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Michael Mckelvy

September 12th 03, 07:33 PM

From: "dave weil" >
Subject: Re: RIP Johnny Cash
Date: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:27 AM

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:14:15 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:54:00 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >The Man In Black caught the Orange Blossom Special to parts unknown. He
>> >leaves behind a wealth of of musical heritage. He was a genuine
original.
>>
>> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.
>
>I am unaware of his musical contributions.

His daddy was an influence on Mr. Cash.

(since you seem to want to play along)

I wasn't playing you were. I simply tried to pay my respects to a great
artist. I can only assume that because it came from me, you chose to make a
snide comment in response.

Michael Mckelvy

September 12th 03, 11:20 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:33:30 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >From: "dave weil" >
> >Subject: Re: RIP Johnny Cash
> >Date: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:27 AM
> >
> >On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:14:15 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:54:00 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >The Man In Black caught the Orange Blossom Special to parts unknown.
He
> >>> >leaves behind a wealth of of musical heritage. He was a genuine
> >original.
> >>>
> >>> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.
> >>
> >>I am unaware of his musical contributions.
> >
> >His daddy was an influence on Mr. Cash.
> >
> >(since you seem to want to play along)
> >
> >I wasn't playing you were.
>
> I don't know what this game "you were" is, but I'm glad that you
> aren't playing it, because it sounds scary.
>
> >I simply tried to pay my respects to a great
> >artist. I can only assume that because it came from me, you chose to
make a
> >snide comment in response.
>
> For once, your assumption is correct.
>
You have a lot of class, unfortunately it's all 2nd.

> However, I'd characterize it more as an ironic comment than a snide
> one.
>
> YMMV.

I'll go with my first impression, since it was you who chose to muck up an
oterwise respectful post about a great American artist.

dave weil

September 13th 03, 07:07 AM

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:20:19 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:33:30 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >From: "dave weil" >
>> >Subject: Re: RIP Johnny Cash
>> >Date: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:27 AM
>> >
>> >On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:14:15 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>"dave weil" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:54:00 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >The Man In Black caught the Orange Blossom Special to parts unknown.
>He
>> >>> >leaves behind a wealth of of musical heritage. He was a genuine
>> >original.
>> >>>
>> >>> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.
>> >>
>> >>I am unaware of his musical contributions.
>> >
>> >His daddy was an influence on Mr. Cash.
>> >
>> >(since you seem to want to play along)
>> >
>> >I wasn't playing you were.
>>
>> I don't know what this game "you were" is, but I'm glad that you
>> aren't playing it, because it sounds scary.
>>
>> >I simply tried to pay my respects to a great
>> >artist. I can only assume that because it came from me, you chose to
>make a
>> >snide comment in response.
>>
>> For once, your assumption is correct.
>>
>You have a lot of class, unfortunately it's all 2nd.
>
>> However, I'd characterize it more as an ironic comment than a snide
>> one.
>>
>> YMMV.
>
>I'll go with my first impression, since it was you who chose to muck up an
>oterwise respectful post about a great American artist.

Oh, **** off Mike, you sanctimonious little ****.

dave weil

September 13th 03, 07:07 AM

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:41:25 -0400, "Sockpuppet Yustabe"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:54:00 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >The Man In Black caught the Orange Blossom Special to parts unknown. He
>> >leaves behind a wealth of of musical heritage. He was a genuine original.
>>
>> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.
>
>NO!
>
>You are right on many times, but wrong here.
>John Riter is a relative also ran in the world of comedy.
>Think of all the greats.
>He doesn't come close.

Uuuummmm Art, it was an ironic comment...

GeoSynch

September 13th 03, 10:11 AM

dave weil wrote:

> >> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.

> >NO!

> >You are right on many times, but wrong here.
> >John Riter is a relative also ran in the world of comedy.
> >Think of all the greats.
> >He doesn't come close.

> Uuuummmm Art, it was an ironic comment...

Uh, dave, Art was replying on behalf of the sactimonius little ...

GeoSynch

Sockpuppet Yustabe

September 13th 03, 05:50 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:41:25 -0400, "Sockpuppet Yustabe"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:54:00 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Man In Black caught the Orange Blossom Special to parts unknown.
He
> >> >leaves behind a wealth of of musical heritage. He was a genuine
original.
> >>
> >> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.
> >
> >NO!
> >
> >You are right on many times, but wrong here.
> >John Riter is a relative also ran in the world of comedy.
> >Think of all the greats.
> >He doesn't come close.
>
> Uuuummmm Art, it was an ironic comment...\

Glad to her that.

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Sockpuppet Yustabe

September 13th 03, 05:51 PM

"GeoSynch" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> dave weil wrote:
>
> > >> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.
>
> > >NO!
>
> > >You are right on many times, but wrong here.
> > >John Riter is a relative also ran in the world of comedy.
> > >Think of all the greats.
> > >He doesn't come close.
>
> > Uuuummmm Art, it was an ironic comment...
>
> Uh, dave, Art was replying on behalf of the sactimonius little ...
>

The sanctimonious little **** can wipe his own ass.

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Michael Mckelvy

September 14th 03, 12:01 AM

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:20:19 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:33:30 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >From: "dave weil" >
> >> >Subject: Re: RIP Johnny Cash
> >> >Date: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:27 AM
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:14:15 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>"dave weil" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:54:00 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >The Man In Black caught the Orange Blossom Special to parts
unknown.
> >He
> >> >>> >leaves behind a wealth of of musical heritage. He was a genuine
> >> >original.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.
> >> >>
> >> >>I am unaware of his musical contributions.
> >> >
> >> >His daddy was an influence on Mr. Cash.
> >> >
> >> >(since you seem to want to play along)
> >> >
> >> >I wasn't playing you were.
> >>
> >> I don't know what this game "you were" is, but I'm glad that you
> >> aren't playing it, because it sounds scary.
> >>
> >> >I simply tried to pay my respects to a great
> >> >artist. I can only assume that because it came from me, you chose to
> >make a
> >> >snide comment in response.
> >>
> >> For once, your assumption is correct.
> >>
> >You have a lot of class, unfortunately it's all 2nd.
> >
> >> However, I'd characterize it more as an ironic comment than a snide
> >> one.
> >>
> >> YMMV.
> >
> >I'll go with my first impression, since it was you who chose to muck up
an
> >oterwise respectful post about a great American artist.
>
> Oh, **** off Mike, you sanctimonious little ****.

Likewise, you disrespectful pile of ****.

Myth

September 14th 03, 11:19 AM

"dave weil" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:01:38 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:20:19 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"dave weil" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:33:30 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >From: "dave weil" >
> >> >> >Subject: Re: RIP Johnny Cash
> >> >> >Date: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:27 AM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:14:15 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>"dave weil" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:54:00 -0700, "Michael Mckelvy"
> >> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> >The Man In Black caught the Orange Blossom Special to parts
> >unknown.
> >> >He
> >> >> >>> >leaves behind a wealth of of musical heritage. He was a genuine
> >> >> >original.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> But this pales in importance to the death of John Ritter.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I am unaware of his musical contributions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >His daddy was an influence on Mr. Cash.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >(since you seem to want to play along)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I wasn't playing you were.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know what this game "you were" is, but I'm glad that you
> >> >> aren't playing it, because it sounds scary.
> >> >>
> >> >> >I simply tried to pay my respects to a great
> >> >> >artist. I can only assume that because it came from me, you chose
to
> >> >make a
> >> >> >snide comment in response.
> >> >>
> >> >> For once, your assumption is correct.
> >> >>
> >> >You have a lot of class, unfortunately it's all 2nd.
> >> >
> >> >> However, I'd characterize it more as an ironic comment than a snide
> >> >> one.
> >> >>
> >> >> YMMV.
> >> >
> >> >I'll go with my first impression, since it was you who chose to muck
up
> >an
> >> >oterwise respectful post about a great American artist.
> >>
> >> Oh, **** off Mike, you sanctimonious little ****.
> >
> >Likewise, you disrespectful pile of ****.
>
> <s******>
>
> I'll bet you haven't even listened to Johnny Cash in years.

What a ridicioulus tread, but there's all the reason in the world to have
been listening to his output over the several last years, "American
Recordings" vol. 1, 2, 3 & 4, americana at it's best

dave weil

September 14th 03, 02:55 PM

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:19:13 +0200, "Myth" >
wrote:

>
>What a ridicioulus tread, but there's all the reason in the world to have
>been listening to his output over the several last years, "American
>Recordings" vol. 1, 2, 3 & 4, americana at it's best

Yes, for people with demonstrated tastes, that would be true.

Why, I was listening to my vinyl copy of The Fabulous Johnny Cash just
a week ago. That was his first Columbia album, you know.

I also listened to Vol. 1 & 4 several times in the last month (the
first being my vinyl copy and the second being a CD copy that I
borrowed, because I haven't gotten around to buying it yet).

Living 4 miles from Baptist Hospital, where Mr. Cash and his wife
passed away, gives a peculiar resonance to his passing that is shared
with my fellow Nashvillians. The fact that I don't have to shed
crocodile tears might be seen as callousness, but I can guarantee you
that his passing is a pretty profound event for me, for Nashville and
for the world at large.

Digging at Mr. McKelvy, I would argue, is a worthwhile venture. You
should try it sometime after you get familiar with his output around
here. Sometimes "gallows humor" is called for. I'm sure that Johnny
doesn't mind.

Myth

September 14th 03, 03:26 PM

"dave weil" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:19:13 +0200, "Myth" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >What a ridicioulus tread, but there's all the reason in the world to have
> >been listening to his output over the several last years, "American
> >Recordings" vol. 1, 2, 3 & 4, americana at it's best
>
> Yes, for people with demonstrated tastes, that would be true.
>
> Why, I was listening to my vinyl copy of The Fabulous Johnny Cash just
> a week ago. That was his first Columbia album, you know.
>
> I also listened to Vol. 1 & 4 several times in the last month (the
> first being my vinyl copy and the second being a CD copy that I
> borrowed, because I haven't gotten around to buying it yet).
>
> Living 4 miles from Baptist Hospital, where Mr. Cash and his wife
> passed away, gives a peculiar resonance to his passing that is shared
> with my fellow Nashvillians. The fact that I don't have to shed
> crocodile tears might be seen as callousness, but I can guarantee you
> that his passing is a pretty profound event for me, for Nashville and
> for the world at large.
>
> Digging at Mr. McKelvy, I would argue, is a worthwhile venture. You
> should try it sometime after you get familiar with his output around
> here. Sometimes "gallows humor" is called for. I'm sure that Johnny
> doesn't mind.

At present my favourite Cash album is "Trail of Bitter Tears - Ballads of
the American Indian", a record that landed JC in all kinds of trouble
because of it's Lyrics written by one Pete LaFarge, a native American. I
found it in exelent condition in a Salvation Army bin 6 months ago, and if
you don't know it, check it out.

dave weil

September 14th 03, 03:59 PM

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:26:54 +0200, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:19:13 +0200, "Myth" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >What a ridicioulus tread, but there's all the reason in the world to have
>> >been listening to his output over the several last years, "American
>> >Recordings" vol. 1, 2, 3 & 4, americana at it's best
>>
>> Yes, for people with demonstrated tastes, that would be true.
>>
>> Why, I was listening to my vinyl copy of The Fabulous Johnny Cash just
>> a week ago. That was his first Columbia album, you know.
>>
>> I also listened to Vol. 1 & 4 several times in the last month (the
>> first being my vinyl copy and the second being a CD copy that I
>> borrowed, because I haven't gotten around to buying it yet).
>>
>> Living 4 miles from Baptist Hospital, where Mr. Cash and his wife
>> passed away, gives a peculiar resonance to his passing that is shared
>> with my fellow Nashvillians. The fact that I don't have to shed
>> crocodile tears might be seen as callousness, but I can guarantee you
>> that his passing is a pretty profound event for me, for Nashville and
>> for the world at large.
>>
>> Digging at Mr. McKelvy, I would argue, is a worthwhile venture. You
>> should try it sometime after you get familiar with his output around
>> here. Sometimes "gallows humor" is called for. I'm sure that Johnny
>> doesn't mind.
>
>At present my favourite Cash album is "Trail of Bitter Tears - Ballads of
>the American Indian", a record that landed JC in all kinds of trouble
>because of it's Lyrics written by one Pete LaFarge, a native American. I
>found it in exelent condition in a Salvation Army bin 6 months ago, and if
>you don't know it, check it out.

I've never heard that one. Thanks for the suggestion. I remember
something about a controversy years ago regarding Indians. Maybe this
was it.

I will say that his recent health problems had gotten me thinking of
all of the great Cash albums that I needed to get. The only other two
JC albums that I have are I Walk The Line, which I listened to about
two months ago (I seem to need to hear Hey Porter a couple of times a
year) and the San Quentin album, which regrettably, I haven't listen
toin a couple of years. But that's going to be rectified.

PS, all of the Cash albums are on vinyl although I own a CD copy of
the 1st American Recordings album in addition to the vinyl copy.

dave weil

September 14th 03, 05:06 PM

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:23:34 +0200, "Myth" >
wrote:

>This is definetly not "John Wayne territory", with songs like "General
>Custer Don't Ride So Well No More", well it's actually just called "Custer"
>but that'll give you an idea about the direction of the songs. JC caught
>seven kinds of hell over that record, blaclisted on the southern stations,
>almost thrown out of the Country Music Association ect, ect. He took out a
>fullpage add in "Billboard", basically saying that he didn't care, and
>ending the letter:
>"But as an American who is almost a half-breed Cherokee-Mohawk (and who
>knows what else ?) - I had to fight back when I realized that so many
>stations are afraid of "Ira Hayes".
>Just one question : WHY ???"

Ahhhh yes, Ira Hayes brings it all back. I *do* remember all of that.

>Take care,
>Tom
>
>P.S. Check out Ira Hays on the net if you don't know about him.
>P.P.S. Love vinyl too, not just for the sound but also for cover, handling
>and overall "aura", but don't tell the "digital chauvinists" ;-)

Agreed with the above. I happen to think that there's more than
utility to hobbies.

Michael Mckelvy

September 15th 03, 01:32 AM

"Myth" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "dave weil" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
> > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:26:54 +0200, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"dave weil" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> > >> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:19:13 +0200, "Myth"
>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >What a ridicioulus tread, but there's all the reason in the world to
> have
> > >> >been listening to his output over the several last years, "American
> > >> >Recordings" vol. 1, 2, 3 & 4, americana at it's best
> > >>
> > >> Yes, for people with demonstrated tastes, that would be true.
> > >>
> > >> Why, I was listening to my vinyl copy of The Fabulous Johnny Cash
just
> > >> a week ago. That was his first Columbia album, you know.
> > >>
> > >> I also listened to Vol. 1 & 4 several times in the last month (the
> > >> first being my vinyl copy and the second being a CD copy that I
> > >> borrowed, because I haven't gotten around to buying it yet).
> > >>
> > >> Living 4 miles from Baptist Hospital, where Mr. Cash and his wife
> > >> passed away, gives a peculiar resonance to his passing that is shared
> > >> with my fellow Nashvillians. The fact that I don't have to shed
> > >> crocodile tears might be seen as callousness, but I can guarantee you
> > >> that his passing is a pretty profound event for me, for Nashville and
> > >> for the world at large.
> > >>
> > >> Digging at Mr. McKelvy, I would argue, is a worthwhile venture. You
> > >> should try it sometime after you get familiar with his output around
> > >> here. Sometimes "gallows humor" is called for. I'm sure that Johnny
> > >> doesn't mind.
> > >
> > >At present my favourite Cash album is "Trail of Bitter Tears - Ballads
of
> > >the American Indian", a record that landed JC in all kinds of trouble
> > >because of it's Lyrics written by one Pete LaFarge, a native American.
I
> > >found it in exelent condition in a Salvation Army bin 6 months ago, and
> if
> > >you don't know it, check it out.
> >
> > I've never heard that one. Thanks for the suggestion. I remember
> > something about a controversy years ago regarding Indians. Maybe this
> > was it.
> >
> > I will say that his recent health problems had gotten me thinking of
> > all of the great Cash albums that I needed to get. The only other two
> > JC albums that I have are I Walk The Line, which I listened to about
> > two months ago (I seem to need to hear Hey Porter a couple of times a
> > year) and the San Quentin album, which regrettably, I haven't listen
> > toin a couple of years. But that's going to be rectified.
> >
> > PS, all of the Cash albums are on vinyl although I own a CD copy of
> > the 1st American Recordings album in addition to the vinyl copy.
> >
> This is definetly not "John Wayne territory", with songs like "General
> Custer Don't Ride So Well No More", well it's actually just called
"Custer"
> but that'll give you an idea about the direction of the songs. JC caught
> seven kinds of hell over that record, blaclisted on the southern stations,
> almost thrown out of the Country Music Association ect, ect. He took out a
> fullpage add in "Billboard", basically saying that he didn't care, and
> ending the letter:
> "But as an American who is almost a half-breed Cherokee-Mohawk (and who
> knows what else ?) - I had to fight back when I realized that so many
> stations are afraid of "Ira Hayes".
> Just one question : WHY ???"
>
> Take care,
> Tom
>
> P.S. Check out Ira Hays on the net if you don't know about him.

Truly sad about Ira. Helped raise the flag on Iwo Jima and died from
drowning in a mud puddle after an awful period of non adjustment back in the
states due in no small part to his American Indian heritage.

I don't use the term Native American because that term is an inventory term
invented by the government and none of the Indians I know ever use it. YMMV

> P.P.S. Love vinyl too, not just for the sound but also for cover, handling
> and overall "aura", but don't tell the "digital chauvinists" ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sockpuppet Yustabe

September 15th 03, 06:01 AM

"Michael Mckelvy" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Truly sad about Ira. Helped raise the flag on Iwo Jima and died from
> drowning in a mud puddle after an awful period of non adjustment back in
the
> states due in no small part to his American Indian heritage.
>

Nonsense, unless you are referring to the increased propensity
of American Indians succumbing to the disease of
alcoholism.

At any rate, his heritage would not be the cause of social maladjustment.
However, his inability to deal with the prejudice and other ramifications
of being an American Indian in American society would be a cause.
Some American Indians have demonstrated the ability to deal with those
obstacles and others have not.

It is incorrect to ascribe one's heritage as a cause of maladjustment.

You probably konw this already, and I would chalk up your error
to bad writing skills. You've been following Krueger too closely, as of
late.

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Myth

September 15th 03, 09:01 AM

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
>
> "Michael Mckelvy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Truly sad about Ira. Helped raise the flag on Iwo Jima and died from
> > drowning in a mud puddle after an awful period of non adjustment back in
> the
> > states due in no small part to his American Indian heritage.
> >
>
> Nonsense, unless you are referring to the increased propensity
> of American Indians succumbing to the disease of
> alcoholism.
>
> At any rate, his heritage would not be the cause of social maladjustment.
> However, his inability to deal with the prejudice and other ramifications
> of being an American Indian in American society would be a cause.
> Some American Indians have demonstrated the ability to deal with those
> obstacles and others have not.
>
> It is incorrect to ascribe one's heritage as a cause of maladjustment.
>
> You probably konw this already, and I would chalk up your error
> to bad writing skills. You've been following Krueger too closely, as of
> late.
>
>
As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
American/American Indian is, for future reference

Bob Morein

September 15th 03, 10:42 AM

On 15/9/03 6:01 PM, in article ,
"Myth" > wrote:

> As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> American/American Indian is, for future reference

"Drunkard" or "Wino" are the preferred nomenclature.

Myth

September 15th 03, 10:52 AM

"Bob Morein" > skrev i en meddelelse
ws.com...
> On 15/9/03 6:01 PM, in article
,
> "Myth" > wrote:
>
> > As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> > American/American Indian is, for future reference
>
> "Drunkard" or "Wino" are the preferred nomenclature.
>
????????? Is this supossed to be funny ?????????????

Lionel

September 15th 03, 11:39 AM

Myth a écrit :
> "Bob Morein" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ws.com...
>
>>On 15/9/03 6:01 PM, in article
>
> ,
>
>>"Myth" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
>>>American/American Indian is, for future reference
>>
>>"Drunkard" or "Wino" are the preferred nomenclature.
>>
>
> ????????? Is this supossed to be funny ?????????????
>
>
Sadly no !

George M. Middius

September 15th 03, 01:12 PM

Myth said:

> As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> American/American Indian is, for future reference

That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.

trotsky

September 15th 03, 01:17 PM

George M. Middius wrote:

>
> Myth said:
>
>
> >As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> >American/American Indian is, for future reference
>
>
> That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.
>

No comment on Bob Morion's horse**** response, then?

George M. Middius

September 15th 03, 01:30 PM

trotsky said:

> > >As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> > >American/American Indian is, for future reference

> > That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.

> No comment on Bob Morion's horse**** response, then?

trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
Americans as "horse****".

trotsky

September 15th 03, 01:43 PM

George M. Middius wrote:

>
> trotsky said:
>
>
> >>>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> >>>American/American Indian is, for future reference
>
>
> >>That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.
>
>
>
> >No comment on Bob Morion's horse**** response, then?
>
>
> trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
> Americans as "horse****".

Hey, at least they don't congregate in ****** piles. On another note, I
don't see Krueger around. Did that borg campaign finally come to fruition?

Lionel

September 15th 03, 01:50 PM

trotsky a écrit :
> George M. Middius wrote:
>
>>
>> trotsky said:
>>
>>
>> >>>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
>> >>>American/American Indian is, for future reference
>>
>>
>> >>That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.
>>
>>
>>
>> >No comment on Bob Morion's horse**** response, then?
>>
>>
>> trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
>> Americans as "horse****".
>
>
>
> Hey, at least they don't congregate in ****** piles. On another note, I
> don't see Krueger around. Did that borg campaign finally come to fruition?
>

I replace him to spank you big fat bottom...

dave weil

September 15th 03, 02:07 PM

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:52:37 +0200, "Myth" >
wrote:

>
>"Bob Morein" > skrev i en meddelelse
ws.com...
>> On 15/9/03 6:01 PM, in article
,
>> "Myth" > wrote:
>>
>> > As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
>> > American/American Indian is, for future reference
>>
>> "Drunkard" or "Wino" are the preferred nomenclature.
>>
>????????? Is this supossed to be funny ?????????????

If you're Brian McCarty, a noted racist who currently lives in
Australia, it certainly is.

That wasn't from Mr. Morein.

Brian has a long history of dissing Jews, so this doesn't come as any
surprise.

Myth

September 15th 03, 02:19 PM

"dave weil" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:43:30 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>
> >George M. Middius wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> trotsky said:
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> >> >>>American/American Indian is, for future reference
> >>
> >>
> >> >>That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >No comment on Bob Morion's horse**** response, then?
> >>
> >>
> >> trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
> >> Americans as "horse****".
> >
> >
> >Hey, at least they don't congregate in ****** piles. On another note, I
> >don't see Krueger around. Did that borg campaign finally come to
fruition?
>
> He's on vacation. I suggest that we enjoy it while it lasts and just
> forget about him for a week.

Exept for a disgusting racist uttering nobody has offered an answer to my
question. Maybe that doesn't matter, me getting an anwer, but in general it
seems like a post will survive a max of 5 re : whatever, before the whole
thing degenerates into yet another flamefiesta.

Lionel

September 15th 03, 02:20 PM

dave weil a écrit :
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:52:37 +0200, "Myth" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Bob Morein" > skrev i en meddelelse
ws.com...
>>
>>>On 15/9/03 6:01 PM, in article
>>
,
>>
>>>"Myth" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
>>>>American/American Indian is, for future reference
>>>
>>>"Drunkard" or "Wino" are the preferred nomenclature.
>>>
>>
>>????????? Is this supossed to be funny ?????????????
>
>
> If you're Brian McCarty, a noted racist who currently lives in
> Australia, it certainly is.
>
> That wasn't from Mr. Morein.
>
> Brian has a long history of dissing Jews, so this doesn't come as any
> surprise.

Well done Dave. ;-)

Lionel

September 15th 03, 02:23 PM

Myth a écrit :
> "dave weil" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:43:30 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>George M. Middius wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>trotsky said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
>>>>>>>American/American Indian is, for future reference
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>No comment on Bob Morion's horse**** response, then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
>>>>Americans as "horse****".
>>>
>>>
>>>Hey, at least they don't congregate in ****** piles. On another note, I
>>>don't see Krueger around. Did that borg campaign finally come to
>
> fruition?
>
>>He's on vacation. I suggest that we enjoy it while it lasts and just
>>forget about him for a week.
>
>
> Exept for a disgusting racist uttering nobody has offered an answer to my
> question. Maybe that doesn't matter, me getting an anwer, but in general it
> seems like a post will survive a max of 5 re : whatever, before the whole
> thing degenerates into yet another flamefiesta.
>
>
If Krueger is on holiday this one will perhaps survive 10 re ! :o)

George M. Middius

September 15th 03, 02:41 PM

trotsky said:

> > trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
> > Americans as "horse****".

> Hey, at least they don't congregate in ****** piles. On another note, I
> don't see Krueger around. Did that borg campaign finally come to fruition?

Now that you've admitted Krooger is your own personal sockpuppet,
it's a little ****ed to be asking other people to explain Mr. ****'s
whereabouts, don't you think?

dave weil

September 15th 03, 03:25 PM

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:19:12 +0200, "Myth" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:43:30 GMT, trotsky > wrote:
>>
>> >George M. Middius wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> trotsky said:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
>> >> >>>American/American Indian is, for future reference
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >No comment on Bob Morion's horse**** response, then?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
>> >> Americans as "horse****".
>> >
>> >
>> >Hey, at least they don't congregate in ****** piles. On another note, I
>> >don't see Krueger around. Did that borg campaign finally come to
>fruition?
>>
>> He's on vacation. I suggest that we enjoy it while it lasts and just
>> forget about him for a week.
>
>Exept for a disgusting racist uttering nobody has offered an answer to my
>question. Maybe that doesn't matter, me getting an anwer, but in general it
>seems like a post will survive a max of 5 re : whatever, before the whole
>thing degenerates into yet another flamefiesta.

To answer your original question, regardless of what Mr. McKelvy said,
Native American is entirely appropriate. You can also say Indian, or
American Indian. You should *not* however, refer to an Indian male as
"Chief" or a female as "Squaw" unless you want a punch in the nose.

S888Wheel

September 15th 03, 03:32 PM

>
>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
>American/American Indian is, for future reference
>

native American is the prefered term.

Myth

September 15th 03, 03:44 PM

"S888Wheel" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> >
> >As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> >American/American Indian is, for future reference
> >
>
> native American is the prefered term.

Thanks Dave and s888wheel
Take care,
Tom

trotsky

September 15th 03, 04:32 PM

dave weil wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:43:30 GMT, trotsky wrote:
>
>
> >George M. Middius wrote:
> >
> >
> >>trotsky said:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> >>>>>American/American Indian is, for future reference
> >>
> >>
> >>>>That is trotsky's department. Please ask him.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>No comment on Bob Morion's horse**** response, then?
> >>
> >>
> >>trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
> >>Americans as "horse****".
> >
> >
> >Hey, at least they don't congregate in ****** piles. On another note, I
> >don't see Krueger around. Did that borg campaign finally come to
> fruition?
>
>
> He's on vacation. I suggest that we enjoy it while it lasts and just
> forget about him for a week.

Is he on Isle Royale in Michigan, with hopefully another opportunity for
him to be eaten by bears?

trotsky

September 15th 03, 04:34 PM

George M. Middius wrote:

>
> trotsky said:
>
>
> >>trostky has pronounced the answer. You are to refer to native
> >>Americans as "horse****".
>
>
>
> >Hey, at least they don't congregate in ****** piles. On another note, I
> >don't see Krueger around. Did that borg campaign finally come to
> fruition?
>
>
> Now that you've admitted Krooger is your own personal sockpuppet,
> it's a little ****ed to be asking other people to explain Mr. ****'s
> whereabouts, don't you think?

You imagine me admitting to sockpuppets, but can't admit to your own?
That's gotta be a little rough.

George M. Middius

September 15th 03, 04:39 PM

trotsky said:

> > Now that you've admitted Krooger is your own personal sockpuppet,
> > it's a little ****ed to be asking other people to explain Mr. ****'s
> > whereabouts, don't you think?

> You imagine me admitting to sockpuppets, but can't admit to your own?
> That's gotta be a little rough.

Was that you defending Bwian Mc****head? I suppose his racism
complements your sexism and gynephobia. Did you two bond at Weight
Watchers?

Lionel

September 15th 03, 04:47 PM

George M. Middius a écrit :
>
> trotsky said:
>
>
>>>Now that you've admitted Krooger is your own personal sockpuppet,
>>>it's a little ****ed to be asking other people to explain Mr. ****'s
>>>whereabouts, don't you think?
>
>
>
>>You imagine me admitting to sockpuppets, but can't admit to your own?
>>That's gotta be a little rough.
>
>
> Was that you defending Bwian Mc****head? I suppose his racism
> complements your sexism and gynephobia. Did you two bond at Weight
> Watchers?
>
>
>
Hey Georgetta,
Try to tell him singing he we'll better understand !
I tell you that Georgetta, you're a marvellous Divà.

Michael Mckelvy

September 15th 03, 11:33 PM

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Michael Mckelvy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Truly sad about Ira. Helped raise the flag on Iwo Jima and died from
> > drowning in a mud puddle after an awful period of non adjustment back in
> the
> > states due in no small part to his American Indian heritage.
> >
>
> Nonsense, unless you are referring to the increased propensity
> of American Indians succumbing to the disease of
> alcoholism.
>
> At any rate, his heritage would not be the cause of social maladjustment.
> However, his inability to deal with the prejudice and other ramifications
> of being an American Indian in American society would be a cause.

Which is what I meant to say.

> Some American Indians have demonstrated the ability to deal with those
> obstacles and others have not.
>
> It is incorrect to ascribe one's heritage as a cause of maladjustment.
>
> You probably konw this already, and I would chalk up your error
> to bad writing skills. You've been following Krueger too closely, as of
> late.
>
>
>
>
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Michael Mckelvy

September 16th 03, 11:51 PM

"Myth" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
> >
> > "Michael Mckelvy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Truly sad about Ira. Helped raise the flag on Iwo Jima and died from
> > > drowning in a mud puddle after an awful period of non adjustment back
in
> > the
> > > states due in no small part to his American Indian heritage.
> > >
> >
> > Nonsense, unless you are referring to the increased propensity
> > of American Indians succumbing to the disease of
> > alcoholism.
> >
> > At any rate, his heritage would not be the cause of social
maladjustment.
> > However, his inability to deal with the prejudice and other
ramifications
> > of being an American Indian in American society would be a cause.
> > Some American Indians have demonstrated the ability to deal with those
> > obstacles and others have not.
> >
> > It is incorrect to ascribe one's heritage as a cause of maladjustment.
> >
> > You probably konw this already, and I would chalk up your error
> > to bad writing skills. You've been following Krueger too closely, as of
> > late.
> >
> >
> As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> American/American Indian is, for future reference
>
>
Depends on who you ask. Most Indians refer to themselves as Indians.
Perhaps they are aware that Columbus didn't believe he was in India as has
often been misrepresented. He actually referred to them as In Dios, (not
sure of the spelling) but inmeans "of God."

If you ask someone trying to be politicly correct they will likely say
Native American but that is an imprecise term at best that includes Pacific
Islanders, Eskimos, and others.

As I stated, I've never heard or met any American Idians who referred to
themselves as anything other than Indians.

Michael Mckelvy

September 16th 03, 11:52 PM

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> >American/American Indian is, for future reference
> >
>
> native American is the prefered term.

Not by the Indians.

S888Wheel

September 17th 03, 01:11 AM

<<
> >As a Dane I would like to know what the correct term for Native
> >American/American Indian is, for future reference
> >
>
> native American is the prefered term.
>>

Mike said

<<
Not by the Indians.

>>

Have they done any polls on the subject in India?

S888Wheel

September 17th 03, 01:20 AM

Mike said

<<
Depends on who you ask. >>

Obviously. no group of people are of a single mind.

Mike said

<< Most Indians refer to themselves as Indians. >>

News to me.

mike said

<<
If you ask someone trying to be politicly correct they will likely say
Native American but that is an imprecise term at best that includes Pacific
Islanders, Eskimos, and others.
>>

It does include Eskimos. It does not include pacific islanders. It isn't so
much imprecise as it is a broad term for a broad group of people just as
calling people from Europe European is broad but not imprecise.

Mike said

<<
As I stated, I've never heard or met any American Idians who referred to
themselves as anything other than Indians.
>>

I certainly have and I actually know many native Americans. The ones I know
usually specify their tribe but when they talk about issues they usually refer
to themselves as native American. Every native American with whom I have
discussed this issue find the term Indian to either be degrading or simply too
inacurate.