Congrats France

[ScottW]

Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution. No good will come
from a government 3 steps removed from the people.

ScottW

[Lionel]

ScottW a écrit :

> Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution.

Are you really that stupid or do you occasionally force your
talent ? ;-)

[Schizoid Man]

"ScottW" > wrote in message

> Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution. No good will come
> from a government 3 steps removed from the people.

More Republican propaganda? Perhaps you should try and learn why France
rejected it, instead of jumping to your own conclusions. If anything, the
constitution aimed at reducing the beaucracy that kept various governments
"3 steps removed from the people."

If you'd like, here's a quick summary: to punish the incumbents for weak
growth, stagnant economies, inflation, unemployment... you know the drill.
The very same reason that Le Pen was riding a crest of surging popularity
two and a half years ago.

The biggest change - having a joint EU foreign minister - was pointless in
any case since the foreign policies of Italy an Britain were in direct
conflict to those of France, Germany and post-election Spain.

The blow is more symbolic than practical.

[Lionel]

In >, Schizoid Man wrote :

>
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
>> Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution. No good will come
>> from a government 3 steps removed from the people.
>
> More Republican propaganda?

Exactly, Scott's political thought is superficial and self-centered.
He isn't interested in Europe. Here his *only* motivation is rancor.

> Perhaps you should try and learn why France
> rejected it, instead of jumping to your own conclusions. If anything, the
> constitution aimed at reducing the beaucracy that kept various governments
> "3 steps removed from the people."
>
> If you'd like, here's a quick summary: to punish the incumbents for weak
> growth, stagnant economies, inflation, unemployment... you know the drill.


The main reason is governants' contemptuousness.


> The very same reason that Le Pen was riding a crest of surging popularity
> two and a half years ago.


Since there's no difference between Le Pen and G.W Bush I'm afraid that
ScottW will not understand your point. :-(


> The biggest change - having a joint EU foreign minister - was pointless in
> any case since the foreign policies of Italy an Britain were in direct
> conflict to those of France, Germany and post-election Spain.
>
> The blow is more symbolic than practical.

[ScottW]

Schizoid Man wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
> > Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution. No good will come
> > from a government 3 steps removed from the people.
>
> More Republican propaganda?

Republicans seem as much in favor of a new world order as anyone.

>Perhaps you should try and learn why France
> rejected it, instead of jumping to your own conclusions.

I did and for once, I agree with the people. The EU was a bad deal
destined to get worse.

>If anything, the
> constitution aimed at reducing the beaucracy that kept various governments
> "3 steps removed from the people."

Aimed and missed... badly.

How was transferring authority from Paris to Brussels going to
accomplish that? How was creating a unified European foreign policy
going to accomplish that?
Face facts.. the EU is for economic reasons and the entire western
world seems hell bent on policies to create labor markets on par with
China. How will declining wages and longer hours all in the name of
economic growth benefit the people?
>
> If you'd like, here's a quick summary: to punish the incumbents for weak
> growth, stagnant economies, inflation, unemployment... you know the drill.

Wasn't to punish them... it was a realization that the EU wasn't going
to fix these problems without huge sacrifices from labor.

> The very same reason that Le Pen was riding a crest of surging popularity
> two and a half years ago.
>
> The biggest change - having a joint EU foreign minister - was pointless in
> any case since the foreign policies of Italy an Britain were in direct
> conflict to those of France, Germany and post-election Spain.

Exactly... so while everyone waited for unified Europe to agree...
individual EU members must be silent else act outside the constitution.
It wouldn't create a unified foreign policy... it would destroy foreign
policy and create a Europe as impotent as the UN.
>
> The blow is more symbolic than practical.

If the blow was symbolic it was only because the EU itself was more
symbolic than practical.

ScottW

[ScottW]

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW a =E9crit :
>
> > Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution.
>
> Are you really that stupid or do you occasionally force your
> talent ? ;-)

What a surprise... Lionel is even out of step with his own countrymen.

ScottW

[[email protected]]

ScottW said:

>>If anything, the
> >constitution aimed at reducing the beaucracy that kept various governments
> >"3 steps removed from the people."


>Aimed and missed... badly.

How many pages was the proposed Constitution?
How many articles? IIRC the thing was monstrously large.

>Face facts.. the EU is for economic reasons and the entire western
>world seems hell bent on policies to create labor markets on par with
>China. How will declining wages and longer hours all in the name of
>economic growth benefit the people?

It might make them more competitive.

Thel level of socialism in France is not a benefit.

Soon it won't matter anyway, since it will the first European Muslim
state.

[Lionel]

In . com>, ScottW wrote :

>
>
> Lionel wrote:
>> ScottW a écrit :
>>
>> > Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution.
>>
>> Are you really that stupid or do you occasionally force your
>> talent ? ;-)
>
> What a surprise... Lionel is even out of step with his own countrymen.

A surprise ? This is the answer I was waiting for.
You are really that stupid !!!

:-)

[Lionel]

ScottW wrote :


> If the blow was symbolic it was only because the EU itself was more
> symbolic than practical.

LOL, one more time ScottW is confessing publicly is total ignorance of the
international political and economical systems.

[Lionel]

In . com>,
wrote :

> Soon it won't matter anyway, since it will the first European Muslim
> state.

McKelvy ? :-D

Anyway, it's a very good conclusion to a stupid thread.
Thank you Mikey.

[Lionel]

ScottW wrote :

> Wasn't to punish them... it was a realization that the EU wasn't going
> to fix these problems without huge sacrifices from labor.

Scott, just a tip for you.
Despite a reduction of 10.25% of the working time in France the productivity
of labor has increased in the industry of 38% between 1992 and 2003.
Here in France, unlike in USA, we are going to job for work purpose only,
not just to spend time... ;-)

[Robert Morein]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW wrote :
>
> > Wasn't to punish them... it was a realization that the EU wasn't going
> > to fix these problems without huge sacrifices from labor.
>
> Scott, just a tip for you.
> Despite a reduction of 10.25% of the working time in France the
productivity
> of labor has increased in the industry of 38% between 1992 and 2003.
> Here in France, unlike in USA, we are going to job for work purpose only,
> not just to spend time... ;-)
>
Lionel, in your opinion, should the constitution have been ratified?

[Lionel]

Robert Morein a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>ScottW wrote :
>>
>>
>>> Wasn't to punish them... it was a realization that the EU wasn't going
>>>to fix these problems without huge sacrifices from labor.
>>
>>Scott, just a tip for you.
>>Despite a reduction of 10.25% of the working time in France the
>
> productivity
>
>>of labor has increased in the industry of 38% between 1992 and 2003.
>>Here in France, unlike in USA, we are going to job for work purpose only,
>>not just to spend time... ;-)
>>
>
> Lionel, in your opinion, should the constitution have been ratified?

Yes obviously.
Despite its numerous flaws the text in itself was a progress
compared to the Nice treaty.

Moreover from a psychologic POV the French "yes" would have
been interpreted has a definitive and enthousiast "welcome"
to the more recent members.

[Robert Morein]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Morein a écrit :
> > "Lionel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>ScottW wrote :
> >>
> >>
> >>> Wasn't to punish them... it was a realization that the EU wasn't going
> >>>to fix these problems without huge sacrifices from labor.
> >>
> >>Scott, just a tip for you.
> >>Despite a reduction of 10.25% of the working time in France the
> >
> > productivity
> >
> >>of labor has increased in the industry of 38% between 1992 and 2003.
> >>Here in France, unlike in USA, we are going to job for work purpose
only,
> >>not just to spend time... ;-)
> >>
> >
> > Lionel, in your opinion, should the constitution have been ratified?
>
> Yes obviously.
> Despite its numerous flaws the text in itself was a progress
> compared to the Nice treaty.
>
> Moreover from a psychologic POV the French "yes" would have
> been interpreted has a definitive and enthousiast "welcome"
> to the more recent members.

Is the difference of opinion divided along:
1. conservative vs. liberal
2. wealth vs. poverty
3. xenophobia & chauvinism vs. "progressive" ?

I find it interesting that a conservative president would support it. It
makes me wonder what a French liberal is like.

[Sander deWaal]

"ScottW" > said:

>Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution. No good will come
>from a government 3 steps removed from the people.


If anything, a true European constitution would put (at least partly)
an end to that and many other issues.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[Sander deWaal]

"Robert Morein" > said:

>Is the difference of opinion divided along:
>1. conservative vs. liberal
>2. wealth vs. poverty
>3. xenophobia & chauvinism vs. "progressive" ?


Most votes were protest votes, by people not looking further than the
end of their street.

We in Holland will have the same problem I'm afraid.
We're due to vote tomorrow.......guess how much of a difference *that*
will make ;-)


>I find it interesting that a conservative president would support it. It
>makes me wonder what a French liberal is like.


Conservatism and liberalism in Europe are different from the US.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[Robert Morein]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert Morein" > said:
>
> >Is the difference of opinion divided along:
> >1. conservative vs. liberal
> >2. wealth vs. poverty
> >3. xenophobia & chauvinism vs. "progressive" ?
>
>
> Most votes were protest votes, by people not looking further than the
> end of their street.
>
> We in Holland will have the same problem I'm afraid.
> We're due to vote tomorrow.......guess how much of a difference *that*
> will make ;-)
>
>
> >I find it interesting that a conservative president would support it. It
> >makes me wonder what a French liberal is like.
>
>
> Conservatism and liberalism in Europe are different from the US.
>
Sander,
I was on a long commuter train ride, sitting opposite an upper-middle
class couple from Holland. For some reason, I, who am Jewish, felt compelled
to talk/ask about what it means to be Jewish in Holland today. I have
always thought of Holland as a super-liberal country. But their reaction was
unexpected: they froze, as if in disapproval that I had mentioned the
subject. In fact, they stopped talking to me. Did I violate some taboo?

[Schizoid Man]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message

> Sander,
> I was on a long commuter train ride, sitting opposite an upper-middle
> class couple from Holland. For some reason, I, who am Jewish, felt
> compelled
> to talk/ask about what it means to be Jewish in Holland today. I have
> always thought of Holland as a super-liberal country. But their reaction
> was
> unexpected: they froze, as if in disapproval that I had mentioned the
> subject. In fact, they stopped talking to me. Did I violate some taboo?

I don't know whether I would really agree with that assessment, Robert.
Liberal is a very broad term that encompasses social, economic and political
philosophies.

Though socially very liberal, the Netherlands also does have a reputation
for being more xenophobic than their neighbors.

Prior to the Iraq war, I would have said that the only super-liberal
European country is Britain.

[Schizoid Man]

"François Yves Le Gal" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:59:10 -0400, "Robert Morein"
> > wrote:
>
>>Did I violate some taboo?
>
> Yes: you're not supposed to invade anyone's privacy in Europe.

If I understood Morein's post correctly, they weren't in Europe, they were
in the US of A.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:24:13 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:59:10 -0400, "Robert Morein"
> wrote:
>
>>Did I violate some taboo?
>
>Yes: you're not supposed to invade anyone's privacy in Europe.

I'm sorry to see that dialog is "out" in Europe these days.

But I understand your point. In crowded countries like the Netherlands
and Germany, people guard their personal space zealously. People can
live next door to each other for years and not even know each others
names. They have an amazing ability to create a zone of
inapproachability.

[Schizoid Man]

"François Yves Le Gal" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:32:33 -0700, "Schizoid Man" > wrote:
>
>>If I understood Morein's post correctly, they weren't in Europe, they were
>>in the US of A.
>
> Well, then no wonder they didn't answer him: being verbally abused by yet
> another yank isn't something Europeans like when travelling.

I knew the French were sensitive, but to equate a friendly chat to verbal
abuse is quite a stretch, mate.

[ScottW]

wrote:
> ScottW said:
>
> >>If anything, the
> > >constitution aimed at reducing the beaucracy that kept various governments
> > >"3 steps removed from the people."
>
>
> >Aimed and missed... badly.
>
> How many pages was the proposed Constitution?
> How many articles? IIRC the thing was monstrously large.
>
> >Face facts.. the EU is for economic reasons and the entire western
> >world seems hell bent on policies to create labor markets on par with
> >China. How will declining wages and longer hours all in the name of
> >economic growth benefit the people?
>
> It might make them more competitive.

In what measure... cost of labor?

>
> Thel level of socialism in France is not a benefit.
>
> Soon it won't matter anyway, since it will the first European Muslim
> state.

As North America becomes a latin nation.

ScottW

[ScottW]

dave weil wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:24:13 +0200, Fran=E7ois Yves Le Gal
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:59:10 -0400, "Robert Morein"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Did I violate some taboo?
> >
> >Yes: you're not supposed to invade anyone's privacy in Europe.
>
> I'm sorry to see that dialog is "out" in Europe these days.
>
> But I understand your point. In crowded countries like the Netherlands
> and Germany, people guard their personal space zealously. People can
> live next door to each other for years and not even know each others
> names. They have an amazing ability to create a zone of
> inapproachability.

After growing up in the midwest I see very similar trends in crowded
Ca. I think its also a function of having kids. Kids force social
interaction... people without them have the option to isolate
themselves.

ScottW

[Robert Morein]

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
>
> "François Yves Le Gal" > wrote in message
>
> > On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:59:10 -0400, "Robert Morein"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>Did I violate some taboo?
> >
> > Yes: you're not supposed to invade anyone's privacy in Europe.
>
> If I understood Morein's post correctly, they weren't in Europe, they were
> in the US of A.
>
Yes, this was on a New Jersey Transit train to Trenton.

[Schizoid Man]

"ScottW" > wrote in message

> As North America becomes a latin nation.

Scott, I hate to break this to you, but North America is a continent, not a
republic. Thereofre, unless the governments of Canada, the United States and
Mexico decide to dissolve the borders, North America will not be a nation,
regardless of its ethnicity.

[Robert Morein]

"François Yves Le Gal" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:32:33 -0700, "Schizoid Man" > wrote:
>
> >If I understood Morein's post correctly, they weren't in Europe, they
were
> >in the US of A.
>
> Well, then no wonder they didn't answer him: being verbally abused by yet
> another yank isn't something Europeans like when travelling.
>
I wasn't accusing them of anything. I was remarking on the experience of
being Jewish. My tone was positive.

[ScottW]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> "ScottW" > said:
>
> >Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution. No good will come
> >from a government 3 steps removed from the people.
>
>
> If anything, a true European constitution would put (at least partly)
> an end to that and many other issues.
>

The greater the masses.. the more inevitable their manipulation.

ScottW

[Sander deWaal]

"Robert Morein" > said:

>Sander,
> I was on a long commuter train ride, sitting opposite an upper-middle
>class couple from Holland. For some reason, I, who am Jewish, felt compelled
>to talk/ask about what it means to be Jewish in Holland today. I have
>always thought of Holland as a super-liberal country. But their reaction was
>unexpected: they froze, as if in disapproval that I had mentioned the
>subject. In fact, they stopped talking to me. Did I violate some taboo?


Not in a sense that they would have been shocked by you being Jewish,
I suppose (and hope!) ;-)

Anyway, I can only speak for myself here.
Had it been me and my wife, I'd probably engage in a lively discussion
of a broad variety of subjects.

As you probably know, from all countries under Nazi regime, the
Netherlands had percentually the most Jews deported in WW2.
That means there have to be quite a few descendants from people who
co-operated with the Nazis to do so.
You might have stumbled across one of them.........

People of Jewish descent have a hard time these days in Holland,
because of the polarization between Muslims and others here.
After the assassination of filmmaker Theo van Gogh (by a Muslim),
things have gotten worse, and mutual respect and understanding is at
an all time low.

Despite the fact that Muslim organizations here have outspoken
themselves against the murder, and in fact against all Muslim violence
that takes place, a lot of people regard Muslims now as violent,
goat-****ing towelheads.

L'histoire se repète, most people are stupid. Including me at times.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[George Middius]

Robert Morein said:

>I wasn't accusing them of anything. I was remarking on the experience of
>being Jewish. My tone was positive.

"God damn, that Holocaust was something, wasn't it?"

[Lionel]

In . com>, ScottW wrote :

>
>
> Sander deWaal wrote:
>> "ScottW" > said:
>>
>> >Congrats to France on rejecting the EU constitution. No good will come
>> >from a government 3 steps removed from the people.
>>
>>
>> If anything, a true European constitution would put (at least partly)
>> an end to that and many other issues.
>>
>
> The greater the masses.. the more inevitable their manipulation.

How many time have you fail to your sociology exams ? ;-)

[Lionel]

In >, Robert Morein wrote :

>
> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Robert Morein" > said:
>>
>> >Is the difference of opinion divided along:
>> >1. conservative vs. liberal
>> >2. wealth vs. poverty
>> >3. xenophobia & chauvinism vs. "progressive" ?
>>
>>
>> Most votes were protest votes, by people not looking further than the
>> end of their street.
>>
>> We in Holland will have the same problem I'm afraid.
>> We're due to vote tomorrow.......guess how much of a difference *that*
>> will make ;-)
>>
>>
>> >I find it interesting that a conservative president would support it. It
>> >makes me wonder what a French liberal is like.
>>
>>
>> Conservatism and liberalism in Europe are different from the US.
>>
> Sander,
> I was on a long commuter train ride, sitting opposite an upper-middle
> class couple from Holland. For some reason, I, who am Jewish, felt
> compelled
> to talk/ask about what it means to be Jewish in Holland today. I have
> always thought of Holland as a super-liberal country. But their reaction
> was unexpected: they froze, as if in disapproval that I had mentioned the
> subject. In fact, they stopped talking to me. Did I violate some taboo?

Taboo ? I don't know but WWII has let some very deep scars in the West
European unconscious.
There are 1000 good and bad reasons to explain their reaction but it doesn't
surprised me.

[Schizoid Man]

"François Yves Le Gal" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:52:36 -0400, "Robert Morein"
> > wrote:
>
>>I wasn't accusing them of anything. I was remarking on the experience of
>>being Jewish. My tone was positive.
>
> Sure, but by European standards this was an intrusion in their private
> space, even if this took place in a train.

Well, if this constituted an 'intrusion' by 'European standards', I would
suggest that those Europeans start looking for place elsewhere. I would
begin with outer space.

[dave weil]

On Tue, 31 May 2005 22:54:52 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:52:36 -0400, "Robert Morein"
> wrote:
>
>>I wasn't accusing them of anything. I was remarking on the experience of
>>being Jewish. My tone was positive.
>
>Sure, but by European standards this was an intrusion in their private
>space, even if this took place in a train.

But not "verbal abuse".

[dave weil]

On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:26:00 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2005 16:15:16 -0500, dave weil > wrote:
>
>>>Sure, but by European standards this was an intrusion in their private
>>>space, even if this took place in a train.
>>
>>But not "verbal abuse".
>
>Such an intrusion is a form of abuse: most Europeans don't like to be
>adressed by strangers, except maybe for a quick weather-related chit-chat.

Nah...it's not "abuse", even if someone doesn't like to be addressed
by a stranger. It's just a faux pas on the part of the transgressor.

[ScottW]

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
>> As North America becomes a latin nation.
>
> Scott, I hate to break this to you, but North America is a continent, not
> a republic. Thereofre, unless the governments of Canada, the United States
> and Mexico decide to dissolve the borders, North America will not be a
> nation, regardless of its ethnicity.

I guess you haven't been following the agenda of organizations like LARASA.

ScottW

[Schizoid Man]

"ScottW" > wrote in message

>> Scott, I hate to break this to you, but North America is a continent, not
>> a republic. Thereofre, unless the governments of Canada, the United
>> States and Mexico decide to dissolve the borders, North America will not
>> be a nation, regardless of its ethnicity.
>
> I guess you haven't been following the agenda of organizations like
> LARASA.
>
> ScottW

Actually, I am not. I'll Google them.

[ScottW]

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW wrote :
>
>
> > If the blow was symbolic it was only because the EU itself was more
> > symbolic than practical.
>
> LOL, one more time ScottW is confessing publicly is total ignorance of the
> international political and economical systems.

Lionel, I am not surprised you would be willing to sacrifice your
independence and representation for mere promises of significance.

ScottW

[ScottW]

As many as you have taken I'll wager.

ScottW

[ScottW]

Signal wrote:
> "Robert Morein" emitted :
>
> >Sander,
> > I was on a long commuter train ride, sitting opposite an upper-middle
> >class couple from Holland. For some reason, I, who am Jewish, felt compelled
> >to talk/ask about what it means to be Jewish in Holland today. I have
> >always thought of Holland as a super-liberal country. But their reaction was
> >unexpected: they froze, as if in disapproval that I had mentioned the
> >subject. In fact, they stopped talking to me. Did I violate some taboo?
>
> Probably just freaked out ;-)

They were probably thinking ... how the hell should I know, you think
I'm Jewish?
Really Bob, Isn't that a "when did you stop beating your wife"
question?
The question alone implies an issue.

ScottW

[[email protected]]

Sander deWaal said:

"If anything, a true European constitution would put (at least partly)
an end to that and many other issues."

Do you think a Constitution needs 300 (IIRC) pages?

The document being offered is not a constitution it is a way for
Brussells to become the head of all government in Europe. It was never
going to be ratified anyway, as the British are going to vote it down
as well.

That people should be asked to vote away their freedom is pretty
****ing wierd.
That others should be unhappy they didn't is even more strange.

I believe more than just France, Netherlands, and Britain will vote it
down.

Any government document longer than one page should be immediately
suspect. A constitution longer than one page is beyond absurd.

[George M. Middius]

Scottiedork squawked:

> They were probably thinking ... how the hell should I know, you think
> I'm Jewish?
> Really Bob, Isn't that a "when did you stop beating your wife"
> question?

Yes, accusing someone of being Jewish is morally equivalent to accusing them
of domestic violence.

> The question alone implies an issue.

Have you issued a dorkbot warning to your co-workers and family members?

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> Sander deWaal said:
>
> "If anything, a true European constitution would put (at least partly)
> an end to that and many other issues."
>
> Do you think a Constitution needs 300 (IIRC) pages?
>
> The document being offered is not a constitution it is a way for
> Brussells to become the head of all government in Europe. It was never
> going to be ratified anyway, as the British are going to vote it down
> as well.
>
> That people should be asked to vote away their freedom is pretty
> ****ing wierd.
> That others should be unhappy they didn't is even more strange.
>
> I believe more than just France, Netherlands, and Britain will vote it
> down.
>
> Any government document longer than one page should be immediately
> suspect. A constitution longer than one page is beyond absurd.


It's just too much for some people to read.




Scott Wheeler

[Schizoid Man]

> wrote in message

> Sander deWaal said:
>
> "If anything, a true European constitution would put (at least partly)
> an end to that and many other issues."
>
> Do you think a Constitution needs 300 (IIRC) pages?

India's constitution has more than 700 IIRC.

[[email protected]]

Schizoid Man said:

"India's constitution has more than 700 IIRC."

Do you mean to hold that up asd a good or as a bad example?

[[email protected]]

Scott Wheeler wrote:

May 31, 10:58 pm show options



wrote:
> Sander deWaal said:

>
> Any government document longer than one page should be immediately
> suspect. A constitution longer than one page is beyond absurd.



It's just too much for some people to read.


I think a Constitution ought to be able to be read and understood by
the average citizen.
We in the U.S. have done well with one page and a very few ammendments.

I wonder if there is any corollary between the length of a country's
constitution and it's overall status in terms of education, poverty,
etc.

[[email protected]]

Giving the lie to European 'democracy' - if the public vote against it,
the E.U.'s globalist elite plan to push the Constitution through by
treaty!

>From today's 'Scotsman' newspaper:

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[Schizoid Man]

> wrote in message

> Schizoid Man said:
>
> "India's constitution has more than 700 IIRC."
>
> Do you mean to hold that up asd a good or as a bad example?

You have proved yourself to be semi-literate on more than one occasion so
here is a snippet:

According to constitutional scholar Granville Austin, probably no other
nation's constitution "has provided so much impetus toward changing and
rebuilding society for the common good."

Here's the preamble, you can decide for yourself whether it is a fine
document or not:
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into
a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its
citizens:
JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity;
and to promote among them all
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and
integrity of the Nation;
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949, do
HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.

[Lionel]

ScottW wrote :

> Lionel wrote:
>> ScottW wrote :
>>
>>
>> > If the blow was symbolic it was only because the EU itself was more
>> > symbolic than practical.
>>
>> LOL, one more time ScottW is confessing publicly is total ignorance of
>> the international political and economical systems.
>
> Lionel, I am not surprised you would be willing to sacrifice your
> independence and representation for mere promises of significance.

Ok,I note that you still need to learn a little bit more about
macroeconomics. :-D

*Your* "independence" is soiled of dirty fears and xenophobia.
You are as noisy, agressive, stinky as a permanently chained dog.
Nobody wants of *your* independence !

IMHO you're just betraying the first Americans.

[Robert Morein]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:26:00 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 31 May 2005 16:15:16 -0500, dave weil >
wrote:
> >
> >>>Sure, but by European standards this was an intrusion in their private
> >>>space, even if this took place in a train.
> >>
> >>But not "verbal abuse".
> >
> >Such an intrusion is a form of abuse: most Europeans don't like to be
> >adressed by strangers, except maybe for a quick weather-related
chit-chat.
>
> Nah...it's not "abuse", even if someone doesn't like to be addressed
> by a stranger. It's just a faux pas on the part of the transgressor.

It wasn't the initial remark. It was well into a friendly conversation on a
fairly long train ride.
Francois, are you sure this is true for the Dutch? Sander doesn't seem to
agree with you, and Lionel did not make your point.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:15:41 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:26:00 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 31 May 2005 16:15:16 -0500, dave weil >
>wrote:
>> >
>> >>>Sure, but by European standards this was an intrusion in their private
>> >>>space, even if this took place in a train.
>> >>
>> >>But not "verbal abuse".
>> >
>> >Such an intrusion is a form of abuse: most Europeans don't like to be
>> >adressed by strangers, except maybe for a quick weather-related
>chit-chat.
>>
>> Nah...it's not "abuse", even if someone doesn't like to be addressed
>> by a stranger. It's just a faux pas on the part of the transgressor.
>
>It wasn't the initial remark. It was well into a friendly conversation on a
>fairly long train ride.
>Francois, are you sure this is true for the Dutch? Sander doesn't seem to
>agree with you, and Lionel did not make your point.

There are just some subjects that people don't like to talk about and
you crossed into that territory.

When I was living in Germany and I asked my girlfriend's mom about
WW2, she would clam up, and she was one of the few North German people
who wasn't all bottled up Prussian-style. As a little girl living
squarely between Hamburg and Bremen, she used to see the planes flying
over and there'd be glows on both horizons for days. I thought it
would be great to get a first hand account, but she just didn't want
to talk about it. Even though she was warm and giving and willing to
talk about anything, there were just two things that she DIDN'T want
to talk about, the War and Nazis, and I respected that, especially
considering what life immediately after the war must have been like
for a girl just barely old enough to know what was going on.

My guess? You simply touched a nerve by trying to discuss a serious
subject during a light casual conversation. No big deal. That sort of
thing happens with Americans as well.

[[email protected]]

Schizoid Man said:

You have proved yourself to be semi-literate on more than one occasion
so
here is a snippet:

"According to constitutional scholar Granville Austin, probably no
other
nation's constitution "has provided so much impetus toward changing and

rebuilding society for the common good." "

I love a good platitude as much as the next person, but with all due
respect to Mr. Austin, the above is plainly stupid, given the reality
of what India actually is.

"Here's the preamble, you can decide for yourself whether it is a fine
document or not:
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India
into
a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all
its
citizens:
JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity;
and to promote among them all
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and
integrity of the Nation;
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949,
do
HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION."

Now, all that remains is for the country to actually practice those
ideals, and start allowing their people the opportunity to achieve.

Does it still take a year or more to get a business license?

[Schizoid Man]

> wrote in message

> Schizoid Man said:
>
> You have proved yourself to be semi-literate on more than one occasion
> so
> here is a snippet:
>
> "According to constitutional scholar Granville Austin, probably no
> other
> nation's constitution "has provided so much impetus toward changing and
>
> rebuilding society for the common good." "
>
> I love a good platitude as much as the next person, but with all due
> respect to Mr. Austin, the above is plainly stupid, given the reality
> of what India actually is.

McKelvy, have you ever even been to India? It is a dynamic country that is
struggling to reconcile two colliding worlds.

The fact that you are such a proponent of freedom and democracy
notwithstanding, your lack of awareness regarding India's own democratic
institutions has been noted.

> Now, all that remains is for the country to actually practice those
> ideals, and start allowing their people the opportunity to achieve.

Am I missing something or is the Bill of Rights is practiced exactly as it
is written? Furthermore, the opportuity to achieve is finally dawning.

> Does it still take a year or more to get a business license?

If it did, would your countrymen be crying blue murder over the stealing of
their jobs?

[Sander deWaal]

"Robert Morein" > said:

>> Nah...it's not "abuse", even if someone doesn't like to be addressed
>> by a stranger. It's just a faux pas on the part of the transgressor.

>It wasn't the initial remark. It was well into a friendly conversation on a
>fairly long train ride.
>Francois, are you sure this is true for the Dutch? Sander doesn't seem to
>agree with you, and Lionel did not make your point.


I said I can only speak for myself.
I really wouldn't even know whether this is true for the Dutch, or
even Europeans in general.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[Sander deWaal]

" > said:

<post reformatted>


>Sander deWaal said:

>>"If anything, a true European constitution would put (at least partly)
>>an end to that and many other issues."

>Do you think a Constitution needs 300 (IIRC) pages?


If not more ;-)

Anyway, I haven't read all of it (I suspect no one has) but I think
that in the long run (20...50 years), Europe may benefit from the
steps that are taken now.


Yes, I'm a hopeless romantic, a naive ideologist.
But you knew that, hm? ;-)

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

[Jon Yaeger]

> "Robert Morein" > said:
>
>> Sander,
>> I was on a long commuter train ride, sitting opposite an upper-middle
>> class couple from Holland. For some reason, I, who am Jewish, felt compelled
>> to talk/ask about what it means to be Jewish in Holland today. I have
>> always thought of Holland as a super-liberal country. But their reaction was
>> unexpected: they froze, as if in disapproval that I had mentioned the
>> subject. In fact, they stopped talking to me. Did I violate some taboo?


Hey Robert,

Was that BEFORE or AFTER you told them about Brian McCarty?

[[email protected]]

Signal sputtered:

"Yes, but your country is rubbish."

Making yours what?
Our trusty sidekick.

[John Stone]

On 5/31/05 11:42 PM, in article
om, "
> wrote:

> I think a Constitution ought to be able to be read and understood by
> the average citizen.
> We in the U.S. have done well with one page and a very few ammendments.

How did you come up with the US constitution having only one page?

[[email protected]]

Schizoid Man says:

The fact that you are such a proponent of freedom and democracy
notwithstanding, your lack of awareness regarding India's own
democratic
institutions has been noted.



> Now, all that remains is for the country to actually practice those
> ideals, and start allowing their people the opportunity to achieve.


"Am I missing something or is the Bill of Rights is practiced exactly
as it
is written?"


Are you asking if the Bill of rights has been chipped away at? If so
the answer is yes, by both the left and right.

" Furthermore, the opportuity to achieve is finally dawning."

Good show, better late than never.



> Does it still take a year or more to get a business license?


"If it did, would your countrymen be crying blue murder over the
stealing of
their jobs? "

The Left in this country has to find something to bitch about,
everything else seems to bo going fairly well. They have never been
that good at thing having to do economics.

[Schizoid Man]

> wrote in message

> "If it did, would your countrymen be crying blue murder over the
> stealing of
> their jobs? "
>
> The Left in this country has to find something to bitch about,
> everything else seems to bo going fairly well. They have never been
> that good at thing having to do economics.

The tendency to take an innocuous statement and use it for liberal-bashing
noted.

Give it up, McKelvy.

[George M. Middius]

John Stone said:

> > We in the U.S. have done well with one page and a very few ammendments.

> How did you come up with the US constitution having only one page?

Mickey has an extremely short attention span.

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> Scott Wheeler wrote:
>
> May 31, 10:58 pm show options
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > Sander deWaal said:
>
> >
> > Any government document longer than one page should be immediately
> > suspect. A constitution longer than one page is beyond absurd.
>
>
>
> It's just too much for some people to read.
>
>
> I think a Constitution ought to be able to be read and understood by
> the average citizen.
> We in the U.S. have done well with one page and a very few ammendments.





Have you actually read our constitution or just the Cliffnotes?





>
> I wonder if there is any corollary between the length of a country's
> constitution and it's overall status in terms of education, poverty,
> etc.





No.






Scott Wheeler

[[email protected]]

John Stone asks:


How did you come up with the US constitution having only one page?

That's all I've ever seen it as.

I never counted how many pages the ammendments take up.

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> John Stone asks:
>
>
> How did you come up with the US constitution having only one page?
>
> That's all I've ever seen it as.
>
> I never counted how many pages the ammendments take up.



http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/charters/constitution_zoom_1.html


Again I have to ask did you ever read it?




Scott Wheeler

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW wrote :
>
>
> *Your* "independence" is soiled of dirty fears and xenophobia.
> You are as noisy, agressive, stinky as a permanently chained dog.
> Nobody wants of *your* independence !
>

"At least" we can defend our independence.



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[ScottW]

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW wrote :
>
> > Lionel wrote:
> >> ScottW wrote :
> >>
> >>
> >> > If the blow was symbolic it was only because the EU itself was more
> >> > symbolic than practical.
> >>
> >> LOL, one more time ScottW is confessing publicly is total ignorance of
> >> the international political and economical systems.
> >
> > Lionel, I am not surprised you would be willing to sacrifice your
> > independence and representation for mere promises of significance.
>
> Ok,I note that you still need to learn a little bit more about
> macroeconomics. :-D

Macro/micro... who cares.... this plan is to bring your wage in line
with the average Chinese. Its gonna take 50 years to bring China up
to your pittance. What tactic do you think can shorten the time
equality? If successful you will gain full employment at 40% of the
current prevailing wage.
>
> *Your* "independence" is soiled of dirty fears and xenophobia.
> You are as noisy, agressive, stinky as a permanently chained dog.
> Nobody wants of *your* independence !

What a moron. Where did I ever say rejecting the EU gives you
anything American independence. FYI you bluthering buffoon, I think
accepting the EU is step toward statehood in the United States of
Europe. I applaud your countrymen for wisely choosing another path.


>
> IMHO you're just betraying the first Americans.

The eskimos?

ScottW

[ScottW]

Clyde Slick wrote:
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ScottW wrote :
> >
> >
> > *Your* "independence" is soiled of dirty fears and xenophobia.
> > You are as noisy, agressive, stinky as a permanently chained dog.
> > Nobody wants of *your* independence !
> >
>
> "At least" we can defend our independence.

We're losing without a shot being fired in the name of sustained
economic growth.

Why? To support the ponzi scheme known as our Federal Government.

ScottW

[Lionel]

In om>, ScottW wrote :

>
>
> Lionel wrote:
>> ScottW wrote :
>>
>> > Lionel wrote:
>> >> ScottW wrote :
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > If the blow was symbolic it was only because the EU itself was more
>> >> > symbolic than practical.
>> >>
>> >> LOL, one more time ScottW is confessing publicly is total ignorance of
>> >> the international political and economical systems.
>> >
>> > Lionel, I am not surprised you would be willing to sacrifice your
>> > independence and representation for mere promises of significance.
>>
>> Ok,I note that you still need to learn a little bit more about
>> macroeconomics. :-D
>
> Macro/micro... who cares....

LOL, I note that you don't care and that you prefer apocalypto-cataclysmic
predictions.


> this plan is to bring your wage in line
> with the average Chinese. Its gonna take 50 years to bring China up
> to your pittance.

What's wrong since they are living now like we were living in France 50
years ago.

> What tactic do you think can shorten the time
> equality?

Everything except a war in Iraq. :-)

> If successful you will gain full employment at 40% of the
> current prevailing wage.


I know that you are afraid because more than 60% of your futur pension is
already in Chinese hands. (lol)


>> *Your* "independence" is soiled of dirty fears and xenophobia.
>> You are as noisy, agressive, stinky as a permanently chained dog.
>> Nobody wants of *your* independence !
>
> What a moron. Where did I ever say rejecting the EU gives you
> anything American independence.

I didn't speak about *USA*, just about a scary little Californian guy who is
teaching "bunkerization" on RAO. :-D

> FYI you bluthering buffoon, I think
> accepting the EU is step toward statehood in the United States of
> Europe. I applaud your countrymen for wisely choosing another path.


I'm happy because you are vexed.


>> IMHO you're just betraying the first Americans.
>
> The eskimos?

The ones who came before the Wittevrongel. :-)

[ScottW]

George M. Middius wrote:
> Scottiedork squawked:
>
> > They were probably thinking ... how the hell should I know, you think
> > I'm Jewish?
> > Really Bob, Isn't that a "when did you stop beating your wife"
> > question?
>
> Yes, accusing someone of being Jewish is morally equivalent to accusing them
> of domestic violence.

I'll defer to your expertise on the subject.

ScottW

[[email protected]]

Scott Wheeler asked:

"Again I have to ask did you ever read it?"


Not every single word, at least not for many years.

I see your link has it in 4 pages, I've seen it usually represented as
one.

[[email protected]]

Schizoid Man said:

"The tendency to take an innocuous statement and use it for
liberal-bashing
noted."


This is an innocuous statement?
"If it did, would your countrymen be crying blue murder over the
> stealing of
> their jobs? "

It's not Liberal bashing, it's simply a statement of fact. It is those
who tend towards the left who have been screaming about outsourcing,
while not understanding that other countries outsource to the U.S. as
well and in much higher dollar amounts. It is a non-issue.

[George Middius]

Scottiedork is too klutzy to scratch his fleas away.

>> > They were probably thinking ... how the hell should I know, you think
>> > I'm Jewish?
>> > Really Bob, Isn't that a "when did you stop beating your wife"
>> > question?

>> Yes, accusing someone of being Jewish is morally equivalent to accusing them
>> of domestic violence.

> I'll defer to your expertise on the subject.

Thanks. I'll admit to some small expertise in reading written English.

[dave weil]

On 2 Jun 2005 10:02:42 -0700, "
> wrote:

>Scott Wheeler asked:
>
>"Again I have to ask did you ever read it?"
>
>
>Not every single word, at least not for many years.
>
>I see your link has it in 4 pages, I've seen it usually represented as
>one.

Well, if you adjust the font size, you could make it about an eigth of
a page.

Having SEEN the original (and waited in line about 2 hours to see it),
I can tell you that it's more than one page (but quite faded and hard
to read). If I remember correctly, including the Bill of Rights, there
are three total pages.

BTW, if you were a woman or a black in 1900, how much confidence would
you have in the Bill of Rights? Would you have been covered? I don't
think so, especially since if you were black, you'd still be
considered 3/5ths of a person.

[dave weil]

On 2 Jun 2005 10:08:44 -0700, "
> wrote:

>Schizoid Man said:
>
>"The tendency to take an innocuous statement and use it for
>liberal-bashing
>noted."
>
>
>This is an innocuous statement?
>"If it did, would your countrymen be crying blue murder over the
>> stealing of
>> their jobs? "
>
>It's not Liberal bashing, it's simply a statement of fact. It is those
>who tend towards the left who have been screaming about outsourcing,
>while not understanding that other countries outsource to the U.S. as
>well and in much higher dollar amounts. It is a non-issue.

Only if it's not YOUR job that's outsourced, I suppose. Then again,
maybe you could get a job in the BMW factory in South Carolina. Oh
wait, you'd have to move...perhaps you could move here to Tennessee,
where they build Nissans.

[dave weil]

On 2 Jun 2005 10:33:00 -0700, wrote:

wrote:
>> Scott Wheeler asked:
>>
>> "Again I have to ask did you ever read it?"
>>
>>
>> Not every single word, at least not for many years.
>
>
>
>Which words did you skip?

Probably "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of
a free state".

Oh wait, he's a "Libertarian". He probley doesn't care one way or
another whether his neighbor has a thermonuclear device in her garage,
since it's no place for the government to regulate ANYTHING.

[Schizoid Man]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> > wrote:
>
>>It's not Liberal bashing, it's simply a statement of fact. It is those
>>who tend towards the left who have been screaming about outsourcing,
>>while not understanding that other countries outsource to the U.S. as
>>well and in much higher dollar amounts. It is a non-issue.
>
> Only if it's not YOUR job that's outsourced, I suppose. Then again,
> maybe you could get a job in the BMW factory in South Carolina. Oh
> wait, you'd have to move...perhaps you could move here to Tennessee,
> where they build Nissans.

NYOB is Mickey's sockpuppet. He lives in SoCal, IIRC.

[George Middius]

Schizo said:

>NYOB is Mickey's sockpuppet. He lives in SoCal, IIRC.

He does get a Special Person discount on travel, though. Mickey is very Special.

[dave weil]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:53:04 -0700, "Schizoid Man" >
wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>It's not Liberal bashing, it's simply a statement of fact. It is those
>>>who tend towards the left who have been screaming about outsourcing,
>>>while not understanding that other countries outsource to the U.S. as
>>>well and in much higher dollar amounts. It is a non-issue.
>>
>> Only if it's not YOUR job that's outsourced, I suppose. Then again,
>> maybe you could get a job in the BMW factory in South Carolina. Oh
>> wait, you'd have to move...perhaps you could move here to Tennessee,
>> where they build Nissans.
>
>NYOB is Mickey's sockpuppet. He lives in SoCal, IIRC.

No ****.

[John Stone]

On 6/2/05 12:08 PM, in article
. com,
" > wrote:


>
> It's not Liberal bashing, it's simply a statement of fact. It is those
> who tend towards the left who have been screaming about outsourcing,

No it isn't. Outsourcing is becoming a huge issue with both parties, and
perhaps the most vocal opponent in the media is one Lou Dobbs, a life long
conservative Republican.


> while not understanding that other countries outsource to the U.S. as
> well and in much higher dollar amounts. It is a non-issue.
>

So, if other countries invest so much in the US, then why is our trade
deficit so utterly out of control?

[John Stone]

On 6/2/05 12:02 PM, in article
. com,
" > wrote:

> Scott Wheeler asked:
>
> "Again I have to ask did you ever read it?"
>
>
> Not every single word, at least not for many years.
>
> I see your link has it in 4 pages, I've seen it usually represented as
> one.
>

I've never seen it represented as one. Are you confusing the Constitution
with the Declaration of Independence?

[Schizoid Man]

"George Middius" > wrote in message

> Schizo said:
>
>>NYOB is Mickey's sockpuppet. He lives in SoCal, IIRC.
>
> He does get a Special Person discount on travel, though. Mickey is very
> Special.

Talking of travel, anyone here doing any traveling over the summer?

[George Middius]

John Stone said:

>So, if other countries invest so much in the US, then why is our trade
>deficit so utterly out of control?

Mickey will tell you it's because of an al Qaeda plot.

[dave weil]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:24:08 -0500, John Stone >
wrote:

>
>On 6/2/05 12:02 PM, in article
. com,
" > wrote:
>
>> Scott Wheeler asked:
>>
>> "Again I have to ask did you ever read it?"
>>
>>
>> Not every single word, at least not for many years.
>>
>> I see your link has it in 4 pages, I've seen it usually represented as
>> one.
>>
>
>I've never seen it represented as one. Are you confusing the Constitution
>with the Declaration of Independence?

Probably. One page doesn't even hold all of Article 1:

http://www.usconstitution.net/gifs/docs/cpage1.jpg

Mike has problems with reality sometimes. He hears things on radio
that aren't there, reads things in the newspaper that aren't there...

[Lionel]

a écrit :
> Scott Wheeler asked:
>
> "Again I have to ask did you ever read it?"
>
>
> Not every single word, at least not for many years.
>
> I see your link has it in 4 pages, I've seen it usually represented as
> one.
>

"Congrats France" !
Thank to France you are discovering your own Constitution...
Nice no ?

:-D

[Schizoid Man]

"George Middius" > wrote in message

> John Stone said:
>
>>So, if other countries invest so much in the US, then why is our trade
>>deficit so utterly out of control?
>
> Mickey will tell you it's because of an al Qaeda plot.

Another Indian kid wins the spelling bee. Three years in a row now?

[George M. Middius]

What's-his-name said:

> > Mickey will tell you it's because of an al Qaeda plot.

> Another Indian kid wins the spelling bee. Three years in a row now?

100 million children with nothing better to do than memorize dictionaries.
You must be so proud!

[[email protected]]

Schizoid Man said:

Another Indian kid wins the spelling bee. Three years in a row now?

Probably home schooled.

[[email protected]]

John Stone asked:

No it isn't. Outsourcing is becoming a huge issue with both parties,
and
perhaps the most vocal opponent in the media is one Lou Dobbs, a life
long
conservative Republican.

It may be an issue but it's not a real problem. It's business. It's
not evil and it's not a threat in any way.

> while not understanding that other countries outsource to the U.S. as
> well and in much higher dollar amounts. It is a non-issue.


"So, if other countries invest so much in the US, then why is our trade

deficit so utterly out of control?"

I guess out of control only applies if you see it as a problem. Trade
deficit is a meaningless stat.

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...

>
> BTW, if you were a woman or a black in 1900, how much confidence would
> you have in the Bill of Rights? Would you have been covered? I don't
> think so, especially since if you were black, you'd still be
> considered 3/5ths of a person.

Worse than that, not hardly considered a person at all.
The 3/5 consideration was only for counting them
for population, vis a vis representation. And the real consideration
was towards southern whites, who got more members of Congress
representing their white interests, based partly on black slave population.



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[Schizoid Man]

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> What's-his-name said:
>
>
>>>Mickey will tell you it's because of an al Qaeda plot.
>
>
>>Another Indian kid wins the spelling bee. Three years in a row now?
>
>
> 100 million children with nothing better to do than memorize dictionaries.
> You must be so proud!

It's called an education, Middius. Just because you don't have one don't
get jealous!

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...

> He probley doesn't care one way or
> another whether his neighbor has a thermonuclear device in her garage,
> since it's no place for the government to regulate ANYTHING.

BULL****!!! The governemnt needs regulations to ensure that
the fuse works correctly, as advertised, and is safe!

LOL!!!



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[Schizoid Man]

John Stone wrote:

> No it isn't. Outsourcing is becoming a huge issue with both parties, and
> perhaps the most vocal opponent in the media is one Lou Dobbs, a life long
> conservative Republican.

Dobbs just needs something to harp about since both he and his channel
has become irrelevant in the world of post-9/11 opinion-based news.

Where were his howling cries when Amerika was sending its electronics
manufacturing to Taiwan, auto manufacturing to Mexico and all the rest
to China?

>>while not understanding that other countries outsource to the U.S. as
>>well and in much higher dollar amounts. It is a non-issue.
>
> So, if other countries invest so much in the US, then why is our trade
> deficit so utterly out of control?

I take it that economics is not your strength. The answer is you seek,
young padawan, is _spending_.

[Schizoid Man]

John Stone wrote:
> On 6/2/05 12:02 PM, in article

> " > wrote:

>>I see your link has it in 4 pages, I've seen it usually represented as
>>one.
>
> I've never seen it represented as one. Are you confusing the Constitution
> with the Declaration of Independence?

McKelvy doesn't usually know his elbow from his ass, so expecting him to
know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of
Independence might be a bit much.

[Lionel]

In >, Schizoid Man wrote :

> George M. Middius wrote:
>>
>> What's-his-name said:
>>
>>
>>>>Mickey will tell you it's because of an al Qaeda plot.
>>
>>
>>>Another Indian kid wins the spelling bee. Three years in a row now?
>>
>>
>> 100 million children with nothing better to do than memorize
>> dictionaries. You must be so proud!
>
> It's called an education, Middius. Just because you don't have one don't
> get jealous!

A dictionary ? That's true George hasn't any dictonary, just a spell-checker
but it's enough pour épater Ol' Sackman. ;-)

[Schizoid Man]

Clyde Slick wrote:

> "dave weil" > wrote in message

>
>>BTW, if you were a woman or a black in 1900, how much confidence would
>>you have in the Bill of Rights? Would you have been covered? I don't
>>think so, especially since if you were black, you'd still be
>>considered 3/5ths of a person.
>
>
> Worse than that, not hardly considered a person at all.
> The 3/5 consideration was only for counting them
> for population, vis a vis representation. And the real consideration
> was towards southern whites, who got more members of Congress
> representing their white interests, based partly on black slave population.

Which proves my point about the Indian Constitution. Regardless of what
has been achieved, it is an ennobling document that strives towards the
principles of democracy in a region where the very concept is alien.
That in itself is an achievement.

Also, it would be good to remember that before the Brits showed up,
India was no a cohesive country - the Mughal empire was waning and it
was essentially just a collection of principalities. To emerge as the
world's largest democracy and maintain it is something that has
unfortunately received little media coverage.

[George M. Middius]

The Holy Yak Monk said:

> >>Another Indian kid wins the spelling bee. Three years in a row now?

> > 100 million children with nothing better to do than memorize dictionaries.
> > You must be so proud!

> It's called an education, Middius.

<snicker>

How many Americans go to India because of the high-paying jobs? I'd guess
two per year. Maybe three. All those thousands of your people who swarm to
the U.S. must be seeking validation of their great education, right?

Winners of spelling contests aren't smart or educated, as you well know.
They, like the 'borgs, have memorized some tables of letters. Did you say
you're an actuary? That's like being a human calculating machine.

> Just because you don't have one don't
> get jealous!

That would be envy, not jealousy, but thank you for your kind concern.
Boycotted any McDonald's lately?

[George M. Middius]

Mr. Education said:

> Dobbs just needs something to harp

That's carp, not harp. Dictionary, anyone?

> Where were his howling cries when Amerika

Is that a political statement or a sign of insufficient education?

[Schizoid Man]

George M. Middius wrote:

> Mr. Education said:
>
>
>>Dobbs just needs something to harp
>
>
> That's carp, not harp. Dictionary, anyone?

Did you get a chance to look up the definition of 'trite' as yet? ;-)
Phrasal Verb: harp on - To talk or write about to an excessive and
tedious degree; dwell on.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=harp

You're American, right? Maybe you should just leave the English
expertise to me!

>>Where were his howling cries when Amerika
>
> Is that a political statement or a sign of insufficient education?

That's why I like you, Middius. Though your language skills are clearly
to be desired, you do exemplify the occasional flash of perspicacity.

In answer to your question, it is the former.

[Schizoid Man]

George M. Middius wrote:

> The Holy Yak Monk said
> <snicker>
>
> How many Americans go to India because of the high-paying jobs? I'd guess
> two per year. Maybe three. All those thousands of your people who swarm to
> the U.S. must be seeking validation of their great education, right?
>
> Winners of spelling contests aren't smart or educated, as you well know.

To the best of my knowledge, I have never linked spelling and
intelligence. You're the clearly the exception that proves the rule.

> They, like the 'borgs, have memorized some tables of letters. Did you say
> you're an actuary? That's like being a human calculating machine.

No, actually I don't think I ever said that, because I am not.

>>Just because you don't have one don't
>>get jealous!
>
> That would be envy, not jealousy...

I stand corrected.

> Boycotted any McDonald's lately?

I never took you for a xenophobic redneck to whom stereotypes are second
nature, but I guess I was wrong.

[Schizoid Man]

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Mr. Education said:
>
>
>>Dobbs just needs something to harp
>
>
> That's carp, not harp. Dictionary, anyone?
>
>
>>Where were his howling cries when Amerika
>
>
> Is that a political statement or a sign of insufficient education?

Read any Kafka lately?

[George M. Middius]

Twittery Twit said:

> >>Dobbs just needs something to harp

> > That's carp, not harp. Dictionary, anyone?

> Did you get a chance to look up the definition of 'trite' as yet? ;-)
> Phrasal Verb: harp on - To talk or write about to an excessive and
> tedious degree; dwell on.

Very good retrieval. You still misused the word in the first place. If only
you'd said ".... something to keep harping on", you'd have avoided the
error.

> You're American, right? Maybe you should just leave the English
> expertise to me!

Fetch me a burger, there's a good boy.

> >>Where were his howling cries when Amerika
> >
> > Is that a political statement or a sign of insufficient education?
>
> That's why I like you, Middius. Though your language skills are clearly
> to be desired, you do exemplify the occasional flash of perspicacity.
>
> In answer to your question, it is the former.

No, it was another goof-up by you.

[George M. Middius]

Mr. No-Neck growled:

> > Boycotted any McDonald's lately?
>
> I never took you for a xenophobic redneck to whom stereotypes are second
> nature, but I guess I was wrong.

I haven't met too many people who were exemplary of stereotypes. You are the
exception that proves the rule.

[George M. Middius]

Wet Hanky Boy said:

> > Is that a political statement or a sign of insufficient education?

> Read any Kafka lately?

Blow your nose lately?

[Schizoid Man]

George M. Middius wrote:

>>That's why I like you, Middius. Though your language skills are clearly
>>to be desired, you do exemplify the occasional flash of perspicacity.
>>
>>In answer to your question, it is the former.
>
>
> No, it was another goof-up by you.
>

I guess this was not one your more perspicacious moments.

Be that as it may, I will enact Gandhi's tenets of non-violence towards
you. Peace, mate.