Thiel CS1.6

[ngslg]

I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like some opinions. I
listened to them at a shop which hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab
Seris Integrated amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find that some music
can get a bit bright.

1) What is a good pairing of an integrated amp with CS1.6? Is AVI a
good choice?

2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the Arcam A80). With
these 2 pairings, which speakers should I be considering?

3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with the similar price
range, are there any other speakers that I can consider?


Cheers!

[ngslg]

Sorry, there is a typo. I tested the B&W 704 with Arcam A80 NOT the
804.

[Harry Lavo]

"ngslg" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like some opinions. I
> listened to them at a shop which hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab
> Seris Integrated amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
> decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find that some music
> can get a bit bright.
>
> 1) What is a good pairing of an integrated amp with CS1.6? Is AVI a
> good choice?
>
> 2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the Arcam A80). With
> these 2 pairings, which speakers should I be considering?
>
> 3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with the similar price
> range, are there any other speakers that I can consider?
>

Thiel's are time and phase coherent so they mate well with amps which sound
"coherent". And they can be mercilessly revealing on the high end if an amp
is at all "bright". I would look for an integrated with a fair amount of
power, and a slightly "dark" but highly musical ("rounded") sound. The
NAD's come to mind. Perhaps a Conrad-Johnson. Or a Naim.
Theil's generally sound good (but quite different) with both tubes and
solid-state. In general, they seem very favorably disposed to tubes,
perhaps because they are time and phase aligned and seem to reveal the
"dimensionality" that tubes tend to impart. On the other hand, a solid
state amp will bring out their dynamic ability and lower bass punch, to the
degree it is present.

I'd try to listen to them with a variety of amps before you decide.

Harry (who runs five full range Thiels in a multi-channel music setup).

[Steven Sullivan]

Harry Lavo > wrote:

> "ngslg" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like some opinions. I
> > listened to them at a shop which hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab
> > Seris Integrated amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
> > decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find that some music
> > can get a bit bright.
> >
> > 1) What is a good pairing of an integrated amp with CS1.6? Is AVI a
> > good choice?
> >
> > 2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the Arcam A80). With
> > these 2 pairings, which speakers should I be considering?
> >
> > 3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with the similar price
> > range, are there any other speakers that I can consider?
> >

> Thiel's are time and phase coherent so they mate well with amps which sound
> "coherent".

Magical thinking at its best, Harry. Bravo.


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[MINe 109]

In article >,
Steven Sullivan > wrote:

> Harry Lavo > wrote:
>
> > "ngslg" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > >I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like some opinions. I
> > > listened to them at a shop which hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab
> > > Seris Integrated amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
> > > decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find that some music
> > > can get a bit bright.
> > >
> > > 1) What is a good pairing of an integrated amp with CS1.6? Is AVI a
> > > good choice?
> > >
> > > 2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the Arcam A80). With
> > > these 2 pairings, which speakers should I be considering?
> > >
> > > 3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with the similar price
> > > range, are there any other speakers that I can consider?
> > >
>
> > Thiel's are time and phase coherent so they mate well with amps which sound
> > "coherent".
>
> Magical thinking at its best, Harry. Bravo.

C'mon! Who wants an incoherent amp?

Stephen

[Harry Lavo]

"Steven Sullivan" > wrote in message
...
> Harry Lavo > wrote:
>
>> "ngslg" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like some opinions. I
>> > listened to them at a shop which hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab
>> > Seris Integrated amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
>> > decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find that some music
>> > can get a bit bright.
>> >
>> > 1) What is a good pairing of an integrated amp with CS1.6? Is AVI a
>> > good choice?
>> >
>> > 2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the Arcam A80). With
>> > these 2 pairings, which speakers should I be considering?
>> >
>> > 3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with the similar price
>> > range, are there any other speakers that I can consider?
>> >
>
>> Thiel's are time and phase coherent so they mate well with amps which
>> sound
>> "coherent".
>
> Magical thinking at its best, Harry. Bravo.
>

Oh, yeah, I forgot....nothing in your experience could be considered
coherent or otherwise. It aint on the spec sheet. Sleep the blissful sleep
of the unaware, Steven.

BTW, I notice you snipped the actual information I gave him re
brands....without mention that you are doing so. Can't deal with real
information lest somebody agree with me, eh Steven?.

[Arny Krueger]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> Steven Sullivan > wrote:
>
>> Harry Lavo > wrote:
>>
>>> "ngslg" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>> I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like
>>>> some opinions. I listened to them at a shop which
>>>> hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab Seris Integrated
>>>> amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
>>>> decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find
>>>> that some music can get a bit bright.
>>>>
>>>> 1) What is a good pairing of an integrated amp with
>>>> CS1.6? Is AVI a good choice?
>>>>
>>>> 2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the
>>>> Arcam A80). With these 2 pairings, which speakers
>>>> should I be considering?
>>>>
>>>> 3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with the
>>>> similar price range, are there any other speakers that
>>>> I can consider?
>>>>
>>
>>> Thiel's are time and phase coherent so they mate well
>>> with amps which sound "coherent".
>>
>> Magical thinking at its best, Harry. Bravo.
>
> C'mon! Who wants an incoherent amp?

Some of the switchmode amps and tubed that the golden ears go ga-ga over can
be pretty close to being incoherent.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Steven Sullivan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Harry Lavo > wrote:
>>
>>> "ngslg" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>> I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like
>>>> some opinions. I listened to them at a shop which
>>>> hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab Seris Integrated
>>>> amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
>>>> decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find
>>>> that some music can get a bit bright. 1) What is a good pairing of an
>>>> integrated amp with
>>>> CS1.6? Is AVI a good choice?
>>>>
>>>> 2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the
>>>> Arcam A80). With these 2 pairings, which speakers
>>>> should I be considering? 3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W,
>>>> with the
>>>> similar price range, are there any other speakers that
>>>> I can consider?
>>
>>> Thiel's are time and phase coherent so they mate well
>>> with amps which sound
>>> "coherent".
>>
>> Magical thinking at its best, Harry. Bravo.

> Oh, yeah, I forgot....nothing in your experience could be
> considered coherent or otherwise. It aint on the spec
> sheet. Sleep the blissful sleep of the unaware, Steven.

Tell all about your bias-controlled listening tests of power amp, Harry.

Here's some practical hints on how to do your first ones:

http://bruce.coppola.name/audio/Amp_Sound.pdf

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/assets/download/AmpSpekerInterface.pdf


<Note that as a practical matter Harry forgot everything he knew about how
to do proper subjective evaluations when he left that (what was it?) food
manufacturer that he used to work for>

[MINe 109]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > Steven Sullivan > wrote:
> >
> >> Harry Lavo > wrote:
> >>
> >>> "ngslg" > wrote in message
> >>> oups.com...
> >>>> I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like
> >>>> some opinions. I listened to them at a shop which
> >>>> hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab Seris Integrated
> >>>> amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
> >>>> decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find
> >>>> that some music can get a bit bright.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) What is a good pairing of an integrated amp with
> >>>> CS1.6? Is AVI a good choice?
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the
> >>>> Arcam A80). With these 2 pairings, which speakers
> >>>> should I be considering?
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with the
> >>>> similar price range, are there any other speakers that
> >>>> I can consider?
> >>>>
> >>
> >>> Thiel's are time and phase coherent so they mate well
> >>> with amps which sound "coherent".
> >>
> >> Magical thinking at its best, Harry. Bravo.
> >
> > C'mon! Who wants an incoherent amp?
>
> Some of the switchmode amps and tubed that the golden ears go ga-ga over can
> be pretty close to being incoherent.

And some of those cheap pro amps, too.

Do I find tubed switchmode amps in the same section as the tubed cd
players?

Stephen

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

From: Arny Krueger - view profile
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 8:08 am
Email: "Arny Krueger" >

<snip worthless post>

Shut up. Your dishonesty has been proven beyond doubt.

You're a worthless troll. You've admitted as much.

[Clyde Slick]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steven Sullivan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Harry Lavo > wrote:
>>
>>> "ngslg" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>> >I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6 so would like some opinions. I
>>> > listened to them at a shop which hooks up the Thiel CS1.6 to AVI Lab
>>> > Seris Integrated amp. I felt that CS1.6 sounded real good and had a
>>> > decent bass even though it's 2-way. However, I find that some music
>>> > can get a bit bright.
>>> >
>>> > 1) What is a good pairing of an integrated amp with CS1.6? Is AVI a
>>> > good choice?
>>> >
>>> > 2) I am also considering the B&W 804 (but using the Arcam A80). With
>>> > these 2 pairings, which speakers should I be considering?
>>> >
>>> > 3) Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with the similar price
>>> > range, are there any other speakers that I can consider?
>>> >
>>
>>> Thiel's are time and phase coherent so they mate well with amps which
>>> sound
>>> "coherent".
>>
>> Magical thinking at its best, Harry. Bravo.
>>
>
> Oh, yeah, I forgot....nothing in your experience could be considered
> coherent or otherwise. It aint on the spec sheet. Sleep the blissful
> sleep of the unaware, Steven.
>
> BTW, I notice you snipped the actual information I gave him re
> brands....without mention that you are doing so. Can't deal with real
> information lest somebody agree with me, eh Steven?.
>

Oh dear, we can't have sillyborgs roaming around the hive.
That won't do.



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[Bret Ludwig]

My experience with Thiels is that they sound no different from a lot of
the Madisound type kits at prices ranging from a third to a sixth of
the Thiels. They are very overrated and overpriced.

[Harry Lavo]

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> My experience with Thiels is that they sound no different from a lot of
> the Madisound type kits at prices ranging from a third to a sixth of
> the Thiels. They are very overrated and overpriced.
>

Not my experience, but you are welcome to your opinion.

[Bret Ludwig]

Harry Lavo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > My experience with Thiels is that they sound no different from a lot of
> > the Madisound type kits at prices ranging from a third to a sixth of
> > the Thiels. They are very overrated and overpriced.
> >
>
> Not my experience, but you are welcome to your opinion.

As always, "Your Mileage May Vary". I found them a pretty generic
sounding speaker, not objectionable especially, not great, I rate them
just a little under Vandersteens.

[Powell]

"ngslg" wrote

> I am considering to buy the Thiel CS1.6...
> I am also considering the B&W 704...
>
> Before I set my mind of Thiel and B&W, with
> the similar price range, are there any other
> speakers that I can consider?
>
At or below that same price range ($2,200- 2,400),
add to your short list Paradigm Studio 60 ($1,600)
or Studio 100 ($2,300).
http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteReferenceProduct/ReferenceProduct.html

[ngslg]

What about Totem Sttaf or Totem in general?