The Last Battle for France has begun

[ScottW]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4404362.stm

Right-wing French MP Philippe de Villiers told RTL radio that the
problem stemmed from the "failure of a policy of massive and
uncontrolled immigration".

While the Muslim representative demands they be "given" their due.

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.

They "must be given the conditions to live with dignity as human
beings", not in "disgraceful squats", he said.

They demand France give them what they could never earn or build for
themselves.

ScottW

[Sander deWaal]

"ScottW" > said:

>Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

IMHO.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[Lionel]

ScottW wrote :


> Right-wing French MP Philippe de Villiers told RTL radio that the
> problem stemmed from the "failure of a policy of massive and
> uncontrolled immigration".

LOL, I was sure that this one will please you.
Presumptuous and dumb, just like you. ;-)

[Lionel]

In >, Sander deWaal wrote :

> "ScottW" > said:
>
>>Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>>French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>>Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>
>
> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
> unacceptable to Western standards.
> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
> IMHO.

Most of Paris' suburbs is a bull**** inhuman urbanization from the '60s.
Add to this 40 to 45% unenployment and you have an explosive mixture.

Same events occured in London few years ago... same reasons.

[MLZ]

They might have a high unemployment rate, but they have a kinder and gentler
"French" style economy (certainty NOT American style capitalism) with a
great social safety net.

--
Thanks,

Mike

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Sander deWaal wrote :
>
>> "ScottW" > said:
>>
>>>Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>>>French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>>>Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>>
>>
>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>
>> IMHO.
>
> Most of Paris' suburbs is a bull**** inhuman urbanization from the '60s.
> Add to this 40 to 45% unenployment and you have an explosive mixture.
>
> Same events occured in London few years ago... same reasons.
>

[ScottW]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> "ScottW" > said:
>
> >Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
> >French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
> >Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>
>
> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
> unacceptable to Western standards.
> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
like it.

ScottW

[dave weil]

On 3 Nov 2005 14:21:31 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:

>
>Sander deWaal wrote:
>> "ScottW" > said:
>>
>> >Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>> >French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>> >Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>>
>>
>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
> They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
>dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
>willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
>like it.

So you don't believe in code enforcement.

Cool.

[Clyde Slick]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > said:
>
>>Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>>French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>>Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>
>
> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
> unacceptable to Western standards.
> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
> IMHO.
>

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
:

>
> Most of Paris' suburbs is a bull**** inhuman urbanization from the '60s.
> Add to this 40 to 45% unenployment and you have an explosive mixture.
>
> Same events occured in London few years ago... same reasons.
>

socialism

[Clyde Slick]

"MLZ" > wrote in message
.. .
> They might have a high unemployment rate, but they have a kinder and
> gentler "French" style economy (certainty NOT American style capitalism)
> with a great social safety net.
>

I thought the Soviet Union was dead.

[Clyde Slick]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Sander deWaal wrote:
>> "ScottW" > said:
>>
>> >Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>> >French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>> >Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>>
>>
>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
> They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
> dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
> willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
> like it.
>
A better choice would be to break into the car and sleep in it.

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On 3 Nov 2005 14:21:31 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>>
>>Sander deWaal wrote:
>>> "ScottW" > said:
>>>
>>> >Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>>> >French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>>> >Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>
>> They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
>>dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
>>willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
>>like it.
>
> So you don't believe in code enforcement.
>
I believe in enforcing the immigration code.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
> > unacceptable to Western standards.
> > If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
> > adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On 3 Nov 2005 14:21:31 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>>
>>Sander deWaal wrote:
>>> "ScottW" > said:
>>>
>>> >Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>>> >French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>>> >Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>
>> They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
>>dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
>>willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
>>like it.
>
> So you don't believe in code enforcement.
>
> Cool.

Everybody duck..here comes another dose irrationality courtesy of Dave.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
> :
>
>>
>> Most of Paris' suburbs is a bull**** inhuman urbanization from the '60s.
>> Add to this 40 to 45% unenployment and you have an explosive mixture.
>>
>> Same events occured in London few years ago... same reasons.
>>
>
> socialism

bingo

Some of our worst riots started in public housing projects.

ScottW

[Clyde Slick]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Clyde Slick said:
>
>> > From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>> > unacceptable to Western standards.
>> > If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>> > adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
>> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>
> I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>

You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
free adeqaute accomodations?

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> >> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

> > I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.

> You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
> free adeqaute accomodations?

I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it up...

[ScottW]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> Clyde Slick said:
>>
>>> > From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>> > unacceptable to Western standards.
>>> > If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>> > adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>
>>> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>>
>> I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>>
>
> You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
> free adeqaute accomodations?

Maybe the Canadian accomodations were inadequate.

http://tinyurl.com/d8xza

ScottW

[Clyde Slick]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:T6zaf.4755$AC.4455@dukeread10...
>
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
>> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Clyde Slick said:
>>>
>>>> > From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>>> > unacceptable to Western standards.
>>>> > If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>>> > adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>>
>>>> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>>>
>>> I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>>>
>>
>> You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
>> free adeqaute accomodations?
>
> Maybe the Canadian accomodations were inadequate.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d8xza
>

If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

[Clyde Slick]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Clyde Slick said:
>
>> >> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>
>> > I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>
>> You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
>> free adeqaute accomodations?
>
> I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it
> up...
>

Sorry, Norton is on an inspection tour.

[dave weil]

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:20:21 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On 3 Nov 2005 14:21:31 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Sander deWaal wrote:
>>>> "ScottW" > said:
>>>>
>>>> >Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>>>> >French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>>>> >Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>>>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>>
>>> They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
>>>dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
>>>willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
>>>like it.
>>
>> So you don't believe in code enforcement.
>>
>> Cool.
>
> Everybody duck..here comes another dose irrationality courtesy of Dave.
>
>ScottW

More fractured English from our little Hitler.

[Lionel]

In >, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote :

>
>
> Clyde Slick said:
>
>> >> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>
>> > I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>
>> You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
>> free adeqaute accomodations?
>
> I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it
> up...


LA CONSTITUTION Française DE 1958 ET LE PRÉAMBULE DE 1946
Texte incluant les modifications depuis 1958

[...]
10. La Nation assure à l'individu et à la famille les conditions nécessaires
à leur développement.
[...]

[Lionel]

In >, George M. Middius <cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote :

>
>
> Clyde Slick said:
>
>> > From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>> > unacceptable to Western standards.
>> > If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>> > adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
>> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>
> I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.

It's a right but it's not free.

[Lionel]

In >, MLZ wrote :

> They might have a high unemployment rate, but they have a kinder and
> gentler "French" style economy (certainty NOT American style capitalism)
> with a great social safety net.

That's right but it's still very difficult to live with that. I mean
materially but also morally.

[George Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>their native paradise.

Is that your "compassionate conservative" viewpoint?


..
..
..

[Lionel]

> Clyde Slick said:
>
>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>their native paradise.

Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)

Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
since 2 or 3 generations.
Just to give you an idea of how moronic you are.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>
>> Clyde Slick said:
>>
>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>>their native paradise.
>
>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>
>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
>since 2 or 3 generations.

Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
requisite number of years.

I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
(as he's already admitted).

[ScottW]

dave weil wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Clyde Slick said:
> >>
> >>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
> >>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
> >>>their native paradise.
> >
> >Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
> >
> >Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
> >since 2 or 3 generations.
>
> Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
> DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
> requisite number of years.

Apparently its not quite so simple as producing a birth certificate.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/citizen/2002/0610.htm

>
> I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
> doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
> (as he's already admitted).

Thats because all the waiter are going to refuse service to the
aggressors and save us.

ScottW

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Clyde Slick said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>>>their native paradise.
>>
>>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>
>>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
>>since 2 or 3 generations.
>
>
> Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
> DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
> requisite number of years.
>
> I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
> doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
> (as he's already admitted).

Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
trolls.

[Sander deWaal]

"ScottW" > said:

>> >Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>> >French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>> >Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.


> They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
>dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
>willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
>like it.


Well, when they're allowed to stay in France, they (should) have at
least the same rights as others.
If one doesn't want (to take responsibility for) illegal aliens, get
them out.
Allow them to stay, and you owe them at least a decent shelter.

Look at it this way: here in Holland, we (the state) provide housing
and a minimum of income for those who are allowed to stay here.
With that basis, they can learn the language, and when they are
acomodated, they can go working.

Most of them do after some time, we have very knowledgeable and
skilled doctors, engineers etc. from Turkey, Croatia, some African and
Asian countries.

I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
goal, however.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[ScottW]

Lionel wrote:
> dave weil a écrit :
> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Clyde Slick said:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
> >>>>their native paradise.
> >>
> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
> >>
> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
> >
> >
> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
> > requisite number of years.
> >
> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
> > (as he's already admitted).
>
> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
> trolls.

If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
as immigrants?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm

ScottW

[Sander deWaal]

"Clyde Slick" > said:

>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

>> IMHO.


>People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????


If they're allowed to stay, yes.
If you do not, they'll take it or become criminals.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[dave weil]

On 4 Nov 2005 11:21:50 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:

>
>dave weil wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> Clyde Slick said:
>> >>
>> >>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>> >>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>> >>>their native paradise.
>> >
>> >Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>> >
>> >Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
>> >since 2 or 3 generations.
>>
>> Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>> DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>> requisite number of years.
>
> Apparently its not quite so simple as producing a birth certificate.
>http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/citizen/2002/0610.htm

The same tricks of bureacracy can happen here as well. At least there
are no stories of imprisioning American citizens based on their
ethnicity.

>> I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>> doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>> (as he's already admitted).
>
> Thats because all the waiter are going to refuse service to the
>aggressors and save us.

Perhaps paying attention in school would have helped your apparent
struggles with the English language.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal >
wrote:

>I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
>goal, however.

Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.

[Lionel]

ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :

> Lionel wrote:
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Clyde Slick said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>>>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>>>>>their native paradise.
>>>>
>>>>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
>>>>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>>
>>>
>>>Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>>>DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>>requisite number of years.
>>>
>>>I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>>>doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>>(as he's already admitted).
>>
>>Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>trolls.
>
>
> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
> as immigrants?
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm

If you want to know the true of it, try to read french papers or stop
speaking about things that you don't understand, you môron.

http://www.lemonde.fr
http://www.liberation.fr/
http://www.lefigaro.fr/
http://www.humanite.fr/

[Lionel]

Sander deWaal a écrit :
> "Clyde Slick" > said:
>
>
>>>From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>>unacceptable to Western standards.
>>>If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>>adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
>
>>>IMHO.
>
>
>
>>People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>
>
>
> If they're allowed to stay, yes.
> If you do not, they'll take it or become criminals.

I guess that it's like in France.
The have an amount of money at their disposal and they need to pay their
accomodation, etc...

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal >
> wrote:
>
>
>>I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
>>goal, however.
>
>
> Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.

Not the same *declared* fight.

On a NG so full of stupid hatemongers even "funny" amalguams should be
prohibited.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:13:39 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil a écrit :
>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
>>>goal, however.
>>
>>
>> Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.
>
>Not the same *declared* fight.
>
>On a NG so full of stupid hatemongers even "funny" amalguams should be
>prohibited.

Yeah, so stupid that they completely miss the point.

[dave weil]

On 4 Nov 2005 11:40:19 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:

> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>as immigrants?
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm

If you had delved a little deeper from the same source, you would have
read THIS:

"It was rumoured that the boys had actually been chased by police, a
belief which quickly spread and sparked rioting in Clichy-sous-Bois, a
poor suburb largely populated by North African immigrants and their
French-born descendants where there was already friction between
residents and police"

I know that comprehension isn't your best trait, so please let me know
if you'd like the phrase "French-born descendants" explained to you.

[ScottW]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > said:
>
> >> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
> >> unacceptable to Western standards.
> >> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
> >> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
> >> IMHO.
>
>
> >People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>
>
> If they're allowed to stay, yes.
> If you do not, they'll take it or become criminals.

Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.

Heres a good history.

http://staging.fanniemaefoundation.org/programs/hpd/pdf/hpd_0703_hoffman.pdf

ScottW

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:13:39 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
>>>>goal, however.
>>>
>>>
>>>Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.
>>
>>Not the same *declared* fight.
>>
>>On a NG so full of stupid hatemongers even "funny" amalguams should be
>>prohibited.
>
>
> Yeah, so stupid that they completely miss the point.

Don't try to look intelligent now... You were speaking about Theo van
Gogh murder.
And I don't miss any point since your remark was pointless. ;-)

There's no relation between the 2 events... Even if it was a good
attempt from a pseudo-cultured redneck. :-)

[ScottW]

dave weil wrote:
> On 4 Nov 2005 11:40:19 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
> >as immigrants?
> >
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>
> If you had delved a little deeper from the same source, you would have
> read THIS:
>
> "It was rumoured that the boys had actually been chased by police, a
> belief which quickly spread and sparked rioting in Clichy-sous-Bois, a
> poor suburb largely populated by North African immigrants and their
> French-born descendants where there was already friction between
> residents and police"

"France has been stunned by the rioting in immigrant-dominated areas."

"The 18-25-year-olds include immigrants, students and the unemployed. "

"The areas affected are poor, largely immigrant communities with high
levels of unemployment."

>
> I know that comprehension isn't your best trait,

Poor Dave... you struggle so when it isn't spelled out for you.
Holding French citizenship doesn't appear to make one French to old
France.

Now why are you butting into my threads? There is no tip here for you.

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:45:55 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil a écrit :
>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:13:39 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
>>>>>goal, however.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.
>>>
>>>Not the same *declared* fight.
>>>
>>>On a NG so full of stupid hatemongers even "funny" amalguams should be
>>>prohibited.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, so stupid that they completely miss the point.
>
>Don't try to look intelligent now... You were speaking about Theo van
>Gogh murder.

Boy, are YOU stupid.

I would HOPE that you knew what I was talking about.

>And I don't miss any point since your remark was pointless. ;-)

I'm sorry that you miss the point of "foreigners" committing mayhem in
order to promote their viewpoint/culture/status or to "right wrongs".

>There's no relation between the 2 events...

Sure there is. Both events revolved around exotic cultures living in a
country apart from their heritage and both were trying to support
their "cause". Sorry that you're on ScottW's level when it comes to
something other than one-dimensional thinking.

>Even if it was a good
>attempt from a pseudo-cultured redneck. :-)

Did your wife shave her armpits before coming to NYC? Hopefully she'll
being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to proudly flaunt in
your little backwater community.

[dave weil]

On 4 Nov 2005 12:56:43 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:

>
>dave weil wrote:
>> On 4 Nov 2005 11:40:19 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>
>> > If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>> >as immigrants?
>> >
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>>
>> If you had delved a little deeper from the same source, you would have
>> read THIS:
>>
>> "It was rumoured that the boys had actually been chased by police, a
>> belief which quickly spread and sparked rioting in Clichy-sous-Bois, a
>> poor suburb largely populated by North African immigrants and their
>> French-born descendants where there was already friction between
>> residents and police"
>
>"France has been stunned by the rioting in immigrant-dominated areas."
>
>"The 18-25-year-olds include immigrants, students and the unemployed. "
>
>"The areas affected are poor, largely immigrant communities with high
>levels of unemployment."

And those are the French speaking?

I didn't think so.

You are dismissed now.

>> I know that comprehension isn't your best trait,
>
> Poor Dave... you struggle so when it isn't spelled out for you.
>Holding French citizenship doesn't appear to make one French to old
>France.
>
>Now why are you butting into my threads? There is no tip here for you.

Yes, since you were castrated a long time ago.

[Lionel]

ScottW a écrit :

> Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
> pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
> structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.

This is because your social *relation* is based on *ENVY*.
This is the only one word who link as differents character as Middius,
Geosting, S888Wheel, Sackman, YOU....

Decent accomodation is the first step for integration.
When 2 idiots are burning cars 10 are studying to get a decent job.
Unfortunatly for them they are a little bit less interesting for medias.

Oh, I forget you are only interested in sensational news... This
explains that. :-(

[ScottW]

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :
>
> > Lionel wrote:
> >
> >>dave weil a écrit :
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Clyde Slick said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
> >>>>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
> >>>>>>their native paradise.
> >>>>
> >>>>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
> >>>>since 2 or 3 generations.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
> >>>DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
> >>>requisite number of years.
> >>>
> >>>I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
> >>>doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
> >>>(as he's already admitted).
> >>
> >>Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
> >>trolls.
> >
> >
> > If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
> > as immigrants?
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>
> If you want to know the true of it, try to read french papers or stop
> speaking about things that you don't understand, you môron.
>
> http://www.lemonde.fr

Infighting of the politic. Yawn....

> http://www.liberation.fr/

> http://www.lefigaro.fr/

French Islamists apparently intend to perpetrate attacks on civilian
aircraft in France and have to this end acquired two ground-to-air
missiles in Chechnya. This is just the latest development in judge
Jean-Louis Bruguiere's judicial inquiry into the Chechen networks,

Very interesting.

> http://www.humanite.fr/

fyi
http://www.humaniteinenglish.com/

ScottW

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:45:55 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:13:39 +0100, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
>>>>>>goal, however.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.
>>>>
>>>>Not the same *declared* fight.
>>>>
>>>>On a NG so full of stupid hatemongers even "funny" amalguams should be
>>>>prohibited.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah, so stupid that they completely miss the point.
>>
>>Don't try to look intelligent now... You were speaking about Theo van
>>Gogh murder.
>
>
> Boy, are YOU stupid.
>
> I would HOPE that you knew what I was talking about.


Yes I know, as usual snobbish "pseudo-intellectual" void discourses.


>>And I don't miss any point since your remark was pointless. ;-)
>
>
> I'm sorry that you miss the point of "foreigners" committing mayhem in
> order to promote their viewpoint/culture/status or to "right wrongs".


LOL. don't you understand that with such a posteriori ridicule argument
you can explain about 99,9999999% of the human-being behaviour.


>>There's no relation between the 2 events...
>
>
> Sure there is. Both events revolved around exotic cultures living in a
> country apart from their heritage and both were trying to support
> their "cause". Sorry that you're on ScottW's level when it comes to
> something other than one-dimensional thinking.


Good, more pseudo-intellectual-garbage from our favourite redneck
philosopher, more obviousness digging, more waste speaking !
What the **** did you do before for being so useless now ?



>>Even if it was a good
>>attempt from a pseudo-cultured redneck. :-)
>
>
> Did your wife shave her armpits before coming to NYC? Hopefully she'll
> being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to proudly flaunt in
> your little backwater community.


You are very funny when you are vexed. :-)

[Lionel]

ScottW a écrit :

[snip]

Nothing to feed your distortion of the events ?
Oh I'm surprised. Are you sure you can read french ? ;-)

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :

> Hopefully she'll being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to proudly flaunt in
> your little backwater community.

Imagine that she'll come back with "I <heart> rednecks" one...
Don't dream Dave, not enough place for your picture on her t-shirt... :-)

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, George M. Middius <cmndr
> [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote :
>
>>
>>
>> Clyde Slick said:
>>
>>> >> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>>
>>> > I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>>
>>> You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can
>>> have
>>> free adeqaute accomodations?
>>
>> I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it
>> up...
>
>
> LA CONSTITUTION Française DE 1958 ET LE PRÉAMBULE DE 1946
> Texte incluant les modifications depuis 1958
>
> [...]
> 10. La Nation assure à l'individu et à la famille les conditions
> nécessaires
> à leur développement.
> [...]

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, George M. Middius <cmndr
> [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote :
>
>>
>>
>> Clyde Slick said:
>>
>>> >> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>>
>>> > I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>>
>>> You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can
>>> have
>>> free adeqaute accomodations?
>>
>> I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it
>> up...
>
>
> LA CONSTITUTION Française DE 1958 ET LE PRÉAMBULE DE 1946
> Texte incluant les modifications depuis 1958
>
> [...]
> 10. La Nation assure à l'individu et à la famille les conditions
> nécessaires
> à leur développement.
> [...]

Does that include a hot tub?

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, George M. Middius <cmndr
> [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote :
>
>>
>>
>> Clyde Slick said:
>>
>>> > From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>> > unacceptable to Western standards.
>>> > If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>> > adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>
>>> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>>
>> I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>
> It's a right but it's not free.

What right is it if it isn't free?

[Clyde Slick]

"George Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Clyde Slick said:
>
>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>their native paradise.
>
> Is that your "compassionate conservative" viewpoint?
>

They were emigrating for a better life.
Either they found it, or they didn't.
If they found it, they should be happy.
if they didn't, they made a mistake.
As a compassionate conservative, I
think the government should offer them
free passage back to their native paradise,
to help them rectify their mistake.

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Clyde Slick said:
>>
>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>>their native paradise.
>
> Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>
> Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
> France
> since 2 or 3 generations.
> Just to give you an idea of how moronic you are.

Reports here state they are mostly immigrants and the 2nd generation.

[Clyde Slick]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "ScottW" > said:
>
>>> >Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
>>> >French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
>>> >Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.
>
>
>>> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>> unacceptable to Western standards.
>>> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>
>
>> They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
>>dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
>>willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
>>like it.
>
>
> Well, when they're allowed to stay in France, they (should) have at
> least the same rights as others.

Yes, the same rights, not necessarily the same accomplishments

> If one doesn't want (to take responsibility for) illegal aliens, get
> them out.
> Allow them to stay, and you owe them at least a decent shelter.
>

Well, there goes "the same rights as the others". Now you
campaign for better rights than the others.


> Look at it this way: here in Holland, we (the state) provide housing
> and a minimum of income for those who are allowed to stay here.
> With that basis, they can learn the language, and when they are
> acomodated, they can go working.
>

With that basis, they learn that they do not have to work,
if they are satisified with what the government gives them.

> Most of them do after some time, we have very knowledgeable and
> skilled doctors, engineers etc. from Turkey, Croatia, some African and
> Asian countries.
>

Were they trained and educated before they got there, or did they grrow up
and get educated in Holland?


> I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
> goal, however.
>
> --
>
> "Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
> - Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[Clyde Slick]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
oups.com...

Lionel wrote:
> dave weil a écrit :
> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Clyde Slick said:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
> >>>>their native paradise.
> >>
> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
> >>
> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
> >>France
> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
> >
> >
> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
> > requisite number of years.
> >
> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
> > (as he's already admitted).
>
> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
> trolls.

If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
as immigrants?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm



Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
being French.

[Clyde Slick]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Sander deWaal wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > said:
>>
>> >> From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>> >> unacceptable to Western standards.
>> >> If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>> >> adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>
>> >> IMHO.
>>
>>
>> >People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>>
>>
>> If they're allowed to stay, yes.
>> If you do not, they'll take it or become criminals.
>
> Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
> pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
> structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.
>
> Heres a good history.
>
> http://staging.fanniemaefoundation.org/programs/hpd/pdf/hpd_0703_hoffman.pdf
>

In the past 10 years, we have been in the process of imploding them.

[Clyde Slick]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> dave weil wrote:
>> On 4 Nov 2005 11:40:19 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>
>> > If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>> >as immigrants?
>> >
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>>
>> If you had delved a little deeper from the same source, you would have
>> read THIS:
>>
>> "It was rumoured that the boys had actually been chased by police, a
>> belief which quickly spread and sparked rioting in Clichy-sous-Bois, a
>> poor suburb largely populated by North African immigrants and their
>> French-born descendants where there was already friction between
>> residents and police"
>
> "France has been stunned by the rioting in immigrant-dominated areas."
>
> "The 18-25-year-olds include immigrants, students and the unemployed. "
>
> "The areas affected are poor, largely immigrant communities with high
> levels of unemployment."
>
>>
>> I know that comprehension isn't your best trait,
>
> Poor Dave... you struggle so when it isn't spelled out for you.
> Holding French citizenship doesn't appear to make one French to old
> France.
>
> Now why are you butting into my threads? There is no tip here for you.
>

Waiting tables is an honorable profession.
"At least" Dave is not inspecting sewers.

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW a écrit :
>
>> Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
>> pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
>> structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.
>
> This is because your social *relation* is based on *ENVY*.
> This is the only one word who link as differents character as Middius,
> Geosting, S888Wheel, Sackman, YOU....
>

Really?? Are you saying that I envy your French citizenship?

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On 4 Nov 2005 12:56:43 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>
>>Now why are you butting into my threads? There is no tip here for you.
>
> Yes, since you were castrated a long time ago.
>
Damn Dave... no wonder you won't give up the name of that restaurant.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:45:55 +0100, Lionel >
>
> Did your wife shave her armpits before coming to NYC? Hopefully she'll
> being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to proudly flaunt in
> your little backwater community.


So much for that mastery of the english language horse you ride around.
Don't you hate it when your spell checker shows how your pompousness
is too shallow to reach any grey matter?

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:25:36 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>Good, more pseudo-intellectual-garbage from our favourite redneck
>philosopher, more obviousness digging, more waste speaking !
>What the **** did you do before for being so useless now ?

You sound far more vexed than me, old man.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:34:32 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil a écrit :
>
>> Hopefully she'll being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to proudly flaunt in
>> your little backwater community.
>
>Imagine that she'll come back with "I <heart> rednecks" one...
>Don't dream Dave, not enough place for your picture on her t-shirt... :-)

Maybe she should get breast implants then.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:39:28 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On 4 Nov 2005 12:56:43 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>>
>>>Now why are you butting into my threads? There is no tip here for you.
>>
>> Yes, since you were castrated a long time ago.
>>
> Damn Dave... no wonder you won't give up the name of that restaurant.

And no balls either, apparently.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:45:30 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:45:55 +0100, Lionel >
>>
>> Did your wife shave her armpits before coming to NYC? Hopefully she'll
>> being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to proudly flaunt in
>> your little backwater community.
>
>
> So much for that mastery of the english language horse you ride around.
> Don't you hate it when your spell checker shows how your pompousness
>is too shallow to reach any grey matter?

Which spell checker? The one i don't use?

BTW, that last sentence is pretty nonsensical.

Frankly, I don't bust on people who make the *occasional* typo. Most
of your communications are on par with Lionel's, except that they're
not bizarrely baroque but pretty mundane.

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW a écrit :
>
>> Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
>> pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
>> structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.
>
> This is because your social *relation* is based on *ENVY*.
> This is the only one word who link as differents character as Middius,
> Geosting, S888Wheel, Sackman, YOU....
>
> Decent accomodation is the first step for integration.
> When 2 idiots are burning cars 10 are studying to get a decent job.

That really explains why the problem has been festering for 30 years.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:45:30 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:45:55 +0100, Lionel >
>>>
>>> Did your wife shave her armpits before coming to NYC? Hopefully she'll
>>> being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to proudly flaunt in
>>> your little backwater community.
>>
>>
>> So much for that mastery of the english language horse you ride around.
>> Don't you hate it when your spell checker shows how your pompousness
>>is too shallow to reach any grey matter?
>
> Which spell checker? The one i don't use?
>
> BTW, that last sentence is pretty nonsensical.
>
> Frankly, I don't bust on people who make the *occasional* typo.

You don't bust on people....<chuckle>

ScottW

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:39:28 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 4 Nov 2005 12:56:43 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Now why are you butting into my threads? There is no tip here for you.
>>>
>>> Yes, since you were castrated a long time ago.
>>>
>> Damn Dave... no wonder you won't give up the name of that restaurant.
>
> And no balls either, apparently.
>
Is that an expertise you've acquired through your employment?

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:08:13 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:45:30 -0800, "ScottW" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:45:55 +0100, Lionel >
>>>>
>>>> Did your wife shave her armpits before coming to NYC? Hopefully she'll
>>>> being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to proudly flaunt in
>>>> your little backwater community.
>>>
>>>
>>> So much for that mastery of the english language horse you ride around.
>>> Don't you hate it when your spell checker shows how your pompousness
>>>is too shallow to reach any grey matter?
>>
>> Which spell checker? The one i don't use?
>>
>> BTW, that last sentence is pretty nonsensical.
>>
>> Frankly, I don't bust on people who make the *occasional* typo.
>
> You don't bust on people....<chuckle>

....if you'd only both to read more than PART of the sentence.

[dave weil]

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:09:25 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:39:28 -0800, "ScottW" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On 4 Nov 2005 12:56:43 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Now why are you butting into my threads? There is no tip here for you.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, since you were castrated a long time ago.
>>>>
>>> Damn Dave... no wonder you won't give up the name of that restaurant.
>>
>> And no balls either, apparently.
>>
> Is that an expertise you've acquired through your employment?

Since when does having a pair qualify as expertise?

[Lionel]

In >, dave weil wrote :

> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:25:36 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>>Good, more pseudo-intellectual-garbage from our favourite redneck
>>philosopher, more obviousness digging, more waste speaking !
>>What the **** did you do before for being so useless now ?
>
> You sound far more vexed than me, old man.

How can you decrypt that in my fractured English ?
BTW you have already proved that you have serious problem of hearing. ;-)

[Lionel]

In >, dave weil wrote :

> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:34:32 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>> Hopefully she'll being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to
>>> proudly flaunt in your little backwater community.
>>
>>Imagine that she'll come back with "I <heart> rednecks" one...
>>Don't dream Dave, not enough place for your picture on her t-shirt... :-)
>
> Maybe she should get breast implants then.

No need, she has lovely...
....Ooops sorry to be cruel with you.

Implants ? Is it the solution you have chosen for your balls ?
Note that this confirm us that you are a specialist of the fake, a master of
the illusion.
To make short thank you for confirming my POV. :-)

[Lionel]

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In >, George M. Middius <cmndr
>> [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clyde Slick said:
>>>
>>>> >> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>>>
>>>> > I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>>>
>>>> You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can
>>>> have
>>>> free adeqaute accomodations?
>>>
>>> I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it
>>> up...
>>
>>
>> LA CONSTITUTION Française DE 1958 ET LE PRÉAMBULE DE 1946
>> Texte incluant les modifications depuis 1958
>>
>> [...]
>> 10. La Nation assure à l'individu et à la famille les conditions
>> nécessaires
>> à leur développement.
>> [...]
>
> Does that include a hot tub?

No, transistor only.

[Lionel]

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In >, George M. Middius <cmndr
>> [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clyde Slick said:
>>>
>>>> > From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
>>>> > unacceptable to Western standards.
>>>> > If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
>>>> > adequate accomodation as other French citizens.
>>>
>>>> People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????
>>>
>>> I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.
>>
>> It's a right but it's not free.
>
> What right is it if it isn't free?

Too bad you can't ask to your Grand-Mother, I'm sure she would have
understood.

[Lionel]

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> Clyde Slick said:
>>>
>>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>>>their native paradise.
>>
>> Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>
>> Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>> France
>> since 2 or 3 generations.
>> Just to give you an idea of how moronic you are.
>
> Reports here state they are mostly immigrants and the 2nd generation.

Because the reports you read are biased. That's not new.

[Lionel]

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> Lionel wrote:
>> dave weil a écrit :
>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>> >>>>their native paradise.
>> >>
>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>> >>
>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>> >>France
>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>> >
>> >
>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>> > requisite number of years.
>> >
>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>
>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>> trolls.
>
> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
> as immigrants?
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm

> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
> being French.


Try to quote French papers, idiot.

[Lionel]

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ScottW a écrit :
>>
>>> Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
>>> pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
>>> structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.
>>
>> This is because your social *relation* is based on *ENVY*.
>> This is the only one word who link as differents character as Middius,
>> Geostink, S888Wheel, Sackman, YOU....
>>
>
> Really?? Are you saying that I envy your French citizenship?

???????????

[Robert Morein]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:57:46 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> ScottW a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
>>>> pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
>>>> structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.
>>>
>>> This is because your social *relation* is based on *ENVY*.
>>> This is the only one word who link as differents character as Middius,
>>> Geostink, S888Wheel, Sackman, YOU....
>>>
>>
>> Really?? Are you saying that I envy your French citizenship?
>
>???????????

France is useless.
they speak a stupid language.

[Lionel]

Robert Morein a écrit :
> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:57:46 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>ScottW a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
>>>>>pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
>>>>>structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>>This is because your social *relation* is based on *ENVY*.
>>>>This is the only one word who link as differents character as Middius,
>>>>Geostink, S888Wheel, Sackman, YOU....
>>>>
>>>
>>>Really?? Are you saying that I envy your French citizenship?
>>
>>???????????
>
>
> France is useless.
> they speak a stupid language.

I agree.

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>> Lionel wrote:
>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>> >>
>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>> >>France
>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>> > requisite number of years.
>>> >
>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>
>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>> trolls.
>>
>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>> as immigrants?
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>
>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>> being French.
>
>
> Try to quote French papers, idiot.

Wasn't my quote, moron.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:48:20 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>In >, dave weil wrote :
>
>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:34:32 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hopefully she'll being you back a "I <heart> NYC" t-shirt for you to
>>>> proudly flaunt in your little backwater community.
>>>
>>>Imagine that she'll come back with "I <heart> rednecks" one...
>>>Don't dream Dave, not enough place for your picture on her t-shirt... :-)
>>
>> Maybe she should get breast implants then.
>
>No need, she has lovely...
>...Ooops sorry to be cruel with you.

Why would this be cruel? If you like pimples, that's cool with me.

>Implants ? Is it the solution you have chosen for your balls ?
>Note that this confirm us that you are a specialist of the fake, a master of
>the illusion.

Ahhhh, more vexation from our little rabid dog.

>To make short thank you for confirming my POV. :-)

Delusion is a specialty for you, THAT'S for sure.

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :

> THAT'S

Why do you feel obliged to shout like that ?

[dave weil]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:49:34 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil a écrit :
>
>> THAT'S
>
>Why do you feel obliged to shout like that ?

Yep, no clue from across the ocean.

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:09:25 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:39:28 -0800, "ScottW" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> On 4 Nov 2005 12:56:43 -0800, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now why are you butting into my threads? There is no tip here for
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, since you were castrated a long time ago.
>>>>>
>>>> Damn Dave... no wonder you won't give up the name of that restaurant.
>>>
>>> And no balls either, apparently.
>>>
>> Is that an expertise you've acquired through your employment?
>
> Since when does having a pair qualify as expertise?

So you really don't know what you're talking about. Ok.

ScottW

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:49:34 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>THAT'S
>>
>>Why do you feel obliged to shout like that ?
>
>
> Yep, no clue from across the ocean.

Yes, or even stabbing film directors for that matter.

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>> Lionel wrote:
>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>> >>
>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>> >>France
>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>> > requisite number of years.
>>> >
>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>
>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>> trolls.
>>
>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>> as immigrants?
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>
>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>> being French.
>
>
> Try to quote French papers, idiot.

Its getting worse.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1766239,00.html

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:29:34 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil a écrit :
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:49:34 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>>THAT'S
>>>
>>>Why do you feel obliged to shout like that ?
>>
>>
>> Yep, no clue from across the ocean.
>
>Yes, or even stabbing film directors for that matter.

Thanks for your admission.

Startlingly candid of you.

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>> Lionel wrote:
>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>> >>
>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>> >>France
>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>> > requisite number of years.
>>> >
>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>
>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>> trolls.
>>
>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>> as immigrants?
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>
>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>> being French.
>
>
> Try to quote French papers, idiot.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=60021

Now they're burning schools!

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>> Lionel wrote:
>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>> >>
>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>> >>France
>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>> > requisite number of years.
>>> >
>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>
>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>> trolls.
>>
>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>> as immigrants?
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>
>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>> being French.
>
>
> Try to quote French papers, idiot.

http://english.people.com.cn/200511/05/eng20051105_219325.html

They even burned a Chinese warehouse.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>> Lionel wrote:
>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>> >>
>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>> >>France
>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>> > requisite number of years.
>>> >
>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>
>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>> trolls.
>>
>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>> as immigrants?
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>
>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>> being French.
>
>
> Try to quote French papers, idiot.

Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>> Lionel wrote:
>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>> >>
>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>> >>France
>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>> > requisite number of years.
>>> >
>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>
>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>> trolls.
>>
>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>> as immigrants?
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>
>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>> being French.
>
>
> Try to quote French papers, idiot.

Crazy Canadians think all is getting better.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051104/arson_paris_051104/20051104?hub=CTVNewsAt11

ScottW

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:29:34 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:49:34 +0100, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>THAT'S
>>>>
>>>>Why do you feel obliged to shout like that ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Yep, no clue from across the ocean.
>>
>>Yes, or even stabbing film directors for that matter.
>
>
> Thanks for your admission.
>
> Startlingly candid of you.

You're very, or even stabbing film directors for that matter, welcome.

[Lionel]

ScottW a écrit :

> Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>
> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343

Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?

[Lionel]

ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :

> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343

"France has been grappling for years with growing unrest among its
second- and third-generation immigrants, mostly North African Arabs, who
have faced decades of high unemployment and marginalization."

BTW thank you for providing an answer to your moronic friend Sackman. ;-)

[dave weil]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:58:38 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>ScottW a écrit :
>
>> Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>
>> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>
>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?

Uh oh, someone's "vexed". If you want to annoy Mr. California right
back, all you have to do is write a single word: Watts.

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:58:38 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>>ScottW a écrit :
>>
>>> Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>>
>>> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>
>>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?
>
> Uh oh, someone's "vexed". If you want to annoy Mr. California right
> back, all you have to do is write a single word: Watts.

Did you know Watts property values appreciated 40% last year?

ScottW

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:58:38 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>ScottW a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>>
>>>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>
>>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?
>
>
> Uh oh, someone's "vexed".

I'm not vexed, sincerely not. BTW why should I be ?
Other times, other mores... Perhaps 25 years before I would have been
with them for the same kind of bad reasons.

In fact I was just proposing to Scott to make a point before his excess
of childish xenophobic enthusiasm makes him look much more stupid than
he really is.

> If you want to annoy Mr. California right
> back, all you have to do is write a single word: Watts.


Recent events have shown that nobody is really protected against such
uncontrolled and generalized access of violence.
So if Scott has already forgotten New Orleans I sincerely doubt that he
can recall LA 1992 spring... :-(

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> dave weil a écrit :
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:58:38 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>ScottW a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>>
>>>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?
>>
>>
>> Uh oh, someone's "vexed".
>
> I'm not vexed, sincerely not. BTW why should I be ?
> Other times, other mores... Perhaps 25 years before I would have been
> with them for the same kind of bad reasons.
>
> In fact I was just proposing to Scott to make a point before his excess
> of childish xenophobic enthusiasm makes him look much more stupid than
> he really is.
>
>> If you want to annoy Mr. California right
>> back, all you have to do is write a single word: Watts.
>
>
> Recent events have shown that nobody is really protected against such
> uncontrolled and generalized access of violence.

It only shows that all the appeasement you can muster won't save you.


> So if Scott has already forgotten New Orleans I sincerely doubt that he
> can recall LA 1992 spring... :-(

and you can't recognize that the economic success of the US over the past
decade has done much to prevent another Watts.
Obviously French culture & economy has failed its new minority.

ScottW

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> dave weil a écrit :
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:49:34 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>>THAT'S
>>>
>>>Why do you feel obliged to shout like that ?
>>
>>
>> Yep, no clue from across the ocean.
>
> Yes, or even stabbing film directors for that matter.

If they wanted to stab a film director in Europe,
they should have "at least" selected one who is a child molester.

[Clyde Slick]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:pc5bf.4882$AC.2526@dukeread10...
>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>
>>>
>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> Lionel wrote:
>>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>>> >>France
>>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if
>>>> > they
>>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>>> > requisite number of years.
>>>> >
>>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France,
>>>> > but
>>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>>
>>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>>> trolls.
>>>
>>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>>> as immigrants?
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>>
>>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>>> being French.
>>
>>
>> Try to quote French papers, idiot.
>
> http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=60021
>
> Now they're burning schools!
>

Easily correctible with a voucher program.

[Clyde Slick]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:ae5bf.4883$AC.4186@dukeread10...
>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>
>>>
>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> Lionel wrote:
>>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>>> >>France
>>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if
>>>> > they
>>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>>> > requisite number of years.
>>>> >
>>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France,
>>>> > but
>>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>>
>>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>>> trolls.
>>>
>>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>>> as immigrants?
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>>
>>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>>> being French.
>>
>>
>> Try to quote French papers, idiot.
>
> http://english.people.com.cn/200511/05/eng20051105_219325.html
>
> They even burned a Chinese warehouse.
>
"At least" it wasn't a Chinese restaurant.

[Clyde Slick]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
news:Ig5bf.4884$AC.4298@dukeread10...
>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>
>>>
>>> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> Lionel wrote:
>>>> dave weil a écrit :
>>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>>Clyde Slick said:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
>>>> >>>>it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
>>>> >>>>their native paradise.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in
>>>> >>France
>>>> >>since 2 or 3 generations.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if
>>>> > they
>>>> > DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
>>>> > requisite number of years.
>>>> >
>>>> > I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France,
>>>> > but
>>>> > doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
>>>> > (as he's already admitted).
>>>>
>>>> Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
>>>> trolls.
>>>
>>> If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
>>> as immigrants?
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm
>>
>>> Maybe that's part of the problem, the French do not accpet them as
>>> being French.
>>
>>
>> Try to quote French papers, idiot.
>
> Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>
> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>
Even CDG is not safe!
No problem, next time my ticket has me going through Milan.

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW a écrit :
>
>> Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>
>> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>
> Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?

AFAIAK, both!

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :
>
>> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>
> "France has been grappling for years with growing unrest among its second-
> and third-generation immigrants, mostly North African Arabs, who have
> faced decades of high unemployment and marginalization."
>
> BTW thank you for providing an answer to your moronic friend Sackman. ;-)

So, your first generation immigrants are happily employed in high paying
jobs.
Very good!!!

[dave weil]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:44:45 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:58:38 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>ScottW a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>>
>>>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?
>>
>> Uh oh, someone's "vexed". If you want to annoy Mr. California right
>> back, all you have to do is write a single word: Watts.
>
> Did you know Watts property values appreciated 40% last year?

So, it WASN'T the "last battle for the US" when Watts went up in
flames.

Cool. I'm guessing it will be the same for France.

BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
riots?

[dave weil]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:19:27 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

> and you can't recognize that the economic success of the US over the past
>decade has done much to prevent another Watts.

Except for New Orleans of course...

>Obviously French culture & economy has failed its new minority.

You mean as the US "failed" its citizens in the 60s and the 70s and in
the new millenium?

Chicago...LA...Kent State...Memphis...Philadelphia...New
Orleans...Miami...Birmingham...Selma...

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...

>
> BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
> riots?

That excuses them??

[dave weil]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>> riots?
>
>That excuses them??

No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>
>>> BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>> riots?
>>
>>That excuses them??
>
> No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
> riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
> Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...

I don't lay it to a failure of France
(for all of its problems). People are responsible
for their own bad behavior. I won't use the cop out of blaming society,
for rioting, whether it is here, or France.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:03:33 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>>> riots?
>>>
>>>That excuses them??
>>
>> No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
>> riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
>> Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...
>
>I don't lay it to a failure of France
>(for all of its problems). People are responsible
>for their own bad behavior. I won't use the cop out of blaming society,
>for rioting, whether it is here, or France.

Who said anything about excusing the rioting? I certainly didn't.

Go back and read the whole post that you trimmed, paying particular
attention to the subject header.

[Lionel]

ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :

> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:58:38 +0100, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>ScottW a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>>>
>>>>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Uh oh, someone's "vexed".
>>
>>I'm not vexed, sincerely not. BTW why should I be ?
>>Other times, other mores... Perhaps 25 years before I would have been
>>with them for the same kind of bad reasons.
>>
>>In fact I was just proposing to Scott to make a point before his excess
>>of childish xenophobic enthusiasm makes him look much more stupid than
>>he really is.
>>
>>
>>>If you want to annoy Mr. California right
>>>back, all you have to do is write a single word: Watts.
>>
>>
>>Recent events have shown that nobody is really protected against such
>>uncontrolled and generalized access of violence.
>
>
> It only shows that all the appeasement you can muster won't save you.
>
>
>
>>So if Scott has already forgotten New Orleans I sincerely doubt that he
>>can recall LA 1992 spring... :-(
>
>
> and you can't recognize that the economic success of the US over the past
> decade has done much to prevent another Watts.

So what about the riot, pillage, rapes in New Orleans recently.
All this *misery* usually carefully hidden which was suddenly exposed to
the world.
It's the first time I saw that. Even in the poorest countries usually
after a natural disaster solidarity is the first natural reaction. Not
in USA : rather than to send help your gourvernment has been obliged to
send the army. The most powerful democratic country of the world !!!!

If it's the only evidence of your economical and social success I prefer
my petty French problems and take care of our adolescent arsonists. :-(

Don't worry, Môron your president has promised you that you will return
in the moon, soon... ;-)

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>
>>"France has been grappling for years with growing unrest among its second-
>>and third-generation immigrants, mostly North African Arabs, who have
>>faced decades of high unemployment and marginalization."
>>
>>BTW thank you for providing an answer to your moronic friend Sackman. ;-)
>
>
> So, your first generation immigrants are happily employed in high paying
> jobs.
> Very good!!!

You are a môron. :-)

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>ScottW a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>>
>>>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>
>>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?
>
>
> AFAIAK, both!

The question wasn't for you but I was sincerely hoping that it was only
to annoy me. Anyway, your answer tells a lot about your moronic
morality. Nothing new.

Note that "AFAIAK" isn't an existing acromyn, you môron. :-)

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:44:45 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:58:38 +0100, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ScottW a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>>>
>>>>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?
>>>
>>>Uh oh, someone's "vexed". If you want to annoy Mr. California right
>>>back, all you have to do is write a single word: Watts.
>>
>>Did you know Watts property values appreciated 40% last year?
>
>
> So, it WASN'T the "last battle for the US" when Watts went up in
> flames.
>
> Cool. I'm guessing it will be the same for France.
>
> BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
> riots?

Zero up to now and I hope this will continue.

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>riots?
>
>
> That excuses them??

That just relativise the events, you idiot.

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick is blowing a fuse :

> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>>>riots?
>>>
>>>That excuses them??
>>
>>No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
>>riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
>>Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...
>
>
> I don't lay it to a failure of France
> (for all of its problems). People are responsible
> for their own bad behavior. I won't use the cop out of blaming society,
> for rioting, whether it is here, or France.

LOL !!!
Are you drunk or are you really so stupid. Cna you explain such
absurdity to answer simple and clear statement ?

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...

>
> So what about the riot, pillage, rapes in New Orleans recently.

That was bad reporting. The looting was real, but we found out
later that the rapes and murders didn't happen. There was not rioots
reported or
otherwise. Do not mistake looting for rioting; we know you'might have some
language barriers in this regard.


> All this *misery* usually carefully hidden which was suddenly exposed to
> the world.
> It's the first time I saw that. Even in the poorest countries usually
> after a natural disaster solidarity is the first natural reaction. Not in
> USA : rather than to send help your gourvernment has been obliged to send
> the army. The most powerful democratic country of the world !!!!
>

You don't understand the distinction betweeen the National Guard and the
US Army.

> If it's the only evidence of your economical and social success I prefer
> my petty French problems and take care of our adolescent arsonists. :-(
>
> Don't worry, Môron your president has promised you that you will return in
> the moon, soon... ;-)
>
"At least" there are no French people there.

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>ScottW a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Houston Chronicle warns tourists to get out.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3440343
>>>
>>>Frankly does this make you happy or do you only try to annoy me ?
>>
>>
>> AFAIAK, both!
>
> The question wasn't for you but I was sincerely hoping that it was only to
> annoy me. Anyway, your answer tells a lot about your moronic morality.
> Nothing new.
>
> Note that "AFAIAK" isn't an existing acromyn, you môron. :-)

Is there a commission to officially designate acronyms, YFI. (Note, not FYI)

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick is blowing a fuse :
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>>>>riots?
>>>>
>>>>That excuses them??
>>>
>>>No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
>>>riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
>>>Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...
>>
>>
>> I don't lay it to a failure of France
>> (for all of its problems). People are responsible
>> for their own bad behavior. I won't use the cop out of blaming society,
>> for rioting, whether it is here, or France.
>
> LOL !!!
> Are you drunk or are you really so stupid. Cna you explain such absurdity
> to answer simple and clear statement ?

Ok, then it IS France's fault.

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>
>>> BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>> riots?
>>
>>That excuses them??
>
> No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
> riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
> Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...

Why not compare our revolutionary war to theirs Dave?
I'm sure you can find relevance in irrelevance.

It isn't Armaggeddon for the French, just their country.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:19:27 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
>> and you can't recognize that the economic success of the US over the past
>>decade has done much to prevent another Watts.
>
> Except for New Orleans of course...

Hurricanes and riots all have the same basic motive to Dave.
>
>>Obviously French culture & economy has failed its new minority.
>
> You mean as the US "failed" its citizens in the 60s and the 70s and in
> the new millenium?

Social programs and natural disaster equated.
The Weil mind is a terrible thing to waste...oops, too late.
>
> Chicago...LA...Kent State.

Now theres a broad brush lumping the yuppies of Kent State with Watts.


>..Memphis...Philadelphia...New
> Orleans...Miami...Birmingham...Selma...

Will your aimless meandering ever come to conclusion?

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>>
>>>So if Scott has already forgotten New Orleans I sincerely doubt that he
>>>can recall LA 1992 spring... :-(
>>
>>
>> and you can't recognize that the economic success of the US over the
>> past
>> decade has done much to prevent another Watts.
>
> So what about the riot, pillage, rapes in New Orleans recently.
> All this *misery* usually carefully hidden which was suddenly exposed to
> the world.

I know you struggle to comfort yourself in the knowledge that you aren't
the
most pathetic creature on the planet.. but equating a natural disaster with
your
failed society is quite absurd.

> It's the first time I saw that. Even in the poorest countries usually
> after a natural disaster solidarity is the first natural reaction.

Guess you missed the looting in Mexico after their recent hurricane
.. How about in Iraq during the war?

>Not in USA : rather than to send help your gourvernment has been obliged to
>send the army. The most powerful democratic country of the world !!!!
>
> If it's the only evidence of your economical and social success I prefer
> my petty French problems and take care of our adolescent arsonists. :-(

Too bad for you the hysteria fostered by your beloved media was ultimately
found
to be false.

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:46:49 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:19:27 -0800, "ScottW" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> and you can't recognize that the economic success of the US over the past
>>>decade has done much to prevent another Watts.
>>
>> Except for New Orleans of course...
>
> Hurricanes and riots all have the same basic motive to Dave.

Hurricanes have no motives.

However, you have a city that's by all meaures pretty poor having
major parts of its environs uninhabitable and thrown into chaos due to
economic inadaquacies. But you think it's "their fault" for being
poor.

>>>Obviously French culture & economy has failed its new minority.
>>
>> You mean as the US "failed" its citizens in the 60s and the 70s and in
>> the new millenium?
>
> Social programs and natural disaster equated.

Natural disaster ripping open class problems in the USofA you mean.

> The Weil mind is a terrible thing to waste...oops, too late.
>>
>> Chicago...LA...Kent State.
>
> Now theres a broad brush lumping the yuppies of Kent State with Watts.

There was no such thing as yuppies during the time of Kent State. In
fact, by definition, college students have never really been yuppies.

>>..Memphis...Philadelphia...New
>> Orleans...Miami...Birmingham...Selma...
>
>Will your aimless meandering ever come to conclusion?

Only you would find those riots "meandering" and "aimless". sitting in
your picket fence perch, it's understandable, I guess.

Time to throw another lobster on the grill.

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde Slick is blowing a fuse :
>>
>>
>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>>>>>riots?
>>>>>
>>>>>That excuses them??
>>>>
>>>>No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
>>>>riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
>>>>Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't lay it to a failure of France
>>>(for all of its problems). People are responsible
>>>for their own bad behavior. I won't use the cop out of blaming society,
>>>for rioting, whether it is here, or France.
>>
>>LOL !!!
>>Are you drunk or are you really so stupid. Cna you explain such absurdity
>>to answer simple and clear statement ?
>
>
> Ok, then it IS France's fault.

You are a môron. :-)

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :

> There was not rioots

Obviously.

>>All this *misery* usually carefully hidden which was suddenly exposed to
>>the world.

You have missed this part... :-(

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:46:49 -0800, "ScottW" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:19:27 -0800, "ScottW" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> and you can't recognize that the economic success of the US over the
>>>> past
>>>>decade has done much to prevent another Watts.
>>>
>>> Except for New Orleans of course...
>>
>> Hurricanes and riots all have the same basic motive to Dave.
>
> Hurricanes have no motives.
>
> However, you have a city that's by all meaures pretty poor having
> major parts of its environs uninhabitable and thrown into chaos due to
> economic inadaquacies. But you think it's "their fault" for being
> poor.

Whose fault is it Dave? Won't it be your fault for living on a fixed
SS income when you retire?

Would you be making this extremely convoluted argument if there
hadn't been a hurricane?

>
>>>>Obviously French culture & economy has failed its new minority.
>>>
>>> You mean as the US "failed" its citizens in the 60s and the 70s and in
>>> the new millenium?
>>
>> Social programs and natural disaster equated.
>
> Natural disaster ripping open class problems in the USofA you mean.

What is the "class problem" Dave?

ScottW

[ScottW]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Clyde Slick is blowing a fuse :
>>>
>>>
>>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>>>>>>riots?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That excuses them??
>>>>>
>>>>>No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
>>>>>riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
>>>>>Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't lay it to a failure of France
>>>>(for all of its problems). People are responsible
>>>>for their own bad behavior. I won't use the cop out of blaming society,
>>>>for rioting, whether it is here, or France.
>>>
>>>LOL !!!
>>>Are you drunk or are you really so stupid. Cna you explain such absurdity
>>>to answer simple and clear statement ?
>>
>>
>> Ok, then it IS France's fault.
>
> You are a môron. :-)

I thought he was an idiot... or was that me?

Poor Lionel has been reduced to two words.

Meanwhile the French version of the Watts riot has spread across the
country.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051106/news_7n6france.html

ScottW

ScottW

[dave weil]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:18:26 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:46:49 -0800, "ScottW" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:19:27 -0800, "ScottW" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and you can't recognize that the economic success of the US over the
>>>>> past
>>>>>decade has done much to prevent another Watts.
>>>>
>>>> Except for New Orleans of course...
>>>
>>> Hurricanes and riots all have the same basic motive to Dave.
>>
>> Hurricanes have no motives.
>>
>> However, you have a city that's by all meaures pretty poor having
>> major parts of its environs uninhabitable and thrown into chaos due to
>> economic inadaquacies. But you think it's "their fault" for being
>> poor.
>
> Whose fault is it Dave? Won't it be your fault for living on a fixed
>SS income when you retire?

If it's entirely within my control, yes. If I'm third generation poor,
then less so. Sure, some extraordinary individuals manage to rise out
of the morass, but not everyone is extraordinary, and luck and
providence is sometimes involved as well.

> Would you be making this extremely convoluted argument if there
>hadn't been a hurricane?

I make comments like that regarding the state of our society
regardless of the hurricane, yes. I've said as much in this forum, I
think. The subject was health insurance, that I think is something
that is one of the basic "safety net" features that the government
should ensure, and that many other enlightened societies offer.

>>>>>Obviously French culture & economy has failed its new minority.
>>>>
>>>> You mean as the US "failed" its citizens in the 60s and the 70s and in
>>>> the new millenium?
>>>
>>> Social programs and natural disaster equated.
>>
>> Natural disaster ripping open class problems in the USofA you mean.
>
> What is the "class problem" Dave?

The class problem is pretty clear to anyone who looks at the New
Orleans situation with an unjaundaced eye. About 80% of the population
was able to get out. That 80% was predominately middle-class (even
lower middle class) and above who actually had a car available. Most
of those left behind were those who *didn't* have cars, or the
"luxury" to evacuate because they weren't sure if they could afford to
take time off of work during a "crap shoot" evacuation. While you can
take the bus or walk to get to work, you couldn't necessarily take a
bus or walk to evacuation.

You are SO out of touch in your little suburbian utopia, that you
really don't have a clue. Perhaps the problems of the poor will never
touch you, but you better hope that it remains that way. Hopefully,
the only thing you will have to worry about is how much of your
"pocket change" it takes to fill up the tank of your SUV, or the price
of lobster and charcoal/butane. Hopefully you won't HAVE to look back
on your referenced French revolution. You'd better hope that the
tipping point is far away, although the events of the past few months
shows that a well-timed "natural disaster", as you so coyly put it,
can move the tipping point that much closer. Remember, you live near a
fault line. What happens when Compton is ripped by a major earthquake
and the government is slow to react?

No, I'm not calling for revolution, just some self-interest-driven
compassion and common sense, as well as a commitment from the
government to offer help to those most disenfranchised and
disadvantaged. I just happen to think that it's part of the
government's "birthright" to protect its mother, i.e. the people.

I know that you disagree.

[dave weil]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:22:34 -0800, "ScottW" >
wrote:

>Meanwhile the French version of the Watts riot has spread across the
>country.
>
>http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051106/news_7n6france.html

Remember the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King? Remember what happened?

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...


>>
>> What is the "class problem" Dave?
>
> The class problem is pretty clear to anyone who looks at the New
> Orleans situation with an unjaundaced eye. About 80% of the population
> was able to get out. That 80% was predominately middle-class (even
> lower middle class) and above who actually had a car available. Most
> of those left behind were those who *didn't* have cars, or the
> "luxury" to evacuate because they weren't sure if they could afford to
> take time off of work during a "crap shoot" evacuation. While you can
> take the bus or walk to get to work, you couldn't necessarily take a
> bus or walk to evacuation.

They had to decide whether they could afford to take time
off work, to save their lives? Also, if its that bad that there is a
mandatory evacuation, it is most assured that the would be no
jobs to come back to. Their employers and the employers customers would be
gone, also.

Yeah, poor people were stuck because they couldn't afford cars. Let's
dive full balst into Socialism, and have the government provide them with
cars and gasoline, in addition to subsidized rent, food stamps, welfare,
and medicaid. What they really need is opportunity, something they are
deprived of
because of lousy schoold run by an ultra liberal educational establishment,
drugs, and bad or absent parenting. Despite that, a few sturdy souls do
make it, while most don't. But, it can be done.

>
> You are SO out of touch in your little suburbian utopia, that you
> really don't have a clue. Perhaps the problems of the poor will never
> touch you, but you better hope that it remains that way. Hopefully,
> the only thing you will have to worry about is how much of your
> "pocket change" it takes to fill up the tank of your SUV, or the price
> of lobster and charcoal/butane. Hopefully you won't HAVE to look back
> on your referenced French revolution. You'd better hope that the
> tipping point is far away, although the events of the past few months
> shows that a well-timed "natural disaster", as you so coyly put it,
> can move the tipping point that much closer. Remember, you live near a
> fault line. What happens when Compton is ripped by a major earthquake
> and the government is slow to react?

Bleeding heart compassion and empathy will do nothing to
alleviate poverty. Opportunity, and the will of those who are
disadvantaged to grasp those opportunities, will rescue those
who have a clue. The addicts, dope dealers, criminals, and
those buried in the morass of despondency are doomed to remain, no matter
waht the rest of society tries to do
for them.

By opportunity, I mean school vouchers, economic development,
home ownership programs, subsidized higher education, and help for
samll start up businesses.

>
> No, I'm not calling for revolution, just some self-interest-driven
> compassion and common sense, as well as a commitment from the
> government to offer help to those most disenfranchised and
> disadvantaged. I just happen to think that it's part of the
> government's "birthright" to protect its mother, i.e. the people.
>

Too often, liberal compassion and common sense are mutually exclusive.
Help is opportunity. Government assistance towards maintaining the staus quo
is the work of the devil.

> I know that you disagree.
>

I do.

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>
> Remember the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King? Remember what happened?

The most horrible things. We got Jesse Jackson.

[Lionel]

ScottW a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Clyde Slick is blowing a fuse :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:49:08 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW, how many people have been killed in France during these current
>>>>>>>>riots?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That excuses them??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No. I comparing the almost 30 people killed in the week-long Watts
>>>>>>riots to the current riots. Since ScottW seemed to think that this is
>>>>>>Armaggeddon for the French, I was just comparing the two situations...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't lay it to a failure of France
>>>>>(for all of its problems). People are responsible
>>>>>for their own bad behavior. I won't use the cop out of blaming society,
>>>>>for rioting, whether it is here, or France.
>>>>
>>>>LOL !!!
>>>>Are you drunk or are you really so stupid. Cna you explain such absurdity
>>>>to answer simple and clear statement ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, then it IS France's fault.
>>
>>You are a môron. :-)
>
>
> I thought he was an idiot... or was that me?
>
> Poor Lionel has been reduced to two words.
>
> Meanwhile the French version of the Watts riot has spread across the
> country.
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051106/news_7n6france.html

Thankfully less murders and pillage...

> ScottW
>
> ScottW

Poor Scott has been reduced to sign two times. :-)

[ScottW]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>>>But you think it's "their fault" for being
>>> poor.
>>
>> Whose fault is it Dave? Won't it be your fault for living on a fixed
>>SS income when you retire?
>
> If it's entirely within my control, yes. If I'm third generation poor,
> then less so.
> Sure, some extraordinary individuals manage to rise out
> of the morass, but not everyone is extraordinary, and luck and
> providence is sometimes involved as well.

Luck like not getting pregnant and graduating HS.

>
>> Would you be making this extremely convoluted argument if there
>>hadn't been a hurricane?
>
> I make comments like that regarding the state of our society
> regardless of the hurricane, yes. I've said as much in this forum, I
> think. The subject was health insurance, that I think is something
> that is one of the basic "safety net" features that the government
> should ensure, and that many other enlightened societies offer.

Enlightened thinking... lets make the rich pay for it.
You're already a bit short and you want the gov to give you more?

>
>>>>>>Obviously French culture & economy has failed its new minority.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean as the US "failed" its citizens in the 60s and the 70s and in
>>>>> the new millenium?
>>>>
>>>> Social programs and natural disaster equated.
>>>
>>> Natural disaster ripping open class problems in the USofA you mean.
>>
>> What is the "class problem" Dave?
>
> The class problem is pretty clear to anyone who looks at the New
> Orleans situation with an unjaundaced eye. About 80% of the population
> was able to get out. That 80% was predominately middle-class (even
> lower middle class) and above who actually had a car available. Most
> of those left behind were those who *didn't* have cars, or the
> "luxury" to evacuate because they weren't sure if they could afford to
> take time off of work during a "crap shoot" evacuation.

If it was a crap shoot for them... why wasn't it a crap shoot for the gov?

> While you can
> take the bus or walk to get to work, you couldn't necessarily take a
> bus or walk to evacuation.
>
> You are SO out of touch in your little suburbian utopia, that you
> really don't have a clue. Perhaps the problems of the poor will never
> touch you,

You're right. Pretty funny that being self sufficient is now a negative
to you social saviors.

> but you better hope that it remains that way. Hopefully,
> the only thing you will have to worry about is how much of your
> "pocket change" it takes to fill up the tank of your SUV, or the price
> of lobster and charcoal/butane. Hopefully you won't HAVE to look back
> on your referenced French revolution. You'd better hope that the
> tipping point is far away,

What makes me any different than you in this regard?

> although the events of the past few months
> shows that a well-timed "natural disaster", as you so coyly put it,
> can move the tipping point that much closer. Remember, you live near a
> fault line. What happens when Compton is ripped by a major earthquake
> and the government is slow to react?
>
> No, I'm not calling for revolution, just some self-interest-driven
> compassion and common sense, as well as a commitment from the
> government to offer help to those most disenfranchised and
> disadvantaged. I just happen to think that it's part of the
> government's "birthright" to protect its mother, i.e. the people.
>
> I know that you disagree.

I don't disagree that we make government to protect us.
All of us. I also don't disagree that government did a
bad job in New Orleans. But that was the local gov
and the fault of New Orleans and La more than anyone
else. Your class argument just fails. People who don't accept
a certain amount of responsibility are going to suffer when disaster
strikes. Look at Florida and all the people who were warned
to have 3 days of supplies and they're lining up for relief on day
1 after the hurricane. Should the gov be responsible for the
welfare of people who do nothing to prepare themselves?

ScottW

[Lionel]

In >, Signal wrote :

> "Lionel" emitted :
>
>>> Right-wing French MP Philippe de Villiers told RTL radio that the
>>> problem stemmed from the "failure of a policy of massive and
>>> uncontrolled immigration".
>>
>>LOL, I was sure that this one will please you.
>>Presumptuous and dumb, just like you. ;-)
>
> ScottW idol..;-)
> http://www.iomorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ATT68415.jpg

LOL, I bet that the have shared the same cage.