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Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the words of one
of the genuine world class experts on digital audio and a former poster
here.

Go to: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8

Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be bothered by the
usual suspects.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
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> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
> digital audio and a former poster here.
>
> Go to:
> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>
> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
> bothered by the usual suspects.

JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
conference.

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
>> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
>> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
>> digital audio and a former poster here.
>>
>> Go to:
>> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>>
>> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
>> bothered by the usual suspects.
>
> JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
> conference.


It's a shame. He is not only a genuine expert, he has a genuine passion for
the hobby and could deal with its realities and practicalities. He was the
one who "warned" me that the converters in the Panasonic 3700 DAT's were not
the best (he was right)" and when he left AT&T he was working on and very
excited about new surround sound technology.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
>>> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
>>> digital audio and a former poster here.
>>>
>>> Go to:
>>> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>>>
>>> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
>>> bothered by the usual suspects.
>>
>> JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from
>> conference to conference.

> It's a shame. He is not only a genuine expert, he has a
> genuine passion for the hobby and could deal with its
> realities and practicalities.

Yes Harry you diefy JJ. but you avoid every opportunity to deal with the
realities and practicalities of audio.

>He was the one who
> "warned" me that the converters in the Panasonic 3700
> DAT's were not the best (he was right)" and when he left
> AT&T he was working on and very excited about new
> surround sound technology.

Yes Harry, and he warned you about the grotesque problems related to sighed
evaluations and well, so much for that!

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com
>>>> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
>>>> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
>>>> digital audio and a former poster here.
>>>>
>>>> Go to:
>>>> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>>>>
>>>> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
>>>> bothered by the usual suspects.
>>>
>>> JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from
>>> conference to conference.
>
>> It's a shame. He is not only a genuine expert, he has a
>> genuine passion for the hobby and could deal with its
>> realities and practicalities.
>
> Yes Harry you diefy JJ. but you avoid every opportunity to deal with the
> realities and practicalities of audio.
>
>>He was the one who
>> "warned" me that the converters in the Panasonic 3700
>> DAT's were not the best (he was right)" and when he left
>> AT&T he was working on and very excited about new
>> surround sound technology.
>
> Yes Harry, and he warned you about the grotesque problems related to
> sighed evaluations and well, so much for that!

J.J. was able to discuss a lot of things, Arny, and its for that reason I
and others enjoyed very much his presence on the newsgroup, even as we
sometimes disagreed over issues.

Think about it.

Learn!

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com
>>>>> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading
>>>>> the words of one of the genuine world class experts on
>>>>> digital audio and a former poster here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go to:
>>>>> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not
>>>>> be bothered by the usual suspects.
>>>>
>>>> JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from
>>>> conference to conference.
>>
>>> It's a shame. He is not only a genuine expert, he has a
>>> genuine passion for the hobby and could deal with its
>>> realities and practicalities.
>>
>> Yes Harry you diefy JJ. but you avoid every opportunity
>> to deal with the realities and practicalities of audio.
>>
>>> He was the one who
>>> "warned" me that the converters in the Panasonic 3700
>>> DAT's were not the best (he was right)" and when he left
>>> AT&T he was working on and very excited about new
>>> surround sound technology.
>>
>> Yes Harry, and he warned you about the grotesque
>> problems related to sighed evaluations and well, so much
>> for that!
>
> J.J. was able to discuss a lot of things, Arny, and its
> for that reason I and others enjoyed very much his
> presence on the newsgroup, even as we sometimes disagreed
> over issues.

That's a wonderful thing for you to say, Harry. Basically, he let you stew
in your weirdness while pumping more hot air into your inflated ego.

> Think about it.

I have and I have too much hope for humanity to be that cynical.

> Learn!

That's the interesting thing Harry, while I've learned lots of neat stuff in
the past 9 years on Usenet, I can't think of one fundamental thing that I've
seen you learn.

[John Atkinson]

Harry Lavo wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
> > conference.
>
> It's a shame. He is not only a genuine expert, he has a genuine
> passion for the hobby and could deal with its realities and practicalities.
> He was the one who "warned" me that the converters in the Panasonic
> 3700 DAT's were not the best (he was right)" and when he left AT&T he
> was working on and very excited about new surround sound technology.

The time I spent with JJ recording in Minnesota in 2001 -- me in
stereo,
him in surround -- were exhilarating. It's a shame that JJ had to leave
the surround masters at AT&T when he moved to Microsoft, where they
are presumably still languishing in a cupboard.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

From: Arny Krueger
Date: Fri, Feb 24 2006 5:25 pm
Email: "Arny Krueger" >

>Yes Harry you diefy JJ.

Jealousy?

If we all deified you, would you become a more civil human being?

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
>> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
>> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
>> digital audio and a former poster here.
>>
>> Go to:
>> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>>
>> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
>> bothered by the usual suspects.
>
> JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
> conference.

Is that the same JJ? Jim Johnston? If so, what's he doing in Redmond WA.
Didn't he work for Bell Labs?

Norm Strong

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message
oups.com
> From: Arny Krueger
> Date: Fri, Feb 24 2006 5:25 pm
> Email: "Arny Krueger" >
>
>> Yes Harry you diefy JJ.
>
> Jealousy?

Insight.

> If we all deified you, would you become a more civil
> human being?

I'd call you stupid for not worshipping a mere human, not the one true God.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com
>>> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
>>> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
>>> digital audio and a former poster here.
>>>
>>> Go to:
>>> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>>>
>>> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
>>> bothered by the usual suspects.
>>
>> JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from
>> conference to conference.

> Is that the same JJ? Jim Johnston?

Yup.

>If so, what's he doing in Redmond WA.

Obviously, Microsoft.

>Didn't he work for Bell Labs?

Well them and their sequel, AT&T labs.

> Norm Strong

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
> > words of one of the genuine world class experts on
> > digital audio and a former poster here.
> >
> > Go to:
> > http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
> >
> > Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
> > bothered by the usual suspects.
>
> JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
> conference.

IIRC in one post he says he's retired, or semi-retired.
I don't think he's lost, he's just doing what he wants, and soing it
his way.

[[email protected]]

Harry Lavo wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com
> >> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
> >> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
> >> digital audio and a former poster here.
> >>
> >> Go to:
> >> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
> >>
> >> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
> >> bothered by the usual suspects.
> >
> > JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
> > conference.
>
>
> It's a shame. He is not only a genuine expert, he has a genuine passion for
> the hobby and could deal with its realities and practicalities. He was the
> one who "warned" me that the converters in the Panasonic 3700 DAT's were not
> the best (he was right)" and when he left AT&T he was working on and very
> excited about new surround sound technology.

He's obviously still dispensing audio expertise, just not anyplace
where he's going to be abused like he was on usenet by the usual
suspects.

[dizzy]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:36:06 -0800, wrote:

> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the words of one
> of the genuine world class experts on digital audio and a former poster
> here.
>
> Go to: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>
> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be bothered by the
> usual suspects.

What a surprise that someone that smart has better things to do than spar
with the trash in here, eh?

[Harry Lavo]

> wrote in message
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>
> Harry Lavo wrote:
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > > wrote in message
>> > oups.com
>> >> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
>> >> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
>> >> digital audio and a former poster here.
>> >>
>> >> Go to:
>> >> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>> >>
>> >> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
>> >> bothered by the usual suspects.
>> >
>> > JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
>> > conference.
>>
>>
>> It's a shame. He is not only a genuine expert, he has a genuine passion
>> for
>> the hobby and could deal with its realities and practicalities. He was
>> the
>> one who "warned" me that the converters in the Panasonic 3700 DAT's were
>> not
>> the best (he was right)" and when he left AT&T he was working on and very
>> excited about new surround sound technology.
>
> He's obviously still dispensing audio expertise, just not anyplace
> where he's going to be abused like he was on usenet by the usual
> suspects.

Well, if he was posting in open forums, that I would understand. He was not
abused on RAHE, although he was sometimes challenged in argument. I think
he just got tired of having to explain things again and again to new people.
But largely I think he quit for awhile because of a major shift in his life
that demanded his attention elsewhere. And he has simply chosen other, more
web-centric, places to reemerge (usenet hardly has the monopoly on forums
that it, along with CompuServe, had in the pre-web days.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...

>> He's obviously still dispensing audio expertise, just
>> not anyplace where he's going to be abused like he was
>> on usenet by the usual suspects.

> Well, if he was posting in open forums, that I would
> understand. He was not abused on RAHE, although he was
> sometimes challenged in argument.

JJ pretty much had his act together. Challenging him was mostly for the
foolhardy. However, he was not without his unusual shadings of meanings and
occasional controversial (as in capable of being rebutted effectively)
comments.

>I think he just got
> tired of having to explain things again and again to new
> people.

I know that JJ got tired of the ongoing harrasment and childish
name-calling by Middius and his clique over here.


> But largely I think he quit for awhile because of
> a major shift in his life that demanded his attention
> elsewhere.

I think that he was shaken up by being forced out of the AT&T labs.


> And he has simply chosen other, more
> web-centric, places to reemerge (usenet hardly has the
> monopoly on forums that it, along with CompuServe, had in
> the pre-web days.

But HTML-based forums are so awkward and slow, compared to Usenet.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:48:04 -0500, "Harry Lavo" >
wrote:

>J.J. was able to discuss a lot of things, Arny, and its for that reason I
>and others enjoyed very much his presence on the newsgroup, even as we
>sometimes disagreed over issues.

It's a shame that Arnold was a substantial contributor to driving him
out of the forum.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:38:25 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>I know that JJ got tired of the ongoing harrasment and childish
>name-calling by Middius and his clique over here.

And you and Howard Ferstler as well.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

From: Arny Krueger
Date: Fri, Feb 24 2006 7:07 pm
Email: "Arny Krueger" >

>I'd call you stupid for not worshipping a mere human

My point exactly.

Thank you for your honesty.

"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> Harry Lavo wrote:
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > > wrote in message
>>> > oups.com
>>> >> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
>>> >> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
>>> >> digital audio and a former poster here.
>>> >>
>>> >> Go to:
>>> >> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
>>> >>
>>> >> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
>>> >> bothered by the usual suspects.
>>> >
>>> > JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
>>> > conference.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a shame. He is not only a genuine expert, he has a genuine passion
>>> for
>>> the hobby and could deal with its realities and practicalities. He was
>>> the
>>> one who "warned" me that the converters in the Panasonic 3700 DAT's were
>>> not
>>> the best (he was right)" and when he left AT&T he was working on and
>>> very
>>> excited about new surround sound technology.
>>
>> He's obviously still dispensing audio expertise, just not anyplace
>> where he's going to be abused like he was on usenet by the usual
>> suspects.
>
> Well, if he was posting in open forums, that I would understand. He was
> not abused on RAHE, although he was sometimes challenged in argument. I
> think he just got tired of having to explain things again and again to new
> people. But largely I think he quit for awhile because of a major shift in
> his life that demanded his attention elsewhere. And he has simply chosen
> other, more web-centric, places to reemerge (usenet hardly has the
> monopoly on forums that it, along with CompuServe, had in the pre-web
> days.
>
I think he chose one of the most reasonable and rational forums on the web.
The JREF is already well known and despised by audiophiles for wanting some
of the idiot reviewers of magic cables, and magic rocks, etc., to submit to
an ABX test of same. So far none of them have the balls to try and collect
the 1 million doallr prize.

Since the JREF is all about debunking nonsense, and so is JJ, it makes the
most sense for him to be a participant there.

[Steven Sullivan]

wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com
> >> Thought at least one person here might enjoy reading the
> >> words of one of the genuine world class experts on
> >> digital audio and a former poster here.
> >>
> >> Go to:
> >> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=50848&page=8
> >>
> >> Glad to see he's found a place to contribute and not be
> >> bothered by the usual suspects.
> >
> > JJ seems to be a traveling lost soul, skipping from conference to
> > conference.

> Is that the same JJ? Jim Johnston? If so, what's he doing in Redmond WA.
> Didn't he work for Bell Labs?


http://home.comcast.net/~retired_old_jj/


--
-S
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." - James Madison (1788)

[John Atkinson]

Steven Sullivan wrote:
> http://home.comcast.net/~retired_old_jj/

Thanks for the link, Mr. Sullivan.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile