collector

[bob wald]

Am i the only collector of fine car audio here???
ive got 7 new amps, 3pair 6x9s i'm counting the visonik 4way i havent
bought yet.but it will be mine,lol
2 pair 5.25. 2 cd players.
lots of amp kits.
HahahAHAHahaHa......envey me......
now remember it took me 10years to pick this up.so $1500 in extra stereo
stuff aint much when you make $20000 ayr or $200000 for 10yrs....

[MZ]

> Am i the only collector of fine car audio here???
> ive got 7 new amps, 3pair 6x9s i'm counting the visonik 4way i havent
> bought yet.but it will be mine,lol
> 2 pair 5.25. 2 cd players.
> lots of amp kits.
> HahahAHAHahaHa......envey me......
> now remember it took me 10years to pick this up.so $1500 in extra stereo
> stuff aint much when you make $20000 ayr or $200000 for 10yrs....

Yeah, and when you live with your parents.

Be thankful that Bob hasn't reproduced...

[Chad Wahls]

"MZ" > wrote in message
...
>> Am i the only collector of fine car audio here???
>> ive got 7 new amps, 3pair 6x9s i'm counting the visonik 4way i havent
>> bought yet.but it will be mine,lol
>> 2 pair 5.25. 2 cd players.
>> lots of amp kits.
>> HahahAHAHahaHa......envey me......
>> now remember it took me 10years to pick this up.so $1500 in extra stereo
>> stuff aint much when you make $20000 ayr or $200000 for 10yrs....
>
> Yeah, and when you live with your parents.
>
> Be thankful that Bob hasn't reproduced...

You sure??????

Peep this! http://www.ebaumsworld.com/family.html

Chad

[bob wald]

oh...i forgot 4subs...2pioneers, 1jensen, 1boss.

[robyncboyd]

This thread should have been titled "Junk Collector, One Man's Junk Is
Another Man's Treasure":)


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[smoove]

Why would we care if you collect old crappy audio?

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> Am i the only collector of fine car audio here???
> ive got 7 new amps, 3pair 6x9s i'm counting the visonik 4way i havent
> bought yet.but it will be mine,lol
> 2 pair 5.25. 2 cd players.
> lots of amp kits.
> HahahAHAHahaHa......envey me......
> now remember it took me 10years to pick this up.so $1500 in extra stereo
> stuff aint much when you make $20000 ayr or $200000 for 10yrs....
>
>

[Scott Gardner]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:22:04 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

> Am i the only collector of fine car audio here???
>ive got 7 new amps, 3pair 6x9s i'm counting the visonik 4way i havent
>bought yet.but it will be mine,lol
>2 pair 5.25. 2 cd players.
>lots of amp kits.
>HahahAHAHahaHa......envey me......
>now remember it took me 10years to pick this up.so $1500 in extra stereo
>stuff aint much when you make $20000 ayr or $200000 for 10yrs....
>

If you've been collecting them over the last ten years, why do you
still call them "new" amps? Do you buy them and never install them,
or what?


--
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"What happens on cruise, stays on cruise." (Navy saying)

[I. Care]

In article >,
says...
> Am i the only collector of fine car audio here???
> ive got 7 new amps, 3pair 6x9s i'm counting the visonik 4way i havent
> bought yet.but it will be mine,lol
> 2 pair 5.25. 2 cd players.
> lots of amp kits.
> HahahAHAHahaHa......envey me......
> now remember it took me 10years to pick this up.so $1500 in extra stereo
> stuff aint much when you make $20000 ayr or $200000 for 10yrs....
>
>
>
For the know it all, have it all.

http://www.teamrocs.com/crap/newbie.htm
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[bob wald]

look i'm trying to help you kids....once i was like you n had nothing n
knew nothing.
but now i have what you all dream about....
well i have so much cause i got out afew yrs...
and these profile amps i was running sounded good n never broke.

[Bruce Chang]

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> look i'm trying to help you kids....once i was like you n had nothing n
> knew nothing.
> but now i have what you all dream about....
> well i have so much cause i got out afew yrs...
> and these profile amps i was running sounded good n never broke.
>

I don't know about everyone else but I don't dream of having crappy
equipment, much less dream of how proud I am having said crappy equipment.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "i have so much cause i got out afew
yrs.." You mean out of prison? The insane asylum? The funny farm?

[Kirby]

haha, "what's wrong with my webTV?" or this one, "What car should I buy?"...
hit 'er on the spot..



"I. Care" > wrote in message
.net...
> In article >,
> says...
> > Am i the only collector of fine car audio here???
> > ive got 7 new amps, 3pair 6x9s i'm counting the visonik 4way i havent
> > bought yet.but it will be mine,lol
> > 2 pair 5.25. 2 cd players.
> > lots of amp kits.
> > HahahAHAHahaHa......envey me......
> > now remember it took me 10years to pick this up.so $1500 in extra stereo
> > stuff aint much when you make $20000 ayr or $200000 for 10yrs....
> >
> >
> >
> For the know it all, have it all.
>
> http://www.teamrocs.com/crap/newbie.htm
> --
> I. Care
> Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-}

[Jethro]

bob wald Wrote:
> look i'm trying to help you kids....once i was like you n had nothing n
> knew nothing.
> but now i have what you all dream about....
> well i have so much cause i got out afew yrs...
> and these profile amps i was running sounded good n never broke.

Yeah, that's a good one there, Bob. Teach us oh audio guru... share
your audio knowledge with us... show us the path to car audio nirvana!
[/heavy sarcasm]

If you're going to collect car audio equipment, you may as well put it
to use. Buy a 50 amp DC power supply and hook up a working system in
your shop or garage... there's no point in bragging about your
collection if it's just collecting dust... hook that crap up!


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[bob wald]

bruce i mean i bought alot 9 yrs ago but then moved on to other things
and just kept the stuff i had in a closet.Now i think i might go crazy
again in my car.with audio now.

[Tony F]

Just reply and add your name if you would prefer that Mr. Wald never again
shares his thoughts with us on rec.audio.car. I'll start it off:



Tony F.

[Tony F]

MZ wrote: "Be thankful that Bob hasn't reproduced..."

I think he has, Mark. I've already uncovered his affinity for teenaged
asian girls. I wonder if he specifically has a thing for Chinese girls?
Because mmdir2 hates the Chinese. Called them a "dirt sneaky race" if I
remember correctly. I suspect that mmdir2 is half Chinese, half Wald. His
extreme dislike of the Chinese has to do with his resentment of his own
mother for hooking up with a retard like Mr. Wald.

Well, it makes sense in my head...but it somehow loses potency between my
brain and my fingers. I'm tired.

Oh...and I just thought of a joke. Let's assume for one second that Bob is
popular with Chinese women. What do they call him?

The great Wald of China.

Okay...it's bed time!!!

Tony


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Clarion DRZ9255 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and Xenon X1200.1
Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear
Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub

2001 Chevy S10 ZR2
Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC
Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub

[Tony F]

Just reply and add your name if you would prefer that Mr. Wald never again
shares his thoughts with us on rec.audio.car. I'll start it off:

Oops. This was supposed to be a new post. Nevermind!

Tony


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Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear
Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub

2001 Chevy S10 ZR2
Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC
Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub

[bob wald]

i know its tuff not to be jealous of my boss equipment.please try.....
my pioneer n jensen too.
cant we all get along?

[bob wald]

actually i'm not the tool.....no rf-jl-kicker-orion
here......hAHahAHa....never
ps kicker speakers are nice.

[robyncboyd]

bob wald Wrote:
> i know its tuff not to be jealous of my boss equipment.please try.....
> my pioneer n jensen too.
> cant we all get along?

Bob, I know this isn't a newsflash for you but you sir are a ****ing
tool.


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[Kirby]

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> actually i'm not the tool.....no rf-jl-kicker-orion
> here......hAHahAHa....never
> ps kicker speakers are nice.

and I would like to quote once again from robyncboyd:
"Bob, I know this isn't a newsflash for you but you sir are a ****ing
tool."

[bob wald]

i gonna start callin yall stanley.lol
cause you aint nutin but a tool.lol
later stanley.......
rf,jl hAHAhAHAhAHahA

[bob wald]

you know everyday i come in here.hoping you all will say something
smart.everyday you let me down......ty

[Branden Nelsen]

Funny, I think the Feeling is 100% mutual on both sides....



"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> you know everyday i come in here.hoping you all will say something
> smart.everyday you let me down......ty
>

[bob wald]

well dont feel bad.you might say something smart oneday.since you say
you hope each day youll say something smart too.

[Kirby]

Almost everyday someone gives you the chance to be accepted... and yet again
you seem not want anyone to like you, now do us a favor and shut the hell
up.. please... If you shut up, I'll gladly accept the fact that boss is the
best brand outhere.. but I have a feeling neither will happen.


"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> well dont feel bad.you might say something smart oneday.since you say
> you hope each day youll say something smart too.
>

[bob wald]

ive come across a soundstorm and swiss audio amps..look nice......
also i am wrestling with buying a second clarion
eqs744 while i can get it at $85 shipped...
also any1 know precision audio?????

[Scott Gardner]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:40:41 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>ive come across a soundstorm and swiss audio amps..look nice......
>also i am wrestling with buying a second clarion
>eqs744 while i can get it at $85 shipped...
>also any1 know precision audio?????

You can get the Clarion EQS744 on eBay for $60-65 shipped, from at
least a half-dozen different vendors, so I wouldn't have paid $85 for
the first one, much less for a second one.

As for Precision Audio, I've never used them, but if you look at the
posts in this newsgroup over the years, most peoples' experience and
impressions with them have been pretty poor. I know that some of
their subwoofers are "lookalikes" of some of the JL Audio models, and
the packaging even uses the same font as JL. They also use model
names like "JW-10" and "JW-12", which might confuse an unwary buyer.

Swiss Audio and Audiobahn are/were divisions of the same company.
That's not the same as saying that Swiss is made by Audiobahn -
they're both just owned by the same people, along with Alphasonik and
Digital Audio. Those four companies don't manufacture anything at all
- they give their specs to overseas companies for them to produce and
put the Audiobahn/Alphasonik/Digital/Swiss logo on them.

As a result, the products are somewhat generic, although the quality
is pretty fair.
--
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"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."

[Jethro]

bob wald Wrote:
> ive come across a soundstorm and swiss audio amps..look nice......
> also i am wrestling with buying a second clarion
> eqs744 while i can get it at $85 shipped...
> also any1 know precision audio?????

Wow Bob, you are falling deeper and deeper into the sewers of the car
audio world... Soundstorm? Are you serious? That's just one of those
cheezy companies that came out to trick the ignorant into thinking they
were buying Soundstream... kind of like Rockwood/Rockford.

$85 will go a long way toward some decent gear... or better yet, into
some educational reading material to help you make better buying
decisions, and to increase your knowledge of audio in general.

But, then I have to remember, nobody can be this stupid... can they? I
guess the other guys are probablly right... bob wald = troll...


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[bob wald]

i know all that all ready....jethro
dohhhhh....but they can improve...
you make 800000 amps.you gota learn something....

[bob wald]

well scott you were good for something after all...i couldnt get in ebay
but tried yahoo shopping.found it for $55..WOW...
i emailed sd to price match it.i'm ordering another 1. YOU cant let this
go by!
no theyre not the best but really good i think....

[Scott Gardner]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:21:28 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>well scott you were good for something after all...i couldnt get in ebay
>but tried yahoo shopping.found it for $55..WOW...
>i emailed sd to price match it.i'm ordering another 1. YOU cant let this
>go by!
>no theyre not the best but really good i think....

Whether they've any good or not, why on earth do you want TWO of them?
Is the second one going into another car, or are you going to keep it
as a spare? The same unit that goes for $55 today will either be $40
next year, or it will have been replaced by another model with more
features that you can get for the same $55 that this one is costing
you.

(Or do you have some "inside information" that tells you that
equalizers are about to get really expensive?)

Honestly, it looks like a pretty nice piece for $55. Clarion is a
reputable company, and I know a lot of people that would be willing to
spend $55 just to get the aux-input feature. The crossover frequency
isn't continously-variable, but at least the choices they give you are
60Hz and 90Hz, instead of the typical 90/120/150 Hz. I like to keep
my subs crossed over pretty low, so 60 Hz is pretty close to what I
would use anyway.

I don't think that you'll be able to "gap" the crossovers, though. If
you use 60 Hz as the low-pass crossover point for your subs, then the
high-pass point for your main speakers will be 60Hz as well, which
might be a little low for them.

I still don't think that a 7-band EQ is adequate for correcting *all*
of the frequency response issues in a typical car, but like MZ said,
it will be great for making minor adjustments "on-the-fly" to adjust
the sound for particular sources or songs. I still think the 7V line
driver is a marketing gimmick, though.

For $55, you're essentially getting a two-way/four-channel crossover
with a fader, PLUS a variable subwoofer output, an auxiliary input if
you want to add something like an MP3 player, and a 7-band equalizer.
You would get more features and flexibility if you bought separate
components or a higher-end combination unit, but for the price, I'm
sure you'll be happy with it.


--
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"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."

[Scott Gardner]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:17:27 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>i know all that all ready....jethro
>dohhhhh....but they can improve...
>you make 800000 amps.you gota learn something....

These manufacturing companies may make 80,000 amps, but they aren't in
the business of advancing the state of the art - they're in the
business of taking another's company's specifications, and producing
the amps for them as cheaply as possible to maximize profits without
having too many of them come back broken.

The "Chiang Wu" manufacturing company in China isn't interested in
improving the design, because that's not what they're paid to do. Any
improvements they make involve increasing the efficiency of their
manufacturing process, not making changes to the design of the
amplifier itself. You can give them a ****ty amplifier design, and
they'll happily crank out 100,000 of them in the most efficient and
cost-effective manner possible - they don't give a crap whether it's a
good design or not.


--
Scott Gardner

I'm all out of altitude, airspeed, and ideas..."

[bob wald]

scott..i am a professional...i bought 4 amps 3 yrs ago at 30% cheaper
shipping.....you see most everything goes up.....n the amps were cheaper
too.....
also those clarion eqs must be selling out that model...no more for
you. next yr..too bad.....

[bob wald]

i'm sure 6-7 people here are ordering this...thats why wanted to get my
order in before i start telling about it....
if its a nice eq now itll be nice in 2007.....

[bob wald]

first..800 000 amps..next if theyre total garbage no1 will buy
it.....soundstorm.....

[Scott Gardner]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:59:24 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>scott..i am a professional...i bought 4 amps 3 yrs ago at 30% cheaper
>shipping.....you see most everything goes up.....n the amps were cheaper
>too.....
>also those clarion eqs must be selling out that model...no more for
>you. next yr..too bad.....

Bob, what colour is the sky in your world?? Here on planet Earth,
consumer electronics prices never go anywhere but *down* over the long
haul, even without adjusting for inflation. If you do adjust for
inflation, the prices are practically plummeting.

Look through old Usenet posts and see what the typical price-per-watt
for amplifiers was ten years ago.

Head units are the same way. Today, you have to try real hard to find
a CD player that sells for more than $375. (I'm not talking about DVD
players or nav systems, just CD players).

In the late 80's, you would have had a hard time finding a CD player
for LESS than $375, and with inflation, $375 in 1986 dollars is more
than $520 today.

So, whether or not you adjust for infaltion, even the most-expensive
units today are cheaper than the cheapest units twenty years ago.

And for amplifiers, if you've been around car audio as long as you
claim, surely you remember when $1/Watt was actually a *good* price.
Now, amplifiers have gotten so inexpensive that they're practically
commodity items.

And like I said in my other post, if Clarion is discontinuing the
EQS744, it's only because they're going to replace it with a better
unit at the same price point, so it still doesn't make any sense to
"stock up" now.



--
Scott Gardner

"Besides that, Mrs. Kennedy, how was your trip to Dallas?"

[Scott Gardner]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:04:27 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>i'm sure 6-7 people here are ordering this...thats why wanted to get my
>order in before i start telling about it....
>if its a nice eq now itll be nice in 2007.....

That's true - I've already said that it sounds like a good value for
the money. I just don't know why you're ordering *two* of them,
unless you're going to use both of them right away.

In 2007, you'll still be able to find either a new-in-box EQS744, or
an even newer version with more features, for the same $55-60, so it
doesn't make any sense to buy an extra one now if you're just going to
keep it as a spare.


--
Scott Gardner

"If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop diggin'."

[Scott Gardner]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:23:57 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>first..800 000 amps..next if theyre total garbage no1 will buy
>it.....soundstorm.....

80,000, 800,000, whatever. It doesn't change the fact that since the
manufacturing plant doesn't make changes to the amplifier design
itself, they're basically just making the same amp 800,000 times.
They're experts in manufacturing processes, not amplifier design. I
also never said that the mass-produced amps were "total garbage" - I
just pointed out that if they are, the offshore manufacturers can't be
counted on to improve the design, since all they do is build the damn
things.

And as someone else has already pointed out, Soundstorm is just one of
a hundred companies that pay overseas manufacturers to make products
with their logo on them. The best they can hope for is that someone
will mistake them for Soundstream.
--
Scott Gardner

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but 'That's funny..." (Isaac Asimov)

[bob wald]

some1 said why i want 2 clarion eqs...because new better stuff will come
out..i guess you saying any company that comes out with new things
theyre way better than past amps, eqs etc...1 comes to mind ppi art
series must suk compared to todays hifonics,rf etc.......

[MZ]

"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> ive come across a soundstorm and swiss audio amps..look nice......
> also i am wrestling with buying a second clarion
> eqs744 while i can get it at $85 shipped...
> also any1 know precision audio?????

And this is the type of person the state's disability checks go to?

[Scott Gardner]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:48:07 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>some1 said why i want 2 clarion eqs...because new better stuff will come
>out..i guess you saying any company that comes out with new things
>theyre way better than past amps, eqs etc...1 comes to mind ppi art
>series must suk compared to todays hifonics,rf etc.......

But the EQS744 hasn't proven itself to be a historic model, and
there's nothing to suggest that it ever will.

Buying an extra EQ to keep as a spare is like buying a spare
motherboard and CPU for your computer. By the time you need it, the
current offerings will almost certainly be faster, cheaper, and have
more features.

--
Scott Gardner

"Discordianism: Where reality is a figment of your imagination."

[bob wald]

well then scotty.i guess il be a collectors item. worth big bucks
$$$$$$$

[bob wald]

scott about prices..yes they have went down in the past but everything
does in cycles so prices should be heading up awhile...plus tey cant
keep going lower forever...

[Scott Gardner]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:17:52 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>scott about prices..yes they have went down in the past but everything
>does in cycles so prices should be heading up awhile...plus tey cant
>keep going lower forever...

Consumer electronics prices aren't cyclical - over time, the
price/performance ratio always goes down. There may be
short-duration "spikes" if there's a temporary shortage of a
particular model, but over the years, the trend is always down, never
up.

Although you're right that there is a "floor" for the price, that
"minimum price" buys you more and more power as the years go by. For
instance, we'll probably never be able to buy a complete home computer
system for less than about $250-300, but if you look at a typical $300
computer today, and compare it to a $300 system from two years ago,
that same $300 buys you a lot more power, storage, and features today
than it did in 2003.

Same with your equalizer. You may never be able to get a Clarion EQ
for less than $55, but in two years, whatever model is selling for $55
will probably include more features than the EQS744 does today.
--
Scott Gardner

"If you sleep twelve hours a day, then the deployment will only be three months long, not six!" (Navy JO saying)

[bob wald]

scott i guess in your world inflation doesnt exist...cost have always
outpaced rises in pay to the people.....

[Scott Gardner]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:26:21 -0500, (bob wald)
wrote:

>scott i guess in your world inflation doesnt exist...cost have always
>outpaced rises in pay to the people.....

I understand inflation very well. In fact, I'm the one that brought
inflation adjustments into the thread in the first place.

Even with inflation, your money goes much further today when it comes
to consumer electronics than it did in the past.

Let's use a simple example. I have a 1972 Mercedes. Looking at the
option sheet for that year, a transistorized AM/FM stereo radio was a
$228 option.

$228 in 1972 had approximately the same "buying power" as $1070 does
today, after you adjust for inflation. (Do a search on inflation and
the Consumer Price Index).

Look at what $228 got you in 1972 - an AM/FM head unit with manual
tuning, five presets, maybe five Watts total power, and two paper-cone
speakers.

Now, I don't have to tell you what you can get in a head unit for
$1071 today. In fact, you'll have a hard time spending $1071 on a
head unit at all, unless you get one that plays DVD's or has a
navigation system built-in.

And if you search for statistics on personal income adjusted for
inflation, you'll see that personal income has grown faster over the
years than inflation, not the other way around.



--
Scott Gardner

"Besides that, Mrs. Kennedy, how was your trip to Dallas?"

[Scott Gardner]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:03:46 -0700, I. Care >
wrote:

>In article >, gardners14
says...
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:26:21 -0500, (bob wald)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >scott i guess in your world inflation doesnt exist...cost have always
>> >outpaced rises in pay to the people.....
>>
>> I understand inflation very well. In fact, I'm the one that brought
>> inflation adjustments into the thread in the first place.
>>
>> Even with inflation, your money goes much further today when it comes
>> to consumer electronics than it did in the past.
>>
>> Let's use a simple example. I have a 1972 Mercedes. Looking at the
>> option sheet for that year, a transistorized AM/FM stereo radio was a
>> $228 option.
>>
>> $228 in 1972 had approximately the same "buying power" as $1070 does
>> today, after you adjust for inflation. (Do a search on inflation and
>> the Consumer Price Index).
>>
>> Look at what $228 got you in 1972 - an AM/FM head unit with manual
>> tuning, five presets, maybe five Watts total power, and two paper-cone
>> speakers.
>>
>> Now, I don't have to tell you what you can get in a head unit for
>> $1071 today. In fact, you'll have a hard time spending $1071 on a
>> head unit at all, unless you get one that plays DVD's or has a
>> navigation system built-in.
>>
>> And if you search for statistics on personal income adjusted for
>> inflation, you'll see that personal income has grown faster over the
>> years than inflation, not the other way around.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Boy I wish I could have had your job then. In 1969 I bought a new
>Mustang with vinyl roof, auto, P/S, tinted windows, 351 V8 price $3500.
>I was making $6/hr as a 2nd year apprentice in electronics. Today that
>car costs $18,000+. So the price has gone up 5X. So a 2nd year
>apprentice in that same job should be making $30/hr to keep up with
>inflation. Their wage is approx. $18/hr today. Prices went up 5X wages
>3X.
>
>Flame away :-(

No flames, although I was talking about consumer electronics in
particular, not all consumer goods. Besides, one could make the
argument that $18000 today buys a lot more Mustang than $3500 did in
1969. Again, I'm not flaming you or trying to insult Mustangs - I
have a 1972 Dodge Charger with a 440, so I'm familiar with the
capabilities and limitations of vintage musclecars. :)

Also, electronics apprentices were probably a lot scarcer in 1969 than
they are today, so that could explain why they're not making as much
today, in inflation-adjusted dollars.


--
Scott Gardner

"The nice thing about a parachute malfunction is that you literally have the rest of your life to figure it out."

[bob wald]

icare..id laugh if i didnt feel sad for the working guy......

[bob wald]

scott..theres so many things wrong with your last answer..first cars are
consumer electronics..they have stereos dont they?
next theres more of his craft cause theres more people.
next his job is just as important today as then.
you still gotta finda a good guy to do the job.
thats hard.
theres more but you tire me out fixxing your statements....

[bob wald]

scotty i know my buying 2eqs got you all upset but i'm buying 2 for
serveral reasons...1 coud break,get stolen or i could sell the car plus
i'm able to pay $55 for 2 now who knows n 5yrs i might not have $99
bucks for another 1.n have the time.i hope you can relax now....
plus ive seen this clarion selling for $99 most places n higher.....

[bob wald]

oh my god...lets go digital.com has alpine out theass! lol mrv
f545.....my hearts breaking.....

[bob wald]

lgd superstore.com

[Kirby]

umm.. Im sure if we want alpine, we know where to get it...


"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> lgd superstore.com
>

[bob wald]

well i had a tuff time finding alpine.its like finding gold.lol

[Kirby]

Actually for me, its hard to not find it.


"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> well i had a tuff time finding alpine.its like finding gold.lol
>

[bob wald]

xplod you must feel like you in heaven.....ill admit m jealous
now.....//////Alpine

[Kirby]

Well I'd like to take the time to say, I'm the first to actually make Bob
jealous.. Boy I feel proud.


"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> xplod you must feel like you in heaven.....ill admit m jealous
> now.....//////Alpine
>

[bob wald]

xplode ..well dont get too excited...i wouldnt expect some1 like you to
own alpine.

[Kirby]

I own an Alpine 4 channel amplifier from '98, as well as a 15" Type-R
woofer. Head units though, I'd never touch Alpine. I've never been a fan of
them what-so-ever. My choices for a unit were the highend Alpine
"glide-touch", the Clarion Touchscreen, or my Kenwood Excelon that I
purchased. I'm so happy I went with the Kenwood.


"bob wald" > wrote in message
...
> xplode ..well dont get too excited...i wouldnt expect some1 like you to
> own alpine.
>

[bob wald]

xplod..you picked kenwood over alpine...lol
it figures....something about kenwood always bothered me....but they
make so many speakers. the speakers must be ok....id guess they make 5x
more than alpine makes anything....
''so little time so much car audio''

[bob wald]

oh no.....my swiss audio amp....i'm not sure its rated at 400x2,4ohm
bridged....i assume that peak. i just found profile 180rms x2, 4ohm
bridged cheaper than my swiss audio....
Is swiss better than profile????
hmmmm i guess ill keep the swiss audio..i like getting high cost stuff n
showing off once in awhile.