Arny insults all subjectivists [Archive]

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

March 6th 06, 05:20 AM

From: Jenn
Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
Email: Jenn >

>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>> assholes on usenet.

>Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?

nob does this all the time. It must have to do with those elusive
'debating trade' points I keep reading about.

If you tell nob that a position he took on some matter is stupid, he
responds with 'If I'm stupid, then I can now join the Democratic Party.
Have some more Kool-Aid.'

In this case, he took the well-known 'IKYABWAI' route. Far more
childish (if such a thing is possible), but an equally valid 'debating
trade' tactic in nob's 'mind.'

I *knew* the post yesterday was from a forger. There's no way that nob
could actually have said that he and Mr. Krueger frequently act in a
nasty fashion, bringing most of the nastiness that they get upon
themselves.

That was far too honest of a post for nob; this is what 'we' would
expect from him.;-)

Jenn

March 6th 06, 06:33 AM

In article . com>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> From: Jenn
> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
> Email: Jenn >
>
> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
> >> assholes on usenet.
>
> >Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>
> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with those elusive
> 'debating trade' points I keep reading about.
<snip>

I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
"most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
Unreal.

March 6th 06, 08:14 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> " > wrote:
>
>> Robert Morein wrote:
>> > Arny said,
>> > "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of this
>> > foul
>> > behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
>> > subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet are
>> > more
>> > insulting, more profane, and more childish."
>> >
>> > This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
>> > intellectual
>> > bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
>>
>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>> assholes on usenet.
>
> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?

Only wrong ones?

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

March 6th 06, 08:16 AM

From: Jenn
Date: Mon, Mar 6 2006 12:33 am
Email: Jenn >

>I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
>"most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
>seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.

He's one of them.

You may not have seen nob saying that businesses that do not want to
serve black people shouldn't have to. nob values private property
rights over the rights of human beings. He thinks that the private
property rights of the owner take precedence over human rights.

One can extrapolate from this that the private property rights of
business owners include sexually harrassing employees. After all, the
employee can work elsewhere, right?

nob's got some very strange and backward beliefs.

>Unreal.

I know. Sad, but true.

March 6th 06, 08:21 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
>
>> From: Jenn
>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
>> Email: Jenn >
>>
>> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>> >> assholes on usenet.
>>
>> >Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>>
>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with those elusive
>> 'debating trade' points I keep reading about.
> <snip>
>
> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
> "most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
> seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
> Unreal.

Well I don't want to associate in any way people that are not smart enough
to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as well as not well thought
out.

I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and opposed to all forms
of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully agree with the character
over color notion and find anybody who is not in agreement with it, is not
worth me bothering to know.

On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are nearly always the
so-called subjectivists, that's from observation. The minute you start
trying to get people to understand that they may have really heard the
things they think they heard and explain how they could have been fooled,
they get oh so ****y.

[email protected]

March 6th 06, 09:44 AM

124 wrote:

> I agree. There are, though, some subjectivists here that are pleasant.
> I have enjoyed some cordial exchanges with some of them. George,
> however, is a special case. All of the worst of all of the bad
> subjectivists put together cannot approach what George is capable of.

Uh-huh. Ok. I'm gonna pretend you didn't just say that....

Arny Krueger

March 6th 06, 12:55 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> . com>,
> " > wrote:
>
>> Robert Morein wrote:
>>> Arny said,
>>> "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just
>>> about all of this foul behavior has generally been
>>> traceable to people of the so-called subjectivist
>>> persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet
>>> are more insulting, more profane, and more childish."
>>>
>>> This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst
>>> form of intellectual bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
>>
>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant
>> and bigotted assholes on usenet.
>
> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?

All generalizations are false, including this one.

Jenn

March 6th 06, 03:02 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article
> > . com>,
> > " > wrote:
> >
> >> Robert Morein wrote:
> >>> Arny said,
> >>> "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just
> >>> about all of this foul behavior has generally been
> >>> traceable to people of the so-called subjectivist
> >>> persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet
> >>> are more insulting, more profane, and more childish."
> >>>
> >>> This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst
> >>> form of intellectual bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
> >>
> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant
> >> and bigotted assholes on usenet.
> >
> > Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>
> All generalizations are false, including this one.

I'm glad that we agree.

Jenn

March 6th 06, 03:03 PM

In article >,
> wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . com>,
> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
> >
> >> From: Jenn
> >> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
> >> Email: Jenn >
> >>
> >> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
> >> >> assholes on usenet.
> >>
> >> >Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
> >>
> >> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with those elusive
> >> 'debating trade' points I keep reading about.
> > <snip>
> >
> > I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
> > "most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
> > seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
> > Unreal.
>
> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that are not smart enough
> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as well as not well thought
> out.
>
> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and opposed to all forms
> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully agree with the character
> over color notion and find anybody who is not in agreement with it, is not
> worth me bothering to know.
>
> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are nearly always the
> so-called subjectivists, that's from observation. The minute you start
> trying to get people to understand that they may have really heard the
> things they think they heard and explain how they could have been fooled,
> they get oh so ****y.

I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.

Jenn

March 6th 06, 03:04 PM

In article >,
> wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . com>,
> > " > wrote:
> >
> >> Robert Morein wrote:
> >> > Arny said,
> >> > "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of this
> >> > foul
> >> > behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
> >> > subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet are
> >> > more
> >> > insulting, more profane, and more childish."
> >> >
> >> > This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
> >> > intellectual
> >> > bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
> >>
> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
> >> assholes on usenet.
> >
> > Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>
> Only wrong ones?

There are no correct ones, IME.

Arny Krueger

March 6th 06, 05:17 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> >,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article
>>> . com>,
>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Jenn
>>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
>>>> Email: Jenn >
>>>>
>>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
>>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
>>>>
>>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements,
>>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with
>>>> those elusive 'debating trade' points I keep reading
>>>> about.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any
>>> stripe are the "most intolerant and bigoted assholes on
>>> usenet" he obviously hasn't seen the racial, gender,
>>> and sexual orientation bigots on usenet. Unreal.
>>
>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that
>> are not smart enough to know that those sorts of ideas
>> are baseless as well as not well thought out.
>>
>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and
>> opposed to all forms of tribal or collective type of
>> prejudice. I fully agree with the character over color
>> notion and find anybody who is not in agreement with it,
>> is not worth me bothering to know.
>>
>> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are
>> nearly always the so-called subjectivists, that's from
>> observation. The minute you start trying to get people
>> to understand that they may have really heard the things
>> they think they heard and explain how they could have
>> been fooled, they get oh so ****y.
>
> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.

Jenn, too bad you weren't around RAO in the pre-Middius era. You can still
find a record of it on google. RAO went to pieces in stages. The first stage
of degradation involved adding Zipser and Derrida, both of whom were
subjectivists and are now departed from this earth.

[email protected]

March 6th 06, 06:54 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> In article
> >>> . com>,
> >>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Jenn
> >>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
> >>>> Email: Jenn >
> >>>>
> >>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
> >>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements,
> >>>>> right?
> >>>>
> >>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with
> >>>> those elusive 'debating trade' points I keep reading
> >>>> about.
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any
> >>> stripe are the "most intolerant and bigoted assholes on
> >>> usenet" he obviously hasn't seen the racial, gender,
> >>> and sexual orientation bigots on usenet. Unreal.
> >>
> >> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that
> >> are not smart enough to know that those sorts of ideas
> >> are baseless as well as not well thought out.
> >>
> >> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and
> >> opposed to all forms of tribal or collective type of
> >> prejudice. I fully agree with the character over color
> >> notion and find anybody who is not in agreement with it,
> >> is not worth me bothering to know.
> >>
> >> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are
> >> nearly always the so-called subjectivists, that's from
> >> observation. The minute you start trying to get people
> >> to understand that they may have really heard the things
> >> they think they heard and explain how they could have
> >> been fooled, they get oh so ****y.
> >
> > I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
>
> Jenn, too bad you weren't around RAO in the pre-Middius era. You can still
> find a record of it on google. RAO went to pieces in stages. The first stage
> of degradation involved adding Zipser and Derrida, both of whom were
> subjectivists and are now departed from this earth.

Prove it.

chung

March 6th 06, 08:59 PM

Jenn wrote:
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
>
>>"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>In article . com>,
" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Robert Morein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Arny said,
>>>>>"The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of this
>>>>>foul
>>>>> behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
>>>>> subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet are
>>>>>more
>>>>> insulting, more profane, and more childish."
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
>>>>>intellectual
>>>>>bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
>>>>
>>>>That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>>>>assholes on usenet.
>>>
>>>Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>>
>>Only wrong ones?
>
>
> There are no correct ones, IME.

That seems like a huge blanket statement, so it must not be correct by
your own admission :).

Jenn

March 6th 06, 09:21 PM

chung wrote:
> Jenn wrote:
> > In article >,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>In article . com>,
> " > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Robert Morein wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Arny said,
> >>>>>"The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of this
> >>>>>foul
> >>>>> behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
> >>>>> subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet are
> >>>>>more
> >>>>> insulting, more profane, and more childish."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
> >>>>>intellectual
> >>>>>bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
> >>>>
> >>>>That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
> >>>>assholes on usenet.
> >>>
> >>>Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
> >>
> >>Only wrong ones?
> >
> >
> > There are no correct ones, IME.
>
> That seems like a huge blanket statement, so it must not be correct by
> your own admission :).

LOL Good one. But I'm right (and Arny agrees). Unless a sample is
very small,(i.e. "all people named Arny Krueger who live in Groose
Point, MI run PCABX websites) blanet statements don't hold up.

George M. Middius

March 6th 06, 09:23 PM

chungborg said:

> > There are no correct ones, IME.
>
> That seems like a huge blanket statement, so it must not be correct by
> your own admission :).

If you shot your head off, would you be able to hear the sound of the gun?

[email protected]

March 6th 06, 10:31 PM

George M. Middius wrote:
> chungborg said:
>
> > > There are no correct ones, IME.
> >
> > That seems like a huge blanket statement, so it must not be correct by
> > your own admission :).
>
> If you shot your head off, would you be able to hear the sound of the gun?

I believe the correct answer would be yes, but you would have little
time to reflect upon it.

Sander deWaal

March 6th 06, 10:41 PM

said:

>> If you shot your head off, would you be able to hear the sound of the gun?

>I believe the correct answer would be yes, but you would have little
>time to reflect upon it.

The good part is one doesn't have to worry about tinnitus.

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Clyde Slick

March 6th 06, 11:14 PM

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> From: Jenn
> Date: Mon, Mar 6 2006 12:33 am
> Email: Jenn >
>
>>I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
>>"most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
>>seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
>
> He's one of them.
>
> You may not have seen nob saying that businesses that do not want to
> serve black people shouldn't have to. nob values private property
> rights over the rights of human beings. He thinks that the private
> property rights of the owner take precedence over human rights.
>
> One can extrapolate from this that the private property rights of
> business owners include sexually harrassing employees. After all, the
> employee can work elsewhere, right?
>
> nob's got some very strange and backward beliefs.
>

I think that there needs to be respect of both individual rights and
private property rights, and I belive that
view is consistent with both mainstream liberals and mainstream
conservatives.
The kooks are elsewhere.

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March 6th 06, 11:17 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>> In article
>> . com>,
>> " > wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Morein wrote:
>>>> Arny said,
>>>> "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just
>>>> about all of this foul behavior has generally been
>>>> traceable to people of the so-called subjectivist
>>>> persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet
>>>> are more insulting, more profane, and more childish."
>>>>
>>>> This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst
>>>> form of intellectual bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
>>>
>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant
>>> and bigotted assholes on usenet.
>>
>> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>
> All generalizations are false, including this one.
>

Just because there are a few exceptions, it doesn't mean the
rule isn't valid.

paraphrased from one of yesterday's ARny krueger posts

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March 6th 06, 11:17 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article . com>,
>> > " > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Robert Morein wrote:
>> >> > Arny said,
>> >> > "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of
>> >> > this
>> >> > foul
>> >> > behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
>> >> > subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet
>> >> > are
>> >> > more
>> >> > insulting, more profane, and more childish."
>> >> >
>> >> > This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
>> >> > intellectual
>> >> > bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
>> >>
>> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>> >> assholes on usenet.
>> >
>> > Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>>
>> Only wrong ones?
>
> There are no correct ones, IME.

Well, there could be some, maybe, maybe not.

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March 7th 06, 04:49 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article . com>,
>> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Jenn
>> >> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
>> >> Email: Jenn >
>> >>
>> >> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>> >> >> assholes on usenet.
>> >>
>> >> >Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>> >>
>> >> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with those elusive
>> >> 'debating trade' points I keep reading about.
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
>> > "most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
>> > seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
>> > Unreal.
>>
>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that are not smart
>> enough
>> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as well as not well
>> thought
>> out.
>>
>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and opposed to all
>> forms
>> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully agree with the
>> character
>> over color notion and find anybody who is not in agreement with it, is
>> not
>> worth me bothering to know.
>>
>> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are nearly always the
>> so-called subjectivists, that's from observation. The minute you start
>> trying to get people to understand that they may have really heard the
>> things they think they heard and explain how they could have been fooled,
>> they get oh so ****y.
>
> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.

You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who tend to start the
nastyness?

That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring reality.

March 7th 06, 04:50 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article . com>,
>> > " > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Robert Morein wrote:
>> >> > Arny said,
>> >> > "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of
>> >> > this
>> >> > foul
>> >> > behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
>> >> > subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet
>> >> > are
>> >> > more
>> >> > insulting, more profane, and more childish."
>> >> >
>> >> > This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
>> >> > intellectual
>> >> > bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
>> >>
>> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>> >> assholes on usenet.
>> >
>> > Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>>
>> Only wrong ones?
>
> There are no correct ones, IME.

That's the thing about generalization, tehy are generally true.

March 7th 06, 04:51 PM

"chung" > wrote in message
rvers.com...
> Jenn wrote:
>> In article >,
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>In article . com>,
" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Robert Morein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Arny said,
>>>>>>"The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of this
>>>>>>foul
>>>>>> behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
>>>>>> subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet
>>>>>> are more
>>>>>> insulting, more profane, and more childish."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
>>>>>>intellectual
>>>>>>bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>>>>>assholes on usenet.
>>>>
>>>>Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>>>
>>>Only wrong ones?
>>
>>
>> There are no correct ones, IME.
>
> That seems like a huge blanket statement, so it must not be correct by
> your own admission :).

Touche'.

There are no absolutes.

Except that one.

March 7th 06, 04:52 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> chungborg said:
>
>> > There are no correct ones, IME.
>>
>> That seems like a huge blanket statement, so it must not be correct by
>> your own admission :).
>
> If you shot your head off, would you be able to hear the sound of the gun?
>
>
>
Why not conduct that experiment and get back to us.

Jenn

March 7th 06, 05:09 PM

In article et>,
> wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article . com>,
> >> > " > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Robert Morein wrote:
> >> >> > Arny said,
> >> >> > "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > foul
> >> >> > behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
> >> >> > subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on Usenet
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > more
> >> >> > insulting, more profane, and more childish."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
> >> >> > intellectual
> >> >> > bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
> >> >> assholes on usenet.
> >> >
> >> > Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
> >>
> >> Only wrong ones?
> >
> > There are no correct ones, IME.
>
> That's the thing about generalization, tehy are generally true.

Except when they aren't.

Jenn

March 7th 06, 05:10 PM

In article >,
> wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article . com>,
> >> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Jenn
> >> >> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
> >> >> Email: Jenn >
> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
> >> >> >> assholes on usenet.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
> >> >>
> >> >> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with those elusive
> >> >> 'debating trade' points I keep reading about.
> >> > <snip>
> >> >
> >> > I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
> >> > "most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
> >> > seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
> >> > Unreal.
> >>
> >> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that are not smart
> >> enough
> >> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as well as not well
> >> thought
> >> out.
> >>
> >> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and opposed to all
> >> forms
> >> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully agree with the
> >> character
> >> over color notion and find anybody who is not in agreement with it, is
> >> not
> >> worth me bothering to know.
> >>
> >> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are nearly always the
> >> so-called subjectivists, that's from observation. The minute you start
> >> trying to get people to understand that they may have really heard the
> >> things they think they heard and explain how they could have been fooled,
> >> they get oh so ****y.
> >
> > I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
>
> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who tend to start the
> nastyness?
>
> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring reality.

Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides" of the fence.

Arny Krueger

March 7th 06, 08:04 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> >,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> . com>,
>>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Jenn
>>>>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
>>>>>> Email: Jenn >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
>>>>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements,
>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with
>>>>>> those elusive 'debating trade' points I keep reading
>>>>>> about.
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any
>>>>> stripe are the "most intolerant and bigoted assholes
>>>>> on usenet" he obviously hasn't seen the racial,
>>>>> gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
>>>>> Unreal.
>>>>
>>>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that
>>>> are not smart enough
>>>> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as well
>>>> as not well thought
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and
>>>> opposed to all forms
>>>> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully
>>>> agree with the character
>>>> over color notion and find anybody who is not in
>>>> agreement with it, is not
>>>> worth me bothering to know.
>>>>
>>>> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are
>>>> nearly always the so-called subjectivists, that's from
>>>> observation. The minute you start trying to get
>>>> people to understand that they may have really heard
>>>> the things they think they heard and explain how they
>>>> could have been fooled, they get oh so ****y.
>>>
>>> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
>>
>> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who
>> tend to start the nastyness?
>>
>> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring
>> reality.
>
> Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides" of
> the fence.

Usual Jenn straw man "debating trade" argument. The question is not whether
the fault is entirely on one side or the other. The question is where the
majority of the fault lies. As long as Middius is a subjectivist, its a slam
dunk - the fault mainly lies on the so-called subjectivist side.

March 7th 06, 09:10 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article . com>,
>> >> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: Jenn
>> >> >> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
>> >> >> Email: Jenn >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and
>> >> >> >> bigotted
>> >> >> >> assholes on usenet.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with those elusive
>> >> >> 'debating trade' points I keep reading about.
>> >> > <snip>
>> >> >
>> >> > I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
>> >> > "most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
>> >> > seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
>> >> > Unreal.
>> >>
>> >> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that are not smart
>> >> enough
>> >> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as well as not well
>> >> thought
>> >> out.
>> >>
>> >> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and opposed to all
>> >> forms
>> >> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully agree with the
>> >> character
>> >> over color notion and find anybody who is not in agreement with it, is
>> >> not
>> >> worth me bothering to know.
>> >>
>> >> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are nearly always
>> >> the
>> >> so-called subjectivists, that's from observation. The minute you
>> >> start
>> >> trying to get people to understand that they may have really heard the
>> >> things they think they heard and explain how they could have been
>> >> fooled,
>> >> they get oh so ****y.
>> >
>> > I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
>>
>> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who tend to start the
>> nastyness?
>>
>> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring reality.
>
> Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides" of the fence.

Never said there wasn't fault on both sides, only that the bulk of the blame
and the usual source is the "subjectivists."

March 7th 06, 09:12 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article . com>,
>> >> > " > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Robert Morein wrote:
>> >> >> > Arny said,
>> >> >> > "The common thread is that the perpetrators of just about all of
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > foul
>> >> >> > behavior has generally been traceable to people of the so-called
>> >> >> > subjectivist persuasion. As a rule subjectivists posting on
>> >> >> > Usenet
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > more
>> >> >> > insulting, more profane, and more childish."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > This is the opposite of tolerance. This is the worst form of
>> >> >> > intellectual
>> >> >> > bigotry, committed by a cruel man.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and bigotted
>> >> >> assholes on usenet.
>> >> >
>> >> > Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
>> >>
>> >> Only wrong ones?
>> >
>> > There are no correct ones, IME.
>>
>> That's the thing about generalization, they are generally true.
>
> Except when they aren't.

But that's not genreally the case.

Jenn

March 8th 06, 01:21 AM

In article >, >
wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article . com>,
> >> >> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> From: Jenn
> >> >> >> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
> >> >> >> Email: Jenn >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> That's correct, subjectivists are the most intolerant and
> >> >> >> >> bigotted
> >> >> >> >> assholes on usenet.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Let me guess: you're against blanket statements, right?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with those elusive
> >> >> >> 'debating trade' points I keep reading about.
> >> >> > <snip>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
> >> >> > "most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
> >> >> > seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
> >> >> > Unreal.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that are not smart
> >> >> enough
> >> >> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as well as not well
> >> >> thought
> >> >> out.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and opposed to all
> >> >> forms
> >> >> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully agree with the
> >> >> character
> >> >> over color notion and find anybody who is not in agreement with it, is
> >> >> not
> >> >> worth me bothering to know.
> >> >>
> >> >> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are nearly always
> >> >> the
> >> >> so-called subjectivists, that's from observation. The minute you
> >> >> start
> >> >> trying to get people to understand that they may have really heard the
> >> >> things they think they heard and explain how they could have been
> >> >> fooled,
> >> >> they get oh so ****y.
> >> >
> >> > I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
> >>
> >> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who tend to start the
> >> nastyness?
> >>
> >> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring reality.
> >
> > Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides" of the fence.
>
> Never said there wasn't fault on both sides, only that the bulk of the blame
> and the usual source is the "subjectivists."

Not in my experience.

Jenn

March 8th 06, 01:25 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> In article
> >>> >,
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> . com>,
> >>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Jenn
> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
> >>>>>> Email: Jenn >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
> >>>>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements,
> >>>>>>> right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with
> >>>>>> those elusive 'debating trade' points I keep reading
> >>>>>> about.
> >>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any
> >>>>> stripe are the "most intolerant and bigoted assholes
> >>>>> on usenet" he obviously hasn't seen the racial,
> >>>>> gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
> >>>>> Unreal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that
> >>>> are not smart enough
> >>>> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as well
> >>>> as not well thought
> >>>> out.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and
> >>>> opposed to all forms
> >>>> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully
> >>>> agree with the character
> >>>> over color notion and find anybody who is not in
> >>>> agreement with it, is not
> >>>> worth me bothering to know.
> >>>>
> >>>> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging are
> >>>> nearly always the so-called subjectivists, that's from
> >>>> observation. The minute you start trying to get
> >>>> people to understand that they may have really heard
> >>>> the things they think they heard and explain how they
> >>>> could have been fooled, they get oh so ****y.
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
> >>
> >> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who
> >> tend to start the nastyness?
> >>
> >> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring
> >> reality.
> >
> > Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides" of
> > the fence.
>
> Usual Jenn straw man "debating trade" argument.

LOL

> The question is not whether
> the fault is entirely on one side or the other. The question is where the
> majority of the fault lies. As long as Middius is a subjectivist, its a slam
> dunk - the fault mainly lies on the so-called subjectivist side.

Are there any, say, 5 posts in a row that you've made here over the
years where you don't take a swipe at someone?

March 8th 06, 01:43 AM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> From: Jenn
>> Date: Mon, Mar 6 2006 12:33 am
>> Email: Jenn >
>>
>>>I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of any stripe are the
>>>"most intolerant and bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
>>>seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on usenet.
>>
>> He's one of them.
>>
>> You may not have seen nob saying that businesses that do not want to
>> serve black people shouldn't have to. nob values private property
>> rights over the rights of human beings. He thinks that the private
>> property rights of the owner take precedence over human rights.
>>

Property rights are a human right, an essential one, probably the most
essential one.

I don't think any right has precedence over any other, theya ll compliment
each other.

>> One can extrapolate from this that the private property rights of
>> business owners include sexually harrassing employees.

Only if one were an irrational dickhead.

It would also depend on the meaning you give to sexual harrassment, like
many other words, it has been somewhat diluted. If you mean threatening
people with termination if they aren't "cooperative," then no I don't think
that is proper. I'm not sure it is amatter for the law.

If you mean a woamn firefighter suing because the men have girlie posters or
calendars on the walls or lockers, then I think that's over the bull****
limit and she needs to grow up.

After all, the
>> employee can work elsewhere, right?
>>

They can. That's the wonerful thing about a free society, you are not bound
to any one job.

>> nob's got some very strange and backward beliefs.
>>

I think it's backward to think the employee is ore important than the
employer.
>
> I think that there needs to be respect of both individual rights and
> private property rights, and I belive that
> view is consistent with both mainstream liberals and mainstream
> conservatives.
> The kooks are elsewhere.
>
>
>

Arny Krueger

March 8th 06, 02:44 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >,
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> . com>,
>>>>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Jenn
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
>>>>>>>> Email: Jenn >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
>>>>>>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements,
>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with
>>>>>>>> those elusive 'debating trade' points I keep
>>>>>>>> reading about.
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of
>>>>>>> any stripe are the "most intolerant and bigoted
>>>>>>> assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't seen the
>>>>>>> racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on
>>>>>>> usenet. Unreal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that
>>>>>> are not smart enough
>>>>>> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as
>>>>>> well as not well thought
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and
>>>>>> opposed to all forms
>>>>>> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully
>>>>>> agree with the character
>>>>>> over color notion and find anybody who is not in
>>>>>> agreement with it, is not
>>>>>> worth me bothering to know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging
>>>>>> are nearly always the so-called subjectivists,
>>>>>> that's from observation. The minute you start
>>>>>> trying to get people to understand that they may
>>>>>> have really heard the things they think they heard
>>>>>> and explain how they could have been fooled, they
>>>>>> get oh so ****y.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
>>>>
>>>> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who
>>>> tend to start the nastyness?
>>>>
>>>> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring
>>>> reality.
>>>
>>> Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides" of
>>> the fence.
>>
>> Usual Jenn straw man "debating trade" argument.
>
> LOL
>
>> The question is not whether
>> the fault is entirely on one side or the other. The
>> question is where the majority of the fault lies. As
>> long as Middius is a subjectivist, its a slam dunk - the
>> fault mainly lies on the so-called subjectivist side.
>
> Are there any, say, 5 posts in a row that you've made
> here over the years where you don't take a swipe at
> someone?

Of course, tons of them. It's not my fault if so many of the so-called
subjectivists here are spoiling to pick a fight with me. Heck, they've
abused my name when I've been on vacation in the woods for two weeks and
obviously not posting.

Arny Krueger

March 8th 06, 02:45 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> Not in my experience.

Jenn, it's already a proven fact that you are blind to many of the
subjectivist attacks on objectivists.

Jenn

March 8th 06, 02:48 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
> > Not in my experience.
>
> Jenn, it's already a proven fact that you are blind to many of the
> subjectivist attacks on objectivists.

It is?

Jenn

March 8th 06, 02:48 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> >,
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> >,
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> . com>,
> >>>>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> >>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Jenn
> >>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
> >>>>>>>> Email: Jenn >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
> >>>>>>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket statements,
> >>>>>>>>> right?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do with
> >>>>>>>> those elusive 'debating trade' points I keep
> >>>>>>>> reading about.
> >>>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of
> >>>>>>> any stripe are the "most intolerant and bigoted
> >>>>>>> assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't seen the
> >>>>>>> racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on
> >>>>>>> usenet. Unreal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people that
> >>>>>> are not smart enough
> >>>>>> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as
> >>>>>> well as not well thought
> >>>>>> out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage, and
> >>>>>> opposed to all forms
> >>>>>> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully
> >>>>>> agree with the character
> >>>>>> over color notion and find anybody who is not in
> >>>>>> agreement with it, is not
> >>>>>> worth me bothering to know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging
> >>>>>> are nearly always the so-called subjectivists,
> >>>>>> that's from observation. The minute you start
> >>>>>> trying to get people to understand that they may
> >>>>>> have really heard the things they think they heard
> >>>>>> and explain how they could have been fooled, they
> >>>>>> get oh so ****y.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
> >>>>
> >>>> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who
> >>>> tend to start the nastyness?
> >>>>
> >>>> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring
> >>>> reality.
> >>>
> >>> Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides" of
> >>> the fence.
> >>
> >> Usual Jenn straw man "debating trade" argument.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> >> The question is not whether
> >> the fault is entirely on one side or the other. The
> >> question is where the majority of the fault lies. As
> >> long as Middius is a subjectivist, its a slam dunk - the
> >> fault mainly lies on the so-called subjectivist side.
> >
> > Are there any, say, 5 posts in a row that you've made
> > here over the years where you don't take a swipe at
> > someone?
>
> Of course, tons of them. It's not my fault if so many of the so-called
> subjectivists here are spoiling to pick a fight with me. Heck, they've
> abused my name when I've been on vacation in the woods for two weeks and
> obviously not posting.

Care to show those posts?

George M. Middius

March 8th 06, 03:09 AM

Jenn said to The Big ****:

> > Jenn, it's already a proven fact that you are blind to many of the
> > subjectivist attacks on objectivists.

> It is?

Not to worry, the Krooborg is not referring to itself:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/636d0058f75a576b?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/509c48d0793fccbd?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/be273f86e4d25d04?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/224d5e4565645825?hl=en&

George M. Middius

March 8th 06, 03:10 AM

Jenn said to FirehoseBorg:

> > abused my name when I've been on vacation in the woods for two weeks

> Care to show those posts?

Please don't encourage him... it's the Randy Bear episode all over again.

Arny Krueger

March 8th 06, 03:25 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >,
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> . com>,
>>>>>>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Jenn
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
>>>>>>>>>> Email: Jenn >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
>>>>>>>>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket
>>>>>>>>>>> statements, right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do
>>>>>>>>>> with those elusive 'debating trade' points I keep
>>>>>>>>>> reading about.
>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of
>>>>>>>>> any stripe are the "most intolerant and bigoted
>>>>>>>>> assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't seen the
>>>>>>>>> racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on
>>>>>>>>> usenet. Unreal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people
>>>>>>>> that are not smart enough
>>>>>>>> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as
>>>>>>>> well as not well thought
>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage,
>>>>>>>> and opposed to all forms
>>>>>>>> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully
>>>>>>>> agree with the character
>>>>>>>> over color notion and find anybody who is not in
>>>>>>>> agreement with it, is not
>>>>>>>> worth me bothering to know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging
>>>>>>>> are nearly always the so-called subjectivists,
>>>>>>>> that's from observation. The minute you start
>>>>>>>> trying to get people to understand that they may
>>>>>>>> have really heard the things they think they heard
>>>>>>>> and explain how they could have been fooled, they
>>>>>>>> get oh so ****y.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who
>>>>>> tend to start the nastyness?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring
>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides"
>>>>> of the fence.
>>>>
>>>> Usual Jenn straw man "debating trade" argument.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>>> The question is not whether
>>>> the fault is entirely on one side or the other. The
>>>> question is where the majority of the fault lies. As
>>>> long as Middius is a subjectivist, its a slam dunk -
>>>> the fault mainly lies on the so-called subjectivist
>>>> side.
>>>
>>> Are there any, say, 5 posts in a row that you've made
>>> here over the years where you don't take a swipe at
>>> someone?
>>
>> Of course, tons of them. It's not my fault if so many of
>> the so-called subjectivists here are spoiling to pick a
>> fight with me. Heck, they've abused my name when I've
>> been on vacation in the woods for two weeks and
>> obviously not posting.

> Care to show those posts?

Here's a few series of 5 posts in a row with no swipes at anybody:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/64914c192154c950

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/8847189603c40e44

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/bcc5c59c3f743091

Here's a post announcing my return from an approximately 2 week vacation:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/779b63f78243359a

Date 7/31/1997

Here's some posts attacking me while I was away:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/97cc3a5d32f96ad0

posted on July 21, about a week after I was gone.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/778f6cb7ed8aeb64

posted by Middius on July 23, about a week and a half after I was gone.

Jenn

March 8th 06, 03:34 AM

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
wrote:

> Jenn said to FirehoseBorg:
>
> > > abused my name when I've been on vacation in the woods for two weeks
>
> > Care to show those posts?
>
> Please don't encourage him... it's the Randy Bear episode all over again.

Actually, I wasn't asking him to show THOSE posts, but the ones where he
had a string of non-abusive posts.

Jenn

March 8th 06, 03:55 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> >,
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> >,
> >>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>> ..
> >>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>> . com>,
> >>>>>>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> >>>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Jenn
> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
> >>>>>>>>>> Email: Jenn >
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
> >>>>>>>>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket
> >>>>>>>>>>> statements, right?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do
> >>>>>>>>>> with those elusive 'debating trade' points I keep
> >>>>>>>>>> reading about.
> >>>>>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people of
> >>>>>>>>> any stripe are the "most intolerant and bigoted
> >>>>>>>>> assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't seen the
> >>>>>>>>> racial, gender, and sexual orientation bigots on
> >>>>>>>>> usenet. Unreal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people
> >>>>>>>> that are not smart enough
> >>>>>>>> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as
> >>>>>>>> well as not well thought
> >>>>>>>> out.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage,
> >>>>>>>> and opposed to all forms
> >>>>>>>> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I fully
> >>>>>>>> agree with the character
> >>>>>>>> over color notion and find anybody who is not in
> >>>>>>>> agreement with it, is not
> >>>>>>>> worth me bothering to know.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On this NG, however the first to start mudslinging
> >>>>>>>> are nearly always the so-called subjectivists,
> >>>>>>>> that's from observation. The minute you start
> >>>>>>>> trying to get people to understand that they may
> >>>>>>>> have really heard the things they think they heard
> >>>>>>>> and explain how they could have been fooled, they
> >>>>>>>> get oh so ****y.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists who
> >>>>>> tend to start the nastyness?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring
> >>>>>> reality.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not in my experience. The fault lies on both "sides"
> >>>>> of the fence.
> >>>>
> >>>> Usual Jenn straw man "debating trade" argument.
> >>>
> >>> LOL
> >>>
> >>>> The question is not whether
> >>>> the fault is entirely on one side or the other. The
> >>>> question is where the majority of the fault lies. As
> >>>> long as Middius is a subjectivist, its a slam dunk -
> >>>> the fault mainly lies on the so-called subjectivist
> >>>> side.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any, say, 5 posts in a row that you've made
> >>> here over the years where you don't take a swipe at
> >>> someone?
> >>
> >> Of course, tons of them. It's not my fault if so many of
> >> the so-called subjectivists here are spoiling to pick a
> >> fight with me. Heck, they've abused my name when I've
> >> been on vacation in the woods for two weeks and
> >> obviously not posting.
>
> > Care to show those posts?
>
> Here's a few series of 5 posts in a row with no swipes at anybody:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/64914c192154c950
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/8847189603c40e44
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/bcc5c59c3f743091

Bravo, you provided what I asked for. Posts from 9 years ago noted.
>
>
>
> Here's a post announcing my return from an approximately 2 week vacation:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/779b63f78243359a
>
> Date 7/31/1997
>
> Here's some posts attacking me while I was away:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/97cc3a5d32f96ad0
>
> posted on July 21, about a week after I was gone.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/778f6cb7ed8aeb64
>
> posted by Middius on July 23, about a week and a half after I was gone.

Thanks, but I wasn't clear. I never doubted that these existed.

Arny Krueger

March 8th 06, 12:39 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> . com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jenn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 9:09 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: Jenn >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's correct, subjectivists are the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intolerant and bigotted assholes on usenet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me guess: you're against blanket
>>>>>>>>>>>>> statements, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> nob does this all the time. It must have to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> with those elusive 'debating trade' points I
>>>>>>>>>>>> keep reading about.
>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess. Plus, if he thinks that audio people
>>>>>>>>>>> of any stripe are the "most intolerant and
>>>>>>>>>>> bigoted assholes on usenet" he obviously hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> seen the racial, gender, and sexual orientation
>>>>>>>>>>> bigots on usenet. Unreal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well I don't want to associate in any way people
>>>>>>>>>> that are not smart enough
>>>>>>>>>> to know that those sorts of ideas are baseless as
>>>>>>>>>> well as not well thought
>>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm on record as being unopposed to gay marriage,
>>>>>>>>>> and opposed to all forms
>>>>>>>>>> of tribal or collective type of prejudice. I
>>>>>>>>>> fully agree with the character
>>>>>>>>>> over color notion and find anybody who is not in
>>>>>>>>>> agreement with it, is not
>>>>>>>>>> worth me bothering to know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On this NG, however the first to start
>>>>>>>>>> mudslinging are nearly always the so-called
>>>>>>>>>> subjectivists, that's from observation. The
>>>>>>>>>> minute you start trying to get people to
>>>>>>>>>> understand that they may have really heard the
>>>>>>>>>> things they think they heard and explain how
>>>>>>>>>> they could have been fooled, they get oh so
>>>>>>>>>> ****y.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean you disagree that it's the subjectivists
>>>>>>>> who tend to start the nastyness?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not a difference of opinion, that's ignoring
>>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not in my experience. The fault lies on both
>>>>>>> "sides" of the fence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Usual Jenn straw man "debating trade" argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>> The question is not whether
>>>>>> the fault is entirely on one side or the other. The
>>>>>> question is where the majority of the fault lies. As
>>>>>> long as Middius is a subjectivist, its a slam dunk -
>>>>>> the fault mainly lies on the so-called subjectivist
>>>>>> side.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any, say, 5 posts in a row that you've made
>>>>> here over the years where you don't take a swipe at
>>>>> someone?
>>>>
>>>> Of course, tons of them. It's not my fault if so many
>>>> of the so-called subjectivists here are spoiling to
>>>> pick a fight with me. Heck, they've abused my name
>>>> when I've been on vacation in the woods for two weeks
>>>> and obviously not posting.
>>
>>> Care to show those posts?
>>
>> Here's a few series of 5 posts in a row with no swipes
>> at anybody:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/64914c192154c950
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/8847189603c40e44
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/bcc5c59c3f743091
>
> Bravo, you provided what I asked for. Posts from 9 years
> ago noted.

That would be RAO "BM" - before Middius.

Ruud Broens

March 9th 06, 10:15 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
: "Jenn" > wrote in message
:
: > In article >,
: > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
: >
: >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
: >>
: >>> In article
: >>>>> Are there any, say, 5 posts in a row that you've made
: >>>>> here over the years where you don't take a swipe at
: >>>>> someone?
: >>>>
: >>>> Of course, tons of them. It's not my fault if so many
: >>>> of the so-called subjectivists here are spoiling to
: >>>> pick a fight with me. Heck, they've abused my name
: >>>> when I've been on vacation in the woods for two weeks
: >>>> and obviously not posting.
: >>
: >>> Care to show those posts?
: >>
: >> Here's a few series of 5 posts in a row with no swipes
: >> at anybody:
: >>
: >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/64914c192154c950
: >>
: >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/8847189603c40e44
: >>
: >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/bcc5c59c3f743091
: >
: > Bravo, you provided what I asked for. Posts from 9 years
: > ago noted.
:
: That would be RAO "BM" - before Middius.
:
...and here's an example of Arny's posting further down in no. 3:
"I do a fine job of kicking perpetual oral
flatulation machines like you into their perennial dance on the ceiling.
Please let us know when you get your next shipment of "medication".

Oh, Douggie, you don't need to tell, us, we will be able to see the
evidence (less personal attacks and flaming) on RAO. "

yeah, we see whatyamean, Middius made you do _that_, eh ?

Rudy

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