So. Cal Burning

[ScottW]

I woke this morning to find my truck covered with ash in our driveway due
to wild fires in eastern SD county. My wife is in LA and she just called
to say her car was covered in ash this morning.

Fires I know of in San Bernadino, Simi Valley, Valley Center, Scripps
Ranch, Clairemont Mesa, Ramona, Miramar Naval Air Station, Camp Pendleton,
and Fallbrook.

They are calling the fires in east San Diego county burning right now that
are headed west right into the heart of the city the worst in the history
of the county. Winds have pushed flames from Ramona all the way to
Clairemont Mesa in less than 12 hours. That is about 20 miles. 50 homes and
80,000 acres burned so far and those numbers are climbing by the hour. The
structure count will go up for sure when the smoke clears. They are warning
folks that an anticipated wind shift tonight might push the fire through
Fairbanks Ranch into Rancho SantaFe.

So many fires burning around the state that it wasn't until about 11 AM
they reported that 2 air tankers were being dispatched to SD to assist. So
for, all they can do is evacuate and attempt limited structure defense.
At least 3 deaths confirmed in San Diego, probably more up north. I-15 and
163 and 52 are all closed.


ScottW

[ScottW]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> At least 3 deaths confirmed in San Diego, probably more up north. I-15
and
> 163 and 52 are all closed.

The death count was just increased to 10 confirmed in San Diego. Between
LA and SD they are estimating 208,000 acres burned and 500 homes destroyed.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Scottie said:

> The death count was just increased to 10 confirmed in San Diego. Between
> LA and SD they are estimating 208,000 acres burned and 500 homes destroyed.

As an arsonist, you are a pro.

[ScottW]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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>
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:jtXmb.35411$gi2.34902@fed1read01...
>
> > At least 3 deaths confirmed in San Diego, probably more up north. I-15
> and
> > 163 and 52 are all closed.
>
> The death count was just increased to 10 confirmed in San Diego.
Between
> LA and SD they are estimating 208,000 acres burned and 500 homes
destroyed.

They just closed I-805. That is about 10 miles west of the I-15. I-8
was also closed east of I-15.

Tiera Santa was evacuated. (Suburb east of SD).

[Lionel]

ScottW wrote:

> I woke this morning to find my truck covered with ash in our driveway due
> to wild fires in eastern SD county. My wife is in LA and she just called
> to say her car was covered in ash this morning.
>
> Fires I know of in San Bernadino, Simi Valley, Valley Center, Scripps
> Ranch, Clairemont Mesa, Ramona, Miramar Naval Air Station, Camp Pendleton,
> and Fallbrook.
>
> They are calling the fires in east San Diego county burning right now that
> are headed west right into the heart of the city the worst in the history
> of the county. Winds have pushed flames from Ramona all the way to
> Clairemont Mesa in less than 12 hours. That is about 20 miles. 50 homes and
> 80,000 acres burned so far and those numbers are climbing by the hour. The
> structure count will go up for sure when the smoke clears. They are warning
> folks that an anticipated wind shift tonight might push the fire through
> Fairbanks Ranch into Rancho SantaFe.
>
> So many fires burning around the state that it wasn't until about 11 AM
> they reported that 2 air tankers were being dispatched to SD to assist. So
> for, all they can do is evacuate and attempt limited structure defense.
> At least 3 deaths confirmed in San Diego, probably more up north. I-15 and
> 163 and 52 are all closed.
>
>

I sew that on news here.
All my best wishes.

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Scottie said:
>
> > The death count was just increased to 10 confirmed in San Diego.
Between
> > LA and SD they are estimating 208,000 acres burned and 500 homes
destroyed.
>
> As an arsonist, you are a pro.

You just sank below Arny, congrats.

[George M. Middius]

Scottie said:

> > As an arsonist, you are a pro.

> You just sank below Arny, congrats.

Arnii is a child molestor, and you're an idiot.

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW wrote:
>
> > I woke this morning to find my truck covered with ash in our driveway
due
> > to wild fires in eastern SD county. My wife is in LA and she just
called
> > to say her car was covered in ash this morning.
> >
> > Fires I know of in San Bernadino, Simi Valley, Valley Center, Scripps
> > Ranch, Clairemont Mesa, Ramona, Miramar Naval Air Station, Camp
Pendleton,
> > and Fallbrook.
> >
> > They are calling the fires in east San Diego county burning right now
that
> > are headed west right into the heart of the city the worst in the
history
> > of the county. Winds have pushed flames from Ramona all the way to
> > Clairemont Mesa in less than 12 hours. That is about 20 miles. 50 homes
and
> > 80,000 acres burned so far and those numbers are climbing by the hour.
The
> > structure count will go up for sure when the smoke clears. They are
warning
> > folks that an anticipated wind shift tonight might push the fire
through
> > Fairbanks Ranch into Rancho SantaFe.
> >
> > So many fires burning around the state that it wasn't until about 11 AM
> > they reported that 2 air tankers were being dispatched to SD to assist.
So
> > for, all they can do is evacuate and attempt limited structure defense.
> > At least 3 deaths confirmed in San Diego, probably more up north. I-15
and
> > 163 and 52 are all closed.
> >
> >
>
> I sew that on news here.
> All my best wishes.

Now they are evacuating Kearny Mesa. Thats a densely populated area of
north SD city. I live in north county well out of the path of the southern
fire, and far enough south of the Valley Center fire to only be a little
concerned about it. Winds are calm close to the coast but inland they are
causing problems. I just went upstairs and looked to the east and you can
see smoke plumes rising in the northeast and southeast against a total grey
backdrop moving slowly south. To the west just haze. This is a dry Santa
Ana wind day and without the fires it would be absolutely clear. A very
sad day out here.

ScottW

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> I woke this morning to find my truck covered with ash in our driveway due
> to wild fires in eastern SD county. My wife is in LA and she just called
> to say her car was covered in ash this morning.
>
> Fires I know of in San Bernadino, Simi Valley, Valley Center, Scripps
> Ranch, Clairemont Mesa, Ramona, Miramar Naval Air Station, Camp Pendleton,
> and Fallbrook.
>
> They are calling the fires in east San Diego county burning right now
that
> are headed west right into the heart of the city the worst in the history
> of the county. Winds have pushed flames from Ramona all the way to
> Clairemont Mesa in less than 12 hours. That is about 20 miles. 50 homes
and
> 80,000 acres burned so far and those numbers are climbing by the hour.
The
> structure count will go up for sure when the smoke clears. They are
warning
> folks that an anticipated wind shift tonight might push the fire through
> Fairbanks Ranch into Rancho SantaFe.
>
> So many fires burning around the state that it wasn't until about 11 AM
> they reported that 2 air tankers were being dispatched to SD to assist.
So
> for, all they can do is evacuate and attempt limited structure defense.
> At least 3 deaths confirmed in San Diego, probably more up north. I-15
and
> 163 and 52 are all closed.
>
>
> ScottW
>
>

WOW. 52 closure, is it east or west of I-15?
I-63 aand I-15, are they closed around Miramar?




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[ScottW]

"Langis" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >I woke this morning to find my truck covered with ash in our driveway
due
> >to wild fires in eastern SD county. My wife is in LA and she just
called
> >to say her car was covered in ash this morning.
> >
> > Fires I know of in San Bernadino, Simi Valley, Valley Center, Scripps
> >Ranch, Clairemont Mesa, Ramona, Miramar Naval Air Station, Camp
Pendleton,
> >and Fallbrook.
> >
> > They are calling the fires in east San Diego county burning right now
that
> >are headed west right into the heart of the city the worst in the
history
> >of the county. Winds have pushed flames from Ramona all the way to
> >Clairemont Mesa in less than 12 hours. That is about 20 miles. 50 homes
and
> >80,000 acres burned so far and those numbers are climbing by the hour.
The
> >structure count will go up for sure when the smoke clears. They are
warning
> >folks that an anticipated wind shift tonight might push the fire through
> >Fairbanks Ranch into Rancho SantaFe.
> >
> >So many fires burning around the state that it wasn't until about 11 AM
> >they reported that 2 air tankers were being dispatched to SD to assist.
So
> >for, all they can do is evacuate and attempt limited structure defense.
> >At least 3 deaths confirmed in San Diego, probably more up north. I-15
and
> >163 and 52 are all closed.
>
>
> Audio related?

No.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> WOW. 52 closure, is it east or west of I-15?

Both. They closed I-805 south of the split with I-5.

> I-63 aand I-15, are they closed around Miramar?

Yes, evacuations underway in sections of Clairemont Mesa and Kearny Mesa.

This one is much bigger than the Olivenhain fire that went through the
area your family lives.
So far, I think the fire isn't threatening Rancho Bernardo. It went
through south of Poway and the winds are pushing it south.
They could definitely be in the smoke path from the Valley Center fire
though.

ScottW

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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>
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > WOW. 52 closure, is it east or west of I-15?
>
> Both. They closed I-805 south of the split with I-5.
>
> > I-63 aand I-15, are they closed around Miramar?
>
> Yes, evacuations underway in sections of Clairemont Mesa and Kearny Mesa.
>
> This one is much bigger than the Olivenhain fire that went through the
> area your family lives.
> So far, I think the fire isn't threatening Rancho Bernardo. It went
> through south of Poway and the winds are pushing it south.
> They could definitely be in the smoke path from the Valley Center fire
> though.
>
> ScottW
>


He said he is getting a burning odor outdoors, but no smoke.




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[ScottW]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> He said he is getting a burning odor outdoors, but no smoke.


They are recomending people stay indoors and if they have any respritory
problems, keep windows closed and run the AC if they have a filtered
system.

Wind is calm at my place right now. They just had a live shot of the
I-15/8 interchange. Only a few emergency vehicles as 15 to the north is
closed and 8 to the east is as well. It was so dark, all the vehicle have
lights on. A sister- in -law just called from Carson and they are getting
smoke and ash from fires in San Bernadino. Another sister-in-law is
watching hills burning north of their place in Riverside. Probably the
same fire that is sending smoke and ash all the way to Carson some 20 miles
or more west.

ScottW

[ScottW]

The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling for
evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due east of
my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south but
it appears to be calming.

They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south of
Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it could
be.
It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area is
Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
there.
Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
worried.
Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
evacuated.

They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of 100K
acres in SD county.

[George M. Middius]

The Idiot said:

> I can see plumes of smoke due east of my place, probably 10 to 15 miles.
> Smoke is still moving to the south but it appears to be calming.

So the rain dance didn't work?

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> "George M. Middius" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Scottie said:
>>
>>> The death count was just increased to 10 confirmed in San Diego.
>>> Between LA and SD they are estimating 208,000 acres burned and 500
>>> homes destroyed.
>>
>> As an arsonist, you are a pro.

> You just sank below Arny, congrats.

Middius been down there for a long time Scott, you're just too ignorannt and
spiteful to figure it out, until it affected you directly. You've got the
abstract reasoning power of a rotten piece of carrot.

BTW we're pretty concerned about the SD fires as I know a number of people
(As opposed to stupid Middius-loving low-life like you) that live there. I
was speaking with one of them this afternoon and the conversation ended
something like this - A piece of ash just landed in my eye and the horizon
looks like a volcano...

So while you whine about ashes on your car Scott, real people are dying.

[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> So while you whine about ashes on your car Scott, real people are dying.

Hey, there's an accurate representation of what I said.
I'm sure your friends appreciate the subtle manner in which you used their
plight to get in a cheap shot on RAO.
I'm sure Middius appreciates your efforts to prove his point.

ScottW

[ScottW]

They just suspended flight operations into nearly every major airport in
So. Cal.
LAX, San Diego, Burbank, Ontario, and John Wayne.

I think that is a first.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> They just suspended flight operations into nearly every major airport in
> So. Cal.
> LAX, San Diego, Burbank, Ontario, and John Wayne.
>
> I think that is a first.
>
> ScottW

They also requested the NFL cancel the football game scheduled for
tomorrow night SD or at least relocate it.

ScottW

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling for
> evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due east
of
> my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south but
> it appears to be calming.
>
> They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south of
> Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it could
> be.
> It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area is
> Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
> there.
> Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
> worried.
> Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
> evacuated.
>
> They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
> crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of 100K
> acres in SD county.
>
>

Rancho Bernardo is northwest of Poway, but Rancho Bernardo Road
goes south of Poway.





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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > So while you whine about ashes on your car Scott, real people are dying.
>
> Hey, there's an accurate representation of what I said.
> I'm sure your friends appreciate the subtle manner in which you used
their
> plight to get in a cheap shot on RAO.
> I'm sure Middius appreciates your efforts to prove his point.
>
> ScottW
>
>

Sweet Baby Jesus!!!!




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
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> (As opposed to stupid Middius-loving low-life like you) that live there.
I


Scottie looooves Georgie!!!
Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!!!!!




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[ScottW]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> They just suspended flight operations into nearly every major airport in
> So. Cal.
> LAX, San Diego, Burbank, Ontario, and John Wayne.

Now they are saying SouthWest Airlines has suspended operations into these
airports but they aren't actually closed.
It's crazy.

ScottW

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> So while you whine about ashes on your car Scott, real people are
>> dying.

> Hey, there's an accurate representation of what I said.

As if you've ever shown an iota of fairness in judging what I've said,
Scotty.

> I'm sure your friends appreciate the subtle manner in which you used
> their plight to get in a cheap shot on RAO.

As if you haven't just taken any number of cheap shots at me, Scotty.

> I'm sure Middius appreciates your efforts to prove his point.

I'm sure Middius and sockpuppet Yustabe appreciate the way you've been
acting as their straight man, Scotty.

Hey Scotty, you're proud of your friendship what that pervert Phillips. What
more needs to be said?

[trotsky]

ScottW wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> news:Vb_mb.36562$gi2.10667@fed1read01...
>
>>They just suspended flight operations into nearly every major airport in
>>So. Cal.
>>LAX, San Diego, Burbank, Ontario, and John Wayne.
>>
>> I think that is a first.
>>
>> ScottW
>
>
> They also requested the NFL cancel the football game scheduled for
> tomorrow night SD or at least relocate it.


I think that was because it was such a mismatch.

[dave weil]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:10:52 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling for
>evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due east of
>my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south but
>it appears to be calming.
>
> They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south of
>Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it could
>be.
> It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area is
>Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
>there.
>Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
>worried.
>Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
>evacuated.
>
> They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
>crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of 100K
>acres in SD county.

Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>
> Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
I guess that is a little advanced.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

The Idiot said:

> > Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>
> Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
> I guess that is a little advanced.

God DAMN, are you stupid.

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:10:52 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
> >The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling for
> >evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due east of
> >my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south but
> >it appears to be calming.
> >
> > They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south of
> >Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it could
> >be.
> > It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area is
> >Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
> >there.
> >Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
> >worried.
> >Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
> >evacuated.
> >
> > They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
> >crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of 100K
> >acres in SD county.
>
> Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?

Maybe we can make exceptions for World Series results and natural
disasters.

My late grandparents used to live east of San Diego, so I know the area
a bit.

Stephen

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"MiNE 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> dave weil > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:10:52 -0800, "ScottW" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The Valley Center fire has moved into Escondido and they are calling
for
> > >evacuations in the northeast corner. I can see plumes of smoke due
east of
> > >my place, probably 10 to 15 miles. Smoke is still moving to the south
but
> > >it appears to be calming.
> > >
> > > They just mentioned that fires are reported in Rancho Bernardo south
of
> > >Poway. I dont know of a section of RB that is south of Poway but it
could
> > >be.
> > > It has pretty much swept through Scripps Ranch now and the worst area
is
> > >Tierra Santa which was evacuated earlier. Their showing homes going up
> > >there.
> > >Fire lines on the ridges east of Carmel Mountain Ranch have those folks
> > >worried.
> > >Now San Carlos along Mission Gorge and Mission Trails park is being
> > >evacuated.
> > >
> > > They're saying the fire reached all the way down to Otay Lakes and has
> > >crossed into Mexico. Acreage burned is estimated to be in excess of
100K
> > >acres in SD county.
> >
> > Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>
> Maybe we can make exceptions for World Series results and natural
> disasters.
>
> My late grandparents used to live east of San Diego, so I know the area
> a bit.
>
> Stephen

My father is being evacuated.
(not necessarily due to his age)




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[ScottW]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> My father is being evacuated.
> (not necessarily due to his age)

If the wind picks up tomorrow afternoon blowing due west (as one weather
model predicts), the fire east of Escondido is predicted to reach San
Marcos, the fire in Otay Lakes area will go right into Chula Vista, Alpine
fire into El Cajon and the Poway fires will move into RB. The fire chief
says they won't be able to do anything without air support and all of Ca.
tankers are already assigned fires. Apparently they assign them as the
fires break out and since SD's started last, all the tankers were already
in use. Last report I heard, they weren't planning on getting any state
assistance tomorrow.

All the school districts are closed (except San Marcos but I expect that to
change). All non-emergency city and state personnel are to stay home
tomorrow to keep the roads clear. Only freeway that wasn't shut down
somewhere today in the county is I-5.

It is probably best to evacuate your Dad tonight while things are
relatively calm. Weather reports are starting to look promising but they
really don't know what tomorrow will bring. Even mild winds can get the
fires going and then they create their own weather. They had a video of a
fire created tornado that actually showed flames swirling into the air and
touching down a good distance away and starting another fire.

The football game has been moved to Phoenix and the stadium is an evac
center. They already had to close two evac centers out in east county as
they were threatened.

Even if weather cooperates tomorrow this thing won't be over. The Otay
Lakes area fire won't be contained until the 30th and weather is calling
for a couple days of cooling followed by a new high pressure system and
possibly more Santa Ana conditions later in the week or next weekend.

ScottW

[GeoSynch]

Dormer dundered:

> >So many fires burning around the state...

> Audio related?

"I see your hair is burning,
Hills are filled with fire..."

The Doors "L.A. Woman"

So, buzz off, irrelevant Limey.


GeoSynch

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> So while you whine about ashes on your car Scott, real people are
>> dying.
>
> Hey, there's an accurate representation of what I said.
> I'm sure your friends appreciate the subtle manner in which you used
> their plight to get in a cheap shot on RAO.

Scotty, I'm sure your friends and neighbors appreciate the way you've been
using their plight to get attention on RAO.

BTW, for factual, detailed, non-hysterical reporting, people might want to
look at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

[Lionel]

GeoSynch wrote:
> Dormer dundered:
>
>
>>>So many fires burning around the state...
>
>
>>Audio related?
>
>
> "I see your hair is burning,
> Hills are filled with fire..."
>
> The Doors "L.A. Woman"
>
> So, buzz off, irrelevant Limey.
>
>
> GeoSynch
>
>
Do you really think that this British midinette knows "L.A. Woman" ?

[dave weil]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>
>Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
>I guess that is a little advanced.

Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.

You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?

[dave weil]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:23:00 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> My father is being evacuated.
>> (not necessarily due to his age)
>
> If the wind picks up tomorrow afternoon blowing due west (as one weather
>model predicts), the fire east of Escondido is predicted to reach San
>Marcos, the fire in Otay Lakes area will go right into Chula Vista, Alpine
>fire into El Cajon and the Poway fires will move into RB. The fire chief
>says they won't be able to do anything without air support and all of Ca.
>tankers are already assigned fires. Apparently they assign them as the
>fires break out and since SD's started last, all the tankers were already
>in use. Last report I heard, they weren't planning on getting any state
>assistance tomorrow.
>
>All the school districts are closed (except San Marcos but I expect that to
>change). All non-emergency city and state personnel are to stay home
>tomorrow to keep the roads clear. Only freeway that wasn't shut down
>somewhere today in the county is I-5.
>
> It is probably best to evacuate your Dad tonight while things are
>relatively calm. Weather reports are starting to look promising but they
>really don't know what tomorrow will bring. Even mild winds can get the
>fires going and then they create their own weather. They had a video of a
>fire created tornado that actually showed flames swirling into the air and
>touching down a good distance away and starting another fire.
>
> The football game has been moved to Phoenix and the stadium is an evac
>center. They already had to close two evac centers out in east county as
>they were threatened.
>
>Even if weather cooperates tomorrow this thing won't be over. The Otay
>Lakes area fire won't be contained until the 30th and weather is calling
>for a couple days of cooling followed by a new high pressure system and
>possibly more Santa Ana conditions later in the week or next weekend.

It's turned cold here in Nashville.

And it's raining.

[David Joslin]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
> >
> >Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
> >I guess that is a little advanced.
>
> Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
> morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
> Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.
>
> You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?

Right now it's hard to get information about the fires that's current and
specific to one's area. The TV is focused on pictures from the various field
reporters and the newspaper sites empasize the big picture and not terribly
up to date. I appreciate Scott's reports because they have helped keep me
informed, so that I know whether my family or my house (in Clairemont Mesa
area) is at risk.

Scott is providing a community service. He is not "a self-absorbed little
prat." But you are.

David Joslin

[dave weil]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:58:00 GMT, "David Joslin"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"dave weil" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>> >
>> >Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
>> >I guess that is a little advanced.
>>
>> Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
>> morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
>> Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.
>>
>> You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?
>
>Right now it's hard to get information about the fires that's current and
>specific to one's area. The TV is focused on pictures from the various field
>reporters and the newspaper sites empasize the big picture and not terribly
>up to date. I appreciate Scott's reports because they have helped keep me
>informed, so that I know whether my family or my house (in Clairemont Mesa
>area) is at risk.

So tell me, how did *he* get the reports? HE GOT THEM FROM THE NEWS.

I'm sure that you can figure out whether the fires are close enough to
you to put ash on your car because that's about the extent of the
information that you can't get from the media.

>Scott is providing a community service. He is not "a self-absorbed little
>prat." But you are.

Minute by minute blow-by-blows can go private. If you think that Scott
is essential for your well-being because he seems to have better
information than you, then why not contact him privately?

BTW, I have no problem with mentioning it, just the obsessive posting
of every minute details, ESPECIALLY from someone whose stock in trade
is posting a couple of lines of dissing material to others on the
list. I'm sorry that I find it annoying to the max, but there you go.

BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
sure you will be relieved.

[Arny Krueger]

"David Joslin" > wrote in message

> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>>>
>>> Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
>>> I guess that is a little advanced.
>>
>> Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
>> morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
>> Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.
>>
>> You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?
>
> Right now it's hard to get information about the fires that's current
> and specific to one's area. The TV is focused on pictures from the
> various field reporters and the newspaper sites empasize the big
> picture and not terribly up to date.

Here's a challenge. Find something said on RAO that isn't represented more
accurately, wiht more detail, and more up-to-date on:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/

especially:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/ataglance.html

and

http://www.msnbc.com/news

[Lionel]

dave weil wrote:

> BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
> overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
> about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
> sure you will be relieved.

I guess that you'll be rid of yourself for 4 or 5 hours also...

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>
> Minute by minute blow-by-blows can go private.

You have a right to express your opinion no matter how big an ass it
shows you to be.

ScottW

[Dogma4e]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil >
wrote:


>
>Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nbaspt8f5tig68u6o9dhgf7fai1osbd8vh%404 ax.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

[David Joslin]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "David Joslin" > wrote in message
>
> > "dave weil" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:59 -0800, "ScottW" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
> >>>
> >>> Ummmm, forget how to right click and mark read?
> >>> I guess that is a little advanced.
> >>
> >> Sure. I guess I can pratter on about what I had for breakfast this
> >> morning. Then I can update you on my going out and buying a paper.
> >> Then I'll talk about the phone call I got.
> >>
> >> You're a self-absorbed little prat, aren't you?
> >
> > Right now it's hard to get information about the fires that's current
> > and specific to one's area. The TV is focused on pictures from the
> > various field reporters and the newspaper sites empasize the big
> > picture and not terribly up to date.
>
> Here's a challenge. Find something said on RAO that isn't represented
more
> accurately, wiht more detail, and more up-to-date on:
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/
>
> especially:
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/ataglance.html
>
> and
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news
>

Actually, most of the best information I'm getting is coming from friends
and relatives going out and looking and then calling each other. The next
best comes from blogs and people on the ground--like Scott--who report what
they see and know to everyone else. Right now with things changing by the
minute bottom up beats top down big time. It's what makes the Internet
great, hell, it's what makes democracy great. It's too bad you don't have a
good word for it.

Thanks for the urls, I check them too.

David Joslin

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...

>
> BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
> overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
> about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
> sure you will be relieved.

Lighten up, Dave.
You too have posted stuff that I
(and I am sure others) didn't care a rat's ass about.
So what? I passed them by.
But I respect and admire that you have other interests
besides audio, and wish to talk about them with a
couple of others here on this group.

You havin' a bad day or something? This is unlike you.




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "David Joslin" > wrote in message

>
> Here's a challenge. Find something said on RAO that isn't represented
more
> accurately, wiht more detail, and more up-to-date on:
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/
>
> especially:
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/ataglance.html
>
> and
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news
>

These are exactly what I have been following.
MSNBC (the home page on my pc at home and at work) is short on details, but
is timely on major events
The newspaper is a little better on details, but
not very timely. Scott, keeping up with local radio
and tv, was timely and had more specific info
that was of interest to me.




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[Marc Phillips]

Yustabe said:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
>> overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
>> about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
>> sure you will be relieved.
>
>Lighten up, Dave.
>You too have posted stuff that I
>(and I am sure others) didn't care a rat's ass about.
>So what? I passed them by.
>But I respect and admire that you have other interests
>besides audio, and wish to talk about them with a
>couple of others here on this group.
>
>You havin' a bad day or something? This is unlike you.

Ordinarily I might agree with dave, that Scott's frequent updates might not be
of interest to the rest of the group. Then I remember some insensitive
comments made by some, including me, about the DC sniper. In addition, I'm
watching the fires from my front yard, and they've moved within three miles of
where I live, and it's gotten to the point where I'm hosing down my roof
because I'm seeing embers here and there.

In other words, at this moment, I empathize with Scott's concerns.

Boon

[dave weil]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:48:14 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>
>> BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
>> overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
>> about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
>> sure you will be relieved.
>
>I guess that you'll be rid of yourself for 4 or 5 hours also...

Well, I'm back and I'm *still* not rid of me, although I'll have to
say that I've enjoyed myself on the distributor's dime...

[dave weil]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:16:27 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Minute by minute blow-by-blows can go private.
>
> You have a right to express your opinion no matter how big an ass it
>shows you to be.

Well yes, that's why you're here, right?

[dave weil]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil >
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>
>
>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nbaspt8f5tig68u6o9dhgf7fai1osbd8vh%404 ax.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
case - right doggie?

[Dogma4e]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil >
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>>
>>
>>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nbaspt8f5tig68u6o9dhgf7fai1osbd8vh%404 ax.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
>I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
>case - right doggie?

Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.

[dave weil]

On 28 Oct 2003 18:03:52 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
wrote:

>Yustabe said:
>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>
>>> BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
>>> overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
>>> about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
>>> sure you will be relieved.
>>
>>Lighten up, Dave.
>>You too have posted stuff that I
>>(and I am sure others) didn't care a rat's ass about.
>>So what? I passed them by.
>>But I respect and admire that you have other interests
>>besides audio, and wish to talk about them with a
>>couple of others here on this group.
>>
>>You havin' a bad day or something? This is unlike you.
>
>Ordinarily I might agree with dave, that Scott's frequent updates might not be
>of interest to the rest of the group. Then I remember some insensitive
>comments made by some, including me, about the DC sniper. In addition, I'm
>watching the fires from my front yard, and they've moved within three miles of
>where I live, and it's gotten to the point where I'm hosing down my roof
>because I'm seeing embers here and there.
>
>In other words, at this moment, I empathize with Scott's concerns.
>
>Boon

Just to clarify, I simply said this:

"Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates"?

And then Scott ( and a couple of others) felt like he had to jump on
me.

I sympathize with those few of you who are being affected by this. But
to have an ASSHOLE - (yes, guys, I know that you've actually visited
Scott, so you have a different perspective), a guy who's whole life
here on RAO is to be judge, jury and executioner in as few words as
possible, start posting mountains of information about minute to
minute changes in the wind just rubbed me the wrong way. It seemed
self-pitying and self-serving as well. And frankly, I could have been
far more caustic than I was - I simply noted that posting scores of
updates (which is how it seemed to be going) was worth commenting on.

The fact that I gave updates on 9-11 seems to me to be a whole
different dimension of interest to the group. Sure, the fires in So.
Cal. are fairly bad fires of the type that we seem to suffer each year
in different parts of the country. And I didn't really mind a couple
of postings. But to post stuff that probably had specific relevance to
virtually nobody, just seemed like an effort to garner sympathy.

I notice that *you* and Art didn't feel compelled to act like Jesus on
the cross. and yet, I hope that all works out for you, obviously. for
Scott to beat up on me for my comment means that I really *don't* care
so much about whether or not he'll be cooking giant lobsters on his
roof.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:33:39 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nbaspt8f5tig68u6o9dhgf7fai1osbd8vh%404 ax.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>>
>>I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
>>case - right doggie?
>
>Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
>day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
>us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
>because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
>Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.

That might be your perspective. I'd have to say though that 9-11
affected me (and *everyone* on this group, regardless of what country
they're from) far more than the fires in So. Cal is going to.

The main reason that I continued posting about it was that several
people wrote me privately and said that they were at work and didn't
have access to the media (and so I figured that, given word to the
contrary, there were likely a lot of people in that same boat). And
nobody thought (at least not articulated) that my "reportage" was
excessive. I was *asked* to continue posting what *some* of us were
seeing on CNN and NBC. Not one person said that it was excessive.

If it had bothered you, you should have said something, just like *I*
did.

<shrug>

Nice to find out that I've had such an effect on you though. It swells
me with pride...

[Dogma4e]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:23:17 -0600, dave weil >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:33:39 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nbaspt8f5tig68u6o9dhgf7fai1osbd8vh%404 ax.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>>>
>>>I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
>>>case - right doggie?
>>
>>Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
>>day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
>>us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
>>because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
>>Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.
>
>That might be your perspective. I'd have to say though that 9-11
>affected me (and *everyone* on this group, regardless of what country
>they're from) far more than the fires in So. Cal is going to.
>
>The main reason that I continued posting about it was that several
>people wrote me privately and said that they were at work and didn't
>have access to the media (and so I figured that, given word to the
>contrary, there were likely a lot of people in that same boat).

These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?

>And
>nobody thought (at least not articulated) that my "reportage" was
>excessive. I was *asked* to continue posting what *some* of us were
>seeing on CNN and NBC. Not one person said that it was excessive.
>
>If it had bothered you, you should have said something, just like *I*
>did.
>
><shrug>
>
>Nice to find out that I've had such an effect on you though. It swells
>me with pride...

You're next on the list, pal...




I'm kidding, of course!

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...

> Scott to beat up on me for my comment means that I really *don't* care
> so much about whether or not he'll be cooking giant lobsters on his
> roof.

I hope you suffer no misfortunes Dave. Taking RAO a little too
seriously is misfortune enough.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
...
>
> Ordinarily I might agree with dave, that Scott's frequent updates might
not be
> of interest to the rest of the group. Then I remember some insensitive
> comments made by some, including me, about the DC sniper. In addition,
I'm
> watching the fires from my front yard, and they've moved within three
miles of
> where I live, and it's gotten to the point where I'm hosing down my roof
> because I'm seeing embers here and there.
>
> In other words, at this moment, I empathize with Scott's concerns.

Wow, good luck Marc. All we have is a little smoke today.

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:06:29 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Scott to beat up on me for my comment means that I really *don't* care
>> so much about whether or not he'll be cooking giant lobsters on his
>> roof.
>
> I hope you suffer no misfortunes Dave. Taking RAO a little too
>seriously is misfortune enough.

Hmmmm, maybe you should take your *own* advice.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:48:13 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:23:17 -0600, dave weil >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:33:39 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:26:28 -0600, dave weil >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:25:22 GMT, (Dogma4e) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600, dave weil >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=nbaspt8f5tig68u6o9dhgf7fai1osbd8vh%404 ax.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>>>>
>>>>I would argue that the "community" was a little bit larger in this
>>>>case - right doggie?
>>>
>>>Well, all I recall is that you reminded me of chicken little on that
>>>day, flitting around transcribing everything you and all the rest of
>>>us were seeing on CNN. Frankly, you looked much sillier than Scott
>>>because you were just as removed as the rest of us on 9/11, while
>>>Scott is watching this happen out his backdoor.
>>
>>That might be your perspective. I'd have to say though that 9-11
>>affected me (and *everyone* on this group, regardless of what country
>>they're from) far more than the fires in So. Cal is going to.
>>
>>The main reason that I continued posting about it was that several
>>people wrote me privately and said that they were at work and didn't
>>have access to the media (and so I figured that, given word to the
>>contrary, there were likely a lot of people in that same boat).
>
>These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
>type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?

Apparently people who probably couldn't monitor CNN because of their
work conditions.

Still, equating the So. Cal. fires with 9-11 is a stretch.

>>And
>>nobody thought (at least not articulated) that my "reportage" was
>>excessive. I was *asked* to continue posting what *some* of us were
>>seeing on CNN and NBC. Not one person said that it was excessive.
>>
>>If it had bothered you, you should have said something, just like *I*
>>did.
>>
>><shrug>
>>
>>Nice to find out that I've had such an effect on you though. It swells
>>me with pride...
>
>You're next on the list, pal...
>
>
>
>
>I'm kidding, of course!

Whatever *that* meant, of course.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Dogma4e" > wrote in message
...
>
> These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
> type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?
>
>

Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
locations of affected areas.




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[ScottW]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dogma4e" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
> > type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?
> >
> >
>
> Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
> locations of affected areas.

Even the local news was screwed at times as they were
in information overload. I saw a map of road closures
on KUSI that had an arrow on Highway 78 saying
closed at Pine Bluff Road. Trouble was the arrow was
about where my house is and Pine Bluff Road is about
20 miles east on the other side of Escondido.

Apparently (my kid's info from AIM) his school is closing the
rest of the week due to the smoke.

ScottW

[Marc Phillips]

dave said:

>On 28 Oct 2003 18:03:52 GMT, (Marc Phillips)
>wrote:
>
>>Yustabe said:
>>
>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, it's still cloudy here in Nashville. And I'm leaving to go on an
>>>> overnight trip for a distillery tour at Buffalo Trace in Kentucky in
>>>> about an hour and a half, so, you'll be rid of me until tomorrow. I'm
>>>> sure you will be relieved.
>>>
>>>Lighten up, Dave.
>>>You too have posted stuff that I
>>>(and I am sure others) didn't care a rat's ass about.
>>>So what? I passed them by.
>>>But I respect and admire that you have other interests
>>>besides audio, and wish to talk about them with a
>>>couple of others here on this group.
>>>
>>>You havin' a bad day or something? This is unlike you.
>>
>>Ordinarily I might agree with dave, that Scott's frequent updates might not
>be
>>of interest to the rest of the group. Then I remember some insensitive
>>comments made by some, including me, about the DC sniper. In addition, I'm
>>watching the fires from my front yard, and they've moved within three miles
>of
>>where I live, and it's gotten to the point where I'm hosing down my roof
>>because I'm seeing embers here and there.
>>
>>In other words, at this moment, I empathize with Scott's concerns.
>>
>>Boon
>
>Just to clarify, I simply said this:
>
>"Ummmm, do we *really* need all of these updates"?
>
>And then Scott ( and a couple of others) felt like he had to jump on
>me.
>
>I sympathize with those few of you who are being affected by this. But
>to have an ASSHOLE - (yes, guys, I know that you've actually visited
>Scott, so you have a different perspective), a guy who's whole life
>here on RAO is to be judge, jury and executioner in as few words as
>possible, start posting mountains of information about minute to
>minute changes in the wind just rubbed me the wrong way. It seemed
>self-pitying and self-serving as well. And frankly, I could have been
>far more caustic than I was - I simply noted that posting scores of
>updates (which is how it seemed to be going) was worth commenting on.
>
>The fact that I gave updates on 9-11 seems to me to be a whole
>different dimension of interest to the group. Sure, the fires in So.
>Cal. are fairly bad fires of the type that we seem to suffer each year
>in different parts of the country. And I didn't really mind a couple
>of postings. But to post stuff that probably had specific relevance to
>virtually nobody, just seemed like an effort to garner sympathy.
>
>I notice that *you* and Art didn't feel compelled to act like Jesus on
>the cross. and yet, I hope that all works out for you, obviously. for
>Scott to beat up on me for my comment means that I really *don't* care
>so much about whether or not he'll be cooking giant lobsters on his
>roof.

I understand all of that. I'm not trying to say that one person is right and
the other is wrong. But it is really scary to be in the middle of all this,
and maybe Scott's updates made him feel at least a little bit better.

BTW, I was in Scott's neck of the woods today, and I'm sure I was only a few
miles from the fire. In other words, I traveled almost 140 miles from my
house, where there was fire, to Scott's house, where there was fire. That kind
of puts a perspective on the size of this thing. In Scott's city, you can't
see more than a hundred yards because of the smoke. In my city, you can
clearly see the fire's progress along the top of the hills above my home. I'm
not sure which is more unnerving.

Boon

[Marc Phillips]

Scott said:

> Wow, good luck Marc. All we have is a little smoke today.
>

You had a lot of smoke today...I was there, at the new Sav-On they're opening
tomorrow. My eyes are really burning.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message

> "Dogma4e" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
>> type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?
>>
>>
>
> Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
> locations of affected areas.

Scott's reports were hysterical and inaccurate.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
>
> > "Dogma4e" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
> >> type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
> > locations of affected areas.
>
> Scott's reports were hysterical and inaccurate.
>
>

How would you know how accurate they were?
They had more detail than msnbc and the paper, the
sites you offered up.
You don't have the right measurement tools, Arny!





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[Arny Krueger]

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message


> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...

>> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
>>

>>> "Dogma4e" > wrote in message
>>> ...

>>>> These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
>>>> type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?

>>> Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
>>> locations of affected areas.

LOL!

>> Scott's reports were hysterical and inaccurate.

> How would you know how accurate they were?

Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires. Plus, the published
reports that must have shot way over your pointed little head, Scott. You
obviously didn't read them. Something about pictures and charts being worth
a thousand words (each), and a thousand words is far more the skimpy
hysterical pieces that you posted.

> They had more detail than msnbc and the paper, the
> sites you offered up.

You're delusional, Scott. All the time. Look at who you call your friends!
More like fiends, if you ask me.

> You don't have the right measurement tools, Arny!

I know rank, stinking panic when I read it. You're in love with fiends
because they pay attention to you when you deserve to be ignored.

[Arny Krueger]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message


(correction)

> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
>
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>>> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
>>>
>
>>>> "Dogma4e" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>
>>>>> These people were at work, able to get usenet, yet weren't able to
>>>>> type in www.cnn.com ? Who are these people?
>
>>>> Scott's information was much more specific, such as to
>>>> locations of affected areas.
>
> LOL!

>>> Scott's reports were hysterical and inaccurate.

They were highly limited and reflected a lot of panic.

>> How would you know how accurate they were?

> Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires. Plus, the published
> reports that must have shot way over your pointed little head, Yustabe.


> You obviously didn't read them. Something about pictures and charts
> being worth a thousand words (each), and a thousand words is far more
> the skimpy hysterical pieces that Scott posted.

>> They had more detail than msnbc and the paper, the
>> sites you offered up.

> You're delusional, Yustabe. All the time. Look at who you call your
> friends! More like fiends, if you ask me.

>> You don't have the right measurement tools, Arny!

> I know rank, stinking panic when I read it. You're in love with fiends
> because they pay attention to you when you deserve to be ignored.

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
>
>
> > How would you know how accurate they were?
>
> Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires. Plus, the published
> reports that must have shot way over your pointed little head, Scott. You
> obviously didn't read them. Something about pictures and charts being
worth
> a thousand words (each), and a thousand words is far more the skimpy
> hysterical pieces that you posted.
>

you are ahving another major brain fart!
you are responding to Art


> > They had more detail than msnbc and the paper, the
> > sites you offered up.
>
> You're delusional, Scott. All the time. Look at who you call your friends!
> More like fiends, if you ask me.
>

That was a stinky brain fart!

> > You don't have the right measurement tools, Arny!
>
> I know rank, stinking panic when I read it. You're in love with fiends
> because they pay attention to you when you deserve to be ignored.


I know raving, incurable dementia when I see it. You can't keep the
simplest things straight. We certainly can't trust you when things get
complicated.




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[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

> (correction)

>
> > Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires. Plus, the published
> > reports that must have shot way over your pointed little head, Yustabe.
>

I am glsd to see thet you have recovered to your
normal abnormal state.




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[ScottW]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

> Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires.

Must have been incredible fat people since there were
4 individual fires in SD county with locations that went from the
northern end of the county to the Mexican border.

In other words, physical impossibility to be within 3
miles of the "fires".

Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.

ScottW

[Marc Phillips]

ScottW said:

>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires.
>
> Must have been incredible fat people since there were
>4 individual fires in SD county with locations that went from the
>northern end of the county to the Mexican border.
>
>In other words, physical impossibility to be within 3
>miles of the "fires".
>
>Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
>more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
>including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
>I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.

Such is the life of an Internet geek. They pretend to know everything, yet
they are incredible failures in real life.

Boon

[Sockpuppet Yustabe]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:iK_nb.46667$gi2.37781@fed1read01...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires.
>
> Must have been incredible fat people since there were
> 4 individual fires in SD county with locations that went from the
> northern end of the county to the Mexican border.
>
> In other words, physical impossibility to be within 3
> miles of the "fires".
>
> Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
> more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
> including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
> I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.
>

Not to mention the disdain of the rest of us.




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[George M. Middius]

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

> > Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
> > more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
> > including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
> > I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.

> Not to mention the disdain of the rest of us.

Maybe Arnii will give us an update on his fabulous collection of
turds.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:31:39 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Info from people less than 3 miles from the fires.
>
> Must have been incredible fat people since there were
>4 individual fires in SD county with locations that went from the
>northern end of the county to the Mexican border.
>
>In other words, physical impossibility to be within 3
>miles of the "fires".
>
>Arny, you are so sickened by this need to show you know
>more disease that you undoubtedly will say anything,
>including outright lying, to attempt to put yourself on top.
>I can only think you must have incredibly weak self respect.
>
>ScottW

Taking RAO too seriously again, I see.

<s******>

[GeoSynch]

Lionel wrote:

> Do you really think that this British midinette knows "L.A. Woman" ?

She probably fantasizes about being one.


GeoSynch