So who's *really* "weak on defense"?

[Sandman]

You guessed it: Dubya

His "war on terror" a "miserable failure":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/03/20_ending.html

[Walter Bushell]

In article >,
"Sandman" > wrote:

> You guessed it: Dubya
>
> His "war on terror" a "miserable failure":
>
> http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/03/20_ending.html

Yeah, "Are you safer now than you were 4 years ago?".

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Walter Bushell said:
>
> > > His "war on terror" a "miserable failure":
>
> > Yeah, "Are you safer now than you were 4 years ago?".
>
> Who the hell knows? The one thing everybody does know is that we have
> the most secretive government in more than a century.
>
> Another question you might consider: Is the next generation going to
> be as secure financially and economically as the current ones? Dubya's
> greed-driven policies are undermining America's middle class.

America's middle class has been declining or stagnant for
much longer than Bush has been in power.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Christ. Who took Scottie's chew toy?
>
> > > Another question you might consider: Is the next generation going to
> > > be as secure financially and economically as the current ones?
Dubya's
> > > greed-driven policies are undermining America's middle class.
>
> > America's middle class
>
> No, you may not speak. Roll over! Play dead!

The motto of freedom loving liberal left:

Agree or be silent.

ScottW

[Joseph Oberlander]

ScottW wrote:

> The motto of freedom loving liberal left:
>
> Agree or be silent.
>
> ScottW

Actually, it's "Agree or be sued"

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Lionel Chapuis > wrote:

> ScottW - mardi 30 Mars 2004 04:32 - <u%4ac.10849$Rh.3241@fed1read05> wrote:
>
>
> LOL ! This is the most naive thing I've never read from you Scott.
>
> Middius doesn't belong to the "liberal left". This is just the romantic,
> frustrated and fruitless caricatural consequence of his homosexuality in a
> puritan country.
> His "left liberal" appurtenance is an *instinctive opportunist* choice which
> has nothing to do with philosophy but just depends on which is the most
> favorable environment to his abnormal sexuality.
>
> Remember the famous Pasolini's movie ?

"The Log Cabin Republicans"?

Stephen

[Lionel]

MINe 109 wrote:

> In article >,
> Lionel Chapuis > wrote:
>
>
>>ScottW - mardi 30 Mars 2004 04:32 - <u%4ac.10849$Rh.3241@fed1read05> wrote:
>>
>>
>>LOL ! This is the most naive thing I've never read from you Scott.
>>
>>Middius doesn't belong to the "liberal left". This is just the romantic,
>>frustrated and fruitless caricatural consequence of his homosexuality in a
>>puritan country.
>>His "left liberal" appurtenance is an *instinctive opportunist* choice which
>>has nothing to do with philosophy but just depends on which is the most
>>favorable environment to his abnormal sexuality.
>>
>>Remember the famous Pasolini's movie ?
>
>
> "The Log Cabin Republicans"?

Parla italiano ?
http://www.pasolini.net/

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Lionel > wrote:

> MINe 109 wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Lionel Chapuis > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>ScottW - mardi 30 Mars 2004 04:32 - <u%4ac.10849$Rh.3241@fed1read05> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>LOL ! This is the most naive thing I've never read from you Scott.
> >>
> >>Middius doesn't belong to the "liberal left". This is just the romantic,
> >>frustrated and fruitless caricatural consequence of his homosexuality in a
> >>puritan country.
> >>His "left liberal" appurtenance is an *instinctive opportunist* choice which
> >>has nothing to do with philosophy but just depends on which is the most
> >>favorable environment to his abnormal sexuality.
> >>
> >>Remember the famous Pasolini's movie ?
> >
> >
> > "The Log Cabin Republicans"?
>
> Parla italiano ?
> http://www.pasolini.net/

Pasolini, he's no conformist.

http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/about.html

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Lionel Chapuis > wrote:

> MINe 109 - mardi 30 Mars 2004 16:35 -
> > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Lionel > wrote:
> >
> >> MINe 109 wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article >,
> >> > Lionel Chapuis > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>ScottW - mardi 30 Mars 2004 04:32 - <u%4ac.10849$Rh.3241@fed1read05>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>LOL ! This is the most naive thing I've never read from you Scott.
> >> >>
> >> >>Middius doesn't belong to the "liberal left". This is just the
> >> >>romantic, frustrated and fruitless caricatural consequence of his
> >> >>homosexuality in a puritan country.
> >> >>His "left liberal" appurtenance is an *instinctive opportunist* choice
> >> >>which has nothing to do with philosophy but just depends on which is
> >> >>the most favorable environment to his abnormal sexuality.
> >> >>
> >> >>Remember the famous Pasolini's movie ?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "The Log Cabin Republicans"?
> >>
> >> Parla italiano ?
> >> http://www.pasolini.net/
> >
> > Pasolini, he's no conformist.
> >
> > http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/about.html
>
> Whaoo !
> Full of pretty smart guys George, you should have a look... Perhaps you will
> be able to meet Pajama-Boy here ! ;-)
> Thanks for him Stephen, sometime he is a little bit cad.

Speaking of Pasolini, an Italian artist is quoted in The New Yorker
saying Pasolini "called TV interviews the lowest point of humiliation
that a human can endure."

Stephen

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Lionel > wrote:

> MINe 109 - mardi 30 Mars 2004 17:29 -
> > wrote:

> > Speaking of Pasolini, an Italian artist is quoted in The New Yorker
> > saying Pasolini "called TV interviews the lowest point of humiliation
> > that a human can endure."
>
> I cannot imagine what he would say about today talk-shows ! TV is a media
> for exhibitionists only.

That's funny: the artist was staging a fake 'reality' tv show.

> My parents hadn't TV at home in the 70's and I thank them for that... Now I
> never watch TV, except the Tour de France in July. ;-)

That's Incredible!

I can't say you'll miss much.

Stephen

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Lionel > wrote:

> MINe 109 - mardi 30 Mars 2004 20:43 -
> > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Lionel > wrote:
> >
> >> MINe 109 - mardi 30 Mars 2004 17:29 -
> >> > wrote:
> >
> >> > Speaking of Pasolini, an Italian artist is quoted in The New Yorker
> >> > saying Pasolini "called TV interviews the lowest point of humiliation
> >> > that a human can endure."
> >>
> >> I cannot imagine what he would say about today talk-shows ! TV is a media
> >> for exhibitionists only.
> >
> > That's funny: the artist was staging a fake 'reality' tv show.
>
> Most of the time talk-shows look like to scenes from one of his compatriot's
> movies, Fellini. The same grotesque exaggeration, the same big women with
> enormous tits ! Some nightmares for our friend George. (The rumor says that
> years ago he attempted to sue Russ Meyer...)
>
> >> My parents hadn't TV at home in the 70's and I thank them for that... Now
> >> I never watch TV, except the Tour de France in July. ;-)
> >
> > That's Incredible!
>
> Don't forget that I am *French*.

http://abc.go.com/specials/thats_incredible.html

> > I can't say you'll miss much.
>
> And this save me a lot of time for friendly discussions on Usenet...
> ...Nothing can replace a frank communication ! ;-)

How sad that there are no water coolers in France. How do you waste time
at the office if you don't discuss the underlying philosophies of
"Friends" "Fear Factor" and "Everybody Loves Raymond"?

Stephen

[Joseph Oberlander]

John Atkinson wrote:

> "Sandman" > wrote in message
> >...
>
>>You guessed it: Dubya
>>His "war on terror" a "miserable failure":
>>http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/03/20_ending.html
>
>
> This link gives a summing up of the arguments for Bush dropping the ball
> on terror: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/033004A.shtml
>
> I would like to see ScottW and Phil address the issues raised in this
> essay, not the personalities or politics of the people who raise those
> issues.

The truth about politics is often ugly. I almost hope in a
perverse way that Bush wins so that we can impeach him and
throw him in jail. Rice alone is - I mean - LOOK at her on
T.V. - It's painfully obvious that she's lying and is a
very evil person with a big hidden agenda. She looks, talks,
and sounds "dirty" - even compared to most other politicial
figures.

So - Kerry wins and we win. Bush wins and gets impeached
along with his view president. We win no matter what happens.

[Joseph Oberlander]

ScottW wrote:

> How does one address issues raised in an essay? There is less
> factual content to debate or rebutt than a typical subjective product
> review in Stereophile.

You verify if the research is indeed what they said.

Hint - it is. All of the players on that list said those things
and are a lot more credible than your personal feelings on the
matter.

You probably didn't believe Nixon was lying until you heard the
tapes. Even then, you probably thought it was a scam or something.

[Michael McKelvy]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Walter Bushell said:
>
> > > His "war on terror" a "miserable failure":
>
> > Yeah, "Are you safer now than you were 4 years ago?".
>
> Who the hell knows? The one thing everybody does know is that we have
> the most secretive government in more than a century.
>
> Another question you might consider: Is the next generation going to
> be as secure financially and economically as the current ones? Dubya's
> greed-driven policies are undermining America's middle class.
>
>
>
The main thing undermining the middle class is the current tax structure.
The people who create wealth are paying more in taxes than they did during
the Kennedy administration.

Then of course there is the way the states try to tax away even more,
especially in California. Thankfully the force of the Governator's charisma
is keeping the aging hippies in Sacramento on their toes. Notice how fast
they came up with workman's comp reform after he threatened to put a
proposition on the ballot?