What is meant by 'timing'

[Roger Thorpe]

About the only hardware reviews I read are those in the back pages of a
music magazine that used to be reliable (a decade ago) but has now been
taken over by the gullible rehashers of press releases.
What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
excellent 'timing'
--
Roger
My email address is spamtrapped. You can work it out!

[[email protected]]

Roger Thorpe wrote:
> About the only hardware reviews I read are those in the back pages of a
> music magazine that used to be reliable (a decade ago) but has now been
> taken over by the gullible rehashers of press releases.
> What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
> radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
> excellent 'timing'

Means nothing. But it's just the sort of unverifiable, untestable
nonsense that some audio writers indulge in.

I'm in the US and we have the same sort of nonsense in the high-end
audio press here also. I've also seen it in the UK audio press. I've
also seen reviews of audio components where their "rhythm" is
discussed. In my world, any "rhythm" or "timing" is in the recorded
music I'm listening to, not in the audio components.

My advice: Ignore nonsense like this.

> Roger
> My email address is spamtrapped. You can work it out!

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message
ups.com
> Roger Thorpe wrote:
>> About the only hardware reviews I read are those in the
>> back pages of a music magazine that used to be reliable
>> (a decade ago) but has now been taken over by the
>> gullible rehashers of press releases.
>> What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky
>> Thumpolux transistor radio, now available at 'only' 180
>> euros with real wood veneer, has excellent 'timing'
>
> Means nothing. But it's just the sort of unverifiable,
> untestable nonsense that some audio writers indulge in.
>
> I'm in the US and we have the same sort of nonsense in
> the high-end audio press here also. I've also seen it in
> the UK audio press. I've also seen reviews of audio
> components where their "rhythm" is discussed. In my
> world, any "rhythm" or "timing" is in the recorded music
> I'm listening to, not in the audio components.
>
> My advice: Ignore nonsense like this.

Agreed. When you hear about stuff like pace and timing, know
that the speaker of those words (if he's seriouis) is
putting on airs.

[George Middius]

The Krooborg's klass envy implant is acting up again.

>Agreed.

Feces.

>When you hear about stuff like pace and timing, know
>that the speaker of those words (if he's seriouis[sic]) is
>putting on airs.

Translated from the Kroopaganda, Arnii doesn't get the high end. That's OK,
though, because high end merchandise is not aimed at the likes of Arnii Krooger.
It's marketed to Normals of sufficiently high station in life who are able to
appreciate it.

No fine dining for 'borgs. No high-performance automobiles either. 'Borgs live
in society's cellar. Krooger's krackpot rationalizations for the supposed
"inferiority" of all the best goods are simply the stuff of class envy.


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[Margaret von B.]

"George Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> No fine dining for 'borgs. No high-performance automobiles either.

Now now, George. It is not just another Ford minivan, it *is* a Mercury. :-)

Cheers,

Margaret

[Roger Thorpe]

George Middius wrote:

> The Krooborg's klass envy implant is acting up again.
>
>
>>Agreed.
>
>
> Feces.
>
>
>>When you hear about stuff like pace and timing, know
>>that the speaker of those words (if he's seriouis[sic]) is
>>putting on airs.
>
>
> Translated from the Kroopaganda, Arnii doesn't get the high end. That's OK,
> though, because high end merchandise is not aimed at the likes of Arnii Krooger.
> It's marketed to Normals of sufficiently high station in life who are able to
> appreciate it.
>
> No fine dining for 'borgs. No high-performance automobiles either. 'Borgs live
> in society's cellar. Krooger's krackpot rationalizations for the supposed
> "inferiority" of all the best goods are simply the stuff of class envy.
>
How useful is this reply supposed to be?
--
Roger

My email address is spamtrapped. You can work it out!

[George Middius]

Roger Thorpe said:

>> Translated from the Kroopaganda, Arnii doesn't get the high end. That's OK,
>> though, because high end merchandise is not aimed at the likes of Arnii
>> Krooger. It's marketed to Normals of sufficiently high station in life who
>> are able to appreciate it.

>> No fine dining for 'borgs. No high-performance automobiles either. 'Borgs
>>live in society's cellar. Krooger's krackpot rationalizations for the supposed
>> "inferiority" of all the best goods are simply the stuff of class envy.

>How useful is this reply supposed to be?

I can see I'm casting pearls before swine. Can you oink in an up tempo?

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[Roger Thorpe]

George Middius wrote:


> I can see I'm casting pearls before swine. Can you oink in an up tempo?
>
Ok, I'll just let that insult pass, tell me though what do you really
understand by that term when used in HIFI reviews? I ask because I
wonder if it has some agreed interpretation, I can understand how
'presence' means a little mid-frequency emphasis, 'warmth' probably
means a little low-mid emphasis, but I am often confronted by the words
'slam' 'speed and 'timing' and before I write my letter to the editor
(it's Gramophone that I'm talking about by the way) I thought I ought to
find out.

--
Roger

My email address is spamtrapped. You can work it out!

[George Middius]

Roger Thorpe said:

>> I can see I'm casting pearls before swine. Can you oink in an up tempo?

>Ok, I'll just let that insult pass,

I detect the aroma of 'borg. Are you metronic?

>tell me though what do you really
>understand by that term when used in HIFI reviews?

If the reviewer says the "pace" is "good", I understand he likes the device. If
he says the "timing" is "bad", I understand he doesn't like it.

>I ask because I
>wonder if it has some agreed interpretation, I can understand how
>'presence' means a little mid-frequency emphasis, 'warmth' probably
>means a little low-mid emphasis, but I am often confronted by the words
>'slam' 'speed and 'timing' and before I write my letter to the editor
>(it's Gramophone that I'm talking about by the way) I thought I ought to
>find out.

Furthermore, I understand that dyed-in-the-wool nerds do not take to subjective
evaluations because those evaluations are based on feelings rather than dry M&M
rituals.

If the words in question don't evoke recognizable impressions for you, you could
just disregard them. That's what I do. However, I am not hung up on finding some
mythical "absolute accuracy" in ***subjective*** reviews, whereas you might be
so hung up.

Subjective reviews are not for everybody. You might be closer kin to the Bug
Eater than to Normals. If so, you would believe that you can determine exactly
how a component will sound in your system either by examining the published
specifications or running a bunch of "tests" with probes and meters.



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[Howard Ferstler]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> When you hear about stuff like pace and timing, know
> that the speaker of those words (if he's seriouis) is
> putting on airs.

Or selling stuff, or simply dumb.

Howard Ferstler

[dave weil]

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:41:57 -0500, Howard Ferstler
> wrote:

>Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> When you hear about stuff like pace and timing, know
>> that the speaker of those words (if he's seriouis) is
>> putting on airs.
>
>Or selling stuff, or simply dumb.

Boy, that was a speedy return after a "good by", Mr. Professional
Writer.

BTW, how's YOUR sphincter these days? Still tight as a tick?

[Roger Thorpe]

George Middius wrote:

>
> Furthermore, I understand that dyed-in-the-wool nerds do not take to subjective
> evaluations because those evaluations are based on feelings rather than dry M&M
> rituals.
>
> If the words in question don't evoke recognizable impressions for you, you could
> just disregard them. That's what I do. However, I am not hung up on finding some
> mythical "absolute accuracy" in ***subjective*** reviews, whereas you might be
> so hung up.
>
> Subjective reviews are not for everybody. You might be closer kin to the Bug
> Eater than to Normals. If so, you would believe that you can determine exactly
> how a component will sound in your system either by examining the published
> specifications or running a bunch of "tests" with probes and meters.
>

You're right, I suppose that I do belong in the nerd group, I think that
what has irritated me is that the reviewers and audio editor changed a
few years ago and the technical description of the equipment has been
replaced by this "subjective" approach. I don't really want to be drawn
into the flame war that seems to blight this forum, but I would like
some of the reviewers to justify their observations and have at least
undergraduate level understanding of electronics and mechanics. I am
enough of a scientist to know that my own opinions on the sound of a
piece of audio equipment can be prejudiced by how big and shiny it is,
how much I paid for it and how good looking the company rep was.


--
Roger

My email address is spamtrapped. You can work it out!

[Ruud Broens]

"Roger Thorpe" > wrote in message
...

I am
: enough of a scientist to know that my own opinions on the sound of a
: piece of audio equipment can be prejudiced by how big and shiny it is,
: how much I paid for it and how good looking the company rep was.
:
:
: --
: Roger

heh, you buy your gear at "the audio twins", too ?
:-)
Rudy
and out

[John Atkinson]

Roger Thorpe wrote:
> What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
> radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
> excellent 'timing'

Martin Colloms wrote about this phenomenon for Stereophile in 1992.
See http://www.stereophile.com/reference/23/.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Robert Morein]

"Roger Thorpe" > wrote in message
...
> About the only hardware reviews I read are those in the back pages of a
> music magazine that used to be reliable (a decade ago) but has now been
> taken over by the gullible rehashers of press releases.
> What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
> radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
> excellent 'timing'
> --
> Roger
> My email address is spamtrapped. You can work it out!

It is a subjective term. While from the technical pov it has no merit, it is
a good way for a subjectively sensitive listener to communicate to another
person with a shared vocabulary. I would interpret this to mean that the
bass appears to resemble that of the actual recording, rather than having
points of emphasis that are distinguishable as independent features.
Antonyms of "excellent timing" include "bloated", "slow", "boomy", or
"hollow".

Suppose this term did not exist, and instead, the magazine presented
technical measurements. This would present the subjective aesthete with the
need to translate the graph into what he might expect to hear. Many or most
people are not equipped, either by training or inclination, to do this.

Even though the term has no valid direct technical interpretation, it is
still a highly valuable shorthand for communicating to others with a shared
vocabulary. The term also has the merit of self-definition. The meaing can
be inferred ithout the need to resort to a reference text.

[[email protected]]

Does Atkinson promise not to fart while you are kissing his sleazy ass?

Robert Morein wrote:
> "Roger Thorpe" > wrote in message
> ...
> > About the only hardware reviews I read are those in the back pages of a
> > music magazine that used to be reliable (a decade ago) but has now been
> > taken over by the gullible rehashers of press releases.
> > What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
> > radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
> > excellent 'timing'
> > --
> > Roger
> > My email address is spamtrapped. You can work it out!
>
> It is a subjective term. While from the technical pov it has no merit, it is
> a good way for a subjectively sensitive listener to communicate to another
> person with a shared vocabulary. I would interpret this to mean that the
> bass appears to resemble that of the actual recording, rather than having
> points of emphasis that are distinguishable as independent features.
> Antonyms of "excellent timing" include "bloated", "slow", "boomy", or
> "hollow".
>
> Suppose this term did not exist, and instead, the magazine presented
> technical measurements. This would present the subjective aesthete with the
> need to translate the graph into what he might expect to hear. Many or most
> people are not equipped, either by training or inclination, to do this.
>
> Even though the term has no valid direct technical interpretation, it is
> still a highly valuable shorthand for communicating to others with a shared
> vocabulary. The term also has the merit of self-definition. The meaing can
> be inferred ithout the need to resort to a reference text.

[[email protected]]

Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
****.

John Atkinson wrote:
> Roger Thorpe wrote:
> > What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
> > radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
> > excellent 'timing'
>
> Martin Colloms wrote about this phenomenon for Stereophile in 1992.
> See http://www.stereophile.com/reference/23/.
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile

[George M. Middius]

Thing Shelleyed:

> Does Atkinson promise not to fart while you are kissing his sleazy ass?

<sniff sniff sniff>

I think surf was right.

[Robert Morein]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Thing Shelleyed:
>
>> Does Atkinson promise not to fart while you are kissing his sleazy ass?
>
> <sniff sniff sniff>
>
> I think surf was right.
>
What is surf's position regarding McCarty sockpuppets?

[Robert Morein]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
> ****.
>
> John Atkinson wrote:
>> Roger Thorpe wrote:
>> > What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
>> > radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
>> > excellent 'timing'
>>
>> Martin Colloms wrote about this phenomenon for Stereophile in 1992.
>> See http://www.stereophile.com/reference/23/.
>>
>> John Atkinson
>> Editor, Stereophile
>
John, you've just been dissed by Brian L. McCarty.

[[email protected]]

George M. Middius wrote:
> Thing Shelleyed:
>
> > Does Atkinson promise not to fart while you are kissing his sleazy ass?
>
> <sniff sniff sniff>
>

lol!

[[email protected]]

Robert Morein wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
> > ****.
> >
> > John Atkinson wrote:
> >> Roger Thorpe wrote:
> >> > What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
> >> > radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
> >> > excellent 'timing'
> >>
> >> Martin Colloms wrote about this phenomenon for Stereophile in 1992.
> >> See http://www.stereophile.com/reference/23/.
> >>
> >> John Atkinson
> >> Editor, Stereophile
> >
> John, you've just been dissed by Brian L. McCarty.

And had your ass kissed by Margaret von B

[dizzy]

On 3 Nov 2005 12:01:53 -0800, George Middius
> wrote:

>If the reviewer says the "pace" is "good", I understand he likes the device. If
>he says the "timing" is "bad", I understand he doesn't like it.

LOL

[Clyde Slick]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
> ****.
>

And you can honor us by bottom posting.

[[email protected]]

Robert Morein wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
> in message ...
> >
> >
> > Thing Shelleyed:
> >
> >> Does Atkinson promise not to fart while you are kissing his sleazy ass?
> >
> > <sniff sniff sniff>
> >
> > I think surf was right.
> >
> What is surf's position regarding McCarty sockpuppets?


Doggy style

"George Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
> The Krooborg's klass envy implant is acting up again.
>
>>Agreed.
>
> Feces.
>
>>When you hear about stuff like pace and timing, know
>>that the speaker of those words (if he's seriouis[sic]) is
>>putting on airs.
>
> Translated from the Kroopaganda, Arnii doesn't get the high end.

Tranlated from Midiotese, anybody who understands that bull**** is bull****
when talking about audio, should be mocked because they obviously know too
much.


That's OK,
> though, because high end merchandise is not aimed at the likes of Arnii
> Krooger.

Smart people?

> It's marketed to Normals of sufficiently high station in life who are able
> to
> appreciate it.
>
Stupid people with money?

> No fine dining for 'borgs.
No high-performance automobiles either. 'Borgs live
> in society's cellar. Krooger's krackpot rationalizations for the supposed
> "inferiority" of all the best goods are simply the stuff of class envy.
>
>
In other words if you know that highend audio is about snake oil, bull****
and lies, then you obviously can't be in our club of snobby, tight assed
foolish **** heads.

It's important to allow yourself to be so devoid of reason that you will
accept any kind of crap the sales droids try to spoon feed you.

The problem of course is that there are plenty of people with astoundingly
good hi fi systems, that do know better than to fall into the trap of the
high end it's itmust be expenisve to be good club.


> .
> .
>

[[email protected]]

Or by ****ting on your face.

Clyde Slick wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
> > ****.
> >
>
> And you can honor us by bottom posting.

[George M. Middius]

Poor Mickey. I'm feeling a little regret over the way I keep kicking you.

> > That's OK, though, because high end merchandise is not aimed at the likes
> > of Arnii Krooger.

> Smart people?

I don't know what you're grunting and straining to get out, Mickey, but I
do feel compassion for your pain.

> > It's marketed to Normals of sufficiently high station in life who are able
> > to appreciate it.

> Stupid people with money?



I think all the Normals should take a breath here and reflect on whether
we've been overly mean to poor Mikey. As Morein has noted, poor Mikey is a
Special Person. Perhaps, instead of continually mocking and spanking him,
we should coddle him a little more. After all, he's obviously oblivious to
how Normals perceive him. He doesn't realize we're expending effort to
humor him; he believes we feel challenged by his inchoate mutterings.

Mickey, I am a little sorry for some of the meaner things I've said about
you. On some occasions, I went further than your nastiness warranted. I
realize you can't help being a basket case, and I should make a greater
effort to indulge you when you throw your tantrums and foam at the mouth.
Perhaps in the future, I'll be able to maintain a higher standard of
tolerance when you turn into Mr. Mikey-Hyde.

[Robert Morein]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
>> ****.
>>
>
> And you can honor us by bottom posting.
Clyde, it's Bwian.

[Clyde Slick]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>

>
> I think all the Normals should take a breath here and reflect on whether
> we've been overly mean to poor Mikey. As Morein has noted, poor Mikey is a
> Special Person. Perhaps, instead of continually mocking and spanking him,
> we should coddle him a little more. After all, he's obviously oblivious to
> how Normals perceive him. He doesn't realize we're expending effort to
> humor him; he believes we feel challenged by his inchoate mutterings.
>
> Mickey, I am a little sorry for some of the meaner things I've said about
> you. On some occasions, I went further than your nastiness warranted. I
> realize you can't help being a basket case, and I should make a greater
> effort to indulge you when you throw your tantrums and foam at the mouth.
> Perhaps in the future, I'll be able to maintain a higher standard of
> tolerance when you turn into Mr. Mikey-Hyde.
>

As a compassionate conservative, I will join in. As long as I don't
have to hear form Mikey about how road systems can be developed without
the underlying threat of eminent domain.

[Clyde Slick]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
>>> ****.
>>>
>>
>> And you can honor us by bottom posting.
> Clyde, it's Bwian.

or torresists.

Your choice.
A greasemonkey or an ice dream soda jerk.

[Robert Morein]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>> Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
>>>> ****.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you can honor us by bottom posting.
>> Clyde, it's Bwian.
>
> or torresists.
>
> Your choice.
> A greasemonkey or an ice dream soda jerk.
George reminded me, it's a pre-existing McCarty sockpuppet.
He dragged it out because he wishes he had a lawyer right now.

[Robert Morein]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>> Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
>>>> ****.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you can honor us by bottom posting.
>> Clyde, it's Bwian.
>
> or torresists.
>
> Your choice.
> A greasemonkey or an ice dream soda jerk.
Bwian's been dragging out all his bedraggled sockpuppets. Afew of us got
emails from "Michael Conzo", a really old one, so the resurrection of
"Welch" is just more digging into the pile of Bwian's decrepit toys.
The next one will probably be a kewpie doll.

[Robert Morein]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Poor Mickey. I'm feeling a little regret over the way I keep kicking you.
>
>> > That's OK, though, because high end merchandise is not aimed at the
>> > likes
>> > of Arnii Krooger.
>
>> Smart people?
>
> I don't know what you're grunting and straining to get out, Mickey, but I
> do feel compassion for your pain.
>
>> > It's marketed to Normals of sufficiently high station in life who are
>> > able
>> > to appreciate it.
>
>> Stupid people with money?
>
>
>
> I think all the Normals should take a breath here and reflect on whether
> we've been overly mean to poor Mikey. As Morein has noted, poor Mikey is a
> Special Person. Perhaps, instead of continually mocking and spanking him,
> we should coddle him a little more. After all, he's obviously oblivious to
> how Normals perceive him. He doesn't realize we're expending effort to
> humor him; he believes we feel challenged by his inchoate mutterings.
>
> Mickey, I am a little sorry for some of the meaner things I've said about
> you. On some occasions, I went further than your nastiness warranted. I
> realize you can't help being a basket case, and I should make a greater
> effort to indulge you when you throw your tantrums and foam at the mouth.
> Perhaps in the future, I'll be able to maintain a higher standard of
> tolerance when you turn into Mr. Mikey-Hyde.
>
I have a very strong image of how Mikey is in person. His face is rather
expressionless, and he talks in the unmodulated, obsessive way of a
borderline autistic. He bores everyone. His face is slack and unlined,
because he never uses it. Mikey could be that guy behind the cold cuts
counter, sawing away at the beef cuts from 9 to 5. His two most precise
tools are a carving knife, which he wipes clean on his apron from time to
time, and a Radio Shack sound level meter, which he scrapes clean with the
carving knife. His dull life explains why he considers it high society
excitement to be booted about like a pigskin on rao.

I suggest that when anyone of us puts it to Mikey in a particularly poignant
way, the appropriate sign of approbation should be "Goal!"

[Robert Morein]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:41:57 -0500, Howard Ferstler
> > wrote:
>
>>Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>> When you hear about stuff like pace and timing, know
>>> that the speaker of those words (if he's seriouis) is
>>> putting on airs.
>>
>>Or selling stuff, or simply dumb.
>
> Boy, that was a speedy return after a "good by", Mr. Professional
> Writer.
>
> BTW, how's YOUR sphincter these days? Still tight as a tick?
>
I doubt it. If it's anything like his mouth, it's constantly dribbling.

[Robert Morein]

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:55:19 -0500, "Robert Morein"
> wrote:

>
>"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com...
>>>>> Thank you so much for honoring this NG with your presence, you sleazy
>>>>> ****.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you can honor us by bottom posting.
>>> Clyde, it's Bwian.
>>
>> or torresists.
>>
>> Your choice.
>> A greasemonkey or an ice dream soda jerk.
>Bwian's been dragging out all his bedraggled sockpuppets. Afew of us got
>emails from "Michael Conzo", a really old one, so the resurrection of
>"Welch" is just more digging into the pile of Bwian's decrepit toys.
>The next one will probably be a kewpie doll.


The above posting is from a man who is certifiable.

He should be posting in alt.lunatics.conspiracy-theories

[surf]

why so angry dick?

why all the trouble of using an overseas IP address ?

how's the bike biz?

[Roger Thorpe]

John Atkinson wrote:
> Roger Thorpe wrote:
>
>>What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
>>radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
>>excellent 'timing'
>
>
> Martin Colloms wrote about this phenomenon for Stereophile in 1992.
> See http://www.stereophile.com/reference/23/.
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile
>
Thanks,
What he seems to be proposing as that technically accurate reproduction
can fail to give a sense of rhythm in music, while a less transparent
medium can convey more information. Is that it?
He doesn't propose any mechanism by which this might happen, though. I
suppose that is a reductionism /wholeist issue. Might it be that when
people talk about this they are thinking of 'beat' rather than rhythm,
which is conveyed by low frequencies, possibly below the useful range of
their loudspeakers? I suspect that a less 'true' system might introduce
harmonics allowing the 'beat' to be perceived. I suppose it's possible
that what we want is not accuracy, but rather some sort of enhanced
version of the original sound to allow us to perceive all the things
that are going on without the volume, frequency range and visual cues
available at a real performance.
Roger

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[paul packer]

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:18:02 +0000, Roger Thorpe
> wrote:

> I am enough of a scientist to know that my own opinions on the sound of a
>piece of audio equipment can be prejudiced by ...how good looking the company rep was.

Eh?

[Roger Thorpe]

paul packer wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:18:02 +0000, Roger Thorpe
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I am enough of a scientist to know that my own opinions on the sound of a
>>piece of audio equipment can be prejudiced by ...how good looking the company rep was.
>
>
> Eh?
A joke, not avery funny one I'm afraid.

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[paul packer]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:20:34 +0000, Roger Thorpe
> wrote:

>paul packer wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:18:02 +0000, Roger Thorpe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am enough of a scientist to know that my own opinions on the sound of a
>>>piece of audio equipment can be prejudiced by ...how good looking the company rep was.
>>
>>
>> Eh?
>A joke, not avery funny one I'm afraid.

Well no, there's probably a chuckle in there somewhere. :-)

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Poor Mickey. I'm feeling a little regret over the way I keep kicking you.
>
>> > That's OK, though, because high end merchandise is not aimed at the
>> > likes
>> > of Arnii Krooger.
>
>> Smart people?
>
> I don't know what you're grunting and straining to get out, Mickey, but I
> do feel compassion for your pain.
>
>> > It's marketed to Normals of sufficiently high station in life who are
>> > able
>> > to appreciate it.
>
>> Stupid people with money?
>
>
>
> I think all the Normals should take a breath here and reflect on whether
> we've been overly mean to poor Mikey. As Morein has noted, poor Mikey is a
> Special Person. Perhaps, instead of continually mocking and spanking him,
> we should coddle him a little more. After all, he's obviously oblivious to
> how Normals perceive him.

Like that keeps me up nights.


He doesn't realize we're expending effort to
> humor him; he believes we feel challenged by his inchoate mutterings.
>
Sometimes. Mostly I just figure you ignore anything that makes sense.

> Mickey, I am a little sorry for some of the meaner things I've said about
> you. On some occasions, I went further than your nastiness warranted.

You do that to anybody you disagree with.

I
> realize you can't help being a basket case, and I should make a greater
> effort to indulge you when you throw your tantrums and foam at the mouth.

Never happens.

> Perhaps in the future, I'll be able to maintain a higher standard of
> tolerance when you turn into Mr. Mikey-Hyde.
>
I wonder what it is you think you know, because it's almost a certainty that
you have it wrong.

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> wrote in message ...
>>
>
>>
>> I think all the Normals should take a breath here and reflect on whether
>> we've been overly mean to poor Mikey. As Morein has noted, poor Mikey is
>> a
>> Special Person. Perhaps, instead of continually mocking and spanking him,
>> we should coddle him a little more. After all, he's obviously oblivious
>> to
>> how Normals perceive him. He doesn't realize we're expending effort to
>> humor him; he believes we feel challenged by his inchoate mutterings.
>>
>> Mickey, I am a little sorry for some of the meaner things I've said about
>> you. On some occasions, I went further than your nastiness warranted. I
>> realize you can't help being a basket case, and I should make a greater
>> effort to indulge you when you throw your tantrums and foam at the mouth.
>> Perhaps in the future, I'll be able to maintain a higher standard of
>> tolerance when you turn into Mr. Mikey-Hyde.
>>
>
> As a compassionate conservative, I will join in. As long as I don't
> have to hear form Mikey about how road systems can be developed without
> the underlying threat of eminent domain.
Ooooh look another mistake.

[Robert Morein]

> wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net>
> wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> Poor Mickey. I'm feeling a little regret over the way I keep kicking you.
>>
>>> > That's OK, though, because high end merchandise is not aimed at the
>>> > likes
>>> > of Arnii Krooger.
>>
>>> Smart people?
>>
>> I don't know what you're grunting and straining to get out, Mickey, but I
>> do feel compassion for your pain.
>>
>>> > It's marketed to Normals of sufficiently high station in life who are
>>> > able
>>> > to appreciate it.
>>
>>> Stupid people with money?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think all the Normals should take a breath here and reflect on whether
>> we've been overly mean to poor Mikey. As Morein has noted, poor Mikey is
>> a
>> Special Person. Perhaps, instead of continually mocking and spanking him,
>> we should coddle him a little more. After all, he's obviously oblivious
>> to
>> how Normals perceive him.
>
> Like that keeps me up nights.
>
>
> He doesn't realize we're expending effort to
>> humor him; he believes we feel challenged by his inchoate mutterings.
>>
> Sometimes. Mostly I just figure you ignore anything that makes sense.
>
>> Mickey, I am a little sorry for some of the meaner things I've said about
>> you. On some occasions, I went further than your nastiness warranted.
>
> You do that to anybody you disagree with.
>
> I
>> realize you can't help being a basket case, and I should make a greater
>> effort to indulge you when you throw your tantrums and foam at the mouth.
>
> Never happens.
>
>> Perhaps in the future, I'll be able to maintain a higher standard of
>> tolerance when you turn into Mr. Mikey-Hyde.
>>
> I wonder what it is you think you know, because it's almost a certainty
> that you have it wrong.
Mikey, when you eat a cricket, do you pull the legs off first?

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John Atkinson wrote:
> Roger Thorpe wrote:
> > What do they mean when they say that Crasnovorsky Thumpolux transistor
> > radio, now available at 'only' 180 euros with real wood veneer, has
> > excellent 'timing'
>
> Martin Colloms wrote about this phenomenon for Stereophile in 1992.
> See http://www.stereophile.com/reference/23/.

Thanks for posting the above, although I disagree with the above. A
sample from the above:

"the vinyl LP disc possesses a powerful and effortlessly musical
content, with an easy, fundamental rhythmic stability and solidity.
Interestingly, this innate character"

So apparently just being a vinyl LP gives the recording all these
wonderful qualities.

"With analog, one can listen through the blemishes and be aware of a
strong musical message, one in which the music's flow, pace, and tempo"

That's assuming the turntable's motor is turning the LP at the correct
speed all the time.

> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile