Teachers are "Terrorists"???

[Sandman]

This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the nation when he
compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door meeting with the
nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National Education
Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a "terrorist"
organization.

The shocking comparison came as the Bush administration struggles to defend
its broken promises to fully fund the No Child Left Behind Act. State
governments, faced with education budgets that are stretched to the limit,
are revolting against the administration for abandoning our children.

In Utah and Virginia, Republican-controlled state legislatures have passed
(by wide margins) resolutions to opt out of No Child Left Behind if
President Bush continues to break his promises to America's families. And
those are just two of the growing number of states worried that they can't
afford to meet the stringent requirements of NCLB if Bush continues to
underfund the law in his budgets.

Secretary Paige crossed the line when he compared the nation's teachers to
terrorists. The administration is trying to shift the blame for its failures
and broken promises, but our children deserve results, not excuses.

The State Department keeps a list of foreign terrorist organizations, the
worst criminals in the world. Current members include al Qaeda, Hamas,
Shining Path, and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.

http://mailer.democrats.org/rdr/002Pd00cM20001F

Would Secretary Paige add the names of 3 million teachers of America's
children to that list?

QUOTE OF THE WEEK

"I am sure the 163,000 factory workers who have lost their jobs in Michigan
will find it heartening to know that a world of opportunity awaits them in
high growth manufacturing careers like spatula operator, napkin restocking,
and lunch tray removal."

Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) in a letter to Bush economic adviser Gregory Mankiw
questioning the administration's suggestion that fast foot jobs should be
listed as manufacturing. Read the full letter here:

http://mailer.democrats.org/rdr/002Pd00cM20001G

You'll need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader.

http://mailer.democrats.org/rdr/002Pd00cM20001H

[ScottW]

"Sandman" > wrote in message
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What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
grocery store strikers?

If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
activism at taxpayer expense.

ScottW

[MINe 109]

In article <VFS%b.21824$aZ3.15978@fed1read04>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Sandman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
> grocery store strikers?
>
> If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
> is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
> activism at taxpayer expense.

Could it be that the CTA is composed of public school teachers? If you
really follow the money, be sure to include everyone who pays property
taxes.

Stephen

[ScottW]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article <VFS%b.21824$aZ3.15978@fed1read04>,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
> > grocery store strikers?
> >
> > If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
> > is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
> > activism at taxpayer expense.
>
> Could it be that the CTA is composed of public school teachers? If you
> really follow the money, be sure to include everyone who pays property
> taxes.
>
> Stephen

Property tax payers have no choice. Teachers have little choice.
The union leadership have chosen to use the teachers union dues
to further their political agenda, much of which has little to do with
education or teachers salaries.

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:29:39 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
>> In article <VFS%b.21824$aZ3.15978@fed1read04>,
>> "ScottW" > wrote:
>>
>> > "Sandman" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> > What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
>> > grocery store strikers?
>> >
>> > If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
>> > is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
>> > activism at taxpayer expense.
>>
>> Could it be that the CTA is composed of public school teachers? If you
>> really follow the money, be sure to include everyone who pays property
>> taxes.
>>
>> Stephen
>
> Property tax payers have no choice. Teachers have little choice.
> The union leadership have chosen to use the teachers union dues
>to further their political agenda, much of which has little to do with
>education or teachers salaries.

But it has to do with LABOR.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:29:39 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In article <VFS%b.21824$aZ3.15978@fed1read04>,
> >> "ScottW" > wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >
> >> > What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
> >> > grocery store strikers?
> >> >
> >> > If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
> >> > is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
> >> > activism at taxpayer expense.
> >>
> >> Could it be that the CTA is composed of public school teachers? If you
> >> really follow the money, be sure to include everyone who pays property
> >> taxes.
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >
> > Property tax payers have no choice. Teachers have little choice.
> > The union leadership have chosen to use the teachers union dues
> >to further their political agenda, much of which has little to do with
> >education or teachers salaries.
>
> But it has to do with LABOR.

No, it has to do with the ENTIRE liberal agenda




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[Robert Morein]

"Sandman" > wrote in message
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> This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the nation when he
> compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door meeting with
the
> nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National Education
> Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a "terrorist"
> organization.

Teachers are BORES.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
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>
> "Sandman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the nation when
he
> > compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door meeting with
> the
> > nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National Education
> > Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a "terrorist"
> > organization.
>
> Teachers are BORES.
>

I guess they were all too stupid, and you too smart, to ever teach you
anything.
I mean, if you know it all already.




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[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
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> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the nation
when
> he
> > > compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door meeting
with
> > the
> > > nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National Education
> > > Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a "terrorist"
> > > organization.
> >
> > Teachers are BORES.
> >
>
> I guess they were all too stupid, and you too smart, to ever teach you
> anything.
> I mean, if you know it all already.
>
What subject do you teach?

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

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> > ...
> > >
> > > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the nation
> when
> > he
> > > > compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door meeting
> with
> > > the
> > > > nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National
Education
> > > > Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a "terrorist"
> > > > organization.
> > >
> > > Teachers are BORES.
> > >
> >
> > I guess they were all too stupid, and you too smart, to ever teach you
> > anything.
> > I mean, if you know it all already.
> >
> What subject do you teach?
>

Whatever you don't yet know.
But certainly not grammar or spelling.




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[Robert Morein]

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> > > >
> > > > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the nation
> > when
> > > he
> > > > > compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door
meeting
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National
> Education
> > > > > Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a "terrorist"
> > > > > organization.
> > > >
> > > > Teachers are BORES.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I guess they were all too stupid, and you too smart, to ever teach you
> > > anything.
> > > I mean, if you know it all already.
> > >
> > What subject do you teach?
> >
>
> Whatever you don't yet know.
> But certainly not grammar or spelling.
>
You really do sound like a typical high school teacher, completely unaware
of his own domain of competency.
That doesn't mean you actually are one, merely that you possess the
requisite level of mediocrity.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

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> > > > >
> > > > > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the
nation
> > > when
> > > > he
> > > > > > compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door
> meeting
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National
> > Education
> > > > > > Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a
"terrorist"
> > > > > > organization.
> > > > >
> > > > > Teachers are BORES.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess they were all too stupid, and you too smart, to ever teach
you
> > > > anything.
> > > > I mean, if you know it all already.
> > > >
> > > What subject do you teach?
> > >
> >
> > Whatever you don't yet know.
> > But certainly not grammar or spelling.
> >
> You really do sound like a typical high school teacher, completely unaware
> of his own domain of competency.
> That doesn't mean you actually are one, merely that you possess the
> requisite level of mediocrity.
>

I hear you, Mr. miserably failed PhD candidate.
Found a job yet? It really must hurt for such
a superior being to having failed so miserabley in a world
of such ignorant and mediocre mortals.




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[Robert Morein]

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> > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the
> nation
> > > > when
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door
> > meeting
> > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National
> > > Education
> > > > > > > Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a
> "terrorist"
> > > > > > > organization.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Teachers are BORES.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess they were all too stupid, and you too smart, to ever teach
> you
> > > > > anything.
> > > > > I mean, if you know it all already.
> > > > >
> > > > What subject do you teach?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Whatever you don't yet know.
> > > But certainly not grammar or spelling.
> > >
> > You really do sound like a typical high school teacher, completely
unaware
> > of his own domain of competency.
> > That doesn't mean you actually are one, merely that you possess the
> > requisite level of mediocrity.
> >
>
> I hear you, Mr. miserably failed PhD candidate.
> Found a job yet?

I'm doing just fine.

> It really must hurt for such
> a superior being to having failed so miserabley

miserably

> in a world
> of such ignorant and mediocre mortals.

There are plently of people who I consider my intellectual peers. You just
don't happen to be one of them.

What do you do for a living? Are you a public school teacher?

[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
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>
> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:29:39 -0800, "ScottW" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"MINe 109" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> In article <VFS%b.21824$aZ3.15978@fed1read04>,
> > >> "ScottW" > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > >> > ...
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
> > >> > grocery store strikers?
> > >> >
> > >> > If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
> > >> > is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
> > >> > activism at taxpayer expense.
> > >>
> > >> Could it be that the CTA is composed of public school teachers? If
you
> > >> really follow the money, be sure to include everyone who pays
property
> > >> taxes.
> > >>
> > >> Stephen
> > >
> > > Property tax payers have no choice. Teachers have little choice.
> > > The union leadership have chosen to use the teachers union dues
> > >to further their political agenda, much of which has little to do with
> > >education or teachers salaries.
> >
> > But it has to do with LABOR.
>
> No, it has to do with the ENTIRE liberal agenda
>
What did you do for a living, before you retired?

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
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>
> What do you do for a living?

None of your business

> Are you a public school teacher?

No






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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

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> What did you do for a living, before you retired?

What did you do for sex, before you started jerking off?





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[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
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> > What do you do for a living?
>
> None of your business
>
Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?

[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
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> > What did you do for a living, before you retired?
>
> What did you do for sex, before you started jerking off?
>
Based upon your conversational overtones, I would guess that you were a
tradesman, brighter than average, but without an outlet, until you
discovered usenet.

What trade were you in?

[ScottW]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
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> > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > What do you do for a living?
> >
> > None of your business
> >
> Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?

He's not a waiter or a lawyer or an ex-IT consultant.

ScottW

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
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> > > What do you do for a living?
> >
> > None of your business
> >
> Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?


Like failed graduate student?




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

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> > > What did you do for a living, before you retired?
> >
> > What did you do for sex, before you started jerking off?
> >
> Based upon your conversational overtones, I would guess that you were a
> tradesman, brighter than average, but without an outlet, until you
> discovered usenet.
>
> What trade were you in?
>

I traded baseball cards




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

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> > > >
> > > > What do you do for a living?
> > >
> > > None of your business
> > >
> > Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?
>
> He's not a waiter or a lawyer or an ex-IT consultant.
>

I assist grad school washouts in filling out their unemployment insurance
forms.




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[Robert Morein]

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> > > >
> > >
> > > > What did you do for a living, before you retired?
> > >
> > > What did you do for sex, before you started jerking off?
> > >
> > Based upon your conversational overtones, I would guess that you were a
> > tradesman, brighter than average, but without an outlet, until you
> > discovered usenet.
> >
> > What trade were you in?
> >
>
> I traded baseball cards
>
So you had a comicbook store?

[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
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> > > > What do you do for a living?
> > >
> > > None of your business
> > >
> > Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?
>
>
> Like failed graduate student?
>
Socks, it's not bad to fall from the top.
Anybody who hasn't tried and failed hasn't aimed high enough.

[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
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> > > > > What do you do for a living?
> > > >
> > > > None of your business
> > > >
> > > Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?
> >
> > He's not a waiter or a lawyer or an ex-IT consultant.
> >
>
> I assist grad school washouts in filling out their unemployment insurance
> forms.
>
Socks,
Usually, when a person insists on complete anonymity, it's because
they're ashamed. You ought to get over that. I'm not asking for your name.
I'd just like to know what you did in your life, which was probably decent.

[Robert Morein]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> > > > What do you do for a living?
> > >
> > > None of your business
> > >
> > Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?
>
> He's not a waiter or a lawyer or an ex-IT consultant.
>
> ScottW
>
The past couple of days, I've noticed that he's sour, like someone in
chronic pain.
If that's the case, I feel sorry about that.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

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> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you do for a living?
> > > > >
> > > > > None of your business
> > > > >
> > > > Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?
> > >
> > > He's not a waiter or a lawyer or an ex-IT consultant.
> > >
> >
> > I assist grad school washouts in filling out their unemployment
insurance
> > forms.
> >
> Socks,
> Usually, when a person insists on complete anonymity, it's because
> they're ashamed. You ought to get over that. I'm not asking for your name.
> I'd just like to know what you did in your life, which was probably
decent.

Maybe I would answer, if you were a decent person.




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

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> > > >
> > > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you do for a living?
> > > >
> > > > None of your business
> > > >
> > > Was it one of those embarassing, low status careers?
> >
> >
> > Like failed graduate student?
> >
> Socks, it's not bad to fall from the top.
> Anybody who hasn't tried and failed hasn't aimed high enough.
>

You are talking about a career as a student.
Maybe I should not have been so rough on you
for dissing teachers, after all, as a career student,
you probabaly have lots of experience answering to teachers.





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[Sander deWaal]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > said:

>> Teachers are BORES.

>I guess they were all too stupid, and you too smart, to ever teach you
>anything.
>I mean, if you know it all already.

Confucius say: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > said:
>
> >> Teachers are BORES.
>
> >I guess they were all too stupid, and you too smart, to ever teach you
> >anything.
> >I mean, if you know it all already.
>
> Confucius say: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".
>

But, many of those who can "do", can't "teach". Haven't you ever
benefited from a gifted and talented teacher?




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[S888Wheel]

> Usually, when a person insists on complete anonymity, it's because
>> they're ashamed.

In general or on Usenet?

>You ought to get over that.

It's never been something for Art to get over.

>I'm not asking for your name.

I should hope not. If you were you'd have to be as stupid and wacko as Arny.

>> I'd just like to know what you did in your life, which was probably
>decent.

Indeed it *is* decent and respectable. It also isn't completely unknown. The
fact that not everybody knows what he does for a living does not mean that
nobody knows. The complete anonymity you speak of simply does not apply here.

[Sander deWaal]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > said:

>> Confucius say: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".

>But, many of those who can "do", can't "teach". Haven't you ever
>benefited from a gifted and talented teacher?

I'm probably stepping on some toes here, but I can't recall
benefitting from any teacher I had in my life, except for life itself.
I'm largely an autodidact in most of the fields I pretend to master.

Oh yes, I got my EE, but not thanks to teachers.
I work on cars, but not thanks to teachers.
I play piano and bass, but not thanks to teachers.
I build and repair audio stuff, but not thanks to teachers.
I write articles, but not thanks to teachers.
I work as a commercial engineer for a large dental company, but not
thanks to teachers.

Last but not least, sometimes I teach (really!) .
The students seem to like me and the stuff I teach though.

Confucius say: "Only fools believe everything I say."



*grin*


--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

[Mike McKelvy]

"Sandman" > wrote in message >...
> This week, Bush's Education Secretary Rod Paige shocked the nation when he
> compared America's teachers to terrorists. In a closed-door meeting with the
> nation's governors, Secretary Paige referred to the National Education
> Association, which represents 3 million teachers, as a "terrorist"
> organization.
>

Seems correct to me. What would you call an organization that is for
teachers at the expense of your children's education?

> The shocking comparison came as the Bush administration struggles to defend
> its broken promises to fully fund the No Child Left Behind Act.

There were a couple of events that have come up since that bill was
signed.

State
> governments, faced with education budgets that are stretched to the limit,
> are revolting against the administration for abandoning our children.
>
They're just revolting. If they want to fund education then they
should. If it means cutting glasses or dental work or some other
giveaway to the poor, then so be it.

> In Utah and Virginia, Republican-controlled state legislatures have passed
> (by wide margins) resolutions to opt out of No Child Left Behind if
> President Bush continues to break his promises to America's families. And
> those are just two of the growing number of states worried that they can't
> afford to meet the stringent requirements of NCLB if Bush continues to
> underfund the law in his budgets.
>
> Secretary Paige crossed the line when he compared the nation's teachers to
> terrorists. The administration is trying to shift the blame for its failures
> and broken promises, but our children deserve results, not excuses.
>

The NEA has been working harder for a longer period of time to keep
children stupid and brainwash them to be liberals. Where the **** was
the NEA when for 10 years California was turning out illiterates, by
using whole langauge reading? The fact is that anything that makes
the teachers job pay more and do less is supported by the NEA. If
this means we produce people who can't read their diploma, then so
what.

> The State Department keeps a list of foreign terrorist organizations, the
> worst criminals in the world. Current members include al Qaeda, Hamas,
> Shining Path, and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.
>
> http://mailer.democrats.org/rdr/002Pd00cM20001F
>
> Would Secretary Paige add the names of 3 million teachers of America's
> children to that list?
>
>
Long overdue.

[Robert Morein]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > said:
>
> >> Confucius say: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".
>
> >But, many of those who can "do", can't "teach". Haven't you ever
> >benefited from a gifted and talented teacher?
>
> I'm probably stepping on some toes here, but I can't recall
> benefitting from any teacher I had in my life, except for life itself.
> I'm largely an autodidact in most of the fields I pretend to master.
>
> Oh yes, I got my EE, but not thanks to teachers.
> I work on cars, but not thanks to teachers.
> I play piano and bass, but not thanks to teachers.
> I build and repair audio stuff, but not thanks to teachers.
> I write articles, but not thanks to teachers.
> I work as a commercial engineer for a large dental company, but not
> thanks to teachers.
>
> Last but not least, sometimes I teach (really!) .
> The students seem to like me and the stuff I teach though.
>
> Confucius say: "Only fools believe everything I say."
>
I am very much in sympathy with the above.
Only those incapable of smashing the form and creating new ones revere
teachers.

There have been a few exceptions. I have had a few inspiring teachers in my
life. But I could count them on the fingers of one hand. They inspired
inspite of the dismal standards of their professsion.

Continuing the instructive aphorism,
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach
teachers."

[ScottW]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> Continuing the instructive aphorism,
> "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach
> teachers."

Our high school valedictorian address after the football team
coached by the PE teacher got
placed on probation for some rules violation:

"Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym."

ScottW

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > said:
>
> >> Confucius say: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".
>
> >But, many of those who can "do", can't "teach". Haven't you ever
> >benefited from a gifted and talented teacher?
>
> I'm probably stepping on some toes here, but I can't recall
> benefitting from any teacher I had in my life, except for life itself.
> I'm largely an autodidact in most of the fields I pretend to master.
>
> Oh yes, I got my EE, but not thanks to teachers.
> I work on cars, but not thanks to teachers.
> I play piano and bass, but not thanks to teachers.
> I build and repair audio stuff, but not thanks to teachers.
> I write articles, but not thanks to teachers.
> I work as a commercial engineer for a large dental company, but not
> thanks to teachers.
>
> Last but not least, sometimes I teach (really!) .
> The students seem to like me and the stuff I teach though.
>
> Confucius say: "Only fools believe everything I say."
>

Sander, maybe your students will feel differently than you do, and
someday, they may feel they owe you a debt of gratitude. And sometimes,
it is not just that you teach the material, but maybe that you may have
motivated and inspired someone.

I also play the bass, and for that I owe a great deal of gratitude to my
high school misic teacher. I played clarinet in high school, and although
I was very good, I was not the best one. I played in the marching and
concert band. After 9th grade, I no l0onger had to take the gym class,
which I hated. So, I wanted to play in the orchstra. But Mr. Sickafus
said that he had one guy in there already, that though I was good,
this guy was better, and that he only needed on clarinet player. But, if
I wanted to be in the orchestra, he would let me in if I learned how to play
the upright bass, because he had only on player who was not too good.
He got me started with a few lessons, on his own, and lent me a school
bass for the summer, and I practiced, and I was in. I really enjoyed it,
but dropped it when I went to college.

I decided to start back up when I was 45, my friend motivated me by
inviting me into his band if I learned electric. I was off and running
agian,
because all I ever wanted was to be in a rock or blues band. And
accidently, I found a new friend who plyed bass and gave me lessons.
He was a very good teacher and remaiins a good friend.

So to me, I have very fond memeories of these teaches, and several others
form high school, and a few form college, who were very helpful
and inspiriational to me. So, I guess it bothers me when someone like
that self prfessed know it all like Bob Morein flat out disses them as
a bunch of boring washouts who can't do anything else in
the real world.

I think he resents them, because in his mind they are responsible for
his failure, and in his miind, he was right, and they were wrong, and
that he was so much smarteer and talented than were they, and they
were even too stupid to recognize the talents that he thinks he has.
So for that, he disses the whole profession.




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[S888Wheel]

>
>I am very much in sympathy with the above.
>Only those incapable of smashing the form and creating new ones revere
>teachers.
>

Nonsense. It is noble job.

>
>There have been a few exceptions. I have had a few inspiring teachers in my
>life. But I could count them on the fingers of one hand. They inspired
>inspite of the dismal standards of their professsion.

There are plenty of mediocre teachers. that does not make the proffession any
les noble or important. It just means we need more excellent teachers. Do you
realize you have been painting with a very broad brush so far?

>
>Continuing the instructive aphorism,
>"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach
>teachers."

No they teach gym. Besides, if you take that cliche the least bit seriously
then it is nothing more than bigotry. You do realize that Stephen Hawking and
Stephen J Gould, just to name a few geniuses off the top of my head, are and
were teachers?

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > said:
> >
> > >> Confucius say: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".
> >
> > >But, many of those who can "do", can't "teach". Haven't you ever
> > >benefited from a gifted and talented teacher?
> >
> > I'm probably stepping on some toes here, but I can't recall
> > benefitting from any teacher I had in my life, except for life itself.
> > I'm largely an autodidact in most of the fields I pretend to master.
> >
> > Oh yes, I got my EE, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I work on cars, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I play piano and bass, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I build and repair audio stuff, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I write articles, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I work as a commercial engineer for a large dental company, but not
> > thanks to teachers.
> >
> > Last but not least, sometimes I teach (really!) .
> > The students seem to like me and the stuff I teach though.
> >
> > Confucius say: "Only fools believe everything I say."
> >
> I am very much in sympathy with the above.
> Only those incapable of smashing the form and creating new ones revere
> teachers.
>
> There have been a few exceptions. I have had a few inspiring teachers in
my
> life. But I could count them on the fingers of one hand. They inspired
> inspite of the dismal standards of their professsion.
>
> Continuing the instructive aphorism,
> "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach
> teachers."
>

I was lucky enough to attend school in a dsitrict with high standards
and high achievement. God, that was a long time ago.




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[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > said:
> >
> > >> Confucius say: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".
> >
> > >But, many of those who can "do", can't "teach". Haven't you ever
> > >benefited from a gifted and talented teacher?
> >
> > I'm probably stepping on some toes here, but I can't recall
> > benefitting from any teacher I had in my life, except for life itself.
> > I'm largely an autodidact in most of the fields I pretend to master.
> >
> > Oh yes, I got my EE, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I work on cars, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I play piano and bass, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I build and repair audio stuff, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I write articles, but not thanks to teachers.
> > I work as a commercial engineer for a large dental company, but not
> > thanks to teachers.
> >
> > Last but not least, sometimes I teach (really!) .
> > The students seem to like me and the stuff I teach though.
> >
> > Confucius say: "Only fools believe everything I say."
> >
>
> Sander, maybe your students will feel differently than you do, and
> someday, they may feel they owe you a debt of gratitude. And sometimes,
> it is not just that you teach the material, but maybe that you may have
> motivated and inspired someone.
>
> I also play the bass, and for that I owe a great deal of gratitude to my
> high school misic teacher. I played clarinet in high school, and although
> I was very good, I was not the best one. I played in the marching and
> concert band. After 9th grade, I no l0onger had to take the gym class,
> which I hated. So, I wanted to play in the orchstra. But Mr. Sickafus
> said that he had one guy in there already, that though I was good,
> this guy was better, and that he only needed on clarinet player. But, if
> I wanted to be in the orchestra, he would let me in if I learned how to
play
> the upright bass, because he had only on player who was not too good.
> He got me started with a few lessons, on his own, and lent me a school
> bass for the summer, and I practiced, and I was in. I really enjoyed it,
> but dropped it when I went to college.
>
> I decided to start back up when I was 45, my friend motivated me by
> inviting me into his band if I learned electric. I was off and running
> agian,
> because all I ever wanted was to be in a rock or blues band. And
> accidently, I found a new friend who plyed bass and gave me lessons.
> He was a very good teacher and remaiins a good friend.
>
> So to me, I have very fond memeories of these teaches, and several others
> form high school, and a few form college, who were very helpful
> and inspiriational to me. So, I guess it bothers me when someone like
> that self prfessed know it all like Bob Morein flat out disses them as
> a bunch of boring washouts who can't do anything else in
> the real world.
>
Obviously, one's experience colors one's observations.

> I think he resents them, because in his mind they are responsible for
> his failure, and in his miind, he was right, and they were wrong, and
> that he was so much smarteer and talented than were they, and they
> were even too stupid to recognize the talents that he thinks he has.
> So for that, he disses the whole profession.
>
Socks, you don't know how smart I am. There is no way for you to know that.
However, it was the opinion of Judge Ester Sylvester that I seemed to be
functioning on a higher intellectual plane than some of my advisors. As
Trial Judge in the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas, she reached that
conclusion after a six day trial and examination of 1200 pages of evidence.
Judge Sylvester was the only member of the judiciary to actually hear the
testimony of the witnesses, and we won every count. Subsequently, the
decision was reversed, but in a 2-1 split decision in which the President
Judge of the Pennsylvania Superior Court sided with US.

Among people who work for the Ph.D, there is far less spread in intellectual
capability between the faculty and those who have been accepted as
candidates, of which I was one. This is simply because we're all deep
thinkers. This is our love.

The notion of "IQ" as a measure of general intelligence has fallen into
disrepute. There is really no way to tell how intelligent a person is.
However, among the people who inhabit this forum, there are a number of us
who have had the same kind of intellectual exercise. Among those who come to
mind are John Atkinson, Glen Zelniker, and Sander deWaal. I'm sure I'm
missing a few.

My particular view of teachers is an inside view. When you're a grad
student, you hang with them, and learn how they think. You see the research
they do, or try to do, and you see them fail. Unlike the trades, a Ph.D does
not have a fixed curriculum, because the end result of the degree is that
new knowledge is supposed to have been created.

There is a Big Lie about the process of getting a Ph.D. It is that by
obtaining the degree, the winner has allegedly brought new knowledge into
the world. It isn't true. There is no magic by which a drone can become a
creative individual, but by manufacturing Ph.D's to order, a lie has been
created.

Not all universities are created equal. In some, the winner of a Ph.D may
have a fair chance of making a real contribution to the pyramid of knowledge
that serves us all. In others, such as Drexel, this is a rare or nonexistent
occurence. As far as I know, I was the only grad student at Drexel who ever
was awarded a patent. It was such a surprise, Drexel wasn't set up to handle
the situation.

In high school and college, the notion of respect dominates the relationship
between the student and the teacher. Particularly among unsophisticated
social groups, the teacher is an instrument of socialization and integration
of the student into society. In high school, independent thought is usually
stifled.

At the Ph.D level, the common notions of "teacher vs. student", as they
apply in high school and college no longer apply. You are supposed to
challenge your professors, and prove them wrong, when your acquired
specialization exceeds their knowledge.

In public school, in the seventh grade, it was determined that I was one of
the three most intelligent students in my junior high school. This was
someone else's determination; all I knew was that I was the prisoner, for 7
hours a day, of people who were usually duller than me. This is not an
uncommon occurence. In any class, there will be a few who are so markedly
more intelligent than their teachers that the dominant-submissive
relationship is disturbed. The public school experience did not serve me
well. On the other hand, if your intellectual capacity is similar to that of
your teachers, it may have been a positive experience for you.

Socks, you are obviously of above average intelligence, or you would not be
disposed to type away as you do. With intelligence comes expression. I would
simply point out to you that a person who has not studied engineering or
science has difficulty in commenting on the educational process involved in
becoming an engineer or scientist.

As it happens, I have a strong inclination to teach myself. I do so in an
informal fashion. I participate in the newsgroups, providing instruction
when it is requested.

One reason I asked what your career was, or is, is that your life experience
has undoubtedly provided you with knowledge that you can share with others.

Teachers are at their worst when they are in a credential-granting role. The
business of giving grades, and the punitive, no-second-chance coursework, is
another job that has been part of teaching for eons. It through
demand-and-punishment that teachers shape people into obedient cogs that
will fill assigned niches in society.

And that has nothing to do with knowledge.

[Sander deWaal]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > said:

>Sander, maybe your students will feel differently than you do, and
>someday, they may feel they owe you a debt of gratitude. And sometimes,
>it is not just that you teach the material, but maybe that you may have
>motivated and inspired someone.

I sure hope they do, Art.
But I have one advantage: I teach tube technology, and all of my
students are *very* motivated :-)

I also hope you understand I don't hold teachers in low esteem (heck,
my father was one!), but I haven't gotten much use for them in my
life. YMMV, of course.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

[Robert Morein]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Robert Morein said:
>
> > The notion of "IQ" as a measure of general intelligence has fallen into
> > disrepute. There is really no way to tell how intelligent a person is.
> > However, among the people who inhabit this forum, there are a number of
us
> > who have had the same kind of intellectual exercise. Among those who
come to
> > mind are John Atkinson, Glen Zelniker, and Sander deWaal. I'm sure I'm
> > missing a few.
>
> Apparen'tly Morien you have not been observing who win's debates
> around here Moerin. Its like you could be, as smart as a ripe tomato
> and still you couldn't debate with Jesus and Arberham, at his side
> after you go to the moon, LOL! NOt!;-)
>
> ;-)
>
George,
Your subtle satire deserves a special award. However, one word screams
out from the above text: KRUEGER

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> Particularly among unsophisticated
> social groups, the teacher is an instrument of socialization and
integration
> of the student into society.
>

Too bad you were dozing off in the back of the room
when attempts to socialize and integrate you into society
were at hand.




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[Acne Krooker]

"Robert Morein" > said:

>George,
> Your subtle satire deserves a special award. However, one word screams
>out from the above text: KRUEGER

Thank you Morien for admitting you're obsession with me, as well as
Midius's not even close to the original.
Hardly.

Morine its like any apoplectic tube and vinyl biggot ambulance chaser
can't imagine how "living well" is the best revenge!

NoT ;-)

[Robert Morein]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
> > Usually, when a person insists on complete anonymity, it's because
> >> they're ashamed.
>
> In general or on Usenet?
>
> >You ought to get over that.
>
> It's never been something for Art to get over.
>
> >I'm not asking for your name.
>
> I should hope not. If you were you'd have to be as stupid and wacko as
Arny.
>
> >> I'd just like to know what you did in your life, which was probably
> >decent.
>
> Indeed it *is* decent and respectable. It also isn't completely unknown.
The
> fact that not everybody knows what he does for a living does not mean that
> nobody knows. The complete anonymity you speak of simply does not apply
here.

If you say that Art did decent work, I accept that.
I do not consider it a right to breach someone's anonymity.
As Art appears to be hostile toward me, I would like to understand him
better.
I'm not demanding anything.

[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Particularly among unsophisticated
> > social groups, the teacher is an instrument of socialization and
> integration
> > of the student into society.
> >
>
> Too bad you were dozing off in the back of the room
> when attempts to socialize and integrate you into society
> were at hand.
>
Art,
You've been hostile to me for days. As I told you in the discussion
about speaker spikes, I'm not interested in fighting with you.

You are somewhat unique as usenet adveraries go, because there is not a
single issue of substance between us. With Arny, I criticize what I consider
his imperfect scientific method. With Brian L. McCarty, there is the
slandering of innocent sellers. Occasionally, Dave Weil gets mad at me, but
it doesn't last.

From my POV, the only issue between you and I is that you have chosen to
dislike me. I understand that your viewpoint may differ. Unfortunately, I
can't get very excited about that. The cost of visibility -- and I am very
visible -- is that some people choose visible people as targets for their
ire. Being disliked by some is a fact of life.

If you do decide to partipate in a thread in which we are on opposing
sides of an issue of substance, I will be happy to debate without prejudice.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Usually, when a person insists on complete anonymity, it's because
> > >> they're ashamed.
> >
> > In general or on Usenet?
> >
> > >You ought to get over that.
> >
> > It's never been something for Art to get over.
> >
> > >I'm not asking for your name.
> >
> > I should hope not. If you were you'd have to be as stupid and wacko as
> Arny.
> >
> > >> I'd just like to know what you did in your life, which was probably
> > >decent.
> >
> > Indeed it *is* decent and respectable. It also isn't completely unknown.
> The
> > fact that not everybody knows what he does for a living does not mean
that
> > nobody knows. The complete anonymity you speak of simply does not apply
> here.
>
> If you say that Art did decent work, I accept that.
> I do not consider it a right to breach someone's anonymity.
> As Art appears to be hostile toward me, I would like to understand him
> better.
> I'm not demanding anything.
>

It's your egotisitical and arrogant attitude towards the particular subject.
Overall, I am not hostile towards you.




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > Particularly among unsophisticated
> > > social groups, the teacher is an instrument of socialization and
> > integration
> > > of the student into society.
> > >
> >
> > Too bad you were dozing off in the back of the room
> > when attempts to socialize and integrate you into society
> > were at hand.
> >
> Art,
> You've been hostile to me for days. As I told you in the discussion
> about speaker spikes, I'm not interested in fighting with you.
>
> You are somewhat unique as usenet adveraries go, because there is not
a
> single issue of substance between us. With Arny, I criticize what I
consider
> his imperfect scientific method. With Brian L. McCarty, there is the
> slandering of innocent sellers. Occasionally, Dave Weil gets mad at me,
but
> it doesn't last.
>
> From my POV, the only issue between you and I is that you have chosen
to
> dislike me. I understand that your viewpoint may differ. Unfortunately, I
> can't get very excited about that. The cost of visibility -- and I am very
> visible -- is that some people choose visible people as targets for their
> ire. Being disliked by some is a fact of life.
>
> If you do decide to partipate in a thread in which we are on opposing
> sides of an issue of substance, I will be happy to debate without
prejudice.
>

It's more about your arrogant attitude than about substance.





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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Robert Morein said:
>
> > If you say that Art did decent work, I accept that.
>
> If by "decent" you mean "not per se illegal", then consider it
> accepted.
>
> > I do not consider it a right to breach someone's anonymity.
>
> Sacky doesn't have any. He doesn't try to have any, actually.
>
> > As Art appears to be hostile toward me, I would like to understand him
> > better.
>
> I'd give that idea up early. It's nasty in there -- musty and scary
> and full of unpleasant surprises.
>
and dark, too dark for me to fill out the NAMBLA application.




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[Goofball_star_dot_etal]

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:14:17 -0500, "Robert Morein"
> wrote:

>
>"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Particularly among unsophisticated
>> > social groups, the teacher is an instrument of socialization and
>> integration
>> > of the student into society.
>> >
>>
>> Too bad you were dozing off in the back of the room
>> when attempts to socialize and integrate you into society
>> were at hand.
>>
>Art,
> You've been hostile to me for days. As I told you in the discussion
>about speaker spikes, I'm not interested in fighting with you.
>

John's dad say: "Getting confused with Yustabe give anybody willies"

> You are somewhat unique as usenet adveraries go, because there is not a
>single issue of substance between us. With Arny, I criticize what I consider
>his imperfect scientific method. With Brian L. McCarty, there is the
>slandering of innocent sellers. Occasionally, Dave Weil gets mad at me, but
>it doesn't last.
>
> From my POV, the only issue between you and I is that you have chosen to
>dislike me. I understand that your viewpoint may differ. Unfortunately, I
>can't get very excited about that. The cost of visibility -- and I am very
>visible -- is that some people choose visible people as targets for their
>ire. Being disliked by some is a fact of life.
>
> If you do decide to partipate in a thread in which we are on opposing
>sides of an issue of substance, I will be happy to debate without prejudice.
>
>

[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Particularly among unsophisticated
> > > > social groups, the teacher is an instrument of socialization and
> > > integration
> > > > of the student into society.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Too bad you were dozing off in the back of the room
> > > when attempts to socialize and integrate you into society
> > > were at hand.
> > >
> > Art,
> > You've been hostile to me for days. As I told you in the discussion
> > about speaker spikes, I'm not interested in fighting with you.
> >
> > You are somewhat unique as usenet adveraries go, because there is
not
> a
> > single issue of substance between us. With Arny, I criticize what I
> consider
> > his imperfect scientific method. With Brian L. McCarty, there is the
> > slandering of innocent sellers. Occasionally, Dave Weil gets mad at me,
> but
> > it doesn't last.
> >
> > From my POV, the only issue between you and I is that you have
chosen
> to
> > dislike me. I understand that your viewpoint may differ. Unfortunately,
I
> > can't get very excited about that. The cost of visibility -- and I am
very
> > visible -- is that some people choose visible people as targets for
their
> > ire. Being disliked by some is a fact of life.
> >
> > If you do decide to partipate in a thread in which we are on
opposing
> > sides of an issue of substance, I will be happy to debate without
> prejudice.
> >
>
> It's more about your arrogant attitude than about substance.
>
OK.

[Sandman]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:29:39 -0800, "ScottW" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"MINe 109" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> In article <VFS%b.21824$aZ3.15978@fed1read04>,
> > >> "ScottW" > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > >> > ...
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
> > >> > grocery store strikers?
> > >> >
> > >> > If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
> > >> > is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
> > >> > activism at taxpayer expense.
> > >>
> > >> Could it be that the CTA is composed of public school teachers? If
you
> > >> really follow the money, be sure to include everyone who pays
property
> > >> taxes.
> > >>
> > >> Stephen
> > >
> > > Property tax payers have no choice. Teachers have little choice.
> > > The union leadership have chosen to use the teachers union dues
> > >to further their political agenda, much of which has little to do with
> > >education or teachers salaries.
> >
> > But it has to do with LABOR.
>
> No, it has to do with the ENTIRE liberal agenda

This is staggeringly incredible. The fact that the CTA supported the
grocery workers on strike makes them "terrorists"??????

Millions of people supported those workers. Don't look now - you're
surrounded! ::Gaaaack::

So far, only three posters to this thread have stooped to this level of
monumental stupidity: Duh-Mikey, Scottieborg Wittemongrel, and Wormtongue
"Sacky" Sack-O-****.

Even Arnii "****-for-brains" Kroobeast has more sense than that.

[S888Wheel]

>
>If you say that Art did decent work,

I believe he is still doing it.

>I accept that.

Very generous. Thank you.

>I do not consider it a right to breach someone's anonymity.
>As Art appears to be hostile toward me, I would like to understand him
>better.
>I'm not demanding anything.
>

Fair enough.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Sandman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "dave weil" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:29:39 -0800, "ScottW" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"MINe 109" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> In article <VFS%b.21824$aZ3.15978@fed1read04>,
> > > >> "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > > >> > ...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
> > > >> > grocery store strikers?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
> > > >> > is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
> > > >> > activism at taxpayer expense.
> > > >>
> > > >> Could it be that the CTA is composed of public school teachers? If
> you
> > > >> really follow the money, be sure to include everyone who pays
> property
> > > >> taxes.
> > > >>
> > > >> Stephen
> > > >
> > > > Property tax payers have no choice. Teachers have little choice.
> > > > The union leadership have chosen to use the teachers union dues
> > > >to further their political agenda, much of which has little to do
with
> > > >education or teachers salaries.
> > >
> > > But it has to do with LABOR.
> >
> > No, it has to do with the ENTIRE liberal agenda
>
> This is staggeringly incredible. The fact that the CTA supported the
> grocery workers on strike makes them "terrorists"??????
>

No,no, no ,no ,no
That wasn't me, I didn't call them terroroists.
I was only commenting upon their using member's union
dues to support the liberal agenda. Some members might
not appreciate that. Others would. But the dues are
not voluntary.


> Millions of people supported those workers. Don't look now - you're
> surrounded! ::Gaaaack::
>
> So far, only three posters to this thread have stooped to this level of
> monumental stupidity: Duh-Mikey, Scottieborg Wittemongrel, and Wormtongue
> "Sacky" Sack-O-****.
>

You are putting words in my mouth. I never called unions terrorists,
and I never took a position against the workers, and for management.
My recollection is that I commented that the issues were over
the workers health insurance contributions adn I questioned whether
a strike was worht the difference in payroll deductions.






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[Michael McKelvy]

"Sandman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "dave weil" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:29:39 -0800, "ScottW" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"MINe 109" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> In article <VFS%b.21824$aZ3.15978@fed1read04>,
> > > >> "ScottW" > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > "Sandman" > wrote in message
> > > >> > ...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What do you think of the CTA add campaign supporting the
> > > >> > grocery store strikers?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you follow the money, CTA is funded by tax dollars and
> > > >> > is really pushing their boundaries in political and social
> > > >> > activism at taxpayer expense.
> > > >>
> > > >> Could it be that the CTA is composed of public school teachers? If
> you
> > > >> really follow the money, be sure to include everyone who pays
> property
> > > >> taxes.
> > > >>
> > > >> Stephen
> > > >
> > > > Property tax payers have no choice. Teachers have little choice.
> > > > The union leadership have chosen to use the teachers union dues
> > > >to further their political agenda, much of which has little to do
with
> > > >education or teachers salaries.
> > >
> > > But it has to do with LABOR.
> >
> > No, it has to do with the ENTIRE liberal agenda
>
> This is staggeringly incredible. The fact that the CTA supported the
> grocery workers on strike makes them "terrorists"??????
>

No, it makes them stupid. What rational person wants to pay more for
groceries, so the clerks can have benefits nobody else has?

> Millions of people supported those workers. Don't look now - you're
> surrounded! ::Gaaaack::
>
Millions more didn't support them, they were just intimidated by the thugs
on the picket lines.

> So far, only three posters to this thread have stooped to this level of
> monumental stupidity: Duh-Mikey, Scottieborg Wittemongrel, and Wormtongue
> "Sacky" Sack-O-****.
>
> Even Arnii "****-for-brains" Kroobeast has more sense than that.
>
>

[ScottW]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message >...
> "Sandman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > This is staggeringly incredible. The fact that the CTA supported the
> > grocery workers on strike makes them "terrorists"??????

Senility rears it's ugly head, again.
> >
>
> No,no, no ,no ,no
> That wasn't me, I didn't call them terroroists.

Nobody made that connection except Sandbrain.

> I was only commenting upon their using member's union
> dues to support the liberal agenda. Some members might
> not appreciate that. Others would. But the dues are
> not voluntary.
>
>
> > Millions of people supported those workers. Don't look now - you're
> > surrounded! ::Gaaaack::
> >
> > So far, only three posters to this thread have stooped to this level of
> > monumental stupidity: Duh-Mikey, Scottieborg Wittemongrel, and Wormtongue
> > "Sacky" Sack-O-****.

So far, the one poster who consistently stoops to blatant lying to
support
his...... (well I hesitate to call it an agenda as thought would
imply a
a cogent strategy)..... vendetta is Sandbrain.
> >
>
> You are putting words in my mouth. I never called unions terrorists,
> and I never took a position against the workers, and for management.
> My recollection is that I commented that the issues were over
> the workers health insurance contributions adn I questioned whether
> a strike was worht the difference in payroll deductions.

I wonder if the teachers union is all happy on the millions down the
drain
in radio adds since the union rolled over and accepted capped health
care costs, reduced pensions, and lower salaries for new workers.

ScottW

[Sandman]

In case you three morons failed to notice, the link was to an article about
a Bush administration official calling a teacher's union "terrorists"

Wittemongrel's opening salvo in response was to attack the California
Teacher's Union for supporting the grocery workers on strike.

He's the one who made the connection. The rest of you followed in your own
ways like sheep.

[Arny Krueger]

"Sandman" > wrote in message

> In case you three morons failed to notice, the link was to an article
> about a Bush administration official calling a teacher's union
> "terrorists"
>
> Wittemongrel's opening salvo in response was to attack the California
> Teacher's Union for supporting the grocery workers on strike.

If you had two synapses that you could rub together to create a coherent
thought Sanders, you'd see the connection.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Sandman" > wrote in message
...
> In case you three morons failed to notice, the link was to an article
about
> a Bush administration official calling a teacher's union "terrorists"
>
> Wittemongrel's opening salvo in response was to attack the California
> Teacher's Union for supporting the grocery workers on strike.
>
> He's the one who made the connection. The rest of you followed in your
own
> ways like sheep.
>

No, I merely commented upon what was written by the previous
poster. In no way does that mean I endorse waht Paige said in the article,
just because it was cited so many posts ago in the same thread.




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[ScottW]

"Sandman" > wrote in message >...
> In case you three morons failed to notice, the link was to an article about
> a Bush administration official calling a teacher's union "terrorists"
>
> Wittemongrel's opening salvo in response was to attack the California
> Teacher's Union for supporting the grocery workers on strike.

The following leap of logic is just another example of Senile Sandbrain's
personnel vendetta.
>
> He's the one who made the connection. The rest of you followed in your own
> ways like sheep.

I simply pointed out that the CTA is engaged in questionable activities.
Show me where I endorsed the terrorist comment?
You can't. Just more liberal lying from our resident embarassment to the left.

ScottW