An answer to an American fundamentalism...

[Lionel]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml

- Katrina
- New-Orleans.

What a sad answer.

[Robert Morein]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
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> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml
>
> - Katrina
> - New-Orleans.
>
> What a sad answer.

It takes a hurricane to show our weaknesses.
In France, all it takes is a little warm weather :)
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END GRATUITOUS INSULT.
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Seriously, a society is not a uniform statement of philosophy. In any state,
many attitudes can exist, in different spheres.
The failure of New Orleans was a failure of a secular bureacracy.
And yet, only secular bureacracy, either civilian or military, can deal with
a disaster of this magnitude.
Bush is to blame for creation of an incompetent bureacracy in FEMA.

France, on the other hand, has a tradition of bureacratic excellence. Your
public servants go to elite schools. Perhaps your bureaucrats are of more
uniformly high quality than ours. But this has disadvantages as well. In the
U.S., our bureacracies are far more temporary. Every four or eight years, we
demolish large parts of them. This makes possible flexible changes in public
policy.

It is my understanding that in France, the bureacracy is far more
entrenched. They are better trained, and have been in their jobs so long,
they become irreplaceable. Thus, you can have a change of government, but in
France, the new government can find it extremely difficult to change actual
public policy, since the new policy must filter through the bureacracy.

Here, the temporary nature of appointments makes this less likely, with the
notable exception of the Department of Defense. There, the jobs of
bureacracy are so complicated, the holders are immune to rapid replacement,
resulting in the "Military-Industrial Complex", as warned by Eisenhower.

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"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
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>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml
>>
>> - Katrina
>> - New-Orleans.
>>
>> What a sad answer.
>
> It takes a hurricane to show our weaknesses.
> In France, all it takes is a little warm weather :)
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> END GRATUITOUS INSULT.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Seriously, a society is not a uniform statement of philosophy. In any
> state,
> many attitudes can exist, in different spheres.
> The failure of New Orleans was a failure of a secular bureacracy.
> And yet, only secular bureacracy, either civilian or military, can deal
> with
> a disaster of this magnitude.
> Bush is to blame for creation of an incompetent bureacracy in FEMA.
>
There's plenty of blame to go around starting with Governor Blanco and
ending with the ****ing idiots who were shooting at the rescue workers.


> France, on the other hand, has a tradition of bureacratic excellence. Your
> public servants go to elite schools. Perhaps your bureaucrats are of more
> uniformly high quality than ours.

Is that where they learned to take bribes from Saddam?

>
>

[Ian S]

" > wrote in message
link.net...
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>
> There's plenty of blame to go around starting with Governor Blanco

Actually, Blanco did what she was supposed to: http://tinyurl.com/aalbz

It was President Bush who was on vacation eating birthday cake
http://tinyurl.com/bzcuj and strumming guitar http://tinyurl.com/8f9m4 for
days after the hurricane struck. I guess he was relying on his FEMA head, a
crony who had been fired from his last job as Arabian Horse Commissioner
overseeing horse shows http://tinyurl.com/dpsrt. The guy was so pathetic, he
had to pad his resume just to raise it to the level of mediocre
http://tinyurl.com/7v65l.

[Lionel]

Robert Morein a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml
>>
>>- Katrina
>>- New-Orleans.
>>
>>What a sad answer.
>
>
> It takes a hurricane to show our weaknesses.
> In France, all it takes is a little warm weather :)
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> END GRATUITOUS INSULT.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Seriously, a society is not a uniform statement of philosophy. In any state,
> many attitudes can exist, in different spheres.

This was *just* my point, Bob, only that.
Far from me the idea to accuse or to criticize an
organization that I don't know and that I don't understand.

The first time I heard from Dennis "son of bitch" Prager was
on RAO, GeoStink posted the above article.
I was just thinking that the recent tragic events in
New-Orleans were a very good answer to this presomptuous
mother****er. End of story.

> The failure of New Orleans was a failure of a secular bureacracy.
> And yet, only secular bureacracy, either civilian or military, can deal with
> a disaster of this magnitude.
> Bush is to blame for creation of an incompetent bureacracy in FEMA.
>
> France, on the other hand, has a tradition of bureacratic excellence. Your
> public servants go to elite schools. Perhaps your bureaucrats are of more
> uniformly high quality than ours. But this has disadvantages as well. In the
> U.S., our bureacracies are far more temporary. Every four or eight years, we
> demolish large parts of them. This makes possible flexible changes in public
> policy.
>
> It is my understanding that in France, the bureacracy is far more
> entrenched. They are better trained, and have been in their jobs so long,
> they become irreplaceable. Thus, you can have a change of government, but in
> France, the new government can find it extremely difficult to change actual
> public policy, since the new policy must filter through the bureacracy.
>
> Here, the temporary nature of appointments makes this less likely, with the
> notable exception of the Department of Defense. There, the jobs of
> bureacracy are so complicated, the holders are immune to rapid replacement,
> resulting in the "Military-Industrial Complex", as warned by Eisenhower.

Here in France we have had our part of bureacratic mass
murders : abestos, AIDS contaminated blood...

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Morein a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml
>>>
>>>- Katrina
>>>- New-Orleans.
>>>
>>>What a sad answer.
>>
>>
>> It takes a hurricane to show our weaknesses.
>> In France, all it takes is a little warm weather :)
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>> END GRATUITOUS INSULT.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>> Seriously, a society is not a uniform statement of philosophy. In any
>> state,
>> many attitudes can exist, in different spheres.
>
> This was *just* my point, Bob, only that.
> Far from me the idea to accuse or to criticize an organization that I
> don't know and that I don't understand.
>
> The first time I heard from Dennis "son of bitch" Prager was on RAO,
> GeoStink posted the above article.
> I was just thinking that the recent tragic events in New-Orleans were a
> very good answer to this presomptuous mother****er. End of story.
>
>> The failure of New Orleans was a failure of a secular bureacracy.
>> And yet, only secular bureacracy, either civilian or military, can deal
>> with
>> a disaster of this magnitude.
>> Bush is to blame for creation of an incompetent bureacracy in FEMA.
>>
>> France, on the other hand, has a tradition of bureacratic excellence.
>> Your
>> public servants go to elite schools. Perhaps your bureaucrats are of more
>> uniformly high quality than ours. But this has disadvantages as well. In
>> the
>> U.S., our bureacracies are far more temporary. Every four or eight years,
>> we
>> demolish large parts of them. This makes possible flexible changes in
>> public
>> policy.
>>
>> It is my understanding that in France, the bureacracy is far more
>> entrenched. They are better trained, and have been in their jobs so long,
>> they become irreplaceable. Thus, you can have a change of government, but
>> in
>> France, the new government can find it extremely difficult to change
>> actual
>> public policy, since the new policy must filter through the bureacracy.
>>
>> Here, the temporary nature of appointments makes this less likely, with
>> the
>> notable exception of the Department of Defense. There, the jobs of
>> bureacracy are so complicated, the holders are immune to rapid
>> replacement,
>> resulting in the "Military-Industrial Complex", as warned by Eisenhower.
>
> Here in France we have had our part of bureacratic mass murders : abestos,
> AIDS contaminated blood...
>
>

I hope nobody died from bad spelling
and mangled syntax.

[Lionel]

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :


> I hope nobody died from bad spelling
> and mangled syntax.

Nobody would have survived to the elementary school, you moron. :-)

[Robert Morein]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
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> Robert Morein a écrit :
> > "Lionel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml
> >>
> >>- Katrina
> >>- New-Orleans.
> >>
> >>What a sad answer.
> >
> >
> > It takes a hurricane to show our weaknesses.
> > In France, all it takes is a little warm weather :)
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > END GRATUITOUS INSULT.
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > Seriously, a society is not a uniform statement of philosophy. In any
state,
> > many attitudes can exist, in different spheres.
>
> This was *just* my point, Bob, only that.
> Far from me the idea to accuse or to criticize an
> organization that I don't know and that I don't understand.
>
Did the French go through a period of self-examination regarding the heat
wave tragedy? I would like to know what they thought.

[Lionel]

Robert Morein a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Robert Morein a écrit :
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>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml
>>>>
>>>>- Katrina
>>>>- New-Orleans.
>>>>
>>>>What a sad answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>It takes a hurricane to show our weaknesses.
>>>In France, all it takes is a little warm weather :)
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>>END GRATUITOUS INSULT.
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Seriously, a society is not a uniform statement of philosophy. In any
>
> state,
>
>>>many attitudes can exist, in different spheres.
>>
>>This was *just* my point, Bob, only that.
>>Far from me the idea to accuse or to criticize an
>>organization that I don't know and that I don't understand.
>>
>
> Did the French go through a period of self-examination regarding the heat
> wave tragedy?

Basically the situation was the same than today in USA.
Political vicious revenges, hunting for guilty... Fired fuses.
Like in New Orleans



I would like to know what they thought.

[Robert Morein]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
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> Robert Morein a écrit :
> > "Lionel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Robert Morein a écrit :
> >>
> >>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml
> >>>>
> >>>>- Katrina
> >>>>- New-Orleans.
> >>>>
> >>>>What a sad answer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>It takes a hurricane to show our weaknesses.
> >>>In France, all it takes is a little warm weather :)
> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>END GRATUITOUS INSULT.
> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>Seriously, a society is not a uniform statement of philosophy. In any
> >
> > state,
> >
> >>>many attitudes can exist, in different spheres.
> >>
> >>This was *just* my point, Bob, only that.
> >>Far from me the idea to accuse or to criticize an
> >>organization that I don't know and that I don't understand.
> >>
> >
> > Did the French go through a period of self-examination regarding the
heat
> > wave tragedy?
>
> Basically the situation was the same than today in USA.
> Political vicious revenges, hunting for guilty... Fired fuses.
> Like in New Orleans
>
Am I correct that the French bureacracy come from elite schools?
Would it be impossible for someone underqualified like FEMA head Michael
Brown to obtain that type of position?

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
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> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>
>> I hope nobody died from bad spelling
>> and mangled syntax.
>
> Nobody would have survived to the elementary school, you moron. :-)

I agree, you are proof that at least one person did not.

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>
>>
>>
>>>I hope nobody died from bad spelling
>>>and mangled syntax.
>>
>>Nobody would have survived to the elementary school, you moron. :-)
>
>
> I agree, you are proof that at least one person did not.

"Sackman, haven't you learned yet that such exceedingly lame
IKYABWIHs only serve to reinforce the Mickey-like facet of
your persona?"

/George Minus Middius/

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
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>
> "Sackman, haven't you learned yet that such exceedingly lame IKYABWIHs
> only serve to reinforce the Mickey-like facet of your persona?"
>

Sorry, I am not as up on Ayn Rand as I need to be.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > "[snip IKYABWAI target], haven't you learned yet that such exceedingly lame IKYABWIHs
> > only serve to reinforce the Mickey-like facet of your persona?"

> Sorry, I am not as up on Ayn Rand as I need to be.

Please tell Slut she owes me $18 for the unauthorized use of my
intellectual property.(1)



(1) as defined by Gregipus

[Lionel]

George Minus Middius a écrit :


> my intellectual

LOL !