Stay with 6x8's or go with 6.5 inch

[Mark]

Hi there,

Cost is a factor here and I want to keep things basic/simple. No wood
spacers, boards, no drilling, etc. My OEM speakers are 6x8. I want to
upgrade the speakers and I was thinking just to have 6x8's all around.
My primary concern is improving the overall quality a bit here. I dont
want to be bothered with rattles and speaker noises. I have already
decided against a sub.

I see that 6.5 inch speakers are generally less expensive than 6x8's. I
am just wondering if I should stay with 6x8(5x7) or go with 6.5 adapter
rings.

Thanks

[Brandonb]

I've noticed that generally the 6x8 to 6.5/5.25 adapters are flimsly and
break easily or tend to rattle. You can either shore them up with
something like dynamat or equivalent or make your own. That said, I've
both used 6x8s and made the adapters for mine and friends' vehicles. The
Pioneer 6x8 2-ways are rather decent actually.

Brandonb


Mark wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Cost is a factor here and I want to keep things basic/simple. No wood
> spacers, boards, no drilling, etc. My OEM speakers are 6x8. I want to
> upgrade the speakers and I was thinking just to have 6x8's all around.
> My primary concern is improving the overall quality a bit here. I dont
> want to be bothered with rattles and speaker noises. I have already
> decided against a sub.
>
> I see that 6.5 inch speakers are generally less expensive than 6x8's. I
> am just wondering if I should stay with 6x8(5x7) or go with 6.5 adapter
> rings.
>
> Thanks
>

[Captain Howdy]

I'm using a pair of pioneer 4-way 6x8"s in my doors and they sound nice.

In article >, Brandonb
> wrote:
>I've noticed that generally the 6x8 to 6.5/5.25 adapters are flimsly and
>break easily or tend to rattle. You can either shore them up with
>something like dynamat or equivalent or make your own. That said, I've
>both used 6x8s and made the adapters for mine and friends' vehicles. The
>Pioneer 6x8 2-ways are rather decent actually.
>
>Brandonb
>
>
>Mark wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Cost is a factor here and I want to keep things basic/simple. No wood
>> spacers, boards, no drilling, etc. My OEM speakers are 6x8. I want to
>> upgrade the speakers and I was thinking just to have 6x8's all around.
>> My primary concern is improving the overall quality a bit here. I dont
>> want to be bothered with rattles and speaker noises. I have already
>> decided against a sub.
>>
>> I see that 6.5 inch speakers are generally less expensive than 6x8's. I
>> am just wondering if I should stay with 6x8(5x7) or go with 6.5 adapter
>> rings.
>>
>> Thanks
>>

[mfreak]

I recently blew up my Alpines and replaced them with Pioneer 6x8's
kevlar something-or-others. They sound good, they're loud,
inexpensive, and take more power. I like em a lot, even better than the
Alpines.. My installer recommended them, and I thought it'd be a step
down quality-wise, but he convinced me it wouldn't be, and it wasn't.

I prefer 6x8's over 6.5's. 6x8's are bigger than 6.5's, so I think you
do better with the bass/midbass, which is great for you if you aren't
getting a sub. Also, I beleive the avg 6x8 takes more power and is
louder than the avg 6.5.

[GregS]

In article <G3T2g.62751$P01.21436@pd7tw3no>, "Mark" > wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>Cost is a factor here and I want to keep things basic/simple. No wood
>spacers, boards, no drilling, etc. My OEM speakers are 6x8. I want to
>upgrade the speakers and I was thinking just to have 6x8's all around.
>My primary concern is improving the overall quality a bit here. I dont
>want to be bothered with rattles and speaker noises. I have already
>decided against a sub.
>
>I see that 6.5 inch speakers are generally less expensive than 6x8's. I
>am just wondering if I should stay with 6x8(5x7) or go with 6.5 adapter
>rings.

I can't imaging whats in many vehicles. I'll give an example how I fixed
my 93 Dakota. I examined the door 5 inchers or whatever. I needed to reduce the highs. I painted the
cone and treated the surrounds, like I do on many speakers I make. Many OEM
types have thin flimsy cones to enhance the highs, which basically sucks, because
it causes anoying peaks. The back speaker I really damped the speakers
to get rid of some of the rear projection. After the tweeters are installed and crossed over, things
worked very nice. I probably spent 80 hours planning and tweaking this system.

greg

[Brandon Buckner]

When I was listening to them, I liked the highs but not the mids, and
conversly with the Alpine, I liked the mids but not the highs. The
Pioneers seemed to be better matched for my tastes. There were some
other brands that worked well also, but cost about twice as much for
damn near the same sound.

Brandonb


Mark wrote:
> That's good to know. I hear a lot about the Pioneers but not much
about
> the Infinity's. What makes them so popular?
> I'm thinking of Infinity 2 way (6812's) and MTX's 6802 in the back
> because they don't take much power which is what I want since I am using
> a stock deck.
>

[Mark]

The Pioneers specs tend to match your sentiments: 35Hz ~ 22-kHz
While the Alpine's are generally 35Hz - 30kHz

M

Brandon Buckner wrote:
: When I was listening to them, I liked the highs but not the mids, and
: conversly with the Alpine, I liked the mids but not the highs. The
: Pioneers seemed to be better matched for my tastes. There were some
: other brands that worked well also, but cost about twice as much for
: damn near the same sound.
:
: Brandonb
:
:
: Mark wrote:
: > That's good to know. I hear a lot about the Pioneers but not much
: about
:: the Infinity's. What makes them so popular?
:: I'm thinking of Infinity 2 way (6812's) and MTX's 6802 in the back
:: because they don't take much power which is what I want since I am
:: using a stock deck.

[Brandonb]

If I remember correctly, I found them tinny. They played plenty high
enough, just annoyed me to listen to them.

Brandonb


Mark wrote:
> The Pioneers specs tend to match your sentiments: 35Hz ~ 22-kHz
> While the Alpine's are generally 35Hz - 30kHz
>
> M
>
> Brandon Buckner wrote:
> : When I was listening to them, I liked the highs but not the mids, and
> : conversly with the Alpine, I liked the mids but not the highs. The
> : Pioneers seemed to be better matched for my tastes. There were some
> : other brands that worked well also, but cost about twice as much for
> : damn near the same sound.
> :
> : Brandonb
> :
> :
> : Mark wrote:
> : > That's good to know. I hear a lot about the Pioneers but not much
> : about
> :: the Infinity's. What makes them so popular?
> :: I'm thinking of Infinity 2 way (6812's) and MTX's 6802 in the back
> :: because they don't take much power which is what I want since I am
> :: using a stock deck.

[Mark]

Brandonb wrote:
: If I remember correctly, I found them tinny. They played plenty high
: enough, just annoyed me to listen to them.
:
Sorry, which speakers did you find tinny?

[Brandonb]

Mark wrote:
> Brandonb wrote:
> : If I remember correctly, I found them tinny. They played plenty high
> : enough, just annoyed me to listen to them.
> :
> Sorry, which speakers did you find tinny?
>
My apologies. I was referring to the Alpines. Its been some time now and
I listened to a lot of speakers that day, but I think it was the Alpines.

For the price range I was looking at (<$120), and at the store I was at,
it basically came down to Boston Accoustics, Alpine, Infinity, Pioneer,
and Sony. The Kickers, MTX, Crossfire, and higher end lines of already
mentioned brands plus some others didn't factor in that day as I wasn't
willing to pay that much. Of those, It came down to Alpine, Infinity and
Pioneer.

I may be reversing the two brands in my head, but I do recall that
between the Alpine and Infinity speakers, I liked the mids really well
on one and not the highs (tinny, screechy, whathaveyou), and I liked the
highs on one but not the mids. It was like if they swapped tweeters one
would have been perfect. The Pioneer ended up being the best mix of the
two, and I was quite happy with them in the rear doors of my Contour and
the MTX Black Gold components up front off my Phoenix Gold ZX450
4-channel amp.

Brandonb

[Mark]

Brandonb wrote:
::
: My apologies. I was referring to the Alpines. Its been some time now
: and I listened to a lot of speakers that day, but I think it was the
: Alpines.

No problem.
:
: For the price range I was looking at (<$120), and at the store I was
: at, it basically came down to Boston Accoustics, Alpine, Infinity,
: Pioneer, and Sony. The Kickers, MTX, Crossfire, and higher end lines
: of already mentioned brands plus some others didn't factor in that
: day as I wasn't willing to pay that much. Of those, It came down to
: Alpine, Infinity and Pioneer.

I think it may have been the Alpines as I heard a pair of 5x7 Alpines
and I think they had good mid range but not enough bass. I heard the
Infinitys 6812's and they were bright, quite high but I didnt think they
were tinny. Sound is so subjective. Perhaps we may have heard different
Infinity models?

: I may be reversing the two brands in my head, but I do recall that
: between the Alpine and Infinity speakers, I liked the mids really well
: on one and not the highs (tinny, screechy, whathaveyou), and I liked
: the highs on one but not the mids. It was like if they swapped
: tweeters one would have been perfect. The Pioneer ended up being the
: best mix of the two, and I was quite happy with them in the rear
: doors of my Contour and the MTX Black Gold components up front off my
: Phoenix Gold ZX450 4-channel amp.

Which model of Pioneer?

[bob wald]

in speakers id only go with either jvc-polk-kicker-''visonik, maybe''
i find infinity you either go all infinity or none. infinity its own
sound.very good tho.but others are just about as good at half the
money...