit against me
>>>> coming?

>>> There is a status meeting on the thirteenth of May. I guess you
>>> won't be there to face the music.

>> There's no music to face.

> In your fantasy world on line perhaps.

Your pretense that an unknown alias was libeled proves that you life in a
fantasy world, sockpuppet wheel.

>The court will rule on this matter without consideration of your
fantasies.

Works for me!

>> I wonder what the court will think if you finally
>> admit that the entity that was allegedly libeled was an unknown
>> alias that you made up?

> I am simply going to let the judge read the complaint which is
> entirely truthful.

It was a pack of lies and deceptions. Let's if the court can determine what
sort of habitual liar you are, sockpuppet wheel.

>You haven't got the balls to try to peddle your
> lies in a real court so the judge will never hear this line of
> bull**** you posted above.

I'm just giving the Superior Court of LA credit for being able to see
thorugh your lies and decptions.

>>> Do you tell people at your church that
>>> you make false accusations of pedophilia against those with whom you
>>> disagree on audio?

>> It's not about audio,

> It was about audio until you took it to the gutter and beyond with
> your false accusations of pedophilia.

How may convictions of pedophilia have you had, sockpuppet wheel? If you had
nothing to fear you would not be so hypersensitive.

>I guess your attempt to dodge
> the question pretty much answers the question.

No dodge, just facts about your lack of normal adult levels of
self-confidence.

>You are too ashamed to
> admit to your fellow church goers what you have done on RAO.

A false claim.

>I think
> one of the things I will do when I get the ruling on this case is
> send a copy of the suit and the ruling along with some choice posts
> of yours to your church.

Do it now!

BTW, sockpuppet wheel, your threats are what people expect from a spurned
lover.

>> it's about your lack of manhood, sockpuppet. You
>> strike me as the kind of little boy who never matured out of playing
>> with lipstick.

> Arny, someone who resorts to calling people pedophiles because they
> got their ass kicked in a debate over audio is hardly one to talk
> about manhood.

First you'd have to kick my ass in a debate, sockpuppet wheel.

>>> Or do you have just enough moral awareness to be
>>> to ashamed to admit this fact to your fellow church goers?

>> Like I said sockpuppet, given that you cower in fear of me, even
>> though I'm at last 1,800 miles away, your paranoia has obviously
>> risen to unmanageable heights.

> You really are nuts.

Your fear of normal interaction with humans is noted, sockpuppet wheel.

> Don't worry though. When this is over you'll
> have plenty to talk about in church.

Don't wait sockupppet wheel, unleash your threatened attacks now!

>> Let me explain your paranoia to the nice people, sockpuppet. Just
>> tell us what your profession is.

> Great explination Arny.

Yes, your inability to answer a simple question explains your paranoia quite
well, sockpuppet wheel.

>Makes as much sense as the rest of your bull****.

So when you going to tell us about your convictions as a sexual offfender,
sockpuppet wheel?

[Arny Krueger]

The Artist wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" emitted :
>
>>> The sound quality isn't low though.
>>
>> Sure it is. Three words: tic, pop, crackle.
>
> Two words : Rice Krispies.

I prefer listening to music.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/7/2004 11:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/7/2004 1:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>> Maybe you would learn more from my post if I cleared a few things
>>>> up that may be confusing for you. Beethoven was the composer of the
>>>> symphony in question. The 9th symphony was not the name of the
>>>> artist but the title of the composition. Solti was the conductor,
>>>> not the composer or the title of the composition.
>>>
>>> I'm glad that you have just learned this, Sockpuppet wheel.
>>>
>>
>> I've known it for quite some time Arny. I was just trying to keep you
>> filled in to prevent any more Fold es Eg ****ups on your part.
>
>Sorry that your pathological obsession with me has not been cured,
>sockpuppet wheel.
>
>>>> BTW, how's your libel suit against me
>>>>> coming?
>
>>>> There is a status meeting on the thirteenth of May. I guess you
>>>> won't be there to face the music.
>
>>> There's no music to face.
>
>> In your fantasy world on line perhaps.
>
>Your pretense that an unknown alias was libeled proves that you life in a
>fantasy world, sockpuppet wheel.

This is simply a lie. You haven't got the balls to argue this lie in court so
you stay away. No wonder you talk about manhood and cowardice so much. You are
projecting your own deficiencies.

>
>>The court will rule on this matter without consideration of your
>fantasies.
>
>Works for me!
>

We will see.


>>> I wonder what the court will think if you finally
>>> admit that the entity that was allegedly libeled was an unknown
>>> alias that you made up?
>
>> I am simply going to let the judge read the complaint which is
>> entirely truthful.
>
>It was a pack of lies and deceptions. Let's if the court can determine what
>sort of habitual liar you are, sockpuppet wheel.
>

Lets see if you will stick tothis position when there is a ruling. I'm sure you
will sing another tune when you loose. After all, you are the one who claims
google lies to you. I'm sure you will say the same about the courts.


>>You haven't got the balls to try to peddle your
>> lies in a real court so the judge will never hear this line of
>> bull**** you posted above.
>
>I'm just giving the Superior Court of LA credit for being able to see
>thorugh your lies and decptions.
>

You are just fantasizing again.


>>>> Do you tell people at your church that
>>>> you make false accusations of pedophilia against those with whom you
>>>> disagree on audio?
>
>>> It's not about audio,
>
>> It was about audio until you took it to the gutter and beyond with
>> your false accusations of pedophilia.
>
>How may convictions of pedophilia have you had, sockpuppet wheel? If you had
>nothing to fear you would not be so hypersensitive.
>

None. But that didn't stop yoiu from libeling me did it? You are a sociopathic
****.


>>I guess your attempt to dodge
>> the question pretty much answers the question.
>
>No dodge,
Liar. You didn't answer the question. No wonder you don't want to face a judge.
I can just see you trying to tap dance around simple questions like this one in
a court room.


just facts about your lack of normal adult levels of
>self-confidence.
>

You wouldn't know a fact even if it bit you in the ass. This has been cleary
demonstrated on RAO.


>>You are too ashamed to
>> admit to your fellow church goers what you have done on RAO.
>
>A false claim.

Prove it.


>
>>I think
>> one of the things I will do when I get the ruling on this case is
>> send a copy of the suit and the ruling along with some choice posts
>> of yours to your church.
>
>Do it now!

Give me the address of your church and name of the head of your church and I
will.


>
>BTW, sockpuppet wheel, your threats are what people expect from a spurned
>lover.
>
>>> it's about your lack of manhood, sockpuppet. You
>>> strike me as the kind of little boy who never matured out of playing
>>> with lipstick.
>
>> Arny, someone who resorts to calling people pedophiles because they
>> got their ass kicked in a debate over audio is hardly one to talk
>> about manhood.
>
>First you'd have to kick my ass in a debate, sockpuppet wheel.

Been there, done that. Many many times.


>
>>>> Or do you have just enough moral awareness to be
>>>> to ashamed to admit this fact to your fellow church goers?
>
>>> Like I said sockpuppet, given that you cower in fear of me, even
>>> though I'm at last 1,800 miles away, your paranoia has obviously
>>> risen to unmanageable heights.
>
>> You really are nuts.
>
>Your fear of normal interaction with humans is noted, sockpuppet wheel.
>

Your failed logic is noted.


>> Don't worry though. When this is over you'll
>> have plenty to talk about in church.
>
>Don't wait sockupppet wheel, unleash your threatened attacks now!
>

Post the address and it will be done. Chicken? Put up or shut up.


>>> Let me explain your paranoia to the nice people, sockpuppet. Just
>>> tell us what your profession is.
>
>> Great explination Arny.
>
>Yes, your inability to answer a simple question explains your paranoia quite
>well, sockpuppet wheel.

I am quite able to answer the question Arny and I have done so when asked by
nonsociopaths. Besides it is a lot funnier to see you make an ass of yourself
over this issue.


>
>>Makes as much sense as the rest of your bull****.
>
>So when you going to tell us about your convictions as a sexual offfender,
>sockpuppet wheel?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I have never been convicted or accused of any such offenses. But this will be
one more thing to show the judge when he decides your punishment for your
libel. You are amazingly ****ed up. Please post the address of your church so I
can send them a copy of the lawsuit.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/7/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>The Artist wrote:
>> "Arny Krueger" emitted :
>>
>>>> The sound quality isn't low though.
>>>
>>> Sure it is. Three words: tic, pop, crackle.
>>
>> Two words : Rice Krispies.
>
>I prefer listening to music.

Nah, you prefer making an ass of yourself on Usenet. Listen to any more Fold es
Eg recordings lately? LOL.

[Powell]

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote

> >> Good deal. My best MoFi buy was a few years ago at
> >> a record dealers' get-together. One of them had a NM
> >> copy of the Grateful Dead's American Beauty MoFi in a
> >. terribly beat up jacket at a bargain price because of the
> >> cover. Since I don't play the covers :), I gobbled it up.
> >>
> >I picked-up a new (not used) Mobile Fidelity version of
> >Pablo Cruise, A Place in the Sun (1977), last summer
> >from a small rural record store for $5. Also purchased
> >a new copy of The Doobie Brothers, Toulouse Street
> >(1972) for $3. The store has most of the trapping of a
> >70's style head shop. It was like taking a step back in
> >time... well, except the store manager, she had green
> >hair and numerous facial piercing :).
> >
>
> She was probably one of those digital bigots trying to
> cleanse her soul by casting out the unholy vinyl :).
>
> LOT'S!
>
I also picked up a black light poster, too. Many of the
old designs from the 70's are still in print. Digging
around in an old cardboard box I found my florescent
black light. It was fun recreating the 70's environment
including burning candles and strawberry incense.

While playing The Doors, The Doobies, Dylan and
Steppenwolf I was supprised with undiscovered thoughts
and memories from the past. The only missing element
was a bottle of Boons Farm. Thankfully, the higher
quality liquor and love making didn’t take away for the
overall experience :).

[Bruce J. Richman]

>Subject: Re: Beethoven's 9th conducted by Solti and myths about Decca/London
>records
>From: (S888Wheel)
>Date: 4/7/2004 2:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>>From: "Arny Krueger"
>>Date: 4/7/2004 11:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>S888Wheel wrote:
>>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>>> Date: 4/7/2004 1:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>> Message-id: >
>>>>
>>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>>> Maybe you would learn more from my post if I cleared a few things
>>>>> up that may be confusing for you. Beethoven was the composer of the
>>>>> symphony in question. The 9th symphony was not the name of the
>>>>> artist but the title of the composition. Solti was the conductor,
>>>>> not the composer or the title of the composition.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad that you have just learned this, Sockpuppet wheel.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've known it for quite some time Arny. I was just trying to keep you
>>> filled in to prevent any more Fold es Eg ****ups on your part.
>>
>>Sorry that your pathological obsession with me has not been cured,
>>sockpuppet wheel.
>>
>>>>> BTW, how's your libel suit against me
>>>>>> coming?
>>
>>>>> There is a status meeting on the thirteenth of May. I guess you
>>>>> won't be there to face the music.
>>
>>>> There's no music to face.
>>
>>> In your fantasy world on line perhaps.
>>
>>Your pretense that an unknown alias was libeled proves that you life in a
>>fantasy world, sockpuppet wheel.
>
>This is simply a lie. You haven't got the balls to argue this lie in court so
>you stay away. No wonder you talk about manhood and cowardice so much. You
>are
>projecting your own deficiencies.
>
>>
>>>The court will rule on this matter without consideration of your
>>fantasies.
>>
>>Works for me!
>>
>
>We will see.
>
>
>>>> I wonder what the court will think if you finally
>>>> admit that the entity that was allegedly libeled was an unknown
>>>> alias that you made up?
>>
>>> I am simply going to let the judge read the complaint which is
>>> entirely truthful.
>>
>>It was a pack of lies and deceptions. Let's if the court can determine what
>>sort of habitual liar you are, sockpuppet wheel.
>>
>
>Lets see if you will stick tothis position when there is a ruling. I'm sure
>you
>will sing another tune when you loose. After all, you are the one who claims
>google lies to you. I'm sure you will say the same about the courts.
>
>
>>>You haven't got the balls to try to peddle your
>>> lies in a real court so the judge will never hear this line of
>>> bull**** you posted above.
>>
>>I'm just giving the Superior Court of LA credit for being able to see
>>thorugh your lies and decptions.
>>
>
>You are just fantasizing again.
>
>
>>>>> Do you tell people at your church that
>>>>> you make false accusations of pedophilia against those with whom you
>>>>> disagree on audio?
>>
>>>> It's not about audio,
>>
>>> It was about audio until you took it to the gutter and beyond with
>>> your false accusations of pedophilia.
>>
>>How may convictions of pedophilia have you had, sockpuppet wheel? If you had
>>nothing to fear you would not be so hypersensitive.
>>
>
>None. But that didn't stop yoiu from libeling me did it? You are a
>sociopathic
>****.
>
>
>>>I guess your attempt to dodge
>>> the question pretty much answers the question.
>>
>>No dodge,
>Liar. You didn't answer the question. No wonder you don't want to face a
>judge.
>I can just see you trying to tap dance around simple questions like this one
>in
>a court room.
>
>
> just facts about your lack of normal adult levels of
>>self-confidence.
>>
>
>You wouldn't know a fact even if it bit you in the ass. This has been cleary
>demonstrated on RAO.
>
>
>>>You are too ashamed to
>>> admit to your fellow church goers what you have done on RAO.
>>
>>A false claim.
>
>Prove it.
>
>
>>
>>>I think
>>> one of the things I will do when I get the ruling on this case is
>>> send a copy of the suit and the ruling along with some choice posts
>>> of yours to your church.
>>
>>Do it now!
>
>Give me the address of your church and name of the head of your church and I
>will.
>
>
>>
>>BTW, sockpuppet wheel, your threats are what people expect from a spurned
>>lover.
>>
>>>> it's about your lack of manhood, sockpuppet. You
>>>> strike me as the kind of little boy who never matured out of playing
>>>> with lipstick.
>>
>>> Arny, someone who resorts to calling people pedophiles because they
>>> got their ass kicked in a debate over audio is hardly one to talk
>>> about manhood.
>>
>>First you'd have to kick my ass in a debate, sockpuppet wheel.
>
>Been there, done that. Many many times.
>
>
>>
>>>>> Or do you have just enough moral awareness to be
>>>>> to ashamed to admit this fact to your fellow church goers?
>>
>>>> Like I said sockpuppet, given that you cower in fear of me, even
>>>> though I'm at last 1,800 miles away, your paranoia has obviously
>>>> risen to unmanageable heights.
>>
>>> You really are nuts.
>>
>>Your fear of normal interaction with humans is noted, sockpuppet wheel.
>>
>
>Your failed logic is noted.
>
>
>>> Don't worry though. When this is over you'll
>>> have plenty to talk about in church.
>>
>>Don't wait sockupppet wheel, unleash your threatened attacks now!
>>
>
>Post the address and it will be done. Chicken? Put up or shut up.
>
>
>>>> Let me explain your paranoia to the nice people, sockpuppet. Just
>>>> tell us what your profession is.
>>
>>> Great explination Arny.
>>
>>Yes, your inability to answer a simple question explains your paranoia quite
>>well, sockpuppet wheel.
>
>I am quite able to answer the question Arny and I have done so when asked by
>nonsociopaths. Besides it is a lot funnier to see you make an ass of yourself
>over this issue.
>
>
>>
>>>Makes as much sense as the rest of your bull****.
>>
>>So when you going to tell us about your convictions as a sexual offfender,
>>sockpuppet wheel?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>I have never been convicted or accused of any such offenses. But this will be
>one more thing to show the judge when he decides your punishment for your
>libel. You are amazingly ****ed up. Please post the address of your church so
>I
>can send them a copy of the lawsuit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

IIRC, Krueger has posted the web site for his church on RAO some time ago.
Whether he still belongs there, of course, is unknown, but it might be worth
checking out.





Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

The Artist wrote:


>"Arny Monster Krueger" emitted :
>
>>Your uncontrolled drooling is not my fault, Weil. If you hadn't rotted out
>>your brain with all those illegal drugs, you would probably be able to avoid
>>ruining keyboards with drool.
>
>Projection.
>
>
>--
>S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
>
>
>
>
>
>

Prove it. :)



Bruce J. Richman

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/7/2004 11:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>>> Date: 4/7/2004 1:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>> Message-id: >
>>>>
>>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>>> Maybe you would learn more from my post if I cleared a few things
>>>>> up that may be confusing for you. Beethoven was the composer of
>>>>> the symphony in question. The 9th symphony was not the name of the
>>>>> artist but the title of the composition. Solti was the conductor,
>>>>> not the composer or the title of the composition.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad that you have just learned this, Sockpuppet wheel.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've known it for quite some time Arny. I was just trying to keep
>>> you filled in to prevent any more Fold es Eg ****ups on your part.
>>
>> Sorry that your pathological obsession with me has not been cured,
>> sockpuppet wheel.
>>
>>>>> BTW, how's your libel suit against me
>>>>>> coming?
>>
>>>>> There is a status meeting on the thirteenth of May. I guess you
>>>>> won't be there to face the music.
>>
>>>> There's no music to face.
>>
>>> In your fantasy world on line perhaps.

>> Your pretense that an unknown alias was libeled proves that you life
>> in a fantasy world, sockpuppet wheel.

> This is simply a lie. You haven't got the balls to argue this lie in
> court so you stay away.

It's not a lie. Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of the
purported libel?

>No wonder you talk about manhood and
> cowardice so much. You are projecting your own deficiencies.

Letsee sockpuppet. You are too much of a coward to even reveal here what you
do for a living.

>>> The court will rule on this matter without consideration of your
>> fantasies.
>>
>> Works for me!
>>
>
> We will see.

Indeed.

>>>> I wonder what the court will think if you finally
>>>> admit that the entity that was allegedly libeled was an unknown
>>>> alias that you made up?

>>> I am simply going to let the judge read the complaint which is
>>> entirely truthful.

>> It was a pack of lies and deceptions. Let's if the court can
>> determine what sort of habitual liar you are, sockpuppet wheel.

> Lets see if you will stick to this position when there is a ruling.

It's up to the court, not me.

> I'm sure you will sing another tune when you loose. After all, you
> are the one who claims google lies to you. I'm sure you will say the
> same about the courts.

So far I haven't seen any evidence that you are telling the court all of the
relevant facts. However, I think they will be able to see through your
double-talk.

>>> You haven't got the balls to try to peddle your
>>> lies in a real court so the judge will never hear this line of
>>> bull**** you posted above.

>> I'm just giving the Superior Court of LA credit for being able to see
>> thorugh your lies and decptions.

> You are just fantasizing again.

What, I'm fantasizing that they are competent?

LOL!

>>>>> Do you tell people at your church that
>>>>> you make false accusations of pedophilia against those with whom
>>>>> you disagree on audio?

>>>> It's not about audio,

>>> It was about audio until you took it to the gutter and beyond with
>>> your false accusations of pedophilia.

>> How may convictions of pedophilia have you had, sockpuppet wheel? If
>> you had nothing to fear you would not be so hypersensitive.

> None.

Prove it.

> But that didn't stop yoiu from libeling me did it?

I posted a reply from an anonymous alias that you made up for the purpose of
deceiving people about your true identity, sockpuppet wheel.

>You are a sociopathic ****.

Sorry that you are so strung out about this matter that you can't keep a
civil tongue, sockpuppet.

End of discussion!

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/7/2004 12:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/7/2004 11:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>>>> Date: 4/7/2004 1:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>>> Message-id: >
>>>>>
>>>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe you would learn more from my post if I cleared a few things
>>>>>> up that may be confusing for you. Beethoven was the composer of
>>>>>> the symphony in question. The 9th symphony was not the name of the
>>>>>> artist but the title of the composition. Solti was the conductor,
>>>>>> not the composer or the title of the composition.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad that you have just learned this, Sockpuppet wheel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've known it for quite some time Arny. I was just trying to keep
>>>> you filled in to prevent any more Fold es Eg ****ups on your part.
>>>
>>> Sorry that your pathological obsession with me has not been cured,
>>> sockpuppet wheel.
>>>
>>>>>> BTW, how's your libel suit against me
>>>>>>> coming?
>>>
>>>>>> There is a status meeting on the thirteenth of May. I guess you
>>>>>> won't be there to face the music.
>>>
>>>>> There's no music to face.
>>>
>>>> In your fantasy world on line perhaps.
>
>>> Your pretense that an unknown alias was libeled proves that you life
>>> in a fantasy world, sockpuppet wheel.
>
>> This is simply a lie. You haven't got the balls to argue this lie in
>> court so you stay away.
>
>It's not a lie.

Yes it is

Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of the
>purported libel?

I was posting under my email address which is a matter of public record. I can
be identified by my email address. Thanks for showing a complete lack of
understanding of the laws of libel.Oh, and yes, this will all be presented to
the judge.


>
>>No wonder you talk about manhood and
>> cowardice so much. You are projecting your own deficiencies.
>
>Letsee sockpuppet. You are too much of a coward to even reveal here what you
>do for a living.
>

Nope. You are simply to amusing in your inability to figure it out. I have no
intention of ending that joke at your expense.


>>>> The court will rule on this matter without consideration of your
>>> fantasies.
>>>
>>> Works for me!
>>>
>>
>> We will see.
>
>Indeed.
>
>>>>> I wonder what the court will think if you finally
>>>>> admit that the entity that was allegedly libeled was an unknown
>>>>> alias that you made up?
>
>>>> I am simply going to let the judge read the complaint which is
>>>> entirely truthful.
>
>>> It was a pack of lies and deceptions. Let's if the court can
>>> determine what sort of habitual liar you are, sockpuppet wheel.
>
>> Lets see if you will stick to this position when there is a ruling.
>
>It's up to the court, not me.
>

No, you can change your tune. You will after the court rules against you. That
is an easy prediction.


>> I'm sure you will sing another tune when you loose. After all, you
>> are the one who claims google lies to you. I'm sure you will say the
>> same about the courts.
>
>So far I haven't seen any evidence that you are telling the court all of the
>relevant facts. However, I think they will be able to see through your
>double-talk.
>

There is no double talk to see through. You just don't understand the laws of
libel. But, as you say, you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.


>>>> You haven't got the balls to try to peddle your
>>>> lies in a real court so the judge will never hear this line of
>>>> bull**** you posted above.
>
>>> I'm just giving the Superior Court of LA credit for being able to see
>>> thorugh your lies and decptions.
>
>> You are just fantasizing again.
>
>What, I'm fantasizing that they are competent?
>
>LOL!

Are you really this stupid?


>
>>>>>> Do you tell people at your church that
>>>>>> you make false accusations of pedophilia against those with whom
>>>>>> you disagree on audio?
>
>>>>> It's not about audio,
>
>>>> It was about audio until you took it to the gutter and beyond with
>>>> your false accusations of pedophilia.
>
>>> How may convictions of pedophilia have you had, sockpuppet wheel? If
>>> you had nothing to fear you would not be so hypersensitive.
>
>> None.
>
>Prove it.

**** you sociopath. Prove your wife doesn't beat you on a daily basis. Prove
you aren't ****ing idiot. Prove you haven't been stalking me since I filed this
lawsuit. Prove you aren't ashamed of yourself by posting the address of your
church.


>
>> But that didn't stop yoiu from libeling me did it?
>
>I posted a reply from an anonymous alias that you made up for the purpose of
>deceiving people about your true identity, sockpuppet wheel.

You are amazingly stupid. Try saying this again without ****ing up the English.
As it stands one cannot tell if you are calling me or yourself an anonymous
sockpuppet.


>
>>You are a sociopathic ****.
>
>Sorry that you are so strung out about this matter that you can't keep a
>civil tongue, sockpuppet.
>
>End of discussion!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Until the 13th of May. Funny that someone who calls people pedophiles because
he has had his ass kicked in a debate over audio would talk about civility. I
guess you don't really want me sending a copy of this lawsuit to your church.
You didn't give me the address.

[Marc Phillips]

S888Wheel said:

>>Do it now!
>
>Give me the address of your church and name of the head of your church and I
>will.
>

The last time I mentioned something about reporting Arny's behavior to his
church, about three people e-mailed me with the church's website. Hint:
Reverend Wick is now in Minnesota. Pastor Matt is the guy to talk to.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of the
>purported libel?

But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time. That's the crux of
the case, which you continue to ignore. That's why you will lose the case,
****head.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

S888Wheel said:

>**** you sociopath. Prove your wife doesn't beat you on a daily basis. Prove
>you aren't ****ing idiot. Prove you haven't been stalking me since I filed
>this
>lawsuit. Prove you aren't ashamed of yourself by posting the address of your
>church.

Okay, okay, you've twisted my arm.

21336 Mack Avenue Grosse Pointe Woods, MI 48236 Church Office: (313) 881-3343

Pastor Matthew Swiatek is the guy you want to talk to.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

The Artist said:

>"Arny Monster Krueger" emitted :
>
>>> Two words : Rice Krispies.
>>
>>I prefer listening to music.
>
>I don't have a preference either way, but I do like listening to music
>and I do like Rice Krispies.
>
>What is your preferred cake, ****?

Either that, or urinal cakes. Depends if he's feeling ****ty or ****y.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Arny said:
>
>> Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>> exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of
>> the purported libel?

> But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time.

So what. It wasn't public knowledge.

> That's the crux of the case, which you continue to ignore.

I've given it more attention than it deserves.

>That's why you will lose the case, ****head.

Inability to discuss *anything* in an adult manner noted.

It's people like Marc Phillips who have made RAO the most despised of all
audio newsgroups.

[Arny Krueger]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> S888Wheel said:
>
>>> Do it now!
>>
>> Give me the address of your church and name of the head of your
>> church and I will.
>>
>
> The last time I mentioned something about reporting Arny's behavior
> to his church, about three people e-mailed me with the church's
> website. Hint: Reverend Wick is now in Minnesota. Pastor Matt is
> the guy to talk to.

Wrong, out of date.

LOL!

[S888Wheel]

>From: (Marc Phillips)
>Date: 4/8/2004 4:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel said:
>
>>**** you sociopath. Prove your wife doesn't beat you on a daily basis. Prove
>>you aren't ****ing idiot. Prove you haven't been stalking me since I filed
>>this
>>lawsuit. Prove you aren't ashamed of yourself by posting the address of your
>>church.
>
>Okay, okay, you've twisted my arm.
>
>21336 Mack Avenue Grosse Pointe Woods, MI 48236 Church Office: (313) 881-3343
>
>
>Pastor Matthew Swiatek is the guy you want to talk to.
>
>Boon

Funny that Arny begged me to send a copy to his church but refused to offer
this address. Thanks. I will send a copy after I get the judgement. I figure it
will make a better package that way. I will include a few choice excerpts from
Arny's various posts as well. Hey, Arny isn't ashamed of his behavior and he
told me to go ahead and send these things to his church so he has nothing to
worry about.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/8/2004 4:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Arny said:
>>
>>> Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>>> exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of
>>> the purported libel?
>
>> But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time.
>
>So what. It wasn't public knowledge.
>

Wrong.

>
>> That's the crux of the case, which you continue to ignore.
>
>I've given it more attention than it deserves.

We'll see if you still feel that way when it is over.

>
>>That's why you will lose the case, ****head.
>
>Inability to discuss *anything* in an adult manner noted.
>
>It's people like Marc Phillips who have made RAO the most despised of all
>audio newsgroups.

Gosh Arny, Why don't you take credit for your one of your few acomplishments in
life?

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/8/2004 4:17 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> S888Wheel said:
>>
>>>> Do it now!
>>>
>>> Give me the address of your church and name of the head of your
>>> church and I will.
>>>
>>
>> The last time I mentioned something about reporting Arny's behavior
>> to his church, about three people e-mailed me with the church's
>> website. Hint: Reverend Wick is now in Minnesota. Pastor Matt is
>> the guy to talk to.
>
>Wrong, out of date.
>
>LOL!

Fine then update the information. Or were you lying when you said you wanted me
to "send it now?"

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>> Date: 4/8/2004 4:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> S888Wheel said:
>>
>>> **** you sociopath. Prove your wife doesn't beat you on a daily
>>> basis. Prove you aren't ****ing idiot. Prove you haven't been
>>> stalking me since I filed this

Unlike your friends Phillips and Atkinson, I just go to the Los Angeles very
often. I haven't been there this millennium or during the last decade of the
previous one. In contrast sockpuppet, your buddies have bragged about
stalking me in Detroit.

>>> lawsuit. Prove you aren't ashamed of yourself by posting the
>>> address of your church.

>> Okay, okay, you've twisted my arm.

>> 21336 Mack Avenue Grosse Pointe Woods, MI 48236 Church Office: (313)
>> 881-3343

Hardly an arm twist. Remember, Phillips is the same guy who wrote here of
waiting in a cheap motel near Detroit for a good moment to gun me down.

>> Pastor Matthew Swiatek is the guy you want to talk to.

>> Boon

> Funny that Arny begged me to send a copy to his church but refused to
> offer this address.

It was your fault sockpuppet - you melted down before I got that far down
your post.

>Thanks. I will send a copy after I get the judgment.

Do it now.

> I figure it will make a better package that way. I will
> include a few choice excerpts from Arny's various posts as well.

The irony is that as vile and profane as you get sockpuppet, your friends
are so vile and profane themselves that they egg you on.

>Hey, Arny isn't ashamed of his behavior and he told me to go ahead and
> send these things to his church so he has nothing to worry about.

Be my guest. If anybody asks, I'll just explain it with a few listings of
your posts. They'll consider the source, and that will be that.

Or sockpuppet, are you so lacking in self-awareness that you don't know how
your own posts look to people who are not overwhelmed with
self-righteousness and hatred?

I figure that about the thirtieth time I show you using the F-word
sockpuppet....

LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/8/2004 4:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>> Arny said:
>>>
>>>> Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>>>> exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of
>>>> the purported libel?
>>
>>> But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time.
>>
>> So what. It wasn't public knowledge.

> Wrong.

Prove it. This is the part where you always fall apart in public. All you
have to do is to post your name, your address, and your occupation. All of
that information is well-known for me.

>>> That's the crux of the case, which you continue to ignore.
>>
>> I've given it more attention than it deserves.
>
> We'll see if you still feel that way when it is over.

I'm hoping they soak you for some more fees before they throw your case out.

>>> That's why you will lose the case, ****head.

>> Inability to discuss *anything* in an adult manner noted.

>> It's people like Marc Phillips who have made RAO the most despised
>> of all audio newsgroups.

> Gosh Arny, Why don't you take credit for your one of your few
> acomplishments in life?

I cannot tell a lie. People like you sockpuppet, and Marc Phillips ahve
made RAO the most despised of all audio newsgroups.

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/8/2004 4:17 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>> S888Wheel said:
>>>
>>>>> Do it now!
>>>>
>>>> Give me the address of your church and name of the head of your
>>>> church and I will.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The last time I mentioned something about reporting Arny's behavior
>>> to his church, about three people e-mailed me with the church's
>>> website. Hint: Reverend Wick is now in Minnesota. Pastor Matt is
>>> the guy to talk to.
>>
>> Wrong, out of date.
>>
>> LOL!

> Fine then update the information.

I'll do that when you post your address and occupation here.

>Or were you lying when you said you wanted me to "send it now?"

Nothing in life is free.

[S888Wheel]

>Decca/London records
>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/8/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>>> Date: 4/8/2004 4:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> S888Wheel said:
>>>
>>>> **** you sociopath. Prove your wife doesn't beat you on a daily
>>>> basis. Prove you aren't ****ing idiot. Prove you haven't been
>>>> stalking me since I filed this
>
>Unlike your friends Phillips and Atkinson, I just go to the Los Angeles very
>often.

WTF are you trying to say?

> I haven't been there this millennium or during the last decade of the
>previous one. In contrast sockpuppet, your buddies have bragged about
>stalking me in Detroit.
>

Thanks for admitting your wife beats you daily and you are a ****ing idiot.
LOts


>
>>>> lawsuit. Prove you aren't ashamed of yourself by posting the
>>>> address of your church.
>
>>> Okay, okay, you've twisted my arm.
>
>>> 21336 Mack Avenue Grosse Pointe Woods, MI 48236 Church Office: (313)
>>> 881-3343
>
>Hardly an arm twist. Remember, Phillips is the same guy who wrote here of
>waiting in a cheap motel near Detroit for a good moment to gun me down.
>

Thanks for admitting you are not man enough to prove you are not ashamed of
yourself. LOts

>
>>> Pastor Matthew Swiatek is the guy you want to talk to.
>
>>> Boon
>
>> Funny that Arny begged me to send a copy to his church but refused to
>> offer this address.
>
>It was your fault sockpuppet - you melted down before I got that far down
>your post.

Thanks for admitting you are not literate enough to understand a simple address
request. LOts

>
>>Thanks. I will send a copy after I get the judgment.
>
>Do it now.

Is this the correct address? Simple question.

>
>> I figure it will make a better package that way. I will
>> include a few choice excerpts from Arny's various posts as well.
>
>The irony is that as vile and profane as you get sockpuppet, your friends
>are so vile and profane themselves that they egg you on.
>

The irony is that someone who is so sociopathic that he makes false accusations
of pedophilia over loosing a debate on audio would presume to have a valid
opinion on what is vile and profane.

>
>>Hey, Arny isn't ashamed of his behavior and he told me to go ahead and
>> send these things to his church so he has nothing to worry about.
>
>Be my guest. If anybody asks, I'll just explain it with a few listings of
>your posts. They'll consider the source, and that will be that.

Confirm the name and the address and consider it done.

>
>Or sockpuppet, are you so lacking in self-awareness that you don't know how
>your own posts look to people who are not overwhelmed with
>self-righteousness and hatred?

Talk about irony.

>
>I figure that about the thirtieth time I show you using the F-word
>sockpuppet....
>
>LOL!

It is the best word to use when dealing with a sociopath such as yourself.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/8/2004 10:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/8/2004 4:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>>> Arny said:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>>>>> exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of
>>>>> the purported libel?
>>>
>>>> But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time.
>>>
>>> So what. It wasn't public knowledge.
>
>> Wrong.
>
>Prove it.

It has been proven. Just because you don't get it doesn't make it not true.

>This is the part where you always fall apart in public.

No, this is the part where you completely loose touch with reality.

> All you
>have to do is to post your name, your address, and your occupation.

You are amazingly clueless when it comes to the laws of libel. It seems you now
believe that one's address and occupation need to be known by you personally
for someone to be libeled. Your profoundly skewed egocentric POV is noted.
Unfortunately it puts you completely out of touch with reality.


>All of
>that information is well-known for me.

It is well known to many people. That is why your post was libelous. A simple
fact that seems to go right over your head every time. OTOH you have shown no
evidence of actually knowing what my occupation really is despite all the clues
that could lead the minimally competent person to that answer. Your inability
to find such an obvious fact has been a source of amusement for many of us on
RAO. I am not going to spoil that on going joke at your expense for the rest of
the RAO regulars. Jeez. You cannot even find the right prepositions to use most
of the time.

>
>>>> That's the crux of the case, which you continue to ignore.
>>>
>>> I've given it more attention than it deserves.
>>
>> We'll see if you still feel that way when it is over.
>
>I'm hoping they soak you for some more fees before they throw your case out.

You live in a fantasy world.

>
>>>> That's why you will lose the case, ****head.
>
>>> Inability to discuss *anything* in an adult manner noted.
>
>>> It's people like Marc Phillips who have made RAO the most despised
>>> of all audio newsgroups.
>
>> Gosh Arny, Why don't you take credit for your one of your few
>> acomplishments in life?

>
>I cannot tell a lie.

You just did.

>People like you sockpuppet, and Marc Phillips ahve
>made RAO the most despised of all audio newsgroups.
>

You do live in a fantasy world. But this is your world. Usenet. Sad.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/8/2004 10:15 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/8/2004 4:17 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>>> S888Wheel said:
>>>>
>>>>>> Do it now!
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me the address of your church and name of the head of your
>>>>> church and I will.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The last time I mentioned something about reporting Arny's behavior
>>>> to his church, about three people e-mailed me with the church's
>>>> website. Hint: Reverend Wick is now in Minnesota. Pastor Matt is
>>>> the guy to talk to.
>>>
>>> Wrong, out of date.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>
>> Fine then update the information.
>
>I'll do that when you post your address and occupation here.
>

LOL. IOW you don't really want me to send anything to your church. Thanks for
admitting your shame.


>>Or were you lying when you said you wanted me to "send it now?"
>
>Nothing in life is free.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

You asked me to send the lawsuit to your church. You obviously were lying about
wanting me to do this if you are not willing to confirm the address. I'll send
it to the address that Marc posted when the suit is concluded. If the address
were wrong you would have done one of your Usenet victory dances. You forget
how transparent you are.

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:

> You asked me to send the lawsuit to your church.

You may also soak your head. You have my permission.

> You obviously were
> lying about wanting me to do this if you are not willing to confirm
> the address.

No, it just gave me another opportunity to humiliate you in public by making
you look like the paranoid delusional sociopath that you are, sockpuppet.

[S888Wheel]

>Decca/London records
>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/8/2004 11:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>
>> You asked me to send the lawsuit to your church.
>
>You may also soak your head. You have my permission.
>
>> You obviously were
>> lying about wanting me to do this if you are not willing to confirm
>> the address.
>
>No, it just gave me another opportunity to humiliate you in public by making
>you look like the paranoid delusional sociopath that you are, sockpuppet.
>
>

And yet you only humiliate yourself in the proccess. You might want to work on
getting some original material. You still don't get the joke is completely at
your expense do you?

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> Decca/London records
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/8/2004 11:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>
>>> You asked me to send the lawsuit to your church.
>>
>> You may also soak your head. You have my permission.
>>
>>> You obviously were
>>> lying about wanting me to do this if you are not willing to confirm
>>> the address.
>>
>> No, it just gave me another opportunity to humiliate you in public
>> by making you look like the paranoid delusional sociopath that you
>> are, sockpuppet.

> And yet you only humiliate yourself in the proccess.

LOL!

>You might want to work on getting some original material.

I've got the best original material imaginable sockpuppet wheel - your
paranoid ranting.

>You still don't get the
> joke is completely at your expense do you?

Who has put up 100% of the cash so far?

Me or you?

Whose expense was that again?

LOL!

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>
>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Arny said:
>>
>>> Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>>> exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of
>>> the purported libel?
>
>> But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time.
>
>So what. It wasn't public knowledge.

"Public knowledge" doesn't enter into it. I know Scott Wheeler. He was at my
house. I have children. You called him a pedophile. There's the case right
there.

Or: Scott invited some of his friends to check out RAO to see the freakshow
(i.e. YOU). You called him a pedophile. He is well-known in his field. Now
his reputation is damaged. Oop, Arny, there's the case again.

Just because YOU don't know who he is doesn't matter. You're just too dumb to
think outside yourself. That's why you're going to lose.

>
>> That's the crux of the case, which you continue to ignore.
>
>I've given it more attention than it deserves.

It's going to be fun to watch you lose. And others will be lining up
afterward. You know that, don't you?
>
>>That's why you will lose the case, ****head.
>
>Inability to discuss *anything* in an adult manner noted.

That's how I talk to people with personalities like insolent teenage punks.

>
>It's people like Marc Phillips who have made RAO the most despised of all
>audio newsgroups.

Despised among pedophilic Internet geeks, you mean.

Boon

[S888Wheel]

>From: Lionel
>Date: 4/8/2004 11:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel - > - jeudi 8 Avril
>2004 18:56 wrote:
>
>> Funny that Arny begged me to send a copy to his church but refused to
>> offer this address. Thanks. I will send a copy after I get the judgement.
>> I figure it will make a better package that way. I will include a few
>> choice excerpts from Arny's various posts as well. Hey, Arny isn't ashamed
>> of his behavior and he told me to go ahead and send these things to his
>> church so he has nothing to worry about.
>
>This would confirm that you are a ****ing *******, not worst but not better
>than the behaviour that you pretend to contest with your law suit...
>I have not waited this confirmation to understand that.

Are you still trying to troll me? Aren't you tired of making an ass of
yourself? If you weren't in France working the sewers you'd be next. You are
every bit the sociopath that Arny is. You are a pathetic whiner to boot.

[S888Wheel]

>Decca/London records
>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/8/2004 12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> Decca/London records
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/8/2004 11:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>
>>>> You asked me to send the lawsuit to your church.
>>>
>>> You may also soak your head. You have my permission.
>>>
>>>> You obviously were
>>>> lying about wanting me to do this if you are not willing to confirm
>>>> the address.
>>>
>>> No, it just gave me another opportunity to humiliate you in public
>>> by making you look like the paranoid delusional sociopath that you
>>> are, sockpuppet.
>
>> And yet you only humiliate yourself in the proccess.
>
>LOL!

Did you finally get the joke? Not likely. Keep on making a fool of yourself.

>
>>You might want to work on getting some original material.
>
>I've got the best original material imaginable sockpuppet wheel - your
>paranoid ranting.

Failure to understand your own lack of originality is noted.

>
>>You still don't get the
>> joke is completely at your expense do you?
>
>Who has put up 100% of the cash so far?
>
>Me or you?

Failure to follow a thread subject is noted. My lawsuit against you is no joke.
Try to keep track of the subject matter being discussed. It makes you look
stupid when you forget what you are talking about or who you are talking to.

>
>Whose expense was that again?
>
>LOL!
>

We will see when it is over.

[S888Wheel]

>From: Lionel
>Date: 4/8/2004 3:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel - > - jeudi 8 Avril
>2004 23:57 wrote:
>
>>>From: Lionel
>>>Date: 4/8/2004 11:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: >
>>>
>>>S888Wheel - > - jeudi 8 Avril
>>>2004 18:56 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Funny that Arny begged me to send a copy to his church but refused to
>>>> offer this address. Thanks. I will send a copy after I get the
>>>> judgement. I figure it will make a better package that way. I will
>>>> include a few choice excerpts from Arny's various posts as well. Hey,
>>>> Arny isn't ashamed of his behavior and he told me to go ahead and send
>>>> these things to his church so he has nothing to worry about.
>>>
>>>This would confirm that you are a ****ing *******, not worst but not
>>>better than the behaviour that you pretend to contest with your law
>>>suit... I have not waited this confirmation to understand that.
>>
>> Are you still trying to troll me?
>
>Don't need to troll you, you are perfectly doing the job by yourself. :o)
>Have you calculated your post ratio audio vs. Krueger ?


Nope. But it is certainly higher than your audio vs. troll ratio.


>
>> Aren't you tired of making an ass of yourself? If you weren't in France
>> working the sewers you'd be next.
>
>After what you have said about my family I must say that you are very very
>*lucky* that I live in France.

No you are lucky. I see you don't take any responsibility for what you have
said about my family which is by an order of several magnitudes far worse than
anything I have said about yours. You are a hypocrite who talks a brave talk.
But you are all talk.


Since you are a wealthy guy I have already
>propose you to debate that with me.

Debate with a moronic sociopath? Debate with the French Arny Krueger? I'd
rather just scrape you off of my shoe.


>
>> You are every bit the sociopath that Arny is.
>
>Me a sociopath ? Why are you speaking about things that you don't
>understand.

Questions end in question marks. I understand very well what I am speaking of.

If I watch to the records, you have systematically insulted all
>the contributors who have contradicted or criticised your point of view.

Bull****.


>Who is a sociopath ?

Arny and you. Enjoy each other, no one else enjoys either of you.


>
>> You are a pathetic whiner to boot.
>
>I don't need to be an unforgettable experience for you. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>

Don't worry, you are quite forgetable.

[S888Wheel]

>From: Lionel
>Date: 4/8/2004 11:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel - > - vendredi 9
>Avril 2004 06:41 wrote:
>
>> Don't worry, you are quite forgetable.
>
>Perhaps you mean "forgettable" ? :o)
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yep.

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> Decca/London records
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/8/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>>>> Date: 4/8/2004 4:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>> Message-id: >
>
>>>> S888Wheel said:

>>>>> **** you sociopath.

Inability to communicate in a civil fashion noted. Obviously the writer is
full of self-hate. Judging by the increased hatred in his rhetoric, it is
clear that things are not going well for him.

>>>>>Prove your wife doesn't beat you on a daily basis.

That's a pretty odd demand. Autobiographical?

>>>>>Prove you aren't ****ing idiot.

Inability to communicate in a civil fashion noted.

>>>>> Prove you haven't been stalking me since I filed this

>> Unlike your friends Phillips and Atkinson, I just don't go to the Los
>> Angeles very often.

> WTF are you trying to say?

I'm trying to say that while they brag about their attempts to stalk me, I
couldn't be more disinterested.

>> I haven't been there this millennium or during the last decade of the
>> previous one. In contrast sockpuppet, your buddies have bragged about
>> stalking me in Detroit.

> Thanks for admitting your wife beats you daily and you are a ****ing
idiot.
> LOts

Irrational state of poster noted. Looks to me like the purported court case
has already been dismissed and sockpuppet wheel is trying to milk the
situation for whatever bile he can.

>>>>> lawsuit. Prove you aren't ashamed of yourself by posting the
>>>>> address of your church.
>>
>>>> Okay, okay, you've twisted my arm.
>>
>>>> 21336 Mack Avenue Grosse Pointe Woods, MI 48236 Church Office:
>>>> (313) 881-3343

>> Hardly an arm twist. Remember, Phillips is the same guy who wrote
>> here of waiting in a cheap motel near Detroit for a good moment to
>> gun me down.

> Thanks for admitting you are not man enough to prove you are not
> ashamed of yourself. LOts

Look sockpuppet wheel, you are so ashamed of yourself that you won't even
admit what your job is. You are just brimming over with self-hatred. Anybody
can see that!

>>>> Pastor Matthew Swiatek is the guy you want to talk to.

>>> Funny that Arny begged me to send a copy to his church but refused
>>> to offer this address.

>> It was your fault sockpuppet - you melted down before I got that far
>> down your post.

> Thanks for admitting you are not literate enough to understand a
> simple address request. LOts

Just show us that you are't so full of self-hate that you will admit
publicly what your job is.

>>> Thanks. I will send a copy after I get the judgment.

>> Do it now.

> Is this the correct address? Simple question.

There is a church at that address.

>>> I figure it will make a better package that way. I will
>>> include a few choice excerpts from Arny's various posts as well.

>> The irony is that as vile and profane as you get sockpuppet, your
>> friends are so vile and profane themselves that they egg you on.

> The irony is that someone who is so sociopathic that he makes false
> accusations of pedophilia over loosing a debate on audio would
> presume to have a valid opinion on what is vile and profane.

The irony is that you can't stand a single common insult that I have laughed
at 100's of times. There's nobody that has been called a pedophile as often
as I, yet I can take the childish name-calling like a man. In contract
sockpuppet, you've made this the defining event of your life and are trying
to wage battle in court. One insult, one lawsuit.

>>> Hey, Arny isn't ashamed of his behavior and he told me to go ahead
>>> and send these things to his church so he has nothing to worry
>>> about.

>> Be my guest. If anybody asks, I'll just explain it with a few
>> listings of your posts. They'll consider the source, and that will
>> be that.

> Confirm the name and the address and consider it done.

Asked and answered.


>> Or sockpuppet, are you so lacking in self-awareness that you don't
>> know how your own posts look to people who are not overwhelmed with
>> self-righteousness and hatred?

> Talk about irony.

Sockpuppet, you are the one who is sueing me in Californial Superior Court
over a single insult directed at an anonymous alias that you made up.

>> I figure that about the thirtieth time I show you using the F-word
>> sockpuppet....

>> LOL!

> It is the best word to use when dealing with a sociopath such as
yourself.

Given your willingness to do real harm to me in the real world, it is quite
obvious who is the true sociopath. Get help with that self-hatred problem
before it really damages you!

[Arny Krueger]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Arny said:
>
>>
>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>> Arny said:
>>>
>>>> Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>>>> exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of
>>>> the purported libel?

>>> But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time.

>> So what. It wasn't public knowledge.

> "Public knowledge" doesn't enter into it.

Sure it does. There is no such thing as secret libel. There can be no
damages to an anonymous persona.

>I know Scott Wheeler.

So what?

First off, which Scott Wheeler are you speaking of?

I don't know Scott Wheeler and have no reliable evidence of his connection
with an anonymous made-up alias that makes threats against me.

Nobody knows for sure who "S888wheel" is, not even you. That is unless you
are him!

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:

> My lawsuit against you is no joke.

Of course its a joke.

Libel of an unknown anonymous alias that you made up?

LOL!

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>
>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Arny said:
>>
>>>
>>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>>> Arny said:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>>>>> exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of
>>>>> the purported libel?
>
>>>> But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time.
>
>>> So what. It wasn't public knowledge.
>
>> "Public knowledge" doesn't enter into it.
>
>Sure it does. There is no such thing as secret libel. There can be no
>damages to an anonymous persona.
>
>>I know Scott Wheeler.
>
>So what?
>
>First off, which Scott Wheeler are you speaking of?
>
>I don't know Scott Wheeler and have no reliable evidence of his connection
>with an anonymous made-up alias that makes threats against me.
>
> Nobody knows for sure who "S888wheel" is, not even you. That is unless you
>are him!

Whatever. Learn it the hard way, dumb****.

Boon

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/9/2004 3:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> Decca/London records
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/8/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>>>>> Date: 4/8/2004 4:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>>> Message-id: >
>>
>>>>> S888Wheel said:
>
>>>>>> **** you sociopath.
>
>Inability to communicate in a civil fashion noted.

Civilized communication is reserved for civilized people. You don't qualify.

Obviously the writer is
>full of self-hate.

Once again your powers of deduction fail you. One of the few things you have
gotten right is the fact that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Judging by the increased hatred in his rhetoric, it is
>clear that things are not going well for him.

See above.


>
>>>>>>Prove your wife doesn't beat you on a daily basis.
>
>That's a pretty odd demand. Autobiographical?

I was making fun of you. Once again you didn't get the joke. Pathetic.


>
>>>>>>Prove you aren't ****ing idiot.
>
>Inability to communicate in a civil fashion noted.

Inability to recognize when you are being mocked noted. (Hint, I am still
mocking you.)

>
>>>>>> Prove you haven't been stalking me since I filed this
>
>>> Unlike your friends Phillips and Atkinson, I just don't go to the Los
>>> Angeles very often.
>
>> WTF are you trying to say?
>
>I'm trying to say that while they brag about their attempts to stalk me, I
>couldn't be more disinterested.

Inability to deal with your obsession with me noted. I wonder if Arny will ask
me about my occupation some time today?


>
>>> I haven't been there this millennium or during the last decade of the
>>> previous one. In contrast sockpuppet, your buddies have bragged about
>>> stalking me in Detroit.
>
>> Thanks for admitting your wife beats you daily and you are a ****ing
>idiot.
>> LOts
>
>Irrational state of poster noted.

Thanks for admitting you are irrational! LOts.

Looks to me like the purported court case
>has already been dismissed and sockpuppet wheel is trying to milk the
>situation for whatever bile he can.

Thanks for admitting you are irrational! LOts

>
>>>>>> lawsuit. Prove you aren't ashamed of yourself by posting the
>>>>>> address of your church.
>>>
>>>>> Okay, okay, you've twisted my arm.
>>>
>>>>> 21336 Mack Avenue Grosse Pointe Woods, MI 48236 Church Office:
>>>>> (313) 881-3343
>
>>> Hardly an arm twist. Remember, Phillips is the same guy who wrote
>>> here of waiting in a cheap motel near Detroit for a good moment to
>>> gun me down.
>
>> Thanks for admitting you are not man enough to prove you are not
>> ashamed of yourself. LOts
>
>Look sockpuppet wheel, you are so ashamed of yourself that you won't even
>admit what your job is.

I guess it didn't take all that long. Thanks for admitting you are an obsessed
stalker. LOts

You are just brimming over with self-hatred. Anybody
>can see that!

Thanks for admitting you are irrational. LOts.


>
>>>>> Pastor Matthew Swiatek is the guy you want to talk to.
>
>>>> Funny that Arny begged me to send a copy to his church but refused
>>>> to offer this address.
>
>>> It was your fault sockpuppet - you melted down before I got that far
>>> down your post.
>
>> Thanks for admitting you are not literate enough to understand a
>> simple address request. LOts
>
>Just show us that you are't so full of self-hate that you will admit
>publicly what your job is.

Thanks for admitting you are an obsessed stalker. LOts.

>
>>>> Thanks. I will send a copy after I get the judgment.
>
>>> Do it now.
>
>> Is this the correct address? Simple question.
>
>There is a church at that address.

Thanks for showing your lack of reading comprehension. LOts.

>
>>>> I figure it will make a better package that way. I will
>>>> include a few choice excerpts from Arny's various posts as well.
>
>>> The irony is that as vile and profane as you get sockpuppet, your
>>> friends are so vile and profane themselves that they egg you on.
>
>> The irony is that someone who is so sociopathic that he makes false
>> accusations of pedophilia over loosing a debate on audio would
>> presume to have a valid opinion on what is vile and profane.
>
>The irony is that you can't stand a single common insult that I have laughed
>at 100's of times. There's nobody that has been called a pedophile as often
>as I, yet I can take the childish name-calling like a man. In contract
>sockpuppet, you've made this the defining event of your life and are trying
>to wage battle in court. One insult, one lawsuit.

Thanks for showing you are irrational. LOts.


>
>>>> Hey, Arny isn't ashamed of his behavior and he told me to go ahead
>>>> and send these things to his church so he has nothing to worry
>>>> about.
>
>>> Be my guest. If anybody asks, I'll just explain it with a few
>>> listings of your posts. They'll consider the source, and that will
>>> be that.
>
>> Confirm the name and the address and consider it done.
>
>Asked and answered.
>
>

Prove it.

>>> Or sockpuppet, are you so lacking in self-awareness that you don't
>>> know how your own posts look to people who are not overwhelmed with
>>> self-righteousness and hatred?
>
>> Talk about irony.
>
>Sockpuppet, you are the one who is sueing me in Californial Superior Court
>over a single insult directed at an anonymous alias that you made up.

Thanks for showing your are irrational. LOts.


>
>>> I figure that about the thirtieth time I show you using the F-word
>>> sockpuppet....
>
>>> LOL!
>
>> It is the best word to use when dealing with a sociopath such as
>yourself.
>
>Given your willingness to do real harm to me in the real world, it is quite
>obvious who is the true sociopath. Get help with that self-hatred problem
>before it really damages you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks for showing you are irrational. LOts.

Did you get it this time?
>

[S888Wheel]

>Decca/London records
>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/9/2004 3:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Arny said:
>>
>>>
>>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>>> Arny said:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you have the guts to tell the court that you were posting
>>>>> exclusively under an unknown alias that you made up at the time of
>>>>> the purported libel?
>
>>>> But he wasn't. Many people knew who he was at the time.
>
>>> So what. It wasn't public knowledge.
>
>> "Public knowledge" doesn't enter into it.
>
>Sure it does. There is no such thing as secret libel. There can be no
>damages to an anonymous persona.

You remain willfuly ignorant. Good job.

>
>>I know Scott Wheeler.
>
>So what?
>
>First off, which Scott Wheeler are you speaking of?
>
>I don't know Scott Wheeler and have no reliable evidence of his connection
>with an anonymous made-up alias that makes threats against me.
>
> Nobody knows for sure who "S888wheel" is, not even you. That is unless you
>are him!

Amazingly willfuly ignorant. To bad you are to chicken **** to show up in court
to argue this nonsense. That would be funniest home video material for sure.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/9/2004 4:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>
>> My lawsuit against you is no joke.
>
>Of course its a joke.
>
>Libel of an unknown anonymous alias that you made up?
>
>LOL!

I guess a basic understanding of the laws of libel are simply beyond your
limmited intelect. But then you think google lies to you. I'm sure you have
already come up with some rationalization for when you loose this lawsuit.

[Bruce J. Richman]

George M. Middius wrote:


>Marc Phillips said to ****-for-Brains:
>
>> > Nobody knows for sure who "S888wheel" is, not even you. That is unless
>you
>> >are him!
>>
>> Whatever. Learn it the hard way, dumb****.
>
>Maybe Arnii doesn't believe in the existence of the California Superior
>Court either. If that's the case, all his paranoia and delusions would
>fit together neatly: Usenet is the "real world", and actual reality is
>just a fantasy to which Krooger has no ties.
>
>I wonder why duh-Mikey isn't trying to help his buddy out of this one.
>
>
>
>
>

Well, with all the time d-M spends on pretending to be one of the Republican
Party's attack dogs by making unsubstantiated false claims against practically
all posts from those who disagree with his anti-Democrat, anti-liberal
propaganda, he probably has very little obnoxious hatred and bull**** directed
towards others left in his obviously limited hatemonger tool box. And what's
left, of course, he tends to spew towards me in his never-ending quest to
demonstrate his laughable need to libel and lie about others.

I have no doubt that he'll be back idolizing, defending, and copying his role
model Krueger's behavior very soon.



Bruce J. Richman

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:

> Amazingly willfuly ignorant. To bad you are to chicken **** to show
> up in court to argue this nonsense. That would be funniest home video
> material for sure.

Just for the sake of the bystanders, the court in question is about 2,000
miles from where I live.

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>S888Wheel wrote:
>
>> Amazingly willfuly ignorant. To bad you are to chicken **** to show
>> up in court to argue this nonsense. That would be funniest home video
>> material for sure.
>
>Just for the sake of the bystanders, the court in question is about 2,000
>miles from where I live.

Yes, but your church is right around the corner.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Arny said:
>
>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>
>>> Amazingly willfuly ignorant. To bad you are to chicken **** to show
>>> up in court to argue this nonsense. That would be funniest home
>>> video material for sure.
>>
>> Just for the sake of the bystanders, the court in question is about
>> 2,000 miles from where I live.
>
> Yes, but your church is right around the corner.

Wrong again.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/9/2004 8:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>
>> Amazingly willfuly ignorant. To bad you are to chicken **** to show
>> up in court to argue this nonsense. That would be funniest home video
>> material for sure.
>
>Just for the sake of the bystanders, the court in question is about 2,000
>miles from where I live.

Just for the sake of bystanders, if your assertions about this case were true
you'd get a trip to LA on my tab. The court would order me to cover your costs
if my lawsuit were as frivalous as you claim. Bottom line. You are too chicken
to face a real court on this issue.

[Arny Krueger]

S888Wheel wrote:
>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 4/9/2004 8:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>
>>> Amazingly willfuly ignorant. To bad you are to chicken **** to show
>>> up in court to argue this nonsense. That would be funniest home
>>> video material for sure.
>>
>> Just for the sake of the bystanders, the court in question is about
>> 2,000 miles from where I live.
>
> Just for the sake of bystanders, if your assertions about this case
> were true you'd get a trip to LA on my tab.

If you agreed with my assertions, there would be no lawsuit.

So get real, will you bozo?

>The court would order me to cover your costs if my lawsuit were as
frivalous as you claim.

Good thing for you my costs are zero.

> Bottom line. You are too chicken to face a real court on this issue.

Bottom line I don't have the money to waste on your frivolous lawsuit. But
do enjoy your party!

;-)

[S888Wheel]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 4/9/2004 1:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>S888Wheel wrote:
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 4/9/2004 8:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amazingly willfuly ignorant. To bad you are to chicken **** to show
>>>> up in court to argue this nonsense. That would be funniest home
>>>> video material for sure.
>>>
>>> Just for the sake of the bystanders, the court in question is about
>>> 2,000 miles from where I live.
>>
>> Just for the sake of bystanders, if your assertions about this case
>> were true you'd get a trip to LA on my tab.
>
>If you agreed with my assertions, there would be no lawsuit.
>
>So get real, will you bozo?

You continue to amaze me with your stupidity. It doesn't matter if *I* agree
with your assertions. It matters if the Judge agrees. Obviiously you are too
afraid to test them infront of a real judge.

>
>>The court would order me to cover your costs if my lawsuit were as
>frivalous as you claim.
>
>Good thing for you my costs are zero.

Good thing for you actually. At least for now. Lets not forget you have
expressed a desire to run up my bill. Obviously you lack the balls to come here
and face a judge. If you were right in your assertions you would run up quite a
bill for me. Chicken.

>
>> Bottom line. You are too chicken to face a real court on this issue.
>
>Bottom line I don't have the money to waste on your frivolous lawsuit. But
>do enjoy your party!
>
>;-)

OK you are poor. But you obviously don't believe your bull**** or you would
show up and run up my bill. It would cost you nothing in the end.

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Arny said:
>>
>>> S888Wheel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amazingly willfuly ignorant. To bad you are to chicken **** to show
>>>> up in court to argue this nonsense. That would be funniest home
>>>> video material for sure.
>>>
>>> Just for the sake of the bystanders, the court in question is about
>>> 2,000 miles from where I live.
>>
>> Yes, but your church is right around the corner.
>
>Wrong again.

So tell us...why are you flitting from church to church? Is it because you're
known sex offender, and nobody wants you in their congregation?

Boon