Kill Switch

[Steve]

My goal is to put a kill switch in the remote wire that leads back
to my amp. I went to Radio Shack today to pick up a switch and the guy
told me this would be a bad idea due to possible surges and such. He
stated that there could be a big surge when the switch is switched on
and something about it being DC current. He said if I was going to
chance this, then I should put a fuse in the line.

Ok... Up front I am not an electrician or an electronic engineer
or anything this of the such. So, now this guy has me worried about
frying up my amp or something. But I figured I couldn't be the only
person in the world to want to power down an amp at will. There has to
be a way.

I have read other groups where people talk about doing
this. But, I couldn't find a lot of information solely on this topic.

My questions are these:

1. First of all, is this a bad idea? By doing this, could I fry the
amp or something?

2. What do I need to do what I want to do? What kind of switch do I
need (amp. rating, etc)?

Thank you very much in advance for your input.....

[KU40]

1. No, it is not a bad idea, and no you won't fry the amp doing this.

2. pretty much any old switch will do. Very little current passes
through this wire, usually a couple hundred milliamps.

you can put a fuse in the line if you want. I don't really know what
the guy is talking about, because your entire car is DC and everything
has switches to turn it on, mainly by the ignition. Also, think about
your heater, AC, power windows, etc. Those are run by all switches.


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KU40

[Phillip Devoll]

"Steve" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> My goal is to put a kill switch in the remote wire that leads back
> to my amp. I went to Radio Shack today to pick up a switch and the guy
> told me this would be a bad idea due to possible surges and such. He
> stated that there could be a big surge when the switch is switched on
> and something about it being DC current. He said if I was going to
> chance this, then I should put a fuse in the line.
>
> Ok... Up front I am not an electrician or an electronic engineer
> or anything this of the such. So, now this guy has me worried about
> frying up my amp or something. But I figured I couldn't be the only
> person in the world to want to power down an amp at will. There has to
> be a way.
>
> I have read other groups where people talk about doing
> this. But, I couldn't find a lot of information solely on this topic.
>
> My questions are these:
>
> 1. First of all, is this a bad idea? By doing this, could I fry the
> amp or something?
>
> 2. What do I need to do what I want to do? What kind of switch do I
> need (amp. rating, etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your input.....
>
Well the guy does not know what he is talking about........ there is almost
no current going though the turn on line.....
just get a toggle siitch and put it inline with the turn on lead...
But that is just my opinion....

[JimJ[VT]]

Using an SPST (single-pole, single-throw) switch would be the easiest,
no worrying about which pole or contact to wire it to, etc...

The guy at Radioshack was an idiot, to no surprise.


--
JimJ[VT]

[Austin Becker]

This is exactly what I did. Tell the guy at Radio Shack that he's a ****
tard. Typically your remote lead is so small any excess current being drawn
through it would probably smoke the wire first. But yeah, that's stupid.

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- AUSTIN BECKER
"Steve" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> My goal is to put a kill switch in the remote wire that leads back
> to my amp. I went to Radio Shack today to pick up a switch and the guy
> told me this would be a bad idea due to possible surges and such. He
> stated that there could be a big surge when the switch is switched on
> and something about it being DC current. He said if I was going to
> chance this, then I should put a fuse in the line.
>
> Ok... Up front I am not an electrician or an electronic engineer
> or anything this of the such. So, now this guy has me worried about
> frying up my amp or something. But I figured I couldn't be the only
> person in the world to want to power down an amp at will. There has to
> be a way.
>
> I have read other groups where people talk about doing
> this. But, I couldn't find a lot of information solely on this topic.
>
> My questions are these:
>
> 1. First of all, is this a bad idea? By doing this, could I fry the
> amp or something?
>
> 2. What do I need to do what I want to do? What kind of switch do I
> need (amp. rating, etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your input.....
>

[Matt Ion]

Phillip Devoll wrote:
> "Steve" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>> My goal is to put a kill switch in the remote wire that leads back
>>to my amp. I went to Radio Shack today to pick up a switch and the guy
>>told me this would be a bad idea due to possible surges and such. He
>>stated that there could be a big surge when the switch is switched on
>>and something about it being DC current. He said if I was going to
>>chance this, then I should put a fuse in the line.
>>
>> Ok... Up front I am not an electrician or an electronic engineer
>>or anything this of the such. So, now this guy has me worried about
>>frying up my amp or something. But I figured I couldn't be the only
>>person in the world to want to power down an amp at will. There has to
>>be a way.
>>
>> I have read other groups where people talk about doing
>>this. But, I couldn't find a lot of information solely on this topic.
>>
>> My questions are these:
>>
>> 1. First of all, is this a bad idea? By doing this, could I fry the
>>amp or something?
>>
>> 2. What do I need to do what I want to do? What kind of switch do I
>>need (amp. rating, etc)?
>>
>>Thank you very much in advance for your input.....
>>
>
> Well the guy does not know what he is talking about........ there is almost
> no current going though the turn on line.....
> just get a toggle siitch and put it inline with the turn on lead...
> But that is just my opinion....

Your opinion is correct, adding a switch, even a small light-duty one,
to the remote lead to the amp will be no problem. The Radio Shack guy
probably thought the OP wanted to put a switch in the main power line.


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[Steve]

Thank you very much.. I feel better about doing it now. I figured the
"**** Tard" :o) had something screwed up in his head.

Thanks again...

[Cyrus]

In article . com>,
"Steve" > wrote:

> My goal is to put a kill switch in the remote wire that leads back
> to my amp. I went to Radio Shack today to pick up a switch and the guy
> told me this would be a bad idea due to possible surges and such. He
> stated that there could be a big surge when the switch is switched on
> and something about it being DC current. He said if I was going to
> chance this, then I should put a fuse in the line.
>
> Ok... Up front I am not an electrician or an electronic engineer
> or anything this of the such. So, now this guy has me worried about
> frying up my amp or something. But I figured I couldn't be the only
> person in the world to want to power down an amp at will. There has to
> be a way.
>
> I have read other groups where people talk about doing
> this. But, I couldn't find a lot of information solely on this topic.
>
> My questions are these:
>
> 1. First of all, is this a bad idea? By doing this, could I fry the
> amp or something?
>
> 2. What do I need to do what I want to do? What kind of switch do I
> need (amp. rating, etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your input.....
>

Employees of this store do not get the job for their expertise in such
matters, after all.

Current is not the job of the remote switch from your hu. Your main red
side is another matter.

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Cyrus

*coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough*

[Chad Wahls]

"Steve" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> My goal is to put a kill switch in the remote wire that leads back
> to my amp. I went to Radio Shack today to pick up a switch and the guy
> told me this would be a bad idea due to possible surges and such. He
> stated that there could be a big surge when the switch is switched on
> and something about it being DC current. He said if I was going to
> chance this, then I should put a fuse in the line.
>
> Ok... Up front I am not an electrician or an electronic engineer
> or anything this of the such. So, now this guy has me worried about
> frying up my amp or something. But I figured I couldn't be the only
> person in the world to want to power down an amp at will. There has to
> be a way.
>
> I have read other groups where people talk about doing
> this. But, I couldn't find a lot of information solely on this topic.
>
> My questions are these:
>
> 1. First of all, is this a bad idea? By doing this, could I fry the
> amp or something?
>
> 2. What do I need to do what I want to do? What kind of switch do I
> need (amp. rating, etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your input.....
>

Radio shack: you got questions, we got cell phones :)

He's wrong on two fronts. On AC circuits you have to watch for inrush
curents due to the power transformer. Think inertia and lack of in the
primary windings.

In DC land you get inrush current from caps but not on a remote lead, it's
also voltage driven not current driven circuitry.

I wonder if he thought you were going to try to switch B+ with that little
switch?

Another reason why when I go to radio shaq I look as if I have blinders on
and go straight to the parts bins, screaming "no thanks I already have a
cell phone" :)

Chad

[airbornflght]

wtf is going on in here?


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airbornflght

[Martin Perry]

A switch isn't a problem unless your amplifier does not have built in
power delay or whatever you call it. i cant remember, but the point is
the same, you may get a power on or power off pop from your subs if you
do this, which can be really bad for them. luckily if this happens you
can just buy a relay and put it in line on the remote lead between the
amp and the switch.

Chad Wahls wrote:
> "Steve" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> My goal is to put a kill switch in the remote wire that leads back
>> to my amp. I went to Radio Shack today to pick up a switch and the guy
>> told me this would be a bad idea due to possible surges and such. He
>> stated that there could be a big surge when the switch is switched on
>> and something about it being DC current. He said if I was going to
>> chance this, then I should put a fuse in the line.
>>
>> Ok... Up front I am not an electrician or an electronic engineer
>> or anything this of the such. So, now this guy has me worried about
>> frying up my amp or something. But I figured I couldn't be the only
>> person in the world to want to power down an amp at will. There has to
>> be a way.
>>
>> I have read other groups where people talk about doing
>> this. But, I couldn't find a lot of information solely on this topic.
>>
>> My questions are these:
>>
>> 1. First of all, is this a bad idea? By doing this, could I fry the
>> amp or something?
>>
>> 2. What do I need to do what I want to do? What kind of switch do I
>> need (amp. rating, etc)?
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance for your input.....
>>
>
> Radio shack: you got questions, we got cell phones :)
>
> He's wrong on two fronts. On AC circuits you have to watch for inrush
> curents due to the power transformer. Think inertia and lack of in the
> primary windings.
>
> In DC land you get inrush current from caps but not on a remote lead, it's
> also voltage driven not current driven circuitry.
>
> I wonder if he thought you were going to try to switch B+ with that little
> switch?
>
> Another reason why when I go to radio shaq I look as if I have blinders on
> and go straight to the parts bins, screaming "no thanks I already have a
> cell phone" :)
>
> Chad
>
>

[Austin Becker]

u a pilot?

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- AUSTIN BECKER
"airbornflght" > wrote in
message ...
>
> wtf is going on in here?
>
>
> --
> airbornflght

[Chad Wahls]

As long as the switch is not THE remote turn on and in line with the remote
turn on the chances of a pop are actually reduced. Remember rule of thumb,
amps on last, off first. If wired inline there could be no scenario that
the head unit will turn on after the amps or off before the amps. If the
switch is used, it would be the same as an intelligent delay box, Mucho
better for thumps and pops.

Chad
"Martin Perry" > wrote in message
...
>A switch isn't a problem unless your amplifier does not have built in power
>delay or whatever you call it. i cant remember, but the point is the same,
>you may get a power on or power off pop from your subs if you do this,
>which can be really bad for them. luckily if this happens you can just buy
>a relay and put it in line on the remote lead between the amp and the
>switch.
>
> Chad Wahls wrote:
>> "Steve" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> My goal is to put a kill switch in the remote wire that leads back
>>> to my amp. I went to Radio Shack today to pick up a switch and the guy
>>> told me this would be a bad idea due to possible surges and such. He
>>> stated that there could be a big surge when the switch is switched on
>>> and something about it being DC current. He said if I was going to
>>> chance this, then I should put a fuse in the line.
>>>
>>> Ok... Up front I am not an electrician or an electronic engineer
>>> or anything this of the such. So, now this guy has me worried about
>>> frying up my amp or something. But I figured I couldn't be the only
>>> person in the world to want to power down an amp at will. There has to
>>> be a way.
>>>
>>> I have read other groups where people talk about doing
>>> this. But, I couldn't find a lot of information solely on this topic.
>>>
>>> My questions are these:
>>>
>>> 1. First of all, is this a bad idea? By doing this, could I fry the
>>> amp or something?
>>>
>>> 2. What do I need to do what I want to do? What kind of switch do I
>>> need (amp. rating, etc)?
>>>
>>> Thank you very much in advance for your input.....
>>>
>>
>> Radio shack: you got questions, we got cell phones :)
>>
>> He's wrong on two fronts. On AC circuits you have to watch for inrush
>> curents due to the power transformer. Think inertia and lack of in the
>> primary windings.
>>
>> In DC land you get inrush current from caps but not on a remote lead,
>> it's also voltage driven not current driven circuitry.
>>
>> I wonder if he thought you were going to try to switch B+ with that
>> little switch?
>>
>> Another reason why when I go to radio shaq I look as if I have blinders
>> on and go straight to the parts bins, screaming "no thanks I already have
>> a cell phone" :)
>>
>> Chad

[airbornflght]

no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter pilot, but
my vision isnt up to par is what the recruiter told me, so my dreams
were crushed, now I'll have to go to college, get a job as a software
engineer, get paid lots of money and go home and chill. not the
adrenaline rush of a jet and missles, but I love programming, so I
guess its not so bad.


--
airbornflght

[Vivek]

Don't worry. You can still fly gliders for ~ a grand per hour. I think
gliders can give you more G's than jet. Austin might be able to guide you
more.

"airbornflght" > wrote in
message ...
>
> no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter pilot, but
> my dreams
> were crushed,

[Austin Becker]

Well, for one, if you are 16, you are not out of high school. To become a
fighter pilot, you have to finish a bachelor degree (by means of paying to
go to a university or allowing the navy to pay you to go through their
academy. I'm not sure about navy rotc because I don't think I've ever heard
of it). So, take what the local Navy recruiter said, and tell him to stick
it up his ass.. Because if he was allowing you to think for a minute that
you might even be elligible to be a pilot at 16, he's a liar. While vision
does disqualify people, make sure you do the research to find out for sure.
I know the Air Force will allow you to fly if your vision is correctible to
20/20

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"airbornflght" > wrote in
message ...
>
> no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter pilot, but
> my vision isnt up to par is what the recruiter told me, so my dreams
> were crushed, now I'll have to go to college, get a job as a software
> engineer, get paid lots of money and go home and chill. not the
> adrenaline rush of a jet and missles, but I love programming, so I
> guess its not so bad.
>
>
> --
> airbornflght

[MOSFET]

Sure Austin, dash his dreams.

"Austin Becker" > wrote in message
news:meaXf.659517$084.488409@attbi_s22...
> Well, for one, if you are 16, you are not out of high school. To become a
> fighter pilot, you have to finish a bachelor degree (by means of paying to
> go to a university or allowing the navy to pay you to go through their
> academy. I'm not sure about navy rotc because I don't think I've ever
> heard
> of it). So, take what the local Navy recruiter said, and tell him to
> stick
> it up his ass.. Because if he was allowing you to think for a minute that
> you might even be elligible to be a pilot at 16, he's a liar. While
> vision
> does disqualify people, make sure you do the research to find out for
> sure.
> I know the Air Force will allow you to fly if your vision is correctible
> to
> 20/20
>
> --
> - AUSTIN BECKER
> "airbornflght" > wrote
> in
> message ...
>>
>> no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter pilot, but
>> my vision isnt up to par is what the recruiter told me, so my dreams
>> were crushed, now I'll have to go to college, get a job as a software
>> engineer, get paid lots of money and go home and chill. not the
>> adrenaline rush of a jet and missles, but I love programming, so I
>> guess its not so bad.
>>
>>
>> --
>> airbornflght
>
>

[Austin Becker]

A reality check for a lying recruiter is a little different than dashing his
dreams. I'd love to see him become a pilot, but I am telling him that you
can't do it without a degree. That's not waiverable.

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"MOSFET" > wrote in message
m...
> Sure Austin, dash his dreams.
>
> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
> news:meaXf.659517$084.488409@attbi_s22...
> > Well, for one, if you are 16, you are not out of high school. To become
a
> > fighter pilot, you have to finish a bachelor degree (by means of paying
to
> > go to a university or allowing the navy to pay you to go through their
> > academy. I'm not sure about navy rotc because I don't think I've ever
> > heard
> > of it). So, take what the local Navy recruiter said, and tell him to
> > stick
> > it up his ass.. Because if he was allowing you to think for a minute
that
> > you might even be elligible to be a pilot at 16, he's a liar. While
> > vision
> > does disqualify people, make sure you do the research to find out for
> > sure.
> > I know the Air Force will allow you to fly if your vision is correctible
> > to
> > 20/20
> >
> > --
> > - AUSTIN BECKER
> > "airbornflght" >
wrote
> > in
> > message ...
> >>
> >> no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter pilot,
but
> >> my vision isnt up to par is what the recruiter told me, so my dreams
> >> were crushed, now I'll have to go to college, get a job as a software
> >> engineer, get paid lots of money and go home and chill. not the
> >> adrenaline rush of a jet and missles, but I love programming, so I
> >> guess its not so bad.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> airbornflght
> >
> >
>
>

[MOSFET]

No, I agree with you. I was just teasing.

"Austin Becker" > wrote in message
news:AYjXf.70154$oL.32008@attbi_s71...
>A reality check for a lying recruiter is a little different than dashing
>his
> dreams. I'd love to see him become a pilot, but I am telling him that you
> can't do it without a degree. That's not waiverable.
>
> --
> - AUSTIN BECKER
> "MOSFET" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Sure Austin, dash his dreams.
>>
>> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
>> news:meaXf.659517$084.488409@attbi_s22...
>> > Well, for one, if you are 16, you are not out of high school. To
>> > become
> a
>> > fighter pilot, you have to finish a bachelor degree (by means of paying
> to
>> > go to a university or allowing the navy to pay you to go through their
>> > academy. I'm not sure about navy rotc because I don't think I've ever
>> > heard
>> > of it). So, take what the local Navy recruiter said, and tell him to
>> > stick
>> > it up his ass.. Because if he was allowing you to think for a minute
> that
>> > you might even be elligible to be a pilot at 16, he's a liar. While
>> > vision
>> > does disqualify people, make sure you do the research to find out for
>> > sure.
>> > I know the Air Force will allow you to fly if your vision is
>> > correctible
>> > to
>> > 20/20
>> >
>> > --
>> > - AUSTIN BECKER
>> > "airbornflght" >
> wrote
>> > in
>> > message ...
>> >>
>> >> no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter pilot,
> but
>> >> my vision isnt up to par is what the recruiter told me, so my dreams
>> >> were crushed, now I'll have to go to college, get a job as a software
>> >> engineer, get paid lots of money and go home and chill. not the
>> >> adrenaline rush of a jet and missles, but I love programming, so I
>> >> guess its not so bad.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> airbornflght
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[Austin Becker]

:) Yeah, let me get off on a little off topic rant. Well it's kind of on
topic for this thread, but off from car audio.

I joined the Air Force in May of 2003. I didn't enter basic training til
October of '03, but none the less, I was considered "DEP" or Delayed
Enlistment Program where you wait your turn for a chance to go to basic
training (the Air Force is very tough to get involved with unless you're
willing to wait). My recruiter was very straight forward with me. He
didn't tell me a single lie. I know this for sure, because I had done
research on http://usmilitary.about.com and I was well aware of what I was
getting in to. He didn't promise me any sort of bad ass job, nor did he
tell me I was capable of becoming anything that I wasn't qualified for. I
get so ****ing angry when I hear about recruiters telling someone that they
can "join the army and become..." this or that, when I know very well that a
recruiter can not promise anyone anything for the military. This is with
the exception of recruiting a commissioned officer. Those guys already have
their degrees and they are fully qualified to be an officer, but they have
to test into their jobs just like enlisted folks do. When I hear about some
stupid ass Navy, Marines AND Air Force recruiter even allowing a potential
recruit to think that they can come in and fly planes without a degree it
makes me sick to my stomach. The reason for this is because they are
essentially setting these guys and gals up for failure in the military. The
lifestyle that you can live in the military is phenomenal. There's no way
in hell I'd have ever gotten where I am in regards to my lifestyle nor my
education if it weren't for the military. The recruiters that lie to their
recruits get the troops so disgruntled that they don't even care about
bettering their career. They just think "Hell, I'll do 4 and out" when
there are so many opportunities that get hidden from them due to quotas.
This hits closest to home because I have orders to leave my career field (I
work avionics systems on the F-15 Eagle) and become an Air Force recruiter.
I am going to make it my honest effort to treat anyone who comes in my
office with the same respect my recruiter gave me. No unrealistic dreams of
flying as a Sergeant.... it's just not possible. I will teach them how to
become pilots while they are in (as in knocking their school out), and show
them how the retirement system works. I just get so ****ed off about
recruiters blatantly lying about something that they can not deliver. My
recruiter delivered everything he's told me he could, and I would go back
and re-enlist any day of the week.

OK, my rant is over. I hope that wasn't disturbing to you all. I just get
angry (especially when I've been at Friday's pounding down Long Island Tea's
and Vodka drinks!

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- AUSTIN BECKER
"MOSFET" > wrote in message
m...
> No, I agree with you. I was just teasing.
>
> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
> news:AYjXf.70154$oL.32008@attbi_s71...
> >A reality check for a lying recruiter is a little different than dashing
> >his
> > dreams. I'd love to see him become a pilot, but I am telling him that
you
> > can't do it without a degree. That's not waiverable.
> >
> > --
> > - AUSTIN BECKER
> > "MOSFET" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >> Sure Austin, dash his dreams.
> >>
> >> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
> >> news:meaXf.659517$084.488409@attbi_s22...
> >> > Well, for one, if you are 16, you are not out of high school. To
> >> > become
> > a
> >> > fighter pilot, you have to finish a bachelor degree (by means of
paying
> > to
> >> > go to a university or allowing the navy to pay you to go through
their
> >> > academy. I'm not sure about navy rotc because I don't think I've
ever
> >> > heard
> >> > of it). So, take what the local Navy recruiter said, and tell him to
> >> > stick
> >> > it up his ass.. Because if he was allowing you to think for a minute
> > that
> >> > you might even be elligible to be a pilot at 16, he's a liar. While
> >> > vision
> >> > does disqualify people, make sure you do the research to find out for
> >> > sure.
> >> > I know the Air Force will allow you to fly if your vision is
> >> > correctible
> >> > to
> >> > 20/20
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > - AUSTIN BECKER
> >> > "airbornflght" >
> > wrote
> >> > in
> >> > message ...
> >> >>
> >> >> no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter pilot,
> > but
> >> >> my vision isnt up to par is what the recruiter told me, so my dreams
> >> >> were crushed, now I'll have to go to college, get a job as a
software
> >> >> engineer, get paid lots of money and go home and chill. not the
> >> >> adrenaline rush of a jet and missles, but I love programming, so I
> >> >> guess its not so bad.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> airbornflght
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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[Chad Wahls]

AUSTIN!!!!! Well put.......

I'd rather work avioincs ):

Retirement is right!

My wife is 22 years Federal Civil Service and I am Sate Civil Service.
Ride it out if it is for you, I'm gonna :)

Chad

[Jester]

Wheres the AFGE steward?

He needs to be here.

[Bruce Musgrove]

BRavo Zulu.... Although in all fairness, some fields can be guaranteed in
the Army and Navy because they are critically short of personnel, Such as
the Navy Nuclear power program
Granted , you have to meet the requirements (ASVAB Scores are high enough) ,
and you pass all of your in rate training classes and schools.......

I went Navy because my Air Force recruiter told me "I don' need to guarantee
you **** boy. People join the Air Force for the privilege." Well, in any
service there are a few jerks.... I told my dad that (22 year Chief master
sergeant) and he had a talk with that gentleman's attitude.

Point being, my Navy recruiter was a lifer and he shot straight from the
hip. I was in DEP for almost a year and assisted him quite a bit. He always
was straight up. If you did not qualify for a program he told you. If you
were going to be assigned according to the "Needs of the Navy" he told you.
More importantly, he never lied about going out on deployments. He told us
right off the bat how hard it would be and how hard we would be working our
butt off......

I am glad to hear you plan on being straight up..... Don't let the
"recruiting numbers" oriented officers brow beat you into comprising your
Morals / ethics

Bruce
Ex MM1/SS, USN


"Austin Becker" > wrote in message
news:a4pXf.660492$084.613561@attbi_s22...
> :) Yeah, let me get off on a little off topic rant. Well it's kind of on
> topic for this thread, but off from car audio.
>
> I joined the Air Force in May of 2003. I didn't enter basic training til
> October of '03, but none the less, I was considered "DEP" or Delayed
> Enlistment Program where you wait your turn for a chance to go to basic
> training (the Air Force is very tough to get involved with unless you're
> willing to wait). My recruiter was very straight forward with me. He
> didn't tell me a single lie. I know this for sure, because I had done
> research on http://usmilitary.about.com and I was well aware of what I was
> getting in to. He didn't promise me any sort of bad ass job, nor did he
> tell me I was capable of becoming anything that I wasn't qualified for. I
> get so ****ing angry when I hear about recruiters telling someone that
> they
> can "join the army and become..." this or that, when I know very well that
> a
> recruiter can not promise anyone anything for the military. This is with
> the exception of recruiting a commissioned officer. Those guys already
> have
> their degrees and they are fully qualified to be an officer, but they have
> to test into their jobs just like enlisted folks do. When I hear about
> some
> stupid ass Navy, Marines AND Air Force recruiter even allowing a potential
> recruit to think that they can come in and fly planes without a degree it
> makes me sick to my stomach. The reason for this is because they are
> essentially setting these guys and gals up for failure in the military.
> The
> lifestyle that you can live in the military is phenomenal. There's no way
> in hell I'd have ever gotten where I am in regards to my lifestyle nor my
> education if it weren't for the military. The recruiters that lie to
> their
> recruits get the troops so disgruntled that they don't even care about
> bettering their career. They just think "Hell, I'll do 4 and out" when
> there are so many opportunities that get hidden from them due to quotas.
> This hits closest to home because I have orders to leave my career field
> (I
> work avionics systems on the F-15 Eagle) and become an Air Force
> recruiter.
> I am going to make it my honest effort to treat anyone who comes in my
> office with the same respect my recruiter gave me. No unrealistic dreams
> of
> flying as a Sergeant.... it's just not possible. I will teach them how to
> become pilots while they are in (as in knocking their school out), and
> show
> them how the retirement system works. I just get so ****ed off about
> recruiters blatantly lying about something that they can not deliver. My
> recruiter delivered everything he's told me he could, and I would go back
> and re-enlist any day of the week.
>
> OK, my rant is over. I hope that wasn't disturbing to you all. I just
> get
> angry (especially when I've been at Friday's pounding down Long Island
> Tea's
> and Vodka drinks!
>
> --
> - AUSTIN BECKER
> "MOSFET" > wrote in message
> m...
>> No, I agree with you. I was just teasing.
>>
>> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
>> news:AYjXf.70154$oL.32008@attbi_s71...
>> >A reality check for a lying recruiter is a little different than dashing
>> >his
>> > dreams. I'd love to see him become a pilot, but I am telling him that
> you
>> > can't do it without a degree. That's not waiverable.
>> >
>> > --
>> > - AUSTIN BECKER
>> > "MOSFET" > wrote in message
>> > m...
>> >> Sure Austin, dash his dreams.
>> >>
>> >> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
>> >> news:meaXf.659517$084.488409@attbi_s22...
>> >> > Well, for one, if you are 16, you are not out of high school. To
>> >> > become
>> > a
>> >> > fighter pilot, you have to finish a bachelor degree (by means of
> paying
>> > to
>> >> > go to a university or allowing the navy to pay you to go through
> their
>> >> > academy. I'm not sure about navy rotc because I don't think I've
> ever
>> >> > heard
>> >> > of it). So, take what the local Navy recruiter said, and tell him
>> >> > to
>> >> > stick
>> >> > it up his ass.. Because if he was allowing you to think for a
>> >> > minute
>> > that
>> >> > you might even be elligible to be a pilot at 16, he's a liar. While
>> >> > vision
>> >> > does disqualify people, make sure you do the research to find out
>> >> > for
>> >> > sure.
>> >> > I know the Air Force will allow you to fly if your vision is
>> >> > correctible
>> >> > to
>> >> > 20/20
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > - AUSTIN BECKER
>> >> > "airbornflght" >
>> > wrote
>> >> > in
>> >> > message ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter
>> >> >> pilot,
>> > but
>> >> >> my vision isnt up to par is what the recruiter told me, so my
>> >> >> dreams
>> >> >> were crushed, now I'll have to go to college, get a job as a
> software
>> >> >> engineer, get paid lots of money and go home and chill. not the
>> >> >> adrenaline rush of a jet and missles, but I love programming, so I
>> >> >> guess its not so bad.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> airbornflght
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[Austin Becker]

For sure. Air Force recruiters who "Don't have to guarantee ****" really
agitate the hell out of me. They don't have to, but they also don't have to
give an attitude either. There are tactful ways of explaining Air Force
needs, and any enlisted person (or officer for that matter) can tell you
that. It's a shame that people want to act that way. Being in any military
branch is a privilege (some just have better quality of life than others,
i.e Air Force and Navy live far nicer than most any Army or Marine Corps,
and I dont know about the Coast Guard although they are no longer DOD).
Either way, numbers aren't going to coax me into being a liar. I am pretty
blunt and honest, so I will tell people exactly how it is. Now how I want
them to think it is! Congrats to you, and to your Father. CMSgt is a hell
of a place to be!

--
- AUSTIN BECKER
"Bruce Musgrove" > wrote in message
...
> BRavo Zulu.... Although in all fairness, some fields can be guaranteed in
> the Army and Navy because they are critically short of personnel, Such as
> the Navy Nuclear power program
> Granted , you have to meet the requirements (ASVAB Scores are high enough)
,
> and you pass all of your in rate training classes and schools.......
>
> I went Navy because my Air Force recruiter told me "I don' need to
guarantee
> you **** boy. People join the Air Force for the privilege." Well, in any
> service there are a few jerks.... I told my dad that (22 year Chief master
> sergeant) and he had a talk with that gentleman's attitude.
>
> Point being, my Navy recruiter was a lifer and he shot straight from the
> hip. I was in DEP for almost a year and assisted him quite a bit. He
always
> was straight up. If you did not qualify for a program he told you. If you
> were going to be assigned according to the "Needs of the Navy" he told
you.
> More importantly, he never lied about going out on deployments. He told
us
> right off the bat how hard it would be and how hard we would be working
our
> butt off......
>
> I am glad to hear you plan on being straight up..... Don't let the
> "recruiting numbers" oriented officers brow beat you into comprising your
> Morals / ethics
>
> Bruce
> Ex MM1/SS, USN
>
>
> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
> news:a4pXf.660492$084.613561@attbi_s22...
> > :) Yeah, let me get off on a little off topic rant. Well it's kind of
on
> > topic for this thread, but off from car audio.
> >
> > I joined the Air Force in May of 2003. I didn't enter basic training
til
> > October of '03, but none the less, I was considered "DEP" or Delayed
> > Enlistment Program where you wait your turn for a chance to go to basic
> > training (the Air Force is very tough to get involved with unless you're
> > willing to wait). My recruiter was very straight forward with me. He
> > didn't tell me a single lie. I know this for sure, because I had done
> > research on http://usmilitary.about.com and I was well aware of what I
was
> > getting in to. He didn't promise me any sort of bad ass job, nor did he
> > tell me I was capable of becoming anything that I wasn't qualified for.
I
> > get so ****ing angry when I hear about recruiters telling someone that
> > they
> > can "join the army and become..." this or that, when I know very well
that
> > a
> > recruiter can not promise anyone anything for the military. This is
with
> > the exception of recruiting a commissioned officer. Those guys already
> > have
> > their degrees and they are fully qualified to be an officer, but they
have
> > to test into their jobs just like enlisted folks do. When I hear about
> > some
> > stupid ass Navy, Marines AND Air Force recruiter even allowing a
potential
> > recruit to think that they can come in and fly planes without a degree
it
> > makes me sick to my stomach. The reason for this is because they are
> > essentially setting these guys and gals up for failure in the military.
> > The
> > lifestyle that you can live in the military is phenomenal. There's no
way
> > in hell I'd have ever gotten where I am in regards to my lifestyle nor
my
> > education if it weren't for the military. The recruiters that lie to
> > their
> > recruits get the troops so disgruntled that they don't even care about
> > bettering their career. They just think "Hell, I'll do 4 and out" when
> > there are so many opportunities that get hidden from them due to quotas.
> > This hits closest to home because I have orders to leave my career field
> > (I
> > work avionics systems on the F-15 Eagle) and become an Air Force
> > recruiter.
> > I am going to make it my honest effort to treat anyone who comes in my
> > office with the same respect my recruiter gave me. No unrealistic
dreams
> > of
> > flying as a Sergeant.... it's just not possible. I will teach them how
to
> > become pilots while they are in (as in knocking their school out), and
> > show
> > them how the retirement system works. I just get so ****ed off about
> > recruiters blatantly lying about something that they can not deliver.
My
> > recruiter delivered everything he's told me he could, and I would go
back
> > and re-enlist any day of the week.
> >
> > OK, my rant is over. I hope that wasn't disturbing to you all. I just
> > get
> > angry (especially when I've been at Friday's pounding down Long Island
> > Tea's
> > and Vodka drinks!
> >
> > --
> > - AUSTIN BECKER
> > "MOSFET" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >> No, I agree with you. I was just teasing.
> >>
> >> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
> >> news:AYjXf.70154$oL.32008@attbi_s71...
> >> >A reality check for a lying recruiter is a little different than
dashing
> >> >his
> >> > dreams. I'd love to see him become a pilot, but I am telling him
that
> > you
> >> > can't do it without a degree. That's not waiverable.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > - AUSTIN BECKER
> >> > "MOSFET" > wrote in message
> >> > m...
> >> >> Sure Austin, dash his dreams.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Austin Becker" > wrote in message
> >> >> news:meaXf.659517$084.488409@attbi_s22...
> >> >> > Well, for one, if you are 16, you are not out of high school. To
> >> >> > become
> >> > a
> >> >> > fighter pilot, you have to finish a bachelor degree (by means of
> > paying
> >> > to
> >> >> > go to a university or allowing the navy to pay you to go through
> > their
> >> >> > academy. I'm not sure about navy rotc because I don't think I've
> > ever
> >> >> > heard
> >> >> > of it). So, take what the local Navy recruiter said, and tell him
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > stick
> >> >> > it up his ass.. Because if he was allowing you to think for a
> >> >> > minute
> >> > that
> >> >> > you might even be elligible to be a pilot at 16, he's a liar.
While
> >> >> > vision
> >> >> > does disqualify people, make sure you do the research to find out
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > sure.
> >> >> > I know the Air Force will allow you to fly if your vision is
> >> >> > correctible
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > 20/20
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > - AUSTIN BECKER
> >> >> > "airbornflght"
>
> >> > wrote
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > message ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> no..im only 16, i wanted to go into the navy and be a fighter
> >> >> >> pilot,
> >> > but
> >> >> >> my vision isnt up to par is what the recruiter told me, so my
> >> >> >> dreams
> >> >> >> were crushed, now I'll have to go to college, get a job as a
> > software
> >> >> >> engineer, get paid lots of money and go home and chill. not the
> >> >> >> adrenaline rush of a jet and missles, but I love programming, so
I
> >> >> >> guess its not so bad.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> airbornflght
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[mjcp]

Don't forget!
Radio Shack owned the Home computer Market before anyone knew what home
computers were!
But now they aren't even mentioned in any of the documentaries about the
history of home computers.
The days when someone at Radio Shack had to understand electronics ended in
the late 1970's.

Now they offer a catalog, ask if you know the part number your looking for,
then go back to playing with little Japanese race cars and hello Kitty
radios.