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November 22nd 05, 05:15 AM

Bias controlled with minimum stress.

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php

EddieM

November 22nd 05, 05:35 AM

> nyob123 wrote
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> Bias controlled with minimum stress.
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> http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php

Any particular entries in there that boggles your mind ?

C'mon, paste them up.

November 22nd 05, 07:51 AM

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>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
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>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
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> ABX?
>
> No.

Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way to do a
reliable comparison of audio gear?

Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for everything else.

Robert Morein

November 22nd 05, 08:04 AM

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:51:13 GMT, > wrote:

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>Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for everything else.

Blind is good for sex too.

Clyde Slick

November 22nd 05, 12:53 PM

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>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
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>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
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>>
>> ABX?
>>
>> No.
>
> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way to do
> a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>
> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for everything
> else.
>

No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
environment, afa as one's
home system goes.

November 22nd 05, 04:43 PM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ABX?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way to
>> do a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>>
>> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for everything
>> else.
>>
>
> No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
> environment, afa as one's
> home system goes.
IOW, evaluations should be done in the least relaible, most prone to error
way you can think of.

Sorry, but the evidence is against you.

Clyde Slick

November 23rd 05, 02:39 AM

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>>>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ABX?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way to
>>> do a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>>>
>>> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for everything
>>> else.
>>>
>>
>> No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
>> environment, afa as one's
>> home system goes.
> IOW, evaluations should be done in the least relaible, most prone to error
> way you can think of.
>
> Sorry, but the evidence is against you.

After you come back from the 'lab', there uare,
back at home, day after day, listening to music
in that 'horrible' environment.

November 23rd 05, 07:36 AM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ABX?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way to
>>>> do a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>>>>
>>>> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for everything
>>>> else.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
>>> environment, afa as one's
>>> home system goes.
>> IOW, evaluations should be done in the least relaible, most prone to
>> error way you can think of.
>>
>> Sorry, but the evidence is against you.
>
> After you come back from the 'lab', there uare,
> back at home, day after day, listening to music
> in that 'horrible' environment.
>
>
You can do an ABX test at home. As long as you match the levels and can't
see what DUT is active at any given moment. Removing bias doesn't mean
leaving home.

Clyde Slick

November 23rd 05, 01:23 PM

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>>>>>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ABX?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way
>>>>> to do a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>>>>>
>>>>> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for everything
>>>>> else.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
>>>> environment, afa as one's
>>>> home system goes.
>>> IOW, evaluations should be done in the least relaible, most prone to
>>> error way you can think of.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but the evidence is against you.
>>
>> After you come back from the 'lab', there uare,
>> back at home, day after day, listening to music
>> in that 'horrible' environment.
>>
>>
> You can do an ABX test at home. As long as you match the levels and can't
> see what DUT is active at any given moment. Removing bias doesn't mean
> leaving home.
>

Get it straight.
The 'lab' I refer to is the test envirionment, no matter the location.
'Home' refers to your normal listening environment,
'environment' refers to mode, i.e., relaxed listening for purposes of
enjoyment,
you know, the environment with all those biases.

November 23rd 05, 09:28 PM

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>>>>>>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ABX?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way
>>>>>> to do a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for
>>>>>> everything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
>>>>> environment, afa as one's
>>>>> home system goes.
>>>> IOW, evaluations should be done in the least relaible, most prone to
>>>> error way you can think of.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but the evidence is against you.
>>>
>>> After you come back from the 'lab', there uare,
>>> back at home, day after day, listening to music
>>> in that 'horrible' environment.
>>>
>>>
>> You can do an ABX test at home. As long as you match the levels and
>> can't see what DUT is active at any given moment. Removing bias doesn't
>> mean leaving home.
>>
>
> Get it straight.
> The 'lab' I refer to is the test envirionment, no matter the location.
> 'Home' refers to your normal listening environment,
> 'environment' refers to mode, i.e., relaxed listening for purposes of
> enjoyment,
> you know, the environment with all those biases.
I got it, you refuse to accept that one of the most valuable tools for
determining subtle difference will actually work for that purpose.

Now all you have to do is understand why that position is erroneous.

Clyde Slick

November 23rd 05, 10:59 PM

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>>>>>>>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ABX?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way
>>>>>>> to do a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for
>>>>>>> everything else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
>>>>>> environment, afa as one's
>>>>>> home system goes.
>>>>> IOW, evaluations should be done in the least relaible, most prone to
>>>>> error way you can think of.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but the evidence is against you.
>>>>
>>>> After you come back from the 'lab', there uare,
>>>> back at home, day after day, listening to music
>>>> in that 'horrible' environment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You can do an ABX test at home. As long as you match the levels and
>>> can't see what DUT is active at any given moment. Removing bias doesn't
>>> mean leaving home.
>>>
>>
>> Get it straight.
>> The 'lab' I refer to is the test envirionment, no matter the location.
>> 'Home' refers to your normal listening environment,
>> 'environment' refers to mode, i.e., relaxed listening for purposes of
>> enjoyment,
>> you know, the environment with all those biases.
> I got it, you refuse to accept that one of the most valuable tools for
> determining subtle difference will actually work for that purpose.
>
> Now all you have to do is understand why that position is erroneous.
>

Clyde Slick

November 23rd 05, 11:00 PM

Clyde Slick

November 23rd 05, 11:04 PM

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>>>>>>>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ABX?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only way
>>>>>>> to do a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for
>>>>>>> everything else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
>>>>>> environment, afa as one's
>>>>>> home system goes.
>>>>> IOW, evaluations should be done in the least relaible, most prone to
>>>>> error way you can think of.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but the evidence is against you.
>>>>
>>>> After you come back from the 'lab', there uare,
>>>> back at home, day after day, listening to music
>>>> in that 'horrible' environment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You can do an ABX test at home. As long as you match the levels and
>>> can't see what DUT is active at any given moment. Removing bias doesn't
>>> mean leaving home.
>>>
>>
>> Get it straight.
>> The 'lab' I refer to is the test envirionment, no matter the location.
>> 'Home' refers to your normal listening environment,
>> 'environment' refers to mode, i.e., relaxed listening for purposes of
>> enjoyment,
>> you know, the environment with all those biases.

> I got it, you refuse to accept that one of the most valuable tools for
> determining subtle difference will actually work for that purpose.
>

Cause it doesn't work for that purpose when you go
back to sighted listining and the difference is still there.
it is useless for consumer purposes, because
consumer listening is sighted lsitening for
the sake of enjoyment. The DBT results, whether
negative or positive are useless, they do not
apply to consumer listening.

> Now all you have to do is understand why that position is erroneous.

Its your position that is erroneous, applied to
the point of view of the consumer, for his own
audio equipment selections.

November 24th 05, 08:51 PM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>Bias controlled with minimum stress.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/highfidelityaudio.php
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ABX?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did yo miss the several times I've said that ABX is not the only
>>>>>>>> way to do a reliable comparison of audio gear?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blind listening is best for evaluation, sighted is best for
>>>>>>>> everything else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it should be evaluated in the real world day to day listening
>>>>>>> environment, afa as one's
>>>>>>> home system goes.
>>>>>> IOW, evaluations should be done in the least relaible, most prone to
>>>>>> error way you can think of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but the evidence is against you.
>>>>>
>>>>> After you come back from the 'lab', there uare,
>>>>> back at home, day after day, listening to music
>>>>> in that 'horrible' environment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You can do an ABX test at home. As long as you match the levels and
>>>> can't see what DUT is active at any given moment. Removing bias
>>>> doesn't mean leaving home.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Get it straight.
>>> The 'lab' I refer to is the test envirionment, no matter the location.
>>> 'Home' refers to your normal listening environment,
>>> 'environment' refers to mode, i.e., relaxed listening for purposes of
>>> enjoyment,
>>> you know, the environment with all those biases.
>
>> I got it, you refuse to accept that one of the most valuable tools for
>> determining subtle difference will actually work for that purpose.
>>
>
> Cause it doesn't work for that purpose when you go
> back to sighted listining and the difference is still there.
> it is useless for consumer purposes, because
> consumer listening is sighted lsitening for
> the sake of enjoyment. The DBT results, whether
> negative or positive are useless, they do not
> apply to consumer listening.
>
>> Now all you have to do is understand why that position is erroneous.
>
> Its your position that is erroneous, applied to
> the point of view of the consumer, for his own
> audio equipment selections.
If the consumer has the idea that one of the components he's considering
buying sounds different than what he already has, then a DBT is one way to
find out. non-bias controlled listening, is not reliable for evaluation.

Clyde Slick

November 24th 05, 09:15 PM

> wrote in message
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>> Cause it doesn't work for that purpose when you go
>> back to sighted listining and the difference is still there.
>> it is useless for consumer purposes, because
>> consumer listening is sighted lsitening for
>> the sake of enjoyment. The DBT results, whether
>> negative or positive are useless, they do not
>> apply to consumer listening.
>>
>>> Now all you have to do is understand why that position is erroneous.
>>
>> Its your position that is erroneous, applied to
>> the point of view of the consumer, for his own
>> audio equipment selections.
> If the consumer has the idea that one of the components he's considering
> buying sounds different than what he already has, then a DBT is one way to
> find out. non-bias controlled listening, is not reliable for evaluation.
>

Sure it is, its the normal mode for listening to music.
Try out the equipment in your normal mode.

November 25th 05, 09:09 PM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>>> Cause it doesn't work for that purpose when you go
>>> back to sighted listining and the difference is still there.
>>> it is useless for consumer purposes, because
>>> consumer listening is sighted lsitening for
>>> the sake of enjoyment. The DBT results, whether
>>> negative or positive are useless, they do not
>>> apply to consumer listening.
>>>
>>>> Now all you have to do is understand why that position is erroneous.
>>>
>>> Its your position that is erroneous, applied to
>>> the point of view of the consumer, for his own
>>> audio equipment selections.
>> If the consumer has the idea that one of the components he's considering
>> buying sounds different than what he already has, then a DBT is one way
>> to find out. non-bias controlled listening, is not reliable for
>> evaluation.
>>
>
> Sure it is, its the normal mode for listening to music.
> Try out the equipment in your normal mode.
>
Except that the research says otherwise. Where is the research that
demonstrates your view is correct? Answer: It doesn't exist.

Clyde Slick

November 25th 05, 09:39 PM

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>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
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>>>> Cause it doesn't work for that purpose when you go
>>>> back to sighted listining and the difference is still there.
>>>> it is useless for consumer purposes, because
>>>> consumer listening is sighted lsitening for
>>>> the sake of enjoyment. The DBT results, whether
>>>> negative or positive are useless, they do not
>>>> apply to consumer listening.
>>>>
>>>>> Now all you have to do is understand why that position is erroneous.
>>>>
>>>> Its your position that is erroneous, applied to
>>>> the point of view of the consumer, for his own
>>>> audio equipment selections.
>>> If the consumer has the idea that one of the components he's considering
>>> buying sounds different than what he already has, then a DBT is one way
>>> to find out. non-bias controlled listening, is not reliable for
>>> evaluation.
>>>
>>
>> Sure it is, its the normal mode for listening to music.
>> Try out the equipment in your normal mode.
>>
> Except that the research says otherwise.

WHAT RESEARCH ? there is NO research on the question
of what amp or cd players I prefer to listen through.
I didn't think the question was THAT important!

Mikey there is no relevant research for this,
nor is there any research regarding whether I like
Heinz or Hunts ketchup the best.