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Jethro

October 14th 05, 04:29 AM

bob wald Wrote:
> to be #1!!!! lol.....givme givme givme........ hAHAhAHahhAHa
> [[[[Clarion
> EQ]]]]

Well mr. bob wald, if feel you have educated us enough, you should at
least go to another car audio forum to help out newbies... you could
probably teach the youngsters over at this forum a thing or two:
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October 14th 05, 04:44 AM

Bob would be an upgrade at CAF...

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Jethro wrote:

>
bob wald Wrote:
> to be #1!!!! lol.....givme givme givme........ hAHAhAHahhAHa
> [[[[Clarion
> > EQ]]]]
>
> Well mr. bob wald, if feel you have educated us enough, you should at
least go to another car audio forum to help out newbies... you could
probably teach the youngsters over at this forum a thing or two:
http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/forumdisplay.php?f=5

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Jethro

October 14th 05, 05:04 AM

MZ Wrote:
> Bob would be an upgrade at CAF...

Compared to some of the 16 year old 'I want to set off car alarms with
my subs' newbies that roams through there, yes; he may be an upgrade...
but that's about it...

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Scott Gardner

October 14th 05, 05:42 AM

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:29:28 +0000, Jethro
> wrote:

>
>bob wald Wrote:
>> to be #1!!!! lol.....givme givme givme........ hAHAhAHahhAHa
>> [[[[Clarion
>> EQ]]]]
>
>Well mr. bob wald, if feel you have educated us enough, you should at
>least go to another car audio forum to help out newbies... you could
>probably teach the youngsters over at this forum a thing or two:
>http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/forumdisplay.php?f=5

I thought CAF's "bulletin board" was just a portal to this newsgroup.
I know that we've had a couple CAFer's in here demanding that a
"moderator" kick someone off the "board" or kill a thread, until we
point out to them that this is a world-wide unmoderated Usenet
newsgroup, not their private sandbox.

Do they have a separate forum now that's just for CAF posters, or have
they removed the Usenet portal entirely?

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Tony F

October 14th 05, 07:40 AM

"Do they have a separate forum now that's just for CAF posters, or have they
removed the Usenet portal entirely?"

No...it's still there. Go to the home page and it's on the top under
"UseNet gateway".

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Jethro

October 14th 05, 03:11 PM

Scott Gardner Wrote:
> I thought CAF's "bulletin board" was just a portal to this newsgroup.
> I know that we've had a couple CAFer's in here demanding that a
> "moderator" kick someone off the "board" or kill a thread, until we
> point out to them that this is a world-wide unmoderated Usenet
> newsgroup, not their private sandbox.
>
> Do they have a separate forum now that's just for CAF posters, or have
> they removed the Usenet portal entirely?
>
>
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> "A conclusion is the place where you get tired of thinking." (Arthur
> Bloch)

CAF is how I get here. I do hang out there quite a bit... though
sometimes I wonder why. I really hate seeing the perpetuation of audio
myths, so I do my best to help out those misinformed newbies who pop
through there. There is currently a core group of contributors that are
fairly knowledgable, but they can be a bit abrasive sometimes. Some of
the regulars get a little hung up on have Kw's of power for daily
driving SQ systems... something I just don't get.

The administrator over at CAF had to put up a notice in one of the
forums about posting over here on rec.audio.car... it seems some of the
juvenile delinquents were straying over here, thinking it was another
CAF forum, and basically making an arse of themselves... now they hang
out in their own 'sandbox' called 'Waste of Time'.

Anyway, that's the lowdown on CAF.

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Chad Wahls

October 14th 05, 07:09 PM

Amen

"MZ" > wrote in message
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> Bob would be an upgrade at CAF...
>
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Jethro wrote:
>
>>
> bob wald Wrote:
>> to be #1!!!! lol.....givme givme givme........ hAHAhAHahhAHa
>> [[[[Clarion
>> > EQ]]]]
>>
>> Well mr. bob wald, if feel you have educated us enough, you should at
> least go to another car audio forum to help out newbies... you could
> probably teach the youngsters over at this forum a thing or two:
> http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/forumdisplay.php?f=5
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bob wald

October 15th 05, 02:35 AM

I come on here.give you great ideas to improve your stereos..all i get
is complaints....
That clarion eq will beat most of your $100+eqs ez.the 7v rca.will beat
yours i know.
I know 7band isnt great.but it might be enough to get by.like i told the
stores selling these eqs.id like a 9band if possible.
but i can get by with 7bands.
If you got a 15 band with regular rca output.no power with them.the
clarion is better......

October 15th 05, 03:32 AM

"bob wald" > wrote in message
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> I come on here.give you great ideas to improve your stereos..all i get
> is complaints....
> That clarion eq will beat most of your $100+eqs ez.the 7v rca.will beat
> yours i know.

My RCAs are over 10v. I win.

Scott Gardner

October 15th 05, 03:38 AM

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:32:41 -0400, "MZ"
> wrote:

>"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
>> I come on here.give you great ideas to improve your stereos..all i get
>> is complaints....
>> That clarion eq will beat most of your $100+eqs ez.the 7v rca.will beat
>> yours i know.
>
>My RCAs are over 10v. I win.
>
Never mind the fact that Bob still hasn't presented any evidence that
high-voltage preamp output provide any detectable advantages. His two
claims so far, that high preamp voltage puts less stress on the head
unit and will compensate for a weak battery, are laughable at best.
Quite simply, he's bought into the "more must be better" marketing
bull****, like a good little consumer sheep.

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bob wald

October 15th 05, 04:08 AM

10v..lol is too much 90% of amps cant handle it.

bob wald

October 15th 05, 04:11 AM

ive read at several places higher volts push your amp more.making it
perform better.Now why would a seller push a $75 eq over this $149 ones
if it isnt true????
doh.

October 15th 05, 04:25 AM

"bob wald" > wrote in message
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> 10v..lol is too much 90% of amps cant handle it.

Yeah, but it makes up for my car battery which is starting to crap out.

bbballrrt06

October 15th 05, 04:56 AM

Jethro Wrote:
> Compared to some of the 16 year old 'I want to set off car alarms with
> my subs' newbies that roams through there, yes; he may be an upgrade...
> but that's about it...

i take offense to that.. kind of. im 17 and believe the *ability* to
set off car alarms is cool.. does this put me in that category?

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Jethro

October 15th 05, 05:05 AM

bbballrrt06 Wrote:
> i take offense to that.. kind of. im 17 and believe the *ability* to
> set off car alarms is cool.. does this put me in that category?

Yes. It does. Eventually the need for attention goes away and you grow
out of that stage... then you start caring about accurately producing
music... either that or you start hitting SPL comps and winning
trophies instead of setting off car alarms.

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Chris Mullins

October 15th 05, 05:20 AM

yea i think it does....

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> Jethro Wrote:
>> Compared to some of the 16 year old 'I want to set off car alarms with
>> my subs' newbies that roams through there, yes; he may be an upgrade...
>> but that's about it...
>
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Kirby

October 15th 05, 07:24 AM

Even with 1 volt Pre-outs, your amp is still made to be pushed as far as it
can go.. Only difference is that with your 7 volt pre-outs, you'll distort
the amp faster.. therefor performing worse.. What bull**** support do you
have for your theories?

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> ive read at several places higher volts push your amp more.making it
> perform better.Now why would a seller push a $75 eq over this $149 ones
> if it isnt true????
> doh.
>

Kirby

October 15th 05, 07:29 AM

Ya know, I too am 17 years old, but I've never felt the need to set off car
alarms. Even with many opportunites to buy a "fart-cannon" which will also
set off alarms, I chose the more expensive route and bought an OEM exaust
for my car. As for my stereo, well I've been having my focus on upgrading my
speakers and mid-range amplifier.. So I dont think that this applies to
everyone..

"Jethro" > wrote in message
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> Yes. It does. Eventually the need for attention goes away and you grow
> out of that stage...

Jethro

October 15th 05, 08:05 AM

Kirby Wrote:
> Ya know, I too am 17 years old, but I've never felt the need to set off
> car
> alarms... So I dont think that this applies to
> everyone..[/color]

Obviously it does NOT apply to everyone... there were two conditions
required to meet whatever criteria I described... number one was being
young, and number two was the desire to set off car alarms with your
subwoofers... if only one of those two applies to you, then whatever
statement I made does NOT apply to you.

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Scott Gardner

October 15th 05, 01:31 PM

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:08:14 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>10v..lol is too much 90% of amps cant handle it.

Just about any amp out there will handle 10V just fine - you just have
to turn down the input gain on the amplifier. Depending on the
particular amp, using 10V preouts might mean that you won't have a
very wide range of adjustment on the input gain before you start
clipping the amp, but it will work just fine, and you'll still be able
to drive the amp to its maximum power.

It helps if you understand the several stages of amplification that
take place in your car stereo system. I'll use a system with a CD
player as an example. The laser reads the digital information from
the disc, and the digital-to-analog converter changes it to a
low-voltage analog signal (somewhere around a few millivolts). Then,
the preamplifier in the head unit amplifies it to the preout voltage,
like 0.7V, 2V, 7V or whatever.

Then, the input gain control of the amplifier increases the voltage
even more, and feeds it to the amplification stage. The amplification
stage then does the final amplification, and gives you your 200W or
whatever the maximum is that the amp is designed to produce.

Let's do an example using some easy numbers. These numbers aren't
necessarily exactly what you'd find in an amplifier - I'm just picking
them to make the math easy:

Let's say that the amplification stage of your amp can only produce a
maximum of 200W, and to produce that 200W, it needs an input to the
amplification stage of 20V. Assume that your head unit can only put
out a maximum of 2V. To drive your amplifier to its max power, you
need to adjust the input gain on the amplifier to raise the 2V preout
voltage up to the 20V that the amplification stage needs. This is a
"gain factor" of 10.

If you use the same amp, but your head unit (or EQ) has 10V preouts,
you need to turn the amplifier input gain factor down to 2, so that
the 10V preout voltage gets increased to the 20V that the
amplification stage needs to provide its full 200W.

So, even with the 10V preouts, the amp is still only producing its
maximum 200W. In fact, since the amplification stage of the amp is
still seeing the same 20V that it saw before, it has no idea whether
you have 2V, 7V, or 10V preouts.

In conclusion, if you have high-voltage preouts, all that means is
that you're going to have to turn the amplifier input gain down so
that you keep the maximum voltage to the amplification stage constant.
Higher preout voltages won't let your amp produce any more clean power
than low-voltage preouts, and any increase in the signal-to-noise
ratio from using higher preout voltages is theoretical at best.

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bob wald

October 15th 05, 01:44 PM

haHA distort faster at 7v...thats funny.itd mean the opposite....Also i
may buy a cassette player
now i got great eq.itll sound just like cd on chrome tape......
i know tapes break sometimes....but sometimes it takes that to make you
move on to other music...lol
if my tapes of duran duran,run dmc,prince,besty boys didnt break id
still only listen to those.

robyncboyd

October 15th 05, 06:36 PM

bob wald Wrote:
> I come on here.give you great ideas to improve your stereos..all i get
> is complaints....
>

Bob, please go into the kitchen, obtain an icepick, and insert it into
your temple ASAP

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bob wald

October 15th 05, 07:49 PM

rob? i dont hear no great audio advice from you????? doh

Chris Mullins

October 15th 05, 08:14 PM

bob i don't reckon' nobody ain't heard no great or good avice from you
neither.

"bob wald" > wrote in message
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> rob? i dont hear no great audio advice from you????? doh
>

bbballrrt06

October 15th 05, 08:29 PM

Jethro Wrote:
> Yes. It does. Eventually the need for attention goes away and you grow
> out of that stage... then you start caring about accurately producing
> music... either that or you start hitting SPL comps and winning
> trophies instead of setting off car alarms.

Ability.. not actually doing it.. i promise you any SPL winners have
the ability to set off car alarms...

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bob wald

October 16th 05, 01:16 AM

any1 know where alpine is sold cheap???
If you wanna look down on others go alpine decks.lol

robyncboyd

October 16th 05, 01:25 AM

Bob, you ****nut. I've seen what equipment you think is good. Pssssst,
you're a joke man.

I know you've got to be kidding. No one can be as dumb as you come
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robyncboyd

October 16th 05, 01:31 AM

B O B , S H U T T H E F V C K U P M A N ! I ' M B E G G
I N G Y O U !

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bob wald

October 16th 05, 01:47 AM

rob..i'm thinking about trying ALPINE.....i know its not your
legacy-kraco gear you got.but

robyncboyd

October 16th 05, 02:42 AM

H E Y B O B ! S T F U !

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Scott Gardner

October 16th 05, 06:20 AM

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:16:31 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>any1 know where alpine is sold cheap???
>If you wanna look down on others go alpine decks.lol

Try eBay for good prices on Alpine stuff. As with all brands of car
audio you buy on eBay, keep in mind that not all of it is being sold
by authorized dealers, so depending on who's selling it, you may get
the factory warranty from Alpine, an equal-length warranty from the
non-authorized seller, or no warranty at all.

I don't mind not getting a warranty, unless it's for an
outrageously-expensive single piece of gear, like a $1900 head unit or
something like that. With all the money I've saved over the years
buying off eBay, two or three of my components could die tomorrow, and
I'd still come out ahead money-wise, even after replacing them.
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Hvilla

October 16th 05, 07:42 AM

at onlinecarstereo.com and sonicelectronics.com

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Kirby

October 16th 05, 12:26 PM

The amp will distort faster you ****ing moron.

"bob wald" > wrote in message
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> haHA distort faster at 7v...thats funny.itd mean the opposite....Also i
> may buy a cassette player
> now i got great eq.itll sound just like cd on chrome tape......
> i know tapes break sometimes....but sometimes it takes that to make you
> move on to other music...lol
> if my tapes of duran duran,run dmc,prince,besty boys didnt break id
> still only listen to those.
>

bob wald

October 16th 05, 02:25 PM

no it wouldnt if you stay under 60% power.And you should do that
anyway.idiot

bob wald

October 16th 05, 03:01 PM

ive been looking over alpine....
one day....
i dont think you understand alpine.its not just a hunk of lil parts put
together.
when you buy alpine you buying the idea.you understand the upper class n
you know n respect classy stuff.its like fine art. youll be a member of
a limited group.
now i think about it.why am i trying to explain it to you.you cant
understand.
all of you are worried about how cheap you bought your stuff.assuming
its not stolen.

Scott Gardner

October 16th 05, 05:11 PM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:26:23 GMT, "Kirby" >
wrote:

>The amp will distort faster you ****ing moron.
>
>

As long as he lowers the input gain on his amp to compensate for the
increased preamp voltage from the EQ, then his amp won't clip/distort
any earlier OR later than it did before.
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robyncboyd

October 16th 05, 06:11 PM

bbballrrt06 Wrote:
> i take offense to that.. kind of. im 17 and believe the *ability* to
> set off car alarms is cool.. does this put me in that category?

Yes, yes it does. It makes you a ****ing tool. :thup:

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Chris Mullins

October 16th 05, 07:39 PM

i think he meant that with the higher preamp voltage it'll be clipping
earlier with the gains, since most people don't know how to set their gains
its better to have lower preamps. There's been at least half a dozen people
i've heard of blowing their subs cause it wouldn't hold the power from their
amps they think the gain is a power setting so they want all the power they
can get

"Scott Gardner" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:26:23 GMT, "Kirby" >
> wrote:
>
>>The amp will distort faster you ****ing moron.
>>
>>
>
> As long as he lowers the input gain on his amp to compensate for the
> increased preamp voltage from the EQ, then his amp won't clip/distort
> any earlier OR later than it did before.
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>

Scott Gardner

October 16th 05, 07:51 PM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:01:10 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>ive been looking over alpine....
>one day....
>i dont think you understand alpine.its not just a hunk of lil parts put
>together.
>when you buy alpine you buying the idea.you understand the upper class n
>you know n respect classy stuff.its like fine art. youll be a member of
>a limited group.
>now i think about it.why am i trying to explain it to you.you cant
>understand.
>all of you are worried about how cheap you bought your stuff.assuming
>its not stolen.
>

This is strange - for someone that spends so much time trashing the
traditional "high-end" gear, you seem to have bought into the Alpine
"mystique" lock, stock and barrel.

Alpine makes good gear, but it's hardly exclusive or "limited" (unless
you figure that they're "limited" by the number of pieces they can
crank off of the assembly line each year).

And let's face it, even their top-of-the-line CD head unit, the
CDA-9855, can be bought all day for less than $350, so it's not like
you have to mortgage your house to buy one. You can spend more than
that if you get one of the in-dash LCD screen units that plays DVD's,
but the same is true of Clarion, Pioneer, or any of the other
companies. Alpine prices are really much more in-line with the rest
of the industry than they were fifteen or twenty years ago.

Alpine has tried for a long time to emphazise the "European" look and
feel of their units, but they're just another Japanese electronics
company - as good as most and better than some.

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Scott Gardner

October 16th 05, 08:00 PM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:39:52 -0400, "Chris Mullins"
> wrote:

>i think he meant that with the higher preamp voltage it'll be clipping
>earlier with the gains, since most people don't know how to set their gains
>its better to have lower preamps. There's been at least half a dozen people
>i've heard of blowing their subs cause it wouldn't hold the power from their
>amps they think the gain is a power setting so they want all the power they
>can get
>

That's true - if you take a properly-adjusted system that uses 2V
preouts from the head unit, and swap in a different head unit with 7V
preouts and don't adjust the gain on the amp(s), you're only going to
be able to use about a quarter of the head unit's volume range before
you start clipping the amp.

That's not an inherent disadvantage of high-voltage preouts, though -
that's user error, plain and simple.
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Kirby

October 16th 05, 08:39 PM

Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That was
what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of high
voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was that
it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise.

"Scott Gardner" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:39:52 -0400, "Chris Mullins"
> > wrote:
>
> >i think he meant that with the higher preamp voltage it'll be clipping
> >earlier with the gains, since most people don't know how to set their
gains
> >its better to have lower preamps. There's been at least half a dozen
people
> >i've heard of blowing their subs cause it wouldn't hold the power from
their
> >amps they think the gain is a power setting so they want all the power
they
> >can get
> >
>
> That's true - if you take a properly-adjusted system that uses 2V
> preouts from the head unit, and swap in a different head unit with 7V
> preouts and don't adjust the gain on the amp(s), you're only going to
> be able to use about a quarter of the head unit's volume range before
> you start clipping the amp.
>
> That's not an inherent disadvantage of high-voltage preouts, though -
> that's user error, plain and simple.
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October 16th 05, 08:57 PM

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bob wald

October 16th 05, 09:32 PM

scott in crutchfield....i think i just saw a top alpine, model
$1100.....n i dont think it was the 1 with the 7'' screen.
i dont think i ever saw a alpine other than in a show room at ''wrights
sound gallery''. i mean seen one in peron.

bob wald

October 16th 05, 09:34 PM

,25v LOL id rather have nothing than .25v...lol
hope you didnt pay more than $50 for it....

bob wald

October 16th 05, 09:45 PM

i guess what i am saying is alpine.you buying a more upper class
unit....not the average dog so to speak.
like with all polk/kicker could see alpine.not
boss-jensen-pioneer-jvc-sony-even clarion.
clarion i put between average n high class.
i try to match my equipment. class wise.
maybe i'm saying theres rare brands i dont see around much
..

bob wald

October 16th 05, 09:49 PM

i dont know who makes alpine.but if the japs have it.they bought it.who
where they before the japs got it.....

Scott Gardner

October 16th 05, 10:09 PM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:49:01 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>i dont know who makes alpine.but if the japs have it.they bought it.who
>where they before the japs got it.....

Alpine has been a Japanese company since it was founded in 1948. They
didn't take the name "Alpine Electronics" until they stated making
tape decks in 1967, though.
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Scott Gardner

October 16th 05, 10:29 PM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:32:34 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>scott in crutchfield....i think i just saw a top alpine, model
>$1100.....n i dont think it was the 1 with the 7'' screen.
>i dont think i ever saw a alpine other than in a show room at ''wrights
>sound gallery''. i mean seen one in peron.

Shows what you know. I have an Alpine 7814 CD/receiver in one of my
cars. It's an older model, and I consider it inferior to my
JVC-KDSH77, which is even a few years old too. As a matter of fact, I
took the Alpine out of my Mercedes and put it in my Honda, so that I
could sell the Honda with the Alpine in it and keep the JVC.

And as for Crutchfield, they do have ONE regular-screen model in their
catalogue (the DVA-9965) that costs more than the CDA-9855 that I
mentioned earlier. It hasn't been released yet, and Crutchfield's
price is $1499. Every other model priced between the 9965 and the
9855 has a large-screen display, NAV, satellite radio, etcetera.
Plus, the $1500 DVA-9965 is still a DVD player, even though it doesn't
have a screen.

For a CD/MP3 deck without a large screen, the 9855 (soon to be
replaced by the same-price 9860) is still Alpine's flagship model, and
you can buy them all day for $350, regardless of what Crutchfield
charges for them.

And contrary to your earlier opinion, buying Alpine isn't like buying
"fine art". Any schlump with $300 can take his pick of a half-dozen
Alpine stereos and have it delivered to his door the next day. So,
they're neither limited nor "exclusive". The "Alpine" name might
impress people that don't know any better, though.

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Scott Gardner

October 16th 05, 10:56 PM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:29:12 -0400, Scott Gardner >
wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:32:34 -0500, (bob wald)
>wrote:
>
>>scott in crutchfield....i think i just saw a top alpine, model
>>$1100.....n i dont think it was the 1 with the 7'' screen.
>>i dont think i ever saw a alpine other than in a show room at ''wrights
>>sound gallery''. i mean seen one in peron.
>
>Shows what you know. I have an Alpine 7814 CD/receiver in one of my
>cars. It's an older model, and I consider it inferior to my
>JVC-KDSH77, which is even a few years old too. As a matter of fact, I
>took the Alpine out of my Mercedes and put it in my Honda, so that I
>could sell the Honda with the Alpine in it and keep the JVC.

Never mind - I mis-read your post and though that you were claiming
that *I* had never seen an Alpine head unit in person, not that *you*
had never seen one.

I used to see them all over the place in the 80's and 90's, back when
they were the most-expensive units out there and people bought them
for "bragging rights". Now that their prices are more in line with
everyone else's, perhaps people are looking at other brands more.

Your post reminded me of a boss I had in high school. He had an old,
beat-up Jeep with an Alpine stereo in it. The funny thing was, it was
an Alpine **8-track player**. To this day, that's still the only
Alpine 8-track I've ever seen.

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Chris Mullins

October 16th 05, 11:48 PM

i only wish i was a VIP so they'd let me buy an alpine. They said my $350
wasn't good enough for them...

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
>i guess what i am saying is alpine.you buying a more upper class
> unit....not the average dog so to speak.
> like with all polk/kicker could see alpine.not
> boss-jensen-pioneer-jvc-sony-even clarion.
> clarion i put between average n high class.
> i try to match my equipment. class wise.
> maybe i'm saying theres rare brands i dont see around much
> .
>

bob wald

October 17th 05, 12:57 AM

scott.i know all electronics get old price so i cant comment on the
$300 alpine. but i see lots of other decks $189 or less.so the alpine is
more.
I still think the alpines abit rare.

Andrew Dumaresq

October 17th 05, 12:59 AM

Scott Gardner wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:32:34 -0500, (bob wald)
> wrote:
>
>
>>scott in crutchfield....i think i just saw a top alpine, model
>>$1100.....n i dont think it was the 1 with the 7'' screen.
>>i dont think i ever saw a alpine other than in a show room at ''wrights
>>sound gallery''. i mean seen one in peron.
>
>
> Shows what you know. I have an Alpine 7814 CD/receiver in one of my
> cars. It's an older model, and I consider it inferior to my
> JVC-KDSH77, which is even a few years old too. As a matter of fact, I
> took the Alpine out of my Mercedes and put it in my Honda, so that I
> could sell the Honda with the Alpine in it and keep the JVC.
>
> And as for Crutchfield, they do have ONE regular-screen model in their
> catalogue (the DVA-9965) that costs more than the CDA-9855 that I
> mentioned earlier. It hasn't been released yet, and Crutchfield's
> price is $1499. Every other model priced between the 9965 and the
> 9855 has a large-screen display, NAV, satellite radio, etcetera.
> Plus, the $1500 DVA-9965 is still a DVD player, even though it doesn't
> have a screen.
>
> For a CD/MP3 deck without a large screen, the 9855 (soon to be
> replaced by the same-price 9860) is still Alpine's flagship model, and
> you can buy them all day for $350, regardless of what Crutchfield
> charges for them.
>
> And contrary to your earlier opinion, buying Alpine isn't like buying
> "fine art". Any schlump with $300 can take his pick of a half-dozen
> Alpine stereos and have it delivered to his door the next day. So,
> they're neither limited nor "exclusive". The "Alpine" name might
> impress people that don't know any better, though.
>
>

The only head units I am aware of the cost more then the others, is
Eclipse, I Assume there are others, but as far as I know Pioneer Kenwood
JVC Sony Clarion and Alpine are all priced pretty much at the same
level. Top end around 350-400. Like others have said I mean the MP3/CD
players not the DVD or navigation units.

bob wald

October 17th 05, 01:01 AM

Ive never said alpine was better than any.i just dont know.i said its
rare.looks good too.Kinda classy/rare.specs look good.

bob wald

October 17th 05, 01:03 AM

8track...mid to late 70s. you must be 40...

Andrew Dumaresq

October 17th 05, 01:20 AM

bob wald wrote:
> 8track...mid to late 70s. you must be 40...
>

Man you must be 12, I'm 29 and I remember 8 tracks and the late 70s
(though not very well).

October 17th 05, 02:19 AM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Kirby wrote:
> Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That was
> what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of high
> voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was that
> it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise.

I don't get any noise from my 10v output when it's down at low volume
levels and therefore putting out only a quarter of a volt. I think
something was wrong with your EQ.

October 17th 05, 02:20 AM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
> i try to match my equipment. class wise.

That's evident.

So what class are you?

October 17th 05, 02:22 AM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
> i just dont know.

On this we agree.

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October 17th 05, 03:36 AM

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:03:15 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>8track...mid to late 70s. you must be 40...

Nah, I'm only 35. My friend's Jeep and the 8-track player in it were
already old when I knew him in 1986 or so. I think the Jeep was a
1974, and the Alpine 8-track player was probably from the late 70's.

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October 17th 05, 03:39 AM

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:19:02 GMT, MZ > wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Kirby wrote:
>> Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That was
>> what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of high
>> voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was that
>> it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise.
>
>I don't get any noise from my 10v output when it's down at low volume
>levels and therefore putting out only a quarter of a volt. I think
>something was wrong with your EQ.

I was thinking the same thing. A clean-sounding unit with
high-voltage preamps would still sound as clean with lower-voltage
preamps. Likewise, if he was getting noise from his EQ, it probably
wasn't caused by the preouts. More likely, either the EQ was faulty
or inherently noisy.

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robyncboyd

October 17th 05, 04:08 AM

Scott Gardner Wrote:
> and the Alpine 8-track player was probably from the late 70's.
>
>
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Nah, probably from the early to mid seventies. Late seventies were the
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Chris Mullins

October 17th 05, 04:24 AM

i think he was saying that he has sort of a pavlovian response now since his
..25v preamps sucked. He has to partially blame it ont he voltage even
though he knows its probably not at fault. but thats just the impression i
got, i could be as wrong as wald (i like that, i think i'll keep it)

"Scott Gardner" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:19:02 GMT, MZ > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Kirby wrote:
>>> Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That
>>> was
>>> what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of
>>> high
>>> voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was
>>> that
>>> it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise.
>>
>>I don't get any noise from my 10v output when it's down at low volume
>>levels and therefore putting out only a quarter of a volt. I think
>>something was wrong with your EQ.
>
> I was thinking the same thing. A clean-sounding unit with
> high-voltage preamps would still sound as clean with lower-voltage
> preamps. Likewise, if he was getting noise from his EQ, it probably
> wasn't caused by the preouts. More likely, either the EQ was faulty
> or inherently noisy.
>
>
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Chris Mullins

October 17th 05, 04:27 AM

i think i speak for everyone when i say i only reply/read his posts when i
need something to laugh at

I really love how he's changed his stance now that he's able to afford an
alpine unit, he thinks he's something special because his mom is going to
get him a nice x-mas present.

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Kirby

October 17th 05, 06:37 AM

So you know, I paid $20.. Canadian..

"bob wald" > wrote in message
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> ,25v LOL id rather have nothing than .25v...lol
> hope you didnt pay more than $50 for it....
>

Kirby

October 17th 05, 06:39 AM

To the best of my knowledge it was a common problem with this sereis of EQ.
Pioneer DEQ-7200. If I can remember correctly, it was 14 band digital. I
loved the look, and the screen saver type things. My only real beef with it
was the noise and the fact that you could not read it for **** in the
daytime.

"MZ" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Kirby wrote:
> > Sorry, but I was getting somewhat frustrated by Mr Walds stupidity. That
was
> > what I was trying to say. But I still don't see almost any upides of
high
> > voltage pre-outs. The only thing I can think of, is with my old EQ, was
that
> > it had .25 V outs, and it gave off a lot of noise.
>
> I don't get any noise from my 10v output when it's down at low volume
> levels and therefore putting out only a quarter of a volt. I think
> something was wrong with your EQ.

mike's dad

October 17th 05, 09:03 AM

i believe the website is 'sonicelectronix.com'
(http://www.sonicelectronix.com)

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bob wald

October 17th 05, 12:31 PM

mark by class i mean cheap stuff to cheap stuff.expensive to
expensive.But alpines always interested me.thier decks-eqs anyways.
i cant even think of high cost decks besides eclipse n nekimishi.lol
the reason i dont own alpine already. i think thier outs are 2v.but
thanks to clarion eq.Its Alpine time! 7vvvvvvvvv......
this Clarion has improved my life already....
Sometimes i admire myself.lol

October 17th 05, 02:25 PM

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
> mark by class i mean cheap stuff to cheap stuff.expensive to
> expensive.

Alpine's not very expensive. Compare it to some Eclipse, Nakamichi, and
McIntosh models.

bob wald

October 17th 05, 03:44 PM

ok...i never said alpine was the most expensive on earth.
but if you look at alpines cheapest models thier higher than others
cheap models..plus alpine id guess sells more stuff than the others
thats priced higher....

October 17th 05, 09:07 PM

> ok...i never said alpine was the most expensive on earth.
> but if you look at alpines cheapest models thier higher than others
> cheap models..plus alpine id guess sells more stuff than the others
> thats priced higher....

That's because they sell Alpine in the department stores...

bob wald

October 18th 05, 12:33 AM

ive said be4 ive never seen alpine in person.just 1 or twice in very
high electronic stores.yo must be thinking of your
kenwood-mitishbiti-panasonic-fujiten in department stores.....

Kirby

October 18th 05, 05:58 AM

You dont get out much do you? Almost all of the installers in my area have
Alpine, and same with the car owners.. You almost can't go anywhere around
here without seeing it.. And by no means do these places have high end gear.

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> ive said be4 ive never seen alpine in person.just 1 or twice in very
> high electronic stores.yo must be thinking of your
> kenwood-mitishbiti-panasonic-fujiten in department stores.....
>

Jethro

October 18th 05, 06:30 AM

bob wald Wrote:
> ive said be4 ive never seen alpine in person.just 1 or twice in very
> high electronic stores.yo must be thinking of your
> kenwood-mitishbiti-panasonic-fujiten in department stores.....

Throw Sherwood and Jensen in that list and you've got a car audio
lineup from 1988 or so... bob, are you stuck in the eighties? Have you
been out of your basement since the eighties?

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bob wald

October 18th 05, 12:04 PM

well 80s were the best time in history so far.for music,stereos etc.
maybe different places might have alot of alpine.but not here.

October 18th 05, 02:20 PM

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
> well 80s were the best time in history so far.for music,stereos etc.
> maybe different places might have alot of alpine.but not here.

Crank that Herbie Hancock, bob.

bob wald

October 18th 05, 04:31 PM

please dont be jealous of my
alpine-clarion-sherwood-jvc''speakers''.pioneer''sub''.LoL....we all
cant be #1......
***lanzer cap. a+ wirings/cables/battery....
i know i have no video/mp3 but so. dont need everything to be happy.
rf-kicker-jl-re-kenwood....HAHahaHAhAhA......

Chris Mullins

October 19th 05, 12:55 AM

bob, have you ever actually seen an RE sub? i mean seriously, you think
alpine is rare, the only xxx you've ever seen probably had teenage boys in
compromising positions. you talk about the other brands but so far once you
get a good deal on one them you love them and talk about how high end you're
getting.

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> please dont be jealous of my
> alpine-clarion-sherwood-jvc''speakers''.pioneer''sub''.LoL....we all
> cant be #1......
> ***lanzer cap. a+ wirings/cables/battery....
> i know i have no video/mp3 but so. dont need everything to be happy.
> rf-kicker-jl-re-kenwood....HAHahaHAhAhA......
>

bob wald

October 19th 05, 01:14 AM

you must be on dope...LOL pioneer iz the bested sub ever......i asked
the sales guy.he told me. re lol..iz tis a joke?

bob wald

October 19th 05, 01:30 AM

so chris you think alpine is 1 of the largest sellers?????
chris chris chris.....
see chris the gear i have is almost 1 of a kind..
my Sherwood xat 3000.you go buy 1.LOL.....
that right chris you cant....
my jvc speakers..the gold colored 1s.last year they started selling the
lasts ones of them....
70rms...5.25........2way.....40-24000hz.
lets see you copy that...lol
very few 5.25 can take over 35rms....
i bought 2pair..i was going to order 2 more but they sold out......
pioneer subs....well i bought a boxed 1.only 85rms 10'. i was mad
ashell....all my amps would blow it in 8seconds...so i hooked it up to a
100rms bridged profile amp...
bought a replacement 10' for after the pioneer blew.its 5yrs
later....the best sub i ever heard...
i still have it. its as tight as new.
you see chris i'm not just a car audio guy.
(((i'm super car audio guy!)))

Chris Mullins

October 19th 05, 01:43 AM

amazing how you think i'm on dope but you failed to answer the question in
my post.

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> you must be on dope...LOL pioneer iz the bested sub ever......i asked
> the sales guy.he told me. re lol..iz tis a joke?
>

bob wald

October 19th 05, 03:36 AM

no i never saw no re sub.....i dont think i ever saw a pic of 1. why?
plus i found my amp. swiss audio 100rms x4.
new. $119. .04thd. ////Alpine will have to wait..
but i can dream.....

Scott Gardner

October 19th 05, 04:05 AM

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:30:06 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>my jvc speakers..the gold colored 1s.last year they started selling the
>lasts ones of them....
>70rms...5.25........2way.....40-24000hz.
>lets see you copy that...lol
>very few 5.25 can take over 35rms....
>i bought 2pair..i was going to order 2 more but they sold out......

Actually, the list of 5-1/4" speakers that CAN'T handle 35WRMS is a
lot shorter than the list of those that CAN. Unless you're talking
about the no-name paper-cone generic drivers that you buy at Radio
Shack for $9, 35 WRMS is no big deal at all. Look at any of the
5-1/4" speakers from Pyle, Infinity, MB Quart, RF, Sony, or any other
manufacturer.

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October 19th 05, 04:12 AM

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, bob wald wrote:
> no i never saw no re sub.....i dont think i ever saw a pic of 1. why?
> plus i found my amp. swiss audio 100rms x4.
> new. $119. .04thd. ////Alpine will have to wait..
> but i can dream.....

Hey bob, ever actually owned any Alpine stuff, or is this the most recent
sales pitch you've fallen for? I've owned tons of Alpine gear. I didn't
like the speakers I had, and the amps really aren't that great for what
they sell for.

bob wald

October 19th 05, 04:13 AM

the jvcs i have can handle 70rms...
not 35rms......
i think youre either confused or something.
ill go check afew 5.25s to see if they can take over 35rms.like you say
they can.....

robyncboyd

October 19th 05, 04:17 AM

bob wald Wrote:
> no i never saw no re sub.....i dont think i ever saw a pic of 1. why?
> plus i found my amp. swiss audio 100rms x4.
> new. $119. .04thd. ////Alpine will have to wait..
> but i can dream.....

***************NEWSFLASH BOB***************

Swiss Audio is junk!

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bob wald

October 19th 05, 04:34 AM

ok. i looked at a few rf, kicker...looks ike the specs on my jvc.hmmmmmm
jvc new speakers are like 35rms..alot weaker....
i think the maker of those jvcs now make for others. must be charging
more to make them. cause these rf, kicker are about twice what i paid
for these jvcs. last yrs models.....

bob wald

October 19th 05, 04:44 AM

roby. them swiss can make stuff....
specs look real good to me.

bob wald

October 19th 05, 05:09 AM

well my orders in. for my swiss audio....weeeee
go mail in the morning.....i'm done buying.... 2 clarion,eqs, 1 swiss
amp, 2 ,5.25 jvcs, 1lanzer 2.4cap...still look for a cheap ////Alpine
receiver...... total paid $375........this yr.

bob wald

October 19th 05, 01:01 PM

oh i forgot i bought a 6x9 jvc n a pioneer 10' sub n profile amp
180x2,4ohm. total $188.....
oh another problem. i saw another swiss audio amp 150rms x4. 4ohm
$145......
these swiss aint saying its 4ohm.but i'm assuming

bob wald

October 19th 05, 03:54 PM

swiss audio....smx4400. amp i will soon have to ensure my superior auto
sound system....
HahaHahahAHahaHahaHahA.......
it will match up well with my sherwoods.....

Jethro

October 19th 05, 04:24 PM

"swiss audio....smx4400.

it will match up well with my sherwoods....."

I think the Sherwood stuff is actually better quality and performance
than the Swiss Audio stuff... overrated crap listing completely
worthless MAX power specs... but hey, if you think you're getting a
good deal... it's your money [wasted].

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