Open letter to Mr Graham Bear who posts as "Pooh Bear"

[[email protected]]

Dear Mr Bear,

Your campaign of stalking Mr Andre Jute is in itself a disgrace but
that would not concern me overly much as Mr Jute is more than big
enough to look after himself. If is perfectly clear that you are no
match for Mr Jute, who laughs as he runs circles around you.

What does concern me is the disgrace your despicable behaviour casts on
an honorable profession. Perhaps, if you intend to continue on this
course, you will stop telling us so frequently that you are "an
engineer".

Mr Jute's tube amplifier circuits are published for all to use. They
have been built by distinguished engineers in Germany and Italy known
to me personally, who speak well of them. I have also built Mr Jute's
designs. Where are your circuits for us to evaluate and build, Mr Bear?

Yours sincerely,

Frank B.

[Arny Krueger]

"François Yves Le Gal" > wrote in message
...
> On 17 Dec 2005 14:57:42 -0800, wrote:
>
>>Frank B.
>
> Here are Jute's headers from one of his posts earlier today:
>
> From: "Andre Jute" >
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.162.27.200
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> X-Trace: posting.google.com 1134801297 14098 127.0.0.1 (17 Dec 2005
> 06:34:57
> GMT)
> X-Complaints-To:
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:57 +0000 (UTC)
> User-Agent: G2/0.2
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> AppleWebKit/125.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
> Complaints-To:
> Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=203.162.27.200;
> posting-account=UW8NYA0AAABmioOeCpV4ezXW-kd7p7g4
>
> Here are the headers from "Frank B.":
>
> From:
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.162.27.200
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> 22:57:47
> GMT)
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> posting-account=2mmW6A0AAABOKXhh3WjJkS6b9R6ToIBM
>
> Exactly the same... Same IP, same user agent, same everything. Frank B. is
> another Jute sockppupet.

Probably the only way that Jute can find anybody to agree with him. ;-)

Actually Jute does have some unfortunate individuals with reduced mental
powers who do agree with him. But he apparently does not have enough, so he
has descended to creating sockupppets to stoke his ego.

[dizzy]

wrote:

>Mr Jute's obvious sock-puppets supporting him are a real hoot!

Check the headers. Yahoo/google nym-shifting asshole, never to be
believed.

[Andre Jute]

wrote:
> Dear Mr Bear,
>
> Your campaign of stalking Mr Andre Jute is in itself a disgrace but
> that would not concern me overly much as Mr Jute is more than big
> enough to look after himself. If is perfectly clear that you are no
> match for Mr Jute, who laughs as he runs circles around you.

You're wasting your breath, Frank. Graham Excrement has not the
faintest idea of professional behaviour.

> What does concern me is the disgrace your despicable behaviour casts on
> an honorable profession. Perhaps, if you intend to continue on this
> course, you will stop telling us so frequently that you are "an
> engineer".

If this tenth-rather Poopie were any kind of an engineer he would
demonstrate it by analysis of something I've published. Instead he
follows me around like lovesick puppy trying to sniff my shorts. What
sort of an engineer has to tell people ten times a day that he has a
diploma?

> Mr Jute's tube amplifier circuits are published for all to use. They
> have been built by distinguished engineers in Germany and Italy known
> to me personally, who speak well of them. I have also built Mr Jute's
> designs. Where are your circuits for us to evaluate and build, Mr Bear?

Graham Poopie Bear admits to studying the materials on my netsite. He
has not offerred any analysis of what I have written or of the circuits
there published. Instead he claims the technical material could not
have been written by me, must have been ghostwritten. I kid you not.
The man's a fool. If he knows anything about electronics, we haven't
seen it. I doubt we will.

> Yours sincerely,
>
> Frank B.

Andre Jute

[Adam Stouffer]

François Yves Le Gal wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2005 14:57:42 -0800, wrote:
>
> Here are Jute's headers from one of his posts earlier today:
>
> From: "Andre Jute" >
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.162.27.200
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> X-Trace: posting.google.com 1134801297 14098 127.0.0.1 (17 Dec 2005 06:34:57
> GMT)
> X-Complaints-To:
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:34:57 +0000 (UTC)
> User-Agent: G2/0.2
> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en)
> AppleWebKit/125.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
> Complaints-To:
> Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=203.162.27.200;
> posting-account=UW8NYA0AAABmioOeCpV4ezXW-kd7p7g4
>
> Here are the headers from "Frank B.":
>
> From:
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.162.27.200
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> X-Trace: posting.google.com 1134860267 20443 127.0.0.1 (17 Dec 2005 22:57:47
> GMT)
> X-Complaints-To:
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:57:47 +0000 (UTC)
> User-Agent: G2/0.2
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> Complaints-To:
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> posting-account=2mmW6A0AAABOKXhh3WjJkS6b9R6ToIBM
>
> Exactly the same... Same IP, same user agent, same everything. Frank B. is
> another Jute sockppupet.
>

What I can't figure out is the mexican connection. Once in a while some
sock puppet posts from an ip address in mexico. His post usually praises
everything about Jute and then asks one question.


Adam

[Robert Morein]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Dear Mr Bear,
>
> Your campaign of stalking Mr Andre Jute is in itself a disgrace but
> that would not concern me overly much as Mr Jute is more than big
> enough to look after himself. If is perfectly clear that you are no
> match for Mr Jute, who laughs as he runs circles around you.
>
I have had the pleasure of conversing with "Mr. Bear."
Whatever differences you may have with him on audio, it happens to be a fact
that "Mr. Bear" is the nom de plume of an individual with considerable
professional musical experience, to a greater degree than anyone else on
this group, including Atkinson.

Addressing myself to "Mr. Bear", it puzzles me that you regard your
anonymity in this group as so essential. The recent press has reported that
you are quite outspoken on certain fictional matters, even in venues where
extreme decorum, propriety, and conformance to conventional values are
expected.

[Phil Allison]

"Andre Jute"

>
> Graham Poopie Bear admits to studying the materials on my netsite. He
> has not offerred any analysis of what I have written or of the circuits
> there published. Instead he claims the technical material could not
> have been written by me, must have been ghostwritten. I kid you not.
> The man's a fool. If he knows anything about electronics, we haven't
> seen it. I doubt we will.
>


** Poopie Bear ( aka Graham Stevenson ) is a very obvious fake.

He popped up on AAPLS in 2003 waving his tiny dick about claiming to be an
expert professional audio designer.

In truth Poopie is a fat, middle aged, pommy ex DJ and factory tech.

He claims to have worked for Neve and Studiomaster.

As a factory hack.

His only design ability is as a plagiarist.

The innumerable gaps in his knowledge are a mile wide.

Poopie desperately tries to cover them with arrogance and wild bull****ting.

But they are just too big and too many.

He has no job.





........ Phil

[Pooh Bear]

Robert Morein wrote:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Dear Mr Bear,
> >
> > Your campaign of stalking Mr Andre Jute is in itself a disgrace but
> > that would not concern me overly much as Mr Jute is more than big
> > enough to look after himself. If is perfectly clear that you are no
> > match for Mr Jute, who laughs as he runs circles around you.
> >
> I have had the pleasure of conversing with "Mr. Bear."
> Whatever differences you may have with him on audio, it happens to be a fact
> that "Mr. Bear" is the nom de plume of an individual with considerable
> professional musical experience, to a greater degree than anyone else on
> this group, including Atkinson.
>
> Addressing myself to "Mr. Bear", it puzzles me that you regard your
> anonymity in this group as so essential. The recent press has reported that
> you are quite outspoken on certain fictional matters, even in venues where
> extreme decorum, propriety, and conformance to conventional values are
> expected.

Hi Robert,

the use an 'alias' is largely incidental. I have posted under several in my
years on Usenet. For a while I used 'Arthur Dent'. The use of an alias or handle
seems widesperead. I'd guess it's about a 50/50 split with those who use their
real identity ( or maybe it's a fake id ? - another story entirely ).

FWIW - the name Pooh Bear simply amuses me. Too many ppl know me as Pooh now -
lol !

I did post for a while under my real name too. Unfortunately I didn't have a
spam trap in the return address, so I ended up with 200+ junk mail items a day.
I shan't do that again !

My real id is no special secret and many in the pro-audio groups know very well
who I am.

My posted email address works btw.

I'm unclear what you're referring to about the fictional matters though.


Graham

[Andre Jute]

Phil Allison wrote:
> "Andre Jute"
>
> >
> > Graham Poopie Bear admits to studying the materials on my netsite. He
> > has not offerred any analysis of what I have written or of the circuits
> > there published. Instead he claims the technical material could not
> > have been written by me, must have been ghostwritten. I kid you not.
> > The man's a fool. If he knows anything about electronics, we haven't
> > seen it. I doubt we will.
> >
>
>
> ** Poopie Bear ( aka Graham Stevenson ) is a very obvious fake.
>
> He popped up on AAPLS in 2003 waving his tiny dick about claiming to be an
> expert professional audio designer.

He's given us the same lie here, claiming tens of thousands of his
sound reinforcement systems are in service worldwide.

> In truth Poopie is a fat, middle aged, pommy ex DJ and factory tech.

Quite a bit more than middleaged. He invaded a thread in which I
mentioned The Bonzo Dog Band to claim he once recorded them. If it is
true (which would be no shakes as they are posthumously famous; at the
time they were playing for free), then it happened forty years ago
because they last worked around 1967/68.

But at least that's better than Arny Krueger recording the choir at his
little church. After all, the Bonzo made a couple of commercial
recordings later. (And no, no Graham Stevenson is credited among the
recording staff. No prizes for guessing that.)

> He claims to have worked for Neve and Studiomaster.

As truck driver? A security guard? Those are good jobs for fat clowns.

> As a factory hack.

Aha!

> His only design ability is as a plagiarist.

I don't think he's bright enough to be a plagiarist. A plagiarist would
at least know enough about circuits to criticize something I published.
Instead he sneers and jeers non-specifically.

> The innumerable gaps in his knowledge are a mile wide.

Gee, Phil, have you suddenly become the master of understatement?
Poopie is a veritable walking Grand Canyon of ignorance.

> Poopie desperately tries to cover them with arrogance and wild bull****ting.
>
> But they are just too big and too many.
>
> He has no job.
>
Just another piece of net flotsam who thinks he can blow in here,
abuse us a little, become famous overnight, and get a job. Maybe we can
do Mike LaFevre a big favour (hee-hee!) and tell him Magnequest needs
Poopie Stevenson to carry out the trash. Why, for Stevenson, carrying
out the trash in Philadelphia will be a career already. (1)

> ....... Phil

Andre Jute

(1) Thank you Dr Freud. When Adler died in Aberdeen, Freud wrote to
Arnold Zweig, "The Jewish boy from a Viennese suburb who died in
Aberdeen. He must have achieved something." In the popular literature
that is now rendered as, "For a Jewboy like Adler to die in Aberdeen is
a career already."

[dave weil]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:02:00 +0000, Pooh Bear
> wrote:

>Hi Robert,
>
>the use an 'alias' is largely incidental. I have posted under several in my
>years on Usenet. For a while I used 'Arthur Dent'. The use of an alias or handle
>seems widesperead. I'd guess it's about a 50/50 split with those who use their
>real identity ( or maybe it's a fake id ? - another story entirely ).
>
>FWIW - the name Pooh Bear simply amuses me. Too many ppl know me as Pooh now -
>lol !
>
>I did post for a while under my real name too. Unfortunately I didn't have a
>spam trap in the return address, so I ended up with 200+ junk mail items a day.
>I shan't do that again !
>
>My real id is no special secret and many in the pro-audio groups know very well
>who I am.
>
>My posted email address works btw.
>
>I'm unclear what you're referring to about the fictional matters though.
>
>
>Graham

The way that people who use their real names have those very real
names abused for sport is reason enough to keep an alias (and yes,
this applies to Arnold Krueger as well).

[Lionel]

François Yves Le Gal a écrit :

[snip]

> Exactly the same... Same IP, same user agent, same everything. Frank B. is
> another Jute sockppupet.

RAO moronic "regulars" need a little bit more time to realize that Dédé
Jute is schizophrenic. :-D


--
Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?

Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :

> The way that people who use their real names have those very real
> names abused for sport is reason enough to keep an alias (and yes,
> this applies to Arnold Krueger as well).


LOL !


--
Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?

Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500

[Phil Allison]

"dave weil

>
> The way that people who use their real names have those very real
> names abused for sport is reason enough to keep an alias (and yes,
> this applies to Arnold Krueger as well).



** Never heard the old saying about " Sticks and Stones ..... " - Dave
???

My being dubbed Phyllistine , Phyllus, Philthy, Assillon and many equally
creative variants thereon is cause for no more than mild amusement.

However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
nothing but pure evil.

Like some vacuous fop at a fancy dress party, an alias hides and protects
the user from all responsibility and liability for their public crimes. The
urge to sin aplenty is irresistible to most.

An alias user can have many identities, switching between them at whim -
conducting one person conversations and even creating one person whole
threads.

The simple fact is that public anonymity combined with the ability to self
publish ANYTHING you like constitutes an implied licence to release one's
long suppressed " monsters from the id " .

And dear folks, here they all are, hordes of ugly monsters running around
like mad creating endless havoc on usenet.





......... Phil

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said:

> The way that people who use their real names have those very real
> names abused for sport is reason enough to keep an alias (and yes,
> this applies to Arnold Krueger as well).

Arnii likes being called Mr. ****.

[Lionel]

Phil Allison a écrit :

> dave "deaf" weil
>
>
>>The way that people who use their real names have those very real
>>names abused for sport is reason enough to keep an alias (and yes,
>>this applies to Arnold Krueger as well).
>
>
>
>
> ** Never heard the old saying about " Sticks and Stones ..... " - Dave
> ???
>
> My being dubbed Phyllistine , Phyllus, Philthy, Assillon and many equally
> creative variants thereon is cause for no more than mild amusement.
>
> However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
> nothing but pure evil.
>
> Like some vacuous fop at a fancy dress party, an alias hides and protects
> the user from all responsibility and liability for their public crimes. The
> urge to sin aplenty is irresistible to most.
>
> An alias user can have many identities, switching between them at whim -
> conducting one person conversations and even creating one person whole
> threads.
>
> The simple fact is that public anonymity combined with the ability to self
> publish ANYTHING you like constitutes an implied licence to release one's
> long suppressed " monsters from the id " .
>
> And dear folks, here they all are, hordes of ugly monsters running around
> like mad creating endless havoc on usenet.

You will note that his own inconsistency doesn't disturb Dave Weil
anymore...
He hasn't find a most innocent support than RAO to write his autobiography.
He hasn't find most innocent interlocutors than Arnold Krueger or me to
make his most private confessions.



OTOH I must recognize that he has the courage to sign with his real name
when he insults and mock my family...


--
Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?

Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500

[Stewart Pinkerton]

On 17 Dec 2005 14:57:42 -0800, wrote:

>Dear Mr Bear,
>
>Your campaign of stalking Mr Andre Jute is in itself a disgrace but
>that would not concern me overly much as Mr Jute is more than big
>enough to look after himself. If is perfectly clear that you are no
>match for Mr Jute, who laughs as he runs circles around you.
>
>What does concern me is the disgrace your despicable behaviour casts on
>an honorable profession. Perhaps, if you intend to continue on this
>course, you will stop telling us so frequently that you are "an
>engineer".
>
>Mr Jute's tube amplifier circuits are published for all to use. They
>have been built by distinguished engineers in Germany and Italy known
>to me personally, who speak well of them. I have also built Mr Jute's
>designs. Where are your circuits for us to evaluate and build, Mr Bear?
>
>Yours sincerely,
>
>Frank B.

What is disgraceful, is Jute's moral cowardice in assembling an army
of lying sycophantic sockpuppets to hide behind. Of course, since
there's no other way anyone will appear to regard him with any favour
whatever, the motivation is obvious.....................

The really scary thing is that this braindead old sociopath seems to
believe that there are people out there who will actually consider
'Frank B' to be a real person!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

[Stewart Pinkerton]

On 17 Dec 2005 18:41:29 -0800, "Andre Jute" > wrote:

>
wrote:
>> Dear Mr Bear,
>>
>> Your campaign of stalking Mr Andre Jute is in itself a disgrace but
>> that would not concern me overly much as Mr Jute is more than big
>> enough to look after himself. If is perfectly clear that you are no
>> match for Mr Jute, who laughs as he runs circles around you.
>
>You're wasting your breath, Frank. Graham Excrement has not the
>faintest idea of professional behaviour.
>
>> What does concern me is the disgrace your despicable behaviour casts on
>> an honorable profession. Perhaps, if you intend to continue on this
>> course, you will stop telling us so frequently that you are "an
>> engineer".
>
>If this tenth-rather Poopie were any kind of an engineer he would
>demonstrate it by analysis of something I've published. Instead he
>follows me around like lovesick puppy trying to sniff my shorts. What
>sort of an engineer has to tell people ten times a day that he has a
>diploma?
>
>> Mr Jute's tube amplifier circuits are published for all to use. They
>> have been built by distinguished engineers in Germany and Italy known
>> to me personally, who speak well of them. I have also built Mr Jute's
>> designs. Where are your circuits for us to evaluate and build, Mr Bear?
>
>Graham Poopie Bear admits to studying the materials on my netsite. He
>has not offerred any analysis of what I have written or of the circuits
>there published. Instead he claims the technical material could not
>have been written by me, must have been ghostwritten. I kid you not.
>The man's a fool. If he knows anything about electronics, we haven't
>seen it. I doubt we will.
>
>> Yours sincerely,
>>
>> Frank B.
>
>Andre Jute

You do realise that talking to yourself this way is not the sign of a
healthy mind?.....................

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

[George M. Middius]

Pukey said:

> The really scary thing is that this braindead old sociopath seems to
> believe that there are people out there who will actually consider
> 'Frank B' to be a real person!

One question, Stewart: How many years and how many pounds did you spend
before suddenly realizing that audio is full of ripoffs?

[paul packer]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:02:23 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> wrote:


>However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
>nothing but pure evil.

And that's something you would know quite a lot about, Phil.

[dave weil]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:02:23 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil
>
>>
>> The way that people who use their real names have those very real
>> names abused for sport is reason enough to keep an alias (and yes,
>> this applies to Arnold Krueger as well).
>
>
>
>** Never heard the old saying about " Sticks and Stones ..... " - Dave
>???

Yes I have. And yet, that expression relates mostly to one on one type
confrontations.

>My being dubbed Phyllistine , Phyllus, Philthy, Assillon and many equally
>creative variants thereon is cause for no more than mild amusement.

And that's fine.
>However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
>nothing but pure evil.

It depends on how it's used. I don't see this particular person as
being particularly evil.

>Like some vacuous fop at a fancy dress party, an alias hides and protects
>the user from all responsibility and liability for their public crimes. The
>urge to sin aplenty is irresistible to most.

Do you really think that this person has committed "crimes"? Really?

Once again, you might find associating someone's name with pedophilia
in a public forum "mild amusement". I don't, just for an example. So
is it any wonder why someone might not want their name easily
associated with traits that they don't have anything to do with,
simply because they want to hold a person up to ridicule. It's a
dragon eating its tail anyway.


>An alias user can have many identities, switching between them at whim -
>conducting one person conversations and even creating one person whole
>threads.

Yes, and they especially relish going after "real people". So is it
any wonder that more and more "real people" use a reasonable defense
against this practice?

>The simple fact is that public anonymity combined with the ability to self
>publish ANYTHING you like constitutes an implied licence to release one's
>long suppressed " monsters from the id " .

Against "real people".

>And dear folks, here they all are, hordes of ugly monsters running around
>like mad creating endless havoc on usenet.

I don't disagree. I'm simply saying why I see people attampting to
shield themselves from "the monsters", as you put it.

<shrug>

[dave weil]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:32:04 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>Phil Allison a écrit :
>
>> dave "deaf" weil
>>
>>
>>>The way that people who use their real names have those very real
>>>names abused for sport is reason enough to keep an alias (and yes,
>>>this applies to Arnold Krueger as well).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ** Never heard the old saying about " Sticks and Stones ..... " - Dave
>> ???
>>
>> My being dubbed Phyllistine , Phyllus, Philthy, Assillon and many equally
>> creative variants thereon is cause for no more than mild amusement.
>>
>> However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
>> nothing but pure evil.
>>
>> Like some vacuous fop at a fancy dress party, an alias hides and protects
>> the user from all responsibility and liability for their public crimes. The
>> urge to sin aplenty is irresistible to most.
>>
>> An alias user can have many identities, switching between them at whim -
>> conducting one person conversations and even creating one person whole
>> threads.
>>
>> The simple fact is that public anonymity combined with the ability to self
>> publish ANYTHING you like constitutes an implied licence to release one's
>> long suppressed " monsters from the id " .
>>
>> And dear folks, here they all are, hordes of ugly monsters running around
>> like mad creating endless havoc on usenet.
>
>You will note that his own inconsistency doesn't disturb Dave Weil
>anymore...

I'm not inconsistent at all.

>He hasn't find a most innocent support than RAO to write his autobiography.

Whatever THAT means.

>He hasn't find most innocent interlocutors than Arnold Krueger or me to
>make his most private confessions.

I don't mind being forthright when necessary. And I don't mind wearing
my feelings on my sleeve, and I don't apologize for it. Sorry that you
don't like it. And yet, you read away. Now comes the gratuitous train
wreck comment from you (or Arnold through you if, and only if, you or
someone else responds to this post - ironic that I seem to wield the
power to determine when and how Arnold posts...)

>OTOH I must recognize that he has the courage to sign with his real name
>when he insults and mock my family...

Frankly, I'm going to defend myself from your absurity with absurity
of my own. You are so pious defending YOUR tactics against me; I'm
surprised that you don't see my own "piousness" (as Arnold would say,
there's something about oxes and goring). You see it as simple sport.
So be it. You made it quite personal long ago because I offended some
odd Franconian sensibility of yours. So don't whine when you get it
back. Maybe this whining is part of the reason that you have to find
solace on RAO because of the fragmenting of your family. The fact that
I haven't stooped to using your real name to start insulting threads
simply shows the contempt that I hold for that tactic.

You can stop it anytime you want.

[Phil Allison]

"paul packer"
"Phil Allison"
>
>>However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
>>nothing but pure evil.
>
> And that's something you would know quite a lot about, Phil.



** Are you claiming that I have used an alias ?

If so - that is yet another of your massive and insane lies.

Put up or shut up, you vile puke head.

Or would you prefer me to ask Gladys ??



......... Phil

[George M. Middius]

Phil Allison said:

> Put up or shut up, you vile puke head.

I think that language is a bit strong to use on paulie. He seems jovial, if
misguided, and he's definitely not a 'borg. A bit proud of his penury,
perhaps.

[Phil Allison]

"George M. Middius"
>
>> Put up or shut up, you vile puke head.
>
> I think that language is a bit strong to use on paulie.


** It will be snowing in hell long before the day comes when Middiarse has
the bloody faintest what he is saying.

**** off - fool.



........ Phil

[George M. Middius]

Phillison said:

> >> Put up or shut up, you vile puke head.

> > I think that language is a bit strong to use on paulie.

> ** It will be snowing in hell long before the day comes when Middiarse

Dear me, I've been peed upon by the cacaphilious Phillison. My only question
for you, Your Nastiness, is whether "Middiarse" is worse in your peculiar
lexicon of calumny than "vile puke head". My guess is it's not as bad, but
it's you, not I, who is foremost in the field of unmitigated biliousness.

paulie, if you're still out there, no need to fulfill my earlier request for
evidence of Philthy Phil's turpitude. It speaks for itself. Even Lionella
should be awed by this creature's malignant explosions of rancor and
contrariness.

[Phil Allison]

"George M. Middius"


** It will be snowing in hell long before the day ever comes when that
cretin
Middiarse has the bloody faintest what he is saying to anyone.

**** off - you sickening, autistic moron.





........ Phil

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Dear Mr Bear,
>
> Your campaign of stalking Mr Andre Jute is in itself a disgrace but
> that would not concern me overly much as Mr Jute is more than big
> enough to look after himself. If is perfectly clear that you are no
> match for Mr Jute, who laughs as he runs circles around you.
>
Anothe one of Jute's sockpuppet's is praisnig him, what a surprise.


> What does concern me is the disgrace your despicable behaviour casts on
> an honorable profession.

When did professional lar and fool becom honorable?

Perhaps, if you intend to continue on this
> course, you will stop telling us so frequently that you are "an
> engineer".
>
> Mr Jute's tube amplifier circuits are published for all to use. They
> have been built by distinguished engineers in Germany and Italy known
> to me personally, who speak well of them. I have also built Mr Jute's
> designs. Where are your circuits for us to evaluate and build, Mr Bear?
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Frank B.
>
Frankly bull****.

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> OTOH I must recognize that he has the courage to sign with his real name
> when he insults and mock my family...
>

LOL!!!

[Phil E. Stein]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...
>
> "dave weil
>
>>
>> The way that people who use their real names have those very real
>> names abused for sport is reason enough to keep an alias (and yes,
>> this applies to Arnold Krueger as well).
>
>
>
> ** Never heard the old saying about " Sticks and Stones ..... " -
> Dave ???
>
> My being dubbed Phyllistine , Phyllus, Philthy, Assillon and many equally
> creative variants thereon is cause for no more than mild amusement.
>
> However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
> nothing but pure evil.
>
> Like some vacuous fop at a fancy dress party, an alias hides and protects
> the user from all responsibility and liability for their public crimes.
> The urge to sin aplenty is irresistible to most.
>

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Phil E. Stein]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...
>
> "paul packer"
> "Phil Allison"
>>
>>>However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
>>>nothing but pure evil.
>>
>> And that's something you would know quite a lot about, Phil.
>
>
>
> ** Are you claiming that I have used an alias ?
>
> If so - that is yet another of your massive and insane lies.
>
> Put up or shut up, you vile puke head.
>
> Or would you prefer me to ask Gladys ??
>
>

Are you a Pip?

[paul packer]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:20:14 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> wrote:

>
>"paul packer"
> "Phil Allison"
>>
>>>However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
>>>nothing but pure evil.
>>
>> And that's something you would know quite a lot about, Phil.
>
>
>
>** Are you claiming that I have used an alias ?

Evil, Phil. Evil is something you would know a lot about. Using an
alias would do you no good as we'd recognise your sickening
gutter-level abuse instantly, whatever you called yourself.

[paul packer]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:30:36 -0500, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>Phillison said:
>
>> >> Put up or shut up, you vile puke head.
>
>> > I think that language is a bit strong to use on paulie.
>
>> ** It will be snowing in hell long before the day comes when Middiarse
>
>Dear me, I've been peed upon by the cacaphilious Phillison. My only question
>for you, Your Nastiness, is whether "Middiarse" is worse in your peculiar
>lexicon of calumny than "vile puke head". My guess is it's not as bad, but
>it's you, not I, who is foremost in the field of unmitigated biliousness.
>
>paulie, if you're still out there, no need to fulfill my earlier request for
>evidence of Philthy Phil's turpitude. It speaks for itself. Even Lionella
>should be awed by this creature's malignant explosions of rancor and
>contrariness.

Ok, so now you've met the bane of Usenet, the source of all fear and
loathing, he who's name cannot be spoken aloud for fear of arousing
the Evil Ones. Don't say you weren't warned.

[Phil Allison]

"paul packer"

> Evil, Phil. Evil is something you would know a lot about.


** Having your PC loaded up with child porn is considered * evil* by the
law and all decent folk.

But not a low **** like Paul Packer.


Says it all, really.




........... Phil

[Clyde Slick]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...
>


> ** Having your PC loaded up with child porn is considered * evil* by the
> law and all decent folk.
>


"at least" you agree with out assessment of Mr. ****.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

> Evil, Phil. Evil is something you would know a lot about. Using an
> alias would do you no good as we'd recognise your sickening
> gutter-level abuse instantly, whatever you called yourself.

He's quite a ways on the duh-Mikey side of the IQ divide also, isn't he.

[Phil Allison]

"Clyde Slick"


** Kiddie ****er...




........ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"George M. Middius"



** Confidant and lover of the worst criminal garbage that exists.


Guess why .......





....... Phil

[George M. Middius]

Cacaphiliac Phillison said:

> Guess why .......

That's a tough one, Caca. Here are my guesses:

(1) Because you're choking on a mouthful of pubic hair.

(2) Because your mommy withheld your allowance again.

(3) Because your new coloring book doesn't have numbers to guide you.


It must be one of those. It always is. ;-)

[Phil Allison]

"George M. Middius"

= AUTISTIC ****WIT

[George M. Middius]

Cacaphiliac Phillison said:

> = AUTISTIC

Medical professionals are devoting increasing energy and resources to
understanding and treating autism. As with other seemingly intractable
diseases, forward-thinking scientists are envisioning possible ways to cure
or ameliorate this affliction.

I'm sure the notion that autism need not be a permanent condition causes you
unease, Caca. Maybe you can join duh-Mikey in one of his famous head-bashing
sessions. So far, the cinderblocks always seem to win the day, but with you
on Mikey's side, an upset is a live possibility. Just don't grab Mikey's
worms if you know what's good for you.

[Phil Allison]

""George M. Middius"


= AUTISTIC ****WIT




........ Phil

[paul packer]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:59:23 -0500, "Phil E. Stein"
> wrote:

>
>"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "paul packer"
>> "Phil Allison"
>>>
>>>>However, the practise of using an alias on usenet is associated with
>>>>nothing but pure evil.
>>>
>>> And that's something you would know quite a lot about, Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>> ** Are you claiming that I have used an alias ?
>>
>> If so - that is yet another of your massive and insane lies.
>>
>> Put up or shut up, you vile puke head.
>>
>> Or would you prefer me to ask Gladys ??
>>
>>
>
>Are you a Pip?

No, a P.A.P.

(Paul A. Packer). :-)

[paul packer]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:29:13 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> wrote:

>
>"Clyde Slick"
>
>
>** Kiddie ****er...

Join the club, Art. In Phil's sick mind there are thousands of us, all
stalking children and keeping their pictures on our hard drives.
Indeed, he's identified most of aus.hi-fi as paedophiles, so clearly
the police in Australia aren't needed so long as Phil's on the job.
And when the full moon comes around again, Phil will identify most of
RAO as paedophiles as well.

Trust me. ;-)

[paul packer]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:46:22 -0500, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>paul packer said:
>
>> Evil, Phil. Evil is something you would know a lot about. Using an
>> alias would do you no good as we'd recognise your sickening
>> gutter-level abuse instantly, whatever you called yourself.
>
>He's quite a ways on the duh-Mikey side of the IQ divide also, isn't he.

Let's say, just clever enough to be dangerous, George.

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

> And when the full moon comes around again, Phil will identify most of
> RAO as paedophiles as well.

How come Caca called me "AUTISTIC ****WIT" and he called you "vile puke
head"?

[Phil Allison]

"paul packer"
>
> Join the club, Art. In Phil's sick mind there are thousands of us, all
> stalking children and keeping their pictures on our hard drives.


** Paul Packer TOLD all the readers at "aus.hi-fi" on October, 1 2004
about having his hard drive full of JPEGs of naked boys. Here is the post:


" ** Got a nice collection of J-PEGs on your PC ???

Yes, pictures of naked boys being caned--onto whose heads I
superimpose your face. "



> Indeed, he's identified most of aus.hi-fi as paedophiles,


** Complete lie.

I " identified" just one.


> so clearly
> the police in Australia aren't needed so long as Phil's on the job.


** Asinine.



......... Phil

[Clyde Slick]

"paul packer" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:29:13 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Clyde Slick"
>>
>>
>>** Kiddie ****er...
>
> Join the club, Art. In Phil's sick mind there are thousands of us, all
> stalking children and keeping their pictures on our hard drives.
> Indeed, he's identified most of aus.hi-fi as paedophiles, so clearly
> the police in Australia aren't needed so long as Phil's on the job.
> And when the full moon comes around again, Phil will identify most of
> RAO as paedophiles as well.
>
> Trust me. ;-)

Maybe Arny can share his hard drive with him.

[Stewart Pinkerton]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:59:35 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Pukey said:
>
>> The really scary thing is that this braindead old sociopath seems to
>> believe that there are people out there who will actually consider
>> 'Frank B' to be a real person!
>
>One question, Stewart: How many years and how many pounds did you spend
>before suddenly realizing that audio is full of ripoffs?

Too many, in both cases........... :-(
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

[paul packer]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:59:44 +1100, "Phil Allison"
> wrote:

>
>"paul packer"
>>
>> Join the club, Art. In Phil's sick mind there are thousands of us, all
>> stalking children and keeping their pictures on our hard drives.
>
>
>** Paul Packer TOLD all the readers at "aus.hi-fi" on October, 1 2004
>about having his hard drive full of JPEGs of naked boys. Here is the post:
>
>
> " ** Got a nice collection of J-PEGs on your PC ???
>
>Yes, pictures of naked boys being caned--onto whose heads I
>superimpose your face. "

Forget it, Phil. George is intelligent enough to recognise a flippant
rebuttal even if you aren't.

>> Indeed, he's identified most of aus.hi-fi as paedophiles,
>
>
>** Complete lie.
>
> I " identified" just one.

Wrong, Phil. You've been accusing Alan Rutlidge of being a paedophile
all year. Plus you just accused Art.

>> so clearly
>> the police in Australia aren't needed so long as Phil's on the job.
>
>
>** Asinine.

Certainly is, if the Police have to rely on your investigative skills.

[paul packer]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:44:43 -0500, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote:

>
>
>paul packer said:
>
>> And when the full moon comes around again, Phil will identify most of
>> RAO as paedophiles as well.
>
>How come Caca called me "AUTISTIC ****WIT" and he called you "vile puke
>head"?

You're going to psycho-analyse a complete psycho?

[Phil Allison]

"paul packer"
>>
>> Join the club, Art. In Phil's sick mind there are thousands of us, all
>>> stalking children and keeping their pictures on our hard drives.
>>
>>
>>** Paul Packer TOLD all the readers at "aus.hi-fi" on October, 1 2004
>>about having his hard drive full of JPEGs of naked boys. Here is the post:
>>
>>
>> " ** Got a nice collection of J-PEGs on your PC ???
>>
>>Yes, pictures of naked boys being caned--onto whose heads I
>>superimpose your face. "
>
> Forget it, Phil.


** YOU posted the claim and a follow up that was even worse.

YOU get to wear it - you ****ing ARSEHOLE !!!




>>> Indeed, he's identified most of aus.hi-fi as paedophiles,
>>
>>** Complete lie.
>>
>> I " identified" just one.
>
> Wrong, Phil.


** Complete LIE !!


> You've been accusing Alan Rutlidge of being a paedophile
> all year.


** They were no accusations.

BTW How is that more than one person ??



> Plus you just accused Art.


** Clyde Slick ???

Go away, you pathetic autistic fool.



.......... Phil

[Phil Allison]

"paul packer"


** The caravan haunting Vermin from 13 Tosca Drive, Gorokan.

A real **** hole if there ever was one.

And a real **** lives there.




......... Phil

[Lionel]

In >, paul packer wrote :


> You're going to psycho-analyse a complete psycho?


Middius life is totally dedicated to himself.



--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15