Failure to Hear the removal of sounds > 20 KHz (Again)

[Arny Krueger]

Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have kept
saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above 22 KHz isn't
a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of scientific papers
that agree with this idea:

Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual Discrimination
between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components Given
at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a month ago. This paper can be
ordered from the AES web site: www.aes.org .

This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series of
listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science & Technical
Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared the playback of
recordings with and without audio signals above 21 KHz.

19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used:

1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa"
2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
3 Meditation Vn, Pf
4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf
5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf
6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc
7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax
8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax
9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf
10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc
11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of only white
noise.
14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf
15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra
16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova)
17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova)
18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds")
19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds")
20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)

"First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus was
evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant difference
among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response rate for three sound
stimuli was close to the significance probability (5% level). It is
concluded that one subject attained a 75% correct response rate which
constituted a significant difference. In order to make a strict statistical
test, we conducted a supplementary test with this subject who had attained
the best correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six
kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20 times. As
a result, no significant difference was found among the sound stimuli, and
so this subject could not discriminate between these sound stimuli with and
without very high frequency components."

In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored substantially
better than random guessing, and when retested, he could not duplicate his
earlier results. This indicates that they were due to luck. In fact a study
of statisitics and actual experience suggests that with a group of 36
listeners, it is pretty certain that one or more listeners will get good
scores due to luck, that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested.

So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty much the
same results, provided you hold all other relevant variables equal.

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
> 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
> provided you hold all other relevant variables
> equal.
>
“relevant variables”... you have not demonstrated that.
Without knowing the exact methodology, subject
screening and training, equipment used, et cetera...
the results are interesting but not conclusive or even
necessarily scientific. Given it’s a Audio Engineering
Society paper I suspect this study had a near zero
budget and no leadership prominence.

[George M. Middius]

Powell said:

> > So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
> > 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
> > provided you hold all other relevant variables
> > equal.

> “relevant variables”... you have not demonstrated that.

Doesn't matter because Krooger can't lay his filthy paws on any
pennies.

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message


> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>

>> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have kept
>> saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above 22 KHz
isn't
>> a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of scientific papers
>> that agree with this idea:

>> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual
Discrimination
>> between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components
Given
>> at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a month ago. This paper can
be
>> ordered from the AES web site: www.aes.org .

>> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series of
>> listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science & Technical
>> Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared the playback of
>> recordings with and without audio signals above 21 KHz.

<biiiiig snip>

>> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
>> 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
>> provided you hold all other relevant variables
>> equal.

> "relevant variables"... you have not demonstrated that.

Powell, since you seem to be very weak on the concept, let me advise you
that this is one of the things that happens when you read the paper that was
cited. Copyright laws and newsgroup rules prohibit posting the whole thing.

> Without knowing the exact methodology, subject
> screening and training, equipment used, et cetera...
> the results are interesting but not conclusive or even
> necessarily scientific.

That's why I gave a proper cite of the paper I quoted, including how to
quickly get your very own copy for a nominal fee.

> Given it's a Audio Engineering
> Society paper I suspect this study had a near zero
> budget and no leadership prominence.

Big talk from a guy who just learned how to hook up XLR mic cables last
week, and is still struggling with trying to use a consumer sound card for
audio production purposes.

<folks, I kid you not!>

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message


> Powell said:

>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>

>>> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have
>>> kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound
>>> above 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long
>>> series of scientific papers that agree with this idea:
>>> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual
Discrimination
>>> between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency
>>> Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a
>>> month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site:
>>> www.aes.org .

>>> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a
>>> series of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science
>>> & Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests
>>> compared the playback of recordings with and without audio signals
>>> above 21 KHz.

<big snip>

>>> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
>>> 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
>>> provided you hold all other relevant variables
>>> equal.

>> "relevant variables"... you have not demonstrated that.

> Doesn't matter because Krooger can't lay his filthy paws on any pennies.

Ironic Middius given that I'm quoting the paper, and you can't afford to get
your own copy of it.

[Powell]

"George M. Middius" wrote

> > > So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
> > > 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
> > > provided you hold all other relevant variables
> > > equal.
>
> > "relevant variables"... you have not demonstrated that.
>
> Doesn't matter because Krooger can't lay his filthy
> paws on any pennies.
>
Hehehe... right! Maybe that's also the reason
he can't 'scrape-up' the yearly $60 membership
fee, too.

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message

> "George M. Middius" wrote
>
>>>> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
>>>> 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
>>>> provided you hold all other relevant variables
>>>> equal.
>>
>>> "relevant variables"... you have not demonstrated that.
>>
>> Doesn't matter because Krooger can't lay his filthy
>> paws on any pennies.

> Hehehe... right! Maybe that's also the reason
> he can't 'scrape-up' the yearly $60 membership
> fee, too.

Powell, this doesn't exactly sqaure with the observable facts, now does it?

I know that your clearly-demonstrated technical ignorance embarrasses and
humiliates you every time it comes to light because of all your past
braggadocio, but why are you making up lies?

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> >>>> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
> >>>> 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
> >>>> provided you hold all other relevant variables
> >>>> equal.
> >>
> >>> "relevant variables"... you have not demonstrated that.
> >>
> >> Doesn't matter because Krooger can't lay his filthy
> >> paws on any pennies.
>
> > Hehehe... right! Maybe that's also the reason
> > he can't 'scrape-up' the yearly $60 membership
> > fee, too.
>
> Powell, this doesn't exactly sqaure with the
> observable facts, now does it?
>
I don’t recall you ever saying (last seven years) that
you subscribed to any of the audio magazines. And
after your no-show with Atkinson you mentioned that
you intended to become a member of AES but you’ve
never done that either. You are not well read on the
periodicals of your hobby horse.

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> >> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
> >> 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
> >> provided you hold all other relevant variables
> >> equal.
>
> > "relevant variables"... you have not demonstrated that.
>
> Powell, since you seem to be very weak on the concept,
> let me advise you that this is one of the things that happens
> when you read the paper that was cited. Copyright laws
> and newsgroup rules prohibit posting the whole thing.
>
More excuses or should I say... quack, quack, quack.


> > Without knowing the exact methodology, subject
> > screening and training, equipment used, et cetera...
> > the results are interesting but not conclusive or even
> > necessarily scientific.
>
> That's why I gave a proper cite of the paper I quoted,
> including how to quickly get your very own copy for a
> nominal fee.
>
You brought this subject to the floor... "stand and
deliver."


> > Given it's a Audio Engineering
> > Society paper I suspect this study had a near zero
> > budget and no leadership prominence.
>
> Big talk from a guy who just learned how to hook
> up XLR mic cables last week, and is still struggling
> with trying to use a consumer sound card for
> audio production purposes.
>
This is just another diversion tactic away from
the topic. You can run away now.

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message


> "Arny Krueger" wrote

>>> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have
>>> kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound
>>> above 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long
>>> series of scientific papers that agree with this idea:
>>> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual
Discrimination
>>> between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency
>>> Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a
>>> month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site:
>>> www.aes.org .

>>> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a
>>> series of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science
>>> & Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests
>>> compared the playback of recordings with and without audio signals
>>> above 21 KHz.

>>> "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus
was
>>> evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant
difference
>>> among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response rate for three
sound
>>> stimuli was close to the significance probability (5% level). It is
>>> concluded that one subject attained a 75% correct response rate which
>>> constituted a significant difference. In order to make a strict
statistical
>>> test, we conducted a supplementary test with this subject who had
attained
>>> the best correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated
six
>>> kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20
times. As
>>> a result, no significant difference was found among the sound stimuli,
and
>>> so this subject could not discriminate between these sound stimuli with
and
>>> without very high frequency components."

>>>>>> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to
>>>>>> 24/96 and get pretty much the same results,
>>>>>> provided you hold all other relevant variables
>>>>>> equal.

>>>>> "relevant variables"... you have not demonstrated that.

>>>> Powell, since you seem to be very weak on the concept, let me advise
you
>>>> that this is one of the things that happens when you read the paper
that was
>>>> cited. Copyright laws and newsgroup rules prohibit posting the whole
thing.

>>>> Doesn't matter because Krooger can't lay his filthy
>>>> paws on any pennies.

>>> Hehehe... right! Maybe that's also the reason
>>> he can't 'scrape-up' the yearly $60 membership
>>> fee, too.

>> Powell, this doesn't exactly sqaure with the
>> observable facts, now does it?

> I don't recall you ever saying (last seven years) that
> you subscribed to any of the audio magazines.

Why would audio magazine subscriptions be a reliable indicator of my
financial status?

Whether it makes financial sense or not, it's my preference to buy selected
issues of certain consumer audio magazines rather than subscribe to them. I
live within easy walking distance of a Barnes & Nobles bookstore, so its
easy for me to browse them before I buy. The economics of doing this are
questionable, given that for example I can subscribe to Stereophile or S&V
for about a year for about the same dollars as buying two issues over the
counter. I already subscribe to Time, Atlantic, Wired, Business Week,
Forbes, PC Magazine, Computer Shopper, Money, etc., and just handling the
weekly load of waste paper is getting to be a pain.

>And after your no-show with Atkinson you mentioned that
> you intended to become a member of AES but you've
> never done that either.

Since this statement is contingent on an imaginary event, it's unworthy of
my time to discuss any further.

> You are not well read on the periodicals of your hobby horse.

Powell, how does that square with the observable facts, being that I've
often posted direct quotes from various periodicals including the JAES and
AES conference papers, while you're a total no-show?

[normanstrong]

>
> In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored
substantially
> better than random guessing, and when retested, he could not
duplicate his
> earlier results. This indicates that they were due to luck. In fact
a study
> of statisitics and actual experience suggests that with a group of
36
> listeners, it is pretty certain that one or more listeners will get
good
> scores due to luck, that they won't be able to duplicate when
re-tested.

Not to put too fine a point on it, if 36 people take a test, the odds
that at least one of them will get statistically significant results
due to luck alone (p=.05) is 5:1 in favor. I wouldn't call that
"pretty certain", but I'd go for pretty good.

Norm Strong

[George M. Middius]

PD said:

> Significantly, Mr Krueger has invested a great deal of time and energy
> into "double blind" methodology, dating back to the mid to late
> 1970's, including designing apparatus and conditions to support his
> beliefs, and associating himself closely with others of similar
> narrow-minded persuasion. This provides him with sufficient motivation
> to be biased with regard to the efficacy of double blind testing as
> applied to audio subjects, particularly in the consumer orientated
> arena.

Also noteworthy is that Mr. **** has apparently been auditioning for a
job -- any job -- in the audio industry for going on 30 years now, and
all he has to show for it is a large pile of outdated sound cards and
what may be the world's ****tiest Web sites.

Krooger kalls himself an "audio professional". However, the truth
tells a different story: Laughed at by electronics engineers, software
engineers, and testing engineers. Derided as ignorant and incompetent
by real music producers. Banned from a free, open-to-all newsgroup
whose virtues Turdy has trumpeted for years. Shunned by every human
being with any degree of social awareness.

Arnii Krooger is the definitive audio train wreck.

[Arny Krueger]

"Glans, I" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have
>> kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above
>> 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of
>> scientific papers that agree with this idea:
>>
>> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual
>> Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High
>> Frequency Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York
>> about a month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site:
>> www.aes.org .
>>
>> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a
>> series of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science &
>> Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared
>> the playback of recordings with and without audio signals above 21
>> KHz.
>>
>> 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used:
>>
>> 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa"
>> 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>> 3 Meditation Vn, Pf
>> 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf
>> 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf
>> 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc
>> 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax
>> 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax
>> 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf
>> 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc
>> 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
>> 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
>> 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of
>> only white noise.
>> 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf
>> 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra
>> 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova)
>> 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova)
>> 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds")
>> 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds")
>> 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>>
>> "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each
>> stimulus was evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no
>> significant difference among the sound stimuli, but that the correct
>> response rate for three sound stimuli was close to the significance
>> probability (5% level). It is concluded that one subject attained a
>> 75% correct response rate which constituted a significant
>> difference. In order to make a strict statistical test, we conducted
>> a supplementary test with this subject who had attained the best
>> correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six
>> kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20
>> times. As a result, no significant difference was found among the
>> sound stimuli, and so this subject could not discriminate between
>> these sound stimuli with and without very high frequency
>> components."
>>
>> In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored
>> substantially better than random guessing, and when retested, he
>> could not duplicate his earlier results. This indicates that they
>> were due to luck. In fact a study of statisitics and actual
>> experience suggests that with a group of 36 listeners, it is pretty
>> certain that one or more listeners will get good scores due to luck,
>> that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested.
>>
>> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty
>> much the same results, provided you hold all other relevant
>> variables equal.
>
> Readers may wish to note that Krueger is resistant to data which does
> not support his "orthodox" views on audio, derived from antiquated
> research dating back to the 1930's.

I also promote my "orthodox" views about Calculus, dating back to Isaac
Newton and Gottfried Liebniz in the late 1600's.

;-)

> Mr Krueger intentionally promotes *his* views on audio,

What's wrong with that?

> suppressing opposing views,

How does one supress opposing views in a context of free speech?

> rather than addressing the subject in an rational, objective, scientific
manner.

I suppose that this hysterical ranting of yours Dormer is supposed to be an
example of a rational, objective, scientific manner?

LOL!

> Thus, we see the example above, a "failure to hear.." "again".


> The results support his *expectations*,

It is true that if one does a variety of experiments in a variety of ways
and obtains similar results, one starts having expectcations. For example, I
take my shoes off, hold them a few feet off the ground, and drop them. I
have this silly expectation that they will drop to the floor. Silly me!

> therefore he is gleefully willing
> to post them in a public arena with his ridiculous, pompous,
> overreaching assertions based on the outcome of a limited trial.

And the equally-valid contrary data is where?


> Significantly, Mr Krueger has invested a great deal of time and energy
> into "double blind" methodology, dating back to the mid to late
> 1970's,

Right, I took the Golden Ears side of the "Great debate" and well, kinda
sorta was proven wrong.

> including designing apparatus and conditions to support his
> beliefs,

Yup, I demanded that the listening tests be as fair and objective as
possible in hopes that they would support my beliefs that most amplifiers
sounded different. Look where all that fairness and objectivity got me!

> and associating himself closely with others of similar
> narrow-minded persuasion.

Yes, I thought the guys who thought all amplifiers sounded different were
kinda crazy. I was out to prove them wrong, so I demanded that every
relevant scientific control be used in the experiments that we performed.

> This provides him with sufficient motivation
> to be biased with regard to the efficacy of double blind testing as
> applied to audio subjects, particularly in the consumer orientated
> arena.

Me, the Federal Government, and zillions of other people who pursue science
seem to have this bias. Can it be cured? Should it be cured?

> My experience based on a double blind testing trial for a drug
> research facility, and views imparted by world leading experts who
> worked on that program, illuminated the fact that audio double blind
> testing methodologies are *typically* woefully inadequate, crude and
> basic in their application.

I'm sure we are all awaiting a detailed critique of the referenced article
by Mr. Dormer...

>When Mr Krueger was confronted with the
> probability that these tests could be enhanced with the use of
> technologies such as mFIR or similar objective means of assessment, Mr
> Krueger and his cohorts reacted with hostility, disbelief or silence.

Being as this is the first I've ever heard of mFIR that had to be a really
impressive confrontation...

BTW, what does mFIR stand for and where can I read about it?

> However, readers may wish to consider the implications of the
> following report, and let's note for the record that Mr Krueger is
> aware of this paper and has suppressed it in his pronouncements.

> http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/kumigashira/jnp-hse.pdf

Oh yes, the paper where the listening tests involved audible differences
below 20 KHz, and attributed the differences heard to only the differences
above 20 KHz.

> Mr Krueger has failed to grasp the subtle intricacies and limitations
> of double blind methodology for authoritative conclusion, has
> disregarded it's inapplicability to the gestalt nature of consumer
> audio, and rather chooses to employ what George M. Middius has
> described as The Cyborg's High-Predictability "Scientific" Method,
> which I have duplicated below.

Yes, we have the writings of that well-known scientific maven George
Middius. Those who are so inclined might search google for "George Middius"
to find out more about his curriculum vitae.

If you want a real thrill, try searching on "Middius" at

http://www.infospace.com/_1_8GBTIC02KFUSHO__info.loc411/wp/index.htm

You'll find that there is no Middius in the entire US with a listed phone
number. Try that with just about any other real-world last name you can
think of. Reach your own conclusions.

> [Readers may also note that Mr Krueger has caused considerable
> consternation with his twisted interpretations of audio subjects in
> the moderated forum rec.audio.high-end, such that he is no longer a
> welcome participant to that group.]

> Cyborg's High-Predictability "Scientific" Method by George M. Middius

> 1. Decide what conclusion you want to reach. It's best to do this at
> the outset -- it simplifies your experiments and eliminates the need
> for all that time-consuming hypothesizing.
>
> 2. Line up the data that support your premise and invent
> rationalizations to show that these data are "better" than the rest.
> Also, if time permits, jot down some notes on why data reported by
> people with whom you disagree shouldn't be considered in your
> "experiments".

> 3. No hypothesizing is necessary because the desired conclusion is
> already known, so go on to the experiments.

> 4. Set up an experiment that is bound and certain to reinforce your
> desired conclusion.

> 5. If people are watching, pretend to run the "experiment". Make sure
> to fake a demeanor of impartiality and devotion to truth.

> 6. Promulgate the results of your "science" as noisily and as
> obnoxiously as possible. Be especially thorough in shouting down and
> ridiculing anyone who criticizes your hypothesis (chuckle), your
> method, or your conclusion. Experience has shown that you can usually
> deflect criticism, no matter how well-founded it is in reality, by
> impugning the motives of your critics.

> 7. Sit back, complacent and smug, and trumpet to all and sundry that
> you've "proved" your theory and that no more "science" need be brought
> to bear on this issue.

Interestingly enough this procedure, if diligently applied fully justifies
the use of sighted evaluations of audio gear...

[Arny Krueger]

"Glans, I" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> Whether it makes financial sense or not, it's my preference to buy
>> selected issues of certain consumer audio magazines rather than
>> subscribe to them. I live within easy walking distance of a Barnes &
>> Nobles bookstore, so its easy for me to browse them before I buy.
>
> Yet, on 22nd October 2003 Mr Krueger wrote :
>
>>> Please explain. AFAIK the consensus points at a time that coincides
>>> with the charter issue of TAS.
>>
>> Substitute "Stereophile" and you might be right.
>
> "Speaking as a charter subscriber to both magazines, I don't think so.
>
> Weil, could you have even read the charter issue of Stereophile when
> it first came out, let alone been allowed to have enough money to
> subscribe to it without an adult's involvement?"

The youngest of the two magazines I was a charter subscriber to, The
Absolute Sound was founded in 1973. It should be no surprise to anybody,
that in 30 years, I have changed my preferences vis-a-vis audio magazine
subscriptions.

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

> PD said:
>
>> Significantly, Mr Krueger has invested a great deal of time and
>> energy into "double blind" methodology, dating back to the mid to
>> late 1970's, including designing apparatus and conditions to support
>> his beliefs, and associating himself closely with others of similar
>> narrow-minded persuasion. This provides him with sufficient
>> motivation to be biased with regard to the efficacy of double blind
>> testing as applied to audio subjects, particularly in the consumer
>> orientated arena.

> Also noteworthy is that Mr. **** has apparently been auditioning for a
> job -- any job -- in the audio industry for going on 30 years now,

That's a laugh!

> and all he has to show for it is a large pile of outdated sound cards and
> what may be the world's ****tiest Web sites.

BTW Middius, what do you have to your credit except thousands of posts that
inpugn your intelligence?

> Krooger kalls himself an "audio professional".

Darn that Krooger chap. Never met him!

> However, the truth
> tells a different story: Laughed at by electronics engineers, software
> engineers, and testing engineers. Derided as ignorant and incompetent
> by real music producers. Banned from a free, open-to-all newsgroup
> whose virtues Turdy has trumpeted for years. Shunned by every human
> being with any degree of social awareness.

Yes, that's the reason why I've been elected as an officer of several
good-sized fraternal organizations over the years.

> Arnii Krooger is the definitive audio train wreck.

Darn that Krooger chap. Never met him!

[The Big Cheese]

George,

You're wrong.

There is a permanent job offer for Mr. Krueger to be the head producer
at Coral Seas Studios if he'd care to fill out the immigration papers as
a first step towards employment.

I believe he and BWRIAAWHINE would make a splendid team working together!

The Big Cheese

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> PD said:
>
>
>>Significantly, Mr Krueger has invested a great deal of time and energy
>>into "double blind" methodology, dating back to the mid to late
>>1970's, including designing apparatus and conditions to support his
>>beliefs, and associating himself closely with others of similar
>>narrow-minded persuasion. This provides him with sufficient motivation
>>to be biased with regard to the efficacy of double blind testing as
>>applied to audio subjects, particularly in the consumer orientated
>>arena.
>
>
> Also noteworthy is that Mr. **** has apparently been auditioning for a
> job -- any job -- in the audio industry for going on 30 years now, and
> all he has to show for it is a large pile of outdated sound cards and
> what may be the world's ****tiest Web sites.
>
> Krooger kalls himself an "audio professional". However, the truth
> tells a different story: Laughed at by electronics engineers, software
> engineers, and testing engineers. Derided as ignorant and incompetent
> by real music producers. Banned from a free, open-to-all newsgroup
> whose virtues Turdy has trumpeted for years. Shunned by every human
> being with any degree of social awareness.
>
> Arnii Krooger is the definitive audio train wreck.
>
>

[Arny Krueger]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message

> George,
>
> You're wrong.
>
> There is a permanent job offer for Mr. Krueger to be the head producer
> at Coral Seas Studios if he'd care to fill out the immigration papers
> as a first step towards employment.

About as close as Coral Sears Studios will ever get to having a head
producer is if they move to a boat.

;-)

[The Big Cheese]

Well I'm certain you would qualify for the job of head cleaner instead
of head producer and given your employment history (or lack thereof) I'm
certain you'd do a bang up job, Arny.

You ARE EXTREMELY qualified for this position as you would neither
require nor need cleaning tools or cleaning chemicals, so go for it, big
boy. You can probably raise the one-way airfare from many of us here in
the group.

The Big Cheese

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
>
>
>>George,
>>
>>You're wrong.
>>
>>There is a permanent job offer for Mr. Krueger to be the head producer
>>at Coral Seas Studios if he'd care to fill out the immigration papers
>>as a first step towards employment.
>
>
> About as close as Coral Sears Studios will ever get to having a head
> producer is if they move to a boat.
>
> ;-)
>
>

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>BTW Middius, what do you have to your credit except thousands of posts that
>inpugn your intelligence?

There is no such word as inpugn. Apprantly you forgot to use your spell
checker.

Boon

[George M. Middius]

Marc Phillips said to ****-for-Brains:

> There is no such word as inpugn. Apprantly you forgot to use your spell
> checker.

Arnii has a world-class turd checker, but there's no market for it.
What a shame that is.

[The Big Cheese]

Arny lives out to the sticks, in the boonies of redneck country
Michigan. I hear tell the boy don't even have indoor plumbing (probably
don't have none of his own, either). Thas probably why hiz system sound
like crap! Heh Heh.

The boy don't know whut a speal checkup is, I reckon.

The Bad Spealer Cheeesee

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Arny said:
>
>
>>BTW Middius, what do you have to your credit except thousands of posts that
>>inpugn your intelligence?
>
>
> There is no such word as inpugn. Apprantly you forgot to use your spell
> checker.
>
> Boon

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have kept
> saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above 22 KHz
isn't
> a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of scientific papers
> that agree with this idea:
>
> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual Discrimination
> between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components
Given
> at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a month ago. This paper can
be
> ordered from the AES web site: www.aes.org .
>
> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series of
> listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science & Technical
> Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared the playback of
> recordings with and without audio signals above 21 KHz.
>
> 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used:
>
> 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa"
> 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
> 3 Meditation Vn, Pf
> 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf
> 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf
> 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc
> 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax
> 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax
> 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf
> 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc
> 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
> 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
> 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of only
white
> noise.
> 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf
> 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra
> 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova)
> 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova)
> 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds")
> 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds")
> 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>
> "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus was
> evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant difference
> among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response rate for three
sound
> stimuli was close to the significance probability (5% level). It is
> concluded that one subject attained a 75% correct response rate which
> constituted a significant difference. In order to make a strict
statistical
> test, we conducted a supplementary test with this subject who had attained
> the best correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six
> kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20 times.
As
> a result, no significant difference was found among the sound stimuli, and
> so this subject could not discriminate between these sound stimuli with
and
> without very high frequency components."
>
> In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored substantially
> better than random guessing, and when retested, he could not duplicate his
> earlier results. This indicates that they were due to luck. In fact a
study
> of statisitics and actual experience suggests that with a group of 36
> listeners, it is pretty certain that one or more listeners will get good
> scores due to luck, that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested.
>
> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty much the
> same results, provided you hold all other relevant variables equal.
>
>

more bad science.
What differences 'could' the group hear, all other variable being equal?




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Powell" > wrote in message
...

Powell says to Arny:

>. You are not well read on the
> periodicals of your hobby horse.
>


http://www.hazards.org/toiletbreaks/

http://www.usaweekend.com/02_issues/020630/020630housesmart.html

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[tor b]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >...

<big snip>

> Yes, we have the writings of that well-known scientific maven George
> Middius. Those who are so inclined might search google for "George Middius"
> to find out more about his curriculum vitae.
>
> If you want a real thrill, try searching on "Middius" at
>
> http://www.infospace.com/_1_8GBTIC02KFUSHO__info.loc411/wp/index.htm
>
> You'll find that there is no Middius in the entire US with a listed phone
> number. Try that with just about any other real-world last name you can
> think of. Reach your own conclusions.
>

You won't find "George Middius at Locate America, either:

http://www.locateamerica.com

So we all pretty much know that "George M. Middius" is an alias. The
question is: Why does "George" insist that it is his 'real' name and
call others using aliases "anonymous coward", "YACA", etc.?

[Arny Krueger]

"tor b" > wrote in message
om
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >...

> <big snip>

>> Yes, we have the writings of that well-known scientific maven George
>> Middius. Those who are so inclined might search google for "George
>> Middius" to find out more about his curriculum vitae.

>> If you want a real thrill, try searching on "Middius" at

>> http://www.infospace.com/_1_8GBTIC02KFUSHO__info.loc411/wp/index.htm

>> You'll find that there is no Middius in the entire US with a listed
>> phone number. Try that with just about any other real-world last
>> name you can think of. Reach your own conclusions.

> You won't find "George Middius at Locate America, either:

> http://www.locateamerica.com

> So we all pretty much know that "George M. Middius" is an alias. The
> question is: Why does "George" insist that it is his 'real' name and
> call others using aliases "anonymous coward", "YACA", etc.?

It's all about telling the biggest lie.

[Joseph Oberlander]

The difference isn't in the end-product but that 24/96 makes the
engineering almost idiot-proof and raised dynamic range to more
realistic levels.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Yes, that's the reason why I've been elected as an officer of several
> good-sized fraternal organizations over the years.
>

Should we congratulate you on your election to the board of the
Detroit chapter of NAMBLA?




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[George M. Middius]

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

> > Yes, that's the reason why I've been elected as an officer of several
> > good-sized fraternal organizations over the years.

> Should we congratulate you on your election to the board of the
> Detroit chapter of NAMBLA?

I have a feeling Krooger boasts of these great achievements because
he's willing to do something nobody else wants to. Like my condo board
-- most of the members are busybodies with too much time on their hand
and not enough victims to boss around.

[Dogma4e]

On 14 Nov 2003 16:14:21 -0800, (tor b) wrote:

>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >...
>

>>
>> You'll find that there is no Middius in the entire US with a listed phone
>> number. Try that with just about any other real-world last name you can
>> think of. Reach your own conclusions.
>>
>
>You won't find "George Middius at Locate America, either:
>
>http://www.locateamerica.com
>
>So we all pretty much know that "George M. Middius" is an alias. The
>question is: Why does "George" insist that it is his 'real' name and
>call others using aliases "anonymous coward", "YACA", etc.?

Hate rain on your parade, but a quick look shows George has a phone
number, address, etc. I'm suprised you *couldn't* locate him. Did
you even look?

[George M. Middius]

Dogma4e said:

> Hate rain on your parade, but a quick look shows George has a phone
> number, address, etc. I'm suprised you *couldn't* locate him. Did
> you even look?

I wonder why Big **** and Little **** are obssessed with me. I thought
'03 was to be their Year of the Boon.

[Arny Krueger]

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
k.net

> The difference isn't in the end-product but that 24/96 makes the
> engineering almost idiot-proof and raised dynamic range to more
> realistic levels.

This article is not about dynamic range. It is about frequency response.

[Arny Krueger]

"Dogma4e" > wrote in message

> On 14 Nov 2003 16:14:21 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> >...
>>
>
>>>
>>> You'll find that there is no Middius in the entire US with a listed
>>> phone number. Try that with just about any other real-world last
>>> name you can think of. Reach your own conclusions.
>>>
>>
>> You won't find "George Middius at Locate America, either:
>>
>> http://www.locateamerica.com
>>
>> So we all pretty much know that "George M. Middius" is an alias. The
>> question is: Why does "George" insist that it is his 'real' name and
>> call others using aliases "anonymous coward", "YACA", etc.?
>
> Hate rain on your parade, but a quick look shows George has a phone
> number, address, etc. I'm suprised you *couldn't* locate him. Did
> you even look?

A quick look at what?

[Torresists]

>From: (Dogma4e)
>Date: 11/15/2003 3:05 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 14 Nov 2003 16:14:21 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>
>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>...
>>
>
>>>
>>> You'll find that there is no Middius in the entire US with a listed phone
>>> number. Try that with just about any other real-world last name you can
>>> think of. Reach your own conclusions.
>>>
>>
>>You won't find "George Middius at Locate America, either:
>>
>>http://www.locateamerica.com
>>
>>So we all pretty much know that "George M. Middius" is an alias. The
>>question is: Why does "George" insist that it is his 'real' name and
>>call others using aliases "anonymous coward", "YACA", etc.?
>
>Hate rain on your parade, but a quick look shows George has a phone
>number, address, etc. I'm suprised you *couldn't* locate him. Did
>you even look?
>
Yep:

infospace.com: no results
anywho.com: no results
switchboard.com: no results
locate america: no results

The lack of results on Locate America is most telling, as this site uses
results from the state DMVs (i.e., drivers license) and other public records,
such as voter registration rolls.. Unlike some of the interenet directory
sites, one can't put their own info into this site. So, either "George M.
Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers
license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which
scenario is more likely? ;-)

[The Big Cheese]

Arny,

Another quick plunge to the depths of my Hershey highway would help you
locate him.

After all, you DO spend a great deal of time there already, mate.

How's the view through the glass navel?

Heh heh.

The Big Cheese

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Dogma4e" > wrote in message
>>
>>Hate rain on your parade, but a quick look shows George has a phone
>>number, address, etc. I'm suprised you *couldn't* locate him. Did
>>you even look?
>
>
> A quick look at what?
>
>

[Torresists]

>From: (Dogma4e)
>Date: 11/15/2003 1:30 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >

<snip>

I wrote:

>So, either "George M.
>>Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers
>>license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which
>>scenario is more likely? ;-)

>He rents. Is the construction across the street finished, George?

No family (no one with the last name "Middius" to be found)? No drivers
license? No automobile registration? Never registered to vote?

>gOnZo, Jr.

Seems appropriate.

[Torresists]

>From: (Dogma4e)
>Date: 11/15/2003 1:48 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >

<snip>

I asked:

>No family (no one with the last name "Middius" to be found)? No drivers
>>license? No automobile registration? Never registered to vote?
>>
>I really hate to point this out, but the "answer" is almost painfully
>obvious.
>
Yes, it is. In fact, it can be found in the title of this very thread. ;-)

[George M. Middius]

Dogma4e said:

> >The lack of results on Locate America is most telling, as this site uses
> >results from the state DMVs (i.e., drivers license) and other public records,
> >such as voter registration rolls.. Unlike some of the interenet directory
> >sites, one can't put their own info into this site. So, either "George M.
> >Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers
> >license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which
> >scenario is more likely? ;-)

> He rents. Is the construction across the street finished, George?

Isn't it a little flaky for an anonymous Usenet rodent-geek, whose
persona is that of a ravening, Kroopologizing pit-bull, whining about
others' supposedly false identities?

I don't know which past address of mine you found that is adjacent to
a construction site, but I will say that two addresses ago, where I
had a listed phone number, there was a time when I received several
anonymous harassing calls. The callers used profane language and were
infantile in demeanor. Verizon let me change to an unlisted number for
free. Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name. These
are the measures a real person has to take in order to shield himself
from the anonymous vermin of Usenet.

I suggest that trying to have a rational discussion with The Thing is
pointless, just as much so as with Krooger. It doesn't want to learn
anything, and it certainly has nothing worthwhile to impart to others.
It is in love with the Krooborg, and that should tell you all you need
to know about it.

But if you're really interested in dealing with it, see if you can get
it to tell you what its name is. Then it will have some standing for
accusations that others are lying about their own identities. Until
then, The Thing is nothing more than a ****-stained sewer rat.

[Arny Krueger]

"Dogma4e" > wrote in message


>>> Hate rain on your parade, but a quick look shows George has a phone
>>> number, address, etc. I'm suprised you *couldn't* locate him. Did
>>> you even look?
>>>
>> Yep:
>>
>> infospace.com: no results
>> anywho.com: no results
>> switchboard.com: no results
>> locate america: no results

> These sources are to locating what script kiddies are to hacking.

Talk is cheap.

>> The lack of results on Locate America is most telling, as this site
>> uses results from the state DMVs (i.e., drivers license) and other
>> public records, such as voter registration rolls.. Unlike some of
>> the interenet directory sites, one can't put their own info into
>> this site. So, either "George M. Middius" doesn't exist, or he does
>> exist but has no family, has no drivers license, has never owned a
>> home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which scenario is more
>> likely? ;-)

> He rents.

So you say.

> Is the construction across the street finished, George?

Talk is cheap.

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message


> Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name. These
> are the measures a real person has to take in order to shield himself
> from the anonymous vermin of Usenet.

Isn't it ironic that for all the claims you make George, that I'm the most
hated person on the web, the only person who has ever called me was a RAO
regular, and that has been very infrequent. If you're more hated than I am,
what does that make you?

[dave weil]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:52:58 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Isn't it ironic that for all the claims you make George, that I'm the most
>hated person on the web, the only person who has ever called me was a RAO
>regular, and that has been very infrequent.

Damn, why even have a phone if only one person has ever called you?

<chuckle>

[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

>>The lack of results on Locate America is most telling, as this site uses
>>results from the state DMVs (i.e., drivers license) and other public
>records,
>>such as voter registration rolls..

I'm a homeowner, have a valid driver's license, children, and a wife. I'm also
a registered voter. And yet I'm on none of those sites. Why? Because I have
an unlisted phone number.

Some detective you are. LOL!

Boon

[George M. Middius]

Dogma4e said:

> >> He rents. Is the construction across the street finished, George?
> >
> >Isn't it a little flaky for an anonymous Usenet rodent-geek, whose
> >persona is that of a ravening, Kroopologizing pit-bull, whining about
> >others' supposedly false identities?
>
> Did I hurt your feelings?

I was talking about Thing.


> > Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name.
>
> I know.

How could you know that?

> >I suggest that trying to have a rational discussion with The Thing is
> >pointless, just as much so as with Krooger. It doesn't want to learn
> >anything, and it certainly has nothing worthwhile to impart to others.
> >It is in love with the Krooborg, and that should tell you all you need
> >to know about it.
> >
> >But if you're really interested in dealing with it, see if you can get
> >it to tell you what its name is. Then it will have some standing for
> >accusations that others are lying about their own identities. Until
> >then, The Thing is nothing more than a ****-stained sewer rat.
> >
> Whatever, George.

No, I mean it. See if you can get it to tell us what its real name is.

[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
> k.net
>
> > The difference isn't in the end-product but that 24/96 makes the
> > engineering almost idiot-proof and raised dynamic range to more
> > realistic levels.
>
> This article is not about dynamic range. It is about frequency response.

So, quit your obnoxious nitpicking.

Oberlander is right and due to your affliction you can't
acknowledge it.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Dogma4e said:
>
> > >The lack of results on Locate America is most telling, as this site
uses
> > >results from the state DMVs (i.e., drivers license) and other public
records,
> > >such as voter registration rolls.. Unlike some of the interenet
directory
> > >sites, one can't put their own info into this site. So, either "George
M.
> > >Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no
drivers
> > >license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc.
Which
> > >scenario is more likely? ;-)
>
> > He rents. Is the construction across the street finished, George?
>
> Isn't it a little flaky for an anonymous Usenet rodent-geek, whose
> persona is that of a ravening, Kroopologizing pit-bull, whining about
> others' supposedly false identities?
>
> I don't know which past address of mine you found that is adjacent to
> a construction site, but I will say that two addresses ago, where I
> had a listed phone number, there was a time when I received several
> anonymous harassing calls. The callers used profane language and were
> infantile in demeanor. Verizon let me change to an unlisted number for
> free. Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name. These
> are the measures a real person has to take in order to shield himself
> from the anonymous vermin of Usenet.

Let it be known that George is being a complete and total
hypocrite for whining about needing to unlist his number.
Why don't you treat others how you want to be
treated?
I await your apology.

ScottW

[Dogma4e]

On 15 Nov 2003 12:07:01 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>From: (Dogma4e)
>>Date: 11/15/2003 3:05 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>On 14 Nov 2003 16:14:21 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>
>>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>...
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> You'll find that there is no Middius in the entire US with a listed phone
>>>> number. Try that with just about any other real-world last name you can
>>>> think of. Reach your own conclusions.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You won't find "George Middius at Locate America, either:
>>>
>>>http://www.locateamerica.com
>>>
>>>So we all pretty much know that "George M. Middius" is an alias. The
>>>question is: Why does "George" insist that it is his 'real' name and
>>>call others using aliases "anonymous coward", "YACA", etc.?
>>
>>Hate rain on your parade, but a quick look shows George has a phone
>>number, address, etc. I'm suprised you *couldn't* locate him. Did
>>you even look?
>>
>Yep:
>
>infospace.com: no results
>anywho.com: no results
>switchboard.com: no results
>locate america: no results

These sources are to locating what script kiddies are to hacking.
>
>The lack of results on Locate America is most telling, as this site uses
>results from the state DMVs (i.e., drivers license) and other public records,
>such as voter registration rolls.. Unlike some of the interenet directory
>sites, one can't put their own info into this site. So, either "George M.
>Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers
>license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which
>scenario is more likely? ;-)

He rents. Is the construction across the street finished, George?

gOnZo, Jr.

[George M. Middius]

Scottie said:

> > I don't know which past address of mine you found that is adjacent to
> > a construction site, but I will say that two addresses ago, where I
> > had a listed phone number, there was a time when I received several
> > anonymous harassing calls. The callers used profane language and were
> > infantile in demeanor. Verizon let me change to an unlisted number for
> > free. Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name. These
> > are the measures a real person has to take in order to shield himself
> > from the anonymous vermin of Usenet.
>
> Let it be known that George is being a complete and total
> hypocrite for whining about needing to unlist his number.
> Why don't you treat others how you want to be treated?

No idea what you're raging about, sorry.

> I await your apology.

I'm sorry you were born.

[Dogma4e]

On 15 Nov 2003 17:35:48 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>From: (Dogma4e)
>>Date: 11/15/2003 1:30 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>
><snip>
>
>I wrote:
>
>>So, either "George M.
>>>Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers
>>>license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which
>>>scenario is more likely? ;-)
>
>>He rents. Is the construction across the street finished, George?
>
>No family (no one with the last name "Middius" to be found)? No drivers
>license? No automobile registration? Never registered to vote?
>
I really hate to point this out, but the "answer" is almost painfully
obvious. And you'll have to ask George about his geneology, if it
interests you. That is really tedious work.

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Scottie said:
>
> > > I don't know which past address of mine you found that is adjacent to
> > > a construction site, but I will say that two addresses ago, where I
> > > had a listed phone number, there was a time when I received several
> > > anonymous harassing calls. The callers used profane language and were
> > > infantile in demeanor. Verizon let me change to an unlisted number
for
> > > free. Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name. These
> > > are the measures a real person has to take in order to shield himself
> > > from the anonymous vermin of Usenet.
> >
> > Let it be known that George is being a complete and total
> > hypocrite for whining about needing to unlist his number.
> > Why don't you treat others how you want to be treated?
>
> No idea what you're raging about, sorry.

You're either lying or an idiot.
You choose.

>
> > I await your apology.
>
> I'm sorry you were born.

You're sorry you're as stupid and hypocritical
as Trots. Pathetic.

ScottW

[Dogma4e]

On 15 Nov 2003 18:00:00 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>From: (Dogma4e)
>>Date: 11/15/2003 1:48 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>
><snip>
>
>I asked:
>
>>No family (no one with the last name "Middius" to be found)? No drivers
>>>license? No automobile registration? Never registered to vote?
>>>
>>I really hate to point this out, but the "answer" is almost painfully
>>obvious.
>>
>Yes, it is. In fact, it can be found in the title of this very thread. ;-)
>
Wrong.

[Dogma4e]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:11:20 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>Dogma4e said:
>
>> >The lack of results on Locate America is most telling, as this site uses
>> >results from the state DMVs (i.e., drivers license) and other public records,
>> >such as voter registration rolls.. Unlike some of the interenet directory
>> >sites, one can't put their own info into this site. So, either "George M.
>> >Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers
>> >license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which
>> >scenario is more likely? ;-)
>
>> He rents. Is the construction across the street finished, George?
>
>Isn't it a little flaky for an anonymous Usenet rodent-geek, whose
>persona is that of a ravening, Kroopologizing pit-bull, whining about
>others' supposedly false identities?

Did I hurt your feelings?

> Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name.

I know.
>
>I suggest that trying to have a rational discussion with The Thing is
>pointless, just as much so as with Krooger. It doesn't want to learn
>anything, and it certainly has nothing worthwhile to impart to others.
>It is in love with the Krooborg, and that should tell you all you need
>to know about it.
>
>But if you're really interested in dealing with it, see if you can get
>it to tell you what its name is. Then it will have some standing for
>accusations that others are lying about their own identities. Until
>then, The Thing is nothing more than a ****-stained sewer rat.
>
Whatever, George.

[George M. Middius]

Scottieborg said:

> > > Let it be known that George is being a complete and total
> > > hypocrite for whining about needing to unlist his number.
> > > Why don't you treat others how you want to be treated?
> >
> > No idea what you're raging about, sorry.
>
> You're either lying or an idiot.
> You choose.

I choose: (c) You're either lying or an idiot.


> > > I await your apology.
> >
> > I'm sorry you were born.
>
> You're sorry you're as stupid and hypocritical
> as Trots. Pathetic.

Back to your "debating trade" ways, I see.

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Scottieborg said:
>
> > > > Let it be known that George is being a complete and total
> > > > hypocrite for whining about needing to unlist his number.
> > > > Why don't you treat others how you want to be treated?
> > >
> > > No idea what you're raging about, sorry.
> >
> > You're either lying or an idiot.
> > You choose.
>
> I choose: (c) You're either lying or an idiot.

Bzzt. Wrong.
You know you are guilty of posting
phone numbers.

Don't you hate it when your game turns on
you and bites you in the ass.
Hypocritical whiner.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Scottieborg lied:

> > > > No idea what you're raging about, sorry.
> > >
> > > You're either lying or an idiot.
> > > You choose.
> >
> > I choose: (c) You're either lying or an idiot.
>
> Bzzt. Wrong.
> You know you are guilty of posting
> phone numbers.

Prove I "know" it, moron. And since when is doing so a crime that one
can be "guilty" of?

Do you even know what lying is? At least two other RAO regulars don't.


> Don't you hate it when your game turns on
> you and bites you in the ass.

I'll let you know when it happens.

Right now, all anybody can see is that you're twisted inside out with
rage, you're claiming to know what's in my mind, and you're inventing
a charge of hypocrisy based on nothing. You accused me of "posting
phone numbers" without any substantiation. Even if you can prove it's
true, how does that make me a hypocrite, you retard? I didn't complain
about anybody posting my phone number. I complained (to Verizon) about
crank calls. I haven't made any crank calls. Therefore it's difficult
(i.e. impossible) to see how my action was hypocritical.

Get Sanders or Philips to explain this to you. Maybe even Sackman.
You're making an ass out of yourself.

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Scottieborg lied:
>
> > > > > No idea what you're raging about, sorry.
> > > >
> > > > You're either lying or an idiot.
> > > > You choose.
> > >
> > > I choose: (c) You're either lying or an idiot.
> >
> > Bzzt. Wrong.
> > You know you are guilty of posting
> > phone numbers.
>
> Prove I "know" it, moron. And since when is doing so a crime that one
> can be "guilty" of?
>
> Do you even know what lying is? At least two other RAO regulars don't.
>
>
> > Don't you hate it when your game turns on
> > you and bites you in the ass.
>
> I'll let you know when it happens.
>
> Right now, all anybody can see is that you're twisted inside out with
> rage, you're claiming to know what's in my mind, and you're inventing
> a charge of hypocrisy based on nothing. You accused me of "posting
> phone numbers" without any substantiation. Even if you can prove it's
> true, how does that make me a hypocrite, you retard? I didn't complain
> about anybody posting my phone number. I complained (to Verizon) about
> crank calls. I haven't made any crank calls. Therefore it's difficult
> (i.e. impossible) to see how my action was hypocritical.
>
> Get Sanders or Philips to explain this to you. Maybe even Sackman.
> You're making an ass out of yourself.
>
For all your blustering, you don't deny what you did.
Obviously you are as clueless as Arny when it
comes to right and wrong.

Frankly, for anyone of any morality,
it just isn't that complicated.
Sadly, the whole issue leaves you confused.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Scottieborg can't admit he stepped in it. Just like Krooger.

> > Right now, all anybody can see is that you're twisted inside out with
> > rage, you're claiming to know what's in my mind, and you're inventing
> > a charge of hypocrisy based on nothing. You accused me of "posting
> > phone numbers" without any substantiation. Even if you can prove it's
> > true, how does that make me a hypocrite, you retard? I didn't complain
> > about anybody posting my phone number. I complained (to Verizon) about
> > crank calls. I haven't made any crank calls. Therefore it's difficult
> > (i.e. impossible) to see how my action was hypocritical.
> >
> > Get Sanders or Philips to explain this to you. Maybe even Sackman.
> > You're making an ass out of yourself.
> >
> For all your blustering, you don't deny what you did.

I just denied doing what you accused me of, you ninny. Here it is
again:

"I haven't made any crank calls." Do you understand that?


> Obviously you are as clueless as Arny when it
> comes to right and wrong.

Obviously you have no evidence to support your ridiculous accusation,
you bag of farts.

> Sadly, the whole issue leaves you confused.

I hope Gregipus sees you imitating him.

All of your finger-pointing can't hide the fact that you accused me of
hypocrisy, but I refuted the accusation resoundingly. And did you
apologize? No, you pretended I hadn't given the logical refutation
that anybody can understand. (Except maybe you.)

You accused me of hypocrisy because, you claim, I posted somebody's
phone number. Do you understand that?

I never complained about anybody posting phone numbers. Do you
understand that?

I did complain about receiving crank calls. Do you understand that?

I have not made any crank calls. Ever. Do you understand that?


Now, I suppose, it's your turn to bray and whine some more, as if your
lies and false accusations haven't been blasted to smithereens. You're
a joke, twerp.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "George M. Middius" > wrote in message
>
>
> > Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name. These
> > are the measures a real person has to take in order to shield himself
> > from the anonymous vermin of Usenet.
>
> Isn't it ironic that for all the claims you make George, that I'm the most
> hated person on the web, the only person who has ever called me was a RAO
> regular, and that has been very infrequent. If you're more hated than I
am,
> what does that make you?
>

Should I take that as an invitation? Are you lonely for some long distance
abuse?




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[George M. Middius]

Sockpuppet Yustabe said to ****-for-Brains:

> > > Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name. These
> > > are the measures a real person has to take in order to shield himself
> > > from the anonymous vermin of Usenet.

> > Isn't it ironic that for all the claims you make George, that I'm the most
> > hated person on the web, the only person who has ever called me was a RAO
> > regular, and that has been very infrequent. If you're more hated than I
> > what does that make you?

> Should I take that as an invitation? Are you lonely for some long distance
> abuse?

Are you getting better at deciphering Krooglish?

[Lionel]

George M. Middius wrote:

>
> Do you even know what lying is?

Let us know I'm sure you're an expert !

[Lionel]

George M. Middius wrote:


> I had a listed phone number, there was a time when I received several
> anonymous harassing calls. The callers used profane language and were
> infantile in demeanor. Verizon let me change to an unlisted number for
> free. Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name. These
> are the measures a real person has to take in order to shield himself
> from the anonymous vermin of Usenet.
>

Too much fans Georgetta ?
Is it because you have the nicest ass of your town ? :o)

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Scottieborg can't admit he stepped in it. Just like Krooger.
>
> > > Right now, all anybody can see is that you're twisted inside out with
> > > rage, you're claiming to know what's in my mind, and you're inventing
> > > a charge of hypocrisy based on nothing. You accused me of "posting
> > > phone numbers" without any substantiation. Even if you can prove it's
> > > true, how does that make me a hypocrite, you retard? I didn't
complain
> > > about anybody posting my phone number. I complained (to Verizon)
about
> > > crank calls. I haven't made any crank calls. Therefore it's difficult
> > > (i.e. impossible) to see how my action was hypocritical.
> > >
> > > Get Sanders or Philips to explain this to you. Maybe even Sackman.
> > > You're making an ass out of yourself.
> > >
> > For all your blustering, you don't deny what you did.
>
> I just denied doing what you accused me of, you ninny. Here it is
> again:
>
> "I haven't made any crank calls." Do you understand that?

Did I say you did? Stupid Krueger defense.

You know what you did. You know it was wrong.
>
>
> > Obviously you are as clueless as Arny when it
> > comes to right and wrong.
>
> Obviously you have no evidence to support your ridiculous accusation,
> you bag of farts.
>
> > Sadly, the whole issue leaves you confused.
>
> I hope Gregipus sees you imitating him.
>
> All of your finger-pointing can't hide the fact that you accused me of
> hypocrisy, but I refuted the accusation resoundingly.

Bull****. You cry about getting crank calls but you post
phone numbers. Can you be anymore hypocritical?
I think not.

> And did you
> apologize? No, you pretended I hadn't given the logical refutation
> that anybody can understand. (Except maybe you.)

All your spinning and weaving has made you dizzy.
>
> You accused me of hypocrisy because, you claim, I posted somebody's
> phone number. Do you understand that?

Yup, and invited people to make crank calls.
You're getting old and a bit daft.
>
> I never complained about anybody posting phone numbers. Do you
> understand that?
>
> I did complain about receiving crank calls. Do you understand that?
>
> I have not made any crank calls. Ever. Do you understand that?

I understand that you're too weak minded to see the correlation
which is clear.
>
>
> Now, I suppose, it's your turn to bray and whine some more, as if your
> lies and false accusations haven't been blasted to smithereens. You're
> a joke, twerp.

You're on the ground, your blood spilled all about.
Your chest split open showing you have no heart.
Still you babble meaningless claims of victory.
I spit on you and walk away unscathed.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

ScottieBorg "debating traded":

> > Scottieborg can't admit he stepped in it. Just like Krooger.
> >
> > > > Right now, all anybody can see is that you're twisted inside out with
> > > > rage, you're claiming to know what's in my mind, and you're inventing
> > > > a charge of hypocrisy based on nothing. You accused me of "posting
> > > > phone numbers" without any substantiation. Even if you can prove it's
> > > > true, how does that make me a hypocrite, you retard? I didn't complain
> > > > about anybody posting my phone number. I complained (to Verizon) about
> > > > crank calls. I haven't made any crank calls. Therefore it's difficult
> > > > (i.e. impossible) to see how my action was hypocritical.

> > > For all your blustering, you don't deny what you did.

> > I just denied doing what you accused me of, you ninny. Here it is
> > again:
> >
> > "I haven't made any crank calls." Do you understand that?
>
> Did I say you did? Stupid Krueger defense.

Yes you did, you stupid pile of garbage. What other "hypocrisy" were
you whining about if not that? Or maybe you don't know what hypocrisy
is. We'll put you right up there with Krooger and trotsky.


> You know what you did. You know it was wrong.

Repeated claims of mindreading noted.


> > > Obviously you are as clueless as Arny when it
> > > comes to right and wrong.
> >
> > Obviously you have no evidence to support your ridiculous accusation,
> > you bag of farts.

Concession by silence noted. You pulled the accusation out of your
ass, and you admit it. Thank you.


> > > Sadly, the whole issue leaves you confused.
> >
> > I hope Gregipus sees you imitating him.
> >
> > All of your finger-pointing can't hide the fact that you accused me of
> > hypocrisy, but I refuted the accusation resoundingly.
>
> Bull****. You cry about getting crank calls but you post
> phone numbers. Can you be anymore hypocritical?
> I think not.
>
> > And did you
> > apologize? No, you pretended I hadn't given the logical refutation
> > that anybody can understand. (Except maybe you.)
>
> All your spinning and weaving has made you dizzy.
> >
> > You accused me of hypocrisy because, you claim, I posted somebody's
> > phone number. Do you understand that?
>
> Yup, and invited people to make crank calls.
> You're getting old and a bit daft.
> >
> > I never complained about anybody posting phone numbers. Do you
> > understand that?
> >
> > I did complain about receiving crank calls. Do you understand that?
> >
> > I have not made any crank calls. Ever. Do you understand that?
>
> I understand that you're too weak minded to see the correlation
> which is clear.

If it's so clear, why are you unable to explain what you mean? Cat got
your IQ again?


> > Now, I suppose, it's your turn to bray and whine some more, as if your
> > lies and false accusations haven't been blasted to smithereens. You're
> > a joke, twerp.
>
> You're on the ground, your blood spilled all about.
> Your chest split open showing you have no heart.
> Still you babble meaningless claims of victory.

That's nothing but a Kroogeresque IKYABWAI.

> I spit on you and walk away unscathed.

You're not just scathed, you're decapitated.

What it comes down to is you made an accusation of hypocrisy, and when
pressed four times for an explanation, all you can do is say "you know
what you did" and make empty claims of vanquishing me.

That's what Krooger and trotsky do. Congratulations on joining the
club of your dreams, monkey-boy.






This post reformatted by the Resistance,
laboring tirelessly to de-Kroogerize Usenet.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:E%utb.3036$Ue4.642@fed1read01

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...

>> "Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
>> k.net

>>> The difference isn't in the end-product but that 24/96 makes the
>>> engineering almost idiot-proof and raised dynamic range to more
>>> realistic levels.

>> This article is not about dynamic range. It is about frequency
>> response.

> So, quit your obnoxious nitpicking.

You call pointing out that he missed the entire purpose of the article "Nit
picking"?

> Oberlander is right and due to your affliction you can't
> acknowledge it.

Oberlander missed the point of the article and the thread Scotty, but
blinded by fear and hatred, you can't admit it.

I guess that means that you don't know the difference between bandwidth and
dynamic range either, Scotty. How do you explain intruding on a discussion
that is so far over your head?

[Joseph Oberlander]

Torresists wrote:

>>From: (Dogma4e)
>>Date: 11/15/2003 1:30 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>
>
> <snip>
>
> I wrote:
>
>
>>So, either "George M.
>>
>>>Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers
>>>license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which
>>>scenario is more likely? ;-)

He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial.

It's a common problem with those search engines.

[Joseph Oberlander]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
> k.net
>
>
>>The difference isn't in the end-product but that 24/96 makes the
>>engineering almost idiot-proof and raised dynamic range to more
>>realistic levels.
>
>
> This article is not about dynamic range. It is about frequency response.

True, but my point(lost several days ago when this started) wasn't
about the article, but that for 99.99% of people, they can't tell
the difference. I suppose a few very young children with zero hearing
loss might, but by the time we are adults, our hearing is already
wearing out at the top end to where 16-18Khz is a problem, let alone
over 20Khz.

[Erik Squires]

I'm not sure that the higher frequencies matter, but having a mere 3 samples
per cycle at 15kHz doesn't exactly seem like high resolution to me.

Regards,


Erik


"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have kept
> saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above 22 KHz
isn't
> a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of scientific papers
> that agree with this idea:
>
> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual Discrimination
> between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components
Given
> at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a month ago. This paper can
be
> ordered from the AES web site: www.aes.org .
>
> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series of
> listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science & Technical
> Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared the playback of
> recordings with and without audio signals above 21 KHz.
>
> 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used:
>
> 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa"
> 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
> 3 Meditation Vn, Pf
> 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf
> 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf
> 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc
> 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax
> 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax
> 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf
> 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc
> 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
> 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
> 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of only
white
> noise.
> 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf
> 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra
> 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova)
> 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova)
> 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds")
> 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds")
> 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>
> "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus was
> evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant difference
> among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response rate for three
sound
> stimuli was close to the significance probability (5% level). It is
> concluded that one subject attained a 75% correct response rate which
> constituted a significant difference. In order to make a strict
statistical
> test, we conducted a supplementary test with this subject who had attained
> the best correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six
> kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20 times.
As
> a result, no significant difference was found among the sound stimuli, and
> so this subject could not discriminate between these sound stimuli with
and
> without very high frequency components."
>
> In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored substantially
> better than random guessing, and when retested, he could not duplicate his
> earlier results. This indicates that they were due to luck. In fact a
study
> of statisitics and actual experience suggests that with a group of 36
> listeners, it is pretty certain that one or more listeners will get good
> scores due to luck, that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested.
>
> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty much the
> same results, provided you hold all other relevant variables equal.
>
>

[tor b]

>
>Let it be known that George is being a complete and total
>hypocrite for whining about needing to unlist his number.
>Why don't you treat others how you want to be
>treated?
>I await your apology.
>
>ScottW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Scottie, will you let me rub your bunny again, please?

[tor b]

>
>You're sorry you're as stupid and hypocritical
>as Trots. Pathetic.
>
>

And you're as stupid and egotistical as I am. Right On, Bro!

[tor b]

torresists wrote:
>Yes, it is. In fact, it can be found in the title of this very thread. ;-)
>And the smell of Arny's poop is on my lips. And the size
>of Arny's peepee can be asscertained by measuring my asshole.

Lionel, where are you? Would you like another spanking?

[tor b]

Marc "Porky Boy" Phillips dragged his fat ass to a keyboard and typed:
>
> I'm a homeowner, have a valid driver's license, children, and a wife. I'm also
> a registered voter. And yet I'm on none of those sites. Why? Because I have
> an unlisted phone number.
>
> Some detective you are. LOL!
>

You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.

[tor b]

Joseph Oberlander > wrote in message t>...
> Torresists wrote:
>
> >>From: (Dogma4e)
> >>Date: 11/15/2003 1:30 PM Central Standard Time
> >>Message-id: >
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > I wrote:
> >
> >
> >>So, either "George M.
> >>
> >>>Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers
> >>>license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which
> >>>scenario is more likely? ;-)
>
> He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial.
>
Go to:

http://www.locateamerica.com

and try it both ways, with and without the "M". No result- meaning no
drivers license, no automobile registration, not registered to vote,
no credit history, etc. There is no "George Middius".
>
> It's a common problem with those search engines.
>
Yep, they have a hard time finding someone who only exists on Usenet.
;-)

[tor b]

George M. Middius > wrote in message >...

<snip>
>
> Isn't it a little flaky for an anonymous Usenet rodent-geek

<remainder of snarling, angry post deleted>

Did I hit a nerve, "George"? :-)

While I have your attention, let me ask a few questions:

Are you an orphan who was found on a doorstep (or in a dumpster)?

Do you have a drivers license?

Ever own or lease a car?

Ever register to vote?

Ever have a bank account?

Ever take out a loan?

Ever have a credit card?

Take your time, "George".

[dave weil]

On 15 Nov 2003 22:02:06 -0800, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

>Yep, they have a hard time finding someone who only exists on Usenet.
>;-)

That sounds familiar...

[Robert Morein]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> George,
>
> You're wrong.
>
> There is a permanent job offer for Mr. Krueger to be the head producer
> at Coral Seas Studios if he'd care to fill out the immigration papers as
> a first step towards employment.
>
> I believe he and BWRIAAWHINE would make a splendid team working together!
>
> The Big Cheese
>

It'll give Arny the opportunity to measure the audio performance of web
pages, the sound of silence.

While Arny's studio boasts sound cards, McCarty's boasts unlisted phone
numbers, mail drops under phony names, and scrambled web registrations.

After Arny has someone to beat the crap out of for a few years, maybe he'll
become a sweeter person ;).

[Lionel]

tor b wrote:
> torresists wrote:
>
>>Yes, it is. In fact, it can be found in the title of this very thread. ;-)
>>And the smell of Arny's poop is on my lips. And the size
>>of Arny's peepee can be asscertained by measuring my asshole.
>
>
> Lionel, where are you? Would you like another spanking?

Who is supposed to spank me ?
You ? ;O)

[Arny Krueger]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message


> After Arny has someone to beat the crap out of for a few years, maybe
> he'll become a sweeter person ;).

Talk about secret longings and externalization. The amazing thing about
Robert Morein is how many times he's had the crap figuratively beaten out of
him, without his learning a darn thing. Right up to the Supreme Court of the
US! Amazing!

[Arny Krueger]

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
nk.net
> Torresists wrote:
>
>>> From: (Dogma4e)
>>> Date: 11/15/2003 1:30 PM Central Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So, either "George M.
>>>
>>>> Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no
>>>> drivers license, has never owned a home, has never registered to
>>>> vote, etc. Which scenario is more likely? ;-)
>
> He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial.

Try again. My searching shows nobody with the last name of Middius in the
entire U.S.

> It's a common problem with those search engines.

It's more than very common to have a last name that you share with at least
one other living human, unless it's made up. For example, Infospace finds
66 Oberlanders and > 250 Kruegers in California.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On 15 Nov 2003 22:02:06 -0800, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
>
>> Yep, they have a hard time finding someone who only exists on Usenet.
>> ;-)

> That sounds familiar...

As usual, Weil can't see a number of things that are obvious.

[Arny Krueger]

"Erik Squires" > wrote in message
ervers.com
> I'm not sure that the higher frequencies matter, but having a mere 3
> samples per cycle at 15kHz doesn't exactly seem like high resolution
> to me.

Given that each sample can be accurate up to within one part in 8 billion,
it can be very accurate.

[tor b]

dave weil > wrote in message >...
> On 15 Nov 2003 22:02:06 -0800, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
>
> >Yep, they have a hard time finding someone who only exists on Usenet.
> >;-)
>
> That sounds familiar...
>
Would you like to make your confession now? :-)

[Dogma4e]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:14:04 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>
>> > Where I live now, the phone is in somebody else's name.
>>
>> I know.
>
>How could you know that?

Suzanne told me. ;-)
>

>> >
>> >But if you're really interested in dealing with it, see if you can get
>> >it to tell you what its name is. Then it will have some standing for
>> >accusations that others are lying about their own identities. Until
>> >then, The Thing is nothing more than a ****-stained sewer rat.
>> >
>> Whatever, George.
>
>No, I mean it. See if you can get it to tell us what its real name is.
>
>
OK. Here goes: Tor, is your real name Steve Bergson?

[GeoSynch]

tor b is in a lather:

> > He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial.

> Go to:

> http://www.locateamerica.com

> and try it both ways, with and without the "M". No result- meaning no
> drivers license, no automobile registration, not registered to vote,
> no credit history, etc. There is no "George Middius".

Try this, Einstein:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22George+Middius%22+MD&btnG=Google+Search


GeoSynch

[Arny Krueger]

"GeoSynch" > wrote in message
nk.net

> tor b is in a lather:

>>> He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial.

>> Go to:

>> http://www.locateamerica.com

>> and try it both ways, with and without the "M". No result- meaning no
>> drivers license, no automobile registration, not registered to vote,
>> no credit history, etc. There is no "George Middius".

> Try this, Einstein:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22George+Middius%22+
MD&btnG=Google+Search

Very old and obsolete news.

try this, Einstein:

http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=33a9858c.18432782%40news.addis.net

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
> nk.net
> > Torresists wrote:
> >
> >>> From: (Dogma4e)
> >>> Date: 11/15/2003 1:30 PM Central Standard Time
> >>> Message-id: >
> >>
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> I wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> So, either "George M.
> >>>
> >>>> Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no
> >>>> drivers license, has never owned a home, has never registered to
> >>>> vote, etc. Which scenario is more likely? ;-)
> >
> > He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial.
>
> Try again. My searching shows nobody with the last name of Middius in the
> entire U.S.
>
> > It's a common problem with those search engines.
>
> It's more than very common to have a last name that you share with at
least
> one other living human, unless it's made up. For example, Infospace finds
> 66 Oberlanders and > 250 Kruegers in California.
>
>

Those other Kruegers want to get as far away from you as possible.




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[Socko Van Puppet]

>from: (Dogma4e)

>OK. Here goes: Tor, is your real name Steve Bergson?
>

No, shmucko. That's me!

Socko Van Puppet

[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:E%utb.3036$Ue4.642@fed1read01
>
>
> I guess that means that you don't know the difference between bandwidth
and
> dynamic range either, Scotty.

I guess this means you're a pathetic waste of human filth
whose real interest is some perverted means to prop up
his own declining self-image and rapidly crumbling self
esteem.

> How do you explain intruding on a discussion
> that is so far over your head?

How do you explain consistent irrational conclusions?

ScottW

[Robert Morein]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>
>
> > After Arny has someone to beat the crap out of for a few years, maybe
> > he'll become a sweeter person ;).
>
> Talk about secret longings and externalization. The amazing thing about
> Robert Morein is how many times he's had the crap figuratively beaten out
of
> him, without his learning a darn thing. Right up to the Supreme Court of
the
> US! Amazing!
>
Only figuratively, Arny.

As opposed to you.

Anyways, I was suggesting that you beat the crap out of McCarty.

I don't place the two of you in the same category.

While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***,
McCarty is a bad human being.

[George M. Middius]

Robert Morein said to ****-for-Brains:

> While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***,
> McCarty is a bad human being.

Krooger has pedophiliac fantasies. For all we know, he's acted on
them. Remember the allusions to "young trainees"? How about the romps
through Sunday school at that misbegotten church of his?

Be careful about leaping to conclusions. Mc****head may have
interfered with people's Internet access, but that doesn't compare to
the damage done by an active pedophile.

[dave weil]

On 16 Nov 2003 03:31:56 -0800, (tor b) wrote:

>dave weil > wrote in message >...
>> On 15 Nov 2003 22:02:06 -0800, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
>>
>> >Yep, they have a hard time finding someone who only exists on Usenet.
>> >;-)
>>
>> That sounds familiar...
>>
>Would you like to make your confession now? :-)

OK. You "exist only on Usenet". And you aren't in any of the people
search engines under your Usenet name.

Hope this helps.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>

>
> While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***,
> McCarty is a bad human being.
>

How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face
before you will realize that he is a bad human being?




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[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

>Marc "Porky Boy" Phillips dragged his fat ass to a keyboard and typed:
>>
>> I'm a homeowner, have a valid driver's license, children, and a wife. I'm
>also
>> a registered voter. And yet I'm on none of those sites. Why? Because I
>have
>> an unlisted phone number.
>>
>> Some detective you are. LOL!
>>
>
>You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.

I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me.

Boon

[S888Wheel]

<<
> While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***,
> McCarty is a bad human being.
> >><BR><BR>


Arny isn't a bad scientist because he isn't a scientist at all. He does try to
coat tail science his religious beliefs in audio on science. He seems to be a
fairly awful human being.

[chris]

You bunch of troll already have you own forum for slagging each other GO
BACK THERE .

WE DONT NEED THIS SORT OF CONTAMINATION on a SENSIBLY INTELIGENT news
group.

[George M. Middius]

chris said:

> You bunch of troll already have you own forum for slagging each other GO
> BACK THERE .
>
> WE DONT NEED THIS SORT OF CONTAMINATION on a SENSIBLY INTELIGENT news
> group.

You know what's funny? The other day, one of the nerds acted like he
respects Arnii Krooger. ;-) On the rest of Usenet, that behavior
would lead to stoning by a mob of villagers. On your group, it's
nothing out of the ordinary.

How much do you pay for the fermented worms, anyway? ;-)

[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
>
> >
> > While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***,
> > McCarty is a bad human being.
> >
>
> How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face
> before you will realize that he is a bad human being?
>
I'll admit, I wouldn't want to have him around the house. But it's a matter
of degree:

Arny is very rude. (-1)
He lies to win arguments. (-2)
When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-1)
Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-2)
Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to
audio (-2)
Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have seen
him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific
delusion.

On the other hand,
McCarty is incredibly rude (-3)
McCarty lies to defame (-10)
McCarty tries to cheat people out of their money (-5)
McCarty posts his attacks under assumed names (-5).
McCarty has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown
psychopath (-10)
McCarty has tried to do me personal harm (-10) (can't avoid the
personalization here!).
McCarty is generally destructive, to investors, to usenet, and to himself
(-10).

Score for Krueger: -8
Score for McCarty: -53

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***,
> > > McCarty is a bad human being.
> > >
> >
> > How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face
> > before you will realize that he is a bad human being?
> >
> I'll admit, I wouldn't want to have him around the house. But it's a
matter
> of degree:
>
> Arny is very rude. (-1)
> He lies to win arguments. (-2)
> When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-1)
> Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-2)
> Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to
> audio (-2)
> Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have seen
> him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific
> delusion.
>
> On the other hand,
> McCarty is incredibly rude (-3)
> McCarty lies to defame (-10)

Arny does that too, he just hasn't done it to you, YET.


> McCarty tries to cheat people out of their money (-5)
> McCarty posts his attacks under assumed names (-5).
> McCarty has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown
> psychopath (-10)
> McCarty has tried to do me personal harm (-10) (can't avoid the
> personalization here!).
> McCarty is generally destructive, to investors, to usenet, and to himself
> (-10).
>
> Score for Krueger: -8
> Score for McCarty: -53
>
>
>
>
>




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[Robert Morein]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***,
> > > > McCarty is a bad human being.
> > > >
> > >
> > > How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face
> > > before you will realize that he is a bad human being?
> > >
> > I'll admit, I wouldn't want to have him around the house. But it's a
> matter
> > of degree:
> >
> > Arny is very rude. (-1)
> > He lies to win arguments. (-2)
> > When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-1)
> > Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-2)
> > Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to
> > audio (-2)
> > Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have
seen
> > him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific
> > delusion.
> >
> > On the other hand,
> > McCarty is incredibly rude (-3)
> > McCarty lies to defame (-10)
>
> Arny does that too, he just hasn't done it to you, YET.
>
You're right. I stand corrected.

[GeoSynch]

Arny wrote:

> > Try this, Einstein:

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22George+Middius%22+MD&btnG=Google+Search

> Very old and obsolete news.

> try this, Einstein:

> http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=33a9858c.18432782%40news.addis.net

Yeah, back in '97, when 'lil Georgie was still a neophyte dweeb and willingly posted
his phone number on the net for one and all. But my posting of the Google link a few
months ago is what probably put the fat, little gimp on the run, so to speak. :-)


GeoSynch

[George M. Middius]

Stynchblob lied:

> Yeah, back in '97, when 'lil Georgie was still a neophyte dweeb and willingly posted
> his phone number on the net for one and all.

So you admit that making harassing phone calls is a standard tool in
your kit of Usenet warfare. That is quite an admission. Did you even
put down your beer bottle long enough to think about whether you might
ever be prosecuted for your crimes?


> But my posting of the Google link a few
> months ago is what probably put the fat, little gimp on the run, so to speak. :-)

Probably not, Blimpie. I'll bet even your beloved Krooger is capable
of figuring out who has that phone number now. Finished off your
Halloween candy yet, or are you still postponing that diet you've been
yakking about?

[GeoSynch]

El Pudge-oh gayo gimpo escribbleo (ho-ho-ho):

> > Yeah, back in '97, when 'lil Georgie was still a neophyte dweeb and willingly posted
> > his phone number on the net for one and all.

> So you admit that making harassing phone calls is a standard tool in
> your kit of Usenet warfare. That is quite an admission.

That's quite a leap ... even for a gimp like you.

> Did you evenput down your beer bottle long enough to think about whether you might
> ever be prosecuted for your crimes?

For what, making fun of you on r.a.o.?

> > But my posting of the Google link a few
> > months ago is what probably put the fat, little gimp on the run, so to speak. :-)

> Probably not, Blimpie. I'll bet even your beloved Krooger is capable
> of figuring out who has that phone number now. Finished off your
> Halloween candy yet, or are you still postponing that diet you've been
> yakking about?

"Yada, yada, yada <puke>" goes the pudge.


GeoSynch

[tor b]

(Marc Phillips) wrote in message >...

<snip>

I wrote:
> >
> >You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
>
The Porkster lied:
>
> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me.
>
I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing
for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that
isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past
as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the
google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>

>
> Arny is very rude. (-8)
> He lies to win arguments. (-10)
> When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-8)
> Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-5)
> Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to
> audio (-5)
>Arny has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown
>sociopath(-10)
> Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have seen
> him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific
> delusion.
>
> On the other hand,
> McCarty is incredibly rude (-3)
> McCarty lies to defame (-8)
> McCarty tries to cheat people out of their money (-5)
> McCarty posts his attacks under assumed names (-4).
> McCarty has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown
> psychopath (-8)
> McCarty has tried to do personal harm (-10) (can't avoid the
> personalization here!).
>>
> Score for Krueger: -46
> Score for McCarty: -38
>
>
>
>




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[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

(Marc Phillips) wrote in message
>...
>
><snip>
>
>I wrote:
>> >
>> >You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
>>
>The Porkster lied:
>>
>> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me.
>>
>I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
>made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing
>for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that
>isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past
>as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the
>google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew.
>
>
>
>
>
>

(Marc Phillips) wrote in message
>...
>
><snip>
>
>I wrote:
>> >
>> >You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
>>
>The Porkster lied:
>>
>> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me.
>>
>I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
>made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing
>for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that
>isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past
>as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the
>google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew.

That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the
trigger! Pull the trigger!

Boon

[John]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have
> kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above
> 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of
> scientific papers that agree with this idea:
>
> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual
> Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High
> Frequency Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York
> about a month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site:
> www.aes.org .
>
> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series
> of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science &
> Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared
> the playback of recordings with and without audio signals above 21
> KHz.
>
> 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used:
>
> 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa"
> 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
> 3 Meditation Vn, Pf
> 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf
> 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf
> 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc
> 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax
> 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax
> 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf
> 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc
> 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
> 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
> 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of
> only white noise.
> 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf
> 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra
> 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova)
> 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova)
> 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds")
> 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds")
> 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>
> "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus
> was evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant
> difference among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response
> rate for three sound stimuli was close to the significance
> probability (5% level). It is concluded that one subject attained a
> 75% correct response rate which constituted a significant difference.
> In order to make a strict statistical test, we conducted a
> supplementary test with this subject who had attained the best
> correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six
> kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20
> times. As a result, no significant difference was found among the
> sound stimuli, and so this subject could not discriminate between
> these sound stimuli with and without very high frequency components."
>
> In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored
> substantially better than random guessing, and when retested, he
> could not duplicate his earlier results. This indicates that they
> were due to luck. In fact a study of statisitics and actual
> experience suggests that with a group of 36 listeners, it is pretty
> certain that one or more listeners will get good scores due to luck,
> that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested.
>
> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty
> much the same results, provided you hold all other relevant variables
> equal.


One study awhile back in Japan used EEG measurements to measure pleasure
stimuli. It showed that although participates could not hear those high
frequencies the "pleasure area" of the brain sure did. Probably why it
is so much more pleasing to listen to a wide frequency response system
as compared to a harsh sounding CD.

I place a lot more value on that kind of study. One that uses actual
electronic measurements of brain activity rather than subjective
responses from listeners.

[Erik Squires]

Yes, the level at that point is accurate, very accurate.... but take any
sine wave, and select 3 points on it.

Can you tell the full amplitude of that sine wave at the points in between?
I can't.

Erik
"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Erik Squires" > wrote in message
> ervers.com
> > I'm not sure that the higher frequencies matter, but having a mere 3
> > samples per cycle at 15kHz doesn't exactly seem like high resolution
> > to me.
>
> Given that each sample can be accurate up to within one part in 8 billion,
> it can be very accurate.
>
>

[Arny Krueger]

"Erik Squires" > wrote in message
rvers.com

> Yes, the level at that point is accurate, very accurate.... but take
> any sine wave, and select 3 points on it.

> Can you tell the full amplitude of that sine wave at the points in
> between?

Sure. Three equations in three unknowns with three given known quantities. I
can determine frequency, amplitude and phase from three points, presuming
that a pure sine wave passes through them.

>I can't.

You could if you're training in electronics and math prepared you for the
task.

[Arny Krueger]

"John" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have
>> kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above
>> 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of
>> scientific papers that agree with this idea:
>>
>> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual
>> Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High
>> Frequency Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York
>> about a month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site:
>> www.aes.org .
>>
>> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series
>> of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science &
>> Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared
>> the playback of recordings with and without audio signals above 21
>> KHz.
>>
>> 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used:
>>
>> 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa"
>> 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>> 3 Meditation Vn, Pf
>> 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf
>> 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf
>> 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc
>> 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax
>> 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax
>> 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf
>> 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc
>> 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
>> 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
>> 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of
>> only white noise.
>> 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf
>> 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra
>> 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova)
>> 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova)
>> 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds")
>> 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds")
>> 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>>
>> "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus
>> was evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant
>> difference among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response
>> rate for three sound stimuli was close to the significance
>> probability (5% level). It is concluded that one subject attained a
>> 75% correct response rate which constituted a significant difference.
>> In order to make a strict statistical test, we conducted a
>> supplementary test with this subject who had attained the best
>> correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six
>> kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20
>> times. As a result, no significant difference was found among the
>> sound stimuli, and so this subject could not discriminate between
>> these sound stimuli with and without very high frequency components."
>>
>> In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored
>> substantially better than random guessing, and when retested, he
>> could not duplicate his earlier results. This indicates that they
>> were due to luck. In fact a study of statisitics and actual
>> experience suggests that with a group of 36 listeners, it is pretty
>> certain that one or more listeners will get good scores due to luck,
>> that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested.
>>
>> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty
>> much the same results, provided you hold all other relevant variables
>> equal.
>
>
> One study awhile back in Japan used EEG measurements to measure
> pleasure stimuli.

That would no doubt be this study:

http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/kumigashira/jnp-hse.pdf

This study has quite a checkered past. It has been declined publication in
audio-related referreed publications because of critical flaws, further
discussed below.

> It showed that although participates could not
> hear those high frequencies the "pleasure area" of the brain sure
> did.

The study has critical flaws, noted below.

> Probably why it is so much more pleasing to listen to a wide
> frequency response system as compared to a harsh sounding CD.

When CDs sound harsh, it's far easier to explain. They sound harsh because
they were made to sound harsh by means of traditional audio production tools
such as equalization, compression, and the like.

> I place a lot more value on that kind of study. One that uses actual
> electronic measurements of brain activity rather than subjective
> responses from listeners

It turns out that that study is well-known to have a critical flaw. There
were audible frequency response variations below 20 KHz, presumably because
of some interactions in the test setup. This shows up in figure 1.

[John]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "John" > wrote in message
>
>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>> Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have
>>> kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above
>>> 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of
>>> scientific papers that agree with this idea:
>>>
>>> Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual
>>> Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High
>>> Frequency Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York
>>> about a month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site:
>>> www.aes.org .
>>>
>>> This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a
>>> series of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science &
>>> Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared
>>> the playback of recordings with and without audio signals above 21
>>> KHz.
>>>
>>> 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used:
>>>
>>> 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa"
>>> 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>>> 3 Meditation Vn, Pf
>>> 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf
>>> 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf
>>> 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc
>>> 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax
>>> 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax
>>> 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf
>>> 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc
>>> 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
>>> 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002)
>>> 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of
>>> only white noise.
>>> 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf
>>> 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra
>>> 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova)
>>> 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova)
>>> 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds")
>>> 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds")
>>> 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio)
>>>
>>> "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each
>>> stimulus was evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no
>>> significant difference among the sound stimuli, but that the
>>> correct response rate for three sound stimuli was close to the
>>> significance probability (5% level). It is concluded that one
>>> subject attained a 75% correct response rate which constituted a
>>> significant difference. In order to make a strict statistical test,
>>> we conducted a supplementary test with this subject who had
>>> attained the best correct answer rate in the first test. This
>>> subject evaluated six kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated
>>> each sound stimulus 20 times. As a result, no significant
>>> difference was found among the sound stimuli, and so this subject
>>> could not discriminate between these sound stimuli with and without
>>> very high frequency components."
>>>
>>> In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored
>>> substantially better than random guessing, and when retested, he
>>> could not duplicate his earlier results. This indicates that they
>>> were due to luck. In fact a study of statisitics and actual
>>> experience suggests that with a group of 36 listeners, it is pretty
>>> certain that one or more listeners will get good scores due to luck,
>>> that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested.
>>>
>>> So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty
>>> much the same results, provided you hold all other relevant
>>> variables equal.
>>
>>
>> One study awhile back in Japan used EEG measurements to measure
>> pleasure stimuli.
>
> That would no doubt be this study:
>
> http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/kumigashira/jnp-hse.pdf
>
> This study has quite a checkered past. It has been declined
> publication in audio-related referreed publications because of
> critical flaws, further discussed below.
>
>> It showed that although participates could not
>> hear those high frequencies the "pleasure area" of the brain sure
>> did.
>
> The study has critical flaws, noted below.
>
>> Probably why it is so much more pleasing to listen to a wide
>> frequency response system as compared to a harsh sounding CD.
>
> When CDs sound harsh, it's far easier to explain. They sound harsh
> because they were made to sound harsh by means of traditional audio
> production tools such as equalization, compression, and the like.
>
>> I place a lot more value on that kind of study. One that uses actual
>> electronic measurements of brain activity rather than subjective
>> responses from listeners
>
> It turns out that that study is well-known to have a critical flaw.
> There were audible frequency response variations below 20 KHz,
> presumably because of some interactions in the test setup. This shows
> up in figure 1.


Wrong. The frequency response anomaly is due to the B and K microsphone
used for the measurement. Not what the particpates would have heard.
The correlation between wide frequency response and pleasure listening
to music is a definitive one. Something my brain has always noticed.

[Joseph Oberlander]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> It's more than very common to have a last name that you share with at least
> one other living human, unless it's made up. For example, Infospace finds
> 66 Oberlanders and > 250 Kruegers in California.

Actually, the Census puts it at about 200 families with my last name in the U.S.
Not that common.

Yeah - of those in California - 15 are my father's brothers and families.
I'm terribly easy to locate.

[Joseph Oberlander]

Marc Phillips wrote:

> That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the
> trigger! Pull the trigger!
>
> Boon

It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.

[S888Wheel]

<<
It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>>

Being so small and underpopulated and such.

[Marc Phillips]

Joseph Oberlander said:

>Marc Phillips wrote:
>
>> That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the
>> trigger! Pull the trigger!
>>
>> Boon
>
>It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.

You and I used to live about five miles from each other. And I think GeoSynch
is somewhere close to where I live now. And there's someone else, too, but I
can't remember.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

S888Wheel said:

><<
>It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
> >>
>
>Being so small and underpopulated and such.

It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago, in my last
post.

Boon

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
...
> S888Wheel said:
>
> ><<
> >It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
> > >>
> >
> >Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>
> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago, in my
last
> post.
>
> Boon

I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.




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[S888Wheel]

<<
I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.

I hope I can make it. Thanks again for the invite.

[Stewart Pinkerton]

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:35:41 -0000, "chris"
> wrote:

>You bunch of troll already have you own forum for slagging each other GO
>BACK THERE .
>
>WE DONT NEED THIS SORT OF CONTAMINATION on a SENSIBLY INTELIGENT news
>group.

There are two 'L's in INTELLIGENT, and there's no need to shout... :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

[Arny Krueger]

"John" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:

>> That would no doubt be this study:
>>
>> http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/kumigashira/jnp-hse.pdf
>>
>> This study has quite a checkered past. It has been declined
>> publication in audio-related refereed publications because of
>> critical flaws, further discussed below.
>>
>>> It showed that although participates could not
>>> hear those high frequencies the "pleasure area" of the brain sure
>>> did.
>>
>> The study has critical flaws, noted below.
>>
>>> Probably why it is so much more pleasing to listen to a wide
>>> frequency response system as compared to a harsh sounding CD.
>>
>> When CDs sound harsh, it's far easier to explain. They sound harsh
>> because they were made to sound harsh by means of traditional audio
>> production tools such as equalization, compression, and the like.
>>
>>> I place a lot more value on that kind of study. One that uses
>>> actual electronic measurements of brain activity rather than
>>> subjective responses from listeners
>>
>> It turns out that that study is well-known to have a critical flaw.
>> There were audible frequency response variations below 20 KHz,
>> presumably because of some interactions in the test setup. This shows
>> up in figure 1.

> Wrong. The frequency response anomaly is due to the B and K
> microphone used for the measurement.

Wrong, we're talking about a difference. The same mic was used to make both
relevant measurements.

> Not what the participants would have heard.

Since the difference is clearly there and due to the test setup- how can one
just dismiss it? Mind reading?

> The correlation between wide frequency response and
> pleasure listening to music is a definitive one.

At some point the audibility of frequency response variations becomes highly
controversial, and that point is some place around 20 KHz.

> Something my brain has always noticed.

You can do your own blind listening tests related to the audibility of
sample rates with files you can easily download from
http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm .

[Peter Larsen]

Robert Morein wrote:

> [blah ^ blah]

Robert, you come across as being actively unintelligent.

Please be so kind as to stop advertising that unintelligence in
rec.audio.tech where it is off topic and go back to ra0 or even better
post it to nil so that ra0 may again become rao and thus perhaps worth
visiting.


Peter Larsen


--
************************************************** ***********
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
************************************************** ***********

[tor b]

> (Marc Phillips) wrote in message
> >...
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >I wrote:
> >> >
> >> >You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
> >>
> The Porkster lied:
> >>
> >> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me.
> >>
> >I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
> >made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing
> >for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that
> >isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past
> >as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the
> >google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew.
>
> That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the
> trigger! Pull the trigger!
>
That same Marc A Phillips, current age 41, also has listings for past
residences in Encino, CA and Virginia Beach, VA. Since you are on the
google record as having lived in both Encino and Virginia Beach as
well as Tujunga I think we can safely conclude that you *can* be found
in Locate America, despite your earlier lies. BTW, I have no intention
to "come and get [you]". You are the stalker, not me. I am merely
refuting another one of your many, many lies, Porky.

Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
Middius" be found on Locate America?

[Arny Krueger]

"tor b" > wrote in message
om
>>> (Marc Phillips) wrote in message
>>> >...
>
>>> I wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
>
>> The Porkster lied:

>>>> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None
>>>> are me.

The question here is whether Porky lied or spoke ignorantly. Presuming
incompetence is usually more accurate than presuming malevolence. But then
Porky is one malevolent little ham bone, isn't he?

>>> I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
>>> made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a
>>> listing for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you
>>> saying that isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists
>>> info for past as well as current places of residence. And remember
>>> you are in the google record as saying that your muddle name is
>>> Andrew.

>> That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull
>> the trigger! Pull the trigger!

Is Marc Phillips seriously over the edge or what? Prove Phillips doesn't
know what he is talking about, and he acts like he wants to be murdered, and
now. Very sad.

> That same Marc A Phillips, current age 41, also has listings for past
> residences in Encino, CA and Virginia Beach, VA. Since you are on the
> google record as having lived in both Encino and Virginia Beach as
> well as Tujunga I think we can safely conclude that you *can* be found
> in Locate America, despite your earlier lies. BTW, I have no intention
> to "come and get [you]". You are the stalker, not me. I am merely
> refuting another one of your many, many lies, Porky.

Good job!

> Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
> Middius" be found on Locate America?

The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The connection
between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The interesting
question then becomes who George Middius is an alias for? It could be a
nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say Atkins*n. We already have proof
that the person behind the Middius persona posts under other aliases.

[Goofball_star_dot_etal]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:26:30 +0100, Peter Larsen
> wrote:

>Robert Morein wrote:
>
>> [blah ^ blah]
>
>Robert, you come across as being actively unintelligent.
>
>Please be so kind as to stop advertising that unintelligence in
>rec.audio.tech where it is off topic and go back to ra0 or even better
>post it to nil so that ra0 may again become rao and thus perhaps worth
>visiting.

One is concerned that he may become president, one day,

[Arny Krueger]

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" > wrote in message

> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:26:30 +0100, Peter Larsen
> > wrote:
>
>> Robert Morein wrote:
>>
>>> [blah ^ blah]
>>
>> Robert, you come across as being actively unintelligent.
>>
>> Please be so kind as to stop advertising that unintelligence in
>> rec.audio.tech where it is off topic and go back to ra0 or even
>> better post it to nil so that ra0 may again become rao and thus
>> perhaps worth visiting.
>
> One is concerned that he may become president, one day,

Too probable to be funny! Black humor at its best.

LOL!

[Browntimdc]

"Erik Squires" > wrote in
rvers.com:

Composite of two posts:

> I'm not sure that the higher frequencies matter, but having a mere 3
> samples per cycle at 15kHz doesn't exactly seem like high resolution
> to me.

> Yes, the level at that point is accurate, very accurate.... but take
> any sine wave, and select 3 points on it.
>
> Can you tell the full amplitude of that sine wave at the points in
> between? I can't.
>
> Erik

That's because you don't understand how the technology works.

First, with the signal bandwidth limited to 22kHz you cannot have one
isolated cycle of a 15kHz sinewave. You have to have a burst of waves
with a buildup and decay. So there are more than 3 samples and the
samples occur in different positions of the wave.

Second, the reconstruction filter turns the staircase waveform of digital
values back into a sinewave shape.

A simple way to think of it is that even if no samples actually measure
at the peak of the waveform the reconstruction filter 'rings' with just
the right amount of resonance to reproduce the waveform peak.

Tim

Tim

--

"The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
and the second strongest is to resist it."

Kenneth Graham

[Arny Krueger]

"Dogma4e" > wrote in message

> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The
>> connection between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The
>> interesting question then becomes who George Middius is an alias
>> for? It could be a nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say
>> Atkins*n. We already have proof that the person behind the Middius
>> persona posts under other aliases.
>>
>>
> Arny:
>
> Perhaps if you were to wear a hat made of aluminum foil, it would
> block thoughts like these from entering your head. Couldn't hurt to
> give it a try! ;-)

It may be fun to write stuff like this, but your support for your critical
claims is about as close to zero as one could imagine.

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:

>You are the stalker, not me.

Lie.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message


> On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:

>> You are the stalker, not me.

> Lie.

So speaks the Marc Phillips/Geoge Middius defense league, Nashville chapter.

If Weil was getting the great tips he claims, he'd have something better to
do than cover Marc Phillips butt.

[Torresists]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 11/17/2003 7:24 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"tor b" > wrote in message
om
>>>> (Marc Phillips) wrote in message
>>>> >...
>>
>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
>>
>>> The Porkster lied:
>
>>>>> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None
>>>>> are me.
>
>The question here is whether Porky lied or spoke ignorantly. Presuming
>incompetence is usually more accurate than presuming malevolence.
>
I think it highly unlikely that Porky could see a Locate America listing for
Marc A Phillips, age 41, with past and/or present residences in Tujunga, CA,
Encino, CA, Virginia Beach, VA, and Centreville,VA (in the google record, too,
BTW) and not realize it was his own self. I know he is lacking in
self-awareness, but that is a bit extreme, even for Porky. IMO, just another
lie from the Porkster.



But then
>Porky is one malevolent little ham bone, isn't he?
>
Ignorant and malevolent. A bad combo. :-(
>
>>>> I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
>>>> made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a
>>>> listing for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you
>>>> saying that isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists
>>>> info for past as well as current places of residence. And remember
>>>> you are in the google record as saying that your muddle name is
>>>> Andrew.
>
>>> That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull
>>> the trigger! Pull the trigger!
>
>Is Marc Phillips seriously over the edge or what? Prove Phillips doesn't
>know what he is talking about, and he acts like he wants to be murdered, and
>now. Very sad.
>
Yes, very sad.
>
>> That same Marc A Phillips, current age 41, also has listings for past
>> residences in Encino, CA and Virginia Beach, VA. Since you are on the
>> google record as having lived in both Encino and Virginia Beach as
>> well as Tujunga I think we can safely conclude that you *can* be found
>> in Locate America, despite your earlier lies. BTW, I have no intention
>> to "come and get [you]". You are the stalker, not me. I am merely
>> refuting another one of your many, many lies, Porky.
>
>Good job!
>
Thank you!
>
>> Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
>> Middius" be found on Locate America?
>
>The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias.
>
So obvious as to be beyond question!
>
The connection
>between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious.
>
Perhaps....
>
The interesting
>question then becomes who George Middius is an alias for? It could be a
>nobody
>
That's my guess. The Middius moniker may even be being used by a different
person now than in '97. I think there is evidence to suggest that is indeed the
case.
>
, or it could be a somebody, like say Atkins*n. We already have proof
>that the person behind the Middius persona posts under other aliases.
>
Atkins*n may be a sleazy, pompous blowhard, but I don't think he is "George M.
Middius".

[Torresists]

>From: dave weil
>Date: 11/17/2003 8:58 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>
>>You are the stalker, not me.
>
>Lie.
>
I've archived some posts wherein Marc Phillips has threatened to "hunt [me]
down" and "make [me] accountable". Seems like a stalker to me.
OTOH, I have never made such threats to anyone.

[Torresists]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 11/17/2003 9:02 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>
>> On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>
>>> You are the stalker, not me.
>
>> Lie.
>
>So speaks the Marc Phillips/Geoge Middius defense league, Nashville chapter.
>
I think dave has let his dislike of you cloud his vision. A classic case of
both "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "anyone friendly toward my enemy
is my enemy". IOW, dave weil has been "Middiusized". ;-(

[dave weil]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:02:42 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>
>> On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>
>>> You are the stalker, not me.
>
>> Lie.
>
>So speaks the Marc Phillips/Geoge Middius defense league, Nashville chapter.

I don'tknow about you, but this faux tor b doesn't do much more than
virtually stalk Marc on this newsgroup. Yes, occasionally he gets his
hackles up and attacks me and a few others, but that doesn't mitigate
his Phillips-stalking behavior.

>If Weil was getting the great tips he claims, he'd have something better to
>do than cover Marc Phillips butt.

Using that logic, if you were actually running a business selling PCs,
you have something better to do than to post from 6am until late in
the eening, as you do most days.

At least you can't find me posting while I'm *actually* at work. Like
last night. And I didn't do badly last night as I walked with $110
after waiting on 4 tables. Thanks for asking.

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:

>> (Marc Phillips) wrote in message
>> >...
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >I wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
>> >>
>> The Porkster lied:
>> >>
>> >> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me.
>> >>
>> >I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
>> >made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing
>> >for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that
>> >isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past
>> >as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the
>> >google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew.
>>
>> That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the
>> trigger! Pull the trigger!
>>
>That same Marc A Phillips, current age 41, also has listings for past
>residences in Encino, CA and Virginia Beach, VA. Since you are on the
>google record as having lived in both Encino and Virginia Beach as
>well as Tujunga I think we can safely conclude that you *can* be found
>in Locate America, despite your earlier lies. BTW, I have no intention
>to "come and get [you]". You are the stalker, not me. I am merely
>refuting another one of your many, many lies, Porky.
>
>Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
>Middius" be found on Locate America?

Do they use phone records as well?

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 15:14:52 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>From: dave weil
>>Date: 11/17/2003 8:58 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>
>>>You are the stalker, not me.
>>
>>Lie.
>>
>I've archived some posts wherein Marc Phillips has threatened to "hunt [me]
>down" and "make [me] accountable". Seems like a stalker to me.
>OTOH, I have never made such threats to anyone.

I didn't say you did. Read my statement again.

[dave weil]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>The question here is whether Porky lied or spoke ignorantly. Presuming
>incompetence is usually more accurate than presuming malevolence. But then
>Porky is one malevolent little ham bone, isn't he?

Can you prove that anyone of the people in *LA* are him?

[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

>> (Marc Phillips) wrote in message
>> >...
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >I wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
>> >>
>> The Porkster lied:
>> >>
>> >> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are
>me.
>> >>
>> >I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
>> >made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing
>> >for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that
>> >isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past
>> >as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the
>> >google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew.
>>
>> That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the
>> trigger! Pull the trigger!
>>
>That same Marc A Phillips, current age 41, also has listings for past
>residences in Encino, CA and Virginia Beach, VA.

Great. So if you get in your time machine and travel back to 1985, you can
find me!

Since you are on the
>google record as having lived in both Encino and Virginia Beach as
>well as Tujunga I think we can safely conclude that you *can* be found
>in Locate America, despite your earlier lies.

How can I be found if you only know my previous addresses? That, Internet
geek, is my point.

BTW, I have no intention
>to "come and get [you]". You are the stalker, not me. I am merely
>refuting another one of your many, many lies, Porky.

Name one lie, Internet geek. Just one.

>
>Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
>Middius" be found on Locate America?

Because he has taken steps to avoid harrassment from Internet geeks such as
yourself?

Boon

[dave weil]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The connection
>between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The interesting
>question then becomes who George Middius is an alias for? It could be a
>nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say Atkins*n. We already have proof
>that the person behind the Middius persona posts under other aliases.

Maybe some of the Middius posts are you. After all, it's clear that
there's a distinct possiblity that you have run multiple sockpuppets
over the years.

[Marc Phillips]

dave said:

>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>
>>You are the stalker, not me.
>
>Lie.

Exactly. He had to pay money to find out this information, after all.

Boon

[Dogma4e]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:


>
>The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The connection
>between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The interesting
>question then becomes who George Middius is an alias for? It could be a
>nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say Atkins*n. We already have proof
>that the person behind the Middius persona posts under other aliases.
>
>
Arny:

Perhaps if you were to wear a hat made of aluminum foil, it would
block thoughts like these from entering your head. Couldn't hurt to
give it a try! ;-)

[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

>>From: dave weil
>>Date: 11/17/2003 8:58 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>
>>>You are the stalker, not me.
>>
>>Lie.
>>
>I've archived some posts wherein Marc Phillips has threatened to "hunt [me]
>down" and "make [me] accountable". Seems like a stalker to me.
>OTOH, I have never made such threats to anyone.

Actually, you're the one who followed me around from audio forum to audio forum
disparaging me. Then you went into my e-Bay account, found a dress that my
wife purchased for a movie she was working on, and tried to spread rumors that
I was a transvestite. Now you've paid money to a site to find out where I
live. Those "threats" I made (and if they really were threats, you would have
done something about it by now) were merely responses to your actions against
me.

Wake up, Internet geek. You're the stalker.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Yustabe said:

>"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
...
>> S888Wheel said:
>>
>> ><<
>> >It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>> > >>
>> >
>> >Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>>
>> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago, in my
>last
>> post.
>>
>> Boon
>
>I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.

Excellent! He is more than welcome!

Boon

[Torresists]

>From: dave weil
>Date: 11/17/2003 10:08 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>
>>> (Marc Phillips) wrote in message
>>> >...
>>> >
>>> ><snip>
>>> >
>>> >I wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself.
>>> >>
>>> The Porkster lied:
>>> >>
>>> >> I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are
>me.
>>> >>
>>> >I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you
>>> >made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing
>>> >for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that
>>> >isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past
>>> >as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the
>>> >google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew.
>>>
>>> That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the
>>> trigger! Pull the trigger!
>>>
>>That same Marc A Phillips, current age 41, also has listings for past
>>residences in Encino, CA and Virginia Beach, VA. Since you are on the
>>google record as having lived in both Encino and Virginia Beach as
>>well as Tujunga I think we can safely conclude that you *can* be found
>>in Locate America, despite your earlier lies. BTW, I have no intention
>>to "come and get [you]". You are the stalker, not me. I am merely
>>refuting another one of your many, many lies, Porky.
>>
>>Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
>>Middius" be found on Locate America?
>
>Do they use phone records as well?
>
Yes, they use phone records in addition to info from DMVs (drivers licenses and
automobile registrations), voter registrations, credit applications, bank
accounts, utility accounts etc.

So, if "George M Middius" is an orphan with no relatives in the USA, who
doesn't drive, doesn't vote and pays his bill at the rooming house with the
cash he keeps buried in a coffee can, maybe he really does exist. OTOH, maybe
"George M. Middius" is an alias. Which scenario do you find more plausible,
dave? ;-)

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 16:22:23 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>>Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
>>>Middius" be found on Locate America?
>>
>>Do they use phone records as well?
>>
>Yes, they use phone records in addition to info from DMVs (drivers licenses and
>automobile registrations), voter registrations, credit applications, bank
>accounts, utility accounts etc.
>
>So, if "George M Middius" is an orphan with no relatives in the USA, who
>doesn't drive, doesn't vote and pays his bill at the rooming house with the
>cash he keeps buried in a coffee can, maybe he really does exist. OTOH, maybe
>"George M. Middius" is an alias. Which scenario do you find more plausible,
>dave? ;-)

If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.

Wouldn't you agree?

The real question is - isn't it pretty scary that bank records and
credit applications aren't private, as they should be? Is this the
reason that you hew to a different standard than you require of the
rest of us?

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 16:04:35 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>From: "Arny Krueger"
>>Date: 11/17/2003 9:02 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>>
>>> On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>
>>>> You are the stalker, not me.
>>
>>> Lie.
>>
>>So speaks the Marc Phillips/Geoge Middius defense league, Nashville chapter.
>>
>I think dave has let his dislike of you cloud his vision. A classic case of
>both "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "anyone friendly toward my enemy
>is my enemy". IOW, dave weil has been "Middiusized". ;-(

No, I just call 'em as I see 'em.

[Marc Phillips]

dave said:

>On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>wrote:
>
>>The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The connection
>>between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The interesting
>>question then becomes who George Middius is an alias for? It could be a
>>nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say Atkins*n. We already have proof
>>that the person behind the Middius persona posts under other aliases.
>
>Maybe some of the Middius posts are you. After all, it's clear that
>there's a distinct possiblity that you have run multiple sockpuppets
>over the years.

It's more than a distinct possibility. One of the people that I had trying to
figure out Malesweski's identity was able to uncover the fact that Arny has an
AOL account and has posted to RAO using it. They were also able to find out
that the "torresists" account only visited two websites, RAO and Audio Annex,
which pretty much proves that the account was created to harrass and stalk me.

It's also funny to note that once it was mentioned on RAO that Arny posted on
RAO using his AOL account, that activity stopped completely. Also, this was
around the time the "tony loban" sockpuppet disappeared from the face of the
earth.

Boon

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 16:32:29 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
wrote:

>dave said:
>
>>On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The connection
>>>between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The interesting
>>>question then becomes who George Middius is an alias for? It could be a
>>>nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say Atkins*n. We already have proof
>>>that the person behind the Middius persona posts under other aliases.
>>
>>Maybe some of the Middius posts are you. After all, it's clear that
>>there's a distinct possiblity that you have run multiple sockpuppets
>>over the years.
>
>It's more than a distinct possibility. One of the people that I had trying to
>figure out Malesweski's identity was able to uncover the fact that Arny has an
>AOL account and has posted to RAO using it. They were also able to find out
>that the "torresists" account only visited two websites, RAO and Audio Annex,
>which pretty much proves that the account was created to harrass and stalk me.
>
>It's also funny to note that once it was mentioned on RAO that Arny posted on
>RAO using his AOL account, that activity stopped completely. Also, this was
>around the time the "tony loban" sockpuppet disappeared from the face of the
>earth.
>
>Boon

The only flaw in that argument is that there have been very few
sockpuppets with the abysmal grasp of the English language that Arnold
has. One exception, of course, is zakhahn, another AOL poster.

[Dogma4e]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:46:13 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Dogma4e" > wrote in message

>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The
>>> connection between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The
>>> interesting question then becomes who George Middius is an alias
>>> for? It could be a nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say
>>> Atkins*n. We already have proof that the person behind the Middius
>>> persona posts under other aliases.
>>>
>>>
>> Arny:
>>
>> Perhaps if you were to wear a hat made of aluminum foil, it would
>> block thoughts like these from entering your head. Couldn't hurt to
>> give it a try! ;-)
>
>It may be fun to write stuff like this, but your support for your critical
>claims is about as close to zero as one could imagine.
>
>
Fine by me, Arny. RAO is not the central theme in my life. I just
call 'em like I see 'em, whether I like it or not:

1) Gerg has a BSEE,

2) George lives in Maryland, and;

3) Your obsessions have consumed you.

Go in peace.

[Marc Phillips]

dave said:

>On 17 Nov 2003 16:32:29 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
>wrote:
>
>>dave said:
>>
>>>On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The
>connection
>>>>between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The interesting
>>>>question then becomes who George Middius is an alias for? It could be a
>>>>nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say Atkins*n. We already have
>proof
>>>>that the person behind the Middius persona posts under other aliases.
>>>
>>>Maybe some of the Middius posts are you. After all, it's clear that
>>>there's a distinct possiblity that you have run multiple sockpuppets
>>>over the years.
>>
>>It's more than a distinct possibility. One of the people that I had trying
>to
>>figure out Malesweski's identity was able to uncover the fact that Arny has
>an
>>AOL account and has posted to RAO using it. They were also able to find out
>>that the "torresists" account only visited two websites, RAO and Audio
>Annex,
>>which pretty much proves that the account was created to harrass and stalk
>me.
>>
>>It's also funny to note that once it was mentioned on RAO that Arny posted
>on
>>RAO using his AOL account, that activity stopped completely. Also, this was
>>around the time the "tony loban" sockpuppet disappeared from the face of the
>>earth.
>>
>>Boon
>
>The only flaw in that argument is that there have been very few
>sockpuppets with the abysmal grasp of the English language that Arnold
>has. One exception, of course, is zakhahn, another AOL poster.

That's true. That's also an argument that George has held, that Arny's use of
the language would betray him. I also remember, however, that tony loban could
barely punctuate and never capitalized. And most of his posts were just short,
rabid bursts of bitterness anyway, and it could be difficult to ascertain an
actual writing style.

Also, Arny uses this argument a bit too readily..."I can't sockpuppet because
my writing style is too sucky and I can't hide it!" This has always seemed a
bit too convenient for me. This is possible and actually probable, but it's
not air-tight. One thing about these Internet geeks is that they really enjoy
their subterfuge. And Arny has written articles and papers, which may or may
not have received generous help from an editor.

Nevertheless, the proof was there that Arny posted on RAO from an AOL account.
The people who did this work for me were unfamiliar with the goings-on on RAO.
I didn't even mention Arny to them at first...they were tracking Malesweski and
noticed the e-mails going back and forth. At the very least, Arny could be
appearing on RAO as a newbie, asking questions that he could never be caught
asking as Arny Krueger, Internet geek.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> dave said:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:05 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The
>>> connection between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The
>>> interesting question then becomes who George Middius is an alias
>>> for? It could be a nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say
>>> Atkins*n. We already have proof that the person behind the Middius
>>> persona posts under other aliases.
>>
>> Maybe some of the Middius posts are you. After all, it's clear that
>> there's a distinct possiblity that you have run multiple sockpuppets
>> over the years.
>
> It's more than a distinct possibility. One of the people that I had
> trying to figure out Malesweski's identity was able to uncover the
> fact that Arny has an AOL account and has posted to RAO using it.

I have an AOL account that I rarely use. It's trivial for an AOL user to
discover. I have never posted to any newsgroup from it. This false report
from Marc Philips shows how incompetent the man and his sources are.

OTOH Marc and/or other RAO attack dog trolls hide themselves and their
sockpuppets such as "Kevin" the RAO pedophile fantasy behind an AOL veil.
Marc Phillips' false claims are just a smokescreen for his own reprehensible
antics and those of his supporters, those he supports, and the reprehensible
pedophile fantasies they post on RAO.


> It's also funny to note that once it was mentioned on RAO that Arny
> posted on RAO using his AOL account, that activity stopped
> completely.

It never started. Tell you what Marc - name the post that I made and prove
conclusively that I made it. All of google is at your disposal.

> Also, this was around the time the "tony loban"
> sockpuppet disappeared from the face of the earth.

Irrelevant. The only things I know about "Tony Loban" are what I read on
RAO.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On 17 Nov 2003 16:04:35 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:
>
>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 11/17/2003 9:02 AM Central Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You are the stalker, not me.
>>>
>>>> Lie.
>>>
>>> So speaks the Marc Phillips/Geoge Middius defense league, Nashville
>>> chapter.
>>>
>> I think dave has let his dislike of you cloud his vision. A classic
>> case of both "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "anyone
>> friendly toward my enemy is my enemy". IOW, dave weil has been
>> "Middiusized". ;-(
>
> No, I just call 'em as I see 'em.

As you see them through eyes clouded by blind hatred, Weil.

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>I have an AOL account that I rarely use. It's trivial for an AOL user...

Dude, at this point why defend yourself? Do you really think people take what
you say at face value anymore?

Oh, I forgot...typing constantly fills up your empty life.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On 17 Nov 2003 16:04:35 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:
>>
>>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>>> Date: 11/17/2003 9:02 AM Central Standard Time
>>>> Message-id: >
>>>>
>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You are the stalker, not me.
>>>>
>>>>> Lie.
>>>>
>>>> So speaks the Marc Phillips/Geoge Middius defense league, Nashville
>>>> chapter.
>>>>
>>> I think dave has let his dislike of you cloud his vision. A classic
>>> case of both "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "anyone
>>> friendly toward my enemy is my enemy". IOW, dave weil has been
>>> "Middiusized". ;-(
>>
>> No, I just call 'em as I see 'em.
>
>As you see them through eyes clouded by blind hatred, Weil.

Do you ever think, after writing something as stupid as this, that your
paranoia might be raging out of control? Away from you're keyboard, Arny,
you're nothing. You're kidding yourself.

Boon

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said to The Thing:

> If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
> it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
> Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.
>
> Wouldn't you agree?

It probably doesn't understand your point.

It's mildly amusing to watch RAO's leading Kroopologist make up
theories about who I am. Maybe I can tease the little ****bird a
little: I believe it is correct that nobody else in the U.S. has the
same last name as me. Nonetheless, it is my name. It is not my
mother's name or my brother's name, though.

Who am I? ;-)

> The real question is - isn't it pretty scary that bank records and
> credit applications aren't private, as they should be? Is this the
> reason that you hew to a different standard than you require of the
> rest of us?

All Thing really wants is for somebody to argue with it about
something inconsequential. You are enabling it in whatever addiction
or disease controls it.

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said to The Thing:

> >IOW, dave weil has been "Middiusized". ;-(

> No, I just call 'em as I see 'em.

That is true. dave has successfully resisted many of my attempts to
coopt his allegiance, despite the enormous power of my mind.

[Torresists]

>From: (Marc Phillips)
>Date: 11/17/2003 10:20 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Richard Malesweski said:
>
He did? I'm confused, Porky, I thought you were making the case that
"Malesweski" was actually Arny....but then, I'm Arny, too, right? LOL!!!!
>
>>>From: dave weil
>>>Date: 11/17/2003 8:58 AM Central Standard Time
>>>Message-id: >
>>>
>>>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>>
>>>>You are the stalker, not me.
>>>
>>>Lie.
>>>
>>I've archived some posts wherein Marc Phillips has threatened to "hunt [me]
>>down" and "make [me] accountable". Seems like a stalker to me.
>>OTOH, I have never made such threats to anyone.
>
>Actually, you're the one who followed me around from audio forum to audio
>forum
>disparaging me.
>
Disparaging you? I merely spoke the truth. BTW, you don't seem to cry foul when
your buddy "George" follows people like Joe Duffy from forum to forum harassing
him, do you? Hypocrite!
>
Then you went into my e-Bay account,
>
I hacked into your eBay account???? LOL!!!!
>
found a dress that my
>wife purchased for a movie she was working on, and tried to spread rumors
>that
>I was a transvestite.
>
I think you may well be one, Porky. The dress was XXL, just about right for
your porcine ass.
>
Now you've paid money to a site to find out where I
>live.
>
Wrong, Porky:

1) I didn't spend a penny for that info. See if you can figure out why and
report back.

2) I don't care where you live. The point was that you could be found on Locate
America, even if at an old address, because you are an actual person with a
license, voter registration, bank account, etc., etc. OTOH, "George M. Middius"
*can't* be found on Locate America because "George M. Middius' is an alias.
Thank you for helping me make that point. If you hadn't stuck your fat ass into
the thread, I couldn't have used you as an example of how real people leave a
trail on Locate America even if they currently have an unlisted or unpublished
phone number.
>
Those "threats" I made (and if they really were threats, you would
>have
>done something about it by now) were merely responses to your actions against
>me.
>
I pushed your buttons, you flew into a rage and starting making threats. Those
posts have been archived should they ever be needed. Live with it and learn
from it.
>
>Wake up, Internet geek. You're the stalker.
>
Sure, Porky....

[Torresists]

>From: (Marc Phillips)
>Date: 11/17/2003 10:15 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>dave said:
>
>>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>
>>>You are the stalker, not me.
>>
>>Lie.
>
>Exactly. He had to pay money to find out this information, after all.
>
"this information" didn't cost me one red cent, Porky.

[Dogma4e]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:45:21 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>It's mildly amusing to watch RAO's leading Kroopologist make up
>theories about who I am. Maybe I can tease the little ****bird a
>little: I believe it is correct that nobody else in the U.S. has the
>same last name as me. Nonetheless, it is my name. It is not my
>mother's name or my brother's name, though.
>
>Who am I? ;-)
>
The result of some diplomatic exhange of good will?

[Torresists]

>From: dave weil
>Date: 11/17/2003 10:27 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 17 Nov 2003 16:22:23 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:
>
>>>>Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
>>>>Middius" be found on Locate America?
>>>
>>>Do they use phone records as well?
>>>
>>Yes, they use phone records in addition to info from DMVs (drivers licenses
>and
>>automobile registrations), voter registrations, credit applications, bank
>>accounts, utility accounts etc.
>>
>>So, if "George M Middius" is an orphan with no relatives in the USA, who
>>doesn't drive, doesn't vote and pays his bill at the rooming house with the
>>cash he keeps buried in a coffee can, maybe he really does exist. OTOH,
>maybe
>>"George M. Middius" is an alias. Which scenario do you find more plausible,
>>dave? ;-)
>
>If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
>it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
>Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.
>
>Wouldn't you agree?
>
No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered by the
person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of internet phone
directory sites. It means nothing.
>
>The real question is - isn't it pretty scary that bank records and
>credit applications aren't private, as they should be?
>
Yes, it is a matter for concern.
>
Is this the
>reason that you hew to a different standard than you require of the
>rest of us?
>
My point in all this, dave, isn't that using an alias is somehow wrong. The
point is that "George M. Middius" is clearly an alias, yet "George" insists it
is his real name as he screams that other posters are "anonymous cowards",
"YACAs", etc.

[Lionel]

Marc Phillips wrote:
> Yustabe said:
>
>
>>"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>S888Wheel said:
>>>
>>>
>>>><<
>>>>It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>>>>
>>>>Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>>>
>>>It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago, in my
>>
>>last
>>
>>>post.
>>>
>>>Boon
>>
>>I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.
>
>
> Excellent! He is more than welcome!
>
> Boon

I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Arny said:
>
>> I have an AOL account that I rarely use. It's trivial for an AOL
>> user...
>
> Dude, at this point why defend yourself? Do you really think people
> take what you say at face value anymore?

Absolutely, hence your need to attack what I say.

> Oh, I forgot...typing constantly fills up your empty life.

Except, I don't type constantly.

Try another lie Phillips, maybe someone will believe it!

LOL!

[Lionel]

George M. Middius wrote:

>
> dave weil said to The Thing:
>
>
>>>IOW, dave weil has been "Middiusized". ;-(
>
>
>>No, I just call 'em as I see 'em.
>
>
> That is true. dave has successfully resisted many of my attempts to
> coopt his allegiance, despite the enormous power of my mind.
>
>
:-(

[Arny Krueger]

"Lionel" > wrote in message

> Marc Phillips wrote:
>> Yustabe said:
>>
>>
>>> "Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> S888Wheel said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <<
>>>>> It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>>>>
>>>> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago,
>>>> in my
>>>
>>> last
>>>
>>>> post.
>
>>>> Boon

>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.

>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!

Payoff time.

>> Boon

> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".

Yes, it's a meeting of the west coast chapter of the Arny Krueger fan club.
They can all entertain themselves by bragging about how they have structured
their lives around me.

> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)

I think they're into something a little stronger than that...

[Torresists]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 11/17/2003 12:28 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Lionel" > wrote in message

>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>> Yustabe said:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> S888Wheel said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> <<
>>>>>> It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago,
>>>>> in my
>>>>
>>>> last
>>>>
>>>>> post.
>>
>>>>> Boon
>
>>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.
>
>>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!
>
>Payoff time.
>
>>> Boon
>
>> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
>
>Yes, it's a meeting of the west coast chapter of the Arny Krueger fan club.
>They can all entertain themselves by bragging about how they have structured
>their lives around me.
>
>> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
>
>I think they're into something a little stronger than that...
>
Krylon or lacquer thinner fumes, perhaps? ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Torresists" > wrote in message

>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>> Date: 11/17/2003 12:28 PM Central Standard Time
>> Message-id: >
>>
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>>> Yustabe said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> S888Wheel said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <<
>>>>>>> It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago,
>>>>>> in my
>>>>>
>>>>> last
>>>>>
>>>>>> post.
>>>
>>>>>> Boon
>>
>>>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Saturday, Dec 6, by email.
>>
>>>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!
>>
>> Payoff time.
>>
>>>> Boon
>>
>>> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
>>
>> Yes, it's a meeting of the west coast chapter of the Arny Krueger
>> fan club. They can all entertain themselves by bragging about how
>> they have structured their lives around me.
>>
>>> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
>>
>> I think they're into something a little stronger than that...
>>
> Krylon or lacquer thinner fumes, perhaps? ;-)

At their level of economic development, it's probably some house-brand
discount hardware store chain solvent that they're sniffing. Or raw
gasoline, siphoned from a car down the street.

BTW I did a study of the posting habits of Marc Phillips, prior to his first
posts on RAO.

Up until about some time between May 27, 1999 and June 12, 1999 Marc
Phillips posted on computer-related forums like comp.unix.sco.misc. After
that period of time, Marc Phillips posting to the computer-related forums
stopped or became vastly reduced. RAO posting by the obnoxious know-it-all
Marc Phillips we all know and love commenced.

Interestingly enough, the computer-related Marc Phillips posts seem to often
have a strong odor of panic and cluelessness. If you go back far enough,
the "Marc Phillips" posts are signed "R. Marc Phillips".

Maybe I'm missing something here, but maybe this is an interesting soap
opera. What do you think?

[Arny Krueger]

"Glans, I" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>>>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.
>>
>>>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!
>>
>> Payoff time.
>
> ?
>
>>>> Boon
>>
>>> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
>>
>> Yes, it's a meeting of the west coast chapter of the Arny Krueger
>> fan club. They can all entertain themselves by bragging about how
>> they have structured their lives around me.
>
> When a person goes to the circus to see a clown, are they structuring
> their lives around the clown? No, they just go to laugh in his face.
>
>>> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
>>
>> I think they're into something a little stronger than that...
>
> The implication is obvious here : Krueger is alleging that Scott
> Wheeler takes illicit drugs.
>
> Recorded.

That would be "sniffs", a self-medication strategy I'm sure you are familiar
with, Dormer.

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

>> Arny said:
>>
>>> I have an AOL account that I rarely use. It's trivial for an AOL
>>> user...
>>
>> Dude, at this point why defend yourself? Do you really think people
>> take what you say at face value anymore?
>
>Absolutely, hence your need to attack what I say.
>
>> Oh, I forgot...typing constantly fills up your empty life.
>
>Except, I don't type constantly.
>
>Try another lie Phillips, maybe someone will believe it!
>
>LOL!

Lies, lies, everywhere, yet not a shred of evidence to speak!

Boon

[George M. Middius]

PD said to ****-for-Brains:

> I am familiar with these practices, yes - they are often publicized in
> the media.

Krooger is forming a custom-designed 12-step program called Liars
Anonymous. The recitations about God should be amusing, at least to
anybody who knows Mr. **** from his other group, Hypocrites Anonymous.

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>"Torresists" > wrote in message

>>> From: "Arny Krueger"
>>> Date: 11/17/2003 12:28 PM Central Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>>>> Yustabe said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> S888Wheel said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <<
>>>>>>>> It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago,
>>>>>>> in my
>>>>>>
>>>>>> last
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> post.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Boon
>>>
>>>>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Saturday, Dec 6, by email.
>>>
>>>>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!
>>>
>>> Payoff time.
>>>
>>>>> Boon
>>>
>>>> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
>>>
>>> Yes, it's a meeting of the west coast chapter of the Arny Krueger
>>> fan club. They can all entertain themselves by bragging about how
>>> they have structured their lives around me.
>>>
>>>> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
>>>
>>> I think they're into something a little stronger than that...
>>>
>> Krylon or lacquer thinner fumes, perhaps? ;-)
>
>At their level of economic development, it's probably some house-brand
>discount hardware store chain solvent that they're sniffing. Or raw
>gasoline, siphoned from a car down the street.
>
>BTW I did a study of the posting habits of Marc Phillips, prior to his first
>posts on RAO.
>
>Up until about some time between May 27, 1999 and June 12, 1999 Marc
>Phillips posted on computer-related forums like comp.unix.sco.misc. After
>that period of time, Marc Phillips posting to the computer-related forums
>stopped or became vastly reduced. RAO posting by the obnoxious know-it-all
>Marc Phillips we all know and love commenced.
>
>Interestingly enough, the computer-related Marc Phillips posts seem to often
>have a strong odor of panic and cluelessness. If you go back far enough,
>the "Marc Phillips" posts are signed "R. Marc Phillips".
>
>Maybe I'm missing something here, but maybe this is an interesting soap
>opera. What do you think?

I think you're looking at some other guy. Actually, I know it.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

>>From: (Marc Phillips)
>>Date: 11/17/2003 10:15 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>dave said:
>>
>>>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>>
>>>>You are the stalker, not me.
>>>
>>>Lie.
>>
>>Exactly. He had to pay money to find out this information, after all.
>>
>"this information" didn't cost me one red cent, Porky.

Spoken like a true Internet geek. Did you hack your way into Locate America's
system?

BTW, the lack of capitalization above is a slip, isn't it?

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

>>From: (Marc Phillips)
>>Date: 11/17/2003 10:20 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>Richard Malesweski said:
>>
>He did? I'm confused, Porky, I thought you were making the case that
>"Malesweski" was actually Arny....but then, I'm Arny, too, right? LOL!!!!

Yeah, I'm sure you "thought" that.

>>
>>>>From: dave weil
>>>>Date: 11/17/2003 8:58 AM Central Standard Time
>>>>Message-id: >
>>>>
>>>>On 17 Nov 2003 04:27:34 -0800, (tor b) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You are the stalker, not me.
>>>>
>>>>Lie.
>>>>
>>>I've archived some posts wherein Marc Phillips has threatened to "hunt [me]
>>>down" and "make [me] accountable". Seems like a stalker to me.
>>>OTOH, I have never made such threats to anyone.
>>
>>Actually, you're the one who followed me around from audio forum to audio
>>forum
>>disparaging me.
>>
>Disparaging you? I merely spoke the truth. BTW, you don't seem to cry foul
>when
>your buddy "George" follows people like Joe Duffy from forum to forum
>harassing
>him, do you? Hypocrite!

First of all, I'm not aware of the George and Duffy situation, therefore I
cannot be a hypocrite. Second, you seem to be following Arny's fallacious
argument that I'm responsible for the behavior of others here. That's
ridiculous.

>>
> Then you went into my e-Bay account,
>>
>I hacked into your eBay account???? LOL!!!!

Where did I say "hack"? Hmmm, it's right there, an inch away on my screen.
Nope, I never said hack.

>>
>found a dress that my
>>wife purchased for a movie she was working on, and tried to spread rumors
>>that
>>I was a transvestite.
>>
>I think you may well be one, Porky. The dress was XXL, just about right for
>your porcine ass.

And your constant interest in me, my life, my family, the websites and audio
forums I visit, and the kind of person I might be in your fantasies, all
constitute a stalking-type behavior.

>>
> Now you've paid money to a site to find out where I
>>live.
>>
>Wrong, Porky:
>
>1) I didn't spend a penny for that info. See if you can figure out why and
>report back.

Sounds like an assignment for an Internet geek.

>
>2) I don't care where you live. The point was that you could be found on
>Locate
>America, even if at an old address, because you are an actual person with a
>license, voter registration, bank account, etc., etc. OTOH, "George M.
>Middius"
>*can't* be found on Locate America because "George M. Middius' is an alias.

See, here's one of your problems. I've never disputed that George M. Middius
is an alias. What I have done is disputed its relevance. "George Middius" is
someone I can e-mail, or phone. I've been able to do that for the five years
I've posted on RAO. If George turns out to be Bob Jones, or Frank Smith, or
Chuck Ufarley, then that's his business. If he turns out to be Arny Krueger or
John Atkinson, then there may be a problem. But until you prove this, it's all
just sad, paranoid rantings from yet an other Internet geek.

And, in case you've forgotten, a real hypocrite is someone, like you, who posts
under nothing but aliases, complaining about others who do the same. You've
always shrunk from this issue, haven't you.

>Thank you for helping me make that point. If you hadn't stuck your fat ass
>into
>the thread, I couldn't have used you as an example of how real people leave a
>trail on Locate America even if they currently have an unlisted or
>unpublished
>phone number.

Well, that's fine. Except I was able to go onto some of those sites, and none
of the information on me was 100% accurate. Those sites are famous for being
seriously flawed, something an Internet geek like you should know. For
instance, I had to recently get in touch with my ex-wife, whom I haven't seen
in thirteen years, and haven't talked to in eight. None of those search
engines were successful in locating her, even though she was in the military,
and her current husband is career military. If anyone is trackable, it should
be then. Once I left the Internet and used some more reliable resources, it
was very easy to locate her.

>>
> Those "threats" I made (and if they really were threats, you would
>>have
>>done something about it by now) were merely responses to your actions
>against
>>me.
>>
>I pushed your buttons, you flew into a rage and starting making threats.
>Those
>posts have been archived should they ever be needed. Live with it and learn
>from it.

I'm not at all worried about it. In fact, once more for the record, hope that
we never meet in person.

>>
>>Wake up, Internet geek. You're the stalker.
>>
>Sure, Porky....

Failure to effectively prove your point noted.

Boon

[Lou]

What is the lesser of 2 evils? It is EVIL! Evil is evil, the lesser degree
does not make it good...

--
Best Regards,

Lou
"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***,
> > > McCarty is a bad human being.
> > >
> >
> > How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face
> > before you will realize that he is a bad human being?
> >
> I'll admit, I wouldn't want to have him around the house. But it's a
matter
> of degree:
>
> Arny is very rude. (-1)
> He lies to win arguments. (-2)
> When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-1)
> Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-2)
> Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to
> audio (-2)
> Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have seen
> him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific
> delusion.
>
> On the other hand,
> McCarty is incredibly rude (-3)
> McCarty lies to defame (-10)
> McCarty tries to cheat people out of their money (-5)
> McCarty posts his attacks under assumed names (-5).
> McCarty has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown
> psychopath (-10)
> McCarty has tried to do me personal harm (-10) (can't avoid the
> personalization here!).
> McCarty is generally destructive, to investors, to usenet, and to himself
> (-10).
>
> Score for Krueger: -8
> Score for McCarty: -53
>
>
>
>
>

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 18:06:13 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
>>it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
>>Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.
>>
>>Wouldn't you agree?
>>
>No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered by the
>person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of internet phone
>directory sites. It means nothing.

And yet, it should have picked up the listing for George M. Middius.

I'm not saying anything about the veracity of the listing, just that
the listing *should* have shown up. The fact that it didn't speaks
volumes.

[Torresists]

>From: dave weil
>Date: 11/17/2003 3:10 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 17 Nov 2003 18:06:13 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:
>
>>>If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
>>>it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
>>>Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't you agree?
>>>
>>No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered by the
>>person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of internet phone
>>directory sites. It means nothing.
>
>And yet, it should have picked up the listing for George M. Middius.
>
>I'm not saying anything about the veracity of the listing, just that
>the listing *should* have shown up. The fact that it didn't speaks
>volumes.
>
The questionable veracity of many internet directory sites is likely why sites
such as Locate America do not include them in their database.

[Goofball_star_dot_etal]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:13:22 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Too probable to be funny! Black humor at its best.
>
>LOL!
>
>

We must get together to do the good cop, bad cop routine some time. .
..

[Arny Krueger]

"Torresists" > wrote in message


>> From: dave weil
>> Date: 11/17/2003 10:27 AM Central Standard Time
>> Message-id: >

>> If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
>> it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
>> Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.

>> Wouldn't you agree?

> No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered by
> the person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of
> internet phone directory sites. It means nothing.

Agreed.

> My point in all this, dave, isn't that using an alias is somehow
> wrong. The point is that "George M. Middius" is clearly an alias, yet
> "George" insists it is his real name as he screams that other posters
> are "anonymous cowards", "YACAs", etc.

Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's quite
clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no genuine interest
in discussing audio.

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 21:24:18 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>From: dave weil
>>Date: 11/17/2003 3:10 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>On 17 Nov 2003 18:06:13 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:
>>
>>>>If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
>>>>it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
>>>>Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.
>>>>
>>>>Wouldn't you agree?
>>>>
>>>No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered by the
>>>person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of internet phone
>>>directory sites. It means nothing.
>>
>>And yet, it should have picked up the listing for George M. Middius.
>>
>>I'm not saying anything about the veracity of the listing, just that
>>the listing *should* have shown up. The fact that it didn't speaks
>>volumes.
>>
>The questionable veracity of many internet directory sites is likely why sites
>such as Locate America do not include them in their database.

And yet, Locate America only shows two of my three Nashville addresses
(unless you stipulate that I'm 82 years old).

Sorry, but this database is also flawed to the point of not being able
to use it for your purposes.

[Torresists]

>From: (Marc Phillips)
>Date: 11/17/2003 1:54 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >

<snip>

I wrote:



> I don't care where you live. The point was that you could be found on
>>Locate
>>America, even if at an old address, because you are an actual person with a
>>license, voter registration, bank account, etc., etc. OTOH, "George
M.Middius"
>>*can't* be found on Locate America because "George M. Middius' is an alias.

The Porkster replied:


>See, here's one of your problems. I've never disputed that George M. Middius
>is an alias.
>
But "George" maintains that "George M. Middius" is his real name. Which is it,
Porky: real name or alias? In your opinion, is "George" lying or is he telling
the truth?
>
>What I have done is disputed its relevance.
>
The "relevance", Porky, is the hypocrisy of someone who posts under an alias
calling others who do so "anonymous coward", "YACA", etc. That was the point I
made at the very start of this thread.
>
"George Middius"
>is
>someone I can e-mail, or phone. I've been able to do that for the five years
>I've posted on RAO.
>
Irrelevant.

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said to The Thing:

> Sorry, but this database is also flawed to the point of not being able
> to use it for your purposes.

Did Thing ever tell us what its real name is?

[Torresists]

>From: George M. Middius
>Date: 11/17/2003 4:10 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>
>dave weil said to The Thing:
>
>> Sorry, but this database is also flawed to the point of not being able
>> to use it for your purposes.
>
>Did Thing ever tell us what its real name is?
>
You go first, "George": tell us your real name.

[Torresists]

>From: "Arny Krueger"
>Date: 11/17/2003 4:18 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

>> dave weil said to The Thing:
>>
>>> Sorry, but this database is also flawed to the point of not being
>>> able to use it for your purposes.
>>
>> Did Thing ever tell us what its real name is?
>
>Only a sincere question if you first tell us what your real name is,
>Middius.
>
>Otherwise, this question is just another example of your hypocrisy.
>
Agreed!

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

> dave weil said to The Thing:
>
>> Sorry, but this database is also flawed to the point of not being
>> able to use it for your purposes.
>
> Did Thing ever tell us what its real name is?

Only a sincere question if you first tell us what your real name is,
Middius.

Otherwise, this question is just another example of your hypocrisy.

[S888Wheel]

<<

Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's quite
clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no genuine interest
in discussing audio.

This comming from a guy who just crapped on an all audio thread with personal
attacks based on fantasies. Rather hypocritical me thinks.

[S888Wheel]

yustabe said

<<
>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email. >><BR><BR>

Marc said

<<
>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!


arny said


<<
Payoff time.


WTF?

Lionel said


<<

> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".

I got the impression that it was a gathering of audiophiles for the purpose of
listening to music and socializing. That is what i am looking forward to. I
realize this concept may seem quite foriegn to Arny and co.

Arny said


<<
Yes, it's a meeting of the west coast chapter of the Arny Krueger fan club.
They can all entertain themselves by bragging about how they have structured
their lives around me. >><BR><BR>


The fantasies continue. sad.....

Lionel said

<<
> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)


Arny said


<<
I think they're into something a little stronger than that...


I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have. And, I don't abuse
drugs or use illegal drugs of any kind. I never have. Arny's sociopathic
fantasy world continues to expand.

[S888Wheel]

<<
Krylon or lacquer thinner fumes, perhaps? ;-)

Are those your substance abuses of choice? That would explain a lot.

[S888Wheel]

<<
At their level of economic development, it's probably some house-brand
discount hardware store chain solvent that they're sniffing. Or raw
gasoline, siphoned from a car down the street.


The sociopathic fantasies continue to grow. Interesting that someone who sees
25K as the equivalent of the lottery is fantasizing about others being
financially strapped. I guess projecting is the most soothing type of fantasy
to ease the pain of a life of underachievement.

Arny said

<<
BTW I did a study of the posting habits of Marc Phillips, prior to his first
posts on RAO.


Now that is time well spent. You do this sort of idiotic obsessive nonsense on
top of posting 90,000 times or more over the years on Usenet? That alone could
make one an underachiever.

Arny said


<<
Maybe I'm missing something here, but maybe this is an interesting soap
opera. What do you think?

I think a mind is a terrible thing to waste even if one isn't the sharpest
knife in the drawer.

[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>"Torresists" > wrote in message

>
>>> From: dave weil
>>> Date: 11/17/2003 10:27 AM Central Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>
>>> If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
>>> it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
>>> Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.
>
>>> Wouldn't you agree?
>
>> No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered by
>> the person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of
>> internet phone directory sites. It means nothing.
>
>Agreed.
>
>> My point in all this, dave, isn't that using an alias is somehow
>> wrong. The point is that "George M. Middius" is clearly an alias, yet
>> "George" insists it is his real name as he screams that other posters
>> are "anonymous cowards", "YACAs", etc.
>
>Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
>perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's quite
>clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no genuine interest
>in discussing audio.

There's one way to prove your point. Just leave the group and see what
happens. And I mean for longer than a week.

Too bad this will never happen. You're hopelessly addicted to the Internet,
and you can't function without it. I guess we just have to wait for you to
die. Then we can discuss audio again.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

>>From: (Marc Phillips)
>>Date: 11/17/2003 1:54 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>
><snip>

Yeah, a lot of snipping happened in this post, didn't it, Internet geek.

>
>I wrote:
>
>
>
>> I don't care where you live. The point was that you could be found on
>>>Locate
>>>America, even if at an old address, because you are an actual person with a
>>>license, voter registration, bank account, etc., etc. OTOH, "George
>M.Middius"
>>>*can't* be found on Locate America because "George M. Middius' is an alias.
>
>The Porkster replied:
>
>
>>See, here's one of your problems. I've never disputed that George M.
>Middius
>>is an alias.
>>
>But "George" maintains that "George M. Middius" is his real name. Which is
>it,
>Porky: real name or alias? In your opinion, is "George" lying or is he
>telling
>the truth?

George has identified himself to me as George M. Middius. Today he confirmed
to RAO that that was indeed his name. So unless you can prove otherwise, there
really isn't any reason for me to care what his "real name" is. Get it,
dumbass?

>>
>>What I have done is disputed its relevance.
>>
>The "relevance", Porky, is the hypocrisy of someone who posts under an alias
>calling others who do so "anonymous coward", "YACA", etc.

And yet you haven't proven this to be true. Kinda jumpin' the gun, eh, Internet
geek?

That was the point
>I
>made at the very start of this thread.
>>
> "George Middius"
>>is
>>someone I can e-mail, or phone. I've been able to do that for the five
>years
>>I've posted on RAO.
>>
>Irrelevant.

Like most Internet geeks, it's you that is irrelevant.

Boon

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Torresists" > wrote in message
...
>
> So, if "George M Middius" is an orphan with no relatives in the USA, who
> doesn't drive, doesn't vote and pays his bill at the rooming house with
the
> cash he keeps buried in a coffee can, maybe he really does exist. OTOH,
maybe
> "George M. Middius" is an alias. Which scenario do you find more
plausible,
> dave? ;-)

What difference would it make anyway?
We don't know who you are, and I don't complaine about that.
Each of us here is just a voice and a personality. It doesn't matter
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[George M. Middius]

Sockpuppet Yustabe said to The Thing:

> We don't know who you are, and I don't complaine about that.
> Each of us here is just a voice and a personality. It doesn't matter
> whether we know each other's real identities.

One thing we can be certain of is that Arnii Krooger is too stupid to
disguise himself. Yes, RAO, there is a Krooborg.

[George M. Middius]

Sockpuppet Yustabe said to The Thing:

> We don't know who you are, and I don't complaine about that.
> Each of us here is just a voice and a personality. It doesn't matter
> whether we know each other's real identities.

One thing we can be certain of is that Arnii Krooger is too stupid to
disguise himself. Yes, RAO, there is a Krooborg.

[Joseph Oberlander]

Neat search engine. - They have my last four residences but not in the
right order. My current one is right, but the others are listed in the
reverse order(plus they missed the fact that I lived in two in Northridge)
Still neat.

[Joseph Oberlander]

Torresists wrote:

> So, if "George M Middius" is an orphan with no relatives in the USA, who
> doesn't drive, doesn't vote and pays his bill at the rooming house with the
> cash he keeps buried in a coffee can, maybe he really does exist. OTOH, maybe
> "George M. Middius" is an alias. Which scenario do you find more plausible,
> dave? ;-)

Given that it's Middius, I honestly don't know.

;)

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

> <<
>
> Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
> perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's
> quite clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no
> genuine interest in discussing audio.

> This cumming from a guy who just crapped on an all audio thread with
> personal attacks based on fantasies.

You've never proven my claims to be incorrect. You've never provided any
contradictory evidence.

>Rather hypocritical me thinks.

There's never been any evidence that you can think at all, sockpuppet wheel.

[Arny Krueger]

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Arny said:
>
>> "Torresists" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>> From: dave weil
>>>> Date: 11/17/2003 10:27 AM Central Standard Time
>>>> Message-id: >
>>
>>>> If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallible,
>>>> as it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius
>>>> listing in Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available
>>>> through Google.
>>
>>>> Wouldn't you agree?
>>
>>> No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered
>>> by the person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of
>>> internet phone directory sites. It means nothing.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>> My point in all this, dave, isn't that using an alias is somehow
>>> wrong. The point is that "George M. Middius" is clearly an alias,
>>> yet "George" insists it is his real name as he screams that other
>>> posters are "anonymous cowards", "YACAs", etc.
>>
>> Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
>> perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's
>> quite clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no
>> genuine interest in discussing audio.

> There's one way to prove your point. Just leave the group and see
> what happens. And I mean for longer than a week.

Please explain how leaving the group would prove my point.

> Too bad this will never happen.

Gosh, I might die some day. Or Phillips do you believe that I'm immortal?

>You're hopelessly addicted to the
> Internet, and you can't function without it.

The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
function without it?

> I guess we just have to wait for you to die.

Given your lifestyle Phillips, you just might predecease me. Your pictures
make you look like you are morbidly obese. That's not a good way to have a
long, healthy life. You're the guy that brags about how many hamburgers you
can eat and I'm the guy who goes on hiking vacations in the tallest
mountains between the Appalachians and the Black Hills.

BTW, here's a quote from a post you made that is hilarious given the rotten
physical shape you are obviously in:

From: (Marc Phillips)
Subject: Re: HELP: Cables for Audio Physics Virgos w/RM9, Modulus 3A
Date: 2000/02/08
Message-ID: >#1/1

"Can you even get that fat ass of yours up a twelve-foot ladder?"

That's no doubt a paraphrase of your boss trying to get you to do your job.

LOL!

> Then we can discuss audio again.

Help me here Marc. When is the last time we discussed audio? And, how can we
discuss audio when you're dead?

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

> <<
> Krylon or lacquer thinner fumes, perhaps? ;-)
>
> Are those your substance abuses of choice? That would explain a lot.

More sociopathic fantasies from someone who has no known education, no known
job, no known possessions and posts under an alias to avoid taking
responsibilities for his actions.

[Arny Krueger]

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message


> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.

Irrelevant given that we were talking about your sniffing habit.

> I don't abuse drugs or use illegal drugs of any kind.

Solvents aren't illegal drugs.

> never have.

> Arny's sociopathic fantasy world continues to expand.

This from a sociopathic poster with no known education, no known job, no
known family, no known possessions and who posts under an anonymous alias to
avoid taking responsibility for his actions.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Marc Phillips wrote:
> > Yustabe said:
> >
> >
> >>"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>S888Wheel said:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>><<
> >>>>It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
> >>>>
> >>>>Being so small and underpopulated and such.
> >>>
> >>>It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago, in my
> >>
> >>last
> >>
> >>>post.
> >>>
> >>>Boon
> >>
> >>I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.
> >
> >
> > Excellent! He is more than welcome!
> >
> > Boon
>
> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
>

A fantastic California wine!




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Torresists" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Arny Krueger"
> >Date: 11/17/2003 12:28 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >"Lionel" > wrote in message
>
> >> Marc Phillips wrote:
> >>> Yustabe said:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>> S888Wheel said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> <<
> >>>>>> It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Being so small and underpopulated and such.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago,
> >>>>> in my
> >>>>
> >>>> last
> >>>>
> >>>>> post.
> >>
> >>>>> Boon
> >
> >>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.
> >
> >>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!
> >
> >Payoff time.
> >
> >>> Boon
> >
> >> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
> >
> >Yes, it's a meeting of the west coast chapter of the Arny Krueger fan
club.
> >They can all entertain themselves by bragging about how they have
structured
> >their lives around me.
> >
> >> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
> >
> >I think they're into something a little stronger than that...
> >
> Krylon or lacquer thinner fumes, perhaps? ;-)

A cocktail of Krylon and model cement.
We got all the ingredients




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Torresists" > wrote in message
>
> >> From: "Arny Krueger"
> >> Date: 11/17/2003 12:28 PM Central Standard Time
> >> Message-id: >
> >>
> >> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> Marc Phillips wrote:
> >>>> Yustabe said:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> "Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> S888Wheel said:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <<
> >>>>>>> It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Being so small and underpopulated and such.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago,
> >>>>>> in my
> >>>>>
> >>>>> last
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> post.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Boon
> >>
> >>>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Saturday, Dec 6, by email.
> >>
> >>>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!
> >>
> >> Payoff time.
> >>
> >>>> Boon
> >>
> >>> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
> >>
> >> Yes, it's a meeting of the west coast chapter of the Arny Krueger
> >> fan club. They can all entertain themselves by bragging about how
> >> they have structured their lives around me.
> >>
> >>> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
> >>
> >> I think they're into something a little stronger than that...
> >>
> > Krylon or lacquer thinner fumes, perhaps? ;-)
>
> At their level of economic development, it's probably some house-brand
> discount hardware store chain solvent that they're sniffing. Or raw
> gasoline, siphoned from a car down the street.
>
> BTW I did a study of the posting habits of Marc Phillips, prior to his
first
> posts on RAO.
>
> Up until about some time between May 27, 1999 and June 12, 1999 Marc
> Phillips posted on computer-related forums like comp.unix.sco.misc. After
> that period of time, Marc Phillips posting to the computer-related forums
> stopped or became vastly reduced. RAO posting by the obnoxious
know-it-all
> Marc Phillips we all know and love commenced.
>
> Interestingly enough, the computer-related Marc Phillips posts seem to
often
> have a strong odor of panic and cluelessness. If you go back far enough,
> the "Marc Phillips" posts are signed "R. Marc Phillips".
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here, but maybe this is an interesting soap
> opera. What do you think?

Days of Our Lives, As the World Turns, or The Young and The Restless?
You must know them all, after all you just sit around at home all day.
>




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[tor b]

(Marc Phillips) wrote in message >...

<snip>

> I've never disputed that George M. Middius
> is an alias.

<snip>

-30-

[Marc Phillips]

Richard Malesweski said:

(Marc Phillips) wrote in message
>...
>
><snip>
>
>> I've never disputed that George M. Middius
>> is an alias.
>
><snip>
>
>-30-

I've also never disputed that it isn't, dumbass.

Boon

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Torresists" > wrote in message
>
>
> >> From: dave weil
> >> Date: 11/17/2003 10:27 AM Central Standard Time
> >> Message-id: >
>
> >> If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
> >> it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
> >> Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.
>
> >> Wouldn't you agree?
>
> > No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered by
> > the person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of
> > internet phone directory sites. It means nothing.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > My point in all this, dave, isn't that using an alias is somehow
> > wrong. The point is that "George M. Middius" is clearly an alias, yet
> > "George" insists it is his real name as he screams that other posters
> > are "anonymous cowards", "YACAs", etc.
>
> Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
> perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's quite
> clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no genuine
interest
> in discussing audio.
>

Been there, done that.




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[Marc Phillips]

Arny said:

>"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

>> Arny said:
>>
>>> "Torresists" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>> From: dave weil
>>>>> Date: 11/17/2003 10:27 AM Central Standard Time
>>>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>>>> If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallible,
>>>>> as it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius
>>>>> listing in Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available
>>>>> through Google.
>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't you agree?
>>>
>>>> No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered
>>>> by the person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of
>>>> internet phone directory sites. It means nothing.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>> My point in all this, dave, isn't that using an alias is somehow
>>>> wrong. The point is that "George M. Middius" is clearly an alias,
>>>> yet "George" insists it is his real name as he screams that other
>>>> posters are "anonymous cowards", "YACAs", etc.
>>>
>>> Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
>>> perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's
>>> quite clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no
>>> genuine interest in discussing audio.
>
>> There's one way to prove your point. Just leave the group and see
>> what happens. And I mean for longer than a week.
>
>Please explain how leaving the group would prove my point.

Leave the group and see if the amount of audio being discussed increases or
decreases.

>
>> Too bad this will never happen.
>
>Gosh, I might die some day. Or Phillips do you believe that I'm immortal?

Jesus Christ, you're an idiot. TOO BAD YOU WILL NEVER DO WHAT I JUST SAID.
That means voluntarily. This is why I try to avoid point by point discussions
with you...you're not smart enough. You have to have everything explained to
you.

>
>>You're hopelessly addicted to the
>> Internet, and you can't function without it.
>
>The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
>function without it?

I'm sure that's what you tell your neglected wife and children.

>
>> I guess we just have to wait for you to die.
>
>Given your lifestyle Phillips, you just might predecease me.

You know nothing about my lifestyle.

Your pictures
>make you look like you are morbidly obese.

You mean the one picture you've seen that was taken almost three years ago?
The one where I was forty pounds heavier than I am right now due to a
metabolism-slowing drug the doctors gave me? You know, it's time to give it
up. Besides, not even in that picture am I "morbidly" obese, and that's the
heaviest I've ever been in my life. You clearly have no idea what the term
means.

That's not a good way to have a
>long, healthy life. You're the guy that brags about how many hamburgers you
>can eat

Show where I have ever bragged about the number of hamburgers I can eat.

and I'm the guy who goes on hiking vacations in the tallest
>mountains between the Appalachians and the Black Hills.

And I'm the guy who gets plenty of exercise every day at work, climbing on
ladders, crawling across ceilings, pulling cables through conduits, installing
equipment racks, lifting heavy equipment.

And you're the guy who spends all day in front of his computer in his
underwear.

>
>BTW, here's a quote from a post you made that is hilarious given the rotten
>physical shape you are obviously in:
>
>From: (Marc Phillips)
>Subject: Re: HELP: Cables for Audio Physics Virgos w/RM9, Modulus 3A
>Date: 2000/02/08
>Message-ID: >#1/1
>
>"Can you even get that fat ass of yours up a twelve-foot ladder?"
>
>That's no doubt a paraphrase of your boss trying to get you to do your job.
>
>LOL!

I also remember challenging you to beat me in any physical endeavor you could
come up with. And you slunk away. You have no idea what kind of shape I'm in.
You're making **** up, as usual.

>
>> Then we can discuss audio again.
>
>Help me here Marc. When is the last time we discussed audio? And, how can we
>discuss audio when you're dead?

Poor reading comprehension once again noted.

Boon

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
> function without it?
>

Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.




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[Arny Krueger]

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Arny said:
>
>> "Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Arny said:
>>>
>>>> "Torresists" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> From: dave weil
>>>>>> Date: 11/17/2003 10:27 AM Central Standard Time
>>>>>> Message-id: >
>>>>
>>>>>> If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallible,
>>>>>> as it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius
>>>>>> listing in Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available
>>>>>> through Google.
>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't you agree?
>>>>
>>>>> No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered
>>>>> by the person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more)
>>>>> of internet phone directory sites. It means nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed.
>>>>
>>>>> My point in all this, dave, isn't that using an alias is somehow
>>>>> wrong. The point is that "George M. Middius" is clearly an alias,
>>>>> yet "George" insists it is his real name as he screams that other
>>>>> posters are "anonymous cowards", "YACAs", etc.
>>>>
>>>> Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
>>>> perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's
>>>> quite clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no
>>>> genuine interest in discussing audio.
>>
>>> There's one way to prove your point. Just leave the group and see
>>> what happens. And I mean for longer than a week.

>> Please explain how leaving the group would prove my point.

> Leave the group and see if the amount of audio being discussed
> increases or decreases.

Obviously it will decrease, because as a rule I've been the only person
discussing audio around here except for some newbies.

>>> Too bad this will never happen.

>> Gosh, I might die some day. Or Phillips do you believe that I'm
>> immortal?

> Jesus Christ, you're an idiot. TOO BAD YOU WILL NEVER DO WHAT I JUST
> SAID. That means voluntarily. This is why I try to avoid point by
> point discussions with you...you're not smart enough. You have to
> have everything explained to you.

You're a little tightly wound these days, eh Marc? Probably hypertension due
to overweight...

>>> You're hopelessly addicted to the
>>> Internet, and you can't function without it.

>> The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even
>> try to function without it?

> I'm sure that's what you tell your neglected wife and children.

Hey Marc, I'm not the one with a history of failed marriages, you are. BTW
Marc, did your first wife divorce you when she found out that you are
bisexual or was it all the pedophile fantasies that drove her away? Or, was
it your inability to perform the responsibilities of a husband due to fat
rolls getting in the way?

>>> I guess we just have to wait for you to die.
>>
>> Given your lifestyle Phillips, you just might predecease me.


> You know nothing about my lifestyle.

Sure I do. Morbidly overweight, with an enormous appetite for greasy beef
that you're stupid enough to brag about.

> Your pictures
>> make you look like you are morbidly obese.

> You mean the one picture you've seen that was taken almost three
> years ago? The one where I was forty pounds heavier than I am right
> now due to a metabolism-slowing drug the doctors gave me?

Likely story. Every doctor I know gives his patients metabolism-slowing
drugs so that they can become morbidly overweight.


> You know, it's time to give it up. Besides, not even in that picture am I
> "morbidly" obese, and that's the heaviest I've ever been in my life.

You looked like a true super-wide, Marc. Likely you weigh even more now.

> You clearly have no idea what the term means.

Getting a little overwrought again, eh Marc? Obviously you are still very
sensitive about your weight problem, which is evidence that it persists or
has even gotten worse.

> That's not a good way to have a
>> long, healthy life. You're the guy that brags about how many
>> hamburgers you can eat

> Show where I have ever bragged about the number of hamburgers I can eat.

Not worth the trouble Marc, because you deny all proof that is provided, no
matter how clear.

> and I'm the guy who goes on hiking vacations in the tallest
>> mountains between the Appalachians and the Black Hills.

> And I'm the guy who gets plenty of exercise every day at work,
> climbing on ladders, crawling across ceilings, pulling cables through
> conduits, installing equipment racks, lifting heavy equipment.

How many ladders have you broken since you gained all that bloat, Marc?

> And you're the guy who spends all day in front of his computer in his
> underwear.

Interesting how I hiked those mountains for 8 days with my wife while still
seated in front of my computer.

>> BTW, here's a quote from a post you made that is hilarious given the
>> rotten physical shape you are obviously in:

>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>> Subject: Re: HELP: Cables for Audio Physics Virgos w/RM9, Modulus 3A
>> Date: 2000/02/08
>> Message-ID: >#1/1
>>
>> "Can you even get that fat ass of yours up a twelve-foot ladder?"
>>
>> That's no doubt a paraphrase of your boss trying to get you to do
>> your job.
>
>> LOL!

> I also remember challenging you to beat me in any physical endeavor
> you could come up with.

Marc, I'm afraid that if you found me you'd shoot me with your rifle like
you threatened to do, you psychopath!

>And you slunk away.

Zippy challenged me to do the same thing and look where it got him. Marc,
when you guys were together did you compare rotund guts to see which one of
you was the bigger man?

>You have no idea what
> kind of shape I'm in. You're making **** up, as usual.

I've seen the photographic evidence. So have lots of other people.

>>> Then we can discuss audio again.

>> Help me here Marc. When is the last time we discussed audio? And,
>> how can we discuss audio when you're dead?

> Poor reading comprehension once again noted.

Inability to answer a simple question noted. Look Marc you brought up
discussing audio. Now you want to slough it. Typical of your sleezeball
"Debating Trade" tactics.

[George M. Middius]

Glans, I said:

> >> The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
> >> function without it?
> >
> >Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.
>
> It has certainly brought him a great deal of respect.

Not to mention lawsuits and "death threats".

[S888Wheel]

Arny said

<<
> Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
> perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's
> quite clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no
> genuine interest in discussing audio.


I said

<<
> This coming from a guy who just crapped on an all audio thread with
> personal attacks based on fantasies.

Arny said


<<
You've never proven my claims to be incorrect.


No need to. You have contradicted yourself on your own claims. You have proven
you talk out of both sides of your mouth to suit your immediate sociopathic
means. It looks like you are not bright enough to keep tabs on your own lies so
when you contradict one lie with another you prove that your claims are a load
of crap.

Arny said


<< You've never provided any
contradictory evidence.


I am saving my evidence for a real world court where such evidence is usually
seen for what it is. You know? Court? The last place you ever want to test your
fantasies. Good evidence is only wasted on your warped mind.

I said


<<
>Rather hypocritical me thinks.


Arny said


<<
There's never been any evidence that you can think at all, sockpuppet wheel.

Nah. there has been plenty but it keeps going over your head. This is to be
expected from the guy who realizes he isn't "the sharpest knife in the drawer."

I see you offer no explanation, excuse or apology for crapping on an all audio
thread with personal attacks based on sociopathic fantasies. Figures.

[GeoSynch]

Marc Phillips wrote:

> Joseph Oberlander said:

> >It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.

> You and I used to live about five miles from each other. And I think GeoSynch
> is somewhere close to where I live now. And there's someone else, too, but I
> can't remember.

Thank God it ain't Paula Wagner!


GeoSynch

[GeoSynch]

tor b pondered:

> Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M.
> Middius" be found on Locate America?

The gimp, being incapable of driving, has no need for a driver's license.
Being a shut-in, probabley never registered to vote.

Perhaps you can cajole trots to divulge the cripple's known whereabouts,
seeing how trots sold pudge a Lexicon preamp some time ago.


GeoSynch

[S888Wheel]

I said

<<
> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.


Arny said


<<
Irrelevant given that we were talking about your sniffing habit.


No arny, You were fantasizing about it. It was pointed out to you that you were
making another libelous claim so my denial is quite relevant. I was just
covering all the bases to stay ahead of your sociopathic tactics. It appears
you want to have quite a thick folder for my evidence that proves you deserve
to be punished with punitive damages.

I said

<<
> I don't abuse drugs or use illegal drugs of any kind.


Arny said


<<
Solvents aren't illegal drugs.


They are if you are sniffing them to get high. Given your ignorance on the
subject I'll make it clear even for you. I do not sniff anything to get high.
Let's see you misinterpret this one as only you can.

I said

<<
> never have.
<<
> Arny's sociopathic fantasy world continues to expand.
>>


Arny said


<<
This from a sociopathic poster with no known education, no known job, no
known family, no known possessions and who posts under an anonymous alias to
avoid taking responsibility for his actions.


Not only do you live in a fantasy world but you live in a fantasy world that
lacks any imagination. I think that is behind your redundancy. Try finding an
original thought Arny. At least try. God it must suck to be so mediocre. It
must suck so bad to live a life of an underachiever for it to drive someone to
such bitterness.

[GeoSynch]

S888Wheel insisted:

> > I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.

But you do purportedly file lawsuits.
So, what's the latest on that front?


GeoSynch

[S888Wheel]

I said

<<
> Are those your substance abuses of choice? That would explain a lot.

arny said

<< More sociopathic fantasies

Are you plagiarizing me in honor of your friend Howard?

Arny said


<< from someone who has no known education, no known
job, no known possessions and posts under an alias to avoid taking
responsibilities for his actions.

Arny, your sociopathic fantasies are just plain boring. Try coming up with
something original and creative. Never mind. That is a task beyond the
abilities of a chronic underachiever.

[S888Wheel]

<<

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote:

>> The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
>> function without it?
>
>Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.

It has certainly brought him a great deal of respect.


Thanks, I needed a good laugh and that did the trick.

[S888Wheel]

Arny said

<<
Obviously it will decrease, because as a rule I've been the only person
discussing audio around here except for some newbies.

What a load of **** coming from a guy who craps on audio only threads with
personal attacks based on sociopathic fantasies.

[Lionel]

GeoSynch wrote:
> S888Wheel insisted:
>
>
>>>I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.
>
>
> But you do purportedly file lawsuits.
> So, what's the latest on that front?
>
>
> GeoSynch
>
>
It was an incredible adrenaline shoot, a life experience...
It looks like he has done an overdose! ;-)

[Lionel]

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Marc Phillips wrote:
>>
>>>Yustabe said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>S888Wheel said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>><<
>>>>>>It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago, in my
>>>>
>>>>last
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>post.
>>>>>
>>>>>Boon
>>>>
>>>>I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.
>>>
>>>
>>>Excellent! He is more than welcome!
>>>
>>>Boon
>>
>>I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
>>I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
>>
>
>
> A fantastic California wine!
>
Cabernet Sauvignon ?
If Scott Wheeler accept your invitation you'll need a lot... ;-)

[Lionel]

S888Wheel wrote:

>
> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have. And, I don't abuse
> drugs or use illegal drugs of any kind.
>

You could add :
"I don't **** except for reproduction purposes."
"I don't listen music, I compare recordings quality"
"I don't love, I'm too mean for that"

;O)

[S888Wheel]

Lionel said

<<

You could add :
"I don't **** except for reproduction purposes."
"I don't listen music, I compare recordings quality"
"I don't love, I'm too mean for that"

;O)




Once again you prove to be an embarrassment for your father. He is lucky he
doesn't have to witness your antics.

[Joseph Oberlander]

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
>>function without it?
>>
>
>
> Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.

Man, I'm only up to 38,000. Darn - have to work harder.

[Joseph Oberlander]

GeoSynch wrote:

> S888Wheel insisted:
>
>
>>>I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.

Shat a rube.

Everyone should get drunk at least once in their life.

Everyone should also use some sort of mind or mood altering product
at least once in their life(after surgery also counts - the stuff they
give you rocks!)

If you don't expand your mind and come to terms with how little it
takes to not be in control(better yet to accept it and stop being do
up tight and controlling), you're doomed to live in a box of your own
making.

[Lionel]

S888Wheel a écrit :
> Lionel said
>
> <<
>
> You could add :
> "I don't **** except for reproduction purposes."
> "I don't listen music, I compare recordings quality"
> "I don't love, I'm too mean for that"
>
> ;O)
>
>
>
>
> Once again you prove to be an embarrassment for your father. He is lucky he
> doesn't have to witness your antics.

Blah, Blah, Blah...

--
"Keep the bugs off your glass and the bears off your ass"
Bad Plus

[Lionel]

Joseph Oberlander a écrit :
> GeoSynch wrote:
>
>> S888Wheel insisted:
>>
>>
>>>> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.
>
>
> Shat a rube.
>
> Everyone should get drunk at least once in their life.
>

100% agree with you...
But I can't imagine Scott Wheeler vomiting in your toilets.

LOL !


--
"Keep the bugs off your glass and the bears off your ass"
Bad Plus

[Joseph Oberlander]

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even
>>> try to
>>> function without it?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.
>
>
> Man, I'm only up to ~40,000. Darn - have to work harder.

Been online since - um - 1991. First usenet post - the
day alt.netgames.bolo was created. I've not found a reliable
date as Google only goes back so far(1993) - but it was
sometime in 1991.

I'm still figuring it out - Google lists it back to 1993, yet
the bolo faq was at version 1.7 by then, and I remember plainly
before it was even concieved of.

(checks VMS email archive #1)

Sept 14, 1991 - first usenet posting was around there, give or
take a week. Message #3 I sent was two days after the first,
to my friend - that I have a date for. Account created the
second week of that semester, IIRC - newsgroups were the reason
I got it. - started posting a few days later.

Gheez - a long time I've been a member of this asylum. Lol.
12 years by the looks of it.

[tor b]

(Marc Phillips) wrote in message >...

<snip>
I wrote:

> I don't care where you live. The point was that you could be found on
> >Locate
> >America, even if at an old address, because you are an actual person with a
> >license, voter registration, bank account, etc., etc. OTOH, "George M.
> >Middius"
> >*can't* be found on Locate America because "George M. Middius' is an alias.
>
Marc "Boon" Phillips wrote:
>
> I've never disputed that George M. Middius
> is an alias. What I have done is disputed its relevance. "George Middius" is
> someone I can e-mail, or phone. I've been able to do that for the five years
> I've posted on RAO. If George turns out to be Bob Jones, or Frank Smith, or
> Chuck Ufarley, then that's his business.

[George M. Middius]

Glans, I said:

> >Gheez - a long time I've been a member of this asylum. Lol.
> >12 years by the looks of it.
>
> Fascinating!

Don't be such a snark. At least he found a way to post without
apologizing for Krooger.

[tor b]

Joseph Oberlander > wrote in message et>...

I wrote:
>
> > So, if "George M Middius" is an orphan with no relatives in the USA, who
> > doesn't drive, doesn't vote and pays his bill at the rooming house with the
> > cash he keeps buried in a coffee can, maybe he really does exist. OTOH, maybe
> > "George M. Middius" is an alias. Which scenario do you find more plausible,
>
>
Mr. Oberlander wrote:
>
> Given that it's Middius, I honestly don't know.
>
> ;)

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio??

Why don't you move this to alt.killallthe****inglawyers

The Big Cheese

GeoSynch wrote:
> S888Wheel insisted:
>
>
>>>I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.
>>
>
> But you do purportedly file lawsuits.
> So, what's the latest on that front?
>
>
> GeoSynch
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.Iam****edupandIneedHelpNow

The Big Cheese

S888Wheel wrote:
> I said
>
> <<
>
>>Are those your substance abuses of choice? That would explain a lot.
>
>
> arny said
>
> << More sociopathic fantasies
>
> Are you plagiarizing me in honor of your friend Howard?
>
> Arny said
>
>
> << from someone who has no known education, no known
> job, no known possessions and posts under an alias to avoid taking
> responsibilities for his actions.
>
> Arny, your sociopathic fantasies are just plain boring. Try coming up with
> something original and creative. Never mind. That is a task beyond the
> abilities of a chronic underachiever.
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.ILikeWastingBandwidth

The Big Cheese

S888Wheel wrote:
> << "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote:
>
>
>>>The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
>>>function without it?
>>
>>Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.
>
>
> It has certainly brought him a great deal of respect.
>
>
> Thanks, I needed a good laugh and that did the trick.

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.KillAllTheLawyersFirst

The Big Cheese

Lionel wrote:
> GeoSynch wrote:
>
>> S888Wheel insisted:
>>
>>
>>>> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.
>>>
>>
>>
>> But you do purportedly file lawsuits.
>> So, what's the latest on that front?
>>
>>
>> GeoSynch
>>
>>
> It was an incredible adrenaline shoot, a life experience...
> It looks like he has done an overdose! ;-)
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

You think those ragtops can actually hear anything through their head
rags and burkas?

Why don't you move this to alt.kill.everyone.whodisagreeswith.me

The Big Cheese

Lionel wrote:
> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Marc Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yustabe said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> S888Wheel said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <<
>>>>>>> It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being so small and underpopulated and such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago,
>>>>>> in my
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> last
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Excellent! He is more than welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Boon
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess this will be an interesting diner around "Arny Krueger".
>>> I hope you will have enough alcohol. ;-)
>>>
>>
>>
>> A fantastic California wine!
>>
> Cabernet Sauvignon ?
> If Scott Wheeler accept your invitation you'll need a lot... ;-)
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.IAmAReally****edUpIndividualWhoNeedsHelp

The Big Cheese

Lionel wrote:
> S888Wheel wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have. And, I don't
>> abuse
>> drugs or use illegal drugs of any kind.
>
>
> You could add :
> "I don't **** except for reproduction purposes."
> "I don't listen music, I compare recordings quality"
> "I don't love, I'm too mean for that"
>
> ;O)
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.IAmAReally****edUpInvidualWhoNeedsHelpNow

The Big Cheese

S888Wheel wrote:
> Lionel said
>
> << You could add :
> "I don't **** except for reproduction purposes."
> "I don't listen music, I compare recordings quality"
> "I don't love, I'm too mean for that"
>
> ;O)
>
>
>
>
> Once again you prove to be an embarrassment for your father. He is lucky he
> doesn't have to witness your antics.

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.ILiketoWasteISPBandwidth

The Big Cheese

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
>>> function without it?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.
>
>
> Man, I'm only up to 38,000. Darn - have to work harder.
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.ILikeToUseIllegalDrugsALot

The Big Cheese

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> GeoSynch wrote:
>
>> S888Wheel insisted:
>>
>>
>>>> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.
>>>
>
> Shat a rube.
>
> Everyone should get drunk at least once in their life.
>
> Everyone should also use some sort of mind or mood altering product
> at least once in their life(after surgery also counts - the stuff they
> give you rocks!)
>
> If you don't expand your mind and come to terms with how little it
> takes to not be in control(better yet to accept it and stop being do
> up tight and controlling), you're doomed to live in a box of your own
> making.
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.ILickToiletsTooForFun

The Big Cheese

Lionel wrote:
> Joseph Oberlander a écrit :
>
>> GeoSynch wrote:
>>
>>> S888Wheel insisted:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Shat a rube.
>>
>> Everyone should get drunk at least once in their life.
>>
>
> 100% agree with you...
> But I can't imagine Scott Wheeler vomiting in your toilets.
>
> LOL !
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.someonewhogivesa****really

The Big Cheese

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
>> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even
>>>> try to
>>>> function without it?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.
>>
>>
>>
>> Man, I'm only up to ~40,000. Darn - have to work harder.
>
>
> Been online since - um - 1991. First usenet post - the
> day alt.netgames.bolo was created. I've not found a reliable
> date as Google only goes back so far(1993) - but it was
> sometime in 1991.
>
> I'm still figuring it out - Google lists it back to 1993, yet
> the bolo faq was at version 1.7 by then, and I remember plainly
> before it was even concieved of.
>
> (checks VMS email archive #1)
>
> Sept 14, 1991 - first usenet posting was around there, give or
> take a week. Message #3 I sent was two days after the first,
> to my friend - that I have a date for. Account created the
> second week of that semester, IIRC - newsgroups were the reason
> I got it. - started posting a few days later.
>
> Gheez - a long time I've been a member of this asylum. Lol.
> 12 years by the looks of it.
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.SomeoneWhoGivesAFlying****

The Big Cheese

Glans, I wrote:
> Joseph Oberlander > wrote:
>
>
>>>>>The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even
>>>>>try to
>>>>>function without it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.
>>>
>>>
>>>Man, I'm only up to ~40,000. Darn - have to work harder.
>>
>>Been online since - um - 1991. First usenet post - the
>>day alt.netgames.bolo was created. I've not found a reliable
>>date as Google only goes back so far(1993) - but it was
>>sometime in 1991.
>>
>>I'm still figuring it out - Google lists it back to 1993, yet
>>the bolo faq was at version 1.7 by then, and I remember plainly
>>before it was even concieved of.
>>
>>(checks VMS email archive #1)
>>
>>Sept 14, 1991 - first usenet posting was around there, give or
>>take a week. Message #3 I sent was two days after the first,
>>to my friend - that I have a date for. Account created the
>>second week of that semester, IIRC - newsgroups were the reason
>>I got it. - started posting a few days later.
>>
>>Gheez - a long time I've been a member of this asylum. Lol.
>>12 years by the looks of it.
>
>
> Fascinating!
>
>
> --
> S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.IHateGeorgeMiddius

The Big Cheese

tor b wrote:
> (Marc Phillips) wrote in message >...
>
> <snip>
> I wrote:
>
>
>>I don't care where you live. The point was that you could be found on
>>
>>>Locate
>>>America, even if at an old address, because you are an actual person with a
>>>license, voter registration, bank account, etc., etc. OTOH, "George M.
>>>Middius"
>>>*can't* be found on Locate America because "George M. Middius' is an alias.
>>
> Marc "Boon" Phillips wrote:
>
>>I've never disputed that George M. Middius
>>is an alias. What I have done is disputed its relevance. "George Middius" is
>>someone I can e-mail, or phone. I've been able to do that for the five years
>>I've posted on RAO. If George turns out to be Bob Jones, or Frank Smith, or
>>Chuck Ufarley, then that's his business.
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.IHateTheKroogToo

The Big Cheese

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Glans, I said:
>
>
>>>Gheez - a long time I've been a member of this asylum. Lol.
>>>12 years by the looks of it.
>>
>>Fascinating!
>
>
> Don't be such a snark. At least he found a way to post without
> apologizing for Krooger.
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Get it the **** out of this group!

Move this to alt.IHateGeorgeMiddiusToo

The Big Cheese

tor b wrote:
> Joseph Oberlander > wrote in message et>...
>
> I wrote:
>
>>>So, if "George M Middius" is an orphan with no relatives in the USA, who
>>>doesn't drive, doesn't vote and pays his bill at the rooming house with the
>>>cash he keeps buried in a coffee can, maybe he really does exist. OTOH, maybe
>>>"George M. Middius" is an alias. Which scenario do you find more plausible,
>>
>>
> Mr. Oberlander wrote:
>
>>Given that it's Middius, I honestly don't know.
>>
>>;)
>

[Lionel]

The Big Cheese a écrit :
> Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?
>
> Why don't you move this to alt.ILickToiletsTooForFun
>
> The Big Cheese
>

J'aime beaucoup les gros fromages bien faits. Avec un verre de
Beaujolais, c'est un régal.

--
"Keep the bugs off your glass and the bears off your ass"
Bad Plus

[Joseph Oberlander]

Glans, I wrote:


> Fascinating!

Hey - sometime's it's interesting to figure things like this out.
I'm still amazed it's only 12 years - it feels like forever.

[Joseph Oberlander]

The Big Cheese wrote:

> Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?
>
> Why don't you move this to alt.IHateTheKroogToo

(snip 12 other variants of the same ilk)

Prozac. I hear it works in cases like yours.

[The Big Cheese]

Je crois que vous êtes un individu discernant qui préfère le goût de
fromage après il a été enfoncé vieillir dans votre âne pour un mois!

Le Grand Fromage

Lionel drools on his keyboard:
> The Big Cheese a écrit :
>
>> Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?
>>
>> Why don't you move this to alt.ILickToiletsTooForFun
>>
>> The Big Cheese
>>
>
> J'aime beaucoup les gros fromages bien faits. Avec un verre de
> Beaujolais, c'est un régal.
>

[dave weil]

On 17 Nov 2003 22:13:38 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:

>>From: George M. Middius
>>Date: 11/17/2003 4:10 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>
>>
>>dave weil said to The Thing:
>>
>>> Sorry, but this database is also flawed to the point of not being able
>>> to use it for your purposes.
>>
>>Did Thing ever tell us what its real name is?
>>
>You go first, "George": tell us your real name.

No, you first, "tor".

[dave weil]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:36:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Torresists" > wrote in message

>
>>> From: dave weil
>>> Date: 11/17/2003 10:27 AM Central Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>
>>> If they use phone records, then they obviously aren't infallable, as
>>> it is clear that at one time, there was a George Middius listing in
>>> Kensington MD. This is public knowledge available through Google.
>
>>> Wouldn't you agree?
>
>> No. The listing for "George M. Middius" may well have been entered by
>> the person posting as "George M. Middius" on any one (or more) of
>> internet phone directory sites. It means nothing.
>
>Agreed.

Only if you agree with the premise <chuckle>.

Except that Art Sackman found an entry in the Haynes directory, which
is an impeachable source of information:

The following is a listing found in the 2002 Haines
"Criss Cross" Directory for Montgomery County,
Maryland, published by Haines & Company, Akron, Ohio:

George Middius
Kensington, MD 20895
(301) 949-6566
service code '9'

Haines listings are taken from actual telephone company
accounts. Those customers who wish to have their
street address withheld from telephone book listings
are listed in the Haines directory by city, without
reference to a street address. This is the case with George.
The '9' service code indicates that he has had that phone
number since 1999.

All of the above information comes from commercial
sources available to the public.

http://tinyurl.com/vi7n

Sorry, you guys lose.

Again.

>> My point in all this, dave, isn't that using an alias is somehow
>> wrong. The point is that "George M. Middius" is clearly an alias, yet
>> "George" insists it is his real name as he screams that other posters
>> are "anonymous cowards", "YACAs", etc.

It is *not* "clearly an alias". It is not clear at all.

>Middius' involvement with Usenet is probably based on his desire to
>perpetrate the largest and most elaborate possible deception. It's quite
>clear that for Middius, Phillips, and Yustabe, there is no genuine interest
>in discussing audio.

This, of course, is a lie.

[dave weil]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:48:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Given your lifestyle Phillips, you just might predecease me. Your pictures
>make you look like you are morbidly obese.

This, of course, is a lie. He does *not* appear to meet the criteria
for the term that you use.

Do you throw around electrical terms with the same sort of disregard
for the facts?

[dave weil]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:52:37 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>
>> I don't drink. I never have. I don't smoke. I never have.
>
>Irrelevant given that we were talking about your sniffing habit.
>
>> I don't abuse drugs or use illegal drugs of any kind.
>
>Solvents aren't illegal drugs.
>
>> never have.
>
>> Arny's sociopathic fantasy world continues to expand.
>
>This from a sociopathic poster with no known education, no known job, no
>known family, no known possessions and who posts under an anonymous alias to
>avoid taking responsibility for his actions.

You don't think that accusing people of using toxic chemicals in an
illegal fashion isn't sociopathic?

From what I've heard, there are plenty of instances of sociopaths who
have known educations, known jobs, known families, etc. It's their
families who have to suffer and your family is probably no different,
considering that the matriarch of the family has her spouse
encouraging virtual strangers to call her at work.

[dave weil]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:48:17 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Hey Marc, I'm not the one with a history of failed marriages, you are. BTW
>Marc, did your first wife divorce you when she found out that you are
>bisexual or was it all the pedophile fantasies that drove her away? Or, was
>it your inability to perform the responsibilities of a husband due to fat
>rolls getting in the way?

Sociopathic behavior noted.

[dave weil]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:53:59 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>Glans, I said:
>
>> >> The internet is a valuable business tool for me. Why should I even try to
>> >> function without it?
>> >
>> >Those 90,000 usenet posts must have earned you a fortune.
>>
>> It has certainly brought him a great deal of respect.
>
>Not to mention lawsuits and "death threats".

Well, he *did* get mentioned on MSNBC. That's got to count for extra
sales of his product.

Oh wait...

[The Big Cheese]

Hey asshole, what does this have to do with audio?

Why don't you move this to alt.MyDatabaseSucksToo

The Big Cheese

dave weil wrote:
> On 17 Nov 2003 22:13:38 GMT, (Torresists) wrote:
>
>
>>>From: George M. Middius
>>>Date: 11/17/2003 4:10 PM Central Standard Time
>>>Message-id: >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>dave weil said to The Thing:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sorry, but this database is also flawed to the point of not being able
>>>>to use it for your purposes.
>>>
>>>Did Thing ever tell us what its real name is?
>>>
>>
>>You go first, "George": tell us your real name.
>
>
> No, you first, "tor".

[pyjamarama]

George M. Middius > wrote in message >...
> Sockpuppet Yustabe said to The Thing:
>
> > We don't know who you are, and I don't complaine about that.
> > Each of us here is just a voice and a personality. It doesn't matter
> > whether we know each other's real identities.
>
> One thing we can be certain of is that Arnii Krooger is too stupid to
> disguise himself. Yes, RAO, there is a Krooborg.

Who are the "we" you keep bleating about? Your other personalities?

Must be, 'cause when one peruses the threads just from the last couple
of days one finds an inordinate number of your breathless headers with
zero replies.

'Cept of course when you answer your own posts...

How much does it suck to be ignored so consistently? So completely?

Arni doesn't seem to have that problem.