Re: Stereophile still under Randi's radar

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Chevdo wrote:
> In article . com>,
> says...
> >What, though Randi hasn't actually invited me to take part in the
> >challenge, you feel I should rush forward anyway, saying that I
> >will accept a challenge to take part in a test auditioning products
> >I haven't heard? A test, BTW, organized by someone who has already
> >demonstrated his bad faith and antipathy toward me personally on his
> >website by misrepresenting what I have said and written, fabricating
> >quotes that were presented as being by me, confusing me with other
> >reviewers and editors, etc etc? Sure, why not?
>
> Mr. Randi requested that I post this reply to your lies about his
> challenge to you...

What lies? I was correct about his misrepresentations, and he admitted
making the mistakes to which I referred above on his website. And I
was correct that while he had issued the Million-dollar challenge to
a number of audio writers, he ahd not done so to me or to Stereophile.

> "If John Atkinson - or anyone at Stereophile Magazine - can show that
> the questioned goods they endorsed in the pages of Stereophile
> actually work as advertised, Mr. Atkinson, or any other person at
> Stereophile, or Stereophile Magazine itself, or ANY OTHER PERSON
> IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE - including those who offer the device(s) for
> sale - can and will win the million-dollar challenge as offered by
> the James Randi Educational Foundation at www.randi.org/research/index.html."

And he _has_ apparently done so, using you, "Chevdo," as his agent.
Well done. But please note that that fact that Randi _has_ now issued
the challenge to me can't be used retroactively to prove that I
was lying earlier about his not having done so. The arrow of time is
_so_ inconvenient when it flows only in one direction, eh.

> I predict that John Atkinson - and all of the inventors/vendors of the
> device(s) - will choose to ignore, as always, this attractive offer.
> This, because they know full well that the device(s) cannot and would
> not, pass simple, direct, definitive, tests...

I cannot speak for the vendors of the devices in question, but I most
certainly will turn down Mr. Randi's offer, "Chevdo." Randi has already
lied to me and publicly misrepresented what I am supposed to have said
or written, yet _now_ he wants me to _trust_ his integrity? Yeah,
right!
The guy is just an old carnie, looking for free publicity. In my
opinion.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

> wrote in message
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>
>
>> I predict that John Atkinson - and all of the inventors/vendors of the
>> device(s) - will choose to ignore, as always, this attractive offer.
>> This, because they know full well that the device(s) cannot and would
>> not, pass simple, direct, definitive, tests...
>
> I cannot speak for the vendors of the devices in question, but I most
> certainly will turn down Mr. Randi's offer, "Chevdo." Randi has already
> lied to me and publicly misrepresented what I am supposed to have said
> or written, yet _now_ he wants me to _trust_ his integrity? Yeah,
> right!
> The guy is just an old carnie, looking for free publicity. In my
> opinion.

Successfully too, I see. :-)

Norm

> wrote in message
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>
> Chevdo wrote:
>> In article . com>,
>> says...
>> >What, though Randi hasn't actually invited me to take part in the
>> >challenge, you feel I should rush forward anyway, saying that I
>> >will accept a challenge to take part in a test auditioning products
>> >I haven't heard? A test, BTW, organized by someone who has already
>> >demonstrated his bad faith and antipathy toward me personally on his
>> >website by misrepresenting what I have said and written, fabricating
>> >quotes that were presented as being by me, confusing me with other
>> >reviewers and editors, etc etc? Sure, why not?
>>
>> Mr. Randi requested that I post this reply to your lies about his
>> challenge to you...
>
> What lies? I was correct about his misrepresentations, and he admitted
> making the mistakes to which I referred above on his website. And I
> was correct that while he had issued the Million-dollar challenge to
> a number of audio writers, he ahd not done so to me or to Stereophile.
>
>> "If John Atkinson - or anyone at Stereophile Magazine - can show that
>> the questioned goods they endorsed in the pages of Stereophile
>> actually work as advertised, Mr. Atkinson, or any other person at
>> Stereophile, or Stereophile Magazine itself, or ANY OTHER PERSON
>> IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE - including those who offer the device(s) for
>> sale - can and will win the million-dollar challenge as offered by
>> the James Randi Educational Foundation at
>> www.randi.org/research/index.html."
>
> And he _has_ apparently done so, using you, "Chevdo," as his agent.
> Well done. But please note that that fact that Randi _has_ now issued
> the challenge to me can't be used retroactively to prove that I
> was lying earlier about his not having done so. The arrow of time is
> _so_ inconvenient when it flows only in one direction, eh.
>
>> I predict that John Atkinson - and all of the inventors/vendors of the
>> device(s) - will choose to ignore, as always, this attractive offer.
>> This, because they know full well that the device(s) cannot and would
>> not, pass simple, direct, definitive, tests...
>
> I cannot speak for the vendors of the devices in question, but I most
> certainly will turn down Mr. Randi's offer, "Chevdo." Randi has already
> lied to me and publicly misrepresented what I am supposed to have said
> or written, yet _now_ he wants me to _trust_ his integrity? Yeah,
> right!
> The guy is just an old carnie, looking for free publicity. In my
> opinion.
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile


I could use a million dollars about now. If I thought I could tell when a
Tice clock or a Shakti stone was in use, I would be contacting Randi and
doing my level best to set up the test. I would accept the challenge
publicly so that Randi couldn't back out without suffering significant loss
of face. I would certainly not be worrying about past lies by Randi; I
would not be trying to find excuses not to meet the challenge. Heavens no.
I'd be concentrating all my efforts on winning a million dollars.

If somebody's going to back out or have his bluff called, it's not going to
be me. I need the million!

Norm Strong

[MINe 109]

In article >,
> wrote:

> I could use a million dollars about now. If I thought I could tell when a
> Tice clock or a Shakti stone was in use, I would be contacting Randi and
> doing my level best to set up the test. I would accept the challenge
> publicly so that Randi couldn't back out without suffering significant loss
> of face. I would certainly not be worrying about past lies by Randi; I
> would not be trying to find excuses not to meet the challenge. Heavens no.
> I'd be concentrating all my efforts on winning a million dollars.
>
> If somebody's going to back out or have his bluff called, it's not going to
> be me. I need the million!

You'd have to "demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal
ability under satisfactory observing conditions" to get that million.

Hearing isn't any of those.

Stephen

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"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
>> I could use a million dollars about now. If I thought I could tell when
>> a
>> Tice clock or a Shakti stone was in use, I would be contacting Randi and
>> doing my level best to set up the test. I would accept the challenge
>> publicly so that Randi couldn't back out without suffering significant
>> loss
>> of face. I would certainly not be worrying about past lies by Randi; I
>> would not be trying to find excuses not to meet the challenge. Heavens
>> no.
>> I'd be concentrating all my efforts on winning a million dollars.
>>
>> If somebody's going to back out or have his bluff called, it's not going
>> to
>> be me. I need the million!
>
> You'd have to "demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal
> ability under satisfactory observing conditions" to get that million.
>
> Hearing isn't any of those.
>
It would have to be to hear effects from those devices.

[Clyde Slick]

> wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> Chevdo wrote:
>>> In article . com>,
>>> says...
>>> >What, though Randi hasn't actually invited me to take part in the
>>> >challenge, you feel I should rush forward anyway, saying that I
>>> >will accept a challenge to take part in a test auditioning products
>>> >I haven't heard? A test, BTW, organized by someone who has already
>>> >demonstrated his bad faith and antipathy toward me personally on his
>>> >website by misrepresenting what I have said and written, fabricating
>>> >quotes that were presented as being by me, confusing me with other
>>> >reviewers and editors, etc etc? Sure, why not?
>>>
>>> Mr. Randi requested that I post this reply to your lies about his
>>> challenge to you...
>>
>> What lies? I was correct about his misrepresentations, and he admitted
>> making the mistakes to which I referred above on his website. And I
>> was correct that while he had issued the Million-dollar challenge to
>> a number of audio writers, he ahd not done so to me or to Stereophile.
>>
>>> "If John Atkinson - or anyone at Stereophile Magazine - can show that
>>> the questioned goods they endorsed in the pages of Stereophile
>>> actually work as advertised, Mr. Atkinson, or any other person at
>>> Stereophile, or Stereophile Magazine itself, or ANY OTHER PERSON
>>> IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE - including those who offer the device(s) for
>>> sale - can and will win the million-dollar challenge as offered by
>>> the James Randi Educational Foundation at
>>> www.randi.org/research/index.html."
>>
>> And he _has_ apparently done so, using you, "Chevdo," as his agent.
>> Well done. But please note that that fact that Randi _has_ now issued
>> the challenge to me can't be used retroactively to prove that I
>> was lying earlier about his not having done so. The arrow of time is
>> _so_ inconvenient when it flows only in one direction, eh.
>>
>>> I predict that John Atkinson - and all of the inventors/vendors of the
>>> device(s) - will choose to ignore, as always, this attractive offer.
>>> This, because they know full well that the device(s) cannot and would
>>> not, pass simple, direct, definitive, tests...
>>
>> I cannot speak for the vendors of the devices in question, but I most
>> certainly will turn down Mr. Randi's offer, "Chevdo." Randi has already
>> lied to me and publicly misrepresented what I am supposed to have said
>> or written, yet _now_ he wants me to _trust_ his integrity? Yeah,
>> right!
>> The guy is just an old carnie, looking for free publicity. In my
>> opinion.
>>
>> John Atkinson
>> Editor, Stereophile
>
>
> I could use a million dollars about now. If I thought I could tell when a
> Tice clock or a Shakti stone was in use, I would be contacting Randi and
> doing my level best to set up the test. I would accept the challenge
> publicly so that Randi couldn't back out without suffering significant
> loss of face. I would certainly not be worrying about past lies by Randi;
> I would not be trying to find excuses not to meet the challenge. Heavens
> no. I'd be concentrating all my efforts on winning a million dollars.
>
> If somebody's going to back out or have his bluff called, it's not going
> to be me. I need the million!
>
>

EXACTLY who's million dollars is this?
Does the million really exist?
Sorry for being so 'skeptical'!

[Nathan Stohler]

Clyde Slick wrote:

>
> EXACTLY who's million dollars is this?
> Does the million really exist?
> Sorry for being so 'skeptical'!

The money belongs to the JREF (James Randi Educational Foundation):

http://randi.org/research/faq.html#3.1

[Clyde Slick]

"Nathan Stohler" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>
>>
>> EXACTLY who's million dollars is this?
>> Does the million really exist?
>> Sorry for being so 'skeptical'!
>
> The money belongs to the JREF (James Randi Educational Foundation):
>
> http://randi.org/research/faq.html#3.1
>

I wonder if the JREF trustees or directors have the authority to
pay this money.
What does all this have to do with the purpose of an educational foundation?

[Nathan Stohler]

Clyde Slick wrote:

> "Nathan Stohler" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> >
> > Clyde Slick wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> EXACTLY who's million dollars is this?
> >> Does the million really exist?
> >> Sorry for being so 'skeptical'!
> >
> > The money belongs to the JREF (James Randi Educational Foundation):
> >
> > http://randi.org/research/faq.html#3.1
> >
>
> I wonder if the JREF trustees or directors have the authority to
> pay this money.
> What does all this have to do with the purpose of an educational foundation?

The $1,000,000 prize is offered as a mean to raise public awareness for the
JREF's cause, which is to encourage critical thinking and demonstrate the
consequences of accepting supernatural claims without question.