Bragging Rights

[Arny Krueger]

From: (S888Wheel)
Date: 28 Jan 2004 17:06:49 GMT
Message-ID:

>Fortunately my new Pentium 4 PC with a gig of ram should handle the large
files from the new scanner.

Two words:

Athlon 64

[S888Wheel]

>
>>Fortunately my new Pentium 4 PC with a gig of ram should handle the large
>files from the new scanner.
>
>Two words:
>
>Athlon 64

I considered going that way. I can thank Scott W. for talking me out of it.
I'm sure the gamers are loving it though. I'm also sure that by the time any of
the programs I use come out in 64 bit versions the current Athlon 64 bit chips
will be obsolete. Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is just a waste of money.
I'd rather spend it on records. Why are you talking about computers on RAO
after whining about me doing it?

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message


>>> Fortunately my new Pentium 4 PC with a gig of ram should handle the
>>> large files from the new scanner.

>> Two words:

>> Athlon 64

> I considered going that way. I can thank Scott W. for talking me out
> of it. I'm sure the gamers are loving it though. I'm also sure that
> by the time any of the programs I use come out in 64 bit versions the
> current Athlon 64 bit chips will be obsolete.

Shows how ignorant you both are. The Athlon 64 has a very productive life as
a really fast processor of regular 32 bit programs.

>Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is just a waste of money.

Spoken like a person who blew his limited wad on an inferior product,
sockpuppet wheel.

>I'd rather spend it on records.

Even better is making your own recordings from live performances, which I am
working on as I type this.

> Why are you talking about computers on RAO after whining about me doing
it?

I wanted to see whether that Russian scientist named Pavlov was right. I
guess he was right about creatures like you, sockpuppet wheel.

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> Two words: Athlon 64
>
But Dell only uses Intel® processors, Arny :).

[S888Wheel]

>
>>>> Fortunately my new Pentium 4 PC with a gig of ram should handle the
>>>> large files from the new scanner.
>
>>> Two words:
>
>>> Athlon 64
>
>> I considered going that way. I can thank Scott W. for talking me out
>> of it. I'm sure the gamers are loving it though. I'm also sure that
>> by the time any of the programs I use come out in 64 bit versions the
>> current Athlon 64 bit chips will be obsolete.
>
>Shows how ignorant you both are. The Athlon 64 has a very productive life as
>a really fast processor of regular 32 bit programs.

I investigated it's performance dip****. It offered very poor improvement if
any over my processor for my particular uses. And it would have cost me an
additional 1,000 dollars. That is money that will be spent on something that
actually will make a substantial difference for my purposes.

>
>>Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is just a waste of money.
>
>Spoken like a person who blew his limited wad on an inferior product,
>sockpuppet wheel.

Did that once on a ****ty CD player almost twenty years ago. I learned my
lesson. When will you learn yours? Obsolete sound card collection anyone?

>
>>I'd rather spend it on records.
>
>Even better is making your own recordings from live performances, which I am
>working on as I type this.
>

I am sure it is not better.

>
>> Why are you talking about computers on RAO after whining about me doing
>it?
>
>I wanted to see whether that Russian scientist named Pavlov was right. I
>guess he was right about creatures like you, sockpuppet wheel.

Oh, trolling. I guess this is what someone who cannot excel at anything in life
does with his life.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Powell wrote:


>"Arny Krueger" wrote
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>> Two words: Athlon 64
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>But Dell only uses Intel® processors, Arny :).
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Anybody who uses a Dell computer is a "golden-finger-tipped" know-nothing and
diletante. They are snake oil!


(From a very satisfied Dell computer user - lol).


Bruce J. Richman

[ScottW]

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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> Powell wrote:
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> >"Arny Krueger" wrote
> >
> >> Two words: Athlon 64
> >>
> >But Dell only uses Intel® processors, Arny :).
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> Anybody who uses a Dell computer is a "golden-finger-tipped" know-nothing
and
> diletante. They are snake oil!
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> (From a very satisfied Dell computer user - lol).

Their new gaminig machines are a ripoff.
Way overpriced underperforming pieces of crap.

ScottW

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>>>>> Fortunately my new Pentium 4 PC with a gig of ram should handle
>>>>> the large files from the new scanner.
>>
>>>> Two words:
>>
>>>> Athlon 64
>>
>>> I considered going that way. I can thank Scott W. for talking me
>>> out of it. I'm sure the gamers are loving it though. I'm also sure
>>> that by the time any of the programs I use come out in 64 bit
>>> versions the current Athlon 64 bit chips will be obsolete.

>> Shows how ignorant you both are. The Athlon 64 has a very productive
>> life as a really fast processor of regular 32 bit programs.

> I investigated it's performance dip****.

Next time, try writing your thoughts down in English.

>It offered very poor
> improvement if any over my processor for my particular uses. And it
> would have cost me an additional 1,000 dollars.

LOL! The incremental cost to me was more like $200 to get a 28% improvement.

> That is money that
> will be spent on something that actually will make a substantial
> difference for my purposes.

Given that you claim costs that are 500% of my costs and benefits that are
far less than mine, I guess that it would be hard for you to justify any
kind of improvement.

>>> Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is just a waste of money.

>> Spoken like a person who blew his limited wad on an inferior product,
>> sockpuppet wheel.

> Did that once on a ****ty CD player almost twenty years ago. I
> learned my lesson.

I avoided making that mistake by buying a good Cd player.

> When will you learn yours? Obsolete sound card
> collection anyone?

Here's a news flash from the weird and wonderful world of sockpuppet wheel -
a collection is worthless if it includes obsolete items.

>>> I'd rather spend it on records.

>> Even better is making your own recordings from live performances,
>> which I am working on as I type this.

> I am sure it is not better.

Given all the other false things that you are sure of sockpuppet wheel.

>>> Why are you talking about computers on RAO after whining about me
>>> doing
>> it?

>> I wanted to see whether that Russian scientist named Pavlov was
>> right. I guess he was right about creatures like you, sockpuppet
>> wheel.

> Oh, trolling. I guess this is what someone who cannot excel at
> anything in life does with his life.

Actually there's no guessing because you are expert at not excelling at
anything you do with your life, right sockpuppet wheel?

Your life's lack of excellence is proven by your lack of willingness to
speak about it in terms of verifiable facts, sockpuppet wheel.

[Bruce J. Richman]

ScottW wrote:


>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
>> Powell wrote:
>>
>>
>> >"Arny Krueger" wrote
>> >
>> >> Two words: Athlon 64
>> >>
>> >But Dell only uses Intel® processors, Arny :).
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>> Anybody who uses a Dell computer is a "golden-finger-tipped" know-nothing
>and
>> diletante. They are snake oil!
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>>
>> (From a very satisfied Dell computer user - lol).
>
> Their new gaminig machines are a ripoff.
> Way overpriced underperforming pieces of crap.
>
> ScottW
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My computer needs don't generally involve gaming, so I can't comment on that.
(I do enjoy playing spades competitively on the Microsoft gaming zone once in a
while). For my needs, their computers are ok, their prices are reasonable, and
their customer service (on the rare occasions that I've had to use it) is
effective.


Bruce J. Richman

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" wrote
>
>> Two words: Athlon 64
>>
> But Dell only uses Intel® processors, Arny :).

So what?

[ScottW]

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>
> My computer needs don't generally involve gaming, so I can't comment on
that.
> (I do enjoy playing spades competitively on the Microsoft gaming zone once
in a
> while). For my needs, their computers are ok, their prices are
reasonable, and
> their customer service (on the rare occasions that I've had to use it) is
> effective.
>
>
> Bruce J. Richman
>
>
>

I don't find Dell prices competitive.
They did have a great deal on a large flat panel
the guys at work were raving about recently.
Some 21" for $800 in their business section.

Look at their system prices.
The dimension 8300 is kind of competitive
but the XPS is a joke. Most people won't see
any difference in these machines performance
(especially with a memory upgrade in the 8300)
yet they are almost 2x delta in price.

Both have a crappy vid card BTW.
For the price the XPS should have an
ATI 9800.

ScottW

[Bruce J. Richman]

ScottW wrote:

>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> My computer needs don't generally involve gaming, so I can't comment on
>that.
>> (I do enjoy playing spades competitively on the Microsoft gaming zone once
>in a
>> while). For my needs, their computers are ok, their prices are
>reasonable, and
>> their customer service (on the rare occasions that I've had to use it) is
>> effective.
>>
>>
>> Bruce J. Richman
>>
>>
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> I don't find Dell prices competitive.
>They did have a great deal on a large flat panel
>the guys at work were raving about recently.
>Some 21" for $800 in their business section.
>
>Look at their system prices.
>The dimension 8300 is kind of competitive
>but the XPS is a joke. Most people won't see
>any difference in these machines performance
>(especially with a memory upgrade in the 8300)
>yet they are almost 2x delta in price.
>
>Both have a crappy vid card BTW.
>For the price the XPS should have an
>ATI 9800.
>
>ScottW
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I have a Dimension 8200. Since I don't get involved with high-level gaming or
graphics, I find their video ok.



Bruce J. Richman

[ScottW]

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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> ScottW wrote:
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> I have a Dimension 8200. Since I don't get involved with high-level
gaming or
> graphics, I find their video ok.
>

It doesn't show on the Dell website anymore.
But check this review on PC Mag.

I hope you didn't really pay 3K for this machine.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,4127,00.asp

Anyway, Im sure it runs office and internet applications
just fine.

ScottW

[Bruce J. Richman]

ScottW wrote:


>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
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>> ScottW wrote:
>>
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>> I have a Dimension 8200. Since I don't get involved with high-level
>gaming or
>> graphics, I find their video ok.
>>
>
> It doesn't show on the Dell website anymore.
>But check this review on PC Mag.
>
>I hope you didn't really pay 3K for this machine.
>
>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,4127,00.asp
>
>Anyway, Im sure it runs office and internet applications
>just fine.
>
>ScottW
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Mine is a lot less powerful than the one in the link you provided. Mine, which
is now a couple of years old, has a 1.8 Ghz speed, 40 meg HD, and 17" trinitron
monitor. I paid wel under 2K for it, so I think I did ok. It does an
excellent job for my uses which, aside from Internet, involve word processing
and running a relational database (Paradox) for my LP/CD collection, primarily.
thinking of using it for patient billing I also run some psychological testing
software and psychological services billing software on it, so it's partially a
tax writeoff. So far, it's been reliable and does the jobs I need.



Bruce J. Richman

[Sander deWaal]

(S888Wheel) said:

> I considered going that way. I can thank Scott W. for talking me out of it.
>I'm sure the gamers are loving it though. I'm also sure that by the time any of
>the programs I use come out in 64 bit versions the current Athlon 64 bit chips
>will be obsolete. Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is just a waste of money.
>I'd rather spend it on records. Why are you talking about computers on RAO
>after whining about me doing it?

Isn't it funny how some people can whine about changing tubes every 3
years, but upgrade or buy new computers every 6 months?

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

[Powell]

"ScottW" wrote

> I don't find Dell prices competitive.
>
What brand names do you find more competitive?
What did you purchase?


>They did have a great deal on a large flat panel
> the guys at work were raving about recently.
> Some 21" for $800 in their business section.
>
I purchased a 17" Dell plasma last summer, works
fine. But I thought CRT’s were better for gaming
applications, no? I wouldn’t recommend plasma
for any type of graphic intensive application like
Photoshop.


> Look at their system prices.
> The dimension 8300 is kind of competitive
> but the XPS is a joke. Most people won't see
> any difference in these machines performance
> (especially with a memory upgrade in the 8300)
> yet they are almost 2x delta in price.
>
Don’t know anything about the Dell Dimension series.
The Workstation series, for example, offers multiple
configurations of all the major computer components.


> Both have a crappy vid card BTW.
> For the price the XPS should have an
> ATI 9800.
>
On the custom Dells you can get a variety of high
end video card options... what's the problem?

[Bruce J. Richman]

Bruce J. Richman wrote:


>ScottW wrote:
>
>
>>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
>>> ScottW wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Dimension 8200. Since I don't get involved with high-level
>>gaming or
>>> graphics, I find their video ok.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't show on the Dell website anymore.
>>But check this review on PC Mag.
>>
>>I hope you didn't really pay 3K for this machine.
>>
>>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,4127,00.asp
>>
>>Anyway, Im sure it runs office and internet applications
>>just fine.
>>
>>ScottW
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>Mine is a lot less powerful than the one in the link you provided. Mine,
>which
>is now a couple of years old, has a 1.8 Ghz speed, 40 meg HD, and 17"
>trinitron
>monitor. I paid wel under 2K for it, so I think I did ok. It does an
>excellent job for my uses which, aside from Internet, involve word processing
>and running a relational database (Paradox) for my LP/CD collection,
>primarily.
>thinking of using it for patient billing I also run some psychological
>testing
>software and psychological services billing software on it, so it's partially
>a
>tax writeoff. So far, it's been reliable and does the jobs I need.
>
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>Bruce J. Richman
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>

I probably should have added that, considering that it also came with Windows
XP, Microsoft Word 2000, and Microsoft Works, as well as some CD copying
(Roxio) and digital photo software as well as Norton Anti-Virus software
installed, I felt the deal I got was pretty good, all things considered. (I
could have received Microsoft Office installed for about $ 100 extra, but
already had a version of that available for use).



Bruce J. Richman

[ScottW]

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW wrote:
>
> Mine is a lot less powerful than the one in the link you provided. Mine,
which
> is now a couple of years old, has a 1.8 Ghz speed, 40 meg HD, and 17"
trinitron
> monitor.

I hate those trinitron CRTs for text viewing. They have greater light
output than shadowmask and look cool on graphics but they have
softer edge focus and suck on text IMO.
I had a Viewsonic P95f and sent it back.
It couldn't display small fonts at rated resolution
using the Nokia monitor test.
Its freeware, check it out.

http://www.m3dzone.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7

I even talked to Viewsonic customer service and they said the Trinitrons
have "softer focus" characteristics than other mask types.
I was at Frye's checking out all their monitors and the one with
the sharpest text was the cheapest.
Funny how advances in technology aren't always for the
better in some applications.

ScottW

[dave weil]

On 16 Feb 2004 19:37:54 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
wrote:

>I probably should have added that, considering that it also came with Windows
>XP, Microsoft Word 2000, and Microsoft Works, as well as some CD copying
>(Roxio) and digital photo software as well as Norton Anti-Virus software
>installed, I felt the deal I got was pretty good, all things considered. (I
>could have received Microsoft Office installed for about $ 100 extra, but
>already had a version of that available for use).

I wouldn't think that getting Word and Works would be of much value to
an Office owner.

[Powell]

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote

> (Paradox) for my LP/CD collection, primarily.
>
Are you a Word Perfect user then?


> thinking of using it for patient billing
>
Gack... why not something like Quick Books?

[Bruce J. Richman]

Powell wrote:


>"Bruce J. Richman" wrote
>
>> (Paradox) for my LP/CD collection, primarily.
>>
>Are you a Word Perfect user then?
>

Yep. Most of the time. My first word processing experiences were learned with
Word Perfect, and to this day, I find it easier to use for my limited
applications.


>
>> thinking of using it for patient billing
>>
>Gack... why not something like Quick Books?
>
>
>

Well, most of the billing for psychological services involves uising certain
standardized "procedure codes" and DSM-IV-TR - mandated diagnoses. This is
true, at least, when submitting claims to insurance companies. There are a
variety of specialized software packages that make this job easier without
having to constantly put in all this information "by hand" so to speak. I have
used Quicken for other types of financial activities.



Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

Dave Weil wrote:


>On 16 Feb 2004 19:37:54 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
>wrote:
>
>>I probably should have added that, considering that it also came with
>Windows
>>XP, Microsoft Word 2000, and Microsoft Works, as well as some CD copying
>>(Roxio) and digital photo software as well as Norton Anti-Virus software
>>installed, I felt the deal I got was pretty good, all things considered. (I
>>could have received Microsoft Office installed for about $ 100 extra, but
>>already had a version of that available for use).
>
>I wouldn't think that getting Word and Works would be of much value to
>an Office owner.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I have an older version of Office (97), and therefore, an older version of Word
as part of that office suite. I was simply trying to point out that in
comparing computer prices across brands, I think you also have to take into
account what software might or might not be installed for the price being
asked.

In practice, I use WordPerfect most of the time, but when sending email text
files and for other applications, I use Word 2000 because of its greater use by
other computer users.



Bruce J. Richman

[Powell]

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote

> >> (Paradox) for my LP/CD collection, primarily.
> >>
> >Are you a Word Perfect user then?
> >
>
> Yep. Most of the time. My first word processing
> experiences were learned with Word Perfect, and
> to this day, I find it easier to use for my limited
> applications.
>
I'm a Word Perfect user. Version 2.0 DOS to
current version 11. Quattro Pro is a far better
spread sheet program compared to Excel, too.


> This is true, at least, when submitting claims to
> insurance companies.
>
Do you get into electronically transmitted reports (PDF)?


> There are a variety of specialized software packages that
> make this job easier without having to constantly put in all
> this information "by hand" so to speak.
>
These proprietary software programs, I suspect they
are pricey for licencing fees and updates?

[S888Wheel]

>>>>>> Fortunately my new Pentium 4 PC with a gig of ram should handle
>>>>>> the large files from the new scanner.
>>>
>>>>> Two words:
>>>
>>>>> Athlon 64
>>>
>>>> I considered going that way. I can thank Scott W. for talking me
>>>> out of it. I'm sure the gamers are loving it though. I'm also sure
>>>> that by the time any of the programs I use come out in 64 bit
>>>> versions the current Athlon 64 bit chips will be obsolete.
>
>>> Shows how ignorant you both are. The Athlon 64 has a very productive
>>> life as a really fast processor of regular 32 bit programs.
>
>> I investigated it's performance dip****.
>
>Next time, try writing your thoughts down in English.
>

That was English dip****.


>>It offered very poor
>> improvement if any over my processor for my particular uses. And it
>> would have cost me an additional 1,000 dollars.
>
>LOL! The incremental cost to me was more like $200 to get a 28% improvement.
>
>> That is money that
>> will be spent on something that actually will make a substantial
>> difference for my purposes.
>
>Given that you claim costs that are 500% of my costs and benefits that are
>far less than mine, I guess that it would be hard for you to justify any
>kind of improvement.
>

Time to get back on the Lithium. You are not making any sense whatsoever.



>>>> Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is just a waste of money.
>
>>> Spoken like a person who blew his limited wad on an inferior product,
>>> sockpuppet wheel.
>
>> Did that once on a ****ty CD player almost twenty years ago. I
>> learned my lesson.
>
>I avoided making that mistake by buying a good Cd player.
>

Then you more than made up for it with your collection of obsolete sound cards.
Why is a guy like you on sy\uch a limmited budget wasting money on sound cards
and neglecting every other aspect of your stereo?



>> When will you learn yours? Obsolete sound card
>> collection anyone?
>
>Here's a news flash from the weird and wonderful world of sockpuppet wheel -
>a collection is worthless if it includes obsolete items.
>

So why not answer the question? We all know your collection includes such
items.


>>>> I'd rather spend it on records.
>
>>> Even better is making your own recordings from live performances,
>>> which I am working on as I type this.
>
>> I am sure it is not better.
>
>Given all the other false things that you are sure of sockpuppet wheel.
>

How about trying complete sentences in the future. Maybe then they may make
some sense.


>>>> Why are you talking about computers on RAO after whining about me
>>>> doing
>>> it?
>
>>> I wanted to see whether that Russian scientist named Pavlov was
>>> right. I guess he was right about creatures like you, sockpuppet
>>> wheel.
>
>> Oh, trolling. I guess this is what someone who cannot excel at
>> anything in life does with his life.
>
>Actually there's no guessing because you are expert at not excelling at
>anything you do with your life, right sockpuppet wheel?
>

I am not an expert but I am not guessing that you have never excelled at
anything. You said it yourself.


>Your life's lack of excellence is proven by your lack of willingness to
>speak about it in terms of verifiable facts, sockpuppet wheel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Bull****.

[ScottW]

"Powell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ScottW" wrote
>
> > I don't find Dell prices competitive.
> >
> What brand names do you find more competitive?
> What did you purchase?

No name clone from a little PC store around the corner.
They actually built me a machine with my spec'd parts
for about $100 less than I could by the parts on E-bay
buy it now.

An Asus mobrd, P4C800, 2.8 Ghz P4 with 800 Mhz
FSB, DVD, CD burner, ATI 9500 Pro vid card,
Sonata case.
It plays Call of Duty, MoHaa, and BF1942
with frame rates in the 90s at 1200x1024
res. (actually higher but the message text in Mohaa is
too small to read).
This machine has been the most stable I ever had.
I haven't had one OS lockup in 6 months of use.

It isn't bleeding edge but has been a rock solid
DX8, OpenGL gamer for about $900.
I'm sure prices are even less now, that was
6 months ago.
>
>
> >They did have a great deal on a large flat panel
> > the guys at work were raving about recently.
> > Some 21" for $800 in their business section.
> >
> I purchased a 17" Dell plasma last summer, works
> fine. But I thought CRT's were better for gaming
> applications, no? I wouldn't recommend plasma
> for any type of graphic intensive application like
> Photoshop.
>
>
> > Look at their system prices.
> > The dimension 8300 is kind of competitive
> > but the XPS is a joke. Most people won't see
> > any difference in these machines performance
> > (especially with a memory upgrade in the 8300)
> > yet they are almost 2x delta in price.
> >
> Don't know anything about the Dell Dimension series.
> The Workstation series, for example, offers multiple
> configurations of all the major computer components.

They are flexible and their machines are fine. They just
aren't the best of deals, particularly on the higher end
machines. They really tack on a premium.

>
>
> > Both have a crappy vid card BTW.
> > For the price the XPS should have an
> > ATI 9800.
> >
> On the custom Dells you can get a variety of high
> end video card options... what's the problem?

They're already overpriced and you want to pay more?

Dell offers nice machines and stands behind 'em but you have to
pay for it. If you know what you want, you easily beat Dell's
price performance points.

ScottW

[Bruce J. Richman]

Powell wrote:


>"Bruce J. Richman" wrote
>
>> >> (Paradox) for my LP/CD collection, primarily.
>> >>
>> >Are you a Word Perfect user then?
>> >
>>
>> Yep. Most of the time. My first word processing
>> experiences were learned with Word Perfect, and
>> to this day, I find it easier to use for my limited
>> applications.
>>
>I'm a Word Perfect user. Version 2.0 DOS to
>current version 11. Quattro Pro is a far better
>spread sheet program compared to Excel, too.
>
>
>> This is true, at least, when submitting claims to
>> insurance companies.
>>
>Do you get into electronically transmitted reports (PDF)?
>
>

I've done some of this in the past. But mostly, no - just billing, which I've
at times also been able to do electronically - it's depended on the company
involved.



>> There are a variety of specialized software packages that
>> make this job easier without having to constantly put in all
>> this information "by hand" so to speak.
>>
>These proprietary software programs, I suspect they
>are pricey for licencing fees and updates?
>
>

>

They can be, but usually once the program is purchased, it's not really
necessary to update it. I'm not really into updates, even with basic
wordprocessing. I use pretty old versions of both Paradox and Wordperfect,
xince they seem to do the job OK for me.



Bruce J. Richman

[S888Wheel]

I wouldn’t recommend plasma
>for any type of graphic intensive application like
>Photoshop.

Good call.

[Powell]

"ScottW" wrote

> > > I don't find Dell prices competitive.
> > >
> > What brand names do you find more competitive?
> > What did you purchase?
>
> No name clone from a little PC store around the corner.
> They actually built me a machine with my spec'd parts
> for about $100 less than I could by the parts on E-bay
> buy it now.
>
Makes me wonder how your vendor makes a living on
such slim margins. This probably explains why Arny
is so frugal :).


> > > Both have a crappy vid card BTW.
> > > For the price the XPS should have an
> > > ATI 9800.
> > >
> > On the custom Dells you can get a variety of high
> > end video card options... what's the problem?
>
> They're already overpriced and you want to pay more?
>
It’s a business expense so it doesn’t much matter what
the final cost is if you make up for it in improved efficiency.
OTOH, I’m not into gaming and wouldn’t spend any
disposable income supporting such an activity. Heck, I
even find casino gambling boring.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Le Artiste wrote:


>"Bruce J. Richman" emitted :
>
>>In practice, I use WordPerfect most of the time, but when sending email text
>>files and for other applications, I use Word 2000 because of its greater use
>by
>>other computer users.
>
>Sometimes I have to work out tricks to make Word 2000 do what I want
>it to do. It's a very naughty program and it should be punished.
>
>
>--
>S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
>
>
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>
>
>
>

Agreed. It's tendency to automatically indent numbered sentences, for example,
is just one of its idiosyncracies that I'd rather llive without.


Bruce J. Richman

[Bruce J. Richman]

the Captain wrote:


>On 17 Feb 2004 15:52:43 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
>wrote:
>
>>Agreed. It's tendency to automatically indent numbered sentences, for
>example,
>>is just one of its idiosyncracies that I'd rather llive without.
>
>http://www.openoffice.org/
>
>This software is wonderful. It doesn't crash, and since using it I
>haven't lost any work. I hate Word.
>
>--
>td
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>
>
>

thanks, dev. I'll check it out.



Bruce J. Richman

[Powell]

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote

> Agreed. It's tendency to automatically indent numbered
> sentences, for example, is just one of its idiosyncracies
> that I'd rather llive without.
>
Easy fix. Go to Tools/QuickCorrect/Format-As-You-Go.
Uncheck the box: List and Outlines created as you type.

[Lionel]

Captain wrote:

> On 17 Feb 2004 15:52:43 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
> wrote:
>
>
>>Agreed. It's tendency to automatically indent numbered sentences, for example,
>>is just one of its idiosyncracies that I'd rather llive without.
>
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/
>
> This software is wonderful. It doesn't crash, and since using it I
> haven't lost any work. I hate Word.

I second that.
OpenOffice and Mozilla is the best couple of software you can get now.
I don't know any word processor as instable as MS Word.

[ScottW]

"Powell" > wrote in message >...
> >
> It?s a business expense so it doesn?t much matter what
> the final cost is if you make up for it in improved efficiency.

I think a competitor enjoying the same efficiency improvement
at half the expense might be able to turn that into an advantage.

> OTOH, I?m not into gaming and wouldn?t spend any
> disposable income supporting such an activity. Heck, I
> even find casino gambling boring.

I used to play paintball for fun. It was a blast until
they finally prohibited it on national forest land.
The pay field games aren't as fun. Too little cover,
too much paint flying around.
Anyway, Medal of Honor Allied Assault and Call of Duty
remind me of paintball without the bruises.

Casino gambling against the house (which I find boring as well) isn't close
to the excitement and competition of these games.

ScottW

[Lionel]

Le Artiste wrote:

> "Lionel" emitted :
>
>
>>OpenOffice and Mozilla is the best couple of software you can get now.
>
>
> I've been using Thunderbird and Firebird, thanks to Nexus6's
> recommendation. Both are excellent products. I should say Thunderbird
> is not *totally* stable, but if you treat it with respect..

Have you already tested the 0.4 version ?

[ScottW]

"Le Artiste" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" emitted :
>
> >Casino gambling against the house (which I find boring as well) isn't
close
> >to the excitement and competition of these games.
>
> How would you like to empty your wallet into mine in a game of Texas
> Hold 'em No Limits next time I'm passing..? ;-)

Sure, after I school you on the pool table :)

ScottW

[Powell]

"Le Artiste" wrote

> Here's another one. I have a line of text using a non-default font
> type and size. If I insert the cursor before the first character and
> start typing it uses the default, which is illogical in most cases. To
> get around it I type after the first character and then delete the
> character, or manually pick the font type and size from the drop-down.
>
If we're still talking WP... I can't replicate your issue.
What version are we discussing here? If you're
creating a html document or working off one your
work-around may be your best solution.

> I've also experienced random formatting problems when dividing tables,
> inputting text between paragraphs, sometimes even in the middle of a
> stream of text. I can't pinpoint exactly how and when this happens, as
> there seems to be no consistency (ie if I repeat the action I may get
> different results.)
>
Check your View/Revel Codes window to determine
what changes are being made to your document.

[Powell]

"ScottW" wrote

> > OTOH, I?m not into gaming and wouldn?t spend any
> > disposable income supporting such an activity. Heck, I
> > even find casino gambling boring.
>
> I used to play paintball for fun. It was a blast until
> they finally prohibited it on national forest land.
> The pay field games aren't as fun. Too little cover,
> too much paint flying around.
> Anyway, Medal of Honor Allied Assault and Call of Duty
> remind me of paintball without the bruises.
>
> Casino gambling against the house (which I find boring
> as well) isn't close to the excitement and competition of
> these games.
>
I can still remember a time when I had free-time, but
just barely :).

[ScottW]

"Le Artiste" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" emitted :
>
> >> >Casino gambling against the house (which I find boring as well) isn't
close
> >> >to the excitement and competition of these games.
> >>
> >> How would you like to empty your wallet into mine in a game of Texas
> >> Hold 'em No Limits next time I'm passing..? ;-)
> >
> > Sure, after I school you on the pool table :)
>
> I'm not sure what 'school' means in this context, but I do tend to
> excel at the game of pool. Are you any good?

I've got a nice 8' table in my game room and occasionally
run a rack. A few years ago my game was pretty good
but I haven't played much of late.

I thought you guys all played snooker?

ScottW

[Socko Van Puppet]

>From: Fragrant ****flaps, The

>But all in good fun. :-)

I think that's what Truman said right after Hiroshima.

socko