The Question Mikey is Afraid to Answer [Archive]

Ruud Broens

January 29th 06, 12:34 AM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
: "Ruud Broens" > said:
:
: >: >Wir von Krueger Krankheiten Korrekturgesellschaft must protest agahst this
: >: >simplification. Odd does not begin to describe dieses symdrone. Der Arny
: >: >ist ja ein Unikum.
: >:
: >:
: >: Aber mein lieber Herr Kollege,
: >:
: >: Hatten Sie nicht versprochen, darüber nicht zu reden ohne zustimmung
: >: bzw. auftrag von ihre Mitarbeiter ins Büro?
: >:
: >:
: >: Jetzt sollen wir Massnahmen nehmen müssen.
: >:
: >:
: >: >dr Rudi
: >: >dipolkorrecturer, KKK
: >:
: >:
: >: Aber doch nicht mehr vor lange.....
: >:
: >:
: >:
: >: Ihre Bruder-ins-Böse,
: >:
: >: Dipl. Ing. Sander Der Wahl, ohne Gebühr.
: >:
: >: --
: >:
: >: - Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with
: >experience. -
: >
: >Ensschuldigung, Herr Kollege,
: >was Lese ich in sektion 43, driitter paragreuf,
: >"zustimmung nur Benoetigt im falle der Zweifel"
: >
: >dafon kann doch die Rede hier nicht sein, herr K. ?
: >R.
:
:
: Ist es nur reiner Zufall, dass ich hier das Handbuch des KKK bevor
: mich hab', und *es gibt gar kein Sektion 43* , sowie auch kein dritter
: Paragraph.
:
: Also jetzt sind sie bescheuert, herr Kollege.
:
: Drauf damit, ins blaue Hinein, Sie sind verhaftet, mitnehmen und
: zofort erschiessen etc. etc.
:
: (you know the drill)
:
: Ausgerechnet Sie! Schade, immer noch Schade........
:
: Einen recht Gutenabend noch!

Das war doch alles ein Schertz, lieber Kollege !
It's called "pulling an Arny", dh
it's not what i said, but what i _meant to say_
what counts

also, alles Klar ?

im Falle von verhaftung, ein recht gueter Abend
ist ja gesichert, habe ich doch 'n Menge Schnapps
marke Kruegerborger kalt im Kuhlschrank ;-)

bis alte-Kollege-reunion,

Rudi
oj

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 12:49 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...

>
> Did Arny say that he received child porn?

Yes, that is a fact.
He has made that accusation numerous times against numerous individuals.
These include George Middius, Dave Weil, Signal (Paul Dormer), myself and
even John Atkinson.

Did he actually receive it?

He has yet to prove that. He did publish the text of purported
emails, but not the pictures. He provided header information
but some people with computer savvy indicated that these so-called headers
were forgeries

> Did someone here send it to him?

He has never offered any evidence of who sent him the purported material.
He only offered discredited evidence that he received them from somewhere.

It was several years after this event that Arnie claimed that he had just
showed them to the MSP detective. So, to do that, he must have kept the
offensive
material on his hard drive for a number of years.

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ScottW

January 29th 06, 12:51 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article t>,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jenn said:
>> >>
>> >> > > Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>> >> > > you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >>
>> >> > Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn. Do we know
>> >> > if
>> >> > ANYONE actually did?
>> >>
>> >> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of the Beast's
>> >> imaginary conspiracies.
>> >
>> > And he calls others paranoid?
>>
>> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse than paranoid,
>> you're
>> just as deranged as he is.
>
> Did Arny say that he received child porn? Did he actually receive it?
> Did someone here send it to him?

You know what? Instead of draggin the whole group back through that
tedious episode... do some google searches and read ancient history....
and spare the rest of us the agony of reliving it one more time.

ScottW

Jenn

January 29th 06, 12:54 AM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >
> > Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>
> Yes, that is a fact.
> He has made that accusation numerous times against numerous individuals.
> These include George Middius, Dave Weil, Signal (Paul Dormer), myself and
> even John Atkinson.
>
> Did he actually receive it?
>
> He has yet to prove that. He did publish the text of purported
> emails, but not the pictures. He provided header information
> but some people with computer savvy indicated that these so-called headers
> were forgeries
>
> > Did someone here send it to him?
>
> He has never offered any evidence of who sent him the purported material.
> He only offered discredited evidence that he received them from somewhere.
>
> It was several years after this event that Arnie claimed that he had just
> showed them to the MSP detective. So, to do that, he must have kept the
> offensive
> material on his hard drive for a number of years.

NYOB?

Jenn

January 29th 06, 12:57 AM

In article <AkUCf.62710$0G.52367@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article t>,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Jenn said:
> >> >>
> >> >> > > Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >> >> > > you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >> >>
> >> >> > Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn. Do we know
> >> >> > if
> >> >> > ANYONE actually did?
> >> >>
> >> >> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of the Beast's
> >> >> imaginary conspiracies.
> >> >
> >> > And he calls others paranoid?
> >>
> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse than paranoid,
> >> you're
> >> just as deranged as he is.
> >
> > Did Arny say that he received child porn? Did he actually receive it?
> > Did someone here send it to him?
>
> You know what? Instead of draggin the whole group back through that
> tedious episode... do some google searches and read ancient history....
> and spare the rest of us the agony of reliving it one more time.
>
> ScottW

The thing is, I don't really care. The issue is that Nyob says that if
I believe Middius on this, that I'm deranged. I'd like to know Nyob's
take on the events.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 01:29 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article <AkUCf.62710$0G.52367@dukeread10>,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article t>,
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Jenn said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > > Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>> >> >> > > you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn. Do we
>> >> >> > know
>> >> >> > if
>> >> >> > ANYONE actually did?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of the Beast's
>> >> >> imaginary conspiracies.
>> >> >
>> >> > And he calls others paranoid?
>> >>
>> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse than paranoid,
>> >> you're
>> >> just as deranged as he is.
>> >
>> > Did Arny say that he received child porn? Did he actually receive it?
>> > Did someone here send it to him?
>>
>> You know what? Instead of draggin the whole group back through that
>> tedious episode... do some google searches and read ancient history....
>> and spare the rest of us the agony of reliving it one more time.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> The thing is, I don't really care.

Then don't ask....

> The issue is that Nyob says that if
> I believe Middius on this, that I'm deranged.

No... he says if you believe Middius on anything you're deranged. Look..
you do need to understand that Arny is Middius' reason for being here. His
audio commentary is extremely rare... he's prone to personal attacks... and
if you don't agree that Arny is the great satan of RAO... you're a borg.
Arny... is his flip side... prone to arrogance, gross condescension and
unfounded accusations. Tell him he's wrong about anything.. and he will
usually wig out over it. Pull up some threads with him and Glen Zelniker
of Z-systems going at it and you'll see what I mean. All you can get out him
is the reflex sockpuppet accusation.
Frankly, they both have serious issues and if you just have a little
patience you will find all this on your own in due time.

But I implore you, don't force the group into rehashing these despicable
historical events. Just use google and you can find out all you want to
know without getting someone's spun version. I guarantee you... the
reality isn't pretty.

> I'd like to know Nyob's
> take on the events.

Now you're not making sense... you said you didn't care.... what makes
Nyobs take on things so important?

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 01:42 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> [dot] net> wrote:
>
>> Jenn said:
>>
>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>
>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn.
>>> Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>
>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of
>> the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>
> And he calls others paranoid?

A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who believes anything
that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George Middius.

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 01:43 AM

> wrote in message
nk.net
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
>>
>>> Jenn said:
>>>
>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>
>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>
>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of
>>> the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>
>> And he calls others paranoid?
>
> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse
> than paranoid, you're just as deranged as he is.

Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the Usenet world.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 01:44 AM

In article <0UUCf.62715$0G.24958@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <AkUCf.62710$0G.52367@dukeread10>,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article t>,
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Jenn said:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > > Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >> >> >> > > you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn. Do we
> >> >> >> > know
> >> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> > ANYONE actually did?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of the Beast's
> >> >> >> imaginary conspiracies.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And he calls others paranoid?
> >> >>
> >> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse than paranoid,
> >> >> you're
> >> >> just as deranged as he is.
> >> >
> >> > Did Arny say that he received child porn? Did he actually receive it?
> >> > Did someone here send it to him?
> >>
> >> You know what? Instead of draggin the whole group back through that
> >> tedious episode... do some google searches and read ancient history....
> >> and spare the rest of us the agony of reliving it one more time.
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > The thing is, I don't really care.
>
> Then don't ask....
>
> > The issue is that Nyob says that if
> > I believe Middius on this, that I'm deranged.
>
> No... he says if you believe Middius on anything you're deranged. Look..
> you do need to understand that Arny is Middius' reason for being here. His
> audio commentary is extremely rare... he's prone to personal attacks... and
> if you don't agree that Arny is the great satan of RAO... you're a borg.
> Arny... is his flip side... prone to arrogance, gross condescension and
> unfounded accusations.

Tell me about it!

> Tell him he's wrong about anything.. and he will
> usually wig out over it. Pull up some threads with him and Glen Zelniker
> of Z-systems going at it and you'll see what I mean. All you can get out him
> is the reflex sockpuppet accusation.
> Frankly, they both have serious issues and if you just have a little
> patience you will find all this on your own in due time.
>
> But I implore you, don't force the group into rehashing these despicable
> historical events. Just use google and you can find out all you want to
> know without getting someone's spun version. I guarantee you... the
> reality isn't pretty.

I fully understand what you are saying, and it's not my wish to have the
whole thing re-hashed. I simply want to see how objective Nyob is.
Truly.

>
> > I'd like to know Nyob's
> > take on the events.
>
> Now you're not making sense... you said you didn't care.... what makes
> Nyobs take on things so important?

See above.
>
> ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 01:45 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> t>,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>
>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>>
>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>>
>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>
>> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse
>> than paranoid, you're just as deranged as he is.
>
> Did Arny say that he received child porn?

Yes.

> Did he actually receive it?

How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?

>Did someone here send it to him?

Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone would admit to it in
public.

I can smell the turnips from here!

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 01:48 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Mickey, have you noticed Arnii's barrage of ridiculous
>>> accusations toward Jennifer?
>>
>> Yes, I accused Jenn of hiding her identity while trying
>> to use her identity to gain debating points. Jenn
>> admitted that she had hidden her identity and gave her
>> (rediculous slightly paranoid) reasons for doing so.
>
> Sir, a person showed up on my freaking doorstep.

A person shows up on my doorstep every day or two, more or less.

So what?

> What, exactly, about that is "rediculous (sic) slightly
> paranoid"?

There must be a 50 cent word for paranoid fear that someone will show up on
one's doorstep.

As close as I can come is "fear of door-to-door solicitors".

> Good GOD you're odd.

No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of seeing another human
being on my doorstep.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 01:48 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> > [dot] net> wrote:
> >
> >> Jenn said:
> >>
> >>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >>
> >>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn.
> >>> Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >>
> >> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of
> >> the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >
> > And he calls others paranoid?
>
> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who believes anything
> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George Middius.

What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?

ScottW

January 29th 06, 01:51 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
>
> I fully understand what you are saying, and it's not my wish to have the
> whole thing re-hashed. I simply want to see how objective Nyob is.
> Truly.
>
Well rehashing that piece of history isn't going to answer that question.
Mike isn't gonna be objective as he has been the brunt of relentless Middius
ridicule for years.... Search George Middius author and bugeater if you
don't believe me.

ScottW

Jenn

January 29th 06, 01:51 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article
> > t>,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> In article >,
> >>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jenn said:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
> >>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >>>
> >>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >>
> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse
> >> than paranoid, you're just as deranged as he is.
> >
> > Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Did he actually receive it?
>
> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?

You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
>
> >Did someone here send it to him?
>
> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone would admit to it in
> public.

I was asking Nyob. If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why
did you accuse someone here of sending it to you?

ScottW

January 29th 06, 01:56 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>> > [dot] net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jenn said:
>> >>
>> >>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>> >>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >>
>> >>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn.
>> >>> Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>> >>
>> >> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of
>> >> the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>> >
>> > And he calls others paranoid?
>>
>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who believes
>> anything
>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George Middius.
>
> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?

OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling with pigs in the
mud?
You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the pig.... well he likes it.

You're starting to show a serious attraction for the mud.

ScottW

Jenn

January 29th 06, 01:57 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mickey, have you noticed Arnii's barrage of ridiculous
> >>> accusations toward Jennifer?
> >>
> >> Yes, I accused Jenn of hiding her identity while trying
> >> to use her identity to gain debating points. Jenn
> >> admitted that she had hidden her identity and gave her
> >> (rediculous slightly paranoid) reasons for doing so.
> >
> > Sir, a person showed up on my freaking doorstep.
>
> A person shows up on my doorstep every day or two, more or less.
>
> So what?
>
> > What, exactly, about that is "rediculous (sic) slightly
> > paranoid"?
>
> There must be a 50 cent word for paranoid fear that someone will show up on
> one's doorstep.
>
> As close as I can come is "fear of door-to-door solicitors".
>
> > Good GOD you're odd.
>
> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of seeing another human
> being on my doorstep.

I'm surprised that you're not intelligent enough to understand that
someone from a newsgroup arrived at my door uninvited. He lived about
100 miles away from me. I took this uninvited visit at 10 p.m. from a
stranger who was a political opponent online to be a threatening move.
I also received phone calls from him. All of this took place because I
revealed information about myself (mostly just my last name) in a
newsgroup. If you want to call that "paranoid", then have at it.
Additionally, up yours.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 01:58 AM

In article <ncVCf.62719$0G.15844@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I fully understand what you are saying, and it's not my wish to have the
> > whole thing re-hashed. I simply want to see how objective Nyob is.
> > Truly.
> >
> Well rehashing that piece of history isn't going to answer that question.
> Mike isn't gonna be objective as he has been the brunt of relentless Middius
> ridicule for years.... Search George Middius author and bugeater if you
> don't believe me.
>
> ScottW

Understood. I didn't mean to upset the peace.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 02:04 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message news:MN->

> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of seeing another human
> being on my doorstep.

Is that why you freaked out and threatened to call the cops on Marc when he
said he might be in your neighborhood? Quit trying to be all macho when
there's a lady present, you look silly.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:08 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

exactly 6 minutes after I posted!

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>

>>> Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> Did he actually receive it?
>>
>> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?

> You mean no one asked you for "proof"?

I suggest you do a little deep thinking for once in your life, Jenn. Is
proof of such a thing possible on Usenet?

>>> Did someone here send it to him?

>> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone
>> would admit to it in public.

> I was asking Nyob.

So what?

Jenn's lack of critical thinking abiltiies, part deux:

There's only one way that Mike as an average web user would know for sure
who sent me *anything* and that would be if he sent it to me or saw someone
actually doing it, or like that.

> If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why did you accuse someone
> here of sending it to you?

Who says that it is not known who sent me the porn?

There's a big difference between something being knowable at all, and
something being provable on Usenet.

I'm smelling those turnips again... ;-)

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:09 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>
>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>>
>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of
>>>> the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>>
>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>
>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who
>> believes anything that was posted by the sockpuppet
>> known as George Middius.
>
> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?

That nobody sent it to me. It arrived, therefore it was sent.

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:10 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article
>> >, "Arny
>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> >, George
>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
>>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>>>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>>>
>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>>
>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
>>> who believes anything
>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
>>> Middius.
>>
>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>
> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
> with pigs in the mud?
> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the pig....
> well he likes it.
> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the mud.

Starting?

LOL!

See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for Jenn to cast herself
as a victim.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 02:11 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> In article
> >> >, "Arny
> >> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>> In article
> >>>> >, George
> >>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> >>>> [dot] net> wrote:
> >>>>> Jenn said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >>>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
> >>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >>>>
> >>>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >>>
> >>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
> >>> who believes anything
> >>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
> >>> Middius.
> >>
> >> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
> >
> > OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
> > with pigs in the mud?
> > You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the pig....
> > well he likes it.
> > You're starting to show a serious attraction for the mud.
>
> Starting?
>
> LOL!

You do understand that he is including you as part of the mud, don't you?
>
> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for Jenn to cast herself
> as a victim.

Which I haven't done.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 02:13 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jenn said:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of
> >>>> the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >>>
> >>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >>
> >> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who
> >> believes anything that was posted by the sockpuppet
> >> known as George Middius.
> >
> > What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>
> That nobody sent it to me. It arrived, therefore it was sent.

I see. OK. Is the rest of it true? You accuse someone here of sending
it, etc? Actually, never mind; Scott is right. it would bore everyone
else here to re-hash it. I'll just look it up.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 02:13 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
>> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> In article
>> >> >, "Arny
>> >> Krueger" > wrote:
>> >>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >>>
>> >>>> In article
>> >>>> >, George
>> >>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>> >>>> [dot] net> wrote:
>> >>>>> Jenn said:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>> >>>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>> >>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>> >>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>> >>>
>> >>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
>> >>> who believes anything
>> >>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
>> >>> Middius.
>> >>
>> >> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>> >
>> > OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
>> > with pigs in the mud?
>> > You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the pig....
>> > well he likes it.
>> > You're starting to show a serious attraction for the mud.
>>
>> Starting?
>>
>> LOL!
>
> You do understand that he is including you as part of the mud, don't you?

Actually.. in this scenario... Arny is the pig :)

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:14 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mickey, have you noticed Arnii's barrage of ridiculous
>>>>> accusations toward Jennifer?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I accused Jenn of hiding her identity while trying
>>>> to use her identity to gain debating points. Jenn
>>>> admitted that she had hidden her identity and gave her
>>>> (rediculous slightly paranoid) reasons for doing so.
>>>
>>> Sir, a person showed up on my freaking doorstep.
>>
>> A person shows up on my doorstep every day or two, more
>> or less.
>>
>> So what?
>>
>>> What, exactly, about that is "rediculous (sic) slightly
>>> paranoid"?
>>
>> There must be a 50 cent word for paranoid fear that
>> someone will show up on one's doorstep.
>>
>> As close as I can come is "fear of door-to-door
>> solicitors".
>>
>>> Good GOD you're odd.
>>
>> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of
>> seeing another human being on my doorstep.
>
> I'm surprised that you're not intelligent enough to
> understand that someone from a newsgroup arrived at my
> door uninvited.

So what?

> He lived about 100 miles away from me.

OK, so what?

> I took this uninvited visit at 10 p.m. from a stranger
> who was a political opponent online to be a threatening
> move.

Well Jenn, threats come in various levels. If you want to build your
behavior patterns for the rest of your life around this one event, be my
guest. It's your life!

> I also received phone calls from him.

I've received phone calls of all kinds from people on Usenet. So what?

>All of this
> took place because I revealed information about myself
> (mostly just my last name) in a newsgroup. If you want
> to call that "paranoid", then have at it.

I don't do these things for the thrill of it, missy.

> Additionally, up yours.

Do you want to be taken seriously after all this, Jenn?

George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 02:15 AM

"It's just that simple," quoth Sillybot, with prescient perspicacity.

> if you don't agree that Arny is the great satan of RAO... you're a borg.

All those language arts classes you were forced to sit through in grade
school must have been designed by "elitists" to torture you, Mr. Plebian
Proleborg.

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:16 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:npVCf.62724$0G.42922@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> news:MN->
>> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of
>> seeing another human being on my doorstep.

> Is that why you freaked out and threatened to call the
> cops on Marc when he said he might be in your
> neighborhood?

Freaked out?

LOL!

> Quit trying to be all macho when there's a lady present, you look silly.

Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that Marc made threats on
my life on RAO, Scott?

Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that anybody has made
threats on my life on RAO, veiled or otherwise?

BTW, Scotty I didn't say serious or credible, I simply said "threats on my
life".

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:18 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> In article
>>>> >, "Arny
>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> >, George
>>>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>>>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
>>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>>>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>>>>
>>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
>>>>> who believes anything
>>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
>>>>> Middius.
>>>>
>>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>>>
>>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
>>> with pigs in the mud?
>>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
>>> pig.... well he likes it.
>>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
>>> mud.
>>
>> Starting?
>>
>> LOL!

> You do understand that he is including you as part of the
> mud, don't you?

Are you really this naive, Jenn?

I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part of the mud!

>> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for
>> Jenn to cast herself as a victim.

> Which I haven't done.

LOL!

Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone you
don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:20 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >, George
>>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>>>>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>>>>
>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>>>
>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
>>>> who believes anything that was posted by the sockpuppet
>>>> known as George Middius.
>>>
>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>>
>> That nobody sent it to me. It arrived, therefore it was
>> sent.
>
> I see. OK.

Are you dense or what, Jenn?

> Is the rest of it true?

Which of the rest?

> You accuse someone here of sending it, etc?

Yes, I accused someone on Usenet of sending it.

> Actually, never mind; Scott is
> right. it would bore everyone else here to re-hash it.

Actually as naive as you are Jenn, you could hardly be counted on to
properly interpret the data you're likely to uncover, especially given your
consummate shallowness and inability to think critically.

> I'll just look it up.

Scotty is setting you up.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 02:26 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >

> Scotty is setting you up.

BS Arny... I'm just not interested in listening to you mortal combatants
engage in insults and accusations at an even more significant rate.
I'll leave it to Jenn to draw her own conclusions while leaving the group in
"peace"... or whatever you call this.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:29 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:xJVCf.62728$0G.46577@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >
>
>> Scotty is setting you up.
>
> BS Arny...

Lack of introspection, noted.

> I'm just not interested in listening to you
> mortal combatants engage in insults and accusations at an
> even more significant rate.

Then why are you setting Jenn up?

> I'll leave it to Jenn to draw her own conclusions while
> leaving the group in "peace"... or whatever you call this.

I call this a clear case of Scott helping his old buddy Art.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 02:29 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:npVCf.62724$0G.42922@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> news:MN->
>>> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of
>>> seeing another human being on my doorstep.
>
>> Is that why you freaked out and threatened to call the
>> cops on Marc when he said he might be in your
>> neighborhood?
>
> Freaked out?
>
> LOL!
>
>> Quit trying to be all macho when there's a lady present, you look
>> silly.
>
> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that Marc made threats on
> my life on RAO, Scott?

No idea.

>
> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that anybody has made
> threats on my life on RAO, veiled or otherwise?

No idea.

>
> BTW, Scotty I didn't say serious or credible, I simply said "threats on my
> life".

So... what you should consider is that there are many of us on usenet who
have never had their life threatened. You... with your behavior... have
apparently been threatened many times. Have you ever once consider that
you just might be doing something to inspire such behavior?
Show a smidge of self awareness for once.

ScottW

Jenn

January 29th 06, 02:32 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:npVCf.62724$0G.42922@dukeread10
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > news:MN->
> >> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of
> >> seeing another human being on my doorstep.
>
> > Is that why you freaked out and threatened to call the
> > cops on Marc when he said he might be in your
> > neighborhood?
>
> Freaked out?
>
> LOL!
>
> > Quit trying to be all macho when there's a lady present, you look silly.
>
> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that Marc made threats on
> my life on RAO, Scott?
>
> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that anybody has made
> threats on my life on RAO, veiled or otherwise?
>
> BTW, Scotty I didn't say serious or credible, I simply said "threats on my
> life".

Paranoid?

ScottW

January 29th 06, 02:47 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:xJVCf.62728$0G.46577@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >
>>
>>> Scotty is setting you up.
>>
>> BS Arny...
>
> Lack of introspection, noted.
>
>> I'm just not interested in listening to you
>> mortal combatants engage in insults and accusations at an
>> even more significant rate.
>
> Then why are you setting Jenn up?
>
>> I'll leave it to Jenn to draw her own conclusions while
>> leaving the group in "peace"... or whatever you call this.
>
> I call this a clear case

Clear as mud in a pigs eye.

>of Scott helping his old buddy Art.

Art doesn't need my help.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:51 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:NMVCf.62729$0G.43145@dukeread10

> So... what you should consider is that there are many of
> us on usenet who have never had their life threatened.

Oh, I'm quite sure of that.

> You... with your behavior... have apparently been
> threatened many times.

What you don't get Scott is that I have been threatened early and often,
well before my so-called behavior was any kind of a pattern.

For example Zip threatened lots of people, including me. So his threats to
me were unremarkable. But he had a number of imitators. After a while I was
the only person that Zip threatened who was still around. However there were
still these imititators who were still around. Later on, others imitated
them, and the wheel turns around again and again.

Over the years, a social pattern has developed based on threatening and
abusing me. It's what people do when they first come on RAO to get approval
or at least peace from the people who are most vocal such as Middius. It's a
trap that many avoid but that many others fall into. At this point I could
be the man in the moon, and I'd get threats and abuse, simply because of how
people work in groups like this one.

> Have you ever once consider that
> you just might be doing something to inspire such
> behavior?

At this point, the simple fact that people know about what went before, and
observe the past and current behavior of others seems to be sufficient to
explain quite a bit.

> Show a smidge of self awareness for once.

That's my line Scott, you can't usurp it at this late date. ;-)

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 02:55 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:npVCf.62724$0G.42922@dukeread10
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> news:MN->
>>>> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of
>>>> seeing another human being on my doorstep.
>>
>>> Is that why you freaked out and threatened to call the
>>> cops on Marc when he said he might be in your
>>> neighborhood?
>>
>> Freaked out?
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>>> Quit trying to be all macho when there's a lady
>>> present, you look silly.
>>
>> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that
>> Marc made threats on my life on RAO, Scott?
>>
>> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that
>> anybody has made threats on my life on RAO, veiled or
>> otherwise?

>> BTW, Scotty I didn't say serious or credible, I simply
>> said "threats on my life".

Note that both Scotty and Jenn lack the character it would take to give a
straight answer to the question above. Instead theytries to twist it into a
justification for antisocial behavior.

> Paranoid?

LOL!

That your mind can even frame the question speaks to how naive and shallow
your thinking is, Jenn.

Paranoids don't laugh at people who make threats on their life. It freaks
them out.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 02:58 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> >, George
> >>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> >>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Jenn said:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >>>>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
> >>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >>>>
> >>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
> >>>> who believes anything that was posted by the sockpuppet
> >>>> known as George Middius.
> >>>
> >>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
> >>
> >> That nobody sent it to me. It arrived, therefore it was
> >> sent.
> >
> > I see. OK.
>
> Are you dense or what, Jenn?

Geese Arny, I was simply stating that I understand. Does every response
from you HAVE to be an attempted insult?

>
> > Is the rest of it true?
>
> Which of the rest?

That you called the cops, etc.
>
> > You accuse someone here of sending it, etc?
>
> Yes, I accused someone on Usenet of sending it.

Here, meaning RAO?
>
> > Actually, never mind; Scott is
> > right. it would bore everyone else here to re-hash it.
>
> Actually as naive as you are Jenn, you could hardly be counted on to
> properly interpret the data you're likely to uncover, especially given your
> consummate shallowness and inability to think critically.

LOL. Sorry, I won't bite on that. If you want to throw around
unfounded juvenile attempts at insults, be my guest. It hurts you, not
me.

George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 03:00 AM

Jenn said:

> > BTW, Scotty I didn't say serious or credible, I simply said "threats on my
> > life".
>
> Paranoid?

And schizophrenic. I've urged Mr. **** on several occasions to end his
tortured existence by his own hand. I've suggested numerous ways he
might go about it, including deep water diving, testing the reaction
time of bus drivers, and measuring the effect of gravity on a windy day
in Chicago. Sadly, he failed to see the virtue in any of those possible
experiments, and instead accused me of threatening to kill him.

BTW, there never was any kiddie porn. Krooger is lying again.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 03:02 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
> >>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> In article
> >>>> >, "Arny
> >>>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In article
> >>>>>> >, George
> >>>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> >>>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Jenn said:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
> >>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
> >>>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
> >>>>> who believes anything
> >>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
> >>>>> Middius.
> >>>>
> >>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
> >>>
> >>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
> >>> with pigs in the mud?
> >>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
> >>> pig.... well he likes it.
> >>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
> >>> mud.
> >>
> >> Starting?
> >>
> >> LOL!
>
> > You do understand that he is including you as part of the
> > mud, don't you?
>
> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
>
> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part of the mud!
>
>
> >> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for
> >> Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
>
> > Which I haven't done.
>
> LOL!
>
> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone you
> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!

Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
lack of sensitivity.

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:05 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:0UUCf.62715$0G.24958@dukeread10

> Look.. you do need to understand that Arny is
> Middius' reason for being here. His audio commentary is
> extremely rare... he's prone to personal attacks... and
> if you don't agree that Arny is the great satan of RAO...
> you're a borg.

Note that Scotty vastly understates the antisocial behavior of Middius. This
is called praising with faint criticism.

> Arny... is his flip side... prone to
> arrogance, gross condescension and unfounded accusations.

Note that Scotty can't bring himself to admit that I've posted more honest
factual information here about audio than any living person.

This is called damning with overblown criticism and not a hint of balanced
perspective.

> Tell him he's wrong about anything.. and he will usually
> wig out over it.

<things get really rich here>

> Pull up some threads with him and Glen
> Zelniker of Z-systems going at it and you'll see what I
> mean.

What you get is Glenn Z wigging out when I disagreed with him:

Here's a snippit of Glenn Z melting down (note that Scotty would never tell
you about this)

" **** YOU, you loathsome, psychotic, subhuman imbecile! You deserve every
ounce of vitriole and hatred directed your way." "WAKE THE **** UP!!! "
"Keep it up, ****-for-brains. " "Oh, and ... **** you, troll."

>All you can get out him is the reflex sockpuppet accusation.

Jenn has changed her behavior to something that more strongly relates to
that of a real person.

> Frankly, they both have serious issues and if you just
> have a little patience you will find all this on your own
> in due time.

Note that Scotty places himself above *all of this*.

In fact Scott has OD'd on Middius's lies as much as anybody. He's only
recently beginning to see through any of them. Note that he buys the Middius
lies about the Zelniker matter hook, line, and sinker.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 03:07 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mickey, have you noticed Arnii's barrage of ridiculous
> >>>>> accusations toward Jennifer?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I accused Jenn of hiding her identity while trying
> >>>> to use her identity to gain debating points. Jenn
> >>>> admitted that she had hidden her identity and gave her
> >>>> (rediculous slightly paranoid) reasons for doing so.
> >>>
> >>> Sir, a person showed up on my freaking doorstep.
> >>
> >> A person shows up on my doorstep every day or two, more
> >> or less.
> >>
> >> So what?
> >>
> >>> What, exactly, about that is "rediculous (sic) slightly
> >>> paranoid"?
> >>
> >> There must be a 50 cent word for paranoid fear that
> >> someone will show up on one's doorstep.
> >>
> >> As close as I can come is "fear of door-to-door
> >> solicitors".
> >>
> >>> Good GOD you're odd.
> >>
> >> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of
> >> seeing another human being on my doorstep.
> >
> > I'm surprised that you're not intelligent enough to
> > understand that someone from a newsgroup arrived at my
> > door uninvited.
>
> So what?

Exactly. So what that you aren't intelligent enough to get it?
>
> > He lived about 100 miles away from me.
>
> OK, so what?
>
> > I took this uninvited visit at 10 p.m. from a stranger
> > who was a political opponent online to be a threatening
> > move.
>
> Well Jenn, threats come in various levels. If you want to build your
> behavior patterns for the rest of your life around this one event, be my
> guest. It's your life!

Yet another straw man argument, Arny, of which you truly are the King.
I'm not "building my behavior patterns for the rest of my life around
this one event." I've altered ONE behavior: like most people I take the
reasonable caution of not using my last name in newsgroups. Whoppie.
>
> > I also received phone calls from him.
>
> I've received phone calls of all kinds from people on Usenet. So what?

Did they threaten you online then show up at your house?
>
> >All of this
> > took place because I revealed information about myself
> > (mostly just my last name) in a newsgroup. If you want
> > to call that "paranoid", then have at it.
>
> I don't do these things for the thrill of it, missy.

Who DO you do it?
>
> > Additionally, up yours.
>
> Do you want to be taken seriously after all this, Jenn?

I don't care if you take me seriously or not.

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:07 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>>> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> >, "Arny
>>>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>>>>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
>>>>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>>>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another
>>>>>>>>> one of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
>>>>>>> who believes anything
>>>>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
>>>>>>> Middius.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is
>>>>>> false?
>>>>>
>>>>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
>>>>> with pigs in the mud?
>>>>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
>>>>> pig.... well he likes it.
>>>>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
>>>>> mud.
>>>>
>>>> Starting?
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>
>>> You do understand that he is including you as part of
>>> the mud, don't you?
>>
>> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
>>
>> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part of
>> the mud!
>>
>>
>>>> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for
>>>> Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
>>
>>> Which I haven't done.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone
>> call from someone you don't feel comfortable with. Talk
>> about a protected life!

> Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my
> house uninvited.

So then what happened?

Let me guess - not a heck of a lot.

> You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your lack of
> sensitivity.

I'm not worried about appearing to be insensitive to someone who is acting
paranoid.

I'm not worried about appearing to be insensitive to someone who doesn't
think twice about appearing to be insensitive to me. ;-)

Actually, its proving my point. Yes, Jenn you should stop trying to defend
your over-reaction. You're protesting too much.

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:09 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:R0WCf.62737$0G.17800@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:xJVCf.62728$0G.46577@dukeread10
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >
>>>
>>>> Scotty is setting you up.
>>>
>>> BS Arny...
>>
>> Lack of introspection, noted.
>>
>>> I'm just not interested in listening to you
>>> mortal combatants engage in insults and accusations at
>>> an even more significant rate.
>>
>> Then why are you setting Jenn up?
>>
>>> I'll leave it to Jenn to draw her own conclusions while
>>> leaving the group in "peace"... or whatever you call
>>> this.
>>
>> I call this a clear case

> Clear as mud in a pigs eye.

Clear enough. You've only got two defenses Scott: stupidity and malice.

>> of Scott helping his old buddy Art.

> Art doesn't need my help.

Really? Art is very close to the end of his useful life around here.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 03:10 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> exactly 6 minutes after I posted!
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
>
> >>> Did Arny say that he received child porn?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >>> Did he actually receive it?
> >>
> >> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?
>
> > You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
>
> I suggest you do a little deep thinking for once in your life, Jenn.

LOL. Says Arny! LOL
>
> Is
> proof of such a thing possible on Usenet?

Ah ha! Thanks for stepping into my point about asking me to prove that
I'm not paranoid.
>
> >>> Did someone here send it to him?
>
> >> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone
> >> would admit to it in public.
>
> > I was asking Nyob.
>
> So what?
>
> Jenn's lack of critical thinking abiltiies, part deux:
>
> There's only one way that Mike as an average web user would know for sure
> who sent me *anything* and that would be if he sent it to me or saw someone
> actually doing it, or like that.
>
> > If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why did you accuse someone
> > here of sending it to you?

I thought that you guys were friends and that he might have "inside"
information.
>
> Who says that it is not known who sent me the porn?

So who did send it?

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:11 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> >, George
>>>>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>>>>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
>>>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another
>>>>>>>> one of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
>>>>>> who believes anything that was posted by the
>>>>>> sockpuppet known as George Middius.
>>>>>
>>>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is
>>>>> false?
>>>>
>>>> That nobody sent it to me. It arrived, therefore it was
>>>> sent.
>>>
>>> I see. OK.
>>
>> Are you dense or what, Jenn?
>
> Geese Arny, I was simply stating that I understand. Does
> every response from you HAVE to be an attempted insult?
>
>>
>>> Is the rest of it true?
>>
>> Which of the rest?
>
> That you called the cops, etc.
>>
>>> You accuse someone here of sending it, etc?
>>
>> Yes, I accused someone on Usenet of sending it.
>
> Here, meaning RAO?

Yes.

>>> Actually, never mind; Scott is
>>> right. it would bore everyone else here to re-hash it.
>>
>> Actually as naive as you are Jenn, you could hardly be
>> counted on to properly interpret the data you're likely
>> to uncover, especially given your consummate shallowness
>> and inability to think critically.

> LOL. Sorry, I won't bite on that.

You should take it to heart. You clearly have not a clue about the swamp you
are preparing to trudge into.

> If you want to throw
> around unfounded juvenile attempts at insults, be my
> guest.

They are not unfounded.

> It hurts you, not me.

I'm just telling you how it is, Jenn. It may hurt your ego to be told that
you don't know what you are jumping into, but in fact you don't know what
you are jumping into.

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:12 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> exactly 6 minutes after I posted!
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>
>>>>> Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>>> Did he actually receive it?
>>>>
>>>> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?
>>
>>> You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
>>
>> I suggest you do a little deep thinking for once in your
>> life, Jenn.
>
> LOL. Says Arny! LOL
>>
>> Is
>> proof of such a thing possible on Usenet?
>
> Ah ha! Thanks for stepping into my point about asking me
> to prove that I'm not paranoid.
>>
>>>>> Did someone here send it to him?
>>
>>>> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone
>>>> would admit to it in public.
>>
>>> I was asking Nyob.
>>
>> So what?
>>
>> Jenn's lack of critical thinking abiltiies, part deux:
>>
>> There's only one way that Mike as an average web user
>> would know for sure who sent me *anything* and that
>> would be if he sent it to me or saw someone actually
>> doing it, or like that.
>>
>>> If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why did
>>> you accuse someone here of sending it to you?

> I thought that you guys were friends and that he might
> have "inside" information.

All of the "inside" information was posted, and I mean all of it.

>> Who says that it is not known who sent me the porn?

> So who did send it?

I've been coerced out of saying that in public.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 03:19 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> exactly 6 minutes after I posted!
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>
> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> Did Arny say that he received child porn?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Did he actually receive it?
> >>>>
> >>>> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?
> >>
> >>> You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
> >>
> >> I suggest you do a little deep thinking for once in your
> >> life, Jenn.
> >
> > LOL. Says Arny! LOL
> >>
> >> Is
> >> proof of such a thing possible on Usenet?
> >
> > Ah ha! Thanks for stepping into my point about asking me
> > to prove that I'm not paranoid.
> >>
> >>>>> Did someone here send it to him?
> >>
> >>>> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone
> >>>> would admit to it in public.
> >>
> >>> I was asking Nyob.
> >>
> >> So what?
> >>
> >> Jenn's lack of critical thinking abiltiies, part deux:
> >>
> >> There's only one way that Mike as an average web user
> >> would know for sure who sent me *anything* and that
> >> would be if he sent it to me or saw someone actually
> >> doing it, or like that.
> >>
> >>> If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why did
> >>> you accuse someone here of sending it to you?
>
> > I thought that you guys were friends and that he might
> > have "inside" information.
>
> All of the "inside" information was posted, and I mean all of it.
>
> >> Who says that it is not known who sent me the porn?
>
> > So who did send it?
>
> I've been coerced out of saying that in public.

Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:27 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> exactly 6 minutes after I posted!
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did he actually receive it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or
>>>>>> not?
>>>>
>>>>> You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
>>>>
>>>> I suggest you do a little deep thinking for once in
>>>> your life, Jenn.
>>>
>>> LOL. Says Arny! LOL
>>>>
>>>> Is
>>>> proof of such a thing possible on Usenet?
>>>
>>> Ah ha! Thanks for stepping into my point about asking
>>> me to prove that I'm not paranoid.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Did someone here send it to him?
>>>>
>>>>>> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that
>>>>>> someone would admit to it in public.
>>>>
>>>>> I was asking Nyob.
>>>>
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>> Jenn's lack of critical thinking abiltiies, part deux:
>>>>
>>>> There's only one way that Mike as an average web user
>>>> would know for sure who sent me *anything* and that
>>>> would be if he sent it to me or saw someone actually
>>>> doing it, or like that.
>>>>
>>>>> If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why did
>>>>> you accuse someone here of sending it to you?
>>
>>> I thought that you guys were friends and that he might
>>> have "inside" information.
>>
>> All of the "inside" information was posted, and I mean
>> all of it.
>>
>>>> Who says that it is not known who sent me the porn?
>>
>>> So who did send it?
>>
>> I've been coerced out of saying that in public.
>
> Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?

The application of continuous pain over a long period of time.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 03:32 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:NMVCf.62729$0G.43145@dukeread10
>
>> So... what you should consider is that there are many of
>> us on usenet who have never had their life threatened.
>
> Oh, I'm quite sure of that.
>
>
>> You... with your behavior... have apparently been
>> threatened many times.
>
> What you don't get Scott is that I have been threatened early and often,
> well before my so-called behavior was any kind of a pattern.
>
> For example Zip threatened lots of people, including me.

He threatened me in a case of mistaken identity but quickly apologized.
He's the reason I'm Scott"W"

> So his threats to me were unremarkable. But he had a number of imitators.
> After a while I was the only person that Zip threatened who was still
> around. However there were still these imititators who were still around.
> Later on, others imitated them, and the wheel turns around again and
> again.
>
> Over the years, a social pattern has developed based on threatening and
> abusing me.

Oh brother! delusions of grandeur? A social pattern developed around you!

Arny... if you didn't go out of your way to abuse people your social pattern
wouldn't continue. You keep feeding it and your treatment of Jenn, a
relative newb, is a pretty good example.

ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 03:33 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >

> Note that both Scotty and Jenn lack the character it would take to give a
> straight answer to the question above.

Feeding the "social pattern" again I see Arny.

ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 03:38 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:R0WCf.62737$0G.17800@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>> news:xJVCf.62728$0G.46577@dukeread10
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >
>>>>
>>>>> Scotty is setting you up.
>>>>
>>>> BS Arny...
>>>
>>> Lack of introspection, noted.
>>>
>>>> I'm just not interested in listening to you
>>>> mortal combatants engage in insults and accusations at
>>>> an even more significant rate.
>>>
>>> Then why are you setting Jenn up?
>>>
>>>> I'll leave it to Jenn to draw her own conclusions while
>>>> leaving the group in "peace"... or whatever you call
>>>> this.
>>>
>>> I call this a clear case
>
>> Clear as mud in a pigs eye.
>
> Clear enough. You've only got two defenses Scott: stupidity and malice.

There is a 3rd option... your insanity.

>
>>> of Scott helping his old buddy Art.
>
>> Art doesn't need my help.
>
> Really? Art is very close to the end of his useful life around here.

You're the only person here who actively aspires to being "useful".
Funny thing is... everyone else.. well most everyone else has a real life so
they don't need to be useful or derive some fufillment from usenet.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:48 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:0NWCf.62747$0G.18751@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:R0WCf.62737$0G.17800@dukeread10
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>>> news:xJVCf.62728$0G.46577@dukeread10
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >
>>>>>
>>>>>> Scotty is setting you up.
>>>>>
>>>>> BS Arny...
>>>>
>>>> Lack of introspection, noted.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm just not interested in listening to you
>>>>> mortal combatants engage in insults and accusations at
>>>>> an even more significant rate.
>>>>
>>>> Then why are you setting Jenn up?
>>>>
>>>>> I'll leave it to Jenn to draw her own conclusions
>>>>> while leaving the group in "peace"... or whatever you
>>>>> call this.
>>>>
>>>> I call this a clear case
>>
>>> Clear as mud in a pigs eye.
>>
>> Clear enough. You've only got two defenses Scott:
>> stupidity and malice.
>
> There is a 3rd option... your insanity.
>
>>
>>>> of Scott helping his old buddy Art.
>>
>>> Art doesn't need my help.
>>
>> Really? Art is very close to the end of his useful life
>> around here.
>
> You're the only person here who actively aspires to
> being "useful".

Whatever that means, if it were even right.

> Funny thing is... everyone else.. well most everyone else
> has a real life so they don't need to be useful or derive
> some fufillment from usenet.

Right Scott you're posting all this crap and getting zero fulfillment out
of it.

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:51 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:qHWCf.62745$0G.27440@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:NMVCf.62729$0G.43145@dukeread10
>>
>>> So... what you should consider is that there are many of
>>> us on usenet who have never had their life threatened.
>>
>> Oh, I'm quite sure of that.
>>
>>
>>> You... with your behavior... have apparently been
>>> threatened many times.
>>
>> What you don't get Scott is that I have been threatened
>> early and often, well before my so-called behavior was
>> any kind of a pattern. For example Zip threatened lots of people,
>> including me.

> He threatened me in a case of mistaken identity but
> quickly apologized. He's the reason I'm Scott"W"

Whatever that means.

>> So his threats to me were unremarkable. But he had a
>> number of imitators. After a while I was the only person
>> that Zip threatened who was still around. However there
>> were still these imititators who were still around.
>> Later on, others imitated them, and the wheel turns
>> around again and again. Over the years, a social pattern has developed
>> based on
>> threatening and abusing me.
>
> Oh brother! delusions of grandeur? A social pattern
> developed around you!

As usual you've reached an Arny-centric conclusion. Not the pattern
pre-existed me, this is just one instance.

> Arny... if you didn't go out of your way to abuse people
> your social pattern wouldn't continue.

If people like you and Jenn wouldn't go out of your way to get the reaction
you want from me...

> You keep feeding
> it and your treatment of Jenn, a relative newb, is a
> pretty good example.

There you go Scotty, getting all co-dependent on us! ;-)

Jenn really needs to wake up.

> ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 03:53 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?
>
> The application of continuous pain over a long period of time.

He accused so many people he finally ****ed off the wrong person and they
filed a suit against him for it which was eventually dropped.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 29th 06, 03:57 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:4%WCf.62751$0G.37809@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>>> Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?
>>
>> The application of continuous pain over a long period of
>> time.

> He accused so many people he finally ****ed off the
> wrong person and they filed a suit against him for it
> which was eventually dropped.

Boy are you confused, Scott - about as much as that other Scott.

Remember, the suit cost that other Scott money and reputation. It cost me
nothing - it was a big laugh.

The two incidents were about as unrelated as any two things that both
involved me and RAO could be.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 04:08 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:0UUCf.62715$0G.24958@dukeread10
>
>> Look.. you do need to understand that Arny is
>> Middius' reason for being here. His audio commentary is
>> extremely rare... he's prone to personal attacks... and
>> if you don't agree that Arny is the great satan of RAO...
>> you're a borg.
>
> Note that Scotty vastly understates the antisocial behavior of Middius.
> This is called praising with faint criticism.
>
>> Arny... is his flip side... prone to
>> arrogance, gross condescension and unfounded accusations.
>
> Note that Scotty can't bring himself to admit that I've posted more honest
> factual information here about audio than any living person.
>
> This is called damning with overblown criticism and not a hint of balanced
> perspective.
>
>> Tell him he's wrong about anything.. and he will usually
>> wig out over it.
>
> <things get really rich here>
>
>> Pull up some threads with him and Glen
>> Zelniker of Z-systems going at it and you'll see what I
>> mean.
>
> What you get is Glenn Z wigging out when I disagreed with him:
>
> Here's a snippit of Glenn Z melting down (note that Scotty would never
> tell you about this)
>
> " **** YOU, you loathsome, psychotic, subhuman imbecile! You deserve
> every ounce of vitriole and hatred directed your way." "WAKE THE ****
> UP!!! " > "Keep it up, ****-for-brains. " "Oh, and ... **** you, troll."

Heres the message ID. Go see the context for yourself.

Arny triggered his outburst with this:

"Asses with the same smell seem to flock together, it seems. ;-(

One advantage, you get insensitive to your own smell and then you
can persist in the delusion that your s#!+ don't stink! ;-) "

>
>
>>All you can get out him is the reflex sockpuppet accusation.
>
> Jenn has changed her behavior to something that more strongly relates to
> that of a real person.
>
>> Frankly, they both have serious issues and if you just
>> have a little patience you will find all this on your own
>> in due time.
>
> Note that Scotty places himself above *all of this*.

I lived in Minnesota... I know loons when I see them.

>
> In fact Scott has OD'd on Middius's lies as much as anybody. He's only
> recently beginning to see through any of them. Note that he buys the
> Middius lies about the Zelniker matter hook, line, and sinker.

Anybody can look at the thread and see the matter for themselves.

ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 04:10 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:4%WCf.62751$0G.37809@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?
>>>
>>> The application of continuous pain over a long period of
>>> time.
>
>> He accused so many people he finally ****ed off the
>> wrong person and they filed a suit against him for it
>> which was eventually dropped.
>
> Boy are you confused, Scott - about as much as that other Scott.
>
> Remember, the suit cost that other Scott money and reputation. It cost me
> nothing - it was a big laugh.
>
> The two incidents were about as unrelated as any two things that both
> involved me and RAO could be.
>
Ok Arny... sufferer of continuous pain on RAO.

ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 04:12 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >
>> Funny thing is... everyone else.. well most everyone else
>> has a real life so they don't need to be useful or derive
>> some fufillment from usenet.
>
> Right Scott you're posting all this crap and getting zero fulfillment out
> of it.

Having trouble with a simple word like "need" now?

ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 04:14 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >

>> Arny... if you didn't go out of your way to abuse people
>> your social pattern wouldn't continue.
>
> If people like you and Jenn wouldn't go out of your way to get the
> reaction you want from me...
>

Like I want your reactions.
You've got more rationalizations going on in your old head than I can
deal with.

Enjoy your pain Arny.

ScottW

Jenn

January 29th 06, 04:21 AM

In article <qHWCf.62745$0G.27440@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "ScottW" > wrote in message
> > news:NMVCf.62729$0G.43145@dukeread10
> >
> >> So... what you should consider is that there are many of
> >> us on usenet who have never had their life threatened.
> >
> > Oh, I'm quite sure of that.
> >
> >
> >> You... with your behavior... have apparently been
> >> threatened many times.
> >
> > What you don't get Scott is that I have been threatened early and often,
> > well before my so-called behavior was any kind of a pattern.
> >
> > For example Zip threatened lots of people, including me.
>
> He threatened me in a case of mistaken identity but quickly apologized.
> He's the reason I'm Scott"W"
>
> > So his threats to me were unremarkable. But he had a number of imitators.
> > After a while I was the only person that Zip threatened who was still
> > around. However there were still these imititators who were still around.
> > Later on, others imitated them, and the wheel turns around again and
> > again.
> >
> > Over the years, a social pattern has developed based on threatening and
> > abusing me.
>
> Oh brother! delusions of grandeur? A social pattern developed around you!

One could say "self important" or "grandiose" Ummmm...sounds familiar.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 04:22 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>> exactly 6 minutes after I posted!
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> >, "Arny
> >>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Did Arny say that he received child porn?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Did he actually receive it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or
> >>>>>> not?
> >>>>
> >>>>> You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
> >>>>
> >>>> I suggest you do a little deep thinking for once in
> >>>> your life, Jenn.
> >>>
> >>> LOL. Says Arny! LOL
> >>>>
> >>>> Is
> >>>> proof of such a thing possible on Usenet?
> >>>
> >>> Ah ha! Thanks for stepping into my point about asking
> >>> me to prove that I'm not paranoid.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Did someone here send it to him?
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that
> >>>>>> someone would admit to it in public.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I was asking Nyob.
> >>>>
> >>>> So what?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jenn's lack of critical thinking abiltiies, part deux:
> >>>>
> >>>> There's only one way that Mike as an average web user
> >>>> would know for sure who sent me *anything* and that
> >>>> would be if he sent it to me or saw someone actually
> >>>> doing it, or like that.
> >>>>
> >>>>> If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why did
> >>>>> you accuse someone here of sending it to you?
> >>
> >>> I thought that you guys were friends and that he might
> >>> have "inside" information.
> >>
> >> All of the "inside" information was posted, and I mean
> >> all of it.
> >>
> >>>> Who says that it is not known who sent me the porn?
> >>
> >>> So who did send it?
> >>
> >> I've been coerced out of saying that in public.
> >
> > Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?
>
> The application of continuous pain over a long period of time.

Wow. Must be a powerful person who did that.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 04:22 AM

In article <4%WCf.62751$0G.37809@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?
> >
> > The application of continuous pain over a long period of time.
>
> He accused so many people he finally ****ed off the wrong person and they
> filed a suit against him for it which was eventually dropped.
>
> ScottW

WOW! LOL

George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 04:23 AM

Jenn said:

> > I've been coerced out of saying that in public.
>
> Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?

Dr. Kroomacher is the only individual who can adjust the Krooborg's
programming.

George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 04:24 AM

Scottie said:

> You've got more rationalizations going on in your old head than I can
> deal with.

You should try that "you don't earn enough to suit me" shtick on Arnii.
He makes even less than dave, and he doesn't even have a real job.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 04:37 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article <4%WCf.62751$0G.37809@dukeread10>,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> Someone coerced you? How was that accomplished?
>> >
>> > The application of continuous pain over a long period of time.
>>
>> He accused so many people he finally ****ed off the wrong person and
>> they
>> filed a suit against him for it which was eventually dropped.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> WOW! LOL

Heres the message Id for your historical search. Of course Arny had turned
the pedophile accusation around to anyone who he thought might have send him
the kiddie porn or just when it suited him.

ScottW

Jenn

January 29th 06, 04:40 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >>>> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
> >>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>> In article
> >>>>>> >, "Arny
> >>>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>> >,
> >>>>>>>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >>>>>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Jenn said:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
> >>>>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >>>>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another
> >>>>>>>>> one of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
> >>>>>>> who believes anything
> >>>>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
> >>>>>>> Middius.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is
> >>>>>> false?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
> >>>>> with pigs in the mud?
> >>>>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
> >>>>> pig.... well he likes it.
> >>>>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
> >>>>> mud.
> >>>>
> >>>> Starting?
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL!
> >>
> >>> You do understand that he is including you as part of
> >>> the mud, don't you?
> >>
> >> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
> >>
> >> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part of
> >> the mud!
> >>
> >>
> >>>> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for
> >>>> Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
> >>
> >>> Which I haven't done.
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone
> >> call from someone you don't feel comfortable with. Talk
> >> about a protected life!
>
> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my
> > house uninvited.
>
> So then what happened?
>
> Let me guess - not a heck of a lot.

I didn't open the door, and I called the landlords and they cam up and
read him the riot act. I had to change my phone number.
>

Jenn

January 29th 06, 04:42 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >> news:npVCf.62724$0G.42922@dukeread10
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>> news:MN->
> >>>> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of
> >>>> seeing another human being on my doorstep.
> >>
> >>> Is that why you freaked out and threatened to call the
> >>> cops on Marc when he said he might be in your
> >>> neighborhood?
> >>
> >> Freaked out?
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >>> Quit trying to be all macho when there's a lady
> >>> present, you look silly.
> >>
> >> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that
> >> Marc made threats on my life on RAO, Scott?
> >>
> >> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that
> >> anybody has made threats on my life on RAO, veiled or
> >> otherwise?
>
> >> BTW, Scotty I didn't say serious or credible, I simply
> >> said "threats on my life".
>
> Note that both Scotty and Jenn lack the character it would take to give a
> straight answer to the question above.

Which of the above questions are you asking of me, Arny?

> Instead theytries to twist it into a
> justification for antisocial behavior.

What anti-social behavior am I justifying, Arny?
>
> > Paranoid?
>
> LOL!
>
> That your mind can even frame the question speaks to how naive and shallow
> your thinking is, Jenn.
>
> Paranoids don't laugh at people who make threats on their life. It freaks
> them out.

I see.

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:34 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> >
>> > Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>>
>> Yes, that is a fact.
>> He has made that accusation numerous times against numerous individuals.
>> These include George Middius, Dave Weil, Signal (Paul Dormer), myself and
>> even John Atkinson.
>>
>> Did he actually receive it?
>>
>> He has yet to prove that. He did publish the text of purported
>> emails, but not the pictures. He provided header information
>> but some people with computer savvy indicated that these so-called
>> headers
>> were forgeries
>>
>> > Did someone here send it to him?
>>
>> He has never offered any evidence of who sent him the purported material.
>> He only offered discredited evidence that he received them from
>> somewhere.
>>
>> It was several years after this event that Arnie claimed that he had just
>> showed them to the MSP detective. So, to do that, he must have kept the
>> offensive
>> material on his hard drive for a number of years.
>
> NYOB?

It's been 68 posts later on this Mikey thread, and not a peep out of
him!!!!!

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:36 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
\
>
> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of seeing another human
> being on my doorstep.
>

Boon?
Are you listening?

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:38 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:npVCf.62724$0G.42922@dukeread10...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message news:MN->
>
>> No, I'm just not paralyzed by fear by the thought of seeing another human
>> being on my doorstep.
>
>
> Is that why you freaked out and threatened to call the cops on Marc when
> he said he might be in your neighborhood? Quit trying to be all macho
> when there's a lady present, you look silly.
>
> ScottW
>

Marc = Boon

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:42 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

>
> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that Marc made threats on
> my life on RAO, Scott?
>
> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that anybody has made
> threats on my life on RAO, veiled or otherwise?
>
> BTW, Scotty I didn't say serious or credible, I simply said "threats on my
> life".
>
>

h0pw amny of them called you up?
How many of them actually rang your bell?
Or are you just trolling your victimhood?

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:43 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:xJVCf.62728$0G.46577@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >
>>
>>> Scotty is setting you up.
>>
>> BS Arny...
>
> Lack of introspection, noted.
>
>> I'm just not interested in listening to you
>> mortal combatants engage in insults and accusations at an
>> even more significant rate.
>
> Then why are you setting Jenn up?
>
>> I'll leave it to Jenn to draw her own conclusions while
>> leaving the group in "peace"... or whatever you call this.
>
> I call this a clear case of Scott helping his old buddy Art.
>
>
Helping me do what?

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:44 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:NMVCf.62729$0G.43145@dukeread10
>
>> So... what you should consider is that there are many of
>> us on usenet who have never had their life threatened.
>
> Oh, I'm quite sure of that.
>
>
>> You... with your behavior... have apparently been
>> threatened many times.
>
> What you don't get Scott is that I have been threatened early and often,
> well before my so-called behavior was any kind of a pattern.
>
> For example Zip threatened lots of people, including me. So his threats to
> me were unremarkable. But he had a number of imitators. After a while I
> was the only person that Zip threatened who was still around. However
> there were still these imititators who were still around. Later on, others
> imitated them, and the wheel turns around again and again.
>
> Over the years, a social pattern has developed based on threatening and
> abusing me. It's what people do when they first come on RAO to get
> approval or at least peace from the people who are most vocal such as
> Middius. It's a trap that many avoid but that many others fall into. At
> this point I could be the man in the moon, and I'd get threats and abuse,
> simply because of how people work in groups like this one.
>

Awww! You poor little victim!!

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:46 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone
>> you
>> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
>
> Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
> lack of sensitivity.

except when its his ass being threatened.

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:52 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:qHWCf.62745$0G.27440@dukeread10...
>
>
> Arny... if you didn't go out of your way to abuse people your social
> pattern wouldn't continue. You keep feeding it and your treatment of
> Jenn, a relative newb, is a pretty good example.
>

I'm impressed. She really know how to handle him.
She can really prick his nerves when she wants to.

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:56 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..

>
> Really? Art is very close to the end of his useful life around here.
>

The day you walk in front of that city bus is the day that my useful
life around here will end.

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 06:01 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone
>> >> you
>> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
>> >
>> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
>> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
>> > lack of sensitivity.
>>
>> except when its his ass being threatened.
>
> Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his contacts with
> the police in Google.

about Marc, aka Booniebug?

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 06:11 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from
>> >> >> someone
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
>> >> >
>> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
>> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing
>> >> > your
>> >> > lack of sensitivity.
>> >>
>> >> except when its his ass being threatened.
>> >
>> > Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his contacts
>> > with
>> > the police in Google.
>>
>> about Marc, aka Booniebug?
>
> Yeah.

Marc's a nice guy, I met him a few times.
And Scott too, who I know even better. I ususally visit him when I'm in San
Diego.

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Jenn

January 29th 06, 06:16 AM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone
> >> you
> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
> >
> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
> > lack of sensitivity.
>
> except when its his ass being threatened.

Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his contacts with
the police in Google.

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 06:25 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from
>> >> >> >> someone
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
>> >> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's
>> >> >> > showing
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > lack of sensitivity.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> except when its his ass being threatened.
>> >> >
>> >> > Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his contacts
>> >> > with
>> >> > the police in Google.
>> >>
>> >> about Marc, aka Booniebug?
>> >
>> > Yeah.
>>
>> Marc's a nice guy, I met him a few times.
>> And Scott too, who I know even better. I ususally visit him when I'm in
>> San
>> Diego.
>
> Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
> posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.

Actually, I mean Scott W

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Jenn

January 29th 06, 06:27 AM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone
> >> >> you
> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
> >> >
> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
> >> > lack of sensitivity.
> >>
> >> except when its his ass being threatened.
> >
> > Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his contacts with
> > the police in Google.
>
> about Marc, aka Booniebug?

Yeah.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 06:39 AM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from
> >> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> >> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing
> >> >> > your
> >> >> > lack of sensitivity.
> >> >>
> >> >> except when its his ass being threatened.
> >> >
> >> > Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his contacts
> >> > with
> >> > the police in Google.
> >>
> >> about Marc, aka Booniebug?
> >
> > Yeah.
>
> Marc's a nice guy, I met him a few times.
> And Scott too, who I know even better. I ususally visit him when I'm in San
> Diego.

Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 06:54 AM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> .
> >> >> >> ..
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from
> >> >> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> >> >> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's
> >> >> >> > showing
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > lack of sensitivity.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> except when its his ass being threatened.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his contacts
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > the police in Google.
> >> >>
> >> >> about Marc, aka Booniebug?
> >> >
> >> > Yeah.
> >>
> >> Marc's a nice guy, I met him a few times.
> >> And Scott too, who I know even better. I ususally visit him when I'm in
> >> San
> >> Diego.
> >
> > Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
> > posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
>
> Actually, I mean Scott W

I see; thanks, it's hard without a score card :-)

One of the best record stores/audio stores in SoCal is in San Diego. I
was raised in the county and my Dad is still there. Maybe Scott and I
can lunch sometime.

January 29th 06, 08:19 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> > In article
>> > t>,
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> In article >,
>> >>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>> >>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Jenn said:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>> >>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>> >>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>> >>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>> >>>
>> >>> And he calls others paranoid?
>> >>
>> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse
>> >> than paranoid, you're just as deranged as he is.
>> >
>> > Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> > Did he actually receive it?
>>
>> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?
>
> You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
>>
>> >Did someone here send it to him?
>>

Impossible to say for sure, but why would someone lie about it.

>> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone would admit to it
>> in
>> public.
>
> I was asking Nyob. If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why
> did you accuse someone here of sending it to you?

IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a pedophile, from a number
of people, Middius included. A thing that reprehensible enough as it is on
it own, would be impossible for anybody here to even have a clue at. It was
a case of sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

You can check Google for a more accurate reading of the events as they
unfolded, but I think I have given you the gist of it.

Then for a capper you might want to see Middius reaction to the Arny's post
regarding the death of his son Nate. There are few people who I truly think
are beyond help or who occaisonally deserve a break, Middius is one. He's
apig, he started out here as a pig and has never let up.

Interesting that he turned up almost immediately after another ant-Arny
whacko disappeared, one calling himself Allen, Alan, etc. Derrida, who would
post long winded screeds on a nearly daily basis.

The normal bickering and anti ABX rants from other sources are bad enough
and make this place legendary for it's nastiness, but Middius and Derrida
before him set new levels of trash.

While we're at it, look at Ludovic's history on RAHE and figure out why he's
not posting there anymore.

January 29th 06, 08:33 AM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>
>>>> > > Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>>>> > > you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> > Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn. Do we know
>>>> > if
>>>> > ANYONE actually did?
>>>>
>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of the Beast's
>>>> imaginary conspiracies.
>>>
>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>
>> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse than paranoid,
>> you're just as deranged as he is.
>>
>
> mikey, then you are saying that Arny was correct when he made claims
> against about a dozen of his enemies, that they were trafficing i kidie
> porn.
>
>
For a supposedly smart guy, you are a complete moron at mind reading.
I said no such thing, I believe that it was a response to many people saying
he was a pedophile.

I'm the last person to say that Arny isn't confrontational, but he has been
harassed in ways that have nothing to with his views on audio for a long,
time.

There is no way to stop any of the bull**** that goes on here, it is a free
speech forum after all, but the way to win arguments is with a better
argument. The way to win a technical argument is with a better technical
one. When neither of those things are possible, the name calling, and
specious accusations begin.

AFAIK nobody has bested Arny on technical grounds, and that makes some
people here despise him, since it disallows the fantasies that some many
seem to engage in with regard to audio.

That the real experienced experts on audio matters are about 99% in
agreement with Arny on the subject of audio, the constant derision and
personal attacking strikes me as the worst kind of sour grapes. Even sadder
is that it's not just Arny who get these attacks but anybody who hold the
same rationalist views on audio. That's probably the reason RAO does not
have the active participation of Dick Pierce, one of the true experts who
posts to usenet.

January 29th 06, 08:33 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>> > [dot] net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jenn said:
>> >>
>> >>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>> >>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >>
>> >>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie porn.
>> >>> Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>> >>
>> >> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one of
>> >> the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>> >
>> > And he calls others paranoid?
>>
>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who believes
>> anything
>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George Middius.
>
> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?

What has he ever said that was true, would be an easier question.

January 29th 06, 09:00 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> >> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
>> >>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >>> ...
>> >>>> In article
>> >>>> >, "Arny
>> >>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>> >>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> In article
>> >>>>>> >, George
>> >>>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>> >>>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Jenn said:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
>> >>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>> >>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>> >>>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
>> >>>>> who believes anything
>> >>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
>> >>>>> Middius.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>> >>>
>> >>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
>> >>> with pigs in the mud?
>> >>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
>> >>> pig.... well he likes it.
>> >>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
>> >>> mud.
>> >>
>> >> Starting?
>> >>
>> >> LOL!
>>
>> > You do understand that he is including you as part of the
>> > mud, don't you?
>>
>> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
>>
>> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part of the mud!
>>
>>
>> >> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for
>> >> Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
>>
>> > Which I haven't done.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone
>> you
>> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
>
> Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
> lack of sensitivity.

How's this for a lack of sensitivity from Middius:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/a1929e34566214b9/6bbf681425543336?lnk=st&q=Nate++(Arny+OR+Krueger)+group%3Arec.audio.opinio n+author%3AGeorge+author%3AMiddius&rnum=32&hl=en#6bbf681425543336

201. George M. Middius
Oct 15 1998, 11:00 pm show options

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The Krooborg reveals the ugly secrets of its family.

>>You know why I can tell such terrible cruel joke?
>>It is because I think that chulo madre Kruger has
>>made up the whole thing about his son.
>Check out http://www.dnps.com/dies/0929dies.htm , and search
>under the word "Krueger".

Yep, there it is. A true-sounding death notice for
"KRUEGER, NATHAN, Dearest son of Arnold and Susan".

I also notice that Arnii's mama is still living, but his
father is not. Cheech, how about a murder-suicide as a
working theory? Nate used Arnii's gun on Grandpa, then
deliberately ODed on drugs. Too bad the frame-up failed,
of course.

George M. Middius

If you had wondered why I think George is a pig, this is but one reason.

Here's but one of the Arny is a pedophile posts from another idiot:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/65aa3229b2c0961f/5dd84889c6e0af2d?lnk=st&q=Arny+pedophile+group%3Arec.audio.opinion&rnum=195&hl=en#5dd84889c6e0af2d

252. Jamie Benchimol
Sep 3 2002, 3:19 am show options

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"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
gy.com...
> "Jamie Benchimol" > wrote in message
> om

> > Do you realize
> > that were only hours away from the return of the Beast?

> Less than that! At that moment I was someplace in and about Toledo
> Ohio, the home of the Toledo Mud Hens baseball team.
> http://www.mudhens.com/

Tell that to someone WHO CARES pedo. No one here gives a rat's
patootie about the details of your vacation, you egomaniac. You seem
to keep forgetting how much you are actually -hated- here. Why do you
think you're referred to as "the Beast", exactly?

> You have serious problems with the truth, don't you sockpuppet
> "Benchimol"?

No, but you obviously do, since you're calling me a "sockpuppet", and
you have never proven that to be true.

> Sockpuppet "Benchimol" since you seem to like presenting FOI
> petitions to Michigan government agencies

That's because you seem to like PRETENDING that you filed police
reports that you did NOT, pedophile. But at least you confirmed the
FOI, so that's well and good. Not sure what the heck it has to do in a
point being made about the car you drive, but at least you got that in
there. BTW, that's not the only thing I "presented" to Michigan
government agencies about you, not by a long shot. To correct you on
another presumption of yours, I do not make FOI requests a "hobby", as
you imply. It's something I do only when dealing with scum of the
earth child pornographers like you.

> why don't you at least
> mention a vehicle that I own or at least have ever driven!

Okay. Tell me which vehicle you own, and I will. I'd also like the
license no. please, if you don't mind.

And a sample of Mr. Derrida's scribbles:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/d625ae6bea1886b7/3561f4c730d916fe?lnk=st&q=Arny+pedophile+group%3Arec.audio.opinion&rnum=271&hl=en#3561f4c730d916fe

7. Alan Derrida
May 2 1997, 11:00 pm show options

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wrote:
Kruger wrote:

:>In recent discussions with friends from a well-known high end audiophile
group
:>headquartered in Westchester County, I was told that Gindi slandered their
:>late president and founder over a very trivial matter, and caused them all
:>a lot of grief. I guess he tries to take from others what he seeks for
:>himself: credibility.

: Okay boys and girls: Now just get into your jammies, get under the covers
: and get ready for bed. It must be bedtime, because I see we're being
: treated to another one of "Apochryphal Arnie's Fractured Fairy Tales."
: Uh, Arny? In a recent conversation I had with an FBI undercover agent who
: works in your state, I was told that you are about to be hauled in to the
: pokey for parking outside Elementary Schools and trying to lure kids into
: your car by saying: "Hiya sweetie! If you come in my car, I'll let you
: play with my ABX box!" Trouble is, they had to set it up as a
: "sting-operation" and use a midget; not one of the fifth graders was dumb
: enough to be even REMOTELY interest in abx.
: To be sure, BOTH the above stories are EQUALLY true....

Wow! Arnold the Raving Neurotic, father of four daughters - a pedophile and
child molester?? Who would ever have guessed!?! ;)

Notice any similarities to any current poster?

George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 12:32 PM

Mickey, you're drooling. Do you want to be featured on the cover of
American Spittlepig Monthly again?

> What has he ever said that was true, would be an easier question.

I've stated the obvious about you many times -- i.e. you're an idiot, a
lowbrow, a Kroopologist, and a complete dork. All of those statements are
patently true.

John Atkinson

January 29th 06, 12:44 PM

wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > mikey, then you are saying that Arny was correct when he made
> > claims against about a dozen of his enemies, that they were
> > trafficing i kidie porn.
>
> For a supposedly smart guy, you are a complete moron at mind reading.
> I said no such thing, I believe that it was a response to many people
> saying he was a pedophile.

For the record, I never made any such accusation against Arny
Krueger, nor would I. Yet you should note that without a scrap of
evidence,
he accused me of sending him the purported emails. He then refused to
withdraw the accusation on the grounds that it was up to me to
prove that I hadn't, that if I couldn't it was reasonable to assume
that I had.

All of this is in the Google record, yet, Mr. McKelvy, you continue to
insist
that Krueger's behavior is somewhow excusable, that it is about
opinions
on audio, that Krueger only behaves badly in response to similar
attacks
made by others. Yet you still have not addressed the several examples I
gave you a while back of Krueger making unprovoked, obscene attacks
on usenet posters.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 02:27 PM

> wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> nk.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse than paranoid,
>>> you're just as deranged as he is.
>>>
>>
>> mikey, then you are saying that Arny was correct when he made claims
>> against about a dozen of his enemies, that they were trafficing i kidie
>> porn.
>>
>>
> For a supposedly smart guy, you are a complete moron at mind reading.
> I said no such thing, I believe that it was a response to many people
> saying he was a pedophile.
>

No, you have contradicted yourself. You have indicated that Middius
lied when he accused Arnie of making false accusations.
Therefore, you are saying that Arnie's accusations are true.

> I'm the last person to say that Arny isn't confrontational, but he has
> been harassed in ways that have nothing to with his views on audio for a
> long, time.
>

As you can see from Arnie's on line behavior this
week, he brought it upon himself back then, also.

> There is no way to stop any of the bull**** that goes on here, it is a
> free speech forum after all, but the way to win arguments is with a better
> argument. The way to win a technical argument is with a better technical
> one. When neither of those things are possible, the name calling, and
> specious accusations begin.
>

This is an OPINION group, it is not about technical arguments.
There are other groups specifically oriented towards technical issues.
BTW, Arny has had his ass handed to him on a platter many times, when he
does post over there.

> AFAIK nobody has bested Arny on technical grounds, and that makes some
> people here despise him, since it disallows the fantasies that some many
> seem to engage in with regard to audio.
>

AFAIK, you are dead wrong, he has often embarrased himself
when arguing with real audio technicians.

> That the real experienced experts on audio matters are about 99% in
> agreement with Arny on the subject of audio, the constant derision and
> personal attacking strikes me as the worst kind of sour grapes. Even
> sadder is that it's not just Arny who get these attacks but anybody who
> hold the same rationalist views on audio. That's probably the reason RAO
> does not have the active participation of Dick Pierce, one of the true
> experts who posts to usenet.
>

Your idea of the '"subject of audio" and the subjectivists' idea of the
subject
of audio are completely different.

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 02:30 PM

> wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who believes
>>> anything
>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George Middius.
>>
>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>
> What has he ever said that was true, would be an easier question.
>

It seems that it is too difficult for you to face the truth.
The fact is, Arny made those claims, repeatedly, and
against many individuals.

I said the same thing that George did, that ARny made those claims.

Am I lying about that?

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Sander deWaal

January 29th 06, 04:43 PM

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>Here's a snippit of Glenn Z melting down (note that Scotty would never tell
>you about this)

>" **** YOU, you loathsome, psychotic, subhuman imbecile! You deserve every
>ounce of vitriole and hatred directed your way." "WAKE THE **** UP!!! "
>"Keep it up, ****-for-brains. " "Oh, and ... **** you, troll."

That sounds more like Phil Allison to me.

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Sander deWaal

January 29th 06, 04:48 PM

Jenn > said:

>Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
>posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.

At some time, there were 2 Scott W.'s present on RAO:
Scott Wheeler, who used the handle "S888Wheel".
AFAIK, he doesn't post here anymore.

The other Scott is Scott Wittevrongel, who is still posting here as
ScottW.

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Sander deWaal

January 29th 06, 04:55 PM

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the Usenet world.

Which is entirely possible.
One just needs to take things at face value every now and then.
(Which would make me a naive person as well. That's OK, at least I
know I am a naive person :-) )

Jenn seems sincere to me.

--

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George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 05:10 PM

Sander deWaal said:

> >Here's a snippit of Glenn Z melting down (note that Scotty would never tell
> >you about this)
>
> >" **** YOU, you loathsome, psychotic, subhuman imbecile! You deserve every
> >ounce of vitriole and hatred directed your way." "WAKE THE **** UP!!! "
> >"Keep it up, ****-for-brains. " "Oh, and ... **** you, troll."

> That sounds more like Phil Allison to me.

Ironically, Glenn would never say something like that to Phylliston. As
perverse as Phyllis is, he's not completely bonkers.

George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 05:10 PM

Sander deWaal said:

> Jenn seems sincere to me.

For the Krooglebeast, sincerity is the same as delusional.

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:17 PM

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 05:18 PM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>>Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the Usenet world.
>
>
> Which is entirely possible.
> One just needs to take things at face value every now and then.
> (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's OK, at least I
> know I am a naive person :-) )
>
> Jenn seems sincere to me.
>

"at least" Arny hasn't labeled her as a JA sockpuppet.....yet.

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Jenn

January 29th 06, 05:23 PM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Arny Krueger" > said:
> >
> >>Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the Usenet world.
> >
> >
> > Which is entirely possible.
> > One just needs to take things at face value every now and then.
> > (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's OK, at least I
> > know I am a naive person :-) )
> >
> > Jenn seems sincere to me.
> >
>
> "at least" Arny hasn't labeled her as a JA sockpuppet.....yet.

But he DID label me as a sockpuppet. He just didn't reveal whose sock
he believed me to be. LOL

Jenn

January 29th 06, 05:38 PM

In article et>,
> wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >> >> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
> >> >>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>>> In article
> >> >>>> >, "Arny
> >> >>>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> In article
> >> >>>>>> >, George
> >> >>>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> >> >>>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> Jenn said:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
> >> >>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >> >>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
> >> >>>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
> >> >>>>> who believes anything
> >> >>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
> >> >>>>> Middius.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
> >> >>> with pigs in the mud?
> >> >>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
> >> >>> pig.... well he likes it.
> >> >>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
> >> >>> mud.
> >> >>
> >> >> Starting?
> >> >>
> >> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> > You do understand that he is including you as part of the
> >> > mud, don't you?
> >>
> >> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
> >>
> >> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part of the mud!
> >>
> >>
> >> >> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for
> >> >> Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
> >>
> >> > Which I haven't done.
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone
> >> you
> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
> >
> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
> > lack of sensitivity.
>
> How's this for a lack of sensitivity from Middius:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/a1929e34566
> 214b9/6bbf681425543336?lnk=st&q=Nate++(Arny+OR+Krueger)+group%3Arec.audio.opin
> ion+author%3AGeorge+author%3AMiddius&rnum=32&hl=en#6bbf681425543336

In what way is what you posted above relevant to what Arny is posting to
me? Do both "sides" of this group hurl unfounded accusations at each
other? Yes, no doubt. Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is
that Arny started in on me for no reason, simply because we disagree on
the sound of LPs. That's fine; it's no skin of my nose and being a
grownup, I can take it. I just find it curious.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 05:43 PM

In article et>,
> wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> > In article
> >> > t>,
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>> In article >,
> >> >>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >> >>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Jenn said:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >> >>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >> >>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
> >> >>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >> >>
> >> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse
> >> >> than paranoid, you're just as deranged as he is.
> >> >
> >> > Did Arny say that he received child porn?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> > Did he actually receive it?
> >>
> >> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?
> >
> > You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
> >>
> >> >Did someone here send it to him?
> >>
>
> Impossible to say for sure, but why would someone lie about it.

If I posted your question in the above paragraph, Arny would no doubt
write something like, "Several reasons are possible: persecution
complex, playing the victim..."
>
> >> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone would admit to it
> >> in
> >> public.
> >
> > I was asking Nyob. If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why
> > did you accuse someone here of sending it to you?
>
> IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a pedophile, from a number
> of people, Middius included. A thing that reprehensible enough as it is on
> it own, would be impossible for anybody here to even have a clue at. It was
> a case of sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. <snip>

I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead to the other?
If Arny was accused of being a pedo without cause, that is wrong. So
the reaction then should be to accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
Sorry, I don't see the logic in that.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 05:53 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> .
>> >> >> >> ..
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call
>> >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> someone
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
>> >> >> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's
>> >> >> >> > showing
>> >> >> >> > your
>> >> >> >> > lack of sensitivity.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> except when its his ass being threatened.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his
>> >> >> > contacts
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > the police in Google.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> about Marc, aka Booniebug?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yeah.
>> >>
>> >> Marc's a nice guy, I met him a few times.
>> >> And Scott too, who I know even better. I ususally visit him when I'm
>> >> in
>> >> San
>> >> Diego.
>> >
>> > Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think
>> > he
>> > posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
>>
>> Actually, I mean Scott W
>
> I see; thanks, it's hard without a score card :-)
>
> One of the best record stores/audio stores in SoCal is in San Diego.

What store is that?

> I
> was raised in the county and my Dad is still there. Maybe Scott and I
> can lunch sometime.

Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts out....we
usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch... then
back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has no bass
slam.. stuff like that ;).

ScottW

Jenn

January 29th 06, 06:04 PM

In article <fi7Df.68247$0G.23679@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> .
> >> >> >> ..
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> om.
> >> >> >> >> ..
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call
> >> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> >> >> >> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's
> >> >> >> >> > showing
> >> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> >> > lack of sensitivity.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> except when its his ass being threatened.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his
> >> >> >> > contacts
> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> > the police in Google.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> about Marc, aka Booniebug?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yeah.
> >> >>
> >> >> Marc's a nice guy, I met him a few times.
> >> >> And Scott too, who I know even better. I ususally visit him when I'm
> >> >> in
> >> >> San
> >> >> Diego.
> >> >
> >> > Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think
> >> > he
> >> > posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
> >>
> >> Actually, I mean Scott W
> >
> > I see; thanks, it's hard without a score card :-)
> >
> > One of the best record stores/audio stores in SoCal is in San Diego.
>
> What store is that?

The one on Sports Arena...Stereo Unlimited, I think? Have been going
there for several years. A favorite routine in the late 80s was to go
there and pick up TAC, AS, SP, IAR, etc and go read on the beach or
Balboa Park then a play at the Old Globe. LOL Always good record
shopping there.

>
> > I
> > was raised in the county and my Dad is still there. Maybe Scott and I
> > can lunch sometime.
>
> Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts out....we
> usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch... then
> back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has no bass
> slam.. stuff like that ;).

LOL

That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up. He's
84 now, and looking forward to the sad day when I'll inherit the
wonderful house that I grew up in, I've started to look at the available
gigs in SD or Orange Counties.

ScottW

January 29th 06, 06:25 PM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> Jenn > said:
>
>>Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
>>posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
>
>
> At some time, there were 2 Scott W.'s present on RAO:
> Scott Wheeler, who used the handle "S888Wheel".
> AFAIK, he doesn't post here anymore.
>
> The other Scott is Scott Wittevrongel, who is still posting here as
> ScottW.

That be me. Hey Jenn, it occurred to me before I give you too strong
an impression about RAO being a ********... let me share some of my
extraordinary positive experiences from being here.

Marc (or Boon) who I used to argue with a lot volunteered to bring his vinyl
rig to my house from LA just so I could hear a decent vinyl rig. (This was
an offshoot of a Trotsky (who doesn't post here anymore) argument that my
Mitsu LT-30 was a jap POS but of course Trots never heard an LT-30. Anyway
that was awesome of Marc and we had a great day. We got together 2 or 3
times since....in a weird way... he's why I have Quads. I went to listen
to Spendors at Jeffssoundvalues with the crew (I think it was Art, Marc, Jim
Sanders (who went kind of nuts on an antiwar crusade and decided he can't
hang with conservatives.. oh well :) ) ,which happens to also sell Quads
(new and used) and eventually I ended up with a pair ESL 63s.

Then there's Trevor from down under's extraordinary kindness who I argue
with politically as well... but when my old Yamaha amp failed I asked if
anyone knew where I could get a schematic.. and he scanned and e-mailed me
the whole thing...even after my e-mail kept rejecting it for exceeding 10
meg limits he persevered until it got through.

Then Graham who is a Quad officianado who gave me numerous tips on getting
the best sound out of them... redoing the input caps and putting them on
short stands are 2 of his suggestions I implemented with great success.

And then Sander was extremely kind and generous to send me a pot so I could
add a passive attenuator to an Aracm CD player I got. Shipped it across the
Atlantic to me at his own expense trying to help me get the best sound I
could out of that player.

And Art loaned me a HK Citation 1 tube pre amp so I could experience tubes
but its too noisy and has an intermittent hum. I'm gonna try to fix it
someday with a power supply rework kit.... on my list of things to do....
just like I added building Orion speakers to my list of things I'd like to
do, can I retire now :)?

Anyway... I experience all these wonderful acts of kindness and generosity
just from hanging around this cesspool. There even used to be a big
luncheon at CES for all the folks from RAO who attended but I never made
that. Hard to believe, isn't it?

Hey Arny, anybody from RAO do anything nice for you... besides threaten
your life I mean?

ScottW

Sander deWaal

January 29th 06, 06:28 PM

"ScottW" > said:

> Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts out....we
>usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch... then
>back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has no bass
>slam.. stuff like that ;).

Art doesn't appreciate Quad sound? Or is it the room they're in? ;-)

--

- Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. -

ScottW

January 29th 06, 06:30 PM

ScottW

January 29th 06, 06:31 PM

> wrote in message
ink.net...
>

I knew this was gonna eventually go there.... I didn't think you'd be so
stupid as to be the one to take it there. Sheesh.

ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 07:07 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
>
> That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up.

I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close :).

ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 07:08 PM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > said:
>
>
>> Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts out....we
>>usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch... then
>>back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has no
>>bass
>>slam.. stuff like that ;).
>
>
> Art doesn't appreciate Quad sound? Or is it the room they're in? ;-)

He loves his Vandersteens. He always says he sees why people love quads
but he is a cone guy... I think it comes from being a bass player :).

ScottW

MINe 109

January 29th 06, 07:13 PM

In article >,
Sander deWaal > wrote:

> Jenn > said:
>
> >Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
> >posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
>
>
> At some time, there were 2 Scott W.'s present on RAO:
> Scott Wheeler, who used the handle "S888Wheel".
> AFAIK, he doesn't post here anymore.
>
> The other Scott is Scott Wittevrongel, who is still posting here as
> ScottW.

Wheeler is "porkygeorge" on RA-HE.

Stephen

Jenn

January 29th 06, 07:21 PM

In article <Un8Df.68643$0G.62401@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up.
>
> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close :).
>
> ScottW

Dude! :-)

I love the Quads, btw. Whenever I've heard them, I really like them.
back in the days when I was spending more money on my system, I had the
Martin-Logans, which I kinda thought of as "hint of Quads." Now it's
Vandersteens, which I like for now. But someday....

George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 07:30 PM

Scooter said:

> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close :).

A word of warning: In addition to run-on sentences, Scooter fantasizes
about enacting a requirement for DBTs to accompany or replace Normal
reviews of audio equipment in commercial magazines.

In other matters, Scottie professes to be a political "conservative".

January 29th 06, 07:37 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> > In article
>> >> > t>,
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>> In article >,
>> >> >>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>> >> >>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Jenn said:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>> >> >>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>> >> >>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>> >> >>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> And he calls others paranoid?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse
>> >> >> than paranoid, you're just as deranged as he is.
>> >> >
>> >> > Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >>
>> >> > Did he actually receive it?
>> >>
>> >> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?
>> >
>> > You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
>> >>
>> >> >Did someone here send it to him?
>> >>
>>
>> Impossible to say for sure, but why would someone lie about it.
>
> If I posted your question in the above paragraph, Arny would no doubt
> write something like, "Several reasons are possible: persecution
> complex, playing the victim..."
>>

Considering the fact that Derrida once sent me some gay porn, I don't
dispute the notion that someone would have done something similar to Arny.

>> >> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone would admit to
>> >> it
>> >> in
>> >> public.
>> >
>> > I was asking Nyob. If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why
>> > did you accuse someone here of sending it to you?
>>
>> IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a pedophile, from a
>> number
>> of people, Middius included. A thing that reprehensible enough as it is
>> on
>> it own, would be impossible for anybody here to even have a clue at. It
>> was
>> a case of sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. <snip>
>
> I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead to the other?
> If Arny was accused of being a pedo without cause, that is wrong. So
> the reaction then should be to accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
> Sorry, I don't see the logic in that.

There's not much logic in sending someone kiddieporn either, where else
eould you look for a suspect if you were he?

Jenn

January 29th 06, 07:37 PM

In article >,
MINe 109 > wrote:

> In article >,
> Sander deWaal > wrote:
>
> > Jenn > said:
> >
> > >Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
> > >posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
> >
> >
> > At some time, there were 2 Scott W.'s present on RAO:
> > Scott Wheeler, who used the handle "S888Wheel".
> > AFAIK, he doesn't post here anymore.
> >
> > The other Scott is Scott Wittevrongel, who is still posting here as
> > ScottW.
>
> Wheeler is "porkygeorge" on RA-HE.

Oh yeah! That's who sued Arny? Interesting.

January 29th 06, 07:43 PM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>>
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> nk.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse than paranoid,
>>>> you're just as deranged as he is.
>>>>
>>>
>>> mikey, then you are saying that Arny was correct when he made claims
>>> against about a dozen of his enemies, that they were trafficing i kidie
>>> porn.
>>>
>>>
>> For a supposedly smart guy, you are a complete moron at mind reading.
>> I said no such thing, I believe that it was as response to many people
>> saying he was a pedophile.
>>
>
> No, you have contradicted yourself. You have indicated that Middius
> lied when he accused Arnie of making false accusations.
> Therefore, you are saying that Arnie's accusations are true.
>
>
>> I'm the last person to say that Arny isn't confrontational, but he has
>> been harassed in ways that have nothing to with his views on audio for a
>> long, time.
>>
>
> As you can see from Arnie's on line behavior this
> week, he brought it upon himself back then, also.
>
>
>> There is no way to stop any of the bull**** that goes on here, it is a
>> free speech forum after all, but the way to win arguments is with a
>> better argument. The way to win a technical argument is with a better
>> technical one. When neither of those things are possible, the name
>> calling, and specious accusations begin.
>>
>
> This is an OPINION group, it is not about technical arguments.
> There are other groups specifically oriented towards technical issues.
> BTW, Arny has had his ass handed to him on a platter many times, when he
> does post over there.
>
You can not escape technical data about technology.
Audio is technology.
>
>
>> AFAIK nobody has bested Arny on technical grounds, and that makes some
>> people here despise him, since it disallows the fantasies that some many
>> seem to engage in with regard to audio.
>>
>
> AFAIK, you are dead wrong, he has often embarrased himself
> when arguing with real audio technicians.
>
Whom?
>
>> That the real experienced experts on audio matters are about 99% in
>> agreement with Arny on the subject of audio, the constant derision and
>> personal attacking strikes me as the worst kind of sour grapes. Even
>> sadder is that it's not just Arny who get these attacks but anybody who
>> hold the same rationalist views on audio. That's probably the reason RAO
>> does not have the active participation of Dick Pierce, one of the true
>> experts who posts to usenet.
>>
>
>
> Your idea of the '"subject of audio" and the subjectivists' idea of the
> subject
> of audio are completely different.
>
>
Yes. Those you call subjectivists are not willing to allow reality to creep
into their decison making process.

January 29th 06, 07:50 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> >> >> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
>> >> >>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >>> ...
>> >> >>>> In article
>> >> >>>> >, "Arny
>> >> >>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>> >> >>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> In article
>> >> >>>>>> >, George
>> >> >>>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
>> >> >>>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> Jenn said:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
>> >> >>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>> >> >>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>> >> >>>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
>> >> >>>>> who believes anything
>> >> >>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
>> >> >>>>> Middius.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
>> >> >>> with pigs in the mud?
>> >> >>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
>> >> >>> pig.... well he likes it.
>> >> >>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
>> >> >>> mud.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Starting?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> LOL!
>> >>
>> >> > You do understand that he is including you as part of the
>> >> > mud, don't you?
>> >>
>> >> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
>> >>
>> >> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part of the mud!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for
>> >> >> Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
>> >>
>> >> > Which I haven't done.
>> >>
>> >> LOL!
>> >>
>> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone
>> >> you
>> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
>> >
>> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
>> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
>> > lack of sensitivity.
>>
>> How's this for a lack of sensitivity from Middius:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/a1929e34566
>> 214b9/6bbf681425543336?lnk=st&q=Nate++(Arny+OR+Krueger)+group%3Arec.audio.opin
>> ion+author%3AGeorge+author%3AMiddius&rnum=32&hl=en#6bbf681425543336
>
> In what way is what you posted above relevant to what Arny is posting to
> me?

I don't know what Arny is posting about you that would cause you to be
upset. He has said you're naive, which is true.

Do both "sides" of this group hurl unfounded accusations at each
> other?

The way it usually works is that someone will make a silly statement like LP
is more accurate than CD, and then Arny will explain why that is completely
impossible, and then someonme from the usual suspects (like Middius) will
then say his wife does illicit acts in alleys for money.

Yes, no doubt. Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is
> that Arny started in on me for no reason, simply because we disagree on
> the sound of LPs.

It's not that you disagree on the sound of LP's, you said you like lower
distortion and noise and that LP's provide that, which is NOT POSSIBLE.

That's fine; it's no skin of my nose and being a
> grownup, I can take it. I just find it curious.

January 29th 06, 07:56 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
>
> Mickey, you're drooling. Do you want to be featured on the cover of
> American Spittlepig Monthly again?
>
>> What has he ever said that was true, would be an easier question.
>
> I've stated the obvious about you many times -- i.e. you're an idiot, a
> lowbrow, a Kroopologist, and a complete dork. All of those statements are
> patently true.
>
An opinion you get to have.
>
What is true is the statement that you are a liar and pig when ever it
pleases you to be, which is quite frequently. That you're vulgar beyond
belief, that your idea of satire is most people's idea of obscenity, is also
true. That without Arny, you'd have no life and no reason to exist is also
true.

That you're not smart enough to realize that you can't hound him off of RAO
is also true.

January 29th 06, 07:57 PM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who believes
>>>> anything
>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George Middius.
>>>
>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>>
>> What has he ever said that was true, would be an easier question.
>>
>
> It seems that it is too difficult for you to face the truth.
> The fact is, Arny made those claims, repeatedly, and
> against many individuals.
>
> I said the same thing that George did, that ARny made those claims.
>
> Am I lying about that?
>
>
Where did I deny that he made those accusations?

I only dispute the reason why he might have made them.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 08:25 PM

In article >,
George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
wrote:

> Scooter said:
>
> > I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close :).
>
> A word of warning: In addition to run-on sentences, Scooter fantasizes
> about enacting a requirement for DBTs to accompany or replace Normal
> reviews of audio equipment in commercial magazines.
>
> In other matters, Scottie professes to be a political "conservative".

Well, no one's perfect. You take the bad with the good. :-)

Jenn

January 29th 06, 08:30 PM

In article et>,
> wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article et>,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
> >> >> >>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> ...
> >> >> >>>> In article
> >> >> >>>> >, "Arny
> >> >> >>>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> om
> >> >> >>>>>> In article
> >> >> >>>>>> >, George
> >> >> >>>>>> M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> >> >> >>>>>> [dot] net> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>> Jenn said:
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >> >> >>>>>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
> >> >> >>>>>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone
> >> >> >>>>> who believes anything
> >> >> >>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
> >> >> >>>>> Middius.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about wrestling
> >> >> >>> with pigs in the mud?
> >> >> >>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
> >> >> >>> pig.... well he likes it.
> >> >> >>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
> >> >> >>> mud.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Starting?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> LOL!
> >> >>
> >> >> > You do understand that he is including you as part of the
> >> >> > mud, don't you?
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
> >> >>
> >> >> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part of the mud!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is for
> >> >> >> Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Which I haven't done.
> >> >>
> >> >> LOL!
> >> >>
> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call from someone
> >> >> you
> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
> >> >
> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my house
> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's showing your
> >> > lack of sensitivity.
> >>
> >> How's this for a lack of sensitivity from Middius:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/a1929e34
> >> 566
> >> 214b9/6bbf681425543336?lnk=st&q=Nate++(Arny+OR+Krueger)+group%3Arec.audio.o
> >> pin
> >> ion+author%3AGeorge+author%3AMiddius&rnum=32&hl=en#6bbf681425543336
> >
> > In what way is what you posted above relevant to what Arny is posting to
> > me?
>
> I don't know what Arny is posting about you that would cause you to be
> upset. He has said you're naive, which is true.

He has said much more than that. Feel free to read the actual posts.
>
> Do both "sides" of this group hurl unfounded accusations at each
> > other?
>
> The way it usually works is that someone will make a silly statement like LP
> is more accurate than CD,

In my time here, I've yet to read that from anyone.

> and then Arny will explain why that is completely
> impossible, and then someonme from the usual suspects (like Middius) will
> then say his wife does illicit acts in alleys for money.
>
>
>
> Yes, no doubt. Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is
> > that Arny started in on me for no reason, simply because we disagree on
> > the sound of LPs.
>
> It's not that you disagree on the sound of LP's, you said you like lower
> distortion and noise and that LP's provide that, which is NOT POSSIBLE.

Incorrect. Please provide a quote where I say that, or admit that
you're lying or can't read.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 08:33 PM

In article t>,
> wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article et>,
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article
> >> >> > t>,
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> .
> >> >> >> ..
> >> >> >>> In article >,
> >> >> >>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >> >> >>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Jenn said:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
> >> >> >>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
> >> >> >>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
> >> >> >>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse
> >> >> >> than paranoid, you're just as deranged as he is.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Did Arny say that he received child porn?
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Did he actually receive it?
> >> >>
> >> >> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?
> >> >
> >> > You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
> >> >>
> >> >> >Did someone here send it to him?
> >> >>
> >>
> >> Impossible to say for sure, but why would someone lie about it.
> >
> > If I posted your question in the above paragraph, Arny would no doubt
> > write something like, "Several reasons are possible: persecution
> > complex, playing the victim..."
> >>
>
> Considering the fact that Derrida once sent me some gay porn, I don't
> dispute the notion that someone would have done something similar to Arny.

What does that have to do with my paragraph just above yours?
>
> >> >> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone would admit to
> >> >> it
> >> >> in
> >> >> public.
> >> >
> >> > I was asking Nyob. If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why
> >> > did you accuse someone here of sending it to you?
> >>
> >> IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a pedophile, from a
> >> number
> >> of people, Middius included. A thing that reprehensible enough as it is
> >> on
> >> it own, would be impossible for anybody here to even have a clue at. It
> >> was
> >> a case of sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. <snip>
> >
> > I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead to the other?
> > If Arny was accused of being a pedo without cause, that is wrong. So
> > the reaction then should be to accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
> > Sorry, I don't see the logic in that.
>
>
> There's not much logic in sending someone kiddieporn either, where else
> eould you look for a suspect if you were he?

I don't know. I don't know where else he posts, etc. Actually, I don't
know that he received kiddie-porn.

Jenn

January 29th 06, 08:34 PM

In article <xM7Df.68423$0G.9250@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jenn > said:
> >
> >>Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
> >>posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
> >
> >
> > At some time, there were 2 Scott W.'s present on RAO:
> > Scott Wheeler, who used the handle "S888Wheel".
> > AFAIK, he doesn't post here anymore.
> >
> > The other Scott is Scott Wittevrongel, who is still posting here as
> > ScottW.
>
> That be me. Hey Jenn, it occurred to me before I give you too strong
> an impression about RAO being a ********... let me share some of my
> extraordinary positive experiences from being here.
>
> Marc (or Boon) who I used to argue with a lot volunteered to bring his vinyl
> rig to my house from LA just so I could hear a decent vinyl rig. (This was
> an offshoot of a Trotsky (who doesn't post here anymore) argument that my
> Mitsu LT-30 was a jap POS but of course Trots never heard an LT-30. Anyway
> that was awesome of Marc and we had a great day. We got together 2 or 3
> times since....in a weird way... he's why I have Quads. I went to listen
> to Spendors at Jeffssoundvalues with the crew (I think it was Art, Marc, Jim
> Sanders (who went kind of nuts on an antiwar crusade and decided he can't
> hang with conservatives.. oh well :) ) ,which happens to also sell Quads
> (new and used) and eventually I ended up with a pair ESL 63s.
>
> Then there's Trevor from down under's extraordinary kindness who I argue
> with politically as well... but when my old Yamaha amp failed I asked if
> anyone knew where I could get a schematic.. and he scanned and e-mailed me
> the whole thing...even after my e-mail kept rejecting it for exceeding 10
> meg limits he persevered until it got through.
>
> Then Graham who is a Quad officianado who gave me numerous tips on getting
> the best sound out of them... redoing the input caps and putting them on
> short stands are 2 of his suggestions I implemented with great success.
>
> And then Sander was extremely kind and generous to send me a pot so I could
> add a passive attenuator to an Aracm CD player I got. Shipped it across the
> Atlantic to me at his own expense trying to help me get the best sound I
> could out of that player.
>
> And Art loaned me a HK Citation 1 tube pre amp so I could experience tubes
> but its too noisy and has an intermittent hum. I'm gonna try to fix it
> someday with a power supply rework kit.... on my list of things to do....
> just like I added building Orion speakers to my list of things I'd like to
> do, can I retire now :)?
>
> Anyway... I experience all these wonderful acts of kindness and generosity
> just from hanging around this cesspool. There even used to be a big
> luncheon at CES for all the folks from RAO who attended but I never made
> that. Hard to believe, isn't it?

Great fun; thanks for that.

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 08:34 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "Arny Krueger" > said:
>> >
>> >>Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the Usenet world.
>> >
>> >
>> > Which is entirely possible.
>> > One just needs to take things at face value every now and then.
>> > (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's OK, at least I
>> > know I am a naive person :-) )
>> >
>> > Jenn seems sincere to me.
>> >
>>
>> "at least" Arny hasn't labeled her as a JA sockpuppet.....yet.
>
> But he DID label me as a sockpuppet. He just didn't reveal whose sock
> he believed me to be. LOL

Who pulls your strings when you are conducting?

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 08:35 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...

> In what way is what you posted above relevant to what Arny is posting to
> me? Do both "sides" of this group hurl unfounded accusations at each
> other? Yes, no doubt. Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is
> that Arny started in on me for no reason, simply because we disagree on
> the sound of LPs. That's fine; it's no skin of my nose and being a
> grownup, I can take it. I just find it curious.

I find it typical.

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Jenn

January 29th 06, 08:37 PM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > said:
> >> >
> >> >>Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the Usenet world.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Which is entirely possible.
> >> > One just needs to take things at face value every now and then.
> >> > (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's OK, at least I
> >> > know I am a naive person :-) )
> >> >
> >> > Jenn seems sincere to me.
> >> >
> >>
> >> "at least" Arny hasn't labeled her as a JA sockpuppet.....yet.
> >
> > But he DID label me as a sockpuppet. He just didn't reveal whose sock
> > he believed me to be. LOL
>
> Who pulls your strings when you are conducting?

Sarcastic answer: As Limbaugh would say, "Gawwwwd"

Actual answer: Whomever wrote the score! :-)

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 08:38 PM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:fi7Df.68247$0G.23679@dukeread10...
>
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > In article >,
>>> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> > In article >,
>>> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> ...
>>> >> >> > In article >,
>>> >> >> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> .
>>> >> >> >> ..
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone call
>>> >> >> >> >> from
>>> >> >> >> >> someone
>>> >> >> >> >> you
>>> >> >> >> >> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected life!
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my
>>> >> >> >> > house
>>> >> >> >> > uninvited. You should drop this line of questioning; it's
>>> >> >> >> > showing
>>> >> >> >> > your
>>> >> >> >> > lack of sensitivity.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> except when its his ass being threatened.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of his
>>> >> >> > contacts
>>> >> >> > with
>>> >> >> > the police in Google.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> about Marc, aka Booniebug?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Yeah.
>>> >>
>>> >> Marc's a nice guy, I met him a few times.
>>> >> And Scott too, who I know even better. I ususally visit him when I'm
>>> >> in
>>> >> San
>>> >> Diego.
>>> >
>>> > Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think
>>> > he
>>> > posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
>>>
>>> Actually, I mean Scott W
>>
>> I see; thanks, it's hard without a score card :-)
>>
>> One of the best record stores/audio stores in SoCal is in San Diego.
>
> What store is that?
>
>> I
>> was raised in the county and my Dad is still there. Maybe Scott and I
>> can lunch sometime.
>
> Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts out....we
> usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch... then
> back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has no
> bass slam.. stuff like that ;).
>

Its the Quads.
I understand why people like them.
I'm just a cone man. I like getting the beat.

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 08:41 PM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > said:
>
>
>> Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts out....we
>>usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch... then
>>back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has no
>>bass
>>slam.. stuff like that ;).
>
>
> Art doesn't appreciate Quad sound? Or is it the room they're in? ;-)
>

I certainly appreciate it, especially when listening to classical
music. It's just that I can't live with it on a day to day basis,
and miss the underlying beat when listening to blues and rock.

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George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 08:42 PM

Clyde Slick said:

> > But he DID label me as a sockpuppet. He just didn't reveal whose sock
> > he believed me to be. LOL

> Who pulls your strings when you are conducting?

Not me. I only sockpuppet at hardware stores, news conferences, and of
course Usenet.

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 08:44 PM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:jp8Df.68651$0G.66440@dukeread10...
>
> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "ScottW" > said:
>>
>>
>>> Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts
>>> out....we
>>>usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch... then
>>>back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has no
>>>bass
>>>slam.. stuff like that ;).
>>
>>
>> Art doesn't appreciate Quad sound? Or is it the room they're in? ;-)
>
> He loves his Vandersteens. He always says he sees why people love quads
> but he is a cone guy... I think it comes from being a bass player :).
>
> ScottW

You got it!
>

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 08:44 PM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Sander deWaal > wrote:
>
>> Jenn > said:
>>
>> >Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think he
>> >posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
>>
>>
>> At some time, there were 2 Scott W.'s present on RAO:
>> Scott Wheeler, who used the handle "S888Wheel".
>> AFAIK, he doesn't post here anymore.
>>
>> The other Scott is Scott Wittevrongel, who is still posting here as
>> ScottW.
>
> Wheeler is "porkygeorge" on RA-HE.
>

yeah, that's the name of his dog.

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Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 08:45 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article <Un8Df.68643$0G.62401@dukeread10>,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up.
>>
>> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close :).
>>
>> ScottW
>
> Dude! :-)
>
> I love the Quads, btw. Whenever I've heard them, I really like them.
> back in the days when I was spending more money on my system, I had the
> Martin-Logans, which I kinda thought of as "hint of Quads." Now it's
> Vandersteens, which I like for now. But someday....

Which ones?

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January 29th 06, 08:46 PM

> wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article et>,
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > In article >,
>>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >>
>>> >> > In article
>>> >> > t>,
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> ...
>>> >> >>> In article >,
>>> >> >>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>> >> >>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> Jenn said:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that emailed
>>> >> >>>>>> you kiddie pron, can you balme her?!?!?!
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any kiddie
>>> >> >>>>> porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another one
>>> >> >>>> of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If you believe a waord that Middius says, you're worse
>>> >> >> than paranoid, you're just as deranged as he is.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Did Arny say that he received child porn?
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Did he actually receive it?
>>> >>
>>> >> How would *anybody* else know for sure if I did or not?
>>> >
>>> > You mean no one asked you for "proof"?
>>> >>
>>> >> >Did someone here send it to him?
>>> >>
>>>
>>> Impossible to say for sure, but why would someone lie about it.
>>
>> If I posted your question in the above paragraph, Arny would no doubt
>> write something like, "Several reasons are possible: persecution
>> complex, playing the victim..."
>>>
>
> Considering the fact that Derrida once sent me some gay porn, I don't
> dispute the notion that someone would have done something similar to Arny.
>
>>> >> Jenn, you're worse than naive if you think that someone would admit
>>> >> to it
>>> >> in
>>> >> public.
>>> >
>>> > I was asking Nyob. If it is not known who sent the alleged porn, why
>>> > did you accuse someone here of sending it to you?
>>>
>>> IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a pedophile, from a
>>> number
>>> of people, Middius included. A thing that reprehensible enough as it is
>>> on
>>> it own, would be impossible for anybody here to even have a clue at. It
>>> was
>>> a case of sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. <snip>
>>
>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead to the other?
>> If Arny was accused of being a pedo without cause, that is wrong. So
>> the reaction then should be to accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>> Sorry, I don't see the logic in that.
>
>
> There's not much logic in sending someone kiddieporn either, where else
> eould you look for a suspect if you were he?

he also accused about ten other people.

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Jenn

January 29th 06, 08:49 PM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <Un8Df.68643$0G.62401@dukeread10>,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up.
> >>
> >> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close :).
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > Dude! :-)
> >
> > I love the Quads, btw. Whenever I've heard them, I really like them.
> > back in the days when I was spending more money on my system, I had the
> > Martin-Logans, which I kinda thought of as "hint of Quads." Now it's
> > Vandersteens, which I like for now. But someday....
>
> Which ones?

63s, 988s and 989s. Love all three

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 08:49 PM

> wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> nk.net...
>>>
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> In article >,
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie - someone who believes
>>>>> anything
>>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George Middius.
>>>>
>>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is false?
>>>
>>> What has he ever said that was true, would be an easier question.
>>>
>>
>> It seems that it is too difficult for you to face the truth.
>> The fact is, Arny made those claims, repeatedly, and
>> against many individuals.
>>
>> I said the same thing that George did, that ARny made those claims.
>>
>> Am I lying about that?
>>
>>
> Where did I deny that he made those accusations?
>
> I only dispute the reason why he might have made them.

Oh, then you tacitly admit that George was telling the truth.

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ScottW

January 29th 06, 09:00 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article <Un8Df.68643$0G.62401@dukeread10>,
>> > "ScottW" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up.
>> >>
>> >> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close
>> >> :).
>> >>
>> >> ScottW
>> >
>> > Dude! :-)
>> >
>> > I love the Quads, btw. Whenever I've heard them, I really like them.
>> > back in the days when I was spending more money on my system, I had the
>> > Martin-Logans, which I kinda thought of as "hint of Quads." Now it's
>> > Vandersteens, which I like for now. But someday....
>>
>> Which ones?
>
> 63s, 988s and 989s. Love all three

He meant the Vandersteens :)

ScottW

Jenn

January 29th 06, 09:01 PM

In article <Q1aDf.69861$0G.25062@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article <Un8Df.68643$0G.62401@dukeread10>,
> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close
> >> >> :).
> >> >>
> >> >> ScottW
> >> >
> >> > Dude! :-)
> >> >
> >> > I love the Quads, btw. Whenever I've heard them, I really like them.
> >> > back in the days when I was spending more money on my system, I had the
> >> > Martin-Logans, which I kinda thought of as "hint of Quads." Now it's
> >> > Vandersteens, which I like for now. But someday....
> >>
> >> Which ones?
> >
> > 63s, 988s and 989s. Love all three
>
> He meant the Vandersteens :)
>
> ScottW

Oh, oops! LOL I have the little 1Cs

ScottW

January 29th 06, 09:03 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Scooter said:
>
>> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close :).
>
> A word of warning: In addition to run-on sentences,

Oh the shame...

> Scooter fantasizes
> about enacting a requirement for DBTs to accompany or replace Normal
> reviews of audio equipment in commercial magazines.

Not replace... a supplement to add a little credibility to those run-on
sentences those writers are prone to.

>
> In other matters, Scottie professes to be a political "conservative".

Leave the political out of it... kind of destroys the meaning of
conservative today.

ScottW

ScottW

January 29th 06, 09:07 PM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> Sander deWaal > wrote:
>>
>>> Jenn > said:
>>>
>>> >Is Scott the same Scott who sometimes posts here now; in fact I think
>>> >he
>>> >posted here earlier tonight? Not ScottW, I know.
>>>
>>>
>>> At some time, there were 2 Scott W.'s present on RAO:
>>> Scott Wheeler, who used the handle "S888Wheel".
>>> AFAIK, he doesn't post here anymore.
>>>
>>> The other Scott is Scott Wittevrongel, who is still posting here as
>>> ScottW.
>>
>> Wheeler is "porkygeorge" on RA-HE.
>>
>
>
> yeah, that's the name of his dog.

One amorous beast that porky George, don't stand still in his presence.
:)

ScottW

Ruud Broens

January 29th 06, 09:45 PM

"Arny & Arny Krueger" wrote

: >> Scotty, what's your count of the number of times that
: >> Marc made threats on my life on RAO, Scott?

: >> BTW, Scotty I didn't say serious or credible, I simply
: >> said "threats on my life".
:
: Note that both Scotty and Jenn lack the character it would take to give a
: straight answer to the question above. Instead theytries to twist it into a
: justification for antisocial behavior.
:

Sorry to inform you, it's your Kroologic working overtime,
again,
Arny,

the reason why you won't get an answer there has nothing to do
with ~having character~
it's simply nobody gives a **** :-)

: > Paranoid?
:
it is my belief that you are rather unqualified to assess qualities
in others. it is your belief that you _are_ qualified.

let's have a rao vote on these beliefs :-)

: LOL!
:
: LOL!: LOL!: LOL!: LOL!
:
Rudy

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 09:59 PM

MINe 109

January 29th 06, 10:03 PM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:jp8Df.68651$0G.66440@dukeread10...
> >
> > "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "ScottW" > said:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts
> >>> out....we
> >>>usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch... then
> >>>back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has no
> >>>bass
> >>>slam.. stuff like that ;).
> >>
> >>
> >> Art doesn't appreciate Quad sound? Or is it the room they're in? ;-)
> >
> > He loves his Vandersteens. He always says he sees why people love quads
> > but he is a cone guy... I think it comes from being a bass player :).

> You got it!

Speakers with socks instead of cabinets?

Stephen

Sander deWaal

January 29th 06, 10:05 PM

"Ruud Broens" > believes:

>: > Paranoid?

>it is my belief that you are rather unqualified to assess qualities
>in others. it is your belief that you _are_ qualified.

An assessment on paranoia made by a paranoid person is a bit like a
liar saying that he was lying when he said he lied.

There are lies, damn lies, and ABX ;-)

--

- Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. -

Ruud Broens

January 29th 06, 10:51 PM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
: "Ruud Broens" > believes:
:
:
: >: > Paranoid?
:
:
: >it is my belief that you are rather unqualified to assess qualities
: >in others. it is your belief that you _are_ qualified.
:
:
: An assessment on paranoia made by a paranoid person is a bit like a
: liar saying that he was lying when he said he lied.
:
: There are lies, damn lies, and ABX ;-)
:
: --
:
: - Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with
experience. -

ok, Hollande: deux votes

next ?

Clyde Slick

January 29th 06, 11:27 PM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:jp8Df.68651$0G.66440@dukeread10...
>> >
>> > "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> "ScottW" > said:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sure... or it'd be great if you happen to be visiting when Arts
>> >>> out....we
>> >>>usually go out and hit a record store or an audio shop, do lunch...
>> >>>then
>> >>>back to my place to listen to music so Art can tell me my system has
>> >>>no
>> >>>bass
>> >>>slam.. stuff like that ;).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Art doesn't appreciate Quad sound? Or is it the room they're in? ;-)
>> >
>> > He loves his Vandersteens. He always says he sees why people love
>> > quads
>> > but he is a cone guy... I think it comes from being a bass player :).
>
>> You got it!
>
> Speakers with socks instead of cabinets?

Just socks, no puppets!

there are variable sized cabinets, just not finished
the grill cover, or sock, is on a frame.

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George M. Middius

January 29th 06, 11:41 PM

Clyde Slick said:

> > Speakers with socks instead of cabinets?

> Just socks, no puppets!

It would be funny to put Krooger in a room with Vandys and make him
listen. D'ya think he'd attack them with his soldering iron or just curl
up into a ball on the floor?

Ruud Broens

January 29th 06, 11:46 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
: In article <Q1aDf.69861$0G.25062@dukeread10>,
: "ScottW" > wrote:
:
: > "Jenn" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > > In article >,
: > > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
: > >
: > >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
: > >> ...
: > >> > In article <Un8Df.68643$0G.62401@dukeread10>,
: > >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
: > >> >
: > >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
: > >> >> ...
: > >> >> >
: > >> >> > That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up.
: > >> >>
: > >> >> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close
: > >> >> :).
: > >> >>
: > >> >> ScottW
: > >> >
: > >> > Dude! :-)
: > >> >
: > >> > I love the Quads, btw. Whenever I've heard them, I really like them.
: > >> > back in the days when I was spending more money on my system, I had the
: > >> > Martin-Logans, which I kinda thought of as "hint of Quads." Now it's
: > >> > Vandersteens, which I like for now. But someday....
: > >>
: > >> Which ones?
: > >
: > > 63s, 988s and 989s. Love all three
: >
: > He meant the Vandersteens :)
: >
: > ScottW
:
: Oh, oops! LOL I have the little 1Cs
.................................................. ..........................
to get back at that header:
tell me, Mike, do you think a thread sequence like the above
dozen or so could _ever_ take place, when mr. Krueger were
one of the posters there ?

checkin yer facts
Rudy

Jenn

January 30th 06, 01:11 AM

In article >,
"Clyde Slick" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article <Un8Df.68643$0G.62401@dukeread10>,
> >> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That would be great fun. My Dad lives in Vista, where I grew up.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm in the county right between Vista and San Marcos so very close
> >> >> :).
> >> >>
> >> >> ScottW
> >> >
> >> > Dude! :-)
> >> >
> >> > I love the Quads, btw. Whenever I've heard them, I really like them.
> >> > back in the days when I was spending more money on my system, I had the
> >> > Martin-Logans, which I kinda thought of as "hint of Quads." Now it's
> >> > Vandersteens, which I like for now. But someday....
> >>
> >> Which ones?
> >
> > 63s, 988s and 989s. Love all three
>
> no, sorry, which Vandersteens?

The entry level little dudes, the 1Cs

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 02:30 AM

> wrote in message
ink.net

> IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a
> pedophile, from a number of people, Middius included.

Actually I had been accused of being a pedophile long before Middius posted
here the first time. I believe the first to do this was a certain Derrida.

> Then for a capper you might want to see Middius reaction
> to the Arny's post regarding the death of his son Nate.

The pornographic email had text that tried to leverage it on the death of my
son.

And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to leverage the death of my
son against me, as Scotty is doing right now.

> There are few people who I truly think are beyond help or
> who occaisonally deserve a break, Middius is one. He's
> apig, he started out here as a pig and has never let up.

> Interesting that he turned up almost immediately after
> another ant-Arny whacko disappeared, one calling himself
> Allen, Alan, etc. Derrida, who would post long winded
> screeds on a nearly daily basis.

Derrida posted literally hundreds of lines a day denouncing me.

> The normal bickering and anti ABX rants from other
> sources are bad enough and make this place legendary for
> it's nastiness, but Middius and Derrida before him set
> new levels of trash.

Be careful what you say Mike. I'm sure that Jenn is licking her lips over
all of this.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 02:34 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

>
> I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead
> to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo without
> cause, that is wrong.

Dooh!

> So the reaction then should be to
> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?

I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my son, as Middius, Weil
and Scotty have on numerous occasions, to be normal even laudable behavior.
The fact that I've reacted angrily is just another example of my flawed
character, right?

You've already tacitly approved death threats, so why should I be surprised
that you've taken the next step?

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 02:37 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> I don't know. I don't know where else he posts, etc.
> Actually, I don't know that he received kiddie-porn.

Well Jenn, that was part of the trick. Even though it looked like kiddie
porn, it was probably actually pictures of adults. I only learned that
several years later.

Believe it or not Jenn, the pornographic email and the text that tied it in
with the then-recent death of my son upset me, and upsets me to this day.
I'm sure that you're getting your jollies dragging this out as long as you
have, and no doubt you'll keep this up as long as you can.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 02:40 AM

"John Atkinson" > wrote
in message
oups.com

> For the record, I never made any such accusation against
> Arny Krueger, nor would I. Yet you should note that without a
> scrap of evidence, he accused me of sending him the purported emails.

Not a scrap of evidence? LOL!

> He then refused to withdraw the accusation on the grounds
> that it was up to me to
> prove that I hadn't, that if I couldn't it was reasonable
> to assume that I had.

At this point you've told so many hateful lies about me John, that
plus/minus one would hardly make a difference.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 02:41 AM

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>> Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the
>> Usenet world.
>
>
> Which is entirely possible.
> One just needs to take things at face value every now and
> then. (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's
> OK, at least I know I am a naive person :-) )
>
> Jenn seems sincere to me.

Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this matter related to the
death of my son out as long as she can.

I figure this will still be going on 5 days from now.

ScottW

January 30th 06, 02:43 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to leverage the death of
> my son against me, as Scotty is doing right now.

BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch. I have expressed disdain for
the subject when it does come up and I find your willingness to use it to
score points here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have nothing but
pity for you in this.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 02:43 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >, "Arny
>>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>>>>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>>>>>>>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jenn said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her?!?!?!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any
>>>>>>>>>>>> kiddie porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another
>>>>>>>>>>> one of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie -
>>>>>>>>> someone who believes anything
>>>>>>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
>>>>>>>>> Middius.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is
>>>>>>>> false?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about
>>>>>>> wrestling with pigs in the mud?
>>>>>>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
>>>>>>> pig.... well he likes it.
>>>>>>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
>>>>>>> mud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>>> You do understand that he is including you as part of
>>>>> the mud, don't you?
>>>>
>>>> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part
>>>> of the mud!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is
>>>>>> for Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
>>>>
>>>>> Which I haven't done.
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone
>>>> call from someone you don't feel comfortable with. Talk
>>>> about a protected life!
>>
>>> Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my
>>> house uninvited.
>>
>> So then what happened?
>>
>> Let me guess - not a heck of a lot.
>
> I didn't open the door, and I called the landlords and
> they cam up and read him the riot act. I had to change
> my phone number.

No, Jenn you didn't have to change your phone number. You panicked, pure and
simple.

Like I said not a heck of a lot actually happened.

So Jenn did this guy, like me lose a son and have you drag the matter out on
Usenet for as many days as you could?

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 02:44 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone
>>>> call from someone you
>>>> don't feel comfortable with. Talk about a protected
>>>> life!
>>>
>>> Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at
>>> my house uninvited. You should drop this line of
>>> questioning; it's showing your lack of sensitivity.
>>
>> except when its his ass being threatened.
>
> Evidently. I'm in the middle of reading about some of
> his contacts with the police in Google.

Such as what, Jenn?

Jenn

January 30th 06, 02:45 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > said:
> >
> >> Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the
> >> Usenet world.
> >
> >
> > Which is entirely possible.
> > One just needs to take things at face value every now and
> > then. (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's
> > OK, at least I know I am a naive person :-) )
> >
> > Jenn seems sincere to me.
>
> Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this matter related to the
> death of my son out as long as she can.
>
> I figure this will still be going on 5 days from now.

WTF????? I didn't even know you ever had a son, Arny. What the hell
are you talking about??

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 02:47 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In what way is what you posted above relevant to what
> Arny is posting to me? Do both "sides" of this group
> hurl unfounded accusations at each other? Yes, no doubt.
> Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is that Arny
> started in on me for no reason, simply because we
> disagree on the sound of LPs.

Jenn trots out her persecution complex again.

I showed that she jumped into the current thread, but she's in denial as
usual.

> That's fine; it's no skin of my nose and being a grownup, I can take it.
> I just
> find it curious.

I find it curious that you think you can tell so many lies and get away with
it, Jenn.

Jenn

January 30th 06, 02:49 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
> > I don't know. I don't know where else he posts, etc.
> > Actually, I don't know that he received kiddie-porn.
>
> Well Jenn, that was part of the trick. Even though it looked like kiddie
> porn, it was probably actually pictures of adults. I only learned that
> several years later.
>
> Believe it or not Jenn, the pornographic email and the text that tied it in
> with the then-recent death of my son upset me, and upsets me to this day.
> I'm sure that you're getting your jollies dragging this out as long as you
> have, and no doubt you'll keep this up as long as you can.

Arny, read carefully:
1. YOU started the negative talk between us, so I'm simply clearing the
air that YOU farted into and fouled.
2. I said that I don't know if you received kiddie-porn to turn the
tables on you. You've asked me to prove things here that are unprovable
online, so I'm just returning the favor, in hope that you'll learn
something.
3. Until fewer than 5 min ago when I read your other post, I had no
idea that you ever had a son. I'm sorry for your loss, don't don't lay
your baggage off on me.

ScottW

January 30th 06, 02:49 AM

Jenn

January 30th 06, 02:50 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> >
> > I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead
> > to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo without
> > cause, that is wrong.
>
> Dooh!
>
> > So the reaction then should be to
> > accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>
> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my son, as Middius, Weil
> and Scotty have on numerous occasions, to be normal even laudable behavior.
> The fact that I've reacted angrily is just another example of my flawed
> character, right?
>
> You've already tacitly approved death threats, so why should I be surprised
> that you've taken the next step?

You've truly lost it, Arny. This is sad to watch.

Jenn

January 30th 06, 02:50 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ink.net
>
> > IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a
> > pedophile, from a number of people, Middius included.
>
> Actually I had been accused of being a pedophile long before Middius posted
> here the first time. I believe the first to do this was a certain Derrida.
>
> > Then for a capper you might want to see Middius reaction
> > to the Arny's post regarding the death of his son Nate.
>
> The pornographic email had text that tried to leverage it on the death of my
> son.
>
> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to leverage the death of my
> son against me, as Scotty is doing right now.
>
> > There are few people who I truly think are beyond help or
> > who occaisonally deserve a break, Middius is one. He's
> > apig, he started out here as a pig and has never let up.
>
> > Interesting that he turned up almost immediately after
> > another ant-Arny whacko disappeared, one calling himself
> > Allen, Alan, etc. Derrida, who would post long winded
> > screeds on a nearly daily basis.
>
> Derrida posted literally hundreds of lines a day denouncing me.
>
> > The normal bickering and anti ABX rants from other
> > sources are bad enough and make this place legendary for
> > it's nastiness, but Middius and Derrida before him set
> > new levels of trash.
>
> Be careful what you say Mike. I'm sure that Jenn is licking her lips over
> all of this.

Up yours.

Jenn

January 30th 06, 02:52 AM

In article <g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >
> >>
> >> I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead
> >> to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo without
> >> cause, that is wrong.
> >
> > Dooh!
> >
> >> So the reaction then should be to
> >> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
> >
> > I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my son, as Middius,
> > Weil and Scotty have on numerous occasions,
>
> Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post from me proving your
> accusation.
> Its a topic I've never engaged and only expressed disdain for those who do.
>
> ScottW

And now he's doing the same with me. I didn't even know that he had a
son, so of course I've said nothing about his death, and yet he carries
on. This is sad.

ScottW

January 30th 06, 02:53 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>>
>> > "Arny Krueger" > said:
>> >
>> >> Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the
>> >> Usenet world.
>> >
>> >
>> > Which is entirely possible.
>> > One just needs to take things at face value every now and
>> > then. (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's
>> > OK, at least I know I am a naive person :-) )
>> >
>> > Jenn seems sincere to me.
>>
>> Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this matter related to the
>> death of my son out as long as she can.
>>
>> I figure this will still be going on 5 days from now.
>
> WTF????? I didn't even know you ever had a son, Arny. What the hell
> are you talking about??

Witness Arny's particular insanity in all its glory. Thanks Mike for
bringing out this latest episode.
What can I say... but I warned you this wouldn't go anywhere nice.
It will be awhile before Arny acts at all rational.

ScottW

Jenn

January 30th 06, 02:53 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
> > In what way is what you posted above relevant to what
> > Arny is posting to me? Do both "sides" of this group
> > hurl unfounded accusations at each other? Yes, no doubt.
> > Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is that Arny
> > started in on me for no reason, simply because we
> > disagree on the sound of LPs.
>
> Jenn trots out her persecution complex again.
>
> I showed that she jumped into the current thread, but she's in denial as
> usual.
>
> > That's fine; it's no skin of my nose and being a grownup, I can take it.
> > I just
> > find it curious.
>
> I find it curious that you think you can tell so many lies and get away with
> it, Jenn.

Go ahead Arny, quote ONE lie that I told.

Jenn

January 30th 06, 02:54 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> >, "Arny
> >>>>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:8hVCf.62720$0G.61605@dukeread10
> >>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>> ..
> >>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>> >,
> >>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>> >,
> >>>>>>>>>> George M. Middius <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
> >>>>>>>>>> comcast [dot] net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jenn said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee! Considereing the dozens of people that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> emailed you kiddie pron, can you balme
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> her?!?!?!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just for the record, I never sent Arny any
> >>>>>>>>>>>> kiddie porn. Do we know if ANYONE actually did?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Nobody sent any porn to Krooger. This is another
> >>>>>>>>>>> one of the Beast's imaginary conspiracies.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And he calls others paranoid?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A well-known definition of a Usenet newbie -
> >>>>>>>>> someone who believes anything
> >>>>>>>>> that was posted by the sockpuppet known as George
> >>>>>>>>> Middius.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What that he said about the kiddie-porn issue is
> >>>>>>>> false?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> OMFG.... didn't anyone ever tell you about
> >>>>>>> wrestling with pigs in the mud?
> >>>>>>> You're just gonna get covered with mud... and the
> >>>>>>> pig.... well he likes it.
> >>>>>>> You're starting to show a serious attraction for the
> >>>>>>> mud.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Starting?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>
> >>>>> You do understand that he is including you as part of
> >>>>> the mud, don't you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you really this naive, Jenn?
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that Scotty is including me as a major part
> >>>> of the mud!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> See all of my former comments about how bogus it is
> >>>>>> for Jenn to cast herself as a victim.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Which I haven't done.
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL!
> >>>>
> >>>> Jenn, your idea of being a victim is getting a phone
> >>>> call from someone you don't feel comfortable with. Talk
> >>>> about a protected life!
> >>
> >>> Arny, he made threats to me online, then showed up at my
> >>> house uninvited.
> >>
> >> So then what happened?
> >>
> >> Let me guess - not a heck of a lot.
> >
> > I didn't open the door, and I called the landlords and
> > they cam up and read him the riot act. I had to change
> > my phone number.
>
> No, Jenn you didn't have to change your phone number. You panicked, pure and
> simple.
>
> Like I said not a heck of a lot actually happened.
>
> So Jenn did this guy, like me lose a son and have you drag the matter out on
> Usenet for as many days as you could?

Again, I did not know that you ever had a son until tonight. Back off,
troll.

ScottW

January 30th 06, 02:55 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >
> So Jenn did this guy, like me lose a son and have you drag the matter out
> on Usenet for as many days as you could?

Get real.. for the record Mike's the one that brought it up and you're the
one repeating it all over. We're sorry for your loss and doubly sorry that
you're too sick to see what a disgrace it is you're doing right now.

ScottW

Jenn

January 30th 06, 02:56 AM

In article <EcfDf.73803$0G.10296@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > said:
> >> >
> >> >> Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the
> >> >> Usenet world.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Which is entirely possible.
> >> > One just needs to take things at face value every now and
> >> > then. (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's
> >> > OK, at least I know I am a naive person :-) )
> >> >
> >> > Jenn seems sincere to me.
> >>
> >> Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this matter related to the
> >> death of my son out as long as she can.
> >>
> >> I figure this will still be going on 5 days from now.
> >
> > WTF????? I didn't even know you ever had a son, Arny. What the hell
> > are you talking about??
>
> Witness Arny's particular insanity in all its glory. Thanks Mike for
> bringing out this latest episode.
> What can I say... but I warned you this wouldn't go anywhere nice.
> It will be awhile before Arny acts at all rational.
>
> ScottW

Understood, but perhaps it's good that I've seen this. I have a better
idea now of who we are dealing with.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:00 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one
>>> lead to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo
>>> without cause, that is wrong.
>>
>> Dooh!
>>
>>> So the reaction then should be to
>>> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>>
>> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my
>> son, as Middius, Weil and Scotty have on numerous
>> occasions,
>
> Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post
> from me proving your accusation.

Good example is how you picked up the ball from Art in the past few days.

Scott, you remind me of the articles about "Pious Pornographers" from
Playboy in the 60s.

It's an old schtick - you just repeat the details of the event again and
again and say over and over again how bad it was. In the process you throw
more than a few bricks at me.

> Its a topic I've never engaged and only expressed disdain
> for those who do.

Scott, you and Jenn seem to be doing a nice job of exploiting it for the
purpose of attacking my character.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:01 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> And now he's doing the same with me. I didn't even know
> that he had a son, so of course I've said nothing about
> his death, and yet he carries on. This is sad.

Like I said Jenn, you'll sieze any pretext to go over the details of this
and put me down.

Keep it up!

ScottW

January 30th 06, 03:03 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article <g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10>,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead
>> >> to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo without
>> >> cause, that is wrong.
>> >
>> > Dooh!
>> >
>> >> So the reaction then should be to
>> >> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>> >
>> > I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my son, as Middius,
>> > Weil and Scotty have on numerous occasions,
>>
>> Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post from me proving
>> your
>> accusation.
>> Its a topic I've never engaged and only expressed disdain for those who
>> do.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> And now he's doing the same with me. I didn't even know that he had a
> son, so of course I've said nothing about his death, and yet he carries
> on. This is sad.

I know... I knew your line of inquiry would get to this but I didn't expect
McKelvy (nyob) who is an Arny supporter would be so stupid as to be the one
to bring it up.
Obviously the subject is painful for Arny and inevitably evokes this
terrible irrational response. I think you'll just have to quit engaging
with him until he can get a grip. Its really sad and I have nothing but
pity for him in this but until he calms down... all we can do is drop it.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:03 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
>> doing right now.
>
> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.

Except every chance you get, like right now.

> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does come up
> and I find your willingness to use it to score points
> here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
> nothing but pity for you in this.

See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for objectioning to the
zillionth discussion of horrible events related to the death of my son!

How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag this out this time,
Scott?

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:03 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ink.net
>>
>>> IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a
>>> pedophile, from a number of people, Middius included.
>>
>> Actually I had been accused of being a pedophile long
>> before Middius posted here the first time. I believe the
>> first to do this was a certain Derrida.
>>
>>> Then for a capper you might want to see Middius reaction
>>> to the Arny's post regarding the death of his son Nate.
>>
>> The pornographic email had text that tried to leverage
>> it on the death of my son.
>>
>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
>> doing right now.
>>
>>> There are few people who I truly think are beyond help
>>> or who occaisonally deserve a break, Middius is one.
>>> He's apig, he started out here as a pig and has never
>>> let up.
>>
>>> Interesting that he turned up almost immediately after
>>> another ant-Arny whacko disappeared, one calling himself
>>> Allen, Alan, etc. Derrida, who would post long winded
>>> screeds on a nearly daily basis.
>>
>> Derrida posted literally hundreds of lines a day
>> denouncing me.
>>
>>> The normal bickering and anti ABX rants from other
>>> sources are bad enough and make this place legendary for
>>> it's nastiness, but Middius and Derrida before him set
>>> new levels of trash.
>>
>> Be careful what you say Mike. I'm sure that Jenn is
>> licking her lips over all of this.
>
> Up yours.

Well Jenn, you've dragged this one over a day, are you going for two, now?

Jenn

January 30th 06, 03:04 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
> > And now he's doing the same with me. I didn't even know
> > that he had a son, so of course I've said nothing about
> > his death, and yet he carries on. This is sad.
>
> Like I said Jenn, you'll sieze any pretext to go over the details of this
> and put me down.
>
> Keep it up!

When have I ever mentioned it, Arny? I'm confident in asking, because I
didn't even know about it until this evening.

ScottW

January 30th 06, 03:05 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
>>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
>>> doing right now.
>>
>> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.
>
> Except every chance you get, like right now.
>
>> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does come up
>> and I find your willingness to use it to score points
>> here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
>> nothing but pity for you in this.
>
> See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for objectioning to
> the zillionth discussion of horrible events related to the death of my
> son!

Then go bitch at Mike... he's the one that brought it up... and if you had
half a clue you'd see that my first response was chastizing him for doing
so.
>
> How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag this out this time,
> Scott?

Look at yourself and what you're doing. I'm not going there.

ScottW

Jenn

January 30th 06, 03:07 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one
> >>> lead to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo
> >>> without cause, that is wrong.
> >>
> >> Dooh!
> >>
> >>> So the reaction then should be to
> >>> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
> >>
> >> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my
> >> son, as Middius, Weil and Scotty have on numerous
> >> occasions,
> >
> > Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post
> > from me proving your accusation.
>
> Good example is how you picked up the ball from Art in the past few days.
>
> Scott, you remind me of the articles about "Pious Pornographers" from
> Playboy in the 60s.
>
> It's an old schtick - you just repeat the details of the event again and
> again and say over and over again how bad it was. In the process you throw
> more than a few bricks at me.
>
> > Its a topic I've never engaged and only expressed disdain
> > for those who do.
>
> Scott, you and Jenn seem to be doing a nice job of exploiting it for the
> purpose of attacking my character.

Arny, I'm going to say this once: I lost a close sibling when she was
40 and I was 28. I know from up close what that does to a parent. My
parents were never the same. Burying a child is just about the worst
thing that can happen to a person, IMO. I know. So I would NEVER take
advantage of such a thing. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT. Please take a
breath and calm down.

George M. Middius

January 30th 06, 03:08 AM

Jenn said:

> > You've already tacitly approved death threats, so why should I be surprised
> > that you've taken the next step?

> You've truly lost it, Arny. This is sad to watch.

Actually, this is par for the Kroo-course. He has this kind of meltdown
three or four times a year on RAO.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:09 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> I don't know. I don't know where else he posts, etc.
>>> Actually, I don't know that he received kiddie-porn.
>>
>> Well Jenn, that was part of the trick. Even though it
>> looked like kiddie porn, it was probably actually
>> pictures of adults. I only learned that several years
>> later.
>>
>> Believe it or not Jenn, the pornographic email and the
>> text that tied it in with the then-recent death of my
>> son upset me, and upsets me to this day. I'm sure that
>> you're getting your jollies dragging this out as long as
>> you have, and no doubt you'll keep this up as long as
>> you can.
>
> Arny, read carefully:

> 1. YOU started the negative talk between us, so I'm
> simply clearing the air that YOU farted into and fouled.

In fact Jenn, I proved that you started this by imposing yourself into a
discussion between Graham and I.

> 2. I said that I don't know if you received kiddie-porn
> to turn the tables on you. You've asked me to prove
> things here that are unprovable online, so I'm just
> returning the favor, in hope that you'll learn something.

IOW Jenn you decided to teach me a lesson for showing that you were a liar
by rolling the kiddie porn issue over and over again. You know this is
related to the death of my son because it was pointed out to you the google
archives early on in the discussion.

> 3. Until fewer than 5 min ago when I read your other
> post, I had no idea that you ever had a son.

Seems like a convenient lie.

> I'm sorry for your loss, don't don't lay your baggage off on me.

Jenn, you've been rolling the kiddie porn over and over for about a day now.
The kiddie porn issue and its connection to my son's death was mentioned in
the posts that you were pointed at yesterday. You protest too much.

I just don't see any good faith here at all.

ScottW

January 30th 06, 03:12 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one
>>>> lead to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo
>>>> without cause, that is wrong.
>>>
>>> Dooh!
>>>
>>>> So the reaction then should be to
>>>> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>>>
>>> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my
>>> son, as Middius, Weil and Scotty have on numerous
>>> occasions,
>>
>> Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post
>> from me proving your accusation.
>
> Good example is how you picked up the ball from Art in the past few days.

Produce a specific reference or retract your accusation.
Its that simple Arny.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:14 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:fofDf.73807$0G.56699@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
>>>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
>>>> doing right now.
>>>
>>> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.

>> Except every chance you get, like right now.

>>> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does
>>> come up and I find your willingness to use it to score
>>> points here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
>>> nothing but pity for you in this.
>
>> See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for
>> objectioning to the zillionth discussion of horrible
>> events related to the death of my son!

> Then go bitch at Mike... he's the one that brought it
> up...

Not at all. The topic was brought up by Art. You jumped right on it first
chance you got. It's all in the google record.

> and if you had half a clue you'd see that my first
> response was chastizing him for doing so.

Nice way to get as many as possible interested in it, Scott.

>> How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag
>> this out this time, Scott?

> Look at yourself and what you're doing.

Yes, I'm denouncing people who exploit the death of my son from time to tome
to get back at me.

> I'm not going there.

You've already been there, Scott. You went there the first chance you got.
And you've tried to dirty me with it every way you could.

Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:15 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> ink.net
>
>> IIRC because there were accusations of Arny being a
>> pedophile, from a number of people, Middius included.
>
> Actually I had been accused of being a pedophile long before Middius
> posted here the first time. I believe the first to do this was a certain
> Derrida.
>
>> Then for a capper you might want to see Middius reaction
>> to the Arny's post regarding the death of his son Nate.
>
> The pornographic email had text that tried to leverage it on the death of
> my son.
>
> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to leverage the death of
> my son against me, as Scotty is doing right now.
>

There you go again.
Parading your victimhood.
Its waht got you into trouble the first time, and many
times thereafter.

>> There are few people who I truly think are beyond help or
>> who occaisonally deserve a break, Middius is one. He's
>> apig, he started out here as a pig and has never let up.
>
>> Interesting that he turned up almost immediately after
>> another ant-Arny whacko disappeared, one calling himself
>> Allen, Alan, etc. Derrida, who would post long winded
>> screeds on a nearly daily basis.
>
> Derrida posted literally hundreds of lines a day denouncing me.
>
>> The normal bickering and anti ABX rants from other
>> sources are bad enough and make this place legendary for
>> it's nastiness, but Middius and Derrida before him set
>> new levels of trash.
>
> Be careful what you say Mike. I'm sure that Jenn is licking her lips over
> all of this.
>

The paranoia is running deep.

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Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:16 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>>
>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one lead
>> to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo without
>> cause, that is wrong.
>
> Dooh!
>
>> So the reaction then should be to
>> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>
> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my son, as Middius,
> Weil and Scotty have on numerous occasions, to be normal even laudable
> behavior. The fact that I've reacted angrily is just another example of my
> flawed character, right?
>
> You've already tacitly approved death threats, so why should I be
> surprised that you've taken the next step?
>

Oh boy!!
I was wrong, I thought this Sunday's sermon might calm him down.

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ScottW

January 30th 06, 03:17 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:fofDf.73807$0G.56699@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>> news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
>>>>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
>>>>> doing right now.
>>>>
>>>> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.
>
>>> Except every chance you get, like right now.
>
>>>> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does
>>>> come up and I find your willingness to use it to score
>>>> points here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
>>>> nothing but pity for you in this.
>>
>>> See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for
>>> objectioning to the zillionth discussion of horrible
>>> events related to the death of my son!
>
>> Then go bitch at Mike... he's the one that brought it
>> up...
>
> Not at all. The topic was brought up by Art. You jumped right on it first
> chance you got. It's all in the google record.
>
>> and if you had half a clue you'd see that my first
>> response was chastizing him for doing so.
>
> Nice way to get as many as possible interested in it, Scott.
>
>>> How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag
>>> this out this time, Scott?
>
>> Look at yourself and what you're doing.
>
> Yes, I'm denouncing people who exploit the death of my son from time to
> tome to get back at me.
>
>> I'm not going there.
>
> You've already been there, Scott. You went there the first chance you got.
> And you've tried to dirty me with it every way you could.

Arny, I'm not your enemy.. I wish you no ill will. Get well soon.

ScottW

Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:19 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
>> I don't know. I don't know where else he posts, etc.
>> Actually, I don't know that he received kiddie-porn.
>
> Well Jenn, that was part of the trick. Even though it looked like kiddie
> porn, it was probably actually pictures of adults. I only learned that
> several years later.
>

You moron, how could someone else tell, if you couldn't.
It would have to be pretty borderline, age wise.
How could you call it kiddie porn, unless it was obvious.

> Believe it or not Jenn, the pornographic email and the text that tied it
> in with the then-recent death of my son upset me, and upsets me to this
> day. I'm sure that you're getting your jollies dragging this out as long
> as you have, and no doubt you'll keep this up as long as you can.
>

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Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:19 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> And now he's doing the same with me. I didn't even know
>>> that he had a son, so of course I've said nothing about
>>> his death, and yet he carries on. This is sad.
>>
>> Like I said Jenn, you'll sieze any pretext to go over
>> the details of this and put me down.
>>
>> Keep it up!
>
> When have I ever mentioned it, Arny?

The past day for sure. Before that, well I don't know when and where you
lurk.

> I'm confident in asking, because I didn't even know about it until this
> evening.

It's all over the google archive, and gets covered here whenver Middius and
his allies get bored. This time through it was brought up by Art and bounced
by Scott to get people's interest up.

Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:20 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "John Atkinson" > wrote
> in message
> oups.com
>
>> For the record, I never made any such accusation against
>> Arny Krueger, nor would I. Yet you should note that without a
>> scrap of evidence, he accused me of sending him the purported emails.
>
> Not a scrap of evidence? LOL!

Ok, what is the evidence that JA sent it to you?????

>
>> He then refused to withdraw the accusation on the grounds
>> that it was up to me to
>> prove that I hadn't, that if I couldn't it was reasonable
>> to assume that I had.
>
> At this point you've told so many hateful lies about me John, that
> plus/minus one would hardly make a difference.
>

Her goes the victim routine again.

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Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:22 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>>
>>> Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the
>>> Usenet world.
>>
>>
>> Which is entirely possible.
>> One just needs to take things at face value every now and
>> then. (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's
>> OK, at least I know I am a naive person :-) )
>>
>> Jenn seems sincere to me.
>
> Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this matter related to the
> death of my son out as long as she can.
>

Arny, SHE NEVER SAID A WORD ABOUT YOUR SON!!!!
YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, YET AGAIN!!!!
SHE DIDN"T EVEN KNOW YOU HAD A SON.

My god, as many times as you have shot yourself in the foot,
I am amazed you can still walk.

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Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:23 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one
>>>>> lead to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo
>>>>> without cause, that is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Dooh!
>>>>
>>>>> So the reaction then should be to
>>>>> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>>>>
>>>> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my
>>>> son, as Middius, Weil and Scotty have on numerous
>>>> occasions,
>>>
>>> Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post
>>> from me proving your accusation.
>>
>> Good example is how you picked up the ball from Art in
>> the past few days.
>>
>> Scott, you remind me of the articles about "Pious
>> Pornographers" from Playboy in the 60s.
>>
>> It's an old schtick - you just repeat the details of the
>> event again and again and say over and over again how
>> bad it was. In the process you throw more than a few
>> bricks at me.
>>
>>> Its a topic I've never engaged and only expressed
>>> disdain for those who do.
>>
>> Scott, you and Jenn seem to be doing a nice job of
>> exploiting it for the purpose of attacking my character.
>
> Arny, I'm going to say this once: I lost a close sibling
> when she was 40 and I was 28. I know from up close what
> that does to a parent. My parents were never the same.
> Burying a child is just about the worst thing that can
> happen to a person, IMO. I know. So I would NEVER take
> advantage of such a thing. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.
> Please take a breath and calm down.

Yeah sure Jenn. You've been flogging the child porno thing for a day now.
You said that you believed it exactly as presented by Middius.

It's directly related to my son's death as any searching in google can
quickly turn up.

This has been covered in RAO many times since you started posting here.

Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:23 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to leverage the death of
>> my son against me, as Scotty is doing right now.
>
> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch. I have expressed disdain
> for the subject when it does come up and I find your willingness to use it
> to score points here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have nothing
> but pity for you in this.
>

Well, pity is what he wants, but I suspect the kind
of pity you have is not the kind he wants.
But maybe any port in a storm will do.
'

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Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:24 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>>
>> > "Arny Krueger" > said:
>> >
>> >> Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the
>> >> Usenet world.
>> >
>> >
>> > Which is entirely possible.
>> > One just needs to take things at face value every now and
>> > then. (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's
>> > OK, at least I know I am a naive person :-) )
>> >
>> > Jenn seems sincere to me.
>>
>> Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this matter related to the
>> death of my son out as long as she can.
>>
>> I figure this will still be going on 5 days from now.
>
> WTF????? I didn't even know you ever had a son, Arny. What the hell
> are you talking about??

A C:LASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO

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Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:25 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
>> In what way is what you posted above relevant to what
>> Arny is posting to me? Do both "sides" of this group
>> hurl unfounded accusations at each other? Yes, no doubt.
>> Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is that Arny
>> started in on me for no reason, simply because we
>> disagree on the sound of LPs.
>
> Jenn trots out her persecution complex again.
>

ARny, you are no one to talk!

> I showed that she jumped into the current thread, but she's in denial as
> usual.
>
>> That's fine; it's no skin of my nose and being a grownup, I can take it.
>> I just
>> find it curious.
>
> I find it curious that you think you can tell so many lies and get away
> with it, Jenn.
>

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Jenn

January 30th 06, 03:25 AM

In article <KzfDf.73809$0G.40876@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > "ScottW" > wrote in message
> > news:fofDf.73807$0G.56699@dukeread10
> >> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >>> news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
> >>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
> >>>>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
> >>>>> doing right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.
> >
> >>> Except every chance you get, like right now.
> >
> >>>> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does
> >>>> come up and I find your willingness to use it to score
> >>>> points here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
> >>>> nothing but pity for you in this.
> >>
> >>> See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for
> >>> objectioning to the zillionth discussion of horrible
> >>> events related to the death of my son!
> >
> >> Then go bitch at Mike... he's the one that brought it
> >> up...
> >
> > Not at all. The topic was brought up by Art. You jumped right on it first
> > chance you got. It's all in the google record.
> >
> >> and if you had half a clue you'd see that my first
> >> response was chastizing him for doing so.
> >
> > Nice way to get as many as possible interested in it, Scott.
> >
> >>> How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag
> >>> this out this time, Scott?
> >
> >> Look at yourself and what you're doing.
> >
> > Yes, I'm denouncing people who exploit the death of my son from time to
> > tome to get back at me.
> >
> >> I'm not going there.
> >
> > You've already been there, Scott. You went there the first chance you got.
> > And you've tried to dirty me with it every way you could.
>
> Arny, I'm not your enemy.. I wish you no ill will. Get well soon.
>
> ScottW

Arny evidently can't realize it, but I'm not his enemy either; we simply
disagree about one aspect of a hobby. I wouldn't be arguing with him at
all had he not gone off on me for some unknown reason. Now, he has, in
essence, created an enemy. I wish him no ill will either. He sounds as
though he's either having a psychotic break, or he went out drinking
after church. Either way, it's sad.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:30 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:lufDf.73808$0G.19207@dukeread10
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> news:g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one
>>>>> lead to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo
>>>>> without cause, that is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Dooh!
>>>>
>>>>> So the reaction then should be to
>>>>> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>>>>
>>>> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my
>>>> son, as Middius, Weil and Scotty have on numerous
>>>> occasions,
>>>
>>> Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post
>>> from me proving your accusation.
>>
>> Good example is how you picked up the ball from Art in
>> the past few days.
>
> Produce a specific reference or retract your accusation.

I did, yesterday, and you denied it.

> Its that simple Arny.

What's simple Scott is that you and Art are old buddies. One plays good guy,
the other plays bad guy. This time it was Art's turn to be the bad guy and
start off the discussion of the kiddie porn email that targeted the death of
my son.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:31 AM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net> wrote in message

> Jenn said:
>
>>> You've already tacitly approved death threats, so why
>>> should I be surprised that you've taken the next step?
>
>> You've truly lost it, Arny. This is sad to watch.
>
> Actually, this is par for the Kroo-course. He has this
> kind of meltdown three or four times a year on RAO.

In comes Middius to console Jenn.

ScottW

January 30th 06, 03:34 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article <KzfDf.73809$0G.40876@dukeread10>,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> > news:fofDf.73807$0G.56699@dukeread10
>> >> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> >>> news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
>> >>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
>> >>>>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
>> >>>>> doing right now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.
>> >
>> >>> Except every chance you get, like right now.
>> >
>> >>>> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does
>> >>>> come up and I find your willingness to use it to score
>> >>>> points here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
>> >>>> nothing but pity for you in this.
>> >>
>> >>> See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for
>> >>> objectioning to the zillionth discussion of horrible
>> >>> events related to the death of my son!
>> >
>> >> Then go bitch at Mike... he's the one that brought it
>> >> up...
>> >
>> > Not at all. The topic was brought up by Art. You jumped right on it
>> > first
>> > chance you got. It's all in the google record.
>> >
>> >> and if you had half a clue you'd see that my first
>> >> response was chastizing him for doing so.
>> >
>> > Nice way to get as many as possible interested in it, Scott.
>> >
>> >>> How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag
>> >>> this out this time, Scott?
>> >
>> >> Look at yourself and what you're doing.
>> >
>> > Yes, I'm denouncing people who exploit the death of my son from time to
>> > tome to get back at me.
>> >
>> >> I'm not going there.
>> >
>> > You've already been there, Scott. You went there the first chance you
>> > got.
>> > And you've tried to dirty me with it every way you could.
>>
>> Arny, I'm not your enemy.. I wish you no ill will. Get well soon.
>>
>> ScottW
>
> Arny evidently can't realize it, but I'm not his enemy either; we simply
> disagree about one aspect of a hobby. I wouldn't be arguing with him at
> all had he not gone off on me for some unknown reason. Now, he has, in
> essence, created an enemy. I wish him no ill will either. He sounds as
> though he's either having a psychotic break, or he went out drinking
> after church. Either way, it's sad.

Yup.... so... on the brighter side... I see Jeffs Sound values has 2 used
pairs of Quads available... 63s with stands and 988s. I wonder how all
Quad surround would work? But what to do for a center channel?

ScottW

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:35 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> Arny evidently can't realize it, but I'm not his enemy
> either; we simply disagree about one aspect of a hobby.

What's unclear about "up yours!"?

> I wouldn't be arguing with him at all had he not gone off
> on me for some unknown reason.

Some unknown reason?OL!

> Now, he has, in essence, created an enemy.

Come on Jenn, nobody here is naive enough to believe that I only started
thinking you were my enemy just now.

> I wish him no ill will either.

What's unclear about "up yours!"?

> He sounds as though he's either having a psychotic break, or
> he went out drinking after church. Either way, it's sad.

Sweet one, isn't Jenn? Now she's playing psychiatrist and calling me a
drunk.

This is what you call "wishing me no ill" Jenn?

LOL!

ScottW

January 30th 06, 03:38 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:lufDf.73808$0G.19207@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>> news:g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one
>>>>>> lead to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo
>>>>>> without cause, that is wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dooh!
>>>>>
>>>>>> So the reaction then should be to
>>>>>> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>>>>>
>>>>> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my
>>>>> son, as Middius, Weil and Scotty have on numerous
>>>>> occasions,
>>>>
>>>> Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post
>>>> from me proving your accusation.
>>>
>>> Good example is how you picked up the ball from Art in
>>> the past few days.
>>
>> Produce a specific reference or retract your accusation.
>
> I did, yesterday, and you denied it.

Never saw it and can't find it.... produce specific message IDs or retract
your accusation.

>
>> Its that simple Arny.
>
> What's simple Scott is that you and Art are old buddies.

Yup... but I'm not playing your imaginary games.

ScottW

Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:40 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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>
>
> Witness Arny's particular insanity in all its glory. Thanks Mike for
> bringing out this latest episode.
> What can I say... but I warned you this wouldn't go anywhere nice.
> It will be awhile before Arny acts at all rational.
>

mike thought he was probably helping Arny somehow.

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Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 03:40 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article <EcfDf.73803$0G.10296@dukeread10>,
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the
>>>>>> Usenet world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is entirely possible.
>>>>> One just needs to take things at face value every now
>>>>> and then. (Which would make me a naive person as
>>>>> well. That's OK, at least I know I am a naive person
>>>>> :-) )
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenn seems sincere to me.
>>>>
>>>> Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this
>>>> matter related to the death of my son out as long as
>>>> she can.
>>>>
>>>> I figure this will still be going on 5 days from now.

>>> WTF????? I didn't even know you ever had a son, Arny.

Jenn, in just a few seconds I found where you've posted in threads where my
children were mentioned by John Atkinson. What did you think my children
were, anyway?

>>> What the hell are you talking about??

>> Witness Arny's particular insanity in all its glory.
>> Thanks Mike for bringing out this latest episode.
>> What can I say... but I warned you this wouldn't go
>> anywhere nice. It will be awhile before Arny acts at
>> all rational.

Hey look at this - Scott and Jenn are now playing doctor of psychiatry.

> Understood, but perhaps it's good that I've seen this. I
> have a better idea now of who we are dealing with.

Yeah, someone who can actually read your posts, Jenn.

S

Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:44 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
>> And now he's doing the same with me. I didn't even know
>> that he had a son, so of course I've said nothing about
>> his death, and yet he carries on. This is sad.
>
> Like I said Jenn, you'll sieze any pretext to go over the details of this
> and put me down.
>
> Keep it up!
>

DUHHH! She doesn't even know the details, She is not going over them.

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January 30th 06, 03:47 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:fofDf.73807$0G.56699@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>> news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
>>>>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
>>>>> doing right now.
>>>>
>>>> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.
>
>>> Except every chance you get, like right now.
>
>>>> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does
>>>> come up and I find your willingness to use it to score
>>>> points here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
>>>> nothing but pity for you in this.
>>
>>> See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for
>>> objectioning to the zillionth discussion of horrible
>>> events related to the death of my son!
>
>> Then go bitch at Mike... he's the one that brought it
>> up...
>
> Not at all. The topic was brought up by Art. You jumped right on it first
> chance you got. It's all in the google record.
>

no, the topic I brought up was all of your
unfounded accusations about traffiking in kiddie porn.
I never brought up anything about your son.
Mike did that.

>> and if you had half a clue you'd see that my first
>> response was chastizing him for doing so.
>
> Nice way to get as many as possible interested in it, Scott.
>
>>> How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag
>>> this out this time, Scott?
>
>> Look at yourself and what you're doing.
>
> Yes, I'm denouncing people who exploit the death of my son from time to
> tome to get back at me.
>
>> I'm not going there.
>
> You've already been there, Scott. You went there the first chance you got.
> And you've tried to dirty me with it every way you could.
>
>
>

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January 30th 06, 03:48 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
>>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
>>> doing right now.
>>
>> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.
>
> Except every chance you get, like right now.
>
>> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does come up
>> and I find your willingness to use it to score points
>> here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
>> nothing but pity for you in this.
>
> See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for objectioning to
> the zillionth discussion of horrible events related to the death of my
> son!
>
> How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag this out this time,
> Scott?
>

Eactly one post shorter than you can

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ScottW

January 30th 06, 03:48 AM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:EcfDf.73803$0G.10296@dukeread10...
>>
>>
>> Witness Arny's particular insanity in all its glory. Thanks Mike for
>> bringing out this latest episode.
>> What can I say... but I warned you this wouldn't go anywhere nice.
>> It will be awhile before Arny acts at all rational.
>>
>
> mike thought he was probably helping Arny somehow.

Be interesting to see him try and defend this meltdown particularly since
he precipitated it.

Oh well... I spent some time checking out the Orion project on Linkwitz Lab
site today.... very intriguing speaker project...... active line level
crossovers feeding independent amps for each driver. I've always thought
that might be the next level for speaker implementation. Anybody ever
heard them?

http://www.linkwitzlab.com/

ScottW

George M. Middius

January 30th 06, 03:53 AM

Jenn said:

> > Like I said Jenn, you'll sieze[sic] any pretext to go over the details of this
> > and put me down.

> When have I ever mentioned it, Arny? I'm confident in asking, because I
> didn't even know about it until this evening.

Hold on a second -- this is a red-letter day. Krooger has actually invited
one of his "enemies" to put him down. I'm sure he meant "put me down" in
the sick animal sense. Go to it, Jenn! Your mission is approved and
funded.

Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 03:53 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:lufDf.73808$0G.19207@dukeread10
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>> news:g9fDf.73802$0G.73452@dukeread10
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand what you are saying, but why should one
>>>>>> lead to the other? If Arny was accused of being a pedo
>>>>>> without cause, that is wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dooh!
>>>>>
>>>>>> So the reaction then should be to
>>>>>> accuse someone of sending kiddie porn?
>>>>>
>>>>> I get it Jenn. You consider exploiting the death of my
>>>>> son, as Middius, Weil and Scotty have on numerous
>>>>> occasions,
>>>>
>>>> Stop it with the lies about me Arny. Produce one post
>>>> from me proving your accusation.
>>>
>>> Good example is how you picked up the ball from Art in
>>> the past few days.
>>
>> Produce a specific reference or retract your accusation.
>
> I did, yesterday, and you denied it.
>
>> Its that simple Arny.
>
> What's simple Scott is that you and Art are old buddies. One plays good
> guy, the other plays bad guy. This time it was Art's turn to be the bad
> guy and start off the discussion of the kiddie porn email that targeted
> the death of my son.
>

no, no, no . no . no . no
I started off by talking about your false accusations.
There never was a kiddie porn email that targeted the death of your son.

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MINe 109

January 30th 06, 03:56 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
> [dot] net> wrote in message
>
> > Jenn said:
> >
> >>> You've already tacitly approved death threats, so why
> >>> should I be surprised that you've taken the next step?
> >
> >> You've truly lost it, Arny. This is sad to watch.
> >
> > Actually, this is par for the Kroo-course. He has this
> > kind of meltdown three or four times a year on RAO.
>
> In comes Middius to console Jenn.

Maybe a little time away from the computer would be a good thing for you.

Stephen

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 04:05 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:O0gDf.73814$0G.12577@dukeread10

> Be interesting to see him try and defend this meltdown
> particularly since he precipitated it.

Ah, the spin and lies defense is in full gear.

Here are good buddies Art and Scott trying to cover up the fact that it was
Art that actually started the discussion of my son's death and a
pornographic email that that tried to exploit it.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 04:07 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> Again, I did not know that you ever had a son until
> tonight.

So when you were posting to that thread where Atkinson was discussing
attacks on my children, exactly what form did you think that my children
took?

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 04:09 AM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:%efDf.73804$0G.13689@dukeread10

> Get real.. for the record Mike's the one that brought it
> up and you're the one repeating it all over. We're
> sorry for your loss and doubly sorry that you're too sick
> to see what a disgrace it is you're doing right now.

Nice job Scott of trying to cover up the fact that it was your buddy Art
that brought this whole issue up. That you would try to use Mike to cover up
for Art is just positively despicable, but very much in character for you.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 04:11 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> In what way is what you posted above relevant to what
>>> Arny is posting to me? Do both "sides" of this group
>>> hurl unfounded accusations at each other? Yes, no
>>> doubt.
>>> Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is that Arny
>>> started in on me for no reason, simply because we
>>> disagree on the sound of LPs.
>>
>> Jenn trots out her persecution complex again.
>>
>> I showed that she jumped into the current thread, but
>> she's in denial as usual.
>>
>>> That's fine; it's no skin of my nose and being a
>>> grownup, I can take it. I just
>>> find it curious.
>>
>> I find it curious that you think you can tell so many
>> lies and get away with it, Jenn.
>
> Go ahead Arny, quote ONE lie that I told.

Jenn, let's start with your denial of the proven fact that you pushed
yourself into a discussion between Graham and I about people who think that
LPs and tubed equipment are flawless. I quoted it and you immediately
denied it, even though the evidence was clear and from an unimpeachable
source.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 04:14 AM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> And now he's doing the same with me. I didn't even know
>>> that he had a son, so of course I've said nothing about
>>> his death, and yet he carries on. This is sad.
>>
>> Like I said Jenn, you'll sieze any pretext to go over
>> the details of this and put me down.
>>
>> Keep it up!
>>
>
> DUHHH! She doesn't even know the details, She is not
> going over them.

Yeah, Jenn claims that she didn't know that I had a son, even though she's
in the google record as posting to a thread where Atkinson discussed my
children.

If you beleive that...

George M. Middius

January 30th 06, 04:14 AM

MINe 109 said:

> > >> You've truly lost it, Arny. This is sad to watch.

> > > Actually, this is par for the Kroo-course. He has this
> > > kind of meltdown three or four times a year on RAO.

> > In comes Middius to console Jenn.

> Maybe a little time away from the computer would be a good thing for you.

Arnii has achieved full integration with his computer. Now he doesn't even
need headphones to play back recordings of his church choir.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 04:14 AM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> no, no, no . no . no . no
> I started off by talking about your false accusations.

> There never was a kiddie porn email that targeted the
> death of your son.

Thanks for returning to the scene of your crime, Art.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 04:15 AM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at]
>> comcast [dot] net> wrote in message
>>
>>> Jenn said:
>>>
>>>>> You've already tacitly approved death threats, so why
>>>>> should I be surprised that you've taken the next step?
>>>
>>>> You've truly lost it, Arny. This is sad to watch.
>>>
>>> Actually, this is par for the Kroo-course. He has this
>>> kind of meltdown three or four times a year on RAO.
>>
>> In comes Middius to console Jenn.
>
> Maybe a little time away from the computer would be a
> good thing for you.

Wow, who else on the Middius team will jump in here?

Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 04:25 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:%efDf.73804$0G.13689@dukeread10
>
>> Get real.. for the record Mike's the one that brought it
>> up and you're the one repeating it all over. We're
>> sorry for your loss and doubly sorry that you're too sick
>> to see what a disgrace it is you're doing right now.
>
> Nice job Scott of trying to cover up the fact that it was your buddy Art
> that brought this whole issue up. That you would try to use Mike to cover
> up for Art is just positively despicable, but very much in character for
> you.
>

Look Arny, I had NO INTENTION of
bringing up your son. And I never mentioned that you
had a son. MIKE brought up the issue of your son.
The issue I brought up was your wild
accusations against a number of people, that
they sent you kiddie porn in the email. You never
received such email, the whole story is a wild
fabrication, and is so full of holes and inconsistencies
that it can't be true. the whole thing was originally brought
up by you years ago as a sick ploy to gain debating trade points, based upon
pity. And you are making a big deal of it again tonight,
playing the offended martyr. And of course, making even more
wild and unfounded allegations. Just like that earlier time.

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Clyde Slick

January 30th 06, 04:43 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>> no, no, no . no . no . no
>> I started off by talking about your false accusations.
>
>> There never was a kiddie porn email that targeted the
>> death of your son.
>
> Thanks for returning to the scene of your crime, Art.
>

Considering your wild and crazy accusations in tonights meltdown,
who is going to believe you now?

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Jenn

January 30th 06, 05:38 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >>> In what way is what you posted above relevant to what
> >>> Arny is posting to me? Do both "sides" of this group
> >>> hurl unfounded accusations at each other? Yes, no
> >>> doubt.
> >>> Who started it? God knows. What I DO know is that Arny
> >>> started in on me for no reason, simply because we
> >>> disagree on the sound of LPs.
> >>
> >> Jenn trots out her persecution complex again.
> >>
> >> I showed that she jumped into the current thread, but
> >> she's in denial as usual.
> >>
> >>> That's fine; it's no skin of my nose and being a
> >>> grownup, I can take it. I just
> >>> find it curious.
> >>
> >> I find it curious that you think you can tell so many
> >> lies and get away with it, Jenn.
> >
> > Go ahead Arny, quote ONE lie that I told.
>
> Jenn, let's start with your denial of the proven fact that you pushed
> yourself into a discussion between Graham and I about people who think that
> LPs and tubed equipment are flawless. I quoted it and you immediately
> denied it, even though the evidence was clear and from an unimpeachable
> source.

No Arny, you aren't recalling the facts correctly. My claim is that you
started the insults, not that I didn't post to you first. You are able
to show otherwise, right? Of course not, because I never claimed that I
didn't post to you first, but that YOU started the insults. Here is my
first post:
>

Here is your reply:
>

After you've calmed down, I'll be happy to discuss this further with
you. Meanwhile, you should try to refrain from making things up.

BTW, you call me joining the conversation "pushing myself in." I know
that I'm "naive" about Usenet, but is it customary that only two people
can be part of a thread?

Jenn

January 30th 06, 05:44 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
> > Again, I did not know that you ever had a son until
> > tonight.
>
> So when you were posting to that thread where Atkinson was discussing
> attacks on my children, exactly what form did you think that my children
> took?

Sorry Arny; I can't find a post from John in either of the two threads
that I am reading where he is discussing attacks on your children.
Perhaps you could provide a link?

Jenn

January 30th 06, 06:10 AM

In article <kPfDf.73810$0G.24598@dukeread10>,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <KzfDf.73809$0G.40876@dukeread10>,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >> > "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >> > news:fofDf.73807$0G.56699@dukeread10
> >> >> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> >> >>> news:r3fDf.73799$0G.66888@dukeread10
> >> >>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >> >>>> ...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> And yes, Middius like Weil and Scotty have tried to
> >> >>>>> leverage the death of my son against me, as Scotty is
> >> >>>>> doing right now.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> BS Arny, its a topic I don't want to touch.
> >> >
> >> >>> Except every chance you get, like right now.
> >> >
> >> >>>> I have> expressed disdain for the subject when it does
> >> >>>> come up and I find your willingness to use it to score
> >> >>>> points here extraordinarily sick... even for you. I have
> >> >>>> nothing but pity for you in this.
> >> >>
> >> >>> See Scott, according to you I'm extraodinarily sick for
> >> >>> objectioning to the zillionth discussion of horrible
> >> >>> events related to the death of my son!
> >> >
> >> >> Then go bitch at Mike... he's the one that brought it
> >> >> up...
> >> >
> >> > Not at all. The topic was brought up by Art. You jumped right on it
> >> > first
> >> > chance you got. It's all in the google record.
> >> >
> >> >> and if you had half a clue you'd see that my first
> >> >> response was chastizing him for doing so.
> >> >
> >> > Nice way to get as many as possible interested in it, Scott.
> >> >
> >> >>> How many days do you think that you and Jenn can drag
> >> >>> this out this time, Scott?
> >> >
> >> >> Look at yourself and what you're doing.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I'm denouncing people who exploit the death of my son from time to
> >> > tome to get back at me.
> >> >
> >> >> I'm not going there.
> >> >
> >> > You've already been there, Scott. You went there the first chance you
> >> > got.
> >> > And you've tried to dirty me with it every way you could.
> >>
> >> Arny, I'm not your enemy.. I wish you no ill will. Get well soon.
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > Arny evidently can't realize it, but I'm not his enemy either; we simply
> > disagree about one aspect of a hobby. I wouldn't be arguing with him at
> > all had he not gone off on me for some unknown reason. Now, he has, in
> > essence, created an enemy. I wish him no ill will either. He sounds as
> > though he's either having a psychotic break, or he went out drinking
> > after church. Either way, it's sad.
>
> Yup.... so... on the brighter side... I see Jeffs Sound values has 2 used
> pairs of Quads available... 63s with stands and 988s. I wonder how all
> Quad surround would work? But what to do for a center channel?
>
> ScottW

Not sure how it would work, as I know zilch about surround, but it
couldn't help but sound great, I bet! :-)

Hey, based on your post, I looked up Jeff's. Wow, I wish that I could
presently afford those Quads!

Forwarder

January 30th 06, 11:01 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>
>
>>"Arny Krueger" > said:
>>
>>
>>>Nahh, Jenn is just really naive about the ways of the
>>>Usenet world.
>>
>>
>>Which is entirely possible.
>>One just needs to take things at face value every now and
>>then. (Which would make me a naive person as well. That's
>>OK, at least I know I am a naive person :-) )
>>
>>Jenn seems sincere to me.
>
>
> Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this matter related to the
> death of my son out as long as she can.

Actually it is *you* and your sockpuppet mickeymickmickey that is
"dragging out this matter related to the" .. you know what. It was
duh!mickey that first brought it up, and it *you* now, that is dragging
it out, and the proof is *your* reply to Sander:

Sander: "Jenn seems sincere to me."
Krueger: "Jenn has been very sincere about dragging out this matter
related to the ..."

>
> I figure this will still be going on 5 days from now.

You will make sure that it does too. Whenever you are pushed into a
corner by someone sincere you find a way to dig up this issue. Your
motives are all but too obvious. You are truly in need of help.

>
>

Forwarder

January 30th 06, 11:30 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:O0gDf.73814$0G.12577@dukeread10
>
>
>>Be interesting to see him try and defend this meltdown
>>particularly since he precipitated it.
>
>
> Ah, the spin and lies defense is in full gear.
>
> Here are good buddies Art and Scott trying to cover up the fact that it was
> Art that actually started the discussion of my son's death and a
> pornographic email that that tried to exploit it.
>
>
>
Scott tries to change the subject and talks about some linkswitz
speakers or another (how do crossovers drive amps anyway?) and you yet
*again* attempt to drag the issue back to that unspeakable, miserable
subject.

John Atkinson

January 30th 06, 12:12 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote
> in message
> oups.com
> > For the record, I never made any such accusation against
> > Arny Krueger, nor would I. Yet you should note that without a
> > scrap of evidence, he accused me of sending him the purported
> > emails.
>
> Not a scrap of evidence? LOL!

I don't why you are laughing, Mr. Krueger. I repeat, there was not
an iota of evidence that I sent you the offensive emails, if they
existed at all. If you have something you feel points in my
direction, please share it.

> > He then refused to withdraw the accusation on the grounds
> > that it was up to me to prove that I hadn't, that if I couldn't it was
> > reasonable to assume that I had.
>
> At this point you've told so many hateful lies about me John, that
> plus/minus one would hardly make a difference.

I have not told _any_ lies about you Mr. Krueger, as the Google record
clearly shows. That you believe so is a sad reflection on your state
of mind.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

John Atkinson

January 30th 06, 12:20 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> And now he's doing the same with me. I didn't even know
> >>> that he had a son, so of course I've said nothing about
> >>> his death, and yet he carries on. This is sad.
> >>
> >> Like I said Jenn, you'll sieze any pretext to go over
> >> the details of this and put me down.
> >>
> >> Keep it up!
> >
> > DUHHH! She doesn't even know the details, She is not
> > going over them.
>
> Yeah, Jenn claims that she didn't know that I had a son, even though
> she's in the google record as posting to a thread where Atkinson
> discussed my children.

For the record, Mr. Krueger, other than to express my condolences over
the death of your son and to condemn others who used that tragic event
to
mock you, I have not commented on your children, either here or in the
real
world. Please stop saying this. It offends me that you thus drag me
into this
pathetic descent of yours into victimhood.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 12:22 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Again, I did not know that you ever had a son until
>>> tonight.
>>
>> So when you were posting to that thread where Atkinson
>> was discussing attacks on my children, exactly what form
>> did you think that my children took?
>
> Sorry Arny; I can't find a post from John in either of
> the two threads that I am reading where he is discussing
> attacks on your children. Perhaps you could provide a
> link?

Here's more reliable evidence for you to deny, Jenn:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/85f9043256f49f7f

In this post Jenn quotes John Atkinson telling the following lie:

"I repeat, I have never attacked Mr. Krueger's children, his wife, or his
religious beliefs."

So Jenn's claim that she doesn't know that I have a son is ludicrous. She at
minimum knows that I have children. Given her attitude towards me and the
appreciation and credibility she grants to Middius, I would imagine that she
thinks that my children are dogs or cats.

In fact Atkinson had to apologize to me on RAO for posting a reference to my
wife as the "kroobitch".

In fact Atkinson has used religious grounds to redicule me on numerous
occasions.

In fact Atkinson has proudly and repeatedly spoken of his admiration for
Middius and Middius' posts on RAO in the same times that Middius was
attacking me and my family reprehsibly, including numerous accusations that
I killed and sodomized the body of my late son.

Finally, the years-long friendship between Art and Scott is well known, and
Art's support for, and reiteration of Middius' vile claims is also well
known. In the case of Art and Scott, Scott's role here has been to give
credibility to the vile claims of Art and Middius by suggesting that there
is some truth to them.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 12:30 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>

>>> Go ahead Arny, quote ONE lie that I told.

>> Jenn, let's start with your denial of the proven fact
>> that you pushed yourself into a discussion between
>> Graham and I about people who think that LPs and tubed
>> equipment are flawless. I quoted it and you immediately
>> denied it, even though the evidence was clear and from
>> an unimpeachable source.

Jenn then denied the validity of my proof.

Apparently, given some time to think about it, Jenn has changed her story:

> No Arny, you aren't recalling the facts correctly. My
> claim is that you started the insults, not that I didn't
> post to you first.

Jenn, You're changing your story under pressure. First you claimed you
didn't make an issue of yourself in the thread, but its a fact that you
did. I guess it finally sunk into your head that I was right. But, you lack
the character it woudl take to correct yourself.

Now Jenn you're tryint to chage the discussion to one over what constitutes
an insult, which is always an opinion.

I'm not playing your little dissembling game, Jenn. If you lack the
character to admit that you made a mistake there's no purpose served by
arguing the matter with you further.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 12:35 PM

"John Atkinson" > wrote
in message
oups.com

> For the record, Mr. Krueger, other than to express my
> condolences over the death of your son and to condemn
> others who used that tragic event to
> mock you, I have not commented on your children, either
> here or in the real
> world. Please stop saying this. It offends me that you
> thus drag me into this
> pathetic descent of yours into victimhood.

In fact Atkinson you have praised the grotesque postings of George Middius
on RAO in the same time frame that he was claiming reprehensible things
about my late son. So, no you didn't do anything directly - instead you
express your unqualified appreciation for the vile posts of George Middius.

Arny Krueger

January 30th 06, 12:40 PM

"John Atkinson" > wrote
in message
oups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote
>> in message
>> oups.com
>>> For the record, I never made any such accusation against
>>> Arny Krueger, nor would I. Yet you should note that
>>> without a
>>> scrap of evidence, he accused me of sending him the
>>> purported
>>> emails.
>>
>> Not a scrap of evidence? LOL!
>
> I don't why you are laughing, Mr. Krueger. I repeat,
> there was not
> an iota of evidence that I sent you the offensive emails,
> if they existed at all. If you have something you feel
> points in my direction, please share it.
>
>>> He then refused to withdraw the accusation on the
>>> grounds
>>> that it was up to me to prove that I hadn't, that if I
>>> couldn't it was reasonable to assume that I had.
>>
>> At this point you've told so many hateful lies about me
>> John, that plus/minus one would hardly make a difference.
>
> I have not told _any_ lies about you Mr. Krueger, as the
> Google record clearly shows. That you believe so is a sad
> reflection on your state of mind.

Does anybody seriously expect that Atkinson would admit that he told any
lies about me under any circumstances?

Here's a good example of some of Atkinson's more reprehensible false claims
about me:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/2874d1ae24a1ed78

John Atkinson

January 30th 06, 12:56 PM

Arny Krueger trolled:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote
> in message
> oups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> "John Atkinson" > wrote
> >> in message
> >> oups.com
> >>> For the record, I never made any such accusation against
> >>> Arny Krueger, nor would I. Yet you should note that
> >>> without a scrap of evidence, he accused me of sending
> >>> him the purported emails.
> >>
> >> Not a scrap of evidence? LOL!
> >
> > I don't why you are laughing, Mr. Krueger. I repeat,
> > there was not an iota of evidence that I sent you the offensive
> > emails, if they existed at all. If you have something you feel
> > points in my direction, please share it.

No response from Arny Krueger. Nothing. Nada. De rien. Do I
believe that not having any evidence will stop this man's
delusionary trolling? Sadly, no.

> Here's a good example of some of Atkinson's more reprehensible
> false claims about me:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/2874d1ae24a1ed78

If anyone examines the thread, they will see that I was not making
"reprehensible false claims." As you had been making defamatory
accusations that I, a professional writer and editor, was a plagiarist
without any basis in fact, I was suggesting that an alternative
explanation for you making such baseless accusations was that you
were insane. After all, isn't this is possible explanantion for someone
seeing things that aren't there, hearing things that aren't there, and
imagining he has enemies, including the editor of an international
magazine who are continually conspiring on Usenet to do him down?

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

John Atkinson

January 30th 06, 01:01 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> Again, I did not know that you ever had a son until
> >>> tonight.
> >>
> >> So when you were posting to that thread where Atkinson
> >> was discussing attacks on my children, exactly what form
> >> did you think that my children took?
> >
> > Sorry Arny; I can't find a post from John in either of
> > the two threads that I am reading where he is discussing
> > attacks on your children. Perhaps you could provide a
> > link?
>
> Here's more reliable evidence for you to deny, Jenn:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/85f9043256f49f7f
> In this post Jenn quotes John Atkinson telling the following lie:
> "I repeat, I have never attacked Mr. Krueger's children, his wife, or his
> religious beliefs."

This is not a lie. I have never attacked Mr. Krueger's wife, his
children,
or his religious beliefs. Every time I have asked Mr. Krueger to post a
Google link to a message where I was supposed to have done these
things,
he has been unable to do so. When we met in person last year, he was
notably quiet on this subject. Yet in the misery of his victimhood and
from
behind the safety of his PC, he continues to make these defamatory
claims.

> In fact Atkinson had to apologize to me on RAO for posting a reference to
> my wife as the "kroobitch".

Yes, I insensitively quoted another poster's usage, though I thought my
use
of quotation marks made it apparent that I was quoting. Arny said that
his
wife had been offended by my posting so I asked Arny to convey my
apologies to her. No good deed goes unpunished, I guess.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile